Rise For liberty with Dr. Dan Stock

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
It is in vain to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may
cry peace, peace, but there is no peace. The war
is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the
north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms.

(00:28):
Our brethren are already in the field. Why stan we
hear idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would
they have?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
This life so dear, or peace so sweet as to
be purchased at the price of chains and slavery.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Forbid it, Almighty God know what.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Course others may take.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
But as for me, give me liberty, oh give me death.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Give me liberty or give me death.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You can't wrong your mouth. I want to be to plead.
I'm a man from the South. You best listen to
what I'm saying. Damn social media, keep what warriors. I
have no conviction A matter as hell with their insufficion implication.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
We aren't cutting from the same cloth.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Most lack ambition, tres henry set at best, Give me
a little booted or give me.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
We aren't let the rest like you're already. Then give
up in the same breath.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
We have no time for a week. Man who have
stepped for free. You see you want to go, I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Go tall the tall I'm fast just like this most fine.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
Let me frightening a fight, life, a freak that you
in the middle of. Next week Patrick.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
And reset it best give me the good.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Or give me death.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
We aren't playing with the rest. Talk like you're already,
then give up in the same breath about watch you

(02:54):
fight your cage like a hamster on a week you
talk can tire with rage? You talk about operation in
mocking the bird.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
No realization. Social media is the new Siah. You're a
foot soldier for the puppet masters. You either want it
or you don't.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
I know not what.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Course others may take.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
But as for me, give me liberty or give me death.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
All right, Hello everybody, and welcome to Rise for Liberty.
Your host John groven or Shaw Mitchell. Today we got
with us doctor Dan Stock, director of the CCLA. Hi, Dan,
how you doing good?

Speaker 7 (03:59):
Here? You got doing today?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Excellent?

Speaker 8 (04:01):
What is that?

Speaker 7 (04:05):
It's the Citizen's Coalition for Legislature Accountability. We are a
coalition of freedom minded groups who would like our legislatures
to be more frightened of us than they are from
the people who throw campaign cash and threaten them all
day long, and we like to stress that we think
most of the legislators they aren't getting rich being legislators.

(04:26):
They just get threatened all day long with being removed
from office if they don't do what they're told. And
we're trying to change the system so they don't have
to run scared of that anymore. And having a banner year,
I might add, is a better effect.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh nice, nice, sou Sean tells me that you had
some stuff on your mind that you'd like to talk
about tonight. What do we got going on here?

Speaker 7 (04:51):
Well? I think Sean is probably referring to the recent
whistleblower testimony in the Senate that, to my mind, revealed
almost nothing new. And then it came out and said, hey,
the United States government has got this well funded branch
between the Defense Department, the CIA, and Health and Human

(05:14):
Services that was basically using money to do things that
they could do maybe as a weapon, maybe as a
defense for a weapon, mostly so they could get a
lot of money and give it to people who are
trying to design these maybe weapons, maybe defenses for weapons,

(05:34):
and that that getting out of control is pretty much
what led to the COVID debacle that became the scam
that it was.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
And I have I do have one question, though, dam sure,
since all this came out, how fast did the Indianapolis
Star God come to you and have a have a
I'm sorry for what I said.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Interestingly, I've not heard from them.

Speaker 8 (06:08):
I mean, you know, the Indianapolis Star was all over
your ass and then the next thing, you know, now
the truths coming to lie. But no apology for the doctor.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Well you know, honestly, if they didn't apologize to me
and they just contributed to tearing down this god awful
government we have at the federal level, I'd accept at
it with grace, you know. I maybe maybe it's because
you know, my dad was a barber pilot World War Two,
and nobody's shot a flagshell through my plane yet, So

(06:41):
when somebody comes up and calls me dirty names, I'm like, yeah,
you're gonna have to do better than that. But you
want to just stop and fix the country, because if
you'll do that, I'll forget about this whole name calling thing.
I don't I don't sit around a lot of my
day waiting for the Indianapolis Star Star to come tell me, Hey, Dan,
we're sorry.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
Luckily, I know, I guess, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Yeah, Luckily, there's one guy at the Indianapolis Star who
has actually been helpful in spreading the word about freeing
our legislatures up from the threat of lobbyists. And so
I'm grateful for the fact that the Stars this happened.
The last nine months or so, I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna accept this. This is a good thing. But

(07:28):
this could almost make me go get an Indianapolis Star subscription,
but not yet. No.

Speaker 8 (07:36):
I just kind of wondered about that because I remember
reading quite a few hateful articles, and well, it seemed
like the doctor was right.

Speaker 7 (07:46):
You know, I guess what really bothered me as this
thing began to unfold. If you're a guy who believes
that following the money will let you follow the deceit,
it was pretty easy to see that this thing was
entirely Hey, somebody came up with this idea that, you know,
biological weapons would be useful. Maybe we ought to design

(08:08):
some defenses for him. And you know, we can't really
design defenses for him unless we design weapons so that
we can defend for them. And this has probably started
off mostly as a way we could get a lot
of money on the American taxpayer funneled into our accounts.
Former Senator Burr of North Carolina, I'm sure is rolling
in dough since he was the guy who proposed most
of the bills that allowed this nonsense to go on.

(08:32):
It would have been nice if all of the media
outlets would have done some research to follow the dollars
and said, hey, the way this thing is set up,
it's just destined to go out of control.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
Well, and that's what that's what John and I have
been saying for all these years on the trucking industry.
Just just follow the money trial, you'll find out, you
get your answers. Yeah, but nobody's but then all of
a sudden, John and I become terrorists.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
You know. It's everybody says, you know, this is just
a totally irrational behavior and the part of my government.
And I tell them, well, when you understand the financial incentives,
usually it's not irrational anymore. It's ugly, it's not very compassionate,
it's really dishonest, but it becomes rational. You can make
sense out of it. And you know, knowing the way
they had this whole COVID thing set up, which is

(09:18):
you know, it's one example, probably the most extreme, most
damaging example of legislatures just entirely selling out, you know,
to lobbyists for money. You know, this isn't the only
place they did it. You know, when we were talking
about these I think last time we were talking about
these false trucking schools that had come out. Yeah, because

(09:39):
I got to readable of those and the epic times
about oh, false trucking schools. But you know, we can
get money from the government to subsidize us for all
of this, and so we'll make some laws that make
it so we need to have false these U trucking schools.
And the next thing, you know, you got to place
the launder money through and some guys getting called and

