The Common Sense Conservatives with Dr. Dan Stock

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at it. We've got a guest tonight, Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Very interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
We've had him on before, and I'll let John introduce
him a little bit more here, but it's doctor Dan Stock.
If you want to introduce our guest, John, we'll get
right into it right away.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, absolutely well. Doctor dan Stock is well known for
his activities in twenty twenty one when he stood up
to the Board of Education in Indiana regarding certain what's
the word I use here for the for what happened
in twenty twenty one, Chris, We don't violate YouTube medical times.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You can talk about the COVID scam, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, we don't want to trigger into YouTube. But anyway,
the point is he stood up against the board, he
made his points known, and the funny thing is he
took a lot of criticisms criticisms for doing so. And
what makes it funny is the fact that he is
an immunologist and he's being criticized by people who are
not telling him he's wrong. But he uh later on

(02:05):
decided that he was going to do something about such
wrongful activities and started an organization called Citizens Coalition Coalition
for Legislature Accountability. Uh, doctor Dan Stock, how you doing, sir?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Good? How are you guys?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
The today?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Good?

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Doctor?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Fair to Midland the grass?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, it's always It's always good to be top side,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
You have to remember, if you're not on the right
side of the grass, you're only qualified to vote in California, New.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
York, Chicago. Don't forget.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Hang on a second, guys, I'm just I'm digging out
a box of ballots here right now for California.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, did I do you any justice? When I when
I kind of laid that out there, Dan, did I
hit all the points I would say?

Speaker 6 (02:52):
I am not a board certified practicing immunologist who does
nothing but immunology. I do do immunology all day long
in my practice, but I don't have any credentials for
anybody else who says I know anything about immunology.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
So, okay, let's not get too wrapped around the act.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
So well.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
Doctor Jordan Peterson was a credential medical practitioner and they
stripped him because of his free speech being censored.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
But hey, that's all other story. You know.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
I always tell people, you know, every says, g are
you a medical doctor? And said, yeah, but think about
how much that means Anti Fauci and I have the
same credentials.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, you've just lost credibility on air.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
You know, if I think people want to they want
to reduce scientific method to a competition of credentials, And
I say, you really can't determine reality very well that way.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
No, that's you know, the thing is is some people
are just amazed by shiny toys.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
He went to Harvard, Yeah, what does that mean? I
got all d's but I passed.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yeah, or Mommy and Daddy paid a lot of money
to get me past the selection committee.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Well do we get some of those people in jail?
Now ask a couple actresses.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I must say for clarity, Chris White is not declaring
that he got all these while being educated.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh no, no, no, no no. I graduated kum laud Summa
cloud my programs. Yeah, no doubt. Now, Now, when I.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Went to college at seventeen, I got most of these decencies.
But then I wasn't going to class. But that's all
the started.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Those desks get comfortable when you're sleeping on them, don't they?

Speaker 7 (04:17):
Uh no, I didn't quite make it back to the classroom.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh crap. So, Dan, you created the Citizens Coalition for
Legislature Accountability, which can be ironically or I don't know
about ironically, but you you named it or you web address.
The web address is fixed my legislature dot com. I
assume that's because the acronym was kind of hard to
get around when you were trying to pick a web

(04:42):
address for it. But what prompted this exactly? I mean
I gave a little bit of I glossed over it
a little bit. But what prompted this with you?

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Well, I can tell people that I've actually been lobbying
the Indiana State Legislature since twenty fifteen. I tell you
I'm the good kind of lobbyists. I come within for
into debate, but I don't bring any campaign cash. And
in twenty fifteen I was working on behalf of an
organization trying to get a Convention of States to get
balanced budget and restrict the power of the federal government amendments.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
And Indiana passed that resolution.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
So everything weren't our way, and it's like, oh, okay,
the legislature works. Then COVID hit and I realized that,
wait a minute, every single principle of basic biology is
just being completely ignored and perverted here. And when we
tried to get that legislation through to stop that problem,
to get our out of control governor who was trying

(05:37):
to put emergency things and telling liquor stores they could
stay open but churches couldn't, the legislature malfunctioned terribly and
it didn't at.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
All do what we wanted to do.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
And for those people who don't know what I do
in my practice, I'm a functional family medicine physician, which
means I try and get people cured. And since most
of the time when you have an organ in the
body not working right, the reason it's not working right
is the brain is telling it to work wrong. So
neurobiology is kind of something you get good at it.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
You know.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
I do everything from depression, anxiety, autism, all of these
things in my practice, so get pretty good at, you know,
reading facial expressions in body language. And when I was
talking to those legislators over COVID, it took me a
while to realize it.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
But what they're giving me is they're scared what are
they scared of?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
You know?

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Because I could tell that they're not reacting like they're
scared of COVID. And it took me some time talking
with them and the people who work with them, and
then a couple of them who would actually get into
you know, into closed doors and hey, you're not on
the record, right, And what they were afraid of was lobbyists.
And that's when I realized that we misunderstand how legislators
work as people. We've we've been looking at this from

(06:52):
the angle of are they good or bad people? Are
they you know you cowards or not? It's usually more complicated.
And began to realize, oh, I see what's going on here.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
There's two things that scare your legislature.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
And he's usually, especially at the state level when he's
a part time legislator, he's actually got his heart in
the right place most of the time, at least when
he first goes into the legislature. He really wants to
represent his constituents. He wants to live in reality. He's
not psychotic. But he's got two big things that he
and his colleagues are afraid of. The first one's election

(07:27):
integrity because they know that somebody's out there. If there's
computerized voting, it's manipulatible, and if you show up on
the radar, the guy who can manipulate it, he's going
to go against you.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
But probably the biggest.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
One is that somebody's going to pay for somebody to
run against me in the primary. It is not fun
to run for office, and we should all give our
credit to the guys who run for office. Most of
them are sincere at least when they start. They've gone
through a lot of ugly to run for that office.
To be made to do it again, and against a

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useful ignor aimus that some lobbyist has gone up to
and said, you know what, you're the right guy for
this job. We want to give you a mint of
money to go run for office. This is terrifying to them.
And so when a log gets filed or an issue
comes up that the way the legislature is supposed to
work is that we're going to debate the pros and

(08:22):
cons of all the different options for solving this.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
We're going to vote and come up with the right
solution to all our people.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
But when that instead comes up with a solution that
the guys with campaign cash don't want, but the constituents do.
You now have a legislator who is conflicted, and that's scary.
And I can tell you what most animals do when
they're scared is their first instinct is to hide, right,
And if they can hide, because the rules of the

(08:50):
legislature allow them to do that, they will make sure
the bill that would make them show whether they signed
on with the lobbyists or signed on with the constituent
ones comes up. They will do everything they can to
keep it from coming up for a vote so they
don't have to put their name on it. They're not
doing this with mushtache hurling.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Hey, I know I can sucker my constituents.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
They're like any other animal who's scared, and you give
them an opportunity to do this.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
They've got this really big problem.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
They know that every lobbyist knows legislative procedure inside and out.
This is what they do to beat up on legislators,
all right. They know their constituents don't know how that works,
which means they can't hide from a lobbyist, but they
can hide from their constituents. These rules give them the
ability to and those say they want to hide. So
realizing that, I was like, you know what, how these

(09:40):
rules work. Let's do a deep dive in this, because
you know, I'm a functional family to medicine doctor, so
I study boring stuff for a living, right, so why
not go study legislative procedure. That's not most movement want
to do on their Saturday night party routine, right, And
as you read it over, it was very clear that
these rules that had evolved back in the sixteen and
seventeen hundreds, when nobody tried to escape a debate that

(10:03):
was what you did back then, allowed them a way
to get out of it because these rules were antiquated
and designed for a time before campaign cash, and that
if we changed these rules, they wouldn't be able to
hide from their constituents. And that wasn't a bad thing
for the legislator. That was actually a good thing because
now he could actually do what he wanted to do.

(10:25):
He could raise his finger to the lobbyists and say,
you know what, they know what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Now they can track it.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
You can't hurt me, they can find out I did
it right, they can support me, and so I don't
have to take your campaign cash and be worried about
you anymore, and that that was going to lead to
finally fixing the logjam, that we could get these legislation,
this important legislation we need passed to get through. And
that's why I came up with the idea of, hey,

(10:54):
we need to first of all educate the constituency. This
is how it works. Your guy's not going home rich.
Everybody thinks their legislator gets rich. There's a few Nancy
Pelosis who are doing that, all right. Happens a lot
more at the federal level, but at the state level,
most of your representatives and senators aren't getting rich. They
run scared. They don't get carrots, they get sticks, and

(11:15):
that we can fix their problem, like we would fix
any problem with any frightened animal, by solving the situation
so that hey, you're frightened to the right thing, that's us,
and then you will learn to respect us, and then
you'll learn that we respect you.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
And that's where the rules changes the CCLA came from.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So what you're saying is that most legislatures on state
level don't get a whole lot of interaction from their constituents.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
You know, they don't get a lot, but I think
what's even more important is they may have constituents who
come in and say, hey, I want this, But what
they don't have as a constituent comes in and say,
I know why I haven't been getting it. They have
a lot of people who come in and foam at
the mouth in front of you, dirty bastard. You didn't
do that, but you know you said you were going

(12:02):
to do blah blah blah, And they.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Don't understand, dude, you do you understand what happens.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
When I go into caucus. I got my colleague in
here who's in a purple district. He is running scared
from lobbyists, and they all say to me, we're not
going to let your bill come up for a vote, dude,
because that will cost his campaign cash and we got
to have that stuff, and we don't want them putting
somebody else against us. And because this constituent doesn't walk

(12:27):
a mile in the shoes of the legislator, the legislator
knows he can't support him because he doesn't know what
to do. That's why we work so hard on educating
constituents on the idea. Look, the first thing you have
to do here is make sure your legislator knows you
do know what's going on, because that's the information he
needs to stand up against the lobbyists. And so it's

(12:51):
not that they aren't having interactions. It's that they're having
interactions and what they learn from those interactions is my
constituency doesn't know how to help me. And so what
we need is constituents to understand, Okay, I get it. Now,
you're not getting rich, you're not a horrible, nasty person.
You have a wife and kids, and you work right.
You're just in a really bad system. Well, let me

(13:14):
tell you how to change that system. And now you know,
I've got your back when you change that system. And
that's the message that we needed them to have. That's
why the local legislator is doing such a bad job
because he thinks his constituents don't know how to help him.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's an important aspect, you know, people need to realize.
That's part why we want to have you on the
show is because hopefully folks listening will get an idea
of well, you're saying the right things here, and I
think some people need to hear it.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
As a matter of fact, that was just last week.
There's a week ago. I was doing a lecture for
a group here in Indiana who's getting ready to join
our coalition, I might add. And I told him, look,
there's I showed him the slides that here's the rules
of what you do.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
When you go in with your legislator.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
You start off with an apology, and what you apologize
for is being disinterested and unengaged.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
About how his job worked.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Start off with that, not because it's good psychology, just
because of that, but also because it's true, all right,
And then tell him, look, I'm sorry that we've had
your job description so twisted for this long time, and
I've been an unengaged employer, but I'm going to be
an engaged employer from now on. I need to change
your job description. I think this is going to be

(14:26):
better for both of us if we do this, and
I've got your back if you do it right. My
second choice thing is to replace you because you can't
accept the.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
New job, all right.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
And with that attitude towards him, it actually solves the
legislator's biggest problem, which is that he thinks his people
don't have the ability to support him because they don't
know what's going on. And that was The whole idea
of CCLA was, Hey, look, we're educating constituents and and
legislators at the same time why this system is broken.

