October 27, 2025 • 103 mins
True Crime Criminal Interview - The Desperate Suspect
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top thru crime Hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for, enjoy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Turn out, transpody be what my partner just touched on
fireballistics a little bit ago, just a minute ago when.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You were in here, right.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
You said you understood a little bit, Vio, don't really
think you do.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What do you understand about?
Speaker 5 (00:36):
I know that guys have certain patterns on the shelves
and stuff once they process.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Okay, what was the process as far as where did that?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Was it the one you purchased where you hold it
for a friend?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Was it Nicks? No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. It
could be a.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Twenty two or it could be a forty three X
I'm telling you, I'm saying forty three as in the pictures.
I know that she caliber is a nine mili media.
Why didn't you mention that earlier? Why did you feel as.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You first know?
Speaker 8 (01:18):
What I'm saying is fifteen hours we've had to.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Because I know that I know that I didn't do anything.
Speaker 8 (01:25):
Because what I just told you earlier, you give up nothing,
and then every time I confront you on something, you
just lie.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I know that I didn't do anything to.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Her, So we're not talking about that. We're talking about
the gun. When did you put the gun there?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
And where did the gun come from?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
That's what we're trying to figure out out.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The gun has been there for a while, for a while.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
How long is a while?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But I don't use it.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm gonna make sure everyone knows what you did your
own kids.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, I think you know I didn't do anything. She
saw kids and I didn't absolutely not do anything.
Speaker 9 (01:56):
You know, how looeen it's been since we first put
you in a handcofter right now, it's spend less than
twenty four hours. It's been somewhere maybe fifteen ish. Do
you know how long those kids were by themselves with
their dead laying there alone in that apartment with no adults,
no food, no water, no nothing.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
How many smoke dricks have you gotten?
Speaker 9 (02:16):
How many times have we offered you food, water, gone
to the bathroom make sure you were doing okay?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Did anyone check on them?
Speaker 9 (02:22):
They were in there longer by themselves, with their on
the floor, laying their blanket on her because they wanted
to be near her, because they were by themselves longer
than you've been here with us.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Somebody, somebody returned it to me.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
How do you How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Everybody you said earlier when you were talking about reported.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Stuff, I mean because I don't know what they did
with it.
Speaker 9 (02:42):
How is it.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
One of the guys who what's their name?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's a young guy.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
What's their name?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
He calls itself Scottie.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
What's his real name?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't know?
Speaker 10 (02:53):
Man, is this some more he calls himself nick, He
calls himself Scotty.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Bullshit. Man, No, it's not a it's not a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But I don't and a half years you you're up
there with my top most evil people I've ever dealt.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
With and talked to.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Somebody returned it to me, but I know that I
didn't use it. It came out to the middle It came
out to Middleburg and dropped it off to me.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I would show you those pictures again, but you don't
give a ship.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
There's nothing. He didn't do anything to you earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hurt my spirit.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I can tell you're real hurt.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You just keep lying and I'm tired and I'm not
really lying to you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
How are you gonna explain.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
How do you explain the fact that those two casings,
the silver nine billimeter casings from around dead body, matched
the gun that's in the backyard. Explain it to me.
Lie your way out of that one. Come on, give
me your evil lies.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I don't have any lies, and I don't have an
explanation for that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I do know that my gun did get retired
to me from a guy in the cop I just
did come back.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Why'd you buried in the dirt thing?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I just left it back there? Anything like that. My
mom doesn't like stuff like that in the house.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
She's got her own guns.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
She likes guns, but she doesn't like She doesn't like
me to have a gun on my person.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Though.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Do you care about your mom?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You don't catch your mom when she.
Speaker 10 (04:21):
Saw us on earth that gun, she hit the floor.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
My mom isn't guilty of anything.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
But I know that, yeah, you are, she wrote down
because she knows you are pure evil.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
How are you going to explain blood on those clothes
that were hidding with that gun?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That's your side of clothing.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Explain that I don't have any blood on anything. I
don't have any blood.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So now it's just from lying to the ninth.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I haven't been. I haven't been there since laste. I
didn't give it to anybody. I mean, I mean, I
just you know, God gave me like he gave me.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like a hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
He wanted to hold it, and then he returned it
to me. When was up, he returned to me. Maybe
I don't really.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Think so he has no reason to kill her.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's stupid.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Stop.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think he knows are passing. But I don't think
because I don't stay out I was.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I gave you a little bit of credit earlier for
being in confidence in that I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't stay out there and.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Cause usually of someone who is smart, at some point
will start to recognize defeat getting caught.
Speaker 10 (05:33):
Let me just separate myself from you're not doing that.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
No, but my thing is no. But I know where
I was, I know what I didn't do. I know
that I didn't do anything to her, And saying it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
A thousand times doesn't make it true.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know that I didn't do anything to her.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I know that I know that the weapon did get
back in my possession. Your kids will know the story
as they get that. Promise you that they would have.
They'll know that I didn't care.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Tell you lied to me for a second. How did
the gun.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Get back to you? The guy came?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And how did he come?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
He was driving.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He met me at the store at he meant the
next to the smoke shop across the street from the
wall Greens.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I rode a bicycle. He was in a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
What vehicle was he?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I think he might have been something old, like a
like a cavalier or something.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, And he brought it back to me and.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Did you what did you do? What did you manipulate
at all?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Did you rock the slide?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Did you do anything to it?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
No?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Did you put in it? Did you shoot it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No? I didn't shoot it.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
What did you do with it?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
How many times did Scotty drive your mom's vulgat?
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Never? Oh?
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Then how did the same mamma from the glot getting
your mom's vulgar?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What do you mean? What does Scotty look like Scotty?
He's more of an a rap.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
He's more of an a rap.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So does he look like you a little bit? I'm
African American?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So okay, describe Scotty's physical statue. She built like you?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
No, he's skinny, Okay, So why is it that your
son saw datman, not Scotty.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
My son.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You just said Scotty didn't even know if he.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Knew, he's never been around your No.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
But even when it comes down to what she had
going to that apartment contact, I don't know who she dated.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I've seen her talk to a guy who I was
cool with.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So I don't know how she moves.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But at the end of the day, you know that
was how that.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
A mom's car to set mom up.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
I'm telling you, No, I didn't throw a bullet at
a mom's yard.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You said there wasn't be nothing there.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Now, No, I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I didn't I didn't throw a bullod at a car,
And you want me to go to rest your mom.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, I didn't throw up. I didn't throw anything in
a car.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
If I had Scotty gave you a gun that you
don't know Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But if I had you.
Speaker 8 (07:49):
About Scotty, but you're going to hide a gun for
him and then throw a bullet from.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
That, I mean if you gave me, if you gave
me like a one hundred dollars just to rent it, I.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Mean, how did the bullet from the guns that Scotty
gave you that you hitting the dirt in your mom's yard?
How did one of those same bullets get in your
mom's car, the same car that she gave you a
ride in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I'm not I'm not sure.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
The same car that you snuck out the other night
to go kill.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean, if I had extra bullets from that gun,
then that's just that. That's probably the last time you
drive that. I've never driven it never, No, I don't
drive at all. She picked me up in it, when
she picked me up in that bable today when she
picked me up again.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
How the casings that were her dead body, how do they.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Match the same gun that's hitting them hole in your
mom's backyard, next to your clothes, the bloody clothes that
you wore to kill.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
The guy stays in the apartment complex, well, I think
he stays out there. I know he hangs out out there.
So you know, he and I we we made each
other a couple of times. But he asked me if
he didn't hold it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know, I don't believe it. You just don't care.
You're just not gonna come off of it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm just being honest. You gonna take it to your grave, and.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's cool because you're gonna sit in prison. No, I'm
just being a prison I'm just being hones.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That's cool. You're gonna be honest in prison.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
You know, I'm being honest about anything I have. I
know that I haven't committed a murder. I didn't shoot anybody.
The last time that I was ever, the last time
that I was in that apartment complex was when my
mom picked me up in that volvo, when you picked
me up.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And how much time did you spend in jail on
your restaurant he be alive?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Uh, maybe a to day.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Damn, you've gotta road to her to coming when you
get to prison.
Speaker 10 (09:39):
One day in jail, that's all you know about the inside.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I feel sorry for you, bro. You can just guess
what do you go?
Speaker 10 (09:47):
A lot of them boys, See how that works out
for you. No, I'm not I have to follow certain
rules and protocols.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Ain't no rules, and I understand.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But other than you're about to be new meat.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I'm not guilty of anything. I know that I
didn't on that I'm done listening.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
You tell me that you tell them that when you
get in there and when those prison guards find out
and read your case and talk, see what you do
with your own kids?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You know what they do to people that like mess
with kids and hurt their own kids.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And I didn't hurt my kids. And I didn't tell
you Scotty did it? Nick did it?
Speaker 11 (10:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Nick is never over that only thing?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Did your son?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Did your son? You were there, but I brought up Nick.
That was just me talking about.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Scotty.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That was just me talking about the president.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
How many random first name people have given you guns?
Because it was Nick earlier and you didn't know anything
about Nick. No, but anything about Scotty earlier. Where Scotty
come from?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean he stayed, he his hangs out.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Out there, But you're not out there, So how do
you know?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I mean when I used to go out there and
visit so much.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Is there anything that we can say that You're not
just gonna come up with some crazy lie, some story
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
You know, your family's legit concerned for you, like they
legit are just like what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But but I'm not lying about it.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I didn't I know that I didn't do anything to
anybody grew up with, and even when it comes down
to the gays guy who I let hold it for
one hundred bucks, I don't even think he did it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I know that he turns he didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He doesn't have a reason to know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I know you're the only person that has a reason.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You couldn't have done because he gave you the gun
before it happened.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
No, I got the gun back. I got the gun
back like yesterday earlier.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
You said it's been a while, and I said, how
long is a while?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
A couple of days, a couple of months, a couple
of years, And you said a while, while it is
not a day.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, you asked me.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
You asked me about the time between when I had
seen him, from when he picked it up to now.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
There's nothing. There's nothing ut there.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's the same man.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I don't know where you went versus where your family went,
because your family is top notch people. I mean I've
spoken all of them now, most of your brother, your sister,
your mom, your dad.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Not to talk to your people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, But I say, I don't understand the evil.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
I don't understand what happened you're like, where how did
you get so?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
What happened to you? When did your soul die?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm not guilty of anything. I didn't do it.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
What did your soul die? What kills your soul?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
My soul is alive. I didn't do anything. I'm not
guilty of anything. And I know Scott is. No, Nick's
not guilty of anything. He just let me. I mean,
think about it, anybody, I'm not I'm not putting any
blame on anybody. But I know what I didn't do.
I can't speak on what the next person did.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
And then every time you've had a chance to get
out in front.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Of something, no, but I know a lot of kids know.
Speaker 10 (12:48):
Then when we come back and catch you in it, I.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Mean because at the end of the day, I know.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
But at the end of the day, I know that
you guys were looking for we're looking for the person,
the person who murdered her, and I know that I
didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
We're not looking.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
So did you get Scotty close you hit those clothes,
the gun and the clothes.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You got those clothes from Scotty too? Would he take
some of your clothes? No? Okay, then what's the deal?
Speaker 10 (13:16):
With the clothes that are right there next to where the.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Gun was put those there, and he gave.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Me all the stuff. He gave you all the stuff,
gave me all of it. I didn't know what he did.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
Though, So those weren't just some stuff that you threw
it out after doing home.
Speaker 10 (13:29):
And you drove that shit all the way back to
the river.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I didn't try it.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
We want to.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I didn't drive it anywhere.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Those those closing items, that's just that stuff that's just
laying around.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But old you're cool, but he brought it too cool.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I don't know, man like I mean, there's obviously we're
not gonna make any progress, all right, I'm given you.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
I know that fifteen hours worth of opportunity to come clean, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I know that I didn't murder, and I know that
you did. I did.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's where we are.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
That's and better than that, we can prove that you did.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So you can even when.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Even with but even with those clothes, nothing was done
with those clothes, I know because I just.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Got and gave him to you.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
You know, just how do you know it was done
without that?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I know Scotty gave me back the gun.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
You just said Scotty gave you all the stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Just literally two minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
You first said.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Listen, saying that you guys are talking to me. Confusing, No,
you talking to me at the same time. I've been
up for twenty four to twenty six hours.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Sixty three seconds ago, you said Scotty gave you all
that stuff, and then you said he only gave you
the gun.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
To go ahead, explain, I'm not gonna talk.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, when it comes to the gun and everything, he
gave me the gun back, we're kind of gun was uh,
it was a.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It was a glock.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It was a glock that he ranted from it for
like a hundred buckslock.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
What it was either twenty two or forty three.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Where'd you get it from?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
It was probably one of the same lot.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Probably. Where'd you get it from?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It was probably one of the same ones from over
there at the apartment.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I can't help myself. You liked, probably and maybe a lot.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Where'd you get the gun from? Did you find it
laying around like the BB gun?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, I didn't find that laying around.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Then.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
How did you get it from the apartment?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I mean I had I took the gun.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I took it with me from where I stole it
back from who I stole it back from her before
I left.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
She never stole it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You left it there and I reported it stolen.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
She had originally stolen it, and I took it back
without her knowing that I took it back.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's important?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
It's very important.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
You being in possession of a firearm that killed and
her unborn child doesn't seem important to you. You leaving
your two kids for seventeen hours to fend for themselves,
playing on the floor, It doesn't seem important to me.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The main fact, What does seem important to you that apartment?
Are you?
Speaker 6 (15:56):
The only person that's important to you?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Your well being, not the well being the children that
you want this, not the well being of the woman
that you're supposed to care for, not the well being
of the unborn baby in her stomach.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
You don't care about any of that because you are
an evil person. I was never did this, and you
don't care about anyone but you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I was never at That's the end of it.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
There's nothing else you can say.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I was never at that apartment.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Coll Please you keep saying that ten more times.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I see what's gonna change.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Hold On, hold on, I was never at an apartment
of Complex one hundred and seventeen times.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I got that heard it. I'm sitting here telling you
you were.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I wasn't.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
Okay, I never went That's what you're gonna stand on
your great I.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Never went there. And when you stayed in Middleburg the
whole life.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I don't know who.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I am.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Sure at some point your mom will get beyond this.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Maybe right now I can tell you she's just but
the guy, but the guys, and some day your kids
aren't gonna come back.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But the guy who gave me the gun back, I
don't know what he did with it.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
But your kids you've already told this.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Scotty didn't kill her, Yeah, I said, I don't know
what anybody would do.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If anybody did something with the weapon, they wouldn't tell me.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I think your mom might come visit you in prison,
but your kids won't understood.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But yeah, I'm not guilty.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Okay, I'm not guilty. Can I get a witness?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No, I didn't. I didn't do anything too, all.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Right, that's it. Fifteen hours. If I didn't do it,
that's where we are.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I gave you all the reasons why you didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But I didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I just confronted you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I didn't do it. Who didn't I did? How I
didn't do it?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
You don't know that is the only thing that I
know is who'd you send over there to do it?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I didn't send anybody anybody to do anything.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
You didn't have anybody go kill But you're very quick
to say I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I was there.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I didn't there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You can look. You can look through my you can
look through my You guys have my phone.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You've already lied about that.