(10:00):
it's like, yeah, you can see these things getting set up,
and it's like, yeah, this it had to end up
this way. Well, Minnesota and California gonna scam medicare and medicaid.
It's like, oh, yeah, you knew they were going to
do that. That's because there's absolutely no way to regulate
the system. So they're going to jump in a steel Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
Well, and I mean in defense here now, Sean Duffy
Ditch shut down five hundred and fifty dark driving schools. Yeah,
I'm sure there's more out there that need to be
taken care of, you know, And.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
I would certainly give Secretary Duffy a lot of props
for the fact that he did this. What I want
to look at is to the senator who set up
the law that made it possible for that debacle to
get rolling in the first place, because there was no
way that you couldn't see that this was going to
degenerate a scam and fraudulent activity unless you were wearing

(10:55):
financial blinders so that you were being paid not to
look at the thing unfolding. You know, there's just you know,
the there's kind of a we Neurobiologists like to think
of money as one of the things that's most impactful
on a brain, after temperature, starvation, oxygen, and food, all right,

(11:16):
And it's because you can use money to get all
those other things that it's got so much power. So
when somebody says, hey, you know, we want to educate
some truckers. But rather than let people qualify for it
and you know, let them get alone, get through and
then maybe we'll help you with the payment, you set
up a federal bureaucuracy. And the guy who has who's

(11:37):
going to get the training, has no control over the money,
no incentive to pay the money back. He's at no
risk if he doesn't do it or anything. It's like, oh,
this is going to degenerate into fraud. All of the
incentives are all set up for people to scam this.
You know this, whether you do healthcare education, trucking education,
you can just see from the way the incentives are

(11:57):
set up, it's going to go into fraud guarantee.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
Well, well, at least they didn't set up a truck
school called the Leaning Center.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yeah, Minnesota.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
Yes, actually that actually that cartoon I sent you was
courtesy of Kyle Sinclair from Texas.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Yeah, I have to admit that Governor Wallas has been Yeah.
I didn't even know much about this guy until he
ran for vice president. But once he started to do that,
and you can see his behaviors and everything. Since it's like, man,
you're a practice ignoramus of the worst description.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Truth to me, if you want to know the truth, Dan,
Back when Ali was with us, that's exactly why I
asked you that question can a man get pregnant? Because
he thinks one can you.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Know, and that's a level of psychosis for you know, Look,
you can make a guy get psychosis if you give
enough money and enough power and there's no questions given,
Walls has got himself so far into la la land.
Not only can he ignore the elephant in the room,
he could ignore the elephant on his foot. O, man,

(13:13):
no pay there.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
Yeah, you know what, you.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
Know, it's you know, at the risk of sounding like
I have empathy for Hitler, but I always tell people
you have to be able to love your enemy enough
so you know how to work on him. Here. But
if anybody said, look at a guy like Fauci is like,
you know, guys, look this guy started getting money in
power and he had no consequence to how he used
the money or the power. And he's been and he's
had it for what forty five years? Fifty years? Yeah,

(13:40):
I think that we're going to turn a guy into
a guy who could sit there at the camera and
just plane out lie and say this is going to
protect you from the infection and it's perfectly safe. And uh,
you know, we know where virus came from nature. You
think he wouldn't lie like that. The guy probably can't
distinguish his lies from reality anymore?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Was there any truth behind the idea that he had
written a paper based on the idea of the ill
effects of wearing a mask, and then when the spicy
cough came around, he's telling everybody, oh, you must wear
your mask, while sitting at a baseball game with his
mask on his chest.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
You know, I don't know if he actually wrote that
article or whether he was listed as a co author.
One of the things that frequently happens when you get
control of the money that's going out to sponsor studies
is that you give it to people under the promise
that they'll put your name as a co author, even
though you didn't do a damn bit of work on
the study. So whether he actually was somebody got his

(14:41):
name on there and did the work, or got his
name on there and didn't do the work, to me,
the more interesting thing is when him sitting around, you know,
decades ago, telling people the best vaccine flu inflenza was
to get influenza, and then all of a sudden, when
this thing came around, it was like, no vaccine works,
is no natural and faction ever gives you the same
immunity as taking our vaccine does. And you know, to

(15:05):
watch him say that and then make a diametrical change
on that. You know, if you ask me, could he
have done a study unmasking and then completely countradicted what
he did his study with The guy can lie with
facility because he can't really tell honesty from fiction anymore.
The guy has such a practice to ignoramus. Reality doesn't matter.

(15:26):
It's just things are profitable or they're not. And I'm
sure he doesn't have any in their reality.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Let me go back a little bit, damn from when
you and I first met and you gave that speech
at the school board down to Mount Vernit. I'm going
to ask because a lot of people probably don't know
what brought you to the conclusion with your findings.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
You know it started. I'm always the guy who goes
back to basic sciences, all right. You know, whether you're
arguing from the first principles of science or the first
principles of liberty, you always go back to the first principles.
And when you understand the biochemistry of immunology, and you've
already known for a decade plus that whether it's influenza

(16:11):
or the common cold, or respiratory sensitial virus or paraneuma virus,
pair of influenza virus, that these things that you don't
die because the virus is just eating your cells and
making them die. What gets you in trouble is your
own inflammation regulation systems being broken and running out of control.
So knowing that when somebody comes out and says, oh,

(16:33):
covid is going to eat the world, it's like, well, no,
it's an inflammation regulation. You just regulate the immune system.
That's got to be the foundation of thought that you
start from. All right, you have to disprove that that's
what's going on first. And then when nobody wanted to
do that, and suddenly it was well, we're going to
lock down to flatten the curve, and I was like, well,

(16:55):
it doesn't matter if you flatten the curve or not.
If your immune system and inflammation regulation systems bad to
get smoked by the thing one way or the other,
so it doesn't matter if flatter it. Why would you
do that, That's nonsense. Then when it became use a mask,
and it's like, well, wait, we already had the studied
on viruses bigger than the virus you're talking about. They
didn't work there and that was by that time that

(17:16):
stuff was over ten years old. Okay, now you're just
ignoring reality. Where else is this gonna go? And so
when it became hey, we're gonna come out with this
new vaccine that gets your healthy cells to make things
that will make the immune system attack them, and it's

(17:37):
gonna go all throughout your body, including the tissues that
you can't ever regenerate again if they get attacked and destroyed,
and we have no way to turn it off once
we turn it on, it was like, Okay, this is
so far into insanity land. So when it came time
to get any opportunity to speak, it was like, guys,
look you need and I think this was the opening

(17:58):
line I used that that school board was, Look what
they're telling you completely contravenes everything in scientific method everything
we know about biology, immunology, infectious disease. At this point,
they are contravening everything that we know about this. And
so even if they do say there are things we
have not proven about COVID nineteen, you're starting with the
assumption that black is lighter than white, and that four

(18:22):
is a number that's bigger than three, that's smaller than three.
So once somebody says, I'm going to assume there is
a color darker than black and that four is smaller
than three, like, tell somebody, everything you say after this
is going to be wrong, and I don't need to
listen to you any further because you have started from
the very beginnings of the argument with information we know