(14:58):
And I think it's important for people to know most
legislators have never thought about the rules as being a problem.
People need to kind of know how a legislator learns
these rules, because you know, they don't.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Usually know them when they go into the legislature.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
But after you get elected, you go into something called
orientation day. An orientation day is when they teach you
how the legislature works. First of all, you learn the rules,
and then second of all, you learn how to hob
nob and do all that backroom dealing.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
And it's going to be good. And you get schooled
in this way of doing it.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
It's the only way you've ever known, and so you
don't understand how to change it because you've never thought
about it.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
This is what you learn to do.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
The example I use for people, Look, my dog can
outrun me, but she'll come running up to me to
let me put the leash on her collar to take
her for a walk, because she never gets to go
for a walk without her lee shot. And this is
what we're dealing with When you're talking with the legislator,
you know they've they've been taught this way of doing it.
These were rules that evolved with three four hundred years

(16:01):
ago at a time when campaign cash and computer elections
didn't exist, and they haven't really thought about this.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
You know, this is the way they've been schooled to
doing it.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
So we're teaching both the constituents and the legislators at
the same time.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
The look for representative government to work.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Your eye has got to be on your constituents and
not on that lobbyist. And here's some changes that'll make
that possible.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
I got a bad taste for the lobbyist when I
ran for the state legislature, because you've got to go
kiss the ring, so to speak to me. I wasn't
looking at kissing the ring. I was looking at people
that are interested to hear what I had to say.
Because I wasn't taking campaign donations. I refused donations and
spent only my own money twenty three thousand dollars to
run for the office, an office that historically the Republican

(16:48):
running the race only spent ten to twenty thousand dollars
on total. But five of us ran and it was
close to four hundred thousand dollars was wasted on that race.
And what I discovered from these lobbyists is that while
they have nice, glitzy websites that proposed that they're for
this position or that position, that's not what it's about.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I'm going to sum up what you just said.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
In my view, it's about who's the most useful idiot
that we can get in office. Because when they asked
me my thoughts and how much money I was going
to spend in a campaign, I said, well, given that
there's five candidates, it's a primary, it's only seven weeks away,
because it was just just moved up, I'm asked him,
and I'll spend between five and ten thousand dollars. And
they almost laughed at me. This one one group of

(17:27):
lobbyists who said they're for small government, And I said, well,
I didn't say why you're laughing about.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I said, what is it?

Speaker 7 (17:32):
They said, well, that's a very unrealistic expectation. You're going
to put more of your own money into this than that.
So they were just concerned how much my own money went.
And the irony is the person who won the race,
who got the one hundred thousand dollars of money from
these lobbyists, put none of his own money into the race.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And that's what they back because there's a useful idiot.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
And the other irony of this whole thing is that
is that they asked me, They said, why are you
going to spend that so little? I said, well, because
I've looked at the race and historically for a primary
for Republicans, no more than you know, I forget the
number I said at the time.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I said, no more than about ten twelve thousand people.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Show up for the primary, even though there is forty thousand,
you know, thirty thousand districts. I said, I would expect
if for this primary might be more interest. And in order
to win the race, you probably need between forty two
hundred and forty six hundred votes, and with five candidates
splitting the vote, that means you need few revealtes so.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'll be able to focus my effort. Well, they laughed
at me.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
That actually openly laughed at me right there, because they're
idiots and don't know what analysis is. The person who
won the race had thirty eight hundred votes. The vote
was split. He won by three hundred votes. It was
thirty eight hundred, and then thirty five hundred, and then
twenty six hundred, and then you know, one thousand and
six hundred, and it just it just showed me how
little they care about democracy representative government. All they care
about is advancing their agendas and they want to useful

(18:40):
idiot and they've gotten themselves usefulity for the last two years.
Who has done nothing, nothing, whatsoever in the state legislature.
If it wasn't for the fact that he's on the
ballot to get re elected this year, we wouldn't even
know he's running.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
It's your point is very well taken, and even a
very good legislator who really wants to get things done
knows that these guys can find a useful ignoramus. And
I tell people, I prefer the term useful ignoramus because
they actually get these guys and give them the idea that, hey,
we're going to help you get into power and you're
going to do great things. And what this ignoramus sees

(19:13):
is the shiny thing if I'm going to be able
to do good things.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
He doesn't realize.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Now, once you get in there, dude, we're gonna have
you so stuck in Stockholm syndrome that you can't even
think about anything but what we want.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
You to do.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
But you're not wise enough to see that we're going
to do that to you. And we selected you because
you're so good at ignoring reality that you'll fall for it.
And you know, there's a I have seen this happen
more than once where you get somebody's like, you know what,
you are, not the sharpest tool in the shed. I
can't believe you're in my legislature, but I know how

(19:45):
you got here. You're just gulible enough and just you know,
power mad enough that they can recognize you, and they
can smell you guys like a mile away, and they'll
go give you campaign cash and that'll get you addicted
to them, and you don't even see that happening.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
So you know, Chris, you're quite right.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Your experience is exactly the thing we want to break,
and we have to break it starting at the grassroots level.
In fact, one of the things where we just had
one of our supporters of the CCLA here took on
an incumbent who outspent her I'm going to estimate fifteen
to one, all right. It was just crazy and beat

(20:28):
her by six percentage points. This is a grassroots effort
that almost took down an incumbent, very wealthy incumbent, might add,
and almost took him down for very little money.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Six points is a very poor return on investment for him.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Yeah, that's right, that was the whole goal. You know,
you want what you would have loved to see. Does
every other legislator look around and say, wait a minute,
that he only won by six points and he got
it's been how much you know? That's the best example
I love is mister Trump in twenty twenty four, what
do you got to spend two to one by the
Democrats and got their heine handed to them. It's like, guys, look,

(21:08):
grassroots start getting mobilized here and this propaganda isn't working
like it used to.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
It used to be you could.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Run an ad on ABC and everybody says, oh, it's
an ABC, it must be real. And now if he's like, yeah,
ABC's full of cramped, you know on listen to that.
This is the best time in the world for us
to be trying to fix our legislatures because people are
realizing that campaign cash that buys that glitzy ad that's

(21:36):
like telling me so and so has MD behind their name,
doesn't really mean they're a good doctor. All right, And
the grassroots and says, well, have you heard about Joe.
You know, Joe doesn't got a lot of campaign cash,
but hey he supported CCLA. Oh really, yeah, he wants
to reform the legislation to reduce lobbing. Oh okay, and

(21:56):
all of a sudden thro the grassroots.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
That can work.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
And then you've got the guys right for office having
the confidence to look as you did Chris at that
lobbyist and say, no, I don't need your money. I
can make this work through the grassroots, because I'm going
to be able to show the grass roots when I
got in everything I did on their behalf, and it'll
be documented that I did on their behalf. And then
you can come out and try and tell them that,

(22:19):
you know, I kicked my dog and fork the cat
and all those things. But I think they're going to
see I voted the right way and that I didn't
run from a debate. I got in there and I
voted against you lobbyists, and that's probably going to work
for me in this election.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
The irony with all this Dan is that you know.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
I guess maybe it's just those who are who follow
politics and maybe politicos or so to spa on with
the term is I'm scientists, But so that's my fault.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
But the irony is this.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
We've known about K Street lobbyists in DC for thirty years.
I mean, it's been a topic we've talked about in circles,
but it hasn't caught on and resonated with the average
Joe or Jane on the street. And I think the
point you're getting at now is it is catching on
that this is just a bunch of nonsense that these
people are. They're cancers to our society because they're only
advancing their interests and they dress themselves up. I see
increasingly less convincing ads, like right now, they're trying to

(23:08):
unseat Scott Perry here in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
He used to be leader the Freedom Caucus.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
He's my representative and if I was gonna run again,
that's the seat I want to run for. But Scott
has no in inclination to leave office anytime soon, so
but that's he their running ads and Scott Perry voted
every time with Trump, and most people like, yeah, okay,
I like that. And the other thing is they think
that's gonna defeat him. Then they're like, and he voted
to raise tax I'm like, well, wait a second. This
guy has a has a you know, a conservative score

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that's so high up in there it makes us you know,
it gives us light.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
There's almost no oxy up there. He raised taxes. What
did you raise taxes on?

Speaker 7 (23:41):
In the past, people just would have bought that, But
now they're going, wait a second, Okay, was it part
of a bill in which this rider was stuck in
there and he didn't raise our dog license town? I mean,
people are asking those questions now, which ten years ago
they weren't asking. I think the COVID scam finally woke
a lot of people's eyes.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Up after the fact. It took a while, but after
the fact.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
But those is that so Dan, if the audience doesn't
know offline, I was chatting with Dan, and I think
he I thought I was asking himself censor.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I wasn't.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
But but you know, I paid a heavy price for
being a truth teller and telling the facts for someone
that understands epidemiology, and and and and YouTube destroyed my
business because of that, and and I want some of
that one point eight billion if that fun comes back.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Well, you know, uh, I think the nice thing about
all tyrants, tyrants live in psychosis. In fact, I used
people to discuss the term the psychosis of tyranny, which
is me, little by myself, is powerful enough to overcome
all these people. And eventually they get so psychotic. I
can sell them heat and tell them it's cold. They

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really get to that, and once they've practiced been that
way bad enough, they'll come out.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
With some ad that says Chris is a.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Woman, and everybody can look at him and say, you know,
I don't think that's a woman.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
And now the next time they come out with their
next ad is like, oh, you're gonna make an ad.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
No, you're full of it. I know you, sense I
learned to ignore you.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's where we're at. You know.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
CNN is like, you know, CNN's been letting go of
people and they're losing ade chairs.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
You're like, look, nobody's watching you anymore.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
I read that the Los Angeles Times newspaper actually went
bankrupt because we're like, no, we're not buying in this.
Propaganda's not working. Because COVID kind of told him, Wait
a minute. They overstepped badly.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
They said, we're gonna tell the lie that black is white, and.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Everybody went, wait a minute. What.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
But you know, you got understand when you're a tyrant,
you've been doing this so long, you don't realize you
can't sell black is white. And so they drubbed their
ding and the next thing, you know, everybody's realizing, Okay,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
The system doesn't work.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Nobody trusts our healthcare system anymore, and they shouldn't, you know.
Right now, it used to be that everybody said, I
hate Congress, but my congressman's good. Now it's become I
hate Congress, and hey, what are you like? All right,
are you part of that problem? It's because coming more
inquisitive into the don't just give me the fluff, and

(26:04):
especially if we show them, hey, this is how the
fluff has been made in the past. All Right, they're like, Okay,
I don't want any more fluff. I want to change
the systems. We don't have fluff. I don't want you fluff.
I want to right now. In fact, I can tell
you the kind of success we're heaven here in Indiana
and twenty twenty four, I think we had.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Four candidates running for office.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
Who endorsed the CCLA. In twenty twenty six, we had
through the entire thing. So far, we've had fourteen. Back
in twenty twenty four, if I sent a note to
an incumbent and said, hey, somebody in your race has
endorsed us, we want to talk with you about that,
I would get back more crickets than a Bill Gates

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food factory. This year, I have an establishment candidate that
I spoke with earlier today who was getting ready to
draft a letter of some degree of support for CLA.
I have an incumbent senator who put it in writing
that he supported the majority.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Of our proposals. Wow, all right, put it in writing.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Okay, So, by the way, one of our CCLA supporters
beat his incumbent Republican senator in a heavily Republican district.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
As possible. You're showing that it's possible. But jan I
would I would argue along with that. Let me I
want to get your thoughts on this, because during the
COVID scam, they actually successfully frightened tens hundreds of millions
of people into being sheeap into being sheep, completely ignoring
the science about how you respond to an epidemic or
a pandemic, in which you isolate the vulnerable, you quarantine

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the infected, and the herd goes about its business developing
her community. That's I mean, that's we've known that forever,
but they completely ignore that. They to the point where
people would call up the cops if you're walking down the.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Street not wearing a mask at one point, remember that nonsense.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
All of these people who are complicit and everyday citizens
in this scam either have regrets now or ashamed of it,
and they're all hiding, and many of them have become
enthusiastic supporters of calling out everyone else, which I think
is fascinating because I can point to these people who
acted like lunatics, like you know, you know, it's like.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
She's a witch. No I'm not.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Yeah, she just look at the nose. They put the
nose on me? No they did, Oh yeah, well we
did the nose. Okay, you know, money Python. I mean,
it's almost like we were watching a mighty Python movie,
except the consequences were tragic.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
All these people who supported.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
Tom Wolf and Murphy and governor you know, grope a
lot there in New York, putting COVID positive patients into
our nursing homes and murdering tens of thousands of our
grandparents or septagenarians, autogenerians and ulterinarians. All of these people
who are complicit in that average everyday citizens forgotten their
role in it, and many of them are very enthusiastical
now questioning the system. I don't want to give a

(28:50):
free pass, but I just want to say it's ironic,
and I think a lot of that is what's playing
into this too.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Do you think does that have any merit that that
that that position?

