Patriot Confederation with Jeff Taverner

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Every Patriot has an obligation to question authority. Those who
are honest are not concerned with your watchful vigilance, and
those with integrity are not concerned with your discernment. Every
American is obligated to voice their concerns and stand up
for their freedoms and liberties.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
One nation on.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Your God invisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ladies and gentlemen. We are the men in the arena.
We are the Patriot Confederation.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
We will never back down from bye. We're unfreed Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
All right, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Patriot Confederation for
the sixteenth of June twenty twenty six. I'm your host,
Mad Billy out of Twin Falls, Idaho, joined as always
by John Grovenor out of nashe in New Hampshire, New England.
How's it going up there in the northeast?

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Brother, it's going you know, Sam Old same o' here, Billy,
as it is every week. Nearly dodged a bill though
they wanted to create a bill to define what our
arms are for, so that we would have an understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's not just firearms.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
The problem is, isn't that like limiting you if they
decide that it's edge weapons and mace or pepper spray
or whatever, and firearms of various sorts. Isn't that kind
of restricting your rights instead of expanding on them.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Oh boy, we'll we'll be talking about some of that
this episode too, for sure. I want to welcome Jeff Taverner,
the host of the Gunslingers radio show. Yeah, you're down
there in southern California, beautiful area. I bet the political
landscape is quite ugly. Thank you very much for joining us.

(02:12):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh you bet, I'm doing doing fine, Just busy, busy.
You know. We just had a big old auction and everybody,
you know, always wants their stuff yesterday, and we're not Amazon,
so we can't overnight everything. But cruising right along.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yes, yes, so I all right to let's get started.
Let's you know, before we get into the political aspect
of things, that you have these auctions like what every
two weeks or so, and now.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
We do them about every three months, and it really
depends because you know, to get seven and fifty guns
takes a bit, and then you know, there's it's not
just a matter of getting the guns, we have to
describe them. Got to take pictures and you know, get
them all on the computer, and you know, fifteen times
you got to go through and make sure that all
the spellings are correct and so on and so forth.

(03:05):
So it takes a little bit of time, so we
do them every three four months.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Interesting. You know the other show that I do on Mondays. Yesterday,
I had a lot of people commented because it was
the first time I actually played this particular intro for
the show. And I've got footage of me firing a
couple of a couple of muskets, one one from the
Revolutionary War and another from the Civil War. And then

(03:34):
but the one that always gets the most the reactions
is me firing that thirty odd six m grand.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, yeah, it's a sexy gun. I mean everything from
World War two has got you know, it's just got
an aura.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yes, it was kind of funny when I was firing
that too, because I was firing at some plastic bottles
that weren't wa way down and I hit them. They
and when I'm midway through the magazine and the bottles
just fall off into the end of the tall grass behind,

(04:13):
so all lost my targets right there in the middle
of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but oh man, that day, Yeah,
I was firing those guns. It was so much fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
We were out with I have an O three A
four that's the you know, bolt Action thirty six World
War two military sniper version, and somebody brought a bunch
of veggies and fruit to shoot at for some reason,
and they threw an onion out and at about eighty yards,
I bear down on that dude and I hit it,

(04:47):
and it was just it was there and it was gone,
and everybody's like, what happened to it? So we walked out. Well,
it went up into the vaporized into the air, and
every one of us got nailed with onion gas us
in our face, six or seven guys standing and going,
oh onion to shoot. Let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'll tell you what though. It's ironic that you brought
that up, because that's what I got my first year
with was a World War two bolt Action thirty six
with peep sites.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, and I had one of I don't I can't
remember what you call one of those things that you
lift up there for elevation, you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Rear sight?

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
The little did you talk about the rear sight in
the back.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
No, no, though it's a it's some more to the
front right there. You just you've seen it, and I
don't know if you ever watched uh Lonesome Dove was
a good one there where Robert Robert Duvall had had
to kill it, kill his horse.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
And a laddered rear sight. Yeah, it goes up and down. Yeah,
that's a laddered rear sight that is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, occasionally we get a hiss that causes really bad echoing.
So sorry, no, no, it's not your fault.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, and I love Lonesome Dove, but he's that was
supposed to be an actual Henry rifle and a forty
four you know, rim fire Henry that what that was
supposed to be a couple of hundred yards. It's gonna
leave a good well. I don't think there's gonna be
enough enough energy left in that in that round to

(06:40):
penetrate anybody.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
So yeah, i'll tell you what though my uh my
twelve gage, I can't remember what model it is, and
it's still fairly new, but that thing will take your
shoulder out, and I thinking it's got I can handle
some recoil, but that's got just too much, and I
think I'm gonna trade it in, you know, and from

(07:05):
what I understand here, this bad boy right here, this
is a generation too. It's not people in your state.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
No longer legal in California. Yeah, we can still sell
them on consignment where people can buy and sell amongst
each other and come in and I have to do
the paperwork. We don't have the you know, so called
gun show loophole out here in California. Everything has to
go begun through a dealer, so, you know, kind of
like telling Toyota listen. You know, Honda can sell the

(07:38):
selica and you can do the paperwork, but you can't
buy it and resell it.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
John. I think I think you told me when you're
out to driving truck that, oh know you often carry too.
What do you what do you normally carry?