(18:44):
to be false, and you're ignoring that. It's not just
that you're naive, you're ignoring that. So it was very
easy at that point. Is this thing began unfolding and saying, no,
I don't know what this is about, but this isn't
about using scientific method to protect humanity from some pathogenic virus.
Whether this is to make money or to get control

(19:06):
or probably different motivations in different people, I don't know,
but this is not a proper use of scientific method
and an understanding of biology and medicine to improve the
human outcome. That was easy to see very early on
in this, Like I say, if you right. One of
the reasons that doctors I think were so slow to
pick up on this is because they don't teach the

(19:27):
fundamentals of medicine anymore, and the doctors who did learn
it have been financially punished for using those fundamentals for
so long that they were basically easy to ignore what
was getting ready to come down. But if you were
somebody who was, hey, I'm going to think independently one
way or the other. And remember when COVID struck, I

(19:49):
had already gotten out of the healthcare system. I was
direct to pay with my patients only. I wasn't taking
money from third party payment sources like employers or governments
or insurance companies or anything like that. So the only
people who could hold a gun to my head were
my patients, and they didn't want me to lie to them.
So it was easy to see right through this because

(20:09):
my brain had not been told to ignore reality, and
nobody paid me to ignore reality anymore, so it was
easy to dig through it at that point. But people
need to understand how bad the present government, whether it's
doing it to a trucker by telling him to go
to a trucking school where they're going to have him
twiddle his thumbs and give him a piece of paper,

(20:32):
or whether it's doctors told to completely ignore everything to
do with medicine that you ever learned and instead do
this dumb thing The computer tells you didn't do You
can get somebody to be very, very ignorant, and governments
that are out of control do this with great facility.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
Every time I hear somebody say I can't believe the
Germans gas nine million Jews, it's like, well, yeah, didn't
you see how the power was structured in Nazi Germany.
It was there was no way they weren't going to
gas somebody. It was only a matter of time.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Yeah, the Holocaust never happened, but yet the wise Aschwitz
still standing.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Yeah, you know, kind of hard for me. That's another
example of ignorance out of control. When you can say
Auschwitz never happened, is like, really, there was a whole
lot of witnesses, dude. Kind of hard for you to
deny it now, But okay.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, yeah, and then explain why my family got from Yugoslavia,
just bailed out of there right before Hitler invaded. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, yeah, let's let's we'll.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Talk about that, you know, But eisenhewmer.

Speaker 8 (21:41):
Agually they don't want to hear it. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
John Eisenhower was brilliant, you know, and he realized that
as a general. He says, I want photographers in here.
I want this documented because there will come a day
someday when they will deny this has happened. And he's right,
they're trying to deny today here what sixty years later
or so, that it happened no more than eighty years.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it's kind of a
thing about humans that when it's you know, if you
if you let them get a benefit for ignoring things,
they'll practice till they're really good at it. And there's
a lot of people that, hey, I don't want to
get involved in things like my government because it's not fun,
it isn't sexy, it doesn't put food on the table

(22:27):
for most of them, and so they prefer to not
pay attention to it. And when you come out and
say this, hey, there's this really big problem. You let
this government go, we'll start gasing Jews and starving people
like they did in China and Russia. And they're like, well, no,
I'll just deny that really happened. And that way I can,
you know, I don't have to pay attention to my

(22:48):
government again. And you know, we have to get people
taught the idea that hey, this isn't go work. Guys.
If you let the king do whatever you want, he'll
do something you don't like. And uh, it is profitable
the implement money in your wallet eventually, or at least

(23:09):
it'll prevent the government from taking money out of your wallet.
But it pays off in non monetary ways as well
as in your government won't go loco and do something
like starving millions of Chinese people one year.

Speaker 8 (23:22):
Well, a little bit more into the government, Glad, John.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Well, I was going to say, you do realize the
government's acting without the consent of the people. Right, So
when they want to go to the United Nations, they
send a delegation, and the delegation goes to the United Nations,
they talk about the treaty, they want to design the
things they want to do, like say, sustainable development goals
and things like that. Then this treat delegation goes back
to the United States meets with members of Congress. Well,
this is what we founds, what we agreed upon. They

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start writing the laws and everything. The time when we
the people become aware of the laws and stuff, and
then we start protesting the laws, like, well we already
agreed on this. They're not they're not we're not consenting
to any thing it is they're doing. And the same
holds true to parties. Parties are creating organizations like whether
it's Heritage Foundation, Brooking Against Brookings Institute, or you just
name them what, everyone's are connected. They're making these ideals

(24:13):
about how they want to drive our country. This is
why we're getting data centers and this is why we're
getting things happening because these billionaires but their parties are
deciding for us what it is we are going to
have now, what it is we want. So we're really
not getting they're not doing this with the consent of
the people anymore. We've been cut out.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
You know.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
That's why it's so important I think that we reform
our legislatures. After all, when you think about it, if
you've got a group of people who says, hey, I'm
going to accept this idea of the rule of law,
I'm going to use.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
The rule a lot.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
It's going to become a substitute for using guns and
knives to come it and get my way by physical force.
Once you've assumed that what's the best way to take
tyrannical control over a group of people, all the making
of the laws that's what a legislature does, and that's
why they have Actually, it is so important that we

(25:09):
reform our legislature because long ago people with tyrannical ideas realized,
I can use money to do that, and I can
take control of that legislature. And that's what they've done.
It's falling apart for them now finally, bit by bit.
Here in Indiana was one of the great examples of that,

(25:29):
where we had was it, seven senators who were challenged
by grassroots members. They got funding, a lot of it
from grassroots, but many of those seven challengers did not
get much money. They were entirely grassroots supported. And of
those seven incumbent senators, five of them have already lost

(25:51):
their primaries. One more is leading by three votes with
all the provisional ballots to be counted yet, and another
one is leading by fifteen votes with probably a recount
to be demanded, meaning less than what those two that
are surviving are surviving by much less than one percent

(26:14):
of the vote. You know, this taking back of the
literate of the legislature. You know, it's probably going to
happen first at the state level before it moves to
the federal But this is entirely important to do. Let
me give you the best example of that. I don't
know if you guys like reading the Constitution very much,

(26:35):
but if so, you've probably read Article five of the
Constitution that says you can go ahead and the constitution
of these states can amend the Constitution on their own.
That if thirty four states pass a resolution saying, hey,
we want a convention so that we can propose our
own amendments, then the wording of the Article five of

(26:57):
the Constitution is Congress shall call that convention. Well, you
should know that there are thirty nine states that have
sent a resolution to the United States Congress saying we
want a convention to propose amendments to cause fiscal responsibility
on the federal government. They only needed thirty four, it

(27:17):
got thirty nine. Congress admits that's got them. They're in
the Federal register that they've got them. And when they
ask us a Speaker of the House, Johnson about this,
his response was, you'll have to sue me before I call.
Before I call that, even though the wording in the