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, I mean it's completely true, and I can tell
people when it started to fall apart.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
It was when the first shot went in and somebody
died the next day.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Also, is like, wait a minute, that was supposed to
be safe and effective and make this all good. And
then you know, my buddy got a shot two weeks
ago and he's got COVID.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
You just got a shot two weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
But if you if you get this shot, then you
you know it's not gonna be a severe Okay, I
want you know it's gonna be less severe.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, So if you don't die, you will be less severe.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Well yeah, I guess not dying is less severe than dying,
but that's the way they coach.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
But from God, it'll be less severe.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Remember all the medical professionals and nurses dancing in hospitals
and all this stup. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah, well you understand. You have to understand. This is
the mistake that a retiremant makes. You know, Hitler thought
he could snowball everybody forever when when the bombs started
falling on Berlin, it was kind of hard to play
to buy the we're invincible Germans, so we're we're.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Winning on the Eastern Front and there's Russians outside.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I mean, you have to understand.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
That's the psychosis that happens to a tyrant, and pretty
soon he ignores the.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Idea of wall.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Wait a minute, I'm going to get them all to
take these shots, and they're gonna buy it. It's like,
what are you going to do when the first one
strokes out?

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Well, you know, the East Germans didn't see it coming.
They didn't see it coming. They were the architects of
their own demise, and they didn't see it coming. And
they made one mistake and then within a batter of
weeks and months, the whole thing collapsed.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
The wall came down.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
South Africa's government's on the verge of that right now.
They've ignored their population for so long that black South
Africans want to get tarn feathers and string them all up.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's amazing.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
I think the point you're making is that these people
believe their own press.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
That's what they do. That's a phrase I've always used.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
I said that about for a long time, about some
you know, prima donnas who believe that they're actually more
important than someone else.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
But I mean, unless it's a sea section.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
We all come out of the womb the same way,
you know, and we're all leaving this earth at some point.
We have no control over that, and nobody's better on
anybody else. It's how you apply yourself and what you
do in life. But these people believe they're on press,
and they think they're in vulnerable. I think they're untouchable
and pride come before the fall.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You know.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
I always tell people to take a moment to have
compassion for the tyrant.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I said, what, yeah, I know that's the face you
give me. Guys, we think about it in nineteen thirty three.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
If the people, if the UH governance of Europe would
have gone to him and said, you build that damn
military and we'll run through you like shit through a goose,
all right.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Had they stood up to him.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Adolf Hitler wouldn't have been swallowing a bulletin Cyanide in
nineteen forty five.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
And so we have a.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
Tendency to let this psychosis get out of control until
it's got millions of people killed, instead of saying, look,
it's not compassionate for us to let you live in
that la la land that you have power. It's cowardly
that we let you live in that la la land
that you have power. We outnumber you, we're not ignorant
like you are, and we're gonna knock your shit around eventually.

(31:51):
Choose my language, because we're going to knock you around eventually.
We're going to do you a favor and box your
ears right now.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
And if we do that with these guys, it's you.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I say.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
I always tell people, go to your legislator first and
try and get him on your side. Apologize, make sure
he understands it, but then make sure he understands there's
a stick. If you don't take the carrot, and you're
not throwing in that stick because you hate him, you're
doing that stick because look, when this thing finally comes down,
we don't want to have your neck in the noose.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
So we're going to try and teach about how bad
this is because.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
We want you to change, and if you don't, we
want you to get out before we have to kill you.
All right, that's the way we would like this to go.
Have a little compassion for your tyrant because remember there's
a component that helped him become tyrannical, and that was
you being willing to ignore the fact he was being tyrannical.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
Again, I think, I think part of the problem with
so many people in so many places is they just
don't see the tyranny encroaching on their daily lives.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
You know, one day we're nice.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
The next day we elect this lunatic who wants to
fundamentally change America and does so and destroys race relations
in this country. And here we are, almost twenty years later,
on a path that we're just now starting to come
back from.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
And we're not alone. I mean, look at the UK.
The UK is gone. People are up in arms, the
streets of Belfaster on fire in Ireland.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
You know, the Irish are only seventy percent of the
population now, and all these benefits given to people who
shouldn't even be their false asylumn mi speekers, economic migrants
who have no desire and integrate and similate in society.
They're not irishit they run around and probably proclaim they
have Irish passports so they don't get body cavity searches
going through through airports.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
It happens so slowly.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
You know, there's an analogy that that Siram Oppos, the
leader in South Africa, talked about years ago when is
negotiating the end of apart tide, the transition to a
multiracial government, and he said, you know, he told people
a private but was recorded.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
He said, you know what we'll do. It's like a
frog and a pot.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
We'll just turn up the heat slowly and a frog
won't know they're boiling until it's too late. And that's
the stage I think we got out in society. And
look at California. People think it's perfectly saying to have
everyone compete in a jungle primary. A purpose of primary
is for a political party is select its candidate, not
for the state to pick who's going.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
To run in November for you know, check the block election.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
I mean, the whole thing is asinine, to say the
very least, absolutely ridiculous. I mean, I try to explain
to my foreign audience, could have a large audience that
they don't understand caucuses and primaries, and I said, well,
the caucus is run by the political party. They may
handle everything, they pay for it all, they vote locally,
they get the results, and you get the results in
one night.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Look at Iowa.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
Small states to take care of primaries are what the
tax payer does as a kindness for the political party
to help them select their candidate for the November election.
And when I explain it that way, they get it.
But look look at California. People just like I can't
believe that they think this is a good system and
almost backfired on them until Trump endorsed Steve Hilton and
then Chad Bianco fell down it. But they were the
top two candidates before that. But my point here is

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that we got a lot of frogs in the pot
and they don't realize that the water temperature is rising
almost until it's too late, and.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
That's where we're at. It's too late in the UK,
maybe it can be turned back. It's too late in Ireland,
it's too late in Germany. It's not too late in America.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
And with Trump here, we're lowering the temperature finally.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
You know, I think your point about the idea that
I always tell people when people say, hey, do you
really think this kind of psychological conspiracy is going on?
I tell them, guys, look, it's not only going on.
These guys are good at it. They make Joseph Goebbels
look like a rank amateur.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
All right.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
They knew that the way you do this is you
don't scare them all at once. You get them ready,
a couple movies about viruses and getting there, yeah and one, yeah,
get it, get it all built up here, and then
we'll drop the bomb. Now, they miscalculated because, like I say,
they're ignorant, they're psychotic, all right. But they had this

(35:43):
idea that you don't go do it all at once.
Shock and awe will make them realize you're trying to
shock in awe them. But you know, the problem is
that assumes that the manipulative psychotic is so much smarter
than the people that he's manipulating that he can pull
it off forever, and unlike the frog in the pot, human.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Beings have a lot better processors, all.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Right, And after a while we do get smart at
the Wait a minute, Granny just died after she took
that shot. And Billy Bob next door, who wouldn't wear
a mask no matter what I said, he's never had COVID.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Wait a minute, and after a while.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
The other thing that they don't calculate on is using
fear as a weapon doesn't work forever, because if you
frighten them of an event that never occurs, then they
eventually stop being frightened of it and you can't amp
it up anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh you can't cry well forever.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
That's right, And so it's like eventually they come back
to the reality that, no, that didn't happen, right, Especially
when you do something like scare though something worse like
the shot, they begin to realize, wait a minute, I've
been deceived, and then they recognize, oh, you're doing that
manipulation thing. So we're a little different than frog in
the pot. I tell somebody, I.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Think in the end we're going to find that all
tyrannies fall apart.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
The question is going to be how many buildings burn
and how many people die.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
How many people suffer in order to get to that place.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
That's that's the challenge, and and that's the sad part
about it. And that's for some countries, that's a path
they're going to go down there where people are going
to die and and bad things going to happen.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
That's unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
But bankrupt, I mean, I tell yeah or that.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, well, we're headed towards insolvency ourselves.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
We can only print money for so long, thirty eight
three and forty threeion dollars in debt, which is double
what it was a decade.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's insane.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Yeah, but I tell us what we think about this.
You know, we're not nearly as tyrannically organized in our government.
To see, the Chinese Communist Party is the Chinese Communist
Party has an even lower birth rate.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Than we do. Their standard is living is damn near squalit.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Out the pop poverty.

Speaker 7 (37:49):
They have hundreds of million people, but seven many people
still living in abject poverty. You go fifty miles from
the coast, the country is a disaster. They have cities
where nobody even lives there because they built it to
build resource.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah. No, China is not the dream that people make
it out to be.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
They need on average six to ten percent GDP growth
per year for the next forty years just to.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Catch up with us.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
And people say, wait a second, but they have sixteen
tree in inconmy, you have thirty four three.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
They're gonna catch up.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yeah, the same standard, living the same per capita GDP.
It'll take them that long.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
They're not going to get there.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
You'll also remember their country is polluted beyond belief right now. Absolutely,
at the end of the day, when you look at it,
the United States still has the most favorable situation going
on in the world right now. And you know, that's
kind of the thing we want to do with the
CCLA is to say, hey, look, concentrated power is bad
for every human. It's bad for the guy who has

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the power because it makes him get psychotic. It's bad
for the people he gets power over because he does
psychotic things to them.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Decentralizing the power, which.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Is basically what we're doing in the CCLA in a legislature,
we don't want you to right now. Effectively, you vote
for a senator and representative. You give in the power
to make laws in your behalf. He walks in votes
for these rules, gives away all the power, and he
wants to give it away because that way you can
hide behind the guy. He gave it the power too.
He doesn't know it's what he's doing. Most of the time,

(39:08):
that's what he's doing. Our goal is no decentralize the power.
Don't give that power to the speaker, House, the president,
pro town, don't give it to the committee chairman. We
want you to keep that power. And now you don't
become psychotic. He doesn't become psychotic. And the other psychotic
guy who wants to beat the two of you up,
he doesn't win anymore. And the United States, you know,

(39:29):
if you can say anything about the United States Constitution,
the separation of powers is one of these ideas that
occurs has occurred nowhere else in the world. I mean,
this is the brilliance of seventeen eighty seven, is that
these I always tell people, I'm amazed that people who
know nothing about neurobiology did this good a job.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Now, we were unbelievably blessed at the right time, in
the right place, with a collection of minds. And today
in a broadcast I was doing someone in South Africa,
someone was being snarky, came out and said, yeah, because
I did the preamble for the decoration Independence because we're
approaching that day.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
And it came back in the chat and they're like, wow, yeah.
But as a bunch of white men, they did no, no, no,
read the Federalist papers.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
It wasn't for white men. They had the ideal. They
knew that they weren't there, but they knew where they were.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Going with this. That was altimately the plan. It's so
frustrating for me. But I got to say, Dan, you've
got a lot more confidence human beings than I do.
I mean, frankly, if the Chinese were giving me a
social credit score, I'd have zero because I don't comply
and there are no sheep in my circle.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
And I'm telling you that I'm not convinced. I think
there's a lot of frogs in the pot still, and
people just are completely ignorant and blissfully unaware of what's
going on around them. But enough people are awake and
paying attention as opposed to woke awake.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
You know, I tell people, look I'm not Pollyanna. I
recognized the fight's not done yet. After all, we've had
more candidates respond to us this year than ever before.
But I can tell you the Democrat candidate for secretary
of State still hasn't responded. I've got two different candidates
for the Republican secretary of State who have responded to

(41:03):
CCLA all right. One of them's endorsed it entirely. The
other one's going to decide how much he's gonna endorse.
He's already told me a I agree with some of
it at least, But the Democrat, now multiple contexts, said nothing.
The incumbent Republican told me three times he's going to
meet with me, never said anything. So I don't live Plana.
We got work to do here, but it's starting to

(41:24):
make the changes we need to say have happened. And
remember we're not frogs. We got a little bit more
processor than the poor frog does.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
But damn sorry, Dan.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
What you're doing though is I don't want to say
it's God's work, but it's certainly worked that citizens need
to see.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
We need to have.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
People who try to hold our government accountable for its actions,
you know.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Inside government especial at the federal level.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
People are so accustomed to abrogating the responsibility and leaving
to someone else. Congress has basically given away its legal
responsibility as one of those separation of the of the
separation powers by allowing the organizations like the Environmental Protectionates.
He did turnment basically what laws are by policy. I mean,
that's an abrogation of the responsibility. And then, of course, famously,