Speaker 5 (07:56):
I don't carry it in my truck, but I just
drive through Massachusets some back. I'm not It's not like
I'm going to Boston or anything or any place I
think I really need one. Well, you could always use one,
right but over the road. I never did carry, but
I do own a forty col Springfield Armory forty cow
and a six oyer nine millimeter. Yes, I don't have

(08:20):
a whole lot of guns.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
I've got less than ten guns in my arsenal. And
since my wife had a stroke almost ten years ago,
it's really weakened her hands so she can't handle recoil.
So I had to get her the basic twenty two
long rifle pistol.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, they for.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Practice targets, up target practice and close range or something.
It can do some penetration if you absolutely need it
for defense.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
The little Walter P twenty two is a fantastic little gun.
I like those a lot, real easy to work, the slide,
and I believe it or not, more people get killed
with a twenty two every year than any other round.
People don't realize, you know, it's a very small but
very fast moving projectile. So it enters and it bounces
like a pinball, you know, and it can do a

(09:09):
whole lot of damage in a real, real hurry.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yes, oh, with without a doubt, without a doubt. Then again,
you know a long range our note that's.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
A different story. That's just going to make somebody angry.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, I know of I know of a man who
was he was shot. He's had a good layer of
fat on him. He was shot in the stomach with
a thirty eight Special and it didn't seem to phase
him and said, he just said, now you pissed me off,
and he beat he almost beat the guy to death.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I believe it. Uh three eighty thirty two auto twenty
five ACP. All of these have the same faults, you know,
depending on what you're shooting. And you can leave a
well just enough to get somebody real angry at you.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Oh, without a doubt, yes, oh man so uh oh no.
I remember when I lived in California when I was
just a teenager. In fact, I left when I was
shortly after I turned sixteen. I was there for about
three years with family because you know, they were there

(10:24):
because my aunt, who I was living with, she was
assigned a job with the FD I see in San
Jose and then but we lived probably a good hour
away from there, in between Stockton, Modesto, Okay, And you
remember back back then there's I don't remember hearing about laws,

(10:47):
but I remember that school shooting in Stockton and then
Toxic That's when I first first time in my life
I heard talks about gun control. And then you know,
my aunt who's obvious lee left leaning, you know, tried
tried to tell me that gun control is a good idea.
Where my grandfather, on the other hand, was you know,

(11:09):
he was a member of the NRA, a pro Second Amendment.
And I listened to her, and I listened to him,
and I got and he did. His argument just seemed
to make more sense, and I told him that next thing,
you know, I've got an I've got an NRA membership
in the mail that I didn't act or I didn't
pay for it whatever. Just but oh, my aunt was mad.

(11:32):
Well she knew who did it.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I could imagine.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yes, yeah, but uh, oh no, when when did do
you think they I think they talked about it for
a for a very long time, even before I moved there.
But uh, how long was it that they really started
putting uh gun control into motion.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Putting the screws. It was kind of later eighties and
then into the nineties it started getting really bad. At
one point, you know, we have a ten day weight
on everything here, but at one point it was twenty
one days in the early nineties, and then they backed
it down to fifteen days, and then they said, well,
twenty one days per handgun and just ten guns or

(12:18):
ten days for long guns. And then he said, well,
you know, ten days, and let's just stick with ten days.
And then we had a federal judge say, you can't
do that. You know, all they have to do is
pass that background and everywhere else. You can get that
done in thirty minutes, and the state put a stay
on it. And that's the end of that. That's just
been languishing in you know, lawyerville for the last ten

(12:42):
years now, I think. And as far as you know,
assault weapons bands and all that. That came when we
got a guy named Gray Davis who was just I
can't say the worst governor we've ever had, because you know,
we've got Gavin Newsom, but he would be right up there.
And I mean this guy was milk toasty and he

(13:03):
just anything in his desk. He just signed, and he
gave us the you know, the assault weapons band, the
so called handgun roster, which any hand got to be
sold to the State of California manufacturer must have been
three guns of each color, dight and barrel like for testing,
paying extortion fee to the Department of Justice, and then
it's good for a year and then they have to
do it all over again. So yeah, I think I've

(13:24):
said that more than once. You know, so all of
that stuff really started real heavy in two thousand.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yes, Well, we're at the first quarter, so that means
we're going to take our first break and we'll be
back and continue this conversation in about a minute and
a half. Well, all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
And unlike Jeff's Joe, I don't have the cool bumper music.