(27:38):
Constitution is they shall call his responses, you'll have to
sue me. I'm just not going to do it think
about that as a legislature out of control. I mean,
they have getting that kind.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Of none, They have no respect at all. I didn't
even know about this until you just brought it up,
but I do know there was a movement for Convention
of States, in which case I want, I want to
say twenty something. The states are involved with that one.
But this sounds like something totally different.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, Well, the Convention of States organization is pushing for
a convention to take on three challenges, bringing fiscal restraint
to the government, release, reducing the scope of the government's effect,
and limiting the terms of service. But they only have
twenty who have signed that three part petition. But you

(28:27):
don't need thirty four to sign all three to get
one of those two things, those three things to go.
There are thirty nine that have said we want a
convention to propose amendments to be either a balanced budget
or put fiscal restraints on the federal government. So Congress
has got the stuff it needs from Article five to

(28:48):
call that convention, all right, you know, if that convention
will be limited to fiscal restraint and balance budget. But
they've got everything they need to call that convention, right,
now they don't need anything else. And yet Mike Johnson's
response to this is, nobody in the House have representatives
wants to do it, so you're going to have to
sue us. And I would tell people there's a way

(29:11):
around that. There's actually a Supreme Court case that says, hey,
once the thirty fourth state has sent in its petition
to the federal government, the states can call their own
convention and it will serve as part of Article five
because you know, the country was obligated to do it anyway,

(29:32):
and states can always get together and call a convention.
They've actually done this for centuries, where you know, ten
states will get together and say, hey, we want to
have a convention decide what we're going to do on
this river. And he said, well, you know, states always
have the right to get together for conventions, and if
one state calls this convention, it will serve the purposes
of Article five because you've already met the requirements to

(29:55):
have that Article five convention. So one of the things
we're working on. I work with a group called the
Article five Task Force now that's trying to get a
state legislature to pass a resolution. We're hoping Indiana will
be the first to pass a resolution just says hey,
we're naming the time and date of the Article five
Convention for a Balanced Budget and Fiscal Restraint Amendment Session.

(30:16):
So hey, States, send your delegation here, this is the
day we're doing it, and the resolution will be written
so that you know, if Congress sets another date before this,
you know they've got the right to do that by
Article five. But if they don't set another date before this,
then Indiana's going to host that convention. We're just going
around to Congress. Well, because unless you can control it,

(30:37):
that's going to have to be done.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I do know that you have Governor brawn, right, and
he's a man of backbone. He's willing to he's willing
to stand up and get something done. As I recall, no.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
I would say in many instances. Yet, some things you
need to know about Indiana's governorship. Indiana has a very
constitutionally weak governor. First of all, he has very little
enumerated powers that aren't given to him by the legislature,
and even his veto is over overridden by a simple majority.

(31:11):
So the governor has mostly a bully pulpit. He can
talk about there's really nothing the governor can do in
the state of Indiana to bring about this convention other
than talk about it, which we would love to see
him do. We would love to see him push our
legislature to pass such a resolution, such a bill. The

(31:31):
attorney general probably has greater ability because the Attorney General
could actually sue Congress for what's called I believe a
writ of mandamus, which means, hey, Congress, the evidence is here,
you're obligated to do this, and you've not done it,
so I'm suing you to force you to perform your
constitutional duty. All right. That's probably something the attorney General,

(31:53):
which we'd love to see happen as well, could do.
But the governor really doesn't have the power to do
that because he doesn't have the bower to represent the
state legally. That's the attorney general's job in the Indiana Constitution.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, no, that makes sense. That actually makes sense something
like that.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
We have a wonderful We have a young lady who
ran for the sixth Congressional district here in Indiana, Sarah
Deniase Brown. Props up to you. Sarah, who was actually
running for Congress, just barely lost her election despite the
fact she was outspent probably one hundred to one in
the election campaign, lost by only six percent percent to

(32:31):
the incumbent Jefferson Shreve. And she had actually talked about
filing a bill in the federal Congress to call that
convention and filing with it what's called a discharge petition.
And if you file a discharge petition with your bill,
when it's signed by that discharge petition is signed by
fifty percent of the chamber, then that it has to

(32:54):
be given a hearing and has to be voted on.
And that would have allowed it so that everybody could
call up every representative of the United States and say, look,
we want to balance budget things there, I better see
your damn name on the discharge petitioner this hell in
high water. Come next election, my hope is she's going
to run again for the same position, or run again
for a state legislative position and say, hey, you know,

(33:17):
I think I'm going to propose that bill that Indiana
is the one who hosts the convention on this date.
Just to speaking with that young lady about fed earlier today.
As a matter of fact, these are always to get
control of a legislature back and the federal legislature. If
you think you know the Indiana legislature is suffering badly,

(33:37):
I'll just be honest with you. But as bad as
I think the Indiana legislature is suffering, the federal Congress
is frankly nearly useless. It is just absolutely and total
thrall of anybody who can throw money around. There's no
no thought going on. In fact, I'll give credit to
Indiana's governor for one thing. He was our former senator instead,

(34:00):
this is such an ugly, horrible thing to be doing
that he got out of Congress and ran for governor,
said he'd rather be governor than be a senator. I
have to give them.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
I think that you'll find a lot of your former
senators in congressmen are doing just that. Because it's like
John and I have pointed out. John pointed it out first,
was you get more power in the state than you
do on the federal level.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
Yeah. And we'll never fix the federal until we fix
the states. The states are going to have to be
the guy who say, look, our constitution gives the states
the ability to kick the federal government's ass acting, and
as a group they can always kick the federal government's
ass That was something the Founding Fathers enshrined in the
Constitution because they knew it was going to come a David.

(34:45):
It had to happen, and they knew that the more
you concentrate power, quicker it becomes corrupted. I always like
to tell people, I think the Founding Fathers were great neurobiologists,
and how they did that without knowing neurobiology, I don't know. God,
they were smart. But if we get the states together
and just start saying, look, federal government, we've already we
followed the law. You've got your thirty nine petitions for

(35:07):
a convention. Now we're just gonna do it on our own.
We know we can. That's how it works. If we
can get the states fixed, then they can start dismantling
this federal ugly thing we call it Congress, and it's
probably gonna require and go that direction. I don't think
it's going to be possible to tear down the federal governments.