Speaker 10 (17:51):
We looked through your phone and saw the stuff you
were holding earlier.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
We looked through your phone earlier and saw all the
effort that you had withheld from us the first.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Go round A bit.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, I didn't kill anybody. I didn't put my hands
on her.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Do you know who killed No? I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It could have it could have been hell.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Did you discuss her killed with someone?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I didn't. Did you Was she aggravating?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Was she threat No?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I know that. I mean she did threaten me sometimes.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
She did aggravate me sometimes, but it wasn't worth a murder.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I know that you in any way, shape, or form
have anything to do with either killing, playing the killing,
setting up the killing. You have no idea who did no,
and you have no idea why someone would.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I can name reasons, but there probably wouldn't be a
my potence to support it.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I'm sorry, anything changed, the still didn't do it. Okay,
just walk me back through this.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I'm just gonna try and understand and the story that
you've given us. So you buy a firearm sometime last year,
a block forty three XS correct, I'm a millimeter block.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, Okay, you got it at her apartment, right, Yeah,
you leave it there when you go back to Connecticut
and she steals it. Yeah, she said that she couldn't
say she couldn't find it and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Okay, when do you come back and steal it back
from her?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I probably foud not probably When did you come back
and steal it from her? You can give me an
approximate date right.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Right before I want to say, maybe like last maybe
like right before I left her apartment, because she left
me there by my left her apartment when.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Like last Saturday? It was between last Friday and last Saturday.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Where did you find it that.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I found it in a closet.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Which closet?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I found it in her bedroom closet and her bedroom closet.
Was it in a box? What condition was? It was
like tuck on the ship, behind a lot of clothes
and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Where was everyone else when you found it?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Now she had taken the kids with her. I was
by myself. Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Was it loaded?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah? It was loaded. It was loaded with what it
was just loaded with bullets?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
You know, a color?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
But mine whole point, I'm I'm not sure what color
was it?
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Was there one in the chamber?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Okay, But it was loaded with a magazine, had.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Something in it? It probably did have one?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Probably did or did or didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm not sure I did.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It seventy three? Probably anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I didn't. I didn't look at those details.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
You were saying it was loaded. I'm just asking loaded.
It was low guns in two.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Conditions, loaded unloaded?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Which one was it?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
It was loaded, But I'm not sure when you say
loaded you mean one in the head.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm talking about the clip was in it? The clip?
Speaker 13 (20:51):
Was there?
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Load?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
It's in the clip?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
There was?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Was there one in the head?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
H I think so?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Did you how do you know that there was bullets
in the clip and one in the head.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm kind of fifty to fifty on whether it was
one in the head or not.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Okay, how did you know that there was bullets in
the in the.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Clip because you can because of the weight of.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
It, because of the weight up, So you never took
the clip out and looked at it. No, Okay, So
that was Saturday.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Is she steal it back? Where do you do with
it after you steal it back?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The guy? Well, I saw the guy and stuff like that.
He saw he saw it on my saw Scotty one day.
He was like, hey man, you let me hold it
one day and I really this.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Was after Saturday. Yeah, you know which day that was.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If that was Saturday, I probably saw.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
If that was Saturday, I think if I found it
on Friday, and if I left Saturday, that means I
spoke to him that Saturday.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So I found it Friday, saw him Saturday left middlebird
Saturday J left.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I left.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
So the same day that you find the gun, you
loan it to some random guy.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I am Scotty.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
No, I no, I had seen him around quite a
bit everybody.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
But you don't know his name. You don't know what
he looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I mean, I think he's Indian Indiana.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Okay, So let's let's get past that because I don't
want to get drawn up on the details that.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
You like to that you like to go down.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Friday, you find your guns that's been missing for months,
that you reported stolen back in January, so for seven months.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
This gun's been stolen.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
The day after you find it, you give it to
a guy named Scotty that you've seen around.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
The thing about him is.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Did you or did you not give the gun to
Scotty the day after you found it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
That's a yes or no question.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, a little motorful, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Did he pay?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Give him add buck? He gave you one hundred bucks?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
So then where do you go after that? On Saturday?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I stayed in Middle Bird until.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
You came back yesterday to the scenes.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's the first time I went back to Michigan.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Okay, when did Scottie bring the gun?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
But he came back to he came back to Mission Point.
I want to say yesterday afternoon around it might have
been twelve twelve thirty one.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Ish, yesterday afternoon around twelve twelve thirty one.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Ish, probably around that time ballpark and when he gave
it back to me, because I'm not dripping.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
That I was a middle bird.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Yeah, okay, and so how did how did you run
into him in middle work?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I mean he sent he sent me a he sent
me a message on what on on Facebook?
Speaker 9 (23:44):
So if I go to your Facebook messenger, I'm gonna
find a gun saying I'm gonna find a message saying.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
What I might say, Hey, I'll drop it off at
at such and such.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Okay, do you know what his Facebook name is?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think it's like Scotti Beans, Scotti Beams.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
So I'm gonna in a minute, I'm going to go
look at your phone, at your Facebook messages, and there's
gonna be a message from a Scottish person saying, Hey,
I'm coming forty five minutes south to Middleburg to give
you a gunback that you lent to me the day prior.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah about a key?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Did you give him a key to?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
No? Well, you gun. I wouldn't give it Scotti. I
wouldn't give a person a kid.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I told you that this gun was used a So
can you not help us figure out good based on that?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I mean, I don't want to. I mean, I don't know.
I didn't ask. You didn't know what they did.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
When do you leave the house? How do you go out?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
When I ride the bicycle, I just ride out of
the How do you get out of the house?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Sometimes I just walked through the front door.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Through the front door. Well, when you want to go,
met Scotti, did you go through the front door?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
What do you mean when you want to go?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Mat Scotti?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Did you do? Was an middle bird?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Where else were you on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I might have walked. I might have walked through the
Oh you talking on Saturday? Last Saturday?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Last Saturday?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Was my mom picked when you said you got the
gun back?
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Well, yesterday, yesterday I left out of the.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Are you Nick Canscotty? Maybe I think you're drawing Nick
can Scotty.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I'm not. I'm just me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
But here's me.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm just I'm just drawing, bursting.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
So but I did walk out of the garage, and
I grabbed the bicycle and I left and rolled up
there and I grabbed it. And because I couldn't meet
on him, I couldn't drive out there and anything like that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So he came some somewhere where I could get it
from him.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Do you know who killed me?
Speaker 7 (25:47):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Did you have anything to do with the orchestrating, setting up, planning, potting,
the killing of.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And you didn't anyway assist, help or aid in the
killing of disposing ofver, covering up any evidence of No,
the killing of Tshika.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
No, And I can say backlash not knowingly.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
And even if you did know about that, but you
didn't physically do it, we still had the issue of
you left your kids there for seventeen eighteen hours?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
How can I leave?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
How can I leave my kids somewhere if I'm not
even there in the first place?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Easy?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You have no soul when you're evil? Told you that earlier?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
How was I honestly? How can I didn't even know?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Are we being honest?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
We haven't been honest this whole time? Are we're being honest?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Now I'm being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Now you are?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Now you're you haven't been?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Are you? Do you want to be honest? Now I'm
being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
All right, let's then honestly tell us what happened.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I didn't I never made I can't really get that
far because of the transportation issue.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
So oh, I thought we were being honest. Are you
gonna tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The last time?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
The only person who gave me a ride to that
side of town aback to Jacksonville was was Deal yesterday
around five thirty pm. That was the first time I
had gone back to that complex since the day that
I left. But you know, if I was driving or
something like that, I probably would have taken it to him.
But I couldn't get anybody. You know, I wasn't gonna
(27:23):
uber left. I couldn't get out.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Your mom didn't take you over there at any point
in the past few days.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
No, your mom never dropped me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, she picked me up from over there Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did she drive you over there. She'd give you.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Fifteen twenty minutes to go do what you need to
do inside and then drive you back home.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
But she didn't say out like waiting, and she didn't
drop you.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Off and leave and go back home. So now mom's
a liar.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, my mom doesn't know.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
My mom doesn't she doesn't really condone.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I missed your mom. She's a really sweet lady. I
like her. So if you're gonna start telling me she's lying, and.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
No, she doesn't condone foolishness. But my mom she she wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
She wouldn't do anything like that. I haven't been.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You're not saying your mom did. Your mom said that
she dropped you off for your.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Mom a liar.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I haven't been since last Saturday.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
And you don't have any idea who would hurt saturdays?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And yesterday Saturday, well, yesterday was the first day that
I had gone over there since last Saturday. In the past,
she would prop she would take me off. So you
were you were over there. No, I wasn't. I said
in the past, my mom she would take me over
there for like.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But I just said that. But I'm talking about the
ends of past. You said that she does not this
not this week, not this week. Though she didn't take
me there this week, I stayed. I stayed in Millburgh
the whole entire week.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Do you think we're believing anything that you said right now?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I mean, you can look at my phone location stuff.
You can look at all that I haven't been.
Speaker 14 (28:58):
So helped me find Scott Let's fink skause.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
It sounds like Scotty had the gun. He's probably the
one that killed her. So how can we identify Scotty?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
How I got touch with Scott?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't think he will do that.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
He had the gun. Who else did it?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I don't think he would do that. Well, he had
the gun.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
So we gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Just like we're going through all these motions with you,
we gotta go through the motions with Scotty.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Were gonna go back to mom again? Don't do that?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
So like, no, how are we gonna find Scotty? But
it's my phone.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I can try and see if I can see if
I can bring the page up, but we would probably
have to sit out it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't think he stayed out there. I think he
probably just.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
You said he stayed out there, so now he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Stay No, I said, I didn't know if he stayed
out there or not. But he's kind of well known
out there are a lot of people. He just kind
of If I go around and ask around about Scotty,
everyone's gonna know who Scott is nine times out ten,
someone's gonna know Scott nine times.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And when I asked you, how about that gun? He said,
he's gonna say that he gave you, you gave him. He
gave you a hundred bucks to hold it on Friday
and then turned around and came all the way to
Milburg to give it to you on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
He may or may not.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And what if he doesn't, who's lying?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I think that he would be the one who was
lying because I thinking because I'm mentioned.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
So, when we find Scotty and we take Scotty's DNA
and we compare it to the DNA on the gun,
is Scotty's DNA.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Gonna be on the gun nine times out ten?
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Is your Well, no, it's not nine times out of ten,
that's it?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yes, I believe.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
It's buried in a hole in your mom's backyard, only
feet away from where you sit and smoke and congregate
all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
In your room right there, like literally right there.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
You're the closest one, actually that in that house to
where that gun was found.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
In those clothes, your bedroom where you sit and hang
out all the time, is actually the closest out of
anybody else's bedroom or anything else in that house to
where the gun was found.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, how do you think this looks? Man?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
The week before you break her door wrestling over it,
you hold a gun to her head.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You tell us that they didn't hold a real gun
to a head because I didn't have a real gun
and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Have a real gun. No, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I didn't find I didn't find the real one until
you know, I was in the apartment by myself, just
kind of looking through stuff.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
So do you think that that picture now isn't fake
of the of the gun.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I think that it's a picture that she probably had
because she had possession of the gun.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Okay, all right, So do you think it's a coincidence
that you were accused of.
Speaker 9 (31:42):
By your mother saying that you told her this, and
by your sister saying that you told her this, and
by Takeishu saying that she told your sister and your
mother this, that you broke her door and that you
held a gun to her head.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
No hold on, let me finish.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
The same gun that you reported stolen in January, that
you stole back the other day that you went to Scottie.
Do you think that that's kind of a coincidence that
all of that happened, and then it happened again and
she died, and then that gun and your bloody clothes
were found buried under your room.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Do you think that's a U Do you see how
this is lying up? But do you see how all
that's lining up? I don't have what are we supposed
to believe.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I don't have anything to do with how she would
try and weave her tail.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
She's not weaving her tail.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You told.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
But at the end of the day, whenever something would
happen between she and myself, she would try and blow
it out of proportion to my family members, which is
something I didn't do with At the.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
End of her at the end of the day, you
broke her door, held a gun to her head.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
No, I didn't the other day shot I didn't hold
that gun in your I didn't hold a gun to
my head, and I did not shoot her.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
It's amazing that you're trying to talk your way out
of No.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I'm serious. I didn't shoot her. I never did. I
never went back to that apartment.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
But Scotty didn't shoot her, right, I mean my thing?
Did Scotty shoot I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I can't. I don't want to blame people for anything.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You're going back and forth before when we're trying to
say I'm not the only person with a with a
glock forty three.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'm not the only person.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
You're the only one with a glock forty three under
your stairs and your DNA on it. That is the
same and killed her.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You didn't even have a block forty three X earlier,
it was gone. You didn't know what happened to it.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And you know a lot on your glock twenty two
and a block.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Forty three, but you didn't have a glock forty three X.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
So the glock twenty two was stolen. Have you miraculously
stolen that one? Back to no, no, so that one's
still out there until we find it, right and then,
I mean I.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Can right now.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
That is one hundred percent of bold face line you
told earlier. You said you did not know what happened
to the glock forty three X, so you reported it stolen.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
However, it's in a hole in MAM's backyard.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I mean, I wasn't going to say one.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I wasn't going to say anything about her taking the
gun and they me finding it and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I'm not I mean, I told you.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
You're facing murder charge. I mean you think that that's
a detail you should probably just skip over.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
I mean, I told you that it came a missing
because of her, But I found it, and I don't
even think that she knew that I found it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't even think that she knew that I found
it in her closet. She probably know.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I think she probably knew because you pointed it out
her head two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I didn't point.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Pretty sure she knew you had.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I didn't point that.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
In fact, I don't think it was ever stolen. I
didn't think that was a lot.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I didn't points like everything that you've been saying that head,
you haven't said one truthful statement.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That gun has never.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Been anywhere with me. I live in Connecticut, so I
had no point. It's no point. You bought it, Yeah,
but once it was, it was stolen. It once I
reported stolen, but then you stole it back it kind
of months later.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It wasn't any good to me. Why was because I
didn't shoot her with anything. But it wasn't any good
to me because I couldn't take that.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
On the And then I had already I had already
reported it stolen, and with it being in her possession,
I didn't know exactly what she might have done with it.
I don't know what she did with it between the
time that I found it and between the time it
was stolen.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I don't know if she let somebody hold it. I
don't know. I mean, it matters if you're trying to
take a gun on a plane, and I don't like,
what are you even talking about right now? The gun
has never made its way up north.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Okay, so we never said it did. We don't care
if it did.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
You haven't been honest this whole time.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
That gun.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I believe it.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Hey, I believe it.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
You probably didn't take that gun up north.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There you go. No, but that gun's been in Jacksonville
whole time.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Okay, what's your point?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And I know I didn't kill her?
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Oh okay, so I feel better.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Okay, hold on, Jerome did not kill her.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Type that up and close it up time, even though
the ballistic says you did, even though the clothing your
mom's that you buried, a hitting the ground and all
that good stuff. Yeah, even though Scotty doesn't exist, niggas bullshitt.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
About a gun, your own, your own family.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You didn't have anything to do with your month.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
We don't know. We've tried, we've all tried.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But all I know is that the last time I
wait was the day that I loved, which was that
last Saturday. And the first time that I had popped
up out there since then was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So I know for a fact, I know when I
got out the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You were there yesterday. You were there yesterday in the morning.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Two o'clock.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And how how we came back at about six o'clock
in the evening.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
How was I going to get there? I don't drive.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Your mom said you dropped you off for about fifteen.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
My mom did not like Friday or Saturday.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Bullet and that ball crew. Did you drove the ball
left the bullet?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
No, I never drove. No, I didn't drive it. No,
I didn't drive that Volvo? How did your bullet get
that bullet? Mom? No, you know I put that bullet.