(13:54):
I mean, he seems to pick some of the best
oldies to go in and out of with his.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, like I said, you know, I was a musician
for a long time, so in your fifties and sixties
really kind of what I grew up on.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
So yeah, well I grew up on a lot of
that too, And I don't know, music has changed a lot.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff that I do like,
but the most modern is that I enjoys probably early
two thousands. Anything after that, I don't what the hell happened.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I think they literally just ran out of melody.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean it's like if I hear something like Billy Eilish,
whatever her name is, there's like there's no magic to it.
You know, I.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Don't know who that is.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
That's a good thing. Now, I think it's sad that
I do know who that is. Well, the reason why
I know that is because she pops up on my
news feed because she's always got something stupid to say
about Trump or climate change or whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah. Well, the left throws everything at us, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
You know that all too well where you're at.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, and you know, it's it's really funny because all
these people, you know, they want to be stone cold socialists,
all these Hollywood people, and what they never get until
it's always too late is the fact that once they
get socialism, socialist governments don't like competitions. So you know
what they do to people that are influencing Yeah, yeah,

(15:52):
you know, in the old Roman days, they would just
knock on your door, kill you, take all your stuff,
and you'd be gone. Well, we can't do that per
se anymore. So they'll still take all your stuff and
they'll just throw you in some kind of goolog and
you know, I can't. Robert de Niro is a perfect example.
Here's a knucklehead who runs around saying all this stupid
stuff because he can't. Once we're a socialist country. You

(16:14):
can't say that anymore. You can't say anything. And so
where's the Robert de Niro from Russia? You know where
you know? And I brought this up on my show
a couple of weeks ago, and somebody said, well, Jackie Chan, Well,
Jackie Chan grew up in England, owned Hong Kong. Not

(16:38):
exactly hardcore, you know, communist China number one and number two.
He made movies over there, sure, but they were in
Hong Kong. And when he finally became famous, it was
from making the Rush Hour movies I think they're called,
and those were done here in the USA.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, no, Oh.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You're gonna look real interesting in stripes.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'll tell you what though I can't. I mean, how
you can stay there where you're at is beyond me.
But I appreciate you holding the line.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, there's three reasons. Number one it everybody will tell
you the same. It's the weather. You just, no matter what,
you can't beat the weather. It was eighty eight degrees
out today, you know, that's that's a good portion of
our summer. And then you know in the winter it
drops into the seventies.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Oh yeah, I've lived out there, I know.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And the second reason is there's so many gunshops have
left that I'm practically the loan survivor. Everybody brings their
stuff to me the market, yeah, you know. And if
I move to you know, Arizona, well every you know,
swing and you know what, and and his brother has

(18:00):
got a gun shop in Arizona hour or Nevada or Texas.
I mean, you can't swing a dead cat without it
hitting one in those three states because they've all bailed
out of here and went there. Well, I'm still here.
And the third reason is because I'm just too old
and stubborn to give up. I'm just going to fight
it till, you know, kicking and screaming until they finally

(18:22):
take me out of here.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
So what are the laws like in California? You go
to Arizona or Nevada and they bring state and then
bring it back into California.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Do they have restriction?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Oh yeah, you can't. There's very well if both action
rifles and stuff like that you can kind of maybe
bring in, don't bringing them in yourself. You're supposed to
from dealer to dealer and then do the paperwork here.
Anything that you bring in the Department of Justice wants

(18:56):
you to notify them, and they will go through and
tell you, yes, you can have this, No you can't
have this, and so on and so forth, and handguns.
It's almost forget about it across the board because I
remember I brought up that roster thing. You know, you
want to sell your gun in California, you pay an
extortion fee and it goes on a roster. If you
made a two inch revolver in blue and stainless, and

(19:19):
you made it in two inch, four inch and six
inch each one of those, even though it's the same
exact action, you have to get tested and you get
it's like five thousand dollars per gun, and you have
to give them three guns and they have to drop
them from six feet and it has to shoot up
like a thousand rounds in a row without jamming or
something that really stupid. And there's like one guy in

(19:42):
a whole state that does this testing. So you know
it's it's.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
So he corners of the market too. Hence the well
you remember the first Terminator movie, Oh yeah, that the
gun chop scene. And remember what the store owner said,
I get to go home early today. You can take
the rifles home, but there's a waiting there's a waiting

(20:08):
period on the handguns.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Used to be like that, yeah, And it went from
that to seeing our long guns only it's curio and
relic long guns like World War two Krans and stuff anything.
I think it's fifty years and older as a CNR.
And then you had to fill out of forty four
to seventy three. That's the federal form that we all
have to fill out. But you used to be able