(35:27):
Neuropsychiatric dysfunction right now. I mean, I hear people of
Congress and the psychotic thing. I mean, God, you have
you seen Bernie Sanders testify at the at the hearing
to approve RFK Junior.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
That that guy died.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
I mean, we won't go to a microphone and humiliate
ourselves that badly. But I don't think Bernie Sanders knows
that's what he's doing.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
If I remember right, Yeah, there is a certain individual
from Oklahoma that trashed him once, John, You remember that
certain individual.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
Oh, what's his name? I believe he's a No, he's
a rep from Oklahoma, former m M, A fighter. Oh yeah,
he don't. Yeah, he told that Bernie shut up. He's
a name.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
He did.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
He told Bertie to shut up. He told him, he said,
you've been in congress songa than i've been alive, and
you still can't fix this ship.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, he replaced Christy nom.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
What's his name, John, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I can't think of it. I know his name, I
can't starts with the M. That's all I can think of.
His last name starts with an M. But uh.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah, Senator Sanders, asking his questions at the RFK convention, hearing,
I mean, I almost felt bad, like, you know, somebody
ought to get him a pudding cup and get him
ready for backgammon. When he held up that onesie and
ask whether or not mister Kennedy approved of this baby's
onesie that said no VAXX, no problem. I was like,

(37:19):
are we really interviewing a candidate for the Secretary of
Health Human Services for whether or not he supports a onesie?

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Mark Wayne Mark Wayne Mullen.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think Bernie needs to go play Backgamm.
I'm with Joe. That's what I think.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Yeah, it h you know, there's somebody's been out of
the fridge a little too long. I think that's the
best I can come up with, because but you know
you can. I say, you give somebody enough power without
responsibility and enough money without accountability for it, and you'll
make them become psychotic. I mean, Hitler, Paul pot Stalin,

(38:01):
Zion thing, Malse tongue, you need the other examples, and
people got lots of money, lots of power, and then
became psychotic.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
We were we were full were Benjamin Franklin said it himself.
If you if you don't put checks and balances in there,
if you don't check these guys and keep them in line,
he says, they will strip away all your power. Wold
they would take over and become tyrants, he says, if
you do, if you put me in that position reference
to himself, he says, I will do that to you.
That's how how sincere he was being at the time.

(38:29):
And we the people, we give up our power too easily,
you know, they stripped the like if you go to
Second Amendment. I was telling Sean about this not too
long ago. But if you go to Second Amendment, a
well regulated militia, if you define what that meant back
in seventeen eighty nine, when they when they created the
US Constitution regulated me to make regular right, they need

(38:51):
to make normal, proper functioning. It's not what we think
of regulate today. It's not how it's not defined the same.
And when they had regulated militia, it worked as a
citizen's militia. That's what it was, and it worked within
your counties.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
And sectional guard. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted
it was not annoying.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
That was the Dick Act in nineteen oh three. They
decided that because they were recruiting militia men to fight
in foreign client conflicts, that's not what they were for.
They were for national defense. So they decided since the
Spanish War that they were inadequate to fight in foreign conflicts. Well,
they weren't military men, they were militia men. And so

(39:31):
they decided, in their dick actor were going to have
them better trained like the military and created a National
Guard and said that's your militia now. So they stripped
the power of the people right there because they disarmed
the American people. They got rid of the citizens militia,
and that was a check and balance that our forefathers
put into place with the Second Amendment. Now they're attacking

(39:51):
our right to keeping bare arms because well, we don't
need you anymore. You're not in the militia. You see
what I'm saying. Now, they disempowers us.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
I very much enjoyed watching the originalists and textualists on
the Supreme Court, which I'm just going to give you
my opinion. If you're a judge you don't believe in
originalism and textualism, then you're just a tyrant, right, That's
all it is. If you can make up the words
to be anything you want, then you're a tyrant. But
I'm very happy to see these guys getting back and saying, look,

(40:21):
the gun control laws have to be in line with
what was in line in nineteen seventeen eighty seven when
it got passed in the Constitution, or I should say
I think it was two years later in eighty nine
when the Bill Rights got passed. They said, it's got
to be whatever made sense back then. And back then
there wasn't a National Guard. You know, everybody had a gun.

(40:43):
Everybody knew that when the call went out, like you know,
Pauler of yours ride, we're all going to show up,
all right. Their intention was people needed to have guns,
not just as a way to protect themselves, but as
a way to protect themselves from the very federal government
they were making.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yes, our forefather said that. Anybody anything they said, they
said exactly that.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Yeah, what is that line. Where the government fears the people,
there's liberty. Where the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah. Uh, but do your point about what judges like
the Supreme Court. That's what Patrick Henry said when they
when they ratified the Constitution. He said, great, you've given
the Supreme Court the power to interpret law, and now
you've created the oligarchy of the courts.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
As a matter of fact, one of the things I
would really like to see done well well, I don't
think the Convention of States organization is up to achieving
at s endpoint. I would love to see if they
ever do get to the point where we can have
a convention to reign in the power of the federal government.

(41:55):
I would love to see some rules put in in
force with our Supreme Court where by a majority ruling
of all supreme state supreme courts, any ruling of the
Supreme Court can be vacated, and that if any justice
votes for a ruling and twice is vacated by the

(42:16):
majority of Supreme courts, then that justice will be presumed
to have resigned. So let's say, look, if you're that
bad at understanding the way the law is understood by
all the Supreme Courts in the United States that you
twice have to have your knickers put back in line
for you, then you need to stop being a judge anymore.

(42:37):
You're right to give them unfettered power with it's not
totally unfettered. You can't impeach them and remove them. It's difficult,
but you know, yeah, and even then the impeachment process,
you know what is it? High crimes and misdemeanors. They
just have terrible judgment it's like you need to make

(42:57):
a judge and saying, no, your judgments blown up. Dude,
you're not working right. Well, sorry. The thing the.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Prone to legislating from the bench, So they may not
be a law, but they kind of imply a law,
you know, they because it's what they want or it's
what they feel. You got to realize these judges, if
they're Republican, they get invited to Republican events and they
give speeches, so there's influence there, and if they're Democrat
it works the same.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
You know. It's really just astounding to me to Tangi
Jackson Brown, who to my mind is probably the least
qualified in her decisions to call herself a judge, actually
comes out and argues against rulings without ever mentioning the
Constitution or the rule of law at all. She says,

(43:50):
this ruling is bad because of the outcome that's going
to come from it, and USA you realize that as
a judge, you're not allowed to consider that. Yeah, all right,
your job is to read the four corners of the
Constitution and the four corners of the Law of Congress
and apply that. If they write a really stupid law,

(44:11):
but it's constitutional, and it's going to absolutely blow things up,
then your opinion should be, well, this is really stupid,
but it's legal and it's constitutional, so I have to
support it. For a judge to come out and say
that this is a bad ruling simply because it's going
to have a bad outcome without every common whether it's

(44:32):
legal and constitutional, it's like you understand that as a judge,
you don't get to determine whether the outcomes good or bad.
You only get to determine whether it's constitutional and legal.
That's the only thing you get a designed You don't
get to whether you think it's good or bad, or
you think too many abortions or too many back room

(44:53):
abortion fatalities or unwanted whatever you think of the value
of that. As a judge, you can't do that, or
you are all the way over into tyranny land.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah. Yeah, that's legislating from the bench. If she wants
she wants to legislate to make law or create law
because of undesired outcomes, that's legislating from the bench. That's
what she would be doing. And where they get there,
where they get a lot of their power in doing that,
dan Is, we never got rid of common law. Right,
So in common law they got they can create police state,
they can create uh like things for safety. So you

(45:26):
hear this all the time. Well, you know, guns are dangerous,
so we need to we need to regulate guns, and
we need to get rid of certain types of guns.
And this is how they keep trying to erode our
freedoms because once they declare something unsafe, then they say, well,
because of the safety factor, it no longer applies to
the US Constitution, which is garbage, shall not be, shall
not be in French means shall not be in French period.