I think that bullet was in our apartment. I think
I might have put it in my pocket or something
like that, like a loose bullet.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
Call your mom until you've been trying to implicate her
this whole time.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
No, Like, seriously, if the I don't know how many
bullets were in the gun, but if it was a
loose bullet, nine times out of ten I probably just
had it in my pocket.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Why did did you have a loose bullet in your pocket?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Because I don't, because I wouldn't leave something like that
in an apartment.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I've got.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
You care about your kids now, I always care about
my kid. You didn't ask about him until like ten
hours undo this investigation.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I didn't even know what happened in those apartments until
until you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Gave me the information you just said.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
Nine times out of ten, the statements immediately falling with lies.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I mean, everything you.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Said has been a lie, but there's definitely realizes.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I know that I didn't go back to that apartment complex.
I went there yesterday. Uh in concern. I called her
all day, I text her all day. My contact with
the mom, I know that I wasn't there. I never
I never went there.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
How long can we get? I think I got another
twelve hours? Let mean, let's just sit hand do this
for twelve hours? You good?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Yeah, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Tell me about can we tell me how when you
guys ask more?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Hold on?
Speaker 10 (38:34):
Start give me another nine times out of ten story?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
I like this. I don't have any nine times out
of ten. I think that a better term would be probably,
So you just say what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Nine times out of ten is always like a higher probability.
That's why I say that.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
I think there's a nine times out of ten, you
probably killed her.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I didn't touch her. Maybe you didn't touch he touched
the gun, how you pull the trigger. I've been in
the bullet touched her.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
So I agree you're probably right. Nine times out of ten,
I think you're right. You didn't touch her.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I didn't you shot her?
Speaker 8 (39:07):
In all seriousness, all like this, all the jokes, asidemon,
this is a serious situation.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I lost your life.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Man, She's laying there. I showed you the pictures. Okay,
it's horrible, gruesome scene. Those kids, they witnessed it.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They were there.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I don't know they had to live in that experience it.
Okay for seventeen eighteen hours whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay, you guys didn't get me out there alone. You
guys didn't give me the detail.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
That gun that killed her was found at your mom's
house is buried a hole.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, once it was returned to me. But I see but.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Tiper in your mom's car that are in that gun.
They're at the scene, but one killed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But once the gun was returned to me. I still didn't.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Explain the bullet in your mom's car then the same
one with the same case.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Did Scotty get in your mom's car?
Speaker 8 (39:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Did you loan scott to your mom's car too?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, say that the bullet was something that I just
picked up me.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
If I was trying to really do something, I just
would have took the bullet and put it inside of
the gun.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But I didn't have a gun.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Did you kill her?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Just straight up no?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Not a nine times out of time, not maybe not able.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Tell me now that you did not kill No, tell
me right now that you did not kill You do
not know anything about who killed her?
Speaker 15 (40:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Okay, cool Jerome. You're being charged with her, don't Mom.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I know I've been last walk there, can I get
it cigarette for a moment.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Those days are dumb it h h h h h
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h okay, turn out trans body. But we're not playing that.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
We're not playing.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Stop resistent stops for your.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Relax, not resist.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Just relax.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Now.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
If you moved, they're gonna tighten up on you.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's on you. Relax.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
You're still tensing up.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Drumk Relax Okay, listen, I know this is a lot
to deal with. Okay, I didn't do it. Hey, oh yeah,
well many I didn't do it.
Speaker 15 (42:19):
Okay, You've had ample opportunity to okay, and they have provided.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
You with more than an ample opportunity. They asked me
if the god did it? Okay, and I said, I
said I didn't know. Drunk.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Hey, stop tensing so he'd get off these I'm not
gonna tighten up on you.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
A lot of times you are trying to.
Speaker 15 (42:39):
You're trying to spit some irrational stuff at room full
of rational people. I think, including yourself, you are a
very rational person.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
He did it, he did it. I didn't do it.
I don't want about it. Don't media, nobody's gonna kill you.
I don't want about it to kill me because I
say that somebody did Okay, right, come set out.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
The only person who did something is a person sitting
in the friends and I believe.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
You still have about later from har there good like
to sorry. FI should be four points.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
If you want the press them, we're already put it on.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
They're on our cross art shop.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Anything.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I don't want any think something what I didn't want
to help do something to me.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
I think you do?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Oh do you know?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Is there arisingle?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
You're time to talk to me? Has finish here?
Speaker 4 (43:38):
If you want to take those, we'll put you.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Don't put these on there?
Speaker 6 (43:43):
The play you get sto good? Share with there, lose
up Lake sends the umtings.
Speaker 15 (43:49):
So so.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Are reality sitting in there? I just know that I
did reality setting it. Now you wanna worry before you
play calm and cool for a long time. No, But
as soon as I said, I just wanna paint it
on me, hand on you.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
I saw I've been talking to you for fifteen sixteen hours.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
You asked me. As soon as I said, I'm not
sure if he did it, you were like that man
I did, Yes, sir, might set up just made the
same mistake of a lot of people. Do you can't
you know use the small fie thought you couldn't an
your way out of it. No, I I know I
didn't do it. I know where I work, so hm,
I know where I was.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
The big one doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
They have a big one on work because it's his one.
Speaker 13 (44:45):
Yeah yeah, ah, that's too tight.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Come fuck you gotta work, thank your hands out.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Front building and commit the bab and you make the
right I think he's doing it the hard building.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
It might be building of five thanks.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
It was?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
It is this a doub bab bous little stuff. I'll
tag out and subd that you punt want that hopefully
nine times out of tennel find thank you?
Speaker 5 (45:33):
You like yeah how much?
Speaker 10 (45:37):
And his other blowings.
Speaker 16 (45:40):
I just want my letter, all right, man, we'll be back.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Please don't go anywhere by the way. You can't go.
You know, I know the cameras they have all off.
I know you guys watching it.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
That every one.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
A yeah, like my babies do him?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Where's your glasses? That drone and take a glasses? Uh?
And we're sitting right there. Okay. Did you think him
out there when you try to go out there? No,
Ill had him in my pocket. Okay, But I just
wanna make sure. I'm wanna make sure we get him
back here. I know that. I just know how it is.
Speaker 15 (46:42):
How was.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
The guy who I let hold of? God? I just
I just know that I wouldn't be safe if he did,
or if he did he used to come in here
and they.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Said that he did it, then I wouldn't be safe anywhere.
I'd have to ask to be in like the typic
testady and stuff.
Speaker 15 (47:06):
Here's the bottom line, now, all right, you are refusing
to accept responsibility for anything. You are characterizing everything and
making an excuse and coming up with these creative explanations.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I'm I'm accepting, I'm accepting responsibility giving the job to somebody.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
But what was your purpose of giving them the gun?
Speaker 17 (47:29):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
He just he asked me to hold it, that's do
you know? He he rented it from me? But why
what was he gonna do with what's going to do
with it?
Speaker 5 (47:37):
That wasn't my business whatever he was gonna do with it.
But he could have he could have win in the apartment.
That's he thought I was in the That's.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Nonsense, man, from you. Why would he do in the
apartment thinking you're in there? That's nonsense. People do that
stuff type stuff, you know, that's nonsense. Here's the thing, man,
all right.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Some some people look at me and they think that
I've had a guy in that apartment plays trying to
rob me, and I didn't even have any money on me.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
It's just one of those types of things.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
But the guy, if you ask about it, they'll probably
give you a description of my cities like Indian.
Speaker 15 (48:16):
All right, here's the thing I'm gonna take you back to.
I'm gonna take you back to the elementary right, essentially to.
Speaker 8 (48:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
From that age, growing up, you're taught.
Speaker 15 (48:30):
The difference between right and wrongely correct, yes, okay, And
you're also taught that if you do something wrong, there
is a consequence that's associated with a bad decision or
a wrong decision.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Can we agree with that? That's true?
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Okay?
Speaker 15 (48:43):
Now let me ask you this, Are all wrong decisions
done out of malice or ill will or anything like that?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Or are some of them accidents a little bit of both?
Speaker 13 (48:57):
Correct?
Speaker 15 (48:57):
So it's not we can't characterize and say everybody makes
a bad decision did it out of just sheer evil
and ill will?
Speaker 7 (49:03):
Right?
Speaker 6 (49:04):
There are people that truly just innocently accidentally.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Do things that maybe they shouldn't do. Right.
Speaker 15 (49:11):
We call those learning opportunities. Right, You learn from those.
That's what builds character in us as persons and makes
us better people. It provided we don't continue to make
those same mistakes.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
That's true, right, understood?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Okay, So now.
Speaker 15 (49:27):
I'm let's say I'm hypothetically speaking, I'm an eight year
old little boy. Mama goes to the grocery store and
she knows that this eight year old little boy loves
chocolate chip cookies. But the only time I get chocolate
chip cookies that if I eat all the veggies on
my plate. Right, Yeah, So I don't like my veggies.
(49:52):
I don't like to eat them every day. So sometimes
what I'll do is I'll slide a couple of moffie
and then a trash can. I'll slide them to the
dog the cat, and then I say, am I own
god some cookies?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Now I'm being completely honest with mom by saying I
ate my veggies? Am I being completely honest with them? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:11):
I am.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, I mean, I understand what your sound is. Agreeing
with what your sound.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
I don't want you to agree.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I want you to kind of.
Speaker 15 (50:16):
I'm trying to see if you're able to follow on
comprehend what I'm saying. Okay, So if I am dishonestly
getting rid of these veggies, giving them to the dog, throwing.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Them in the trash, But yet I'm telling my mom
that I am eating.
Speaker 15 (50:32):
All of them because I know my reward is going
to be a chocolate chocolate chip Cookie for myself.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I understand, but I know I know that I didn't
do anything. Okay, again, we can an agree to disagree.
Speaker 7 (50:44):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (50:45):
You will have an opportunity to explain your story before
a jury of your peers, okay, and then it'll be
up to them to make a determination as to whether
or not they feel like a reasonable prudent person such
as yourself who has such ridiculous explanations that that evidence
overwhelmingly contradicts these ridiculous explanations. And then it'll be up
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to them to the side which your future is going
to be. That is not up to me, that is
not up to anyone else here in this room.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (51:16):
So these are just things that you need to think
about and you need to process. Something went terribly wrong.
It's time to be a man, and it's time to
step up and on and take responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's plain and simple.
Speaker 11 (51:28):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
There's nothing at this point. There is nothing you can
do that's going to change what happened. There's nothing that's
gonna be back. Where is the weapon?
Speaker 15 (51:38):
It is now in our custody. Okay, I won't be
completely honest with it, just like these guys were. We
recovered the weapon from the place that you hit.
Speaker 6 (51:47):
We took it to our fire. One of the part
of the.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Delays of us taking so long to get back to
interview you is.
Speaker 6 (51:52):
We took it to our fire. We have a firearms laboratory.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
We took it and we had a professional test fire
with that gun. And that gun is the gun that
was used to kill that you used.
Speaker 15 (52:02):
Didn't kill it, Okay, If you didn't do it yourself,
you had somebody do it, plain and simple.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
I didn't ask you. I didn't even know that she
was dead until I made it to the scene. That's false, man,
that's true. That's fake news. All right. Again, I'm not
gonna I'm you're not gonna.
Speaker 15 (52:18):
I'm not gonna get it said, because we can agree
to disagree, all right. But what I'm telling you is
I don't need to tell you.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (52:25):
You know, you know, if you have any type of conscience,
any type of heart and soul, you know you know
what you did and what you're responsible for. I know that,
whether directly or indirectly, you know that, and you have
to bear that. I don't have to bear that, Okay,
that's something that.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
You have to bear.
Speaker 15 (52:42):
And obviously it's having an effect on you because reasonable,
prudent people.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Don't do what you just tried to do. But I know,
I know that I didn't do it. Okay, if you
personally didn't do it, then you know who.
Speaker 15 (52:56):
Did it, and you know why they did it because
you asked them for told them to do it for
you so you could distanced yourself.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
No, I would never ask anybody to do that for me,
but there might have been. I don't stay over the
last time that I was over there was that last Saturday.
Speaker 15 (53:12):
So you're telling me that the gun fairy no just
showed up or just showed up at your house.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Mysteriously with a gun that you used to cure and
you've just been and.
Speaker 15 (53:23):
Realize and accept responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Man, The responsibility that I'm willing to accept is the
fact that I gave him the gun.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
I shouldn't have asked. I shouldn't have told him to
give it back to me. Okay, Well again, and I didn't.
I didn't know what he did with it. I didn't
ask him to do other thing. And that's just well, again,
we can agree to disagree, Okay.
Speaker 15 (53:48):
I don't think there's anything productive that's going to come
from us continuing to talk about this, because you're going
to continue with your same story, which doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
I mean the thing about this, but the thing that is,
when he said that, it automatically felt like he was
just trying to.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
I felt like he was trying to disregard what I said.
I almost went insane. Facts and evidence do not align
with your story. Okay, it is reality. It is time
for a reality Just set it in and it's time
for a reality check. He's not trying to trick you.
He's not trying to persuade you into saying or doing
something that you didn't do.
Speaker 15 (54:27):
You are being charged with murder. We have had an
attorney from the State Attorney's office who has been part
of this investigation from the time we got called. That
attorney evaluates the evidence independently an objective.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
So who else it was? Me? And who else? What
do you mean you and who else me? Who are
the other suspects? We don't. We don't chase suspects. We
followed evidence is what we do. We follow facts and evidence.
Speaker 15 (54:54):
Okay, yesterday, which ultimately leads to the identification of a suspect.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
But yesterday, when you guys at me when I went
over to the scene, I wasn't doing anything but just
going out there to see what was going on.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
And I hadn't heard anything about anything that's possible that's true.
You may have convinced yourself that that. No, you can
prove that that is not true, Okay, and.
Speaker 15 (55:21):
That will you will get I'm telling you you will
have your day, sir. Okay, Let's let's talk about something different.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
H before we go to this next step. Can one
of your colleagues just give me a cigarette so I
can smoke and then I can go. I think a
cigarette cigarette. I think we have been more than accommodating for.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
You, Okay.
Speaker 18 (55:44):
I know that to you a while, You got your
you got your last one for a little while, Okay.
So I'm not trying to do You want me to
help you find Scottie.
Speaker 15 (55:56):
If if Scotty actually exists, Yes, but I think Scout
he's a fit, fictitious character.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Be quite honest with him. For whow A lot of
a lot of people out there, though, h did you
(56:28):
play any sports growing up?
Speaker 7 (56:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Played basketball? Football? Organized or just kind of pick up
here and there.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Organized? Okay, it wasn't bad. Alright, now, did you did
you play Pop Warner?
Speaker 7 (56:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (56:42):
I never played Pop Warner. Uh.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
My parents wanted me to kind of stay away from it.
I played basketball when I was that age. Okay, I
didn't play football until high school. Okay, do you go
to you went to University Christian.
Speaker 12 (56:55):
I went to University Christian sixth and seventh and eighth grade,
and then when I got to high school, I went
to First Coast uh FO a year.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
Then I went to reball. The rest of the the
remaining three played football rewall, Yeah I did. I made
it to an All Star game.
Speaker 15 (57:15):
Uh play, uh, defensive back or safety back or safety
running back or something.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I played middle linebacker. Really yeah, Okay, so I was
I was decent, But.
Speaker 15 (57:24):
I mean, I'm sure you're fast, but you didn't strike
me as having the size for a middle linebacker.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
I weighed like two twenty Oh okay high school. Alright,
it's like five l. Your pulse is in good shape. Yeah,
this is it's you got a good jeans man.
Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, I know it's hurting 'em man well Hurst the family,
Yeah it does. It's like a biggest crushes the family.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Man. I mean, did you play aau basketball. Uh no,
my cousin did it. Okay, but you know it's I
don't know what to say.
Speaker 7 (58:02):
Man.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
Know, you have your whole life in front of you.
Try to stay out of trouble. You try to walk
a tight rope. Make sure you take care of your
family while you doing it, try and keep a family pedigree.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Verstually.
Speaker 15 (58:22):
Sometimes things happen, man, Sometimes things happen. It ain't supposed
to happen. Mad emotions are hard to control. Math.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
I mean, it's just a major disappointment. It's not even you, man,
just you know, you feel like you let the family down.
Speaker 3 (58:37):
The main thing out. You did let your family all
ever thinking your family is a great family. All ever wanted.
It was just just take care of the family, make
sure everybody was what good.
Speaker 11 (58:50):
You can still do that because you know what, look
at what you look at what you have put them
through because of your actions. Okay, you can start to
fix that and repair that by saying, by being honest
with yourself, being honest with your parents, mom and dad.
Mom and dad are going to love you. They're gonna
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love you, they're your parents. There is no there is
no love. There's nothing that's gonna come between you and them.
That's gonna divide that love, all right.
Speaker 15 (59:20):
Sometimes it's tough love, and sometimes we don't want to
hear it, we don't want to feel it because it's
tough love.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
But that's a parent.
Speaker 15 (59:25):
That's a parent's job, right, It's true parents job is
to tell us, hey, I didn't raise you like.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
That, and I know they didn't raise you like that.
You're a kar but oh, just this type of situation,
just having this type of.
Speaker 5 (59:43):
News within the family, everybody within the network, then everything
that everybody's works hard or absolutely it's devastating. It hurts
a lot worse than anything else because you know, you
work so long to gain a reputation and all it
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takes is just a few moments and it's gonna put
things too.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Go away to a road and.
Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
You know, I can't even I I just I don't
have a feeling right now. I've never really felt this way.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Who else? Yes, do you think you're a bad person
or do you think you made some bad decisions? I
don't think I'm a bad person. I don't either.
Speaker 19 (01:00:39):
How live, you've been very successful, but when it comes
to relationships, emotions, choices and things of that nature, I
think sometimes I strive on to finish in some regards.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Hey, you listen to it. You're not alone. As we
all struggle with that, you're not alone. And then I
miss I missed the mom, I miss my.
Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Children in this situation is a major step backwards when
it comes to the things that I'm looking that I've
been looking forward to. You know, every day you wake up,
You just know, every day you wake up just the
(01:01:23):
only reason you try. But it's because, uh, who's coming
right coming behind you? Sure, it's the only reason you
you give it a shot, not absolutely dar reason why
you either you stay persistent.
Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
And I know, I.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Like, I know a lot w I pay a lot
of high prices. I mean a lot of sacrifices just
to just to get certain opportunities, just to.
Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
The same way your parents made sacrifices.
Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Just to even be able to sure do certain things. Man,
it's some schoo just to be able to live. And
when I say live, it's not my living. I'm I'm
breathing and drinking and stuff like that. Like live, Like
I can give my child an opportunity, I can teach
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my son a craft, I can give my daughter something
to help her that goes outside of beauty, passion and
stuff like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
That and helps with the main things that that push me.
Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
And but this situation, it's it feels like a lot
of progress when backwards and it hurts. It's it's an
unexplainable feeling where you have a vision, where you see
(01:02:59):
where things can go. Oh, and the only reason you
had a vision is because of your children. You know,
my time in the Son it's been gone. I'm an
adult now, but at that time and the son, it's
just just started.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Just starting.
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
That had.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It sucks.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
And I carried away so much even when it came
to carried away, carried away, carried away, she never even
looked that different thing, just put in my family in
a different situation. She she wasn't a home owner until
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I bought a house. And that was a proud moment
for me because I did it by myself.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Sure, I said a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
That I put my kids in my house and I
had place for her to go. And look, you just
you just take you just take the inertia.
Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
You just.
Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
Keep going and moving forward, and it turns into different things.
It transitions into different things. And and the only reason
you do that stuff is for you kids. The the
reason why you buy a house and not go get
an apartment.
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
It's sold.
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Your children have a yard to play in, so your
children can have a true ownership, privilege and safe place. Yes,
add something to color her own, something that they were
comfortable in, something that.
Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
They you know, Yeah, I asked her mom.
Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
I asked her mom to let her live with her
for a few more months while I got things together.
Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
In Connecticut once I moved, cause my mama's right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
You know, she was just wanting to try and do
something on her on you know, just have her own
place where. Realize she had it was be patient class,
something bigger than what she was looking at. I didn't
think Commission Point at a safe place for my kids
to stay. I hated it when she I I felt
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like she was tormenting me when she moved my children
out of there, because that's a place where I would
never go and get an apartment at. You know, got
a guy selling weed, selling marijuana right down the ways,
stuff like that, and.
Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
I didn't grow up like that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
So for me to see my kids in the situation,
I was totally different from my childhood. I felt like
she was short changed, and I put it on my
back again, like alright, let me do this, let me
fix this, let me make sure we get what we
need when I'm where I'm at. It's so that, you know,
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cause I was, I'm always in charge of everything. I'm
always in charge to finances, I'm always in charge to
whatever we do, and I felt like we lost to
the teamwork aspect of things. The only reason you do
what you do is for your family the rest of yourself.
You know, nobody gives a damn doom the type of
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shirt you wear right, because they have thousands of different brands, materialistics.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Something can be replaced. Nobody gives a Relationships can't be right.
Speaker 15 (01:06:25):
The relationships and the value you place them, and the
examples that you set it can't be there.
Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You replaceable exactly. And you know you put those strong
things into this.
Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
It's like you put those those solid fundammals into your
children and you just pray that those things grow within them,
while at the same time teaching them not to overly
emphasize on some of the things that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Within society we look at as oh, we have to
have it. Know, the main things that we have to
have come.
Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
From a from more of a pyramid standpoint where you
talk about hierarchy of needs and where you have to.
Speaker 15 (01:07:08):
Have a solid foundation for starters, right exactly, no matter
what foundation's gotta be somelwa when we talk.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
About food coming and shelter being at the foundation, moral values,
whatever you're in stecial or puss. And then once those
things are on cruise control.
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
By that, by that time, you'll you'll stop think, you'll
have you'll be able to do some of the things
that you wanna do without even thinking about it because
the foundations will be so strong.
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
It's like it's like when people talk about building.
Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Castles and sand or building a castle on concrete, things
like that, and you know me, I I never mind
it working hard, you know, I never mind it y
doing the extra work.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, like even with my family, probably because you knew
that if you if you exp.
Speaker 15 (01:08:05):
To achieve some type of success or a result, you
knew that you had to put into work. I can
tell that you come from a good family. Your folks
are good people. Your folks I'm telling you they are
you know. I I just met them.
Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I can tell. And you can tell.
Speaker 15 (01:08:23):
You're educated enough to know that when you meet someone
you can tell if they were genuinely a good person,
I can tell.
Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
But a lot of times you still deal with people.
I'm sure, I'm on both sides, and sure, you know,
you always have to. It's just a certain way of doing.
And you you, we we learn, we see things from
both ends. We choose well, we always stay within our square,
(01:08:52):
but we accept others from their square, and we're able
to develop things based on like minded That's what makes us.
Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
That's what despite what, despite what differences and things that
are going on in our country, that that's what still
makes us the.
Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Greatest country in the world. I agree, right, I agree.
I mean the militans, we are.
Speaker 15 (01:09:15):
Never going to agree on everything, and it's okay to disagree,
right Yeah, but uh, I just wish more people would
stopt and understand that.
Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
And accept that as the problem. That's something that I
had started kind of.
Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
I wasn't overly sharing, you know, but I had one
of the those things where.
Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I just kind of I'm a black man.
Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Most people who are my color, the only thing they
like a shoes and clothes and jewelry. I don't even
wear jewelry because in some forms it's you know, a
god took me a long time. Don't wear it all
and being conservative always wins the game. And when I
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look at my people, I look at people who look
like me. Yeah, I only see or meet people like
myself so far and in between.
Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
So I try and.
Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Make sure that I could be an example of a different.
Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Type of wholesomeness than what a person would see in
their neighborhood or their home. Most people where I come from,
or not where I come from, but most people African Americans,
they their lives were centered around the urban corps for
the most part.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
A lot, a lot of things are generational. I grew
up in Mandarin. You know what I mean, So I
can right, So.
Speaker 15 (01:10:52):
You had a a considerably different upbringing I had a
lot of You grew up at horse Marta exactly in
the bricks of their hilltop exactly.
Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
No I get I I I colpoel livershit.
Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
I think that it makes the difference when at least myself,
I can walk in my positivity or in my light
or in my darkness and make a difference from a
different level, not by just saying what I say or
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doing what I do about living it by being able
to reach people who I know when I talk to
some black people and be afraid to talk to them.
I've seen I've seen blacks not give other racist chances
just because they were fed poison in the households. And
(01:11:43):
I've had people for uh different races treat me better
than my own, you know what I mean, and you
know off talking to them. And as a African American male,
I can see the difference when I deal with people
a little bit who look like me because they they
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can see it as well.
Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
And you know how, don't back down from it. I hate,
I hate, I hate racist man.
Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
One of my best friends fend of the time, my
other best friends, uh Indian, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
So so when I would walk into the urban Corps
and I would hear, no, we're gonna do that because
they they look like us, a lot of people would
turn the back on me.
Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
A lot of people turn the back on me because
I didn't I didn't lean towards the black vote or And.
Speaker 15 (01:12:44):
Why is that you have a solid foundation, right, solar
foundation of course, values and everything else that was.
Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Instilled upon you, and you have the courage to stand
for what you believed in. Yeah, but I know that
you have to judging man by the captor, not their parents.
How said your hand percent correct? And I know that.
Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
You know, in my walks of life or my courses,
my obscle course, it's my journey. Those have been the
things that have made the difference. I had friends from
my walks of life.
Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Man, they.
Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
They lack the diversity and the perspective to see things
a lot more clear.
Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
It's a lot. I could talk for hours on it, man,
But you understand why I'm come. I do okay? You know,
how do I say all that? Having said all that that,
we just talking about why did this happen? What led
up to this? How did we get here? Man? I
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don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Maybe somebody feel like they were doing me a faith,
but it wasn't a favor. Know, when it comes to me,
A lot of times some people try to especially people
that look like me, they they o they'll.
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Overly try it. They'll overly try and appease me to
a degree in some regards. And they do it.
Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Because I'm different, you know what I mean. And I'm
not God, I'm not Jesus, I'm not Peter, Paul or Mark.
But when it comes to how I do things, I'm
just I accept that everybody I'm accepting. I don't look
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at where people come from. I look at where you are.
I don't look at how you grew up. I look
at how you talk to me. You can say all
of the wrong things to everybody else, but if you
say the right thing to me, I have no choice
but to say, alright, man, you know what I mean.
And I just see people ask themselves. I see people
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as a soul. I see people as of spirit. I
see them for who they are. I don't look at
the other things, and I think that when I deal
with people, they see that with me. I don't turn
people around, no matter where they come from, or not
better than anybody, no matter where my family comes from.
Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
But I do have a standard when it comes to
how I to how I when it comes to how
I like to deal with people.
Speaker 15 (01:15:47):
At the end of the day, like I said before,
you gotta be completely honest with yourself, and you're the
one that has to bear those actions.
Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Good. However you do that and however you deal with
that is up to you. I can't force that upon you.
Nobody can. There's nothing that anybody can do that's going
to change.
Speaker 15 (01:16:06):
What happened, what is transpired over the last twenty eight
hours or whatever it may be by now that we're
into but there aren't things that we can do from
this point forward to try to begin to repair things
as best we can.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
And the damage is done, unfortunately, and it is it
is catastrophic damage. I don't I just wanna raise my
kids that I think that's gonna be. I think you're
gonna have a significant setback.
Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
In doing so.
Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I don't wanna go to children. I wanna make sure
I watch them grow up. They're different things I wanted
step understand.
Speaker 15 (01:16:43):
I understand, but again I see that unfortunately, sometimes emotions
get in the way of our rationale or decision making.
Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
All it takes a split second. And I would love to.
Speaker 15 (01:16:56):
Share with you of my opinion on what I think happened,
But we don't operate on the chandnis because I I
have a I have a pretty good idea of what happened,
and I don't think it's even been touched on.
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I truly think everyone not that they're meant to
happen the way they did. And I truly think that.
Speaker 15 (01:17:27):
Something got heated and something happened that wasn't supposed to happen,
and then panic set in.
Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
And it's like, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, Oh
my goodness, how can I fix this?
Speaker 15 (01:17:39):
I've I have I have become accustomed to fixing things
my entire life. I'm not only a doer. I'm a
provider and I'm a fixer. But I have never been
faced with anything like this before. And that's when panic
sets in. Yeah, and that's when things get sloppy. And
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then that's when we have to get more creative at
trying to figure out how we're going to explain things.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm
not trying to put thoughts in your mind. I'm just
sharing some information with you. Okay, I've been doing this
job for a little while, Alright.
Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
That does not I am not.
Speaker 15 (01:18:21):
That does not mean that I'm sitting here telling you
that I know everything because I learn things every day,
and I learn things from people that are younger than me,
people that are older than me, people that look like me,
people that don't look like me. I understood because I
place a lot of value in the people that I encounter,
and then I surround myself with I understand, and I'm
a formal leader. I'm treating people receiving me with respect
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and the same way that I would want them to
treat me and treat my family.
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
That's a great statement. So before we get to this
next sequence, uh, I wanna know if what if your
comedies could just let me smoke one time so that
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I could just go through this process. M I just
figure out go through what process? I don't know how
this is calling on.
Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Alright, So I'll walk you through the process.
Speaker 15 (01:19:28):
Cause what's getting ready to happen now as the guys
are finishing some paperwork from there where you're gonna walk
you over to the gym and you're gonna be You're
gonna give it antike process where they're gonna bring or
print you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
And photograph you.
Speaker 15 (01:19:42):
And then when it comes to the photo and everything,
I would anticipate that sometime either tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon, you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Will go before a judge. I want to know if.
Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
You guys can keep the news out of the situation, nondisclosure,
they leave, they could leave my picture off of.
Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
The headlines, things of that nature.
Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
They are going to you know, obviously you watch the news,
right yes, you know how they are has names.
Speaker 7 (01:20:26):
It has not.
Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
It has not.
Speaker 15 (01:20:29):
I can tell you that for sure because I am
the one part of my responsibilities in my duties as
a supervisor with the homicide unit is that I'm the
one that has to address the media. So last night
I stood up before all of the local news cameras
and provided them with a very brief explanation of what
we knew at the time, because we knew very little
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information at that time. Okay, But as the investigation progresses
and when we get to a point where an arrest
is made, there is a thing in state of Florida,
It's called the Sunshine All which requires entities like us,
a public entity, to.
Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Share information with those outlets.
Speaker 15 (01:21:08):
Okay, right, So it's not like not that we're doing
it because we want to be cruel and m and
run your name through the dirt on that.
Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
It's essentially a requirement.
Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Basically, I know the news uh sometimes UH spatializes the.
Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
High that.
Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
In my op this is merely my opinion, personal opinions.
I completely agree with that statement.
Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I mean what my thing is. When it comes down
to it, they have a job to do. They do,
But in regards to.