(42:05):
at the first time around in the fake Russia collusion hoax,
Jeff Sessions recused himself and it just so he wouldn't
be can't blame me, I'm not involved. His job as
Attorney General was to make sure that anyway. So holding
politicians accountable I think is amazing. A lot of people
always think it's about you know, like you know, Nancy
Pelosi's visa deal and corruption.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's part of it.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
But you're trying to hold them accountable legislatively to do
their jobs as well.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yes, And I tell somebody, and this is not a
cruel thing you're doing to them, because guys, if you
let them get psychotic enough, they're either going to be
drinking cyanide and shooting themselves or we're going to be
shooting them.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
All right.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
You're being compassionate with the legislator when you say, look,
I'm your job, all right. I need your eyes on me,
not that lobbyist. I understand. I put you in this situation.
I let him run the roughshot over you before I
got that. I apologize.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
But right now, dude, the new job description is you
pay attention to me. All right. Your eyes are on me.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
You're running from me and I'm running with you. All right,
but we're doing this. That's the new job description. If
you can't accept that, then get out. But it's not
mean that I'm doing this to you because I don't
want to hang you ten years from now.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
All right. This is why we're doing this.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
I don't want your kid because I was actually talking
back in twenty twenty four with somebody who kind of
give me, well, you know I this is how we're
going to do things, and this will get people taken
care of it. I was like, when these tyrants have
enough power, do you think they're going to remember you're
the one who gave it to him, or do you
think or you think they're going to eat you for
dinner too.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Remember, they're getting psychotic every day, dude, that kuy're going
to Yeah, you haven't thought about that yet.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
After all, what did Hitler do with the essay after
he was done with him?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Kill a ball?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Pretty nasty, pretty nasty knight for Anthroom and everyone else. No,
that's and that's the thing. You look at this.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
As their circle gets smaller and smaller, they go after
after one targeted group. They went after the Jews, they
went after the Communists, and went after homosexual went after
mixed race Germans. Then it was the aristocracy, which had
been in power for centuries, and then it was the
it was the Catholics, but then they came for the
Protestants too, before you know, before you know it, it's like,
what's his name? The German pastor said, you know, I

(44:17):
didn't say anything when they came for the Communists, and
see that we came for the Socialists and so on and
so on. Eventually they came from me. There was no
one there to protect me. And that's that's kind of word.
But you gotta admit, Dan, I mean in a perverse way.
You got admit, you know, sometimes not holding these people
accountable has unintentional comedic relief. I mean, can't I can't
sit here and watch enough times of Joe Biden's stumbling
up the stairs Air Force one. I mean, you know,

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you tell by doing a kindness, I mean, a kindness
to Joe Biden would have been putting as misery in
nineteen seventy two, but we tolerated this moron until the
twenty twenties.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
I mean, come on, you know, I think if you
want comic relief, you can go watch a child learning
how to walk, and then you can love them when
they learned how to walk.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
We were watching a child learn how to walk because
they was Biden.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
You know, It's like, get it from somebody who's learning
me laughing and enjoy they're getting better. The shot and
Freuden and watching somebody get worse like Joe Bodden fighting
is like, okay, we'll have a few laughs in private
about that, but in public we should probably not say, wow.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Okay, we always feel bad for Jeff not.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
You know, I always tell people I have a little
bit of empathy for Hitler, all right.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
That doesn't mean I'm going along with him.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
As a matter of fact, my empathy for Hitler makes
me fight him, all right. That's the same thing I
would say to every legislator you know, look, I've got
empathy for your situation.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
That doesn't mean I'm gonna let you keep doing it fair.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
That's that's the message I would have every take out here,
because at the end of the day, remember what does
the other side do when you disagree with them? You
immediately go to name calling. They don't debate and name calling.
So I don't want you to go in there and
call your legislator names. That just ends up with the
same problem again. I want you to go in there
and say, look, guys, who understand how it works now,

(45:57):
and I understand the way it's been working this way
is partially my fault, but.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I'm not doing it anymore. And name calling, I'm not
going to do that. I'll just remove you. I won't
call you a name. I'll just remove you.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
But I'd really rather have you stay here and pat
your back and call you a good thing, all right.
And that's the difference between me and the tyrant, because
the tyrant's not going to do that. And that's how
you can get people to understand reality. There's a lot
of psychosis in a legislature. I mean, if you can't
imagine a psychosis. You've seen the video of Nancy Pelosi saying

(46:30):
for the Affordable Care Act, you have to pass it
to know what's in it.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Now read it after you vote for it.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
The think about this that somebody would say a statement
like that on record. Does that not indicate that they
are completely immune to what her own constituents were going
to say, whether he or well?

Speaker 7 (46:49):
What about ripping up the president's speech at a joint
session of Congress? You know, I mean that's that's a
bene federal violation of law. But so before we run
out of time here, Dan, I did want to ask
the following because I think this could be helpful for
other folks getting this business Coalition for Legilate of Accountability going,
What was the biggest challenge you've faced? I mean, maybe
it's finding I don't think would have been finding like

(47:10):
minded people. Is it getting your foot in the door
to talk to candidates and the legislations? What's the biggest
challenge people are going to face that they're trying to
replicate what you've done in Indiana.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
I would tell people what you don't want to do
is start off with the big organizations. Most of our
organizations are like we, the People of WE the People
of Carroll County, or Voice of the Patriots in Richmond, Indiana.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
If you go to some other group which is busy trying.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
To win the lobbying war at which there's a lot
of health freedom organizations that are like this, I'll not
name them publicly, but I can tell you of spoken
with them. They all say, oh, the legislature's broken. Oh,
here's how we fix it. No, that'll make them mad
at us. Well, dude, they already.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Don't like you. They like the lobbyists, give them, get
paid cash. Don't go to the big.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
Organizations because the big organizations already think they're going to
win this.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
They think they're going to outspend the lobbyist and win.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Or they like having the microphone in front of their face,
and they like there being a problem because it gives
them that people make donations to them and I get
to do things. It makes them feel empowered even when
they're not. So don't start there. Instead, start with the
smaller local organizations. Get that grassroots thing going. Remember, the
major thing is we've got to have people learn how

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this works. These grassroots organizations are almost all volunteer. They
don't have large donations coming to them. And as WHAC
starts to come about and that starts to make change,
then you're going to see bigger organizations actually say, oh, well,
I'm kind of becoming unimportant unless I do this. So
I can I can tell you We've actually had one organization.

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It was an organization I was a member of. It
was the founding organization in the CCLA. The state chapter
of that organization unanimously endorsed joining. And then this organization
is national and the national leadership, which by the way,
has concentrated power and is tyrannically designed itself, said no,

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we're not going to do that and completely obliterated their
ability to participate, and we even had to we had
to basically throw them out of the CCLA for non participation.
All right, So in duplicating this, don't get this grandiose
idea that first of all, you're going to get lots
of money and make this work. You're not out going
to win this warfare against the lobbyists. They've got more

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money than you do. That's a losing strategy to begin with.
You need volunteers. That means you're going to go to
these local freedom groups.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
You know we have.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
The Citizens Coalition sid ME, the Coalition of Central Indiana
Tea Parties here in Indiana. These are the kind of
groups Citizens in Action from Lafayette, Indiana. These are the
groups that you're going to go to and say, look,
here's a solution, here's why it works, and I will
be happy to give people the slide that I use
doing lectures here in Indiana. You can see how it
applies to your legislator, because well, there's a lot of

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these things happen in every legislature.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Some of them are a little bit different. Here in Indiana.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
We don't very often do voice votes on any bill.
We just make sure we never vote on the bill
we don't want to have a vote on. But in
many legislatures they actually pull it off by having voice votes.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
That's one of the changes we want to make in legislatures.
No voice votes.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
Everything, Every bill passes with a record of who voted.
How in fact, that there's a for the people of
Colorado you'll love this is a video of them approving
a law that's basically said, the state can consider your
failure to support your child's gender transition as child neglect,
all right, And so they had this lock them up

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there and they said all in all in favor, say I,
and there's like I all a pois.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Say nay nay.

Speaker 6 (50:54):
And then later the chamber goes the eyes have it,
and nobody challenges this. Everybody says, well, didn't they challenge
it because this was all scripted beforehand.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Guys, yeah, it's it's theater.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
And now they all know that nobody. They can all
go back to their constituents and say, I voted day
the Speaker of the House did that, but I voted
for him to have the power to do it. That's
the that's why some people look understand that, that's the
way the game is played. If you start off with
these local groups, they get this really quick. Oh, because
you're talking to a group of thirty people. Sometimes little

(51:27):
is thirty people. That's a big group when I'm doing
a lecture.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
But they get it. Okay, I get it. I say,
it works, it's common sense, makes sense. We changed the rule.
I didn't know this how it worked.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
And these big organizations they're going to come along because
it's like nobody's paying attention to us.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Well, doctor STC.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
We really appreciate you being back here on the common
Sense Conservatis.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
We're getting played off of right now.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
We'll be back at the top of the hour after
this break, folks with some more commentary and more common
sense Conservatives. Stick around, right hey, folks, walking back to

(52:14):
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he's not back on the air just yet, of course,
jump by my co host, Colonel John Gardner.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Of course, Colonel Chris White, just popping back on there.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
John, What did you think about the interview there for
the first hour went by pretty fast?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I think it did. Dan is excellent at what he does.
He's well spoken, and he definitely knows his business. And
I thought it was enlightening to hear somebody put it
in the perspective he did. And I see Chris related
with them really well on it, right.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yeah, they have an expertise and and those sort of things.
And of course that thing went by just like that
pretty quick. Just in there, listened to him. I was
just kind of droning, and I'm like, man, harken him
back to all the things that they got away with,
you know, during the scamdemic, right, I mean, just kind
of reliving all that and kind of remembering all the
lies that they told, all the things that they told,

(53:18):
the transference of wealth, all the things that happened, you know,
the greedy governance, the elections that were stolen that we've
seen on a regular basis of course, you know, speaking
of elections that are stolen, I mean, let's look at
Los Angeles and you know, California, for crying out loud.
I mean, you got a guy who was strongly in
second place and all of a sudden, eighteen thousand votes
come in out of nowhere and not.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
One for him.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
I mean, come on, now, If the pandemic, scandemn it
whatever taught us anything, it's governments are bolden and they
will lie, and they will cheat, and they will steal,
and they would do it to you in the broad daylight,
right in front of your face.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Again.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
If I learned anything it's that, And I just that
interview kind of sparked all that and brought it back.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
So yeah, moved rather quick. We at the top of
the hour, and now I got music playing behind me
up and I look over go, oh crap. Yeah, you know,
I was getting into what he was saying.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
For sure, you guys became listeners rather than the co host.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I got some of the and then I just kind
of fell back and let you guys run with it.
And I was enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I mean, yeah, yeah, Well, there's a lot.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
There's a lot to talk about here, Todd. Do you
want to talk about the elections California. We're going to
talk about the fact that we're back at war with Iran.
We're gonna have to talk about the FIFA debacle that
is this embarrassing World Cup.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
And then finally, I want to talk this hour at some.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Point if you don't mind, about social security, because isn't
interesting that nineteen eighty three they doubled a rate of taxation,
just raising my retirement age from sixty five to sixty seven,
And now here I am, all these decades later, as
I predicted nineteen eighty three correctly as a very young man,
there'd be no money, and the Siscurty Trust Fund is
expected not to be able to pay its benefits exactly

(54:58):
when I turned just three months before I turned sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
These masters, it's a conspiracy, Chris, Yeah, working against this
whole time.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Well, let's jump into that right away, since you you've
kind of prefaced it with that, and just launch into
whatever you want to talk about with him.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
What does add ind as we go along?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Okay, Well, for folks who aren't keeping up with current events,
it's something been talked about for a long time. So
security was on the verge of insolvency in nineteen eighty
two because of hyperinflation under Jimmy Carter in the nineteen seventies,
the oil shocks of seventy three and of seventy nine,
with the invasion of Afghanistan and the actions of both
packing seventy three, so social security was at the point
where it wasn't going to be able to pay out benefits.
There was no money. So what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill,

(55:39):
the Democratic Speaker of the House Representatives, worked out agreement bipartisan.
They doubled our rate of taxation, which was minimal at
the time. It was only about six and a quarter percent,
and half that was paid out of your checks. You
paid three plus percent of your check for Social Security
and then you paid your employer paid the other half. Well,
they doubled that, so now you're paying thirteen percent of
your income and Social Security, the six NA, six and

(56:00):
a quarter, twelve and a half, the six and the
quarter your employer pays, plus you're six in the quarter.
But then on top that you have to pay Medicare
and Medicaid. So if you're self employed, you pay eighteen
percent of your income for so screity, Medicare, and Medicaid.
And that was supposed to create a lock box, a
just fun where all the money would be for years,
which is just nonsense, because all they did is they
issued debt, they spent the money. They've been spending that

(56:22):
money that's been sitting in there for decades and lying
to us. And now we're at a stage where that
those chickens have come home to roost. And it's shocking
how many people are actually on soci screity and how
many gets so screity benefits. I mean, it's beyond comprehension
just how many. Let me just run through the numbers
for you here very quick. We're already a situation where
the SOI scurity administration doesn't take in enough money. One
hundred and eighty five million people are paying payroll taxes,

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and for the self employed, that's eighteen percent of their income.
For those not self employed, it's essentially twelve and a
half percent of their income. But you know, you know, yeah, well,
I mean it's because it's still eighteen percent, but part
of it's paid by your employer. So for nearly a
fifth of our income, one hundred and eighty five million
people are paying payroll taxes. They took in one point
four four to nine billion in twenty twenty five. One

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point three two three one tree in three hundred and
twenty three billion came from payroll taxes. Fifty eight billion
came from taxing Social Security benefits, which Trump is just eliminated.
So taxing the benefits the retirees who've already paid taxes
on an income.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
And then they made sixty nine billion from interest off
of the federal reserve.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
So the benefits they p had out were nearly two
hundred billion more in the same year one point six trillion.
So how many people are getting so security? Seventy million
people out of country three and thirty million people are
getting Social Security benefits, fifty six million retired workers and
their family members. Eight million disabled. We have eight million
people who qualified disability in this country. I think we'd

(57:42):
do some audits right there. I can't believe eight million
people are disabled and six million surboris of deceased workers,
you know. So see we're talking about seventy million people.
That that's about one out of five, one out of
four people that are getting so security in one form another.
That's a pretty frightening figure when you consider that. And
here's the deal. They are only going to have seventy
eight percent of the money that they need to pay

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out full.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Benefits when I retire.