(45:49):
That was very clear language.

Speaker 7 (45:52):
Then there's there's no safety clause in there.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
No, but but they need to But they claim because
of common law they can legislate for safety. That's what
I'm getting at. So there they find a leverage to
legislate from the bench.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a totally tyrannical self absorption.
There's no other way to say it. When somebody says,
I can, for your own sake, I can take away
this liberty from you. Let's face it, is there any
tyrant who has not done all the horrible things they've done.
They have done and always justified it as being good

(46:26):
for the people. M I mean, that is the psychosis
they always wander into. I like to call it the date.
The gateway drug to tyranny is the idea that I'm
doing good things for the people, so I get to
do it and I don't have to check with them.
And as soon as you've let that come into your brain,

(46:46):
that's the gateway drug to tyranny. There's no getting you
back after that.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Well how many? How many? I mean, has anybody taken
into consideration what our forefathers fought for freedom? We will?
We far surpassed that way beyond that at this time.
We are taxed way more than they were, were treated
far less than they were. I mean, the king was
kind of tyrannical, but he wasn't there in their face
all the time. I mean they could go down to
burn down the governor's mansion and not bad, and I

(47:11):
kind of walk away like, yeah, we showed him and
didn't think twice about her. Right, Try that today and
see what happens.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
Yeah, you know it. I am happy to say, swinging
back the other direction, and I'm happy to say I
see it swinging back the right way and the way
I would explain that to people. You know, this financial tyranny,
which is basically guys with a lot of money are
allowed to bully the government to round. But it didn't work.

(47:39):
In twenty twenty four, was it Biden outspent Trump two
to one and got creamed.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:46):
Here in Indiana and our sixth rassional districts, Sarah got
outspent probably ten twenty to one and probably one hundred
to one, lost by only six percent. We had a
whole bunch of of senators here in Indiana got handed
their walking papers without well funded campaigns. You know, it

(48:09):
was a beautiful thing to see happen.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
To be honest with you, Well, I think we're just
seeing dan As. You're seeing people waking up to the
reality of things. And so I call it the turnco media.
But you see Ducker, Carlson, you see Candas Owns and
all these people turned on Trump. And I thought to myself,
oh God, in the middle of the midterm elections, they're
gonna turn on Trump. They're gonna try to try to
bash the Republican Party and hand it over to the left,

(48:32):
and we're gonna be putting up with the obstructionists of
the left and the impeachments and the nonsense all over again.
But now you see Trump going out there going I
doors that guy, that guy, that guy, and that guy.
You see that guy, that guy, that guy, and that
guy win. It is like, oh, I think he's still
got a lot of support. I think people have woken
up to what the left has been doing and they're
not being swayed like they used to be.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
I think they're as much as I enjoy seeing media
not working to the hand of the leftists, I'm as
equally happy to see it not working to the hand
of the people on the far right as well. So
the people who are you know, like Candas Owans has
become the hey let me sell you a big controversy

(49:16):
and you know, get this, totally divorced from actually finding
a solution to something. The American public is becoming good
at seeing that and saying, you know what, I'm not
going to pay attention to that that doesn't jive with reality.
They are parts of that that are ignorant, and I
think as they're beginning to figure out, hey, this isn't hopeless.

(49:40):
There is a way to do this. We just had
another group joined the Citizens Coalition for Legislature Accountability yesterday.
We have another one that's probably going to join by
the end of the weekend. And I'm going to do
another lecture here in Indiana shortly that'll probably bring a
third one in. As these groups are beginning to realize, hey,
wait a minute. If we'll just keep our heads out

(50:02):
of the left and right psychogic media and we will
question what we read and think the first principles, we
have hope of doing this, and we can actually fix
our government. It's beautiful seeing that's starting to come about.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
We had a Center Lank Go ahead, John, go ahead. Dan.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
I was going to say, we had an Indiana senator
reach out to the CCLA today to ask us for
the rules changes we wanted because he was considering rules
changes of his own and he wanted to consider our
rules changes too. I don't know if anybody understands just
the significance of that, but that a senator said, Hey,

(50:48):
I think that the constituency has ideas about how our
chamber should work, and I need to consider that. I
want people to know that the senator is thinking about
that is such an amazing step forward. By the way,
you should know that senator actually resigned from the Indiana

(51:08):
Republican Caucus because he couldn't stomach what was going on
in caucus and in the legislature, so he wouldn't be
part of it anymore.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
There's two I can think of right now.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
That, by the way, he is the second senator Indiana
Senator who has actually discussed our rules changes. The other
one has actually partially endorsed our rules changes. The very
idea that there are people in our legislature who are saying, hey,
I think that the constituency should be consulted and be
involved in these rules, and that these rules might need

(51:44):
to be changed so that I can be held accountable
to my constituents, because the more accountable I become to them,
the less accountable I am to a lobbyist. These are
enormous breakthroughs and government structure and government understand handing. And
it's largely coming about because the people at least of
Indiana have decided to get together and say, hey, we're

(52:07):
more alike than we are separate. And the one thing
we all agree on is we don't want to solve
our differences by financial warfare or physical warfare. We want
to solve them by representative republican government that is not
being biased by the financial or the physical. This is
a breakthrough that this is understanding of government is happening

(52:28):
in the United States right.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
Now off the air, just between you and I. I'd
like to know which Senator, because I can think of two,
and one wasn't too far from me.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
I can tell you Senator Derry has published Senator Spencer Derry,
who is he's three votes ahead of his opponent in
his race. His opponent, by the way, has entirely endorsed
the CCLA rules changes, as is an independent who will
be running against him in the general election. That Senator

(53:03):
Spencer Deary, he actually put it in writing to us
that he agreed with the majority of what we had proposed.
Send it to me in an email. So I think
the man who needs to be given props for that.
I'll let the people of his district decide who's going
to win that race. But I want everybody to know that. Look,
it took some insight and some courage for the sitting

(53:23):
senator to come out and say that. For the senator
who contacted our group today and said, hey, I want
those rules changes, I can look at him. And if
you don't know his name, I haven't been given his
permission to give his name, But if you know what
I just said about him, you can probably find him
out pretty quick. That this is an enormous thing that