(20:32):
to take those home right now and then for ever
in a day. If you bought fifteen rifles off of me,
we just had to put the number, you know, how
many did you buy? Fifteen? And they did a background
check on you, but they didn't check the guns now
across the board ten day weight no matter what. And
everything gets registered by make, model, serial number, caliber, barrels, length,

(20:54):
the whole kit and kaboule wow. Yeah yeah, so paperwork
heres socks.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I mean when I buy guns here in Idaho, I mean, yeah,
there's it's about an hour I have to plan on
being in the store. But I've taken everything home for
my pistols, my my rifles, my shotgun. Well that glock.
I showed you I bought from a friend of mine
and filled out a bill of sale.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, that's the so called gun show loophole. In most
states it's it's perfectly fine. But in California that is
us for Bolton.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, well I I probably I could have ended up
in jail big time. About three years ago because my
family and I we decided to drive across country. Uh,
you know, go to Ohio where I used to live,
and in some areas of Pennsylvania, and all the way

(21:51):
into New York to Niagara Falls. And yes, I carried
New York and I'm glad I did because Buffalo was
was creepy. I didn't go to New York City, and
nor will I. But we only went as far as
Niagara Falls and then went back to Pennsylvania. But I
told my wife before we leave the state of Iowa,

(22:15):
we're going to gass up in Iowa and we're not
gonna have to gas up again until we get to
Indiana or Ohio. Oh no, we got to stop in Chicago.
There's the Shameless House. Oh I was mad. Yeah, So
we find the Shameless House and it's in a city

(22:36):
part of town, and I said you know what, I
don't care about their unconstitutional laws. I'm gonna protect my
family at all costs. I can get out of jail,
I can't get out of the grave.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah. Well it's thee old story. Better to be judged
by twelve than carried by six.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, well, nothing happened, but where I was really really
mad about that particular day. If we would have stayed
on course and not stopped in Chicago, we would have
made it to Eerie, Pa uh in time for me
to get to the Trump rally. But we got We
got stuck in Chicago traffic and was there for almost

(23:18):
three hours and I missed the rally.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Was that all? Well, you'll use it pray too, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know in So cal three hour drive that's just
you know, going to the market and back.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah. Oh man, well California has always been that way
about traffic. And then of course I had a friend
of mine who tended to not use the accelerator too
much in his car and he got pulled over by
a cop and said, uh, he didn't ride him a ticket,
He just told him keep up with the flow of traffic.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, that was outside of a saccer Meno.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, that's different parts of California. Outside of Sacramento, you
believe it or not, California has lots of red areas. Yeah,
we get we get bullied down by the by the
LA's and the San Francisco's and stuff, you know. I mean,

(24:21):
I don't know if you've seen the videos where they
went in and talked to a bunch of homeless people
and they were paying people five and ten dollars to
vote and.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
You know, so yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's all in the big blue areas La San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, we got to go to our next break in
a moment. But I'll tell you really quick. Is I
mentioned I lived in Vegas. Well, I had only been
there two weeks when somebody approached me and asked me
if I was registered to vote because I was job hunting.
And I said no, I've just barely been here for
two weeks. I'm sleeping on a friend of mine's couch

(24:58):
and I'm out looking for a job. And said that
doesn't matter. You got American ID, right, and I had
Tennessee Ida, And like, okay, I registered to vote when
I shouldn't have. I mean, I took the chance and
then of course I stayed registered after I left, is
what I found out. Yes, and then I start I'm

(25:18):
trying to find out still, did I did I cast
a vote for Joe Biden when I voted for Trump?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Right?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Not just one vote, billy vote.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Ultiple, your great great grandfather and your great great great grandfather.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, well votes when they need him, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Kind of think of it this way, If it's that
easy to vote, say to register to vote in Las Vegas, Uh,
you're not too far from Los Angeles or Orange County,
you know, So say you can wake up that morning
and uh, you know, you can go you cast your
vote there in the state of California or Arizona, wherever

(26:04):
you're at. And then I'm going to do a little
gambling in Vegasy, and you know, if you're register your
vote again.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
That is problematic. They've talked about that here in New England.
People come to people who live in Massachusetts but have
say a lake house in New Hampshire, so they feel
they have the right to vote in New Hampshire too
because they have a vacation home. And so the voting
in both places. I don't know if they're coming up
from Massachusetts after voting in a federal election of voting

(26:32):
in New Hampshire too, I think they have, which is
definitely a violation of federal law.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, but here we are at the bottom of the
hour and we're going to take our bottom of the
hour break and continue this conversation when we come back
in about two minutes. All right, ladies and gentlemen are back.
That last commercial there, John, do you recognize that voice?