Speaker 7 (58:05):
And like I said in nineteen eighty two in the
workforce and this deal was reaching eighty three, I said,
I'll never see social security. Honestly, I'll never see it.
So I have to make a plan on how I'm
gonna have money when I reach that.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Age, because they've already screwed me.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
They've taken two years away after way two more years
get full benefits because their mismanagement already and now here
we are with their mismanagement and the theft of the
money and the fund over the past forty plus years
and I'm about to reach retirement age and that money
will be there now, Todd, this one should scare you too.
At some point in the near future, these bastards are
going to come for our military retirement and start indexing

(58:37):
our military retirement or reducing our benefits and pushing people
into poverty. Because that is not guaranteed. That's in the
operating budget every year, and it's gonna be easy thing
to come after. It's not easy from political standpoint, but
they'll try to pass it off and the damage will
be done. That is coming. So I made plans as
a private to not count on social Security or count
on a military retirement check.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
To me, I'm entitled to those things.

Speaker 7 (59:01):
I've earned those things, I've paid into those things, I've
sacrificed those things.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
But if they disappear, I'll still be eating the premium
cat food. I can afford to do that.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Right man, as long as its premium.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, that's right. You know what's the one fancy feasts?

Speaker 7 (59:16):
This isn't too fancy, you fancy feast, that's the one
I was thinking of you. It's not fancy at all, right,
And you got to think about it.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Go back to the scamdemic, like we talked about and
how how, especially in recent years and decades, how they
went after veterans, you know, like oh they're unhanded or this,
or that they dehumanized veterans and to such a degree
so that whenever you do decide they want to come
for those benefits, it's going to be a lot easier
for them.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Well, and it's not just that we've talked about this
in the past couple of years, because the Washington Post
article that came out a couple of years ago in
which they tried to test the waters to attack our
veterans benefits, saying that you know, it's it's not right
that you so streated disability people only get this much
money where these veterans get this.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
But now stop stop, stop stop.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
First off, we paid, We paid with blood, sweat, and treasure,
and this is your responsibility to make us hole again.
That's what a va disability is. You're like, well, but
they can work, so they shouldn't be getting this money. Like,
what's that guy that's on Fox can never remember his name?
The hillbilly who's on there, who's missing both his legs,
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
A Johnny Joey Jones yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
Yeah, Johnny Jones, that guy marine, Yeah, who's missing both
his legs. Yeah, you know, that guy's making a half
a million, quarter million, half million dollars a year. They
want to pro rate his VA benefits based on his income.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Basically he wouldn't get anything. I mean, that's ridiculous. The
VA benefits aren't to pay him because he can't work.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
They're going to pay him to make him hole again.
It can't make him hole again. But it's a small
token of what the government is, what we've sacrificed to
the government. So, I mean, you know, it's they completely
started this argument, and they try to equate so security disability,
which people never have to pay a penny into. You
have people in disable their entire lives. They get so
security disability payment, never paid a penny into it. Now
I'm not begrudging them that payment. What I'm saying is

(01:00:58):
you can't equate that with a v A disability payment,
because if you a disability payment, it's not compensating someone
because they incapable of working. It's compensating someone like insurance.
If your targets total, you get a payment. If your
house burns down, you get a payment. It's intended to
make you whole. I know the process isn't plain pleasant,
but neither is a VA pension presently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Either the best you can under the circumstance.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Exactly, and that's what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
So these people, the leftists have been trying to already
attack veterans with this nonsense that you could see it
on January sixth, all the Applelander stores.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Oh look at all.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
These veterans, all all all these Yeah, okay, first off,
most of the people rested were in the sixty to
seventies were veterans who were Vietnam veterans or.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You know, they were all they were all out draftees. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Yeah, Well a number of people that were wearing camo
just wearing cameo because it's it's cheap and it's easy
to buy. And if it rips, who cares? You buy
another set of camos? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
Well no, but there are actually there were actually people
who are veterans who there are sixty seven. But a
lot of these guys were conscripts back before we went
to all volute force. They were trying to sully they
all volunteer force and acty. And I said this I
said this when the election was was the grift of
the election in twenty twenty took place. Remember, after we like,
what how do we lose? Pensylvania had it freaking you know,
one hundred and seventy thousand vote lead and there's only

(01:02:13):
one point two million of ballots left. In order for
Biden win this, he has to take eighty percent of
the ballots, and magically he won by sixty thousand. That's
the swing of two hundred and thirty thousand votes with
about a million votes left. That doesn't make sense, especially
given that thirty eight percent of the people asked for
a ballot were registered Republicans.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It just doesn't pass muster.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
But when they did that, I said, already watched they're
going to start coming after veterans, which after January sixth,
they came after veterans and then and I said that
before January six and then I said, they're eventually to
come after active duty and try to sully the image
of the active duty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
And that's what they've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
What you're talking about was my concern when they started
talking about Obamacare. Government wants to manage your healthcare. Government
wants to manage your retirement. But they're enough, they're inadequate.
They can't do it well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Government manages my healthcare. It's in it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
It's a pain in the butt and it's the reason
why I need a hip or placement because it's piss poor.
You know, if if they had addressed to the arthritis
in my hip years ago when I raised the issue,
uh before it got to the States, and I would
wouldn't have destroyed all the cartilage in my hip just
trying to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
You know, it's it's this is what happens.

Speaker 7 (01:03:11):
And so you know they are an appt and then
they have no business handling retirement. The only good thing
that the government has done for us as American citizens
when it comes to retirement in the past four decades,
in my mind, is the legislation that proved the wroth Ira.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
That's the only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah, well that that's that that's independent investment, right, You're
you're handling that yourself. They give you a path in
which you have handled it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
But what happens is that you're wroth Ira.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
Unlike if I if I invest, like if I say,
have I SpaceX and then the stock doubles in price
and I sell it and I have an a retirement account,
I got to pay taxes on it. But but with
an orth ira, that money you pay taxes up front
of the income and then the growth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Is tax exempt and what you take out is tax exemp.
It's brilliant.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
Yeah, so I'll they'll take that away too eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Just wait, oh well, of course. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Here's the thing how they do it is they have
what I call the fair share argument, the flawed fair
share argument. They're like, oh, this is not fair. Why
is he getting this this benefit that you've earned, mind
you through the VA, whether it's through your military retirement.
It's not fair that now, all of a sudden, you've
invested wisely, that you have all this money, You've paid
off your home, you have extra money to go on
a vacation or whatever you want to do your independent journalism.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
You can fund all that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
You know, it's not fair that Colonel Chris White haws
all this extra money.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
So they'll say, they wait a second, what extra money
do I have?

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
I'll say the money that you you you've earned through
your retirement, all this stuff. You know, they'll they'll be
able to take it away because it's not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
That you have it. It's a flawed fair share argument.
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Why does he get to benefit from that? You know,
so they'll they'll figure out a way to take it
away from you. It won't be an actual, real argument,
but it'll be a flawed fair share argument.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
That's that's just what I call it. So well, let
me just leave it at this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
My garage is full of bales of feathers and buckets
of tar.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Okay, all right, for the circumstance I will be that's
unfair that you have that right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Oh no, it'll be unfair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
You know what, time you got a point. I don't
have any tarn feathers in my garage. Chris owes me
some tarn feathers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I'm really put out, Chris. You haven't said for it
your tar and feathers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I have been hoarding the tar and feathers. That's true.
That's not fair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Now I gotta go two houses down and start plucking
the chickens in the backyard of the lady's house.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
Well, don't worry, we can pluck the politicians who were
tarred feather Then you get your feathers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Although the pre Tartan feathers that way, I don't need
the tar I just stick them back on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
So Ron, and now where are we with Iran? I mean,
we keep talking about this every week. You know, the
needle gets moved a little bit. Looks like we're gonna have,
you know, a ceasefire.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
There's gonna be peace.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
And the next thing you know that they're launching missiles
again or drones or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Wow, last I might I heard man, Trump's got every
reason to go after Iran.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
But we're going after We're body them at this at
this very minute, where there's a tax taking place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
No, it's on like Donkey Kong. They attacked an.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
Apache unprovoked in international waters, in Oman's waters actually, and
so it's not like Donkey Kong.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
We respond and they attack again. Trump said they get
what they deserve.

Speaker 7 (01:06:11):
So I if he shows a restraint now he's gonna
lose a lot of credibility. I mean, the bottom line
is this is that they have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
No interest in peace. They have no interest.

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
They're they're they're they're they're they're bluster. You know, if
you don't want to be injured, then get out of
our waters. Dude, you're gonna pound you into the freaking
Middle Ages. Just get ready for it, because it's coming.
This this is the arrogance of these these clowns. Is
this beyond comprehension. It is time to bomb them back
into the Stone age. The Mullahs that run this country,
they have no compunction. They murdered thirty thousand Iranians who

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were peaceful demonstrators earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
What they've done.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Their sponsors, they're they're their proxies in the hutis Hesblah
and Hamas are up to their same annex attacking people.
And then they keep drawing in the Lebanon issue, which
has nothing to do with this conflict. If they try
to do it, it is time to pummel them. And
that's what we're doing. And I I you know, here's
the other thing. There's a practical standpoint from a domestic situation.
As I said, along, Trump ideally wants this done before

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the fourth of July, otherwise it's going to put a
cloud over the two hundred and fiftyth anniversary of America.
And he definitely has to have it done before August first,
otherwise it taints the fall elections.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
And that's all we're gonna hear about is Iran. But
the bottom line is this.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
The reason the Rangeys are stringing this out is because
they know that, and they're busy building a nuclear bomb, right,
So they'll put it on an ICBM and fly it
so that a mid range missile so that it hits Israel.
It's just a matter of time. We need to go
internew and obliterate them. It's enough enough, done, done done,
It's time to go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Do you think Trump's strategy in this being passive was
to give Iran basically when being criticized and say, listen,
I've given a run fair chance. I even got net
Yahoo to stop firing on them prior to them this incident,
and now and now we can pretty much say it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
When he goes after, Hi says listen, I've gave him
a fair chance. People are begging for me to get
it done, and now it's time to get it done.
Do you think do you think he was kind of
like trying to show a good show a you know
long now.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
I think that Donald Trump had the same thing happened
to him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
That George Bush had.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
He got the yips all that George Bush and and
and Colin pal had to see was the footage of
the Highway of death, which wasn't a highway of death.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Almost nobody got killed there.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
You know, they took out the lead vehicle, the trail vehicles,
the rest of them jumped down their vehicles and drove
off the side of the road, and then we obliterated
the vehicles were left on the road. And so their
coward to show their political calories about how will people respond,
We're being a bully. And they ended the golf war prematurely,
and we allow the Republican Guard to escape that wasn't
mauled by us like the tele acondivision, but the Hamarabi
got away almost unscathed. And they might and oppressed and

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murdered tens of thousands, and the nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Continued for years.