Speaker 15 (01:21:46):
I feel like they could be a little bit more
respectful in the manner in which they do their jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Me personally, I right, I understand they have a job
to do it, but there are certain situations where.
Speaker 15 (01:21:57):
I think if they were to just maybe for once,
put themselves or their families, if they in the role
of the story that they're reporting on.
Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I believe that they would have a different outlook and
a different perspective on things. I wish that. I don't know, man,
maybe I say wad right now. I'm sure it is.
I'm sure it is.
Speaker 15 (01:22:25):
I you have a you have a lot to take in,
and you have a lot to think about. So and
you're gonna go through a roller coaster of emotions. This
is definitely something you were not used to parents before.
Judge with this type of stuff, how to stack go.
Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I mean, it's just like any other first appearance.
Speaker 15 (01:22:45):
I mean, they're gonna review the probable calls updated and
they're going to say yes I agree or no, I
don't agree that there's probable cause for this arrest, and
then they will set a bond.
Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
But and then from there the clock stars and the
the the process stars. Yeah. So yeah, but at at
any point.
Speaker 15 (01:23:18):
You're going to, you're going to be appointed representation, and
then either you personally or your family. You always have
the option to hire counsel or someone to represent you.
But if at any point during that process you decide that, hey,
I would really like to I would really like to
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share exactly what happened, cause you'll get.
Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
To that point eventually, I should just you know what
I mean, at.
Speaker 15 (01:23:45):
Some point you're gonna get there, and and right now
I can't even imagine what's rolling through your brain. I
really can't, you know, But at some point you will
get there, you know, and it'll cause I think r
I think up until maybe thirty forty five minutes ago,
I don't think reality had set in.
Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
But I think now reality is slowly starting to at
least up here.
Speaker 7 (01:24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
I should have just I should have just ramp the
public office or been a preacher. So I actually been
a preacher. But quick, you know, like I said, what's
done is done. Nobody can change it. Kay, Just But
there are dirr as bad as a seasons right now.
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There are still things you can.
Speaker 15 (01:24:28):
Do to help the situation, to help good, to help
your babies, and to help both of your families.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
What does that look like?
Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
What does that look like?
Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
With this?
Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
It starts with be an office to yourself.
Speaker 15 (01:24:44):
And not doing this because that's all you've been doing
for the last fifteen or sixteen hours, deflecting, pointing things
this way, pointing.
Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
Things that way.
Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
You know why because of self preservation, Because when we
do that, we protect what right that this stuff.
Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
So at some point, what we have to do is
we have to stand before that mirror that we look
at and we have to say, so, think I I
need to.
Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Be honest with you. Just need enough says make your part.
So but uh, oh shool, what happened?
Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
So what I was saying was, at some point, I
think you're going to You're gonna get m to the
realization that.
Speaker 15 (01:25:41):
I need to be honest with myself, need to be
honest with my family, need to be honest with your family.
Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I need to be honest with my children. But uh,
I was uh the guy who uh had you uh cigarettes?
Can you give me? What? What is that gonna do
for us? Right now?
Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
It would just calm my nerves because I know once
I walk out of here, I won't be back here again.
Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
After that.
Speaker 15 (01:26:13):
Well, the only time you will come back here is
if you make a determination that you wanna be honest
with yourself and you wanna tell us exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
That's the only way you find yourself back over here.
Speaker 15 (01:26:24):
Yeah, because you're getting ready, I I mean, you're getting
ready to go into an environment that it's definitely not
something that you're.
Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Used to have. Yeah. Uh, people with these types of charges,
what what floor is that it varies because they have
just gone through a whole reclassification. They still have a
little bit of.
Speaker 15 (01:26:49):
Prov uh proven COVID protocol things over there, so they
kind of sometimes have to arbitrarily move people. I would
say predominantly they're they used to be on the fourth
and fifth MM, but they they were moving they they
m Sometimes there's little to no explanation for the housing assignments.
So and and again that is a completely different side
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of the house than what we work on with. That is,
the correction side is different. Even though it all falls
within the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. MM, they have their own
kind of policies, practices and things.
Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Over there that are different than the way we run
texts on the police side. So I wish I could tell.
Speaker 15 (01:27:28):
You more or more specifically how it relates to that
in your housing assignment, what floor and who you be
with and all that, But I I I don't know, alright,
And that's one thing about me. I'm always gonna be
completely upfront honest with you. If it's something I don't know,
I'm gonna tell you I don't know. I'm not gonna
make up some silly answer and expect you to believe it.
M I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna
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tell you something that you wanna hear just because I
think you wanna hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, alright. It may not always be what you wanna hear,
but it would be the truth. I promise you that, alright.
Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Huh.
Speaker 15 (01:28:01):
And that's what we expect from people when we come
in here. And it takes a while sometimes, but eventually
we get.
Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
To that point. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I can tell, man,
I can tell how happy this is waiting on you, man.
Speaker 15 (01:28:19):
And what that tells me is it tells me you're
a good person because you got a conscience, and it
bothers you because if it didn't, and if you were
truly just an evil person, it wouldn't bother you.
Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
It would not bother you one bit. You would be
sitting there, you know what you'd be doing. Matter of fact,
you'd be doing what most of them do that don't
have a conscience. They come in and go to sleep
just like that because it doesn't bother it doesn't phase them. Yeah,
but you're a good person man, you are.
Speaker 15 (01:28:49):
You just let your emotions get the best of you,
and you made something went terribly wrong. You made a
poor decision followed by a couple other poor decisions, and ultimately.
Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
That's what's led you to being here. No, the colleague
of yeah, tryna walk me out or a smoke break
before they send me to process.
Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 15 (01:29:11):
I think our smoke breaks are over, kay. And again
I'm not saying that because we're trying to be ugly
or anything like that. But no, But I mean, based
on your kind of demeanor and your behavior, we gotta
be very limited on you know, where we take you
and what we what happens, right because ultimately, your safety
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is our responsibility. So I don't want to take you
somewhere that kind of goes beyond the scope before we
have to go minimally and minimally, all we have to
do is walk over to the jail, right, But if
we go elsewhere and you kind of make a poor
decision and you do something that results in something that
compromises your safety, our safety, whatever else, then it puts
(01:30:00):
us all in a kind of a bad situation understuff.
So so I hope you understand that, and you all
ready okay. I wish you the best, man, I mean,
but I think a A I think you're slowly. I
think you're slowly getting there. And if before you leave,
you decide you need to get something off your chest
(01:30:21):
and you want to tell us exactly what happened, I'll
be more happy to listen to.
Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Alright, there's nothing that I can say that would get
me all that's correct, there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 15 (01:30:32):
But but what I told you is there are things
you can do and say that are going to be
into a show that you are finally accepting taking some
ownership for your actions and being responsible and taking and
being accountable. I guess more, and then begin to repair
(01:30:52):
things for your family, because what I was telling you
about the biggest I think for me from an outsider
looking in, knowing what a good family you have and
that you come from.
Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Is that that just the disappointment alone in your mom
and your dad and Micah and your sister.
Speaker 15 (01:31:13):
They are they truly truly care about you, they really do,
and they have your best interest in mine, but they
are disappointed that not only have you put yourself in
that position, but you have put them in that position
because of your actions. Your actions led to what eight
or ten police officers coming to their house today for
hours out of time.
Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Their neighbors are out there going, what in the world
is going all the time? What's going on? I understand?
Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Can we moves into the right one? Yeah? Yeah, that's important.
So only you can fix that, man.
Speaker 15 (01:31:48):
I can't fix it, all right, And that's gonna take
you first, being honest with yourself, being honest with your family,
being honest with your Children's right.
Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You're right there, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
You will.
Speaker 15 (01:32:01):
You want to do it, and you know what, you'll
feel so much better because right now I'm sure it
feels like you got thousands of pounds.
Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
On your shoulders.
Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
That right.
Speaker 15 (01:32:12):
Where you go from don't know, don't just don't don't go,
don't worry again, and you will once you get that
stuff off your chest. You're gonna you're gonna feel like
you're instead of you sitting.
Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Like this, You're gonna be like I have. At least
I have to wait off for me. Right, it's behind me.
I don't have to I don't have to wonder what's
coming next, who's coming to talk to me next? I
don't have to continue to bear this this pain. Right,
(01:32:47):
I haven't seen number finished before. We gotta do it'll
get jumping away. Okay, It's just a couple of minutes now,
I'll realize it, right, all right? You know water or anything?
Uh wanted a cigarette, but I can't give you that? Right?
A sad? Uh?
Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
Good?
Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Right now?
Speaker 7 (01:33:07):
I uh oh mum, it's been a warm day in
(01:33:30):
High spl.
Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
So it's shot. Is homemaking hot in there? Uh that's
a little warm. Oh that it's kind of cool as well.
Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
It's not like that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I've been manage that. You can I get a lot?
Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
You say, yeah, that's actually when my job is based.
I was in Jacksonville getting some uh stuff straightened out
with my doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
What party could I get?
Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
A new avin? You like an alt? Yeah, it's not bad.
It's like an hour away from New York. It's cold
in the winter, right, Yeah, it snows a lot. Yeah,
get bad at I enjoy it. It's nothing like home, though,
m you know here at home just has some culture,
(01:35:07):
you know what I mean. Jacksonville is so big to
the point where you know, you go to different sides
of town.
Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
It's like cities within a city.
Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Oh you right, like Orange Park, Middleburg, the north side, Jacksonville,
south side, beaches, Fern and Diana for American people like
Jacksonville had so many cities within the city.
Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Yeah, it's no other place like it. What's your h
what's your mom? But what's she different living?
Speaker 15 (01:35:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
She used to be in management as well.
Speaker 7 (01:35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
What about your stepdad? You feel like a military guy.
Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Yeah he's in the military really yeah, but he dealt
with uh construction, a construction Enginet. I did the same,
but I was like superintendent.
Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Might good lundy in.
Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Then yeah, I left it alone. Man, once I got
a job in uh Connecticut school. That type of stuff
is across across you cross transferable. Yeah, for the most part,
just different. John John, where are you originally from?
Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Military? Kid?
Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Up?
Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Hob been everywhere nice but moved here and ninety nine
s do some work and then have this job. Have
you been here too long now to leave? Guy's job
seems pretty last I'd rather be in. I don't want
(01:37:00):
to know. There's spend a lot of time in North
Carolina like there. Yeah, your job doesn't seem too bad.
Job doesn't seem too bad. Job. Yeah, your job doesn't
seem too bad.
Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
I can be.
Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
The different personalities and people like myself. Yeah, it's uh,
you know, whether it be.
Speaker 20 (01:37:28):
A traffic ticket or some little an argument, they don't
nobody's ever happy with you because people just wanna do
what they wanna do.
Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
Normally how it is.
Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
It's normally how it is. Yeah, I don't as long
as about putting.
Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
Me on one of those floors, I don't know. I
don't wanna be somewhere with it's too brownly. I I'd
want somewhere to whacking stay with myself mong tuh.
Speaker 20 (01:38:18):
Yeah, let's see, I've lived here in North Carolina, Nebraska,
Washington state.
Speaker 21 (01:38:26):
You was born in Maine, lived in Alaska. I think
that's the whole place I've lived.
Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Like play what places I've lived for Jacksonville, Uh, Orangeburg,
South Carolina, and Connecticut. It was what most of the
major moves, and I mean, yeah, yeah, Orangeburg was pretty slow.
Speaker 7 (01:38:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
I went to school, that's oh that was so bad.
Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Everybody was doing the same things, so we always had
you know, group elements and things like that.
Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
It's pretty smaller everything it is, uh you know.
Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
But it's like right outside of Columbia. M So Columbia
really is a bad m about that far from Charlotte then, right, No,
Charlotte was like, uh two and a half hours away.
Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
My my oldest son, he stays in Charlotte. He's five. Yeah, uh.
Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
Good, that's right about shit hart with you, cause now
I feel like somebody else. I thanks got somebody else.
Speaker 7 (01:40:03):
Raison.
Speaker 17 (01:40:05):
Don't quite a lot of anything the Dagon fan or
did you switch over to the Patriots little up there.
Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
I don't really watch a whole lot of sportsman, h
I'm always a Jags fan along with the Stealers.
Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
I don't watch much sports eater anymore.
Speaker 22 (01:40:33):
Actually, once I had kids, I feel like I'll ever
watched it was a Disney yell, but none that all
grown up so exactly, I can watch whatever, and I
sometimes to stow watch the Disney yell.
Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, you know, we have to watch what floats they're about. Yeah,
for they like, you know, what's just one of those things.
Think a lot of my new interests kind of follow out.
Its like watch a lot of history child uh, trying
to get my kids into it.
Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
Yeah, this stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
If I choose to watch TV. You know, it's almost
like the TV is always in front of us. With
how my cell phones are made now yep, they pressing
it out and and there it is.
Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
You all know it's ESPN and the whole Now you
don't even have to watch TV. It's true, cause I
find myself in here a lot of times. I'd just
get tired of doing something. Next year, nice, try to
do what?
Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Last time I saw these something like this, I had
gotten a dy and now I was in I spent
the night in jail.
Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I feel like that was just the first experience
in my whole time life. Yeah, I'm just looking at
it now. It's like, Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Turn out, transpody be what my partner just touched on
fireballistics a little bit ago, just a minute ago when.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You were in here, right.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
You said you understood a little bit, Vio, don't really
think you do.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What do you understand about?
Speaker 5 (00:36):
I know that guys have certain patterns on the shelves
and stuff once they process.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Okay, what was the process as far as where did that?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Was it the one you purchased where you hold it
for a friend?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Was it Nicks? No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. It
could be a.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Twenty two or it could be a forty three X
I'm telling you, I'm saying forty three as in the pictures.
I know that she caliber is a nine mili media.
Why didn't you mention that earlier? Why did you feel as.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You first know?
Speaker 8 (01:18):
What I'm saying is fifteen hours we've had to.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Because I know that I know that I didn't do anything.
Speaker 8 (01:25):
Because what I just told you earlier, you give up nothing,
and then every time I confront you on something, you
just lie.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I know that I didn't do anything to.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Her, So we're not talking about that. We're talking about
the gun. When did you put the gun there?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
And where did the gun come from?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
That's what we're trying to figure out out.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The gun has been there for a while, for a while.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
How long is a while?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But I don't use it.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm gonna make sure everyone knows what you did your
own kids.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, I think you know I didn't do anything. She
saw kids and I didn't absolutely not do anything.
Speaker 9 (01:56):
You know, how looeen it's been since we first put
you in a handcofter right now, it's spend less than
twenty four hours. It's been somewhere maybe fifteen ish. Do
you know how long those kids were by themselves with
their dead laying there alone in that apartment with no adults,
no food, no water, no nothing.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
How many smoke dricks have you gotten?
Speaker 9 (02:16):
How many times have we offered you food, water, gone
to the bathroom make sure you were doing okay?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Did anyone check on them?
Speaker 9 (02:22):
They were in there longer by themselves, with their on
the floor, laying their blanket on her because they wanted
to be near her, because they were by themselves longer
than you've been here with us.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Somebody, somebody returned it to me.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
How do you How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Everybody you said earlier when you were talking about reported.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Stuff, I mean because I don't know what they did
with it.
Speaker 9 (02:42):
How is it.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
One of the guys who what's their name?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's a young guy.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
What's their name?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
He calls itself Scottie.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
What's his real name?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't know?