Speaker 5 (27:00):
No, I can't think I have.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
That was New Hampshire's own Matt Connerton, who did the
voice work on that one for me?

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Oh you kidd.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah. But by the way, uh oh no, Jeff, if
you've heard of AMMO squared, but uh okay, yeah, So
it's very interesting. You go, you go to the website
there and if you sign up under my code, I
get twenty dollars. But uh what you what you do is,
uh say you want to pay I pay fifteen dollars

(27:31):
a month and choose whatever calibers you want and uh, oh,
you know, you get such amount every month and uh
when you whenever you want some, you you're ready to
cash out. You know. It's like an ammunition bank.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Wow, sounds like a heck of an idea. But you know,
in California, we have a law that forbids people from
buying AMMO on their own because you have to do
a background check to get.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
All right.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I'm not kidding you. You want to buy a
box of twenty two's, you have to come in and
do a background check. And that's yeah Newsom's own bill.
He wrote it, got it push through, that's his baby.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
You know, I'm sitting there looking at I'm wondering how
hard is it to build your own weapon, make a
homemade weapon, And a lot of people probably got the
engineering skills to do it. I mean, if you understand
metallurgy and the importance of a barrel that can with
stand the blast and up blow your brain of eyes
out by destroying your barrel in front of your face.
But I'm sitting there at a hardware store looking at

(28:43):
those little nail guns, you know, those twenty two powered
I think it doesn't make great primers for bigger ammunition.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Guns For a reason. You know, they still kind of
like a you know, rubber band guy and you pull
back and with a nail get the primer.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
We used to call old zip guns single shot guns.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Well you know why in prison. Now, if you go
to jail or prison, they give you a toothbrush that's
about the length of a toothpick.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, so you can't it into a shank.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, exactly, you know. But still they're gonna find even
those in prison, they found they're not allowed to have liquor.
Oh they know, they know how to ferment fruit and
put it in the toilet and make it open enough
to get drunk off of.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
They've got the resources. Yep, the experience. Oh, I'll just
keep my freedom, thank you.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah. Oh no, I don't have any plans to go
into prison.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
No, you know.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
I do want to touch on your election, your your
primaries that you just had. Oh my goodness, the rat race.
I knew it was going to be. But if I'm
not mistaken, you have jungle primary rank choice voting right.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, what that means is the top two vote getters
be it, you know, either side. So usually we get
stuck with, you know, a leftist and a leftist, but
this time we got stuck with a leftist and I
don't know about Steve Hilton.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I don't I know. And you know what my organization
actually endorsed Chad Bianco.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Busted me and my show.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, but I don't know. Sheriff Richard Mack is somebody
that I listen. I listened to when he says something,
you know, I don't discard what he says, but he's
he refused to endorse Chad and he said there's some
some serious skeletons in his closet.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
So so I don't know. I know Chad personally, He's
always been a real straight shooter. When I would have
him on my show, which will probably get him back
now that he's not running anymore. Uh, when we have
him on a show, I'd always ask him, do you
have anything you want to talk about? Or you know,
is there any questions you don't he'd always said no,

(31:17):
give it to me.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
He never had.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
And I asked him about all you know, that stupid
kneeling thing. I asked him and he explained that, and
it's like, what are people getting upset about? I mean,
you know this is this is a non sequitur, you know,
a nothing burger as they call it. And then the
other thing was his oath keeper, and you know the
original intent of the oath keepers. I couldn't agree more

(31:44):
and you know when it started getting a little sideways,
he bailed out. Well you know what, you know, lots
of people in an organization that started off good that
you forget about it. So you know, I didn't see
any problem with him. I don't know your uh Sheriff Mac,

(32:05):
but you know he knows something about him that I
don't because he's always been a straight shooter of.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Me, oh with without a doubt. And I'm also there's
somebody I know right here in Twin Falls that uh
uh live that lived in in the county of course,
that where he's sheriffs and she knows him pretty well
and had nothing but good things to say about you know.

(32:32):
But then again, at the end of the day, everybody's
got some little skelet in their in their closet. But
but you know, Sheriff Mac, he runs the uh uh
man c s p O. Uh yeah man, I forgot
what the acronym stands for. But basically he was the

(32:53):
one that really reminded me that, you know, they hire
police officers and sheriff's deputies, but the sheriff is elected
by the people.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, and he gets elected every every couple of years
by a huge marchin. I live in Riverside County where
he is the sheriff, and I got no complaints.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, yes, indeed, I want to ask you to you
have you heard much talk give him much thought about
the New California project.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
M tell me what that is.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Okay. So there's some people that want to separate basically
Sacramento all the way down to Los Angeles and that
that'd be California, and of course from why Reka to
San Diego would be New California where they you know,
pretty much love it.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I would love it. Yeah, and you know what, wait
the start building fences there, I would. I would as
long as I'm in New California and away from that,
I got no problem with it.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, I i'd uh like to bring up the map,
but yeah, I think, yeah, it stretches basically like from
from the Redwoods down to to San Diego on that side.
But they take Sacramento and go go west, take and
uh from Sacramento, San Francisco and down to Los Angeles.