(53:44):
somebody who's a sitting legislator would consider that his constituents
needed to be consulted on how this chamber is going
to run. This is an enormous breakthrough in government. And
you know, whether underd Dery wins or loses his race,
I wish him to at least be given credit for

(54:04):
what he's done in that regard.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
You know, I do you have a Facebook page or anything?
For all this damp.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
Fixmi legislature dot com? I would beg everybody to go there.
There are resources where you can learn about the amendments
we want and why we want them, why those are
to be the rules changes we want, and why we
want them, why it's good for your legislator to have
these changes made. You know, I think a lot of
people approach this from my dirty legislator is just getting

(54:36):
rich by making these stupid laws, And I tell them, well,
I don't think that's where it works. For the vast
majority of them. The mass majority. We're making stupid laws
because they're afraid they're going to be removed from power
and won't be able to do anything if they don't
make the stupid law. It's kind of a Stockholm syndrome
thing more than anything else. But as they come to realize, yeah,

(54:57):
I mean, when your a legislator, you get this. Well,
if I don't go with the nasty lobbyist and I
won't get anything done, it takes a while to realize,
Wait a minute, I'm always going wrong with the lobbyists.
I still won't get anything done. You know, they're they're
kind of schooled not to think that way from the
moment they get elected. It's a psychological coat. Unto a legislator.

(55:19):
If you would that they're that we have two of them,
would considered that's probably we should probably change. That is huge.
It's just huge, and uh you know that way. It's
the only people who lose if we do this are
the guys who like to use money and throw it
around in government. The only guys who lose. And I

(55:40):
think there's a group of legislators at least turn in Indiana.
I'm sure of it. I can tell you we've had
three or four who will tell us off the record,
I know these changes need to happen. I'm just scared
to do it. God bless them for that honesty. All right,
But you know, this is a huge thing that we're
seeing this happen. You know that a very strict constitution

(56:00):
like Thomas Massey looks like he's probably gonna win his
primary is a huge thing. This is a and even
though he's not supported by President Trump, it's a huge
thing that there's a group of people who says, you
know what, more than the name of this guy or
that guy, the principles by which that person acts, or

(56:21):
how I will judge him, I don't care what the
media says about him. This is an enormous breakthrough that
there is somebody surviving in our federal Congress as horrible
as psychiatric mess as that thing is, that Thomas Massey
exists in there. It's just the most beautiful thing.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
Well, it just shows how the American people feel.

Speaker 7 (56:45):
So yeah, that advanced in the American thing is huge.

Speaker 8 (56:52):
So we're getting about it that hour now. Dan, it's
been a pressure of having you with us again tonight.
Is there anything else you want to get us on
on a quick update.

Speaker 7 (57:04):
You know right now, I would just tell somebody start
sending your House of Representative, your US federal representative, tell
them about you know about the discharge petition. For those
who don't know it. The reason we got that Epstein bill,
the discharge petition is the one thing that makes it

(57:25):
so you can hold your representative accountable for any bill
that's in there, because if he files a discharge petition
on the bill, anybody who doesn't sign it has just said, hey,
I tried to kill this bill. That's why the Epstein
thing got through. Thomas Massey filed a discharge petition on it.
Democrats all signed their names. There's a whole bunch of
Republicans who said, uh, oh, I don't want to have

(57:47):
my name not beyond there, because if my name's not
on there, my people will know I tried to hide
this pedophile record. And that's why it got through Congress.
One of the things that hey help us get our
federal House representatives back into line is if everybody were
to call their federal representative and say, I want you
to file a discharge petition on every bill. Now I

(58:12):
have everybody in writing for what they supported and what
they didn't and that makes them accountable. And if they
knew that everybody was saying I want your name on
a discharge petition, we would probably have our Convention for
a balanced Budget Amendment already called.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
He is at national? Or is that strictly Indiana? You
must be national the way you're talking, so.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
CCLA is right now just by Indiana. However, I can
tell you I have done speeches in Michigan, Kentucky, and
I actually had a group that paid me to go
down to Texas to speak to a group of their
Republicans about reforming their rules. They actually had me read
over the rules of the Texas House and Senate and
post changes to it there. So this is beginning to

(59:03):
you know, these things always start small and they start
to grow as more people learn about this. But I
think people are beginning to realize, hey, the legislatures are
a problem. We need to see how you work so
we can solve it. And once they find out how
it works, it becomes yeah, that's got to be different.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Well, you list yourself as director of the CCLA. Are
you are you the founder and director or you work
with a group of people and you founded it together.
How did this come about?

Speaker 7 (59:31):
You know, I think I was one of the first
people with the idea. I was a member of the
first group that joined CCLA. That group now withdraw because
the national arm of that group would not let them
remain in our organization. I wouldn't let them participate. But
you know, I tell people, I don't think it's important
whose idea it was. I think what matters is everybody

(59:53):
learning it. I like to tell people, you know, Bethagorash,
remember the guy that came up with the right triangle
geometry theory. It was a really a smart guy, smartest
guy in mathematics until he taught his buddy and his
buddy went oh, and then there were two equally smart
people about mathematics in the world. And I think it's
probably going to catch on. And the reason it's going

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to catch on is because it works. It allows us
to get our government back. And as people start to realize, yeah,
I know legislative work is boring, but I at least
need to know how it works so I can make
them accountable while they're in there doing their work that works.
And as people learned that, we're going to see it
take over across all of the states probably would even

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work in California.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That would be pretty amazing. But you're right if there
are a lot of people in California that are sick
and tired of the BS in California, and it sounds
to me like you've got something good going on here.
You got the right idea. You guys structured it well.
I'm interested in learning more about it, To be honest
with you, I don't know if.

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
Yeah. In fact, our by laws of our organization are
actually posted on our website so you can see them.
And we designed them specifically so that every group that
joins the CCLA gets a board member, and the board
can call itself into action without I can't keep them
from meeting. They can meet and pull me out of
power any day they want. We designed it especially so

(01:01:22):
that as director I would not have unfattered power, so
that the only way I could keep my position is
if I was actually doing what the board wanted me
to do and fighting for legislative reform. And if I
ever stopped doing that, they can just remove me. It's
even easy for them to remove me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
They just flicky right, boom, you're out.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
In fact, we set it up there it needed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
The democratic process to sort of speak.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
Right, distributed power makes people so they don't get psychotic.
I mean, if you gave me all that power, somebody
would come in and say, Dan, we'll give you a
lot of money so that you won't push this further,
and you'll drive it into the ground and eventually they'll
get my brain twisted into it. So I ruined the effort.
I was very happy that the you know, Joseph bort
because should get some props up for this. He helped

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me work on these by laws and he was one
of the he was part of the second group or
the third group rather that joined with this, that helped
us write our by laws so we would have it.
And we've all agreed distributed power is the way this
has got to go. We can't give guys the power
to run this. In fact, the group that left CCLA,

(01:02:30):
the reason they left is because the national head of
that sabotage them refused to listen to the people of
his state who wanted to participate. And they have concentrated
power at the national level, so the national level guy
could say no, you don't get to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Oh well, yeah, you see a lot of this in
these organizations, they become their own little tyrants and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
You know, and it's you know, distributed power is the
way that the founding fathers understood it. They knew that
power had to be distributed. And I think people are
beginning now. It's getting to the point where somebody comes
up and says, give me your money and I'll take
care of you. It's like, can I get my money back?
Here's the next question? Can I get that back?