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
I think Donald Trump got the yips the press. He responded,
he caved under pressure. Well, this is looking bad. We
needed to end. And he wanted to look like the
good guy, because you know, he said no more worse.
He should have finished the damn job and it should
have been over by now. And maybe, quite frankly, maybe
there's some truth the story we ran out of missiles.
You know, maybe we're out of a tacklems, maybe out
of maybe we're out of Patriot missiles for I don't know.

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Maybe there's truth in that story that the press been running.
I don't know what to believe the press anymore, because
they lie about everything. I mean, there was a Guardian
article that, by the way, I made the Guardian in
the UK, but the Guardian stole my breaking news story
about refugees in Ohio unable to get driver's license because
now they have to have like forty hours of drivers
training and they have to pay hundreds of dollars to
get a license. So I ran that story over a

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month ago the Guardian call window. It just ran a
story in the Guardian and then basically everything in the
story is a lie, and they go off by saying, oh,
they're trying to imply things. Well, these refugees have been
sent to Ohio where Republicans have put these owner's burdens on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
No, the o Hio legislature did that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
It wasn't Republicans and the Ohio, which for decades to
suffer from population de client.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
That's an outright lie. Look up the census. Every decade
Ohio has become larger.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
It's almost twelve million people instead about it's not growing
as fast as it did fifty years ago. But there
hasn't been a decade since the formation of state of
Ohio in eighteen oh three that has seen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
A drop in population all the way up to now.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
And in fact, in this decade last five years, every
year it's been growth on growth every year that's been
a larger population Ohio. This he got the yips. That's
a bottom line, he responded to the press. That's my
view on it. Or we really were out of missiles
and we needed a break to re stock.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
There was there was there was a concern when Biden
was the president, he was given most of our armaments
to Ukraine and uh, you know, our armaments and we
were getting kind of dangerously low. Then we were amping
production as a result. So by the time Trump came in, Yeah,
that's that's that's an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
That's the problem. You know, it's not like making bullets.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
I can go out and make you know, creates the
bullets overnight, but producing a patriot missile takes a matter
of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
It hasn't done overnight, right, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
We do keeping a certain well we're having weird glitches. Yeah,
we do need to keep a certain certain amount on supply,
right just in case we can't just go running ourselves
out and be undefended.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
So yeah, well that's the problem. You know, this this
this this effort by the demonic industry. Maybe it's funny
because Eisen and I were warned about the military district complex.
I worked the military district like some I'm like, give
me a break, give me a break. I worked in it.
It's not that big a portion of our economy. But
what is really happening is to keep the European economies
to float. They are relying on the military industrial complex,

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the German defense manufacturers, the Swedish defense manufacturers of British
they are selling weapons and the French to Ukraine, and
they're getting tens and hundreds of billions of dollars to
keep their economies floating, because otherwise they'd be in recession
quite frankly, and they are prolonging this war. They don't
care how many Ukrainians or Russians are dead. It's all
about their defense industry and they all want to protect.
Like just as democracy, Ukraine is that a democracy. It's

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a talitarian fascist state with a veneer democracy it never
has been a democracy. To call democracy as a joke, and
to see these Europeans do this, that's what Bibe was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
It's ridiculous. They have prolonged the suffering the war there.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
It should have been over a long time ago, the
Ukrainians anyway, it's look, these people are making money off
the war.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
That's why the war's continuing, and that's why it will continue.
It's not gonna end it. I remember we'reeing, yeah, John.

Speaker 7 (01:11:57):
We went to Seepack in twenty twenty two and that's
when this started. I arrived the night that the attack
was launched by the Russians and I got the motel
room after getting that crappy Mustang swapped out for a
proper car, and then driving to Hilton facility and they
didn't have the door machine work, and so I had
to find the guard who was sleeping, and he got
his the maintenance guy got his master key.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Let me in my room.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
I turned on my laptop, turned on the TV, and
I started to run the shower, and then Russi invaded.
I went live for an hour forty five minutes and
people asked me, I said, but how long was this last?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
This is February twenty twenty two.

Speaker 7 (01:12:26):
I said three to five years minimum, right, the videos,
there are the records there, they're like three to five years.
We told me, I said, you don't understand the underlying
circumstance here, and that's if no one else gets involved.
But we've got the involvement of all these Europeans. And
that's before Finland join NATO. Can you believe that Finland
as we can joined NATO? Sweet, I could see. But
Finland is shocking anyway, So you know, it's stuck these

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there's money to be made, and they're making money. And
I think that Trump got the yips. He got the yips,
just like George Bush did it over the Highway of Death.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Todd.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
You remember that the Highway of Death. Powell and and
and Bush got the yips and we ended the thing prematurely.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
Yeah, you're talking about, you know, the first gol War.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
That was mine. I wasn't in the second one.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
No, no, no, I'm just saying for those people out
there who don't remember the first goal War, the Highway
of Death. Yeah, And of course we did stop short
of going in into bag again, and of course we
allowed allowed the elite Republican Guard to escape whenever. We
could have probably eliminated seventy to eighty percent of them,
according to the documentaries I've.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Seen, easily we could have.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
We we had the progressive Look, I'm not arguing we
should have gone to back that that wasn't ours to
destroy the forces that were occupying Kuwait and prevent a threat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
And we had the ability to do that, and we
let them let them escape.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
Right Yeah, And that was the big problem there, And
like you said, he got the yips, and of course
I think he harkened back, you know, you know, hey,
we just wanted the Cold War, what happened in Vietnam.
This is a good win for America and in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Accomplished, right, mission accomplish. That's that's come on home. Uh,
you know, nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
But yeah, we left the problem in place that we
were gonna have to face at least a decade or
so down the road.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
And of course three we invaded a rock again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Anyway, that's my issue with Iran right now, it's finish
what you started exactly. We're gonna, yes, get it done,
you know, don't don't. And we've seen this problem before.
People pull out of it, and then we got continuing
problems and it started that breaking because now they're more
angry with us, right, they started the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Seventies so good, Like you said, declare were on us.
We did not. Look.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
I mean, you know, you can't do the job half finished.
I mean you can pull out, but she's still pregnant.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Oops. That was gross. Wrong, that was wrong. No, But
the point of the point is that Iran, you can't
just leave. You can't just leave. It doesn't work that way.
It doesn't work that way. If you leave, then they're
just Look, they're already declaring victory. I mean, they've been
obliterated in their declaring victory.

Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
So here's the thing, and this is what kills me
off the analyst on these fake news networks and mainstream Well,
Iran clearly still has capability to look at this, They
could still strike. Yeah, when the campaign started, they were
firing hundreds of missiles at night at Israel and at
bah Rain in a Kuwait. Now they're flying two or
three because they haven't got many and they're shepherding them. Yes,
they could still do damage, but that's the point. They

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could still do damage, finish the job.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Right, yeah, right, because like you said, they're building a
bomb for sure, right, and of course what they're gonna
be able to do, they're gonna be able to replace
all the other missile and of course drone technology and
improve upon it in the future. And the fact that
we can shoot down a lot of their drones fairly
easy now is going to be much harder in the
future as their technology gets better as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Yeah, no, that's a fair point.

Speaker 7 (01:15:37):
Somebody in the chat online program just said, that's why
I went from Desert Storm to this shield. Actually, See,
that's the thing about historians. We remember the events, especially
if we experienced them, it's not the way it went.
Desert Shield was the first operation deploying Truth from eighty
second Airborne from the Ready Brigade to as a speed
bump to prevent him from invading Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
That's the start of Desert Shield.

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
Desert Shield last until January what the seventeenth or sixteenth,
whenever it was, depending where you're at. I was in theaters,
so I think it was the seventeenth already, and that's
when it became Desert Storm. What happened after Desert Storm
was known as Desert Calm, which almost nobody knows.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
There is only a small number of people.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
Most people don't realize this, but those who were the
campaign ribbon for Desert Storm can have up to three stars.
Most people just put three stars on their default because
they don't know. They're not even authorized street stars. Three
stars are for the three operations Desert Shield, Desert Storm
and Desert Colm. You only get all three if you
were present for all three, and only about twenty thousand
of us were actually present for all three, only thousand,

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because the eighty second guys were pulled out before Desert
Colm started and a lot of the other people were
gone while we were.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Still back there, you know, cleaning up the mess.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
And then those who came after us got a campaign ribbon,
but they only get Desert Calm. So most people shall
only be wearing one or two stars. Only a handful
of people wearing all three stars. So I've got all
three stars. But anyway, that's Desert Shield, Storm and Calm.
That's the operations in.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
Order, Desert Calm. All right, this is the next documentary
in Desert Calm.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Colonel Chris Whye.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Well, you know what's ironic is And when I went
to Arizona to the intelligence officer basic course. In nineteen
eighty nine, I bought a brand new Honda CRX and
I got polar white because it's the desert.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Makes sure. Oh lost the colonel there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Well he didn't just freeze up. Oh he popped back
out on his zone.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
Yeah, I haven't seen the power drop, so I don't
know what's going on here. Was it just me that
dropped off?

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, you dropped out and brought it back.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
That's the second time.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
So yeah, you're talking about the new vehicle you bought.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
Yeah, so I bought this hont But I'm a little
curious because usually the power flox.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
So we've had some thunderstorms here. So the Honda that I.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
Bought that was treated, you know, because the desert, the
sand blowing, it kind of sand blashed your car.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
So they put a coat on it. And after I
came back from.

Speaker 7 (01:17:44):
The Gulf War, after Desert Shield desert storm, I walked
out to my car and I went to put something
in the back hatchback and I looked in that back
window and a little sticker was there. And the coating
the treated my car was called desert Shield.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Oh wow, that is funny. That is ironic. Isn't it
that had about at eighty nine, nineteen ninety, I was
in Desert Shield actually there, Oh my goodness, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Thinking at a CRX because you're a pretty tall guy.
Did you drive that driver that like with your knees
up into your chest?

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
So so the Civic, which was the same wheelbase, but
for some reason, the seats were mounted about an inch
and a half further back into CRX.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
It was just enough room for me to get in
that CX and drive it. But I if it had
been an inch closer, I wouldn't have been able to
do it. I couldn't get in the Civic. My knees
were literally jammed in my chest. It wasn't safe to drive.
But with the CRX I could do it. But since
then it's you know, it's it's V eights and bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, I remember that car. It was a small car.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yeah, it was amazing. It was a big seller.

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
And then they screwed up and called CRV or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
But also it was a four cylinder engine with like,
you know, a lot of horse power. It was really
awesome for it. It was one hundred and sixty eight
horsepower something like that. For a little bit engine like that,
and it was. It was just fantastic. It was a
great car. U took it all over Europe, traveled all
over the place with it. It accelerated really fast. Of
course you're close to the ground, so it feels like
you're going fast. But yeah, it had desert shield on its.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
You know. I knew that they sold it to BA
I didn't pay attention to. Then I went to the war.
I came back, I'm getting in the car. I'm like, huh,
I already had desert shield. I didn't have to go
to this damn war.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Very cool. And so how long were you over there
in total start to finish?

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
Well, not that long actually, I mean I went there
in December and I came back basically about in June,
so six months. But I went on the advanced party
for third but tiny eighth Cavalry and I went in
December and went over to Cement City and every night
was woken up by a rat the size of raccoon
who came into our tent.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I tried to catch him and kill him, but I
couldn't do it. He was clever.

Speaker 7 (01:19:46):
The first time I knew his there, I was lying
on my cot and I woke up and I'm looking
and there's a rat sitting staring at me, going, you know,
with his whiskers twitch, and I'm like, what the heck,
He's the size of raccoon or a small house cat anyway,
But yeah, so Cement City. Then I went out to
King Khali Military City and built our forward base out there,
Forward Operating Base and Tactical Assembly Area BUTTS. And then

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I was there until the war kicked off. And then
we went across the across the border and we fought
the tenth Infan Division from the iraqis the fifty second
Infty Division.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:20:18):
We eventually ran into the Tabacana Republican Guards Division who
shellacked that. That's that's left some indelible moments in my
memory that you know, somethings in life you forget, but
some things you don't. I remember our heir liaison officer
was there because they got to wear the cool desert camouflage.
We were wearing our green uniform still because we didn't
get any castra camouflage. And they're they're coming in there,
two F sixteens doing close air support and they're flying

(01:20:40):
around and and uh, the air low is like, no,
we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
The situation under control. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:20:44):
The the Bottaniic commander says, we don't need the air and
then the pilots I can hear him on his radio, Yeah, no,
you do need this basically had ordinance they had to drop.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
They want to drop it, so.