(34:28):
That'd be New or Old California.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Bring it, you know. I'd like to be on this
side of the iron curtain, you know, because right now
it's the whole state is behind the Iron curtain.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a new California coalition.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Hey, maybe Chad could be governor of that. Let's let's go.
I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Well, they're they're talking about having Porsche of Oregon and
Washington uh merge into Idaho, the western part, and I
I'm against that idea. I think if they they they
should just become new states. If they want to do that, Yeah,
I really want to. I want to keep Idaho the
way it is.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I don't blame you. We used to. My band used
to have an account there and we would go there
a couple of times a year or two Sun Valley
and I always always enjoyed going there.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
So that's our liberal armpit. Mind you, it's understanding.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
This is thirty five years ago, so it was. It
wasn't then.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Uh yeah, ever since uh Bill Clinton? Uh yeah. Bill
Clinton was the first Democrat and I don't know how
long to win that county, but then it's been Democrats
ever since then that have won Blaine County.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Well, but the last Democrat to win the state of
Idaho was LBJ.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
That was a while back.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yes, yes, indeed, no, but I think one thing California
that would help. I mentioned the rank choice voting. I
mean there was a petition on our ballot to have
it here. Proposition one is what it was called. Oh,
we got voted down, except it passed in Sun Valley

(36:28):
mind you.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, when we got stuck with this, we had you know,
the governator, and he was dead set against it. And he,
you know, he thought, well, I'm Arnold, I could just
say don't do this and people will follow me. He
came up against the Democrat machine and all the money,
and he got blow out of the water.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
The only thing that kind of irritated me about him
was about four years ago when he said screw your
freedom and take the jab. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, hid as governor, let's see, he illegalized the Barrett
fifty or any fifty BMG rifle in California, even though
you know there's never been one used in a crime.
He also signed in the so called micro stamping bill.

(37:26):
This is where you had to put the serial number
of the firearm on the face of a firing pin.
At the time and to this day, nobody's been able
to do it. And he actually said, I know it's
got work, but I'm going to sign it. Anyhow, that

(37:46):
sounds very Democrat to me.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah. Well, and also remember Trump's first term, he he
banned the bump stocks.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah yeah, well, you know, have you ever tried one
of those things?

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I can't recall, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So. I tried one back when they very first came out,
and everybody's oh yeah, I couldn't get this thing to work,
to save my life. And I was there for an
hour and the guy that had it, that brought it
out to let us try it, I think he got
two rounds out of it, you know, pump pump, and
that was it. And so I ain't buying it, you know,

(38:28):
if you're talking about that Vegas the bump you know,
because that's what kind of the man. I don't buy it.
I just having shot one of those for a while.
And keep in mind, when I'm getting ready for a
major match, I'm going anywhere two to five thousand rounds
a week, you know, in practice for a major match

(38:49):
that I'm shooting in. And so I'm fairly you know,
up on shooting stuff, and I couldn't get that thing
to work at all. So my good some you know
civilian guy who doesn't really shoot much, you know, can
make it work, you know, amazingly all things thinks to

(39:09):
high heaven.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
I think I shot a couple of handguns that didn't
need a bump stock this trigger.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, yeah, bad series will do that.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, yes, Oh my goodness. Time has flown by, as
they always do when we have these conversations. So we're
gonna go ahead and take our final break, and when
we come back, I want to talk a little bit
more about these auctions here that Jeff has because they
sound like a lot of fun. So with that said,

(39:36):
we'll be back in about a minute and a half. Yes, indeed,
Red Pill Expo, Las Vegas, July eleventh and twelfth. I
can't wait. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm
gonna be there, and if you cannot make it by
all means, you can stream it for free online. Yes, sir,

(39:57):
you know somebody else who lives down in your neck
of the woods, and I I often said, you know,
I don't know how he can stay where he's at,
but he g Edward Griffin. I don't know if you
know who he is. Yeah, he's in his nineties, but
he gave he gave some a very impressive speech about

(40:19):
communism back in nineteen sixty nine, and if you can
find you can find it easily on YouTube. It's called
more Deadly than War and everything he was talking about
back then, you know, I mean it's an Astrodamis video basically. Yeah,
and yeah, he stayed his house. He almost had to