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
You know, John, this sounds like a good conversation for
a Wednesday night show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Actually it does. You know, Dan, if you got any
are you available on Wednesday nights?

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
This coming Wednesday night?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
It could be I got I got toping time slots
from here on out, so it could be this Wednesday night,
if you want two, three weeks from now, whatever your
most available. I mean, you don't have to decide now,
I just uh, I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:38):
Mean Wednesday nights I can usually make work. But you know,
give me a chance to help reform my government, to
distribute the power back down to the constituency. It's hard
to keep my mouth closed in that kind of arena.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, You've got thumbs up for those, because we're just
broadcasting audio. So yeah, the AD's got his thumbs up. Man,
this is this sounds like some good stuff. Man, I'm
really dig in this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
I got more than I mean, you know, getting a
government reform so that the power is back in the
hands of the people and so that they can take
it back at will. I can even go down to
the biochemical neurobiological principle that supports it if you want
me to, But that's kind of boring. You don't need
to be able to know how the sodium potassium at

(01:04:22):
pee pump works on the neur alemma to realize that, Yeah,
distributed power is a good idea, that concentrated power is bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Right, there's a great history prove and concentrated power is bad.
So we've got we got all the evidence we need.
We don't need to prove it any more than we
already have.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Nope, you're right. We just need people to think about, Okay,
how are we going to distribute the power? And but
that's starting to happen. Isn't it beautiful to see that
happen in the United States? I mean, uh, you know,
one of the things I really loved was the World
Health Organization getting neutered by the United States and Argentina
together saying like, we're out of that. This is a mess,

(01:04:58):
we don't need this power concentrate. Then you were out
of it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
What is that? Guys? Really like that guy's a character
down there in Argentine. I can't think of his name.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's him, that's him. Yes, Trump is absolute.
People are not giving Trump the credit he deserves because
he's pulled out of the United Nations. He's pretty much
told him we're not sending any more delegations to the
United He's the one president, the only president. In fact,

(01:05:22):
it was Obama really got us involved with these sustainable
development goals and stuff in the United Nations and sending
all these delegations and usurping the power of the people
and robbing us of our consent. You know what, Like
twenty fifteen or something, I think is when he got bad.
So Trump is pretty much gave him the finger said
we're done with you. We're done with you. We're not

(01:05:42):
I don't think he's financing this stuff anymore. He's like,
we're just done with it all together. And he's positioned.
He's doing a great job of position in the Globe
do the same.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
Thing with NATO. You know, it's like, look, I could
be part of you guys, but if you're going to
run the thing this way, I'll just give you money,
you know, on your job. You know, I got to
give the man. You know, many times I hate people say,
you know, he's badly spoken. He used this brash language,
and all I said, yeah, okay, he may not be
the most spoken man when he comes to foreign policy.
This guy is all over it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
He does that on purpose because he's putting people off
their he's pulling people on their comfort zone, and he's
putting him on notice. Basically, well, he does it on purpose.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
That guy could talk so nice and eloquently when he
wants to. He said, down and talk to people, and
he's done it. We've all seen him do it. But
he's doing what he's doing because he knows he's disrupting
people and he's moving people, and so it's a it's
his motive operation.

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
And but he is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
He's doing a fantastic job, and people just won't recognize.
I see people turning on him, and I'm going, why
are you turning on him? He's doing this is exactly
what he's doing is America First. You know, it's because
America First was founded what in the late eighteen hundreds
or something, the original movement and stuff, and it was
an isolationist movement and all these other things. These people
think that this is what we got to do is
become isolationist again and uh, cut people out, in which

(01:07:01):
Trump has cut some people out. But at the same time,
we do have to deal with matters in the globe.
We do have to position ourselves in the globe. And
that is exactly what Trump is doing. Now. Look what
he's done in Venezuela, Look what he's doing in Iran.
And now he's in China looking at Zee who's basically
welcome him with open arms and gave him the best
reception in the world. Like he realizes he's beat.

Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
You know, is common sense that he talks about in
foreign relations. It is amazing how long it has been
since we have had anybody who had common sense. People
come out of the Harvard School of Government and they
act like it just gives them permission to ignore everything
that reality would teach a human being and come up

(01:07:46):
with her to do a really stupid thing that I
learned at the Harvard School of Government. This theory they
came up with that flies in the face of human behavior.
And I really like the fact that mister Trump was
come back and said, look, NATO will start spending money
on their defense if I tell them I'm going to
let Russia run through them. It's like, okay, yeah, that
worked all right. You know, suddenly we have a lot

(01:08:08):
of South American companies, you like the countries, you like
the United States after Maduro got drug out of there
in the Parishackles, Yeah, okay, but we do have to
require the common sense of it is the thing that
is you know. Yeah. In fact, I remember seeing somebody
who was a graduate one of these schools of government

(01:08:29):
coming up and talking about all the things Trump had
done wrong. It's like, except it keeps working. That's the problem.
It keeps working, dude. You point scoreboard. How many times
you can look at that scoreboard and still think you're winning?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Right exactly? So I think, uh, I think we went
over on time there, Dan. I think to the point
Sean had to bail on us. He's got some work
to go do, and I probably should get going myself.
But man's it just such an enjoy conversation. You know,
you just don't want to stop talking about it. But yeah,
if you got some time in the near future, I'd

(01:09:05):
like to get hold of and talk to you some more.
Or lease schedule you for a Wednesday night show on
the Common Sense Conservatives, because I know the guys would
love to hear from me on this. This is good.

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
Stuff I'd love to do. So you know you got
my number, don't put it in a bathroom wall, and
we're all good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
All right, I won't be putting it there. You know,
we'll save that for Ginny. We'll put her number there
if you know the reference.

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
Thanks for having me on, John.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
All right, Thank you, Dan, you have yourself a good.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
Night you too, Bye bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. That's our bit for tonight.
We hope you got something out of it. You know,
this was really a good piece. I really enjoyed doing
it tonight. And oh as always live for freedom, man
God us and take care

Speaker 7 (01:10:00):
And