Speaker 7 (01:20:52):
We we we had these two have sixteens fly. They
did a frontline trace and the al is like, that's
over our troops. So they flew again their frontline trace
over the Tallacanians. In the meantime, all these soldiers were surrendering.
They're coming up with their hands up like this, and
we're bringing them in a couple hundred of them. And
then just as they reached our lines, the planes dropped

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their ordina tickets. See the bomblets, you know, like dpcim
just dropping like the little bombs dropping out like this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
And as I.

Speaker 7 (01:21:20):
Watched it fall this guy, it's like in slow motion
and it hit the main part of their of their battalion.
It's like it was like watching footage of Vietnam and
I'm just watching and I looked over at the the
guys who were surrendering and they all look back and
the like because if they had surrendered a few minutes before.
That would have been them out there like that stick
with you forever, you know, it's just yeah. So I

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I was up there, and then we went up to
the high all the way up to the highway to Basra,
and we were told to stop and from there, actually
when the war stopped itself, we were in the Wadi
Albatine that night.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
But then we went up to rotate and patrol and
we had to listen.

Speaker 7 (01:21:57):
We weren't allowed to go to a certain point in
the Iraqi said their check point, and they would pull
people out of cars. They would they would sexually assault,
rape and murder women. They rob people.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
We heard them executing people up there, and we couldn't
do anying about it. Were't allowed to go up there.

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
Was really was It was really if if you're gonna
get post traumatic stresses word, that would have been the
thing that did it. I could hear it all night long,
for several nights, but I wasn't next to it. If
I'd been watching in person, it might have a different story.
It might have been difficult to handle. And then eventually,
but in the midst of all this, I got to
do some unique things I was a Class A agent,
which is the guy carries the cash for those who
don't know that, yeah, right, And then they have a

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field arning officer because the army doesn't trust one person
do both things, so we have two officers. So I
was a class agent because that I got to go
to Dohron Airbase before the war started on a couple
of trips to go down to buy things for the
unit that we needed up there in the assembly area
but that we didn't have in the military stock. And
we went around and negotiated with the vendors buying crap,
and I saw how the Saudis behave and with they're
up to, and learn awful lot about them. But the

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trailing story there is when the war started. After started
a few days after the bombing campaign started. With the
air campaign, we went down to Doron Air Base and
I stayed in the quarters that belonged to Major General
Don Kaufman, who was the commander of United States Military
Training Mission to Saudi Arabia. Used to me in him
the first Air Force officer ever court martial by the way, anyway,
that came later, but his son was I was in

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my unit and we went there and we stayed in
his quarters. I didn't know that at the time, and
they had satellite TV and I could make a phone
call with a satellite phone all that stuff, and anyway,
I had a bed to sleep on, but I just
was in a habit now sleeping in my sleeping bag
because I slept on the floor. And during the night,
the air raid sirens went off, and then I got up,
I grabbed my kevlar, put my put my uniform back on,

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got ready to run out and do something, and got
my nine millimeter and there I was a forty five
wasn't nine milimeter? Then started forty five and then all
of a sudden I heard a loud explosion. When after
the explosion ended, I looked outside and a scud missile
landed about one hundred yards from where I was sleeping. Wow,
and it had been hit by a patriot or at
least exploded in vicinity, And it didn't, so it hit

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the ground without exploding. And then later after the later
the when the war, I used to go to Riod
quite a bit and I stayed in the building where
all the planners were staying at and I went to
the officers club and had breakfast with all these people
were executing the war.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
We were having Belgian waffles in the midst of a war.
I'll never forget that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:12):
Here I am, there's a war on, pilots are flying,
you know, and people are dying, and I'm in riod
in an officer's club.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Eating Belgian waffles. I'll never forget that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
So anyway, Yeah, it's some of the indeuible moments. But yeah,
so I was there for about six months on that
particular campaign.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Interesting, Yeah, very cool, very cool. So assessment on the Ukraine,
we brought that up. We talked about that. I always
like to bring it up whenever I have the lead,
just to kind of see where we're at. You know,
you talked about you know, we went to Sea pact
O two. You know, by the early morning, you were
on the air an hour and a half assessing, et cetera.
You said, three to four or five years, whatever, where

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are we right now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
What was the deal?

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Is this just going to be one of those things
that Putin has to die before somebody can bring the
troops out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Well, the Russians aren't giving up.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
There's going to be a coup and remove Putin and
then yeah, yeah, or Zelensky's gonna have to go. He's
gonna have to be overthrown by his government, and then
the Ukraine is capitulate. But as it is, there there
are plenty of Russians and Ukrainians that the Europeans are
willing to let die on the altar of their their
greed and their lies to the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Public about how this is so important. But it isn't.
I mean, Russian invadive four years ago plus, has democracy
ended in Europe? No? No? Is it under threat? No?
Has Russian invaded other neighbors. No, doesn't have the strength
to do so. No.

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
I think the Finns could defeat them at this point.
I mean, if they invaded Finland, they probably get the
shock of their lives. It'd be like nineteen thirty nine
all over again. You don't need the coldest winter in
the century to make the Russians suffer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Now it's it's I.

Speaker 7 (01:25:43):
Don't know how this thing ends, but I was correct,
and I said three to five years minimum. We're now
in the fourth year and we're going to make it
to the fifth year before this thing ends. And you know,
people don't understand the underlying problems here. You know, Russian
Ukraine have very tortuous, conflated, confusing history between who's the Ukraine,
here's a Russian and there are lots of ethnic Russians
living in the territory of what became Ukraine, and the

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Russians not happy about that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
And when Barack.

Speaker 7 (01:26:08):
Husain Obama did nothing about the annexation of the Crimea,
the handwriting was on the wall. It was just a
matter of time before this happened. And because we had
the dumbest moron occupying the presidency and living history in
the form of Joe Biden, you know, I mean, look
if you look back, and this was predictable. And actually
I did predict this back when Biden took over. Nine
days after he took over, the military government or the

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military in Myanmar, overthrew the elected government and put the
president in prison where she still remains to this day.
I'm young, Keith, that's already now we're talking what five
six years he's been in prison and a military dictatorship
took over. The response to the Bibe regime was silenced.
They said nothing about it. I mean, I thought they
were democrats. I thought they believed in the rule of law.
But they said virtually nothing, did nothing. They didn't sanction,

(01:26:50):
they didn't punish them in any significant way. And then
just six weeks after he became president, the Russians moved
seventy thousand troops into Belarus along the board of you,
and I'm like, hey, hey, hey, over here, this is
not just a regular exercise. And then they sat there
all spring and summer. You don't go spend six months

(01:27:10):
on an exercise. That's a deployment, and they were deploying
to attack Ukraine. And he said nothing. It wasn't until
after the elections in November that he started running his
mouth that Russia's going in evade, Russia's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Going to invade.

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
And then they actually being disclosing actually classified information saying
that Russian's gon invade this time, which they never should
have done, and in fact it did occur because Putin
made the following calculation. Look, Trump's he's a wild card.
That guy's crazy. I don't know what he's going to do.
I can't risk it. But this is the dumbest SOB
that's ever been in a White House. And he won't
react if I'm going to attack Ukraine. Now's the time

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I got to do it now, and they did. But
the problem with the Russians is that their their their strategy,
their operational campaign was was idiotic and it was it
was just poorly conceived. They attacked on seven fronts simultaneously.
You know, they divided their forces, you know, instead of
thinking ratio. What they should have done is attack from
two locations and had a holding position in the north
they should have held, or they should have put all

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the effort into go Cash or Kiev if they thought
the country was going to capitulate, if that was there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
But they didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:28:11):
Instead, they went piecemeal, and they should have just went
to the dawn Bass came pouring through the Donbass in
overwhelming numbers and from down below in the Crimea in
a pincer movement, and that in two areas, and that
would concert all their forces there and the other places.
Just hold troops there so that Ukrainians couldn't attack come
into Russia and then the Raine. They would have captured
everything east of the Dnepa River within a matter of

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weeks and this war would have been over. But instead
they attacked Levaulf, which is a Polish city now part
of Ukraine, all the way in the West. They're attacking
all over, They're attacking this island, they're attacking here, they're attacking,
They're attacking everywhere, and they dividing their forces into having
it overwhelming. You know, you have to normally have a
three to one ratio when you're attacking, and they got
to the position where they didn't have some place that

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had a one to one ratio, which is stupid. And
also instead of coming with their front line troops, they
underestimate Ukraine and underestimated the gullibility of Europeans to support
this terrorists. But this this crook, Vladimir's lisky and so
they sent their T seventy two's and T eighties instead
of their ten nineties and their new equipment. And by

(01:29:14):
the time they started employing that stuff, drones were part
of the conflict and they were destroying this advanced armor.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
None of that stuff was there initially.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
If they'd come across defeated Ukrainians, we wouldn't be in
this situation today. The eastern third of and I'm not
advocating this, but I'm just telling you how it would
have went. Eastern third of Ukraine would have been annexed
along with the crime and we'd be part of Russia proper,
The rump state of Ukraine would survive today with Kiev
being essentially on the border, and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
What we have today. The war would be over. But nope, nope, nope, no, We've.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
Got two antagonistic fools, Putin and Ziliinsky, and all the
useful idiots leading countries in Europe that are fueling and
funding this war, and it's not going to end anytime soon.
And it's really tragic and sad. People don't know the
horrors that go on there. They just don't know, despite
their propaganda trying to tell them what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
It's frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
So you basically described Putin zero by undermining his opponent,
thinking that he was weak and he was going to
do a bunch of preemptive strikes and left himself weak
and vulnerable and it backfired on him.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
Well, Ukraine was weak until the French gave them artillery,
and we gave them we gave them, you know, Patriot
missiles and hawk defense systems, and then we gave.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Them at tackles, we gave them attacks. That's insane, you know.
And then and then of course you know, they're giving
them jet fighters. What is going on here? But you
know what's going on here.

Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
The Germans and the French are clearing out their inventories
of old forty year military hardware and restocking with brand
new stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Sure, that's what's going on here.

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
Yeah, if you want to get rid of it, that's
how you do it right, get rid of the old.

Speaker 7 (01:30:46):
And also it's a test bed, you know, we look
at this test look at the Ukraine has been Ukraine
has been the conflict for the test bed for drones.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
For you, that's been the test bed for it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
If you go back, that's been a strength for them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
If you go back to the Amkapor War. Yamkapor War
was a test bet for Soviet air defense artillery. The
Soviets took down so many of the Israeli jets and
helped them gain air parody for a while because they
were so effective.

Speaker 7 (01:31:13):
And that was one when the SA twos and all
these other systems were tested by the Soviets because they
weren't being tested conflict.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
That was back in seventy three.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
And then when the Soviets went into to Afghanistan seventy nine,
all their air defense systems were well tested. Not that
the Afghanist posed any threat, but I'm just saying they're
well tested. So look, I mean, you know, war is
a crucible. It's a proving ground for military hardware and
for techniques and operational methods. And sadly that's what's been happening.

(01:31:39):
The Chinese are watching, We're watching, and we're learning. The
Chinese are learning what's happening in Russia, and others are
watching what's happening in Iran, and they're learning from that,
and it makes the more challenge the APPIAU. I mean,
look what just happened for the Apache pilots. We rescued
them with an autonomous boat. I mean, now we got
boats flying around in the water, just you driving themselves.
I mean, is sky Ned already taken over? In the

(01:32:02):
golf of are the straits foremost?

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
You mentioned earlier about social credit scoring, you know, and
I'm thinking, I'm already a truck driver, and when your
social score goes, where do you go? You go to
the lowest paying field.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
What am I gonna have to do now? Become a
security guard or something if my social credit score score collapses?
Or am I just on the elks because they're bringing
autonomous into trucking. I mean, there was just what company
was it? Now is going to start running on more trucks.
I can't remember which one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Well, John, we unfortunately you won't become a security guard
because we'll have robots to do that job.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
See that's what I'm saying. I'm basically on scared road, bro,
I'm as low as I can go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Now, Well, you should have become a trans advocate then
you'd be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Well, I guess there. And you know, Boston messagesus. They're
having their what they call it a trans period pride celebrations.
Oh goody, looking for equity for all Whoman straight.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Spare me pregnant people, Hey, John and Todd.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
The plan rough plan right now is the twenty fourth,
which is two weeks from tonight. I expect to be
in National New Hampshire in the studio with John.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Is that right? Holy cow?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I did not know that that's my lead that night,
but I might have to pass it over to Christie.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
I will be getting ready to go down to Murphysborough
for our department convention for the American Legion. Uh well,
I'll be.