Speaker 10 (02:53):
Man, is this some more he calls himself nick, He
calls himself Scotty.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Bullshit. Man, No, it's not a it's not a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But I don't and a half years you you're up
there with my top most evil people I've ever dealt.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
With and talked to.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Somebody returned it to me, but I know that I
didn't use it. It came out to the middle It came
out to Middleburg and dropped it off to me.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I would show you those pictures again, but you don't
give a ship.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
There's nothing. He didn't do anything to you earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hurt my spirit.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I can tell you're real hurt.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You just keep lying and I'm tired and I'm not
really lying to you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
How are you gonna explain.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
How do you explain the fact that those two casings,
the silver nine billimeter casings from around dead body, matched
the gun that's in the backyard. Explain it to me.
Lie your way out of that one. Come on, give
me your evil lies.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I don't have any lies, and I don't have an
explanation for that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I do know that my gun did get retired
to me from a guy in the cop I just
did come back.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Why'd you buried in the dirt thing?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I just left it back there? Anything like that. My
mom doesn't like stuff like that in the house.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
She's got her own guns.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
She likes guns, but she doesn't like She doesn't like
me to have a gun on my person.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Though.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Do you care about your mom?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You don't catch your mom when she.
Speaker 10 (04:21):
Saw us on earth that gun, she hit the floor.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
My mom isn't guilty of anything.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
But I know that, yeah, you are, she wrote down
because she knows you are pure evil.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
How are you going to explain blood on those clothes
that were hidding with that gun?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That's your side of clothing.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Explain that I don't have any blood on anything. I
don't have any blood.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So now it's just from lying to the ninth.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I haven't been. I haven't been there since laste. I
didn't give it to anybody. I mean, I mean, I
just you know, God gave me like he gave me.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like a hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
He wanted to hold it, and then he returned it
to me. When was up, he returned to me. Maybe
I don't really.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Think so he has no reason to kill her.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's stupid.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Stop.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think he knows are passing. But I don't think
because I don't stay out I was.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I gave you a little bit of credit earlier for
being in confidence in that I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't stay out there and.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
Cause usually of someone who is smart, at some point
will start to recognize defeat getting caught.
Speaker 10 (05:33):
Let me just separate myself from you're not doing that.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
No, but my thing is no. But I know where
I was, I know what I didn't do. I know
that I didn't do anything to her, And saying it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
A thousand times doesn't make it true.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know that I didn't do anything to her.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I know that I know that the weapon did get
back in my possession. Your kids will know the story
as they get that. Promise you that they would have.
They'll know that I didn't care.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Tell you lied to me for a second. How did
the gun.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Get back to you? The guy came?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And how did he come?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
He was driving.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He met me at the store at he meant the
next to the smoke shop across the street from the
wall Greens.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I rode a bicycle. He was in a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
What vehicle was he?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I think he might have been something old, like a
like a cavalier or something.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, And he brought it back to me and.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Did you what did you do? What did you manipulate
at all?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Did you rock the slide?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Did you do anything to it?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
No?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Did you put in it? Did you shoot it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No? I didn't shoot it.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
What did you do with it?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
How many times did Scotty drive your mom's vulgat?
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Never? Oh?
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Then how did the same mamma from the glot getting
your mom's vulgar?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What do you mean? What does Scotty look like Scotty?
He's more of an a rap.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
He's more of an a rap.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So does he look like you a little bit? I'm
African American?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So okay, describe Scotty's physical statue. She built like you?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
No, he's skinny, Okay, So why is it that your
son saw datman, not Scotty.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
My son.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You just said Scotty didn't even know if he.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Knew, he's never been around your No.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
But even when it comes down to what she had
going to that apartment contact, I don't know who she dated.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I've seen her talk to a guy who I was
cool with.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So I don't know how she moves.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But at the end of the day, you know that
was how that.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
A mom's car to set mom up.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
I'm telling you, No, I didn't throw a bullet at
a mom's yard.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You said there wasn't be nothing there.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Now, No, I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I didn't I didn't throw a bullod at a car,
And you want me to go to rest your mom.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, I didn't throw up. I didn't throw anything in
a car.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
If I had Scotty gave you a gun that you
don't know Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But if I had you.
Speaker 8 (07:49):
About Scotty, but you're going to hide a gun for
him and then throw a bullet from.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
That, I mean if you gave me, if you gave
me like a one hundred dollars just to rent it, I.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Mean, how did the bullet from the guns that Scotty
gave you that you hitting the dirt in your mom's yard?
How did one of those same bullets get in your
mom's car, the same car that she gave you a
ride in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I'm not I'm not sure.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
The same car that you snuck out the other night
to go kill.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean, if I had extra bullets from that gun,
then that's just that. That's probably the last time you
drive that. I've never driven it never, No, I don't
drive at all. She picked me up in it, when
she picked me up in that bable today when she
picked me up again.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
How the casings that were her dead body, how do they.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Match the same gun that's hitting them hole in your
mom's backyard, next to your clothes, the bloody clothes that
you wore to kill.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
The guy stays in the apartment complex, well, I think
he stays out there. I know he hangs out out there.
So you know, he and I we we made each
other a couple of times. But he asked me if
he didn't hold it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know, I don't believe it. You just don't care.
You're just not gonna come off of it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm just being honest. You gonna take it to your grave, and.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's cool because you're gonna sit in prison. No, I'm
just being a prison I'm just being hones.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That's cool. You're gonna be honest in prison.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
You know, I'm being honest about anything I have. I
know that I haven't committed a murder. I didn't shoot anybody.
The last time that I was ever, the last time
that I was in that apartment complex was when my
mom picked me up in that volvo, when you picked
me up.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And how much time did you spend in jail on
your restaurant he be alive?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Uh, maybe a to day.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Damn, you've gotta road to her to coming when you
get to prison.
Speaker 10 (09:39):
One day in jail, that's all you know about the inside.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I feel sorry for you, bro. You can just guess
what do you go?
Speaker 10 (09:47):
A lot of them boys, See how that works out
for you. No, I'm not I have to follow certain
rules and protocols.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Ain't no rules, and I understand.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But other than you're about to be new meat.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I'm not guilty of anything. I know that I
didn't on that I'm done listening.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
You tell me that you tell them that when you
get in there and when those prison guards find out
and read your case and talk, see what you do
with your own kids?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You know what they do to people that like mess
with kids and hurt their own kids.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And I didn't hurt my kids. And I didn't tell
you Scotty did it? Nick did it?
Speaker 11 (10:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Nick is never over that only thing?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Did your son?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Did your son? You were there, but I brought up Nick.
That was just me talking about.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Scotty.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That was just me talking about the president.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
How many random first name people have given you guns?
Because it was Nick earlier and you didn't know anything
about Nick. No, but anything about Scotty earlier. Where Scotty
come from?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean he stayed, he his hangs out.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Out there, But you're not out there, So how do
you know?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I mean when I used to go out there and
visit so much.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Is there anything that we can say that You're not
just gonna come up with some crazy lie, some story
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
You know, your family's legit concerned for you, like they
legit are just like what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But but I'm not lying about it.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I didn't I know that I didn't do anything to
anybody grew up with, and even when it comes down
to the gays guy who I let hold it for
one hundred bucks, I don't even think he did it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I know that he turns he didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He doesn't have a reason to know.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I know you're the only person that has a reason.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You couldn't have done because he gave you the gun
before it happened.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
No, I got the gun back. I got the gun
back like yesterday earlier.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
You said it's been a while, and I said, how
long is a while?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
A couple of days, a couple of months, a couple
of years, And you said a while, while it is
not a day.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, you asked me.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
You asked me about the time between when I had
seen him, from when he picked it up to now.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
There's nothing. There's nothing ut there.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's the same man.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I don't know where you went versus where your family went,
because your family is top notch people. I mean I've
spoken all of them now, most of your brother, your sister,
your mom, your dad.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Not to talk to your people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, But I say, I don't understand the evil.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
I don't understand what happened you're like, where how did
you get so?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
What happened to you? When did your soul die?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm not guilty of anything. I didn't do it.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
What did your soul die? What kills your soul?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
My soul is alive. I didn't do anything. I'm not
guilty of anything. And I know Scott is. No, Nick's
not guilty of anything. He just let me. I mean,
think about it, anybody, I'm not I'm not putting any
blame on anybody. But I know what I didn't do.
I can't speak on what the next person did.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
And then every time you've had a chance to get
out in front.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Of something, no, but I know a lot of kids know.
Speaker 10 (12:48):
Then when we come back and catch you in it, I.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Mean because at the end of the day, I know.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
But at the end of the day, I know that
you guys were looking for we're looking for the person,
the person who murdered her, and I know that I
didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
We're not looking.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
So did you get Scotty close you hit those clothes,
the gun and the clothes.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You got those clothes from Scotty too? Would he take
some of your clothes? No? Okay, then what's the deal?
Speaker 10 (13:16):
With the clothes that are right there next to where the.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Gun was put those there, and he gave.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Me all the stuff. He gave you all the stuff,
gave me all of it. I didn't know what he did.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
Though, So those weren't just some stuff that you threw
it out after doing home.
Speaker 10 (13:29):
And you drove that shit all the way back to
the river.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I didn't try it.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
We want to.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I didn't drive it anywhere.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Those those closing items, that's just that stuff that's just
laying around.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But old you're cool, but he brought it too cool.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I don't know, man like I mean, there's obviously we're
not gonna make any progress, all right, I'm given you.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
I know that fifteen hours worth of opportunity to come clean, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I know that I didn't murder, and I know that
you did. I did.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's where we are.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
That's and better than that, we can prove that you did.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So you can even when.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Even with but even with those clothes, nothing was done
with those clothes, I know because I just.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Got and gave him to you.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
You know, just how do you know it was done
without that?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I know Scotty gave me back the gun.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
You just said Scotty gave you all the stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Just literally two minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
You first said.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Listen, saying that you guys are talking to me. Confusing, No,
you talking to me at the same time. I've been
up for twenty four to twenty six hours.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Sixty three seconds ago, you said Scotty gave you all
that stuff, and then you said he only gave you
the gun.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
To go ahead, explain, I'm not gonna talk.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, when it comes to the gun and everything, he
gave me the gun back, we're kind of gun was uh,
it was a.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It was a glock.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It was a glock that he ranted from it for
like a hundred buckslock.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
What it was either twenty two or forty three.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Where'd you get it from?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
It was probably one of the same lot.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Probably. Where'd you get it from?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It was probably one of the same ones from over
there at the apartment.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I can't help myself. You liked, probably and maybe a lot.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Where'd you get the gun from? Did you find it
laying around like the BB gun?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, I didn't find that laying around.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Then.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
How did you get it from the apartment?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I mean I had I took the gun.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I took it with me from where I stole it
back from who I stole it back from her before
I left.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
She never stole it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You left it there and I reported it stolen.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
She had originally stolen it, and I took it back
without her knowing that I took it back.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's important?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
It's very important.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
You being in possession of a firearm that killed and
her unborn child doesn't seem important to you. You leaving
your two kids for seventeen hours to fend for themselves,
playing on the floor, It doesn't seem important to me.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The main fact, What does seem important to you that apartment?
Are you?
Speaker 6 (15:56):
The only person that's important to you?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Your well being, not the well being the children that
you want this, not the well being of the woman
that you're supposed to care for, not the well being
of the unborn baby in her stomach.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
You don't care about any of that because you are
an evil person. I was never did this, and you
don't care about anyone but you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I was never at That's the end of it.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
There's nothing else you can say.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I was never at that apartment.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Coll Please you keep saying that ten more times.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I see what's gonna change.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Hold On, hold on, I was never at an apartment
of Complex one hundred and seventeen times.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I got that heard it. I'm sitting here telling you
you were.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I wasn't.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
Okay, I never went That's what you're gonna stand on
your great I.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Never went there. And when you stayed in Middleburg the
whole life.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I don't know who.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I am.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Sure at some point your mom will get beyond this.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Maybe right now I can tell you she's just but
the guy, but the guys, and some day your kids
aren't gonna come back.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But the guy who gave me the gun back, I
don't know what he did with it.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
But your kids you've already told this.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Scotty didn't kill her, Yeah, I said, I don't know
what anybody would do.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If anybody did something with the weapon, they wouldn't tell me.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I think your mom might come visit you in prison,
but your kids won't understood.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But yeah, I'm not guilty.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Okay, I'm not guilty. Can I get a witness?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No, I didn't. I didn't do anything too, all.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Right, that's it. Fifteen hours. If I didn't do it,
that's where we are.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I gave you all the reasons why you didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But I didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I just confronted you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I didn't do it. Who didn't I did? How I
didn't do it?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
You don't know that is the only thing that I
know is who'd you send over there to do it?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I didn't send anybody anybody to do anything.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
You didn't have anybody go kill But you're very quick
to say I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I was there.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I didn't there.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You can look. You can look through my you can
look through my You guys have my phone.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You've already lied about that.
Speaker 10 (17:51):
We looked through your phone and saw the stuff you
were holding earlier.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
We looked through your phone earlier and saw all the
effort that you had withheld from us the first.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Go round A bit.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, I didn't kill anybody. I didn't put my hands
on her.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Do you know who killed No? I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It could have it could have been hell.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Did you discuss her killed with someone?
Speaker 7 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I didn't. Did you Was she aggravating?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Was she threat No?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I know that. I mean she did threaten me sometimes.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
She did aggravate me sometimes, but it wasn't worth a murder.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I know that you in any way, shape, or form
have anything to do with either killing, playing the killing,
setting up the killing. You have no idea who did no,
and you have no idea why someone would.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I can name reasons, but there probably wouldn't be a
my potence to support it.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I'm sorry, anything changed, the still didn't do it. Okay,
just walk me back through this.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I'm just gonna try and understand and the story that
you've given us. So you buy a firearm sometime last year,
a block forty three XS correct, I'm a millimeter block.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, Okay, you got it at her apartment, right, Yeah,
you leave it there when you go back to Connecticut
and she steals it. Yeah, she said that she couldn't
say she couldn't find it and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Okay, when do you come back and steal it back
from her?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I probably foud not probably When did you come back
and steal it from her? You can give me an
approximate date right.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Right before I want to say, maybe like last maybe
like right before I left her apartment, because she left
me there by my left her apartment when.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Like last Saturday? It was between last Friday and last Saturday.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Where did you find it that.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I found it in a closet.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Which closet?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I found it in her bedroom closet and her bedroom closet.
Was it in a box? What condition was? It was
like tuck on the ship, behind a lot of clothes
and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Where was everyone else when you found it?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Now she had taken the kids with her. I was
by myself. Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Was it loaded?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah? It was loaded. It was loaded with what it
was just loaded with bullets?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
You know, a color?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
But mine whole point, I'm I'm not sure what color
was it?
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Was there one in the chamber?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Okay, But it was loaded with a magazine, had.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Something in it? It probably did have one?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Probably did or did or didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm not sure I did.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It seventy three? Probably anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I didn't. I didn't look at those details.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
You were saying it was loaded. I'm just asking loaded.
It was low guns in two.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Conditions, loaded unloaded?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Which one was it?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
It was loaded, But I'm not sure when you say
loaded you mean one in the head.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm talking about the clip was in it? The clip?
Speaker 13 (20:51):
Was there?
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Load?
Speaker 6 (20:52):
It's in the clip?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
There was?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Was there one in the head?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
H I think so?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Did you how do you know that there was bullets
in the clip and one in the head.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm kind of fifty to fifty on whether it was
one in the head or not.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Okay, how did you know that there was bullets in
the in the.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Clip because you can because of the weight of.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
It, because of the weight up, So you never took
the clip out and looked at it. No, Okay, So
that was Saturday.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Is she steal it back? Where do you do with
it after you steal it back?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The guy? Well, I saw the guy and stuff like that.