(40:41):
evacuate his house last year because he wasn't too far
from the fires.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, we've had a bunch of folks bring in stuff
from auction that barely got rescued because they had a
fire safe in the house. Yeah, but yeah, that wasn't
very far from our shop here in Orange.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean I've I've been. I've
actually spent some significant time in Orange County myself. And
it's actually, when you think about it, it's one of
the more conservative areas of California. Even along the map
it's blue, but there's more conservative people there. And you

(41:20):
think probably in Los Angeles too, there's more conservatives. They
just probably afraid to say something, you know, as they say,
the silent majority.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yep, And that's what's killing us. We're all to use
to just you know, going along and getting along instead
of standing up for our rights. And man, they are
mowing our rights down.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know California and New York
or Petri Dishes. You know, it's it's coming for everywhere,
you know that. I mean, if do you know who
Mark Walters is armed American Radio? You heard that name before.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I've heard it, but yeah, I believe it. Or I
have my own show and I rarely get time to listen.
You know you mentioned my auction. I mean it's a
it's like another kid. I mean, it's a twenty four
hour a day deal. Yeah, I'm constantly constantly, you know,
I get Mondays off and this Monday I picked up
a collection, dropped it off here at the store, then

(42:21):
went and picked up a second collection. So yeah, I
don't have a whole lot of spare time.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, well real quick. You know, Mark Walters has been
advising people to join the Second Amendment Organization in Virginia,
even if you don't live there, you know, And I
forgot what it's called, but it's like it's twenty five
dollars a year, and I think I'm going to sign
up because Virginia is in a lot of trouble. Yeah,

(42:50):
but he's also advising people to join the one in
Arizona as well. I'm like, you know, that's supposed to
be the most gunly, gun friend state in the Union,
and of course they got their politicians and looking to
change the landscape on that.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well, you know, if I can get a plug in
for somebody. The CRPA at California Rifle and Pistol Association, please, yes,
it's the oldest gun advocate group in the United States,
is one hundred and fifty years old. And let me
tell you, liberalism is a it's a mental disease. And
you know, it starts here, and it starts in New York,

(43:31):
and it spreads outwards. So many of these bills and
laws that you're hearing that you just go, where did
that come from? Came from right here. And you know
the eleven percent excise tax that started here in California
that's spread out to six or seven states.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
The CRPA has been fighting that. We just got a
judge to say that you can't do that. It's not
been overturned yet, but he's already mentioned that he's going
to allow gun dealers to sue the state to get
those people's taxes back. Yeah. So yeah, and we wouldn't

(44:08):
have this we went for the CRPA.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
So absolutely absolutely, I'll look that up too. Yes, these
auctions that you have here yet, I mean that's basically
the main topic of discussion on your show is the auctions.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
It's a good part. I mean my show. I started
it off. If you've ever heard of Leon the Motorman,
he was a staple out here in LA for forty
four years. He was on a station out here, and
his show was he talked about cars. People called in him,
ask him questions and that show. And you know, Leon

(44:45):
is into his eighties now and he's retired. But I
wanted to do a show like Leon, fun with guns
and no politics. And you know, here we are seven
years later, and people have responded to it. We are
on from San Diego to San Francisco, from LA to
Phoenix to Vegas now, and you know, we're they're they're
estimating somewhere between a quarter and half a million listeners

(45:08):
every Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
So yeah, of course I replay it on my station,
the AOW Radio Network, and.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I appreciate that, thank you.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Absolutely. It's uh, it's an awesome show. I mean the
humor in it too, I mean, you got you guys.
I mean Yeah, there's no escaping the political discussions unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, but I try and keep it light because I'm
not Sean Hannity or Rush Limball. Those guys are way
up on that stuff. But you know, I can go
toe to toe with just about anybody when it comes
to gun stuff.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
So exactly, exactly like I said, you know, I appreciate
you staying where you're at and and towing the line,
you know, with it, and and showing the people down
there why the Second Amendment was put in place to
begin with.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, it wasn't for hunting, it was it was because
we just finished fighting, you know, a king that wanted
us to give everything to him, and you know, it
was to protect us from a psychotic government, which.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Is you know, well government saying that too. You know,
in communist countries like China they have hunting, and uh
you know other other places they have hunting. You know.
So Japan, even though they're they're a bit more free
market capitalists, they still have very strict gun control laws

(46:36):
and pretty much the only uh way you can have
a gun is for hunting there in Japan.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, I had we had an incident out here in
La twenty years ago where a guy hired a lawyer
and the lawyer didn't do a good job and he
chased him around a tree with a little thirty eight
short barrel revolver and it went viral and it was
a big deal, and I Japanese news crew come into
my shop to interview me about that. And some of