Speaker 7 (01:33:25):
Trying to don't be trying to pass this off of me.
I'll be looking out the window at all the cheek
is walking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
By the Actually there's a purpindoculars right there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I saw them hanging from the window. That's why no.

Speaker 7 (01:33:39):
But if things go well, because this coming Friday and
two days I'm flying to Atlanta to meet with refugees
and do interviews doing a documentary. Atlanta, Decatur, then Greenville,
South Carolina, back down to Atlanta, Monroe, and then back
up here. I'll be back next Tuesday in time for
a show Wednesday. But the following week I intend to
leave on the twenty first, driving or flying up to
New England, going to New Hampshire and going to mass

(01:34:02):
Usetts Connecticut, though I don't like Connecticut more mass Uses
to meet with refugees. So that's the plan, and I'll
be gone for pretty much the week, and I'm run
of time it so that i leave on Sunday if
I drive, and then I'm up in nash One on
the twenty fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
That's the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Awesome that a man. We got a seat right there
for you, all right, but I'm moving you out from
behind that board.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
So off camera cat can pick my teeth. There'll be
a camera on you okay, all right, And I got
the from George Russell today.

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
It looks like, well we'll continue for another year on
the air, right, I think we we didn't get canceled.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
That's goodness, that's right. We're good to go the year,
to be fair.

Speaker 7 (01:34:41):
But the the the Federal Communications Comission hasn't quite hurt
tonight's broadcast, so we can still.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Get cancels, right, we try to the limits.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
But yeah, I think we'll be good.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
I think those will get under the radar, so not
a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, yeah, nothing was said tonight that would be you know,
there might be a couple of little words, but not.
And that was really that bad that. I've heard a
different shows I've heard that or more.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
So, well, I've heard worse than that clown from New York.
You know, he's a haircut I'm Donnie No, not him,
the shock jock. Oh oh, him on the air on
on over the airwaves. Driving in the in the Tri
State area up there, listening to him as a radio

(01:35:26):
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, you know, there's some things I've heard him say
on the radio that I'm like, wow, you're not really
getting there supposed to get into sexually explicit material and
he's over there given play by play definitions.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Or yeah, just as sick of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
The way it basically works, from my understanding is if
there's a bunch of listeners out there go, hey, I
heard a bad word, you know, I got to call
the s SEC. You know, that's basically they just an
archy out or something. But if I have to see
he's not get a phone call, then what are they
going to know they're not?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
I think if you did it on a regular this
was your normal pro it becomes a thing. Yeah. Now
what's out about this is I mean, this has all
changed so much from when I first went into radio
back in the eighties. I mean back then in the eighties,
you you had to get a license, you know, to
broadcast in the air, you know, and you just you
had to apply for a license to be a broadcaster.
Now it's just anybody can get bind the microphone. I mean,
look at this right, I don't have a license anybody.

(01:36:23):
Uh yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Yeah, there's a lot to be said for how things
changed and stuff. I think I wonder if the Internet
didn't influence that a little bit, because something's loosened up
a lot. I think a lot ened up a lot
through the years and stuff. You're right, back in the
nineteen eighties rated our movies were really rated our movies,
and now today they're more like PG. You know, the
people put up PG that's bought rated our back in

(01:36:46):
nineteen seventy nine, nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
All right, right, all the innu windows and everything that's
in any movie.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
You know, yeah, no doubt about it. It's right right
in your face too.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
You know. So we're right a short on time, and
I did want to talk about the FIFA World Cup
because by the time we meet it will be under
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
It starts tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:37:02):
It starts tomorrow in Mexico City where South Africa takes
on Mexico, and I've already predicted, not that I like soccer,
but Mexico win two to one or two to zero.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
That goes.

Speaker 7 (01:37:11):
This World Cup has gotten a lot of grief, mostly
because the tickets are a joke. I went in for
the last minute ticket sales and then you had to
wait eleven minutes to get in till I got into
early today.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
And then I went for the games. I looked for Philadelphi.
You said limited available. I clicked on it. There were
no tickets. That's not limited ailab but that's no availability.

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
Then I clicked in another game, like in Atlanta, the
cheapest ticket was twenty five hundred dollars. Seriously, and I
clicked those. The whole thing is a joke, So the
prices are outrageous. This is not a World Cup for
the masses, it's for the wealthy. That's the first problem
with this. The second problem with this is that, you know,
we've got all these visa requirements that are making difficult
for some people to get over here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Understandable, but it's still difficult to deal with. And the
third part, quite frankly.

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
Is that now the administration is taking a lot of
grief because they're banning people from entering the country, and
we have people that don't understand how borders work. They're like, well, yeah,
but the Somali guy had a easit. Yeah, it was
issued in Kenya by a concert officer. Their job is
to make sure there's no threats to America. If they
thought there wasn't. When the guy showed up at the
immigration in Miami, he answered questions in a dodgy fashion.

(01:38:13):
The Customs of Border Patrol agent had the right to
refuse entry. They interviewed him for eleven hours. They were
dissatisfied with his responses. They had to rock tran information
on him, which the concert officer didn't have in Kenya,
and therefore they sent him back to Istanbul in a plane.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
And people are like calling a racis not racism. The
guy's tied to a terrorist organization. Get over it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:31):
We don't have no responsiblity. Let people in this country
are tied to terrorist organizations.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
He's tied. He's tied up with al Shabab, and you
know he shouldn't be here a simple as.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
That, Carol, hold on, I'm not here to do terrorist activities.
I'm here to just watch a soccer game, so I
get a pass, don't I.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Well, I'm not here to commit terrorist acts. I just
want to learn how to fly a plane, but not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Land its what's that soccer ball? You want to bring
him with you there, Tome, I love it. Everybody, Well,
you know that's basically what you mean by the Jena
Wolfer clause right to protect the nation. It wasn't about
you know, everybody gets welfare or we're going to make
sure everybody gets fedter it. It was it for the
individual it was about protecting the nation, and that's why
we have vetting processes when it comes to immigration or

(01:39:10):
visiting the country.

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
Well, you know it's interessly because I've told a lot
of the South Africans who are trying to come over
here as refuees, who come to my program and watch it.
I said, you have to understand that the mission of
the United States Customs Immigration Service USCIS is not the
interviews they do for you in South Africa to facilitate
you coming to America's reftee.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That's not their mission. That's a task.

Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
Their mission is to protect our borders and protect Americans.
That's why there's medical screening.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
We can't let people tuberculosis or infecti disease come into
the country. That has to be taken care of. That's
why you have organizations. That's why you get medical.

Speaker 7 (01:39:39):
Screen and their job is to root out people who
are potential threat to this country and protect American's citizens
first and foremost, something that Biden administration neglected this entire time.
Not only did they neglect that, they facilitated the criminal
invasion of our country. So USCIS is here to defend
US customs of Border Patrol are here to protect America.
Do they make mistakes, Yes, they do occasionally, but by
and large they do great job defending this country, especially

(01:40:02):
now the Bidensign Office. So people need to understand to
that is that if you want to be a refugee,
the mission of the people isn't to get you over here.
It's to stop you from coming over here if there's
a reason to stop you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
But if not, then you come over here. But I
think that a lot of people get lost on it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
And the final arbiter about whether they enter the country
isn't a concert officer in Beijing or Guangzhou or in Stockholm.
It's the customs and Border patrol agent at the port
of entry who makes that decision right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
That's how it is. And I accept that because the
same thing could happen to me going to the UK
or going to South afric or going to Mali. They
can reject me at the border and I have no
say over it. Well, even if I have a visa.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
No, isn't there some sort of concern about some law
that was passed in the nineteen nineties that if they
claim asylum then they get due process, so then they
get to see a judge.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
And things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
Well, if you follow the legal process for a solum
But the problem is that most people are not following
the legal process for asylum. They are frauds, they're not
real they're entering the country under false premises. To I mean,
if you come here lejitimate premise and then you make
an asylum claim, but the asylum program is set up
so that, like you know mckel brish to Coff is
good example, you come here on legitimate purposes, part of
the Bolshoi ballet of perform in America, and because the

(01:41:10):
threats to you back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Home once you're in the country, then you file for asylum.
That's legit.

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
But because you're an economic migrant you slide into America
illegally and then claim asylum.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
That's not legit. That's not legit. That's a crime. You
should be deported immediately and never get a hearing and
be banned from the country.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
In addition, that one some people don't understand is that
first offense is a misdemeanor, but that second offense is
a felony.

Speaker 7 (01:41:31):
Well, as far as I'm concerned, anytime someone violates my
sovereignty as a felony, that's my take on it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yeah, I'm not inclined to argue with you about that.
I was just stating, as far as I understand, you're a.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Correct legally, but you know what, we don't who cares
about the law. I mean, you know, you can be
what you want to be.

Speaker 7 (01:41:45):
You know, we just you know, you know, whatever you
want to be in this country these days, So you know,
I guess we just decide what we want to do.
I mean, look, you know, we just have a jungle
primary and just you know, magically find ballots and boxes,
you know, hitting under the cases there and look at
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
It's just yeah, so that l I mean nothing is
anybody in the left going to stand up and say,
hey this was stolen.

Speaker 7 (01:42:06):
No, this was I mean, come on, whether it's stolid
or not, it electually has zero credibility. Sixty percent of
the vote is in, then they magically stop. County Spencer
Pratt is a thirty five thousand vote lead with a
small number of votes, and it's sixty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Magically he's now behind. That's ridiculous. Also the same thing
with Steve Hilton.

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
Steve Hilton is leading by one hundred and forty thousand
votes with fifty eight percent of voted, and suddenly it's
sixty four percent of voted and he's trailing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
So he got no votes.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
How does Pisera gain one hundred and thirty thousand votes
to catch him and then pass him by now like
one hundred and some thousand both. It's shades of Pennsylvania
in twenty twenty all over again, when Donald Trump ended
the night ahead one hundred and sixty thousand votes, only
one point two million votes outstanding to be counted for
the scam mail and stuff. According to the Secretary of
State Kelleybouvard, one point two million votes head be counting,

(01:42:54):
and then days later, suddenly Trump's lee goes from one
hundred and sixty thousand to a sixty thousand definits that's
two hundred and thirty votes complete swap. In order for
that to happen, Biden has to get the vast majority
of those votes. But give it the fact that thirty
eight percent of the people who requested.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Mail in ballots were Republicans, it seems highly implausible. It's
the same thing. It's just just nonsense. It's either an
election or it's stolen. There's no credibiliting California selections, jungle primary,
the purpose of primaries for political parties to select their candidates,
not for this nonsense.

Speaker 7 (01:43:23):
This is a theft of democracy, and anybody doesn't see
it in California is an idiot, and I'll tell them
that to their face.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Todd was talking about Graham plattin Or last week, and
did you see he picked up his victory in the.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
Votes, of course, because Democrats are evil and have no morality.
Did you see what he said about that soldier who
was wounded, you know, who's also from Maine, all the
nasty things, what he said about the you know, the
the American sniper too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
This guy's look, he's look, he won't win. And Susan
Collins is going to get Democrats voting for her now
because he's just that that crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
We all know how I feel about Susan Collins, you know,
you know, I mean, you know some people he put
out put out to the glue factory.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
You know, Ellen gel says, uh, he's looking to get
Oklahoma to get to vote for Jackson Leaemyer. We had
him on the show once, if you young pastor, yep,
all right, he's running and that's that'd be interesting. I'd
like to see him win a seat.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Be interesting. Yeah, so we've got about a minute left.
Any final thoughts between now and next week's show, gentlemen, John.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Uh, just get involved with these primaries, man. Don't be
afraid to vote, don't be afraid to research your candidates
and stuff. It's important unless you're on the left. If
you're on left, take take a seat, take some time
and relaction work. But if you're on the right, yeah, man,
take some action.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
We need just I think when John's trying to say
it's democrats stay home.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yeah, take some time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
You're stolen enough elections in the last several years. Take
a break. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, let's see what
happens with the first week.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
We've got I think Paraguay or something like that on
Friday night at nine o'clock Eastern Standard time in the
World Cup. So if you are, if you suffer from
a narcolepsy, tune in nine o'clock Friday night, East Coast time,
and I guarantee you you'll be falling asleep before the
game is over.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
Our all right, folks, we'll see you next week seven
to nine easts, right, here, WSMN fifteen ninety and ninety
five point three FM.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Till then, God bless