He saw he saw it on my saw Scotty one day.
He was like, hey man, you let me hold it
one day and I really this.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Was after Saturday. Yeah, you know which day that was.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If that was Saturday, I probably saw.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
If that was Saturday, I think if I found it
on Friday, and if I left Saturday, that means I
spoke to him that Saturday.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So I found it Friday, saw him Saturday left middlebird
Saturday J left.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I left.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
So the same day that you find the gun, you
loan it to some random guy.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I am Scotty.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
No, I no, I had seen him around quite a
bit everybody.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
But you don't know his name. You don't know what
he looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I mean, I think he's Indian Indiana.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Okay, So let's let's get past that because I don't
want to get drawn up on the details that.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
You like to that you like to go down.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Friday, you find your guns that's been missing for months,
that you reported stolen back in January, so for seven months.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
This gun's been stolen.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
The day after you find it, you give it to
a guy named Scotty that you've seen around.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
The thing about him is.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Did you or did you not give the gun to
Scotty the day after you found it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
That's a yes or no question.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, a little motorful, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Did he pay?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Give him add buck? He gave you one hundred bucks?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
So then where do you go after that? On Saturday?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I stayed in Middle Bird until.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
You came back yesterday to the scenes.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's the first time I went back to Michigan.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Okay, when did Scottie bring the gun?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
But he came back to he came back to Mission Point.
I want to say yesterday afternoon around it might have
been twelve twelve thirty one.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Ish, yesterday afternoon around twelve twelve thirty one.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Ish, probably around that time ballpark and when he gave
it back to me, because I'm not dripping.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
That I was a middle bird.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Yeah, okay, and so how did how did you run
into him in middle work?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I mean he sent he sent me a he sent
me a message on what on on Facebook?
Speaker 9 (23:44):
So if I go to your Facebook messenger, I'm gonna
find a gun saying I'm gonna find a message saying.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
What I might say, Hey, I'll drop it off at
at such and such.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Okay, do you know what his Facebook name is?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think it's like Scotti Beans, Scotti Beams.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
So I'm gonna in a minute, I'm going to go
look at your phone, at your Facebook messages, and there's
gonna be a message from a Scottish person saying, Hey,
I'm coming forty five minutes south to Middleburg to give
you a gunback that you lent to me the day prior.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah about a key?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Did you give him a key to?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
No? Well, you gun. I wouldn't give it Scotti. I
wouldn't give a person a kid.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I told you that this gun was used a So
can you not help us figure out good based on that?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
I mean, I don't want to. I mean, I don't know.
I didn't ask. You didn't know what they did.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
When do you leave the house? How do you go out?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
When I ride the bicycle, I just ride out of
the How do you get out of the house?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Sometimes I just walked through the front door.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Through the front door. Well, when you want to go,
met Scotti, did you go through the front door?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
What do you mean when you want to go?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Mat Scotti?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Did you do? Was an middle bird?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Where else were you on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I might have walked. I might have walked through the
Oh you talking on Saturday? Last Saturday?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Last Saturday?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Was my mom picked when you said you got the
gun back?
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Well, yesterday, yesterday I left out of the.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Are you Nick Canscotty? Maybe I think you're drawing Nick
can Scotty.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I'm not. I'm just me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
But here's me.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm just I'm just drawing, bursting.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
So but I did walk out of the garage, and
I grabbed the bicycle and I left and rolled up
there and I grabbed it. And because I couldn't meet
on him, I couldn't drive out there and anything like that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So he came some somewhere where I could get it
from him.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Do you know who killed me?
Speaker 7 (25:47):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Did you have anything to do with the orchestrating, setting up, planning, potting,
the killing of.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And you didn't anyway assist, help or aid in the
killing of disposing ofver, covering up any evidence of No,
the killing of Tshika.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
No, And I can say backlash not knowingly.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
And even if you did know about that, but you
didn't physically do it, we still had the issue of
you left your kids there for seventeen eighteen hours?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
How can I leave?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
How can I leave my kids somewhere if I'm not
even there in the first place?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Easy?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You have no soul when you're evil? Told you that earlier?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
How was I honestly? How can I didn't even know?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Are we being honest?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
We haven't been honest this whole time? Are we're being honest?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Now I'm being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Now you are?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Now you're you haven't been?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Are you? Do you want to be honest? Now I'm
being honest?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
All right, let's then honestly tell us what happened.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I didn't I never made I can't really get that
far because of the transportation issue.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
So oh, I thought we were being honest. Are you
gonna tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The last time?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
The only person who gave me a ride to that
side of town aback to Jacksonville was was Deal yesterday
around five thirty pm. That was the first time I
had gone back to that complex since the day that
I left. But you know, if I was driving or
something like that, I probably would have taken it to him.
But I couldn't get anybody. You know, I wasn't gonna
(27:23):
uber left. I couldn't get out.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Your mom didn't take you over there at any point
in the past few days.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
No, your mom never dropped me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, she picked me up from over there Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did she drive you over there. She'd give you.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Fifteen twenty minutes to go do what you need to
do inside and then drive you back home.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
But she didn't say out like waiting, and she didn't
drop you.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Off and leave and go back home. So now mom's
a liar.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
No, my mom doesn't know.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
My mom doesn't she doesn't really condone.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I missed your mom. She's a really sweet lady. I
like her. So if you're gonna start telling me she's lying, and.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
No, she doesn't condone foolishness. But my mom she she wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
She wouldn't do anything like that. I haven't been.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You're not saying your mom did. Your mom said that
she dropped you off for your.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Mom a liar.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I haven't been since last Saturday.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
And you don't have any idea who would hurt saturdays?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And yesterday Saturday, well, yesterday was the first day that
I had gone over there since last Saturday. In the past,
she would prop she would take me off. So you
were you were over there. No, I wasn't. I said
in the past, my mom she would take me over
there for like.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But I just said that. But I'm talking about the
ends of past. You said that she does not this
not this week, not this week. Though she didn't take
me there this week, I stayed. I stayed in Millburgh
the whole entire week.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Do you think we're believing anything that you said right now?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I mean, you can look at my phone location stuff.
You can look at all that I haven't been.
Speaker 14 (28:58):
So helped me find Scott Let's fink skause.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
It sounds like Scotty had the gun. He's probably the
one that killed her. So how can we identify Scotty?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
How I got touch with Scott?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't think he will do that.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
He had the gun. Who else did it?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I don't think he would do that. Well, he had
the gun.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
So we gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Just like we're going through all these motions with you,
we gotta go through the motions with Scotty.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Were gonna go back to mom again? Don't do that?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
So like, no, how are we gonna find Scotty? But
it's my phone.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I can try and see if I can see if
I can bring the page up, but we would probably
have to sit out it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't think he stayed out there. I think he
probably just.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
You said he stayed out there, so now he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Stay No, I said, I didn't know if he stayed
out there or not. But he's kind of well known
out there are a lot of people. He just kind
of If I go around and ask around about Scotty,
everyone's gonna know who Scott is nine times out ten,
someone's gonna know Scott nine times.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And when I asked you, how about that gun? He said,
he's gonna say that he gave you, you gave him. He
gave you a hundred bucks to hold it on Friday
and then turned around and came all the way to
Milburg to give it to you on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
He may or may not.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And what if he doesn't, who's lying?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I think that he would be the one who was
lying because I thinking because I'm mentioned.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
So, when we find Scotty and we take Scotty's DNA
and we compare it to the DNA on the gun,
is Scotty's DNA.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Gonna be on the gun nine times out ten?
Speaker 9 (30:21):
Is your Well, no, it's not nine times out of ten,
that's it?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yes, I believe.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
It's buried in a hole in your mom's backyard, only
feet away from where you sit and smoke and congregate
all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
In your room right there, like literally right there.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
You're the closest one, actually that in that house to
where that gun was found.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
In those clothes, your bedroom where you sit and hang
out all the time, is actually the closest out of
anybody else's bedroom or anything else in that house to
where the gun was found.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, how do you think this looks? Man?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
The week before you break her door wrestling over it,
you hold a gun to her head.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You tell us that they didn't hold a real gun
to a head because I didn't have a real gun
and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Have a real gun. No, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I didn't find I didn't find the real one until
you know, I was in the apartment by myself, just
kind of looking through stuff.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
So do you think that that picture now isn't fake
of the of the gun.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I think that it's a picture that she probably had
because she had possession of the gun.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Okay, all right, So do you think it's a coincidence
that you were accused of.
Speaker 9 (31:42):
By your mother saying that you told her this, and
by your sister saying that you told her this, and
by Takeishu saying that she told your sister and your
mother this, that you broke her door and that you
held a gun to her head.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
No hold on, let me finish.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
The same gun that you reported stolen in January, that
you stole back the other day that you went to Scottie.
Do you think that that's kind of a coincidence that
all of that happened, and then it happened again and
she died, and then that gun and your bloody clothes
were found buried under your room.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Do you think that's a U Do you see how
this is lying up? But do you see how all
that's lining up? I don't have what are we supposed
to believe.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I don't have anything to do with how she would
try and weave her tail.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
She's not weaving her tail.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You told.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
But at the end of the day, whenever something would
happen between she and myself, she would try and blow
it out of proportion to my family members, which is
something I didn't do with At the.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
End of her at the end of the day, you
broke her door, held a gun to her head.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
No, I didn't the other day shot I didn't hold
that gun in your I didn't hold a gun to
my head, and I did not shoot her.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
It's amazing that you're trying to talk your way out
of No.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I'm serious. I didn't shoot her. I never did. I
never went back to that apartment.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
But Scotty didn't shoot her, right, I mean my thing?
Did Scotty shoot I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I can't. I don't want to blame people for anything.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You're going back and forth before when we're trying to
say I'm not the only person with a with a
glock forty three.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'm not the only person.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
You're the only one with a glock forty three under
your stairs and your DNA on it. That is the
same and killed her.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You didn't even have a block forty three X earlier,
it was gone. You didn't know what happened to it.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And you know a lot on your glock twenty two
and a block.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Forty three, but you didn't have a glock forty three X.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
So the glock twenty two was stolen. Have you miraculously
stolen that one? Back to no, no, so that one's
still out there until we find it, right and then,
I mean I.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Can right now.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
That is one hundred percent of bold face line you
told earlier. You said you did not know what happened
to the glock forty three X, so you reported it stolen.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
However, it's in a hole in MAM's backyard.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I mean, I wasn't going to say one.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I wasn't going to say anything about her taking the
gun and they me finding it and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I'm not I mean, I told you.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
You're facing murder charge. I mean you think that that's
a detail you should probably just skip over.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
I mean, I told you that it came a missing
because of her, But I found it, and I don't
even think that she knew that I found it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't even think that she knew that I found
it in her closet. She probably know.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I think she probably knew because you pointed it out
her head two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I didn't point.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Pretty sure she knew you had.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I didn't point that.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
In fact, I don't think it was ever stolen. I
didn't think that was a lot.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I didn't points like everything that you've been saying that head,
you haven't said one truthful statement.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That gun has never.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Been anywhere with me. I live in Connecticut, so I
had no point. It's no point. You bought it, Yeah,
but once it was, it was stolen. It once I
reported stolen, but then you stole it back it kind
of months later.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It wasn't any good to me. Why was because I
didn't shoot her with anything. But it wasn't any good
to me because I couldn't take that.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
On the And then I had already I had already
reported it stolen, and with it being in her possession,
I didn't know exactly what she might have done with it.
I don't know what she did with it between the
time that I found it and between the time it
was stolen.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I don't know if she let somebody hold it. I
don't know. I mean, it matters if you're trying to
take a gun on a plane, and I don't like,
what are you even talking about right now? The gun
has never made its way up north.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Okay, so we never said it did. We don't care
if it did.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
You haven't been honest this whole time.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
That gun.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I believe it.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Hey, I believe it.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
You probably didn't take that gun up north.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There you go. No, but that gun's been in Jacksonville
whole time.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Okay, what's your point?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And I know I didn't kill her?
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Oh okay, so I feel better.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Okay, hold on, Jerome did not kill her.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Type that up and close it up time, even though
the ballistic says you did, even though the clothing your
mom's that you buried, a hitting the ground and all
that good stuff. Yeah, even though Scotty doesn't exist, niggas bullshitt.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
About a gun, your own, your own family.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You didn't have anything to do with your month.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
We don't know. We've tried, we've all tried.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But all I know is that the last time I
wait was the day that I loved, which was that
last Saturday. And the first time that I had popped
up out there since then was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So I know for a fact, I know when I
got out the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You were there yesterday. You were there yesterday in the morning.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Two o'clock.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And how how we came back at about six o'clock
in the evening.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
How was I going to get there? I don't drive.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Your mom said you dropped you off for about fifteen.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
My mom did not like Friday or Saturday.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Bullet and that ball crew. Did you drove the ball
left the bullet?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
No, I never drove. No, I didn't drive it. No,
I didn't drive that Volvo? How did your bullet get
that bullet? Mom? No, you know I put that bullet.
I think that bullet was in our apartment. I think
I might have put it in my pocket or something
like that, like a loose bullet.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
Call your mom until you've been trying to implicate her
this whole time.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
No, Like, seriously, if the I don't know how many
bullets were in the gun, but if it was a
loose bullet, nine times out of ten I probably just
had it in my pocket.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Why did did you have a loose bullet in your pocket?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Because I don't, because I wouldn't leave something like that
in an apartment.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I've got.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
You care about your kids now, I always care about
my kid. You didn't ask about him until like ten
hours undo this investigation.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I didn't even know what happened in those apartments until
until you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Gave me the information you just said.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
Nine times out of ten, the statements immediately falling with lies.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I mean, everything you.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Said has been a lie, but there's definitely realizes.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I know that I didn't go back to that apartment complex.
I went there yesterday. Uh in concern. I called her
all day, I text her all day. My contact with
the mom, I know that I wasn't there. I never
I never went there.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
How long can we get? I think I got another
twelve hours? Let mean, let's just sit hand do this
for twelve hours? You good?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Yeah, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Tell me about can we tell me how when you
guys ask more?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Hold on?
Speaker 10 (38:34):
Start give me another nine times out of ten story?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
I like this. I don't have any nine times out
of ten. I think that a better term would be probably,
So you just say what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Nine times out of ten is always like a higher probability.
That's why I say that.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
I think there's a nine times out of ten, you
probably killed her.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I didn't touch her. Maybe you didn't touch he touched
the gun, how you pull the trigger. I've been in
the bullet touched her.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
So I agree you're probably right. Nine times out of ten,
I think you're right. You didn't touch her.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I didn't you shot her?
Speaker 8 (39:07):
In all seriousness, all like this, all the jokes, asidemon,
this is a serious situation.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I lost your life.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Man, She's laying there. I showed you the pictures. Okay,
it's horrible, gruesome scene. Those kids, they witnessed it.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They were there.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I don't know they had to live in that experience it.
Okay for seventeen eighteen hours whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay, you guys didn't get me out there alone. You
guys didn't give me the detail.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
That gun that killed her was found at your mom's
house is buried a hole.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, once it was returned to me. But I see but.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Tiper in your mom's car that are in that gun.
They're at the scene, but one killed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But once the gun was returned to me. I still didn't.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Explain the bullet in your mom's car then the same
one with the same case.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Did Scotty get in your mom's car?
Speaker 8 (39:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Did you loan scott to your mom's car too?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, say that the bullet was something that I just
picked up me.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
If I was trying to really do something, I just
would have took the bullet and put it inside of
the gun.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But I didn't have a gun.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Did you kill her?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Just straight up no?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Not a nine times out of time, not maybe not able.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Tell me now that you did not kill No, tell
me right now that you did not kill You do
not know anything about who killed her?