(47:06):
those people they were aged maybe twenty five to seventy five,
and most of them had never seen a firearm, so
they walked in just like really interesting to see, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, so what's that, John has? It looked like an
armory to them.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oh yeah, big time. Yeah, they were really nervous. Let's
just put it that away.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
So and you don't have to be there in person
to participate in these auctions, if I'm correct.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Correct. Yeah, you can bid. You can call us, we
can put you in as a seal better, you can
be a phone better. You can bid on We have
three different proxy bid, invaluable and high bid systems that
you can bid through. We take bids literally from South
Africa to Alaska, so you know, we get bid. I've
got customers all over Europe bid from US, and uh yeah,

(48:02):
people from everywhere. The only place, oddly enough, The only
place I've never sent a gun is Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I'm not surprised. I think their gun laws are worse
than yours.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
They very well could be. And and and so yeah,
we've but I've sent them to New York. Now that
he's gone, I can mention his name. But James Earl
Jones used to be one of my best customers.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, just the sweetest man in the world, A really,
really great guy and a huge gun night.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So let me let me ask you this, because John
and I we're both in constitutional carry states. How much
difference do you think it would make in the state
of California if you went to constitutional carry?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well, the Department of Justice says that about a million
people a year save themselves with a firearm, and they
estimate that three million people don't report it. So could
you imagine, especially in places like Oakland, if you could. Yeah,

(49:09):
you know, you guys know of in and out. I
mean everybody's heard of in and out. Now do you
know that the only place in the entire world that
an in and out has closed was Oakland.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Because they didn't know.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
They're to protect the people, they're they're the customers and
the employees. They couldn't protect them good enough, so in
and out pulled stakes and left.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Well remember that incident about four years ago in uh Indiana.
It was it was very shortly after Uvalde, Texas. That
guy went into the mall with a couple of ars,
had a bunch of magazines, and he was ready to
he was ready to do something. But little did he
know there was a kid in there who was licensed

(49:53):
to carry concealed and very well trained and yep, and
just unloaded his man magazine in his chest and that
was the end of it. Sadly, still, two other innocent
people got killed, but that that guy prevented a mass
shooting and that was a and that was a gun
free zone. Well I don't think they're a gun free
zone after that.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, no such thing. You know, A firearm is an
inadabate object. It's the black heart and the and the
sick brain that causes the problem.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yes, you noticed, they're not trying to take cars away
from people.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
No, And cars and doctors kill more people every year
than firearms. Yep.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Yeah, you know. Also, John, you know I just recently
watched I'll throw this out there real quick. I just
recently watched a short series on Netflix's it's called uh
I think it's called kill Killed by Lightning, I can't
Death by Lightning, And it's about President James Garfield. Of course,
we we know he was the second president to ever

(50:58):
get assassinated, but very few people know that it wasn't
the bullet that killed him. He No, he died a
month later after being shot because the doctors used unsanitized
utensils to treat him, so he had have blood poisoning
and sepsis.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
But a lot of people think the same thing with
Abraham Lincoln because so many people kept stucking their fingers
in a hole in the back of his head. They
think that he very well could have survived had people
left him alone.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, Now, James Garfield would have definitely survived if he
was shot today.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
But yeah, just had to throw that out there real quick.
And also, you watch that and you'll see that obviously
there's division within the Republican Party back then too, So
it's older than we think.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, well around for way too long.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yes. Yeah, and Garfield, mind you was the only president
Republican president to be assassinated by another Republican because he thought, Yeah,
Charles Gito thought that he was killing the Republican Party
and wanted to do something to save it.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Anyway, we are out of time. It's been a real
pleasure speaking with you, Jeff. And when is the next
auction and how can people look you up?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well you can go to Gunslinger Auctions Gunslinger Auctions dot com.
That's real simple. My next auction is September nineteenth. And
of course, if you have iHeartRadio on your phone seven
pm to nine pm Pacific every Sunday night on k
r LA eight seventy is my show and you can

(52:46):
everything you want to know, you can hear, you can
catch on that.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I like your commercial too, that's Gunslinger Auctions dot dot com.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
You know, I did that really quick because the very
first commercial day ever made me do They kept making
me say it, you know, go to Gunslinger Auctions dot
com for more information, go to Gunslinger Auctions dot com.
And but go to Gonstlinger Auctions No no, no dot com.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Yeah, oh on tap for next next week. By the way,
you mentioned sun Valley, Well we're gonna be welcoming back.
Brian Hyde. I know you're you like talking to him, John,
but that's the that's the area of Idaho that he's
running for Senate, so we're gonna talk to him about that.
Uh Jeff. Once again, it was a great pleasure talking

(53:35):
to you. God bless and take care.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Thank you, sir, let's say you bet.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
And ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for tuning
in to Patriot Confederation. God save the Republic of the
United States of America.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
We will live.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
From bank.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
We're unna feeding