Speaker 15 (40:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Okay, cool Jerome. You're being charged with her, don't Mom.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I know I've been last walk there, can I get
it cigarette for a moment.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Those days are dumb it h h h h h
(41:37):
h okay, turn out trans body. But we're not playing that.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
We're not playing.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Stop resistent stops for your.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Relax, not resist.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Just relax.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Now.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
If you moved, they're gonna tighten up on you.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's on you. Relax.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
You're still tensing up.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Drumk Relax Okay, listen, I know this is a lot
to deal with. Okay, I didn't do it. Hey, oh yeah,
well many I didn't do it.
Speaker 15 (42:19):
Okay, You've had ample opportunity to okay, and they have provided.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
You with more than an ample opportunity. They asked me
if the god did it? Okay, and I said, I
said I didn't know. Drunk.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Hey, stop tensing so he'd get off these I'm not
gonna tighten up on you.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
A lot of times you are trying to.
Speaker 15 (42:39):
You're trying to spit some irrational stuff at room full
of rational people. I think, including yourself, you are a
very rational person.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
He did it, he did it. I didn't do it.
I don't want about it. Don't media, nobody's gonna kill you.
I don't want about it to kill me because I
say that somebody did Okay, right, come set out.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
The only person who did something is a person sitting
in the friends and I believe.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
You still have about later from har there good like
to sorry. FI should be four points.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
If you want the press them, we're already put it on.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
They're on our cross art shop.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Anything.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I don't want any think something what I didn't want
to help do something to me.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
I think you do?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Oh do you know?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Is there arisingle?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
You're time to talk to me? Has finish here?
Speaker 4 (43:38):
If you want to take those, we'll put you.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Don't put these on there?
Speaker 6 (43:43):
The play you get sto good? Share with there, lose
up Lake sends the umtings.
Speaker 15 (43:49):
So so.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Are reality sitting in there? I just know that I
did reality setting it. Now you wanna worry before you
play calm and cool for a long time. No, But
as soon as I said, I just wanna paint it
on me, hand on you.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
I saw I've been talking to you for fifteen sixteen hours.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
You asked me. As soon as I said, I'm not
sure if he did it, you were like that man
I did, Yes, sir, might set up just made the
same mistake of a lot of people. Do you can't
you know use the small fie thought you couldn't an
your way out of it. No, I I know I
didn't do it. I know where I work, so hm,
I know where I was.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
The big one doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
They have a big one on work because it's his one.
Speaker 13 (44:45):
Yeah yeah, ah, that's too tight.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Come fuck you gotta work, thank your hands out.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Front building and commit the bab and you make the
right I think he's doing it the hard building.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
It might be building of five thanks.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
It was?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
It is this a doub bab bous little stuff. I'll
tag out and subd that you punt want that hopefully
nine times out of tennel find thank you?
Speaker 5 (45:33):
You like yeah how much?
Speaker 10 (45:37):
And his other blowings.
Speaker 16 (45:40):
I just want my letter, all right, man, we'll be back.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Please don't go anywhere by the way. You can't go.
You know, I know the cameras they have all off.
I know you guys watching it.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
That every one.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
A yeah, like my babies do him?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Where's your glasses? That drone and take a glasses? Uh?
And we're sitting right there. Okay. Did you think him
out there when you try to go out there? No,
Ill had him in my pocket. Okay, But I just
wanna make sure. I'm wanna make sure we get him
back here. I know that. I just know how it is.
Speaker 15 (46:42):
How was.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
The guy who I let hold of? God? I just
I just know that I wouldn't be safe if he did,
or if he did he used to come in here
and they.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Said that he did it, then I wouldn't be safe anywhere.
I'd have to ask to be in like the typic
testady and stuff.
Speaker 15 (47:06):
Here's the bottom line, now, all right, you are refusing
to accept responsibility for anything. You are characterizing everything and
making an excuse and coming up with these creative explanations.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I'm I'm accepting, I'm accepting responsibility giving the job to somebody.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
But what was your purpose of giving them the gun?
Speaker 17 (47:29):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
He just he asked me to hold it, that's do
you know? He he rented it from me? But why
what was he gonna do with what's going to do
with it?
Speaker 5 (47:37):
That wasn't my business whatever he was gonna do with it.
But he could have he could have win in the apartment.
That's he thought I was in the That's.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Nonsense, man, from you. Why would he do in the
apartment thinking you're in there? That's nonsense. People do that
stuff type stuff, you know, that's nonsense. Here's the thing, man,
all right.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Some some people look at me and they think that
I've had a guy in that apartment plays trying to
rob me, and I didn't even have any money on me.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
It's just one of those types of things.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
But the guy, if you ask about it, they'll probably
give you a description of my cities like Indian.
Speaker 15 (48:16):
All right, here's the thing I'm gonna take you back to.
I'm gonna take you back to the elementary right, essentially to.
Speaker 8 (48:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
From that age, growing up, you're taught.
Speaker 15 (48:30):
The difference between right and wrongely correct, yes, okay, And
you're also taught that if you do something wrong, there
is a consequence that's associated with a bad decision or
a wrong decision.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Can we agree with that? That's true?
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Okay?
Speaker 15 (48:43):
Now let me ask you this, Are all wrong decisions
done out of malice or ill will or anything like that?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Or are some of them accidents a little bit of both?
Speaker 13 (48:57):
Correct?
Speaker 15 (48:57):
So it's not we can't characterize and say everybody makes
a bad decision did it out of just sheer evil
and ill will?
Speaker 7 (49:03):
Right?
Speaker 6 (49:04):
There are people that truly just innocently accidentally.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Do things that maybe they shouldn't do. Right.
Speaker 15 (49:11):
We call those learning opportunities. Right, You learn from those.
That's what builds character in us as persons and makes
us better people. It provided we don't continue to make
those same mistakes.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
That's true, right, understood?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Okay, So now.
Speaker 15 (49:27):
I'm let's say I'm hypothetically speaking, I'm an eight year
old little boy. Mama goes to the grocery store and
she knows that this eight year old little boy loves
chocolate chip cookies. But the only time I get chocolate
chip cookies that if I eat all the veggies on
my plate. Right, Yeah, So I don't like my veggies.
(49:52):
I don't like to eat them every day. So sometimes
what I'll do is I'll slide a couple of moffie
and then a trash can. I'll slide them to the
dog the cat, and then I say, am I own
god some cookies?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Now I'm being completely honest with mom by saying I
ate my veggies? Am I being completely honest with them? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:11):
I am.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, I mean, I understand what your sound is. Agreeing
with what your sound.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
I don't want you to agree.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I want you to kind of.
Speaker 15 (50:16):
I'm trying to see if you're able to follow on
comprehend what I'm saying. Okay, So if I am dishonestly
getting rid of these veggies, giving them to the dog, throwing.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Them in the trash, But yet I'm telling my mom
that I am eating.
Speaker 15 (50:32):
All of them because I know my reward is going
to be a chocolate chocolate chip Cookie for myself.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
I understand, but I know I know that I didn't
do anything. Okay, again, we can an agree to disagree.
Speaker 7 (50:44):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (50:45):
You will have an opportunity to explain your story before
a jury of your peers, okay, and then it'll be
up to them to make a determination as to whether
or not they feel like a reasonable prudent person such
as yourself who has such ridiculous explanations that that evidence
overwhelmingly contradicts these ridiculous explanations. And then it'll be up
(51:09):
to them to the side which your future is going
to be. That is not up to me, that is
not up to anyone else here in this room.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (51:16):
So these are just things that you need to think
about and you need to process. Something went terribly wrong.
It's time to be a man, and it's time to
step up and on and take responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's plain and simple.
Speaker 11 (51:28):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
There's nothing at this point. There is nothing you can
do that's going to change what happened. There's nothing that's
gonna be back. Where is the weapon?
Speaker 15 (51:38):
It is now in our custody. Okay, I won't be
completely honest with it, just like these guys were. We
recovered the weapon from the place that you hit.
Speaker 6 (51:47):
We took it to our fire. One of the part
of the.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Delays of us taking so long to get back to
interview you is.
Speaker 6 (51:52):
We took it to our fire. We have a firearms laboratory.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
We took it and we had a professional test fire
with that gun. And that gun is the gun that
was used to kill that you used.
Speaker 15 (52:02):
Didn't kill it, Okay, If you didn't do it yourself,
you had somebody do it, plain and simple.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
I didn't ask you. I didn't even know that she
was dead until I made it to the scene. That's false, man,
that's true. That's fake news. All right. Again, I'm not
gonna I'm you're not gonna.
Speaker 15 (52:18):
I'm not gonna get it said, because we can agree
to disagree, all right. But what I'm telling you is
I don't need to tell you.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (52:25):
You know, you know, if you have any type of conscience,
any type of heart and soul, you know you know
what you did and what you're responsible for. I know that,
whether directly or indirectly, you know that, and you have
to bear that. I don't have to bear that, Okay,
that's something that.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
You have to bear.
Speaker 15 (52:42):
And obviously it's having an effect on you because reasonable,
prudent people.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Don't do what you just tried to do. But I know,
I know that I didn't do it. Okay, if you
personally didn't do it, then you know who.
Speaker 15 (52:56):
Did it, and you know why they did it because
you asked them for told them to do it for
you so you could distanced yourself.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
No, I would never ask anybody to do that for me,
but there might have been. I don't stay over the
last time that I was over there was that last Saturday.
Speaker 15 (53:12):
So you're telling me that the gun fairy no just
showed up or just showed up at your house.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Mysteriously with a gun that you used to cure and
you've just been and.
Speaker 15 (53:23):
Realize and accept responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Man, The responsibility that I'm willing to accept is the
fact that I gave him the gun.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
I shouldn't have asked. I shouldn't have told him to
give it back to me. Okay, Well again, and I didn't.
I didn't know what he did with it. I didn't
ask him to do other thing. And that's just well, again,
we can agree to disagree, Okay.
Speaker 15 (53:48):
I don't think there's anything productive that's going to come
from us continuing to talk about this, because you're going
to continue with your same story, which doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
I mean the thing about this, but the thing that is,
when he said that, it automatically felt like he was
just trying to.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
I felt like he was trying to disregard what I said.
I almost went insane. Facts and evidence do not align
with your story. Okay, it is reality. It is time
for a reality Just set it in and it's time
for a reality check. He's not trying to trick you.
He's not trying to persuade you into saying or doing
something that you didn't do.
Speaker 15 (54:27):
You are being charged with murder. We have had an
attorney from the State Attorney's office who has been part
of this investigation from the time we got called. That
attorney evaluates the evidence independently an objective.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
So who else it was? Me? And who else? What
do you mean you and who else me? Who are
the other suspects? We don't. We don't chase suspects. We
followed evidence is what we do. We follow facts and evidence.
Speaker 15 (54:54):
Okay, yesterday, which ultimately leads to the identification of a suspect.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
But yesterday, when you guys at me when I went
over to the scene, I wasn't doing anything but just
going out there to see what was going on.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
And I hadn't heard anything about anything that's possible that's true.
You may have convinced yourself that that. No, you can
prove that that is not true, Okay, and.
Speaker 15 (55:21):
That will you will get I'm telling you you will
have your day, sir. Okay, Let's let's talk about something different.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
H before we go to this next step. Can one
of your colleagues just give me a cigarette so I
can smoke and then I can go. I think a
cigarette cigarette. I think we have been more than accommodating for.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
You, Okay.
Speaker 18 (55:44):
I know that to you a while, You got your
you got your last one for a little while, Okay.
So I'm not trying to do You want me to
help you find Scottie.
Speaker 15 (55:56):
If if Scotty actually exists, Yes, but I think Scout
he's a fit, fictitious character.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Be quite honest with him. For whow A lot of
a lot of people out there, though, h did you
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play any sports growing up?
Speaker 7 (56:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Played basketball? Football? Organized or just kind of pick up
here and there.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Organized? Okay, it wasn't bad. Alright, now, did you did
you play Pop Warner?
Speaker 7 (56:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (56:42):
I never played Pop Warner. Uh.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
My parents wanted me to kind of stay away from it.
I played basketball when I was that age. Okay, I
didn't play football until high school. Okay, do you go
to you went to University Christian.
Speaker 12 (56:55):
I went to University Christian sixth and seventh and eighth grade,
and then when I got to high school, I went
to First Coast uh FO a year.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
Then I went to reball. The rest of the the
remaining three played football rewall, Yeah I did. I made
it to an All Star game.
Speaker 15 (57:15):
Uh play, uh, defensive back or safety back or safety
running back or something.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I played middle linebacker. Really yeah, Okay, so I was
I was decent, But.
Speaker 15 (57:24):
I mean, I'm sure you're fast, but you didn't strike
me as having the size for a middle linebacker.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
I weighed like two twenty Oh okay high school. Alright,
it's like five l. Your pulse is in good shape. Yeah,
this is it's you got a good jeans man.
Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, I know it's hurting 'em man well Hurst the family,
Yeah it does. It's like a biggest crushes the family.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Man. I mean, did you play aau basketball. Uh no,
my cousin did it. Okay, but you know it's I
don't know what to say.
Speaker 7 (58:02):
Man.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
Know, you have your whole life in front of you.
Try to stay out of trouble. You try to walk
a tight rope. Make sure you take care of your
family while you doing it, try and keep a family pedigree.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Verstually.
Speaker 15 (58:22):
Sometimes things happen, man, Sometimes things happen. It ain't supposed
to happen. Mad emotions are hard to control. Math.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
I mean, it's just a major disappointment. It's not even you, man,
just you know, you feel like you let the family down.
Speaker 3 (58:37):
The main thing out. You did let your family all
ever thinking your family is a great family. All ever wanted.
It was just just take care of the family, make
sure everybody was what good.
Speaker 11 (58:50):
You can still do that because you know what, look
at what you look at what you have put them
through because of your actions. Okay, you can start to
fix that and repair that by saying, by being honest
with yourself, being honest with your parents, mom and dad.
Mom and dad are going to love you. They're gonna
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love you, they're your parents. There is no there is
no love. There's nothing that's gonna come between you and them.
That's gonna divide that love, all right.
Speaker 15 (59:20):
Sometimes it's tough love, and sometimes we don't want to
hear it, we don't want to feel it because it's
tough love.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
But that's a parent.
Speaker 15 (59:25):
That's a parent's job, right, It's true parents job is
to tell us, hey, I didn't raise you like.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
That, and I know they didn't raise you like that.
You're a kar but oh, just this type of situation,
just having this type of.
Speaker 5 (59:43):
News within the family, everybody within the network, then everything
that everybody's works hard or absolutely it's devastating. It hurts
a lot worse than anything else because you know, you
work so long to gain a reputation and all it
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takes is just a few moments and it's gonna put
things too.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Go away to a road and.
Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
You know, I can't even I I just I don't
have a feeling right now. I've never really felt this way.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Who else? Yes, do you think you're a bad person
or do you think you made some bad decisions? I
don't think I'm a bad person. I don't either.
Speaker 19 (01:00:39):
How live, you've been very successful, but when it comes
to relationships, emotions, choices and things of that nature, I
think sometimes I strive on to finish in some regards.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Hey, you listen to it. You're not alone. As we
all struggle with that, you're not alone. And then I
miss I missed the mom, I miss my.
Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Children in this situation is a major step backwards when
it comes to the things that I'm looking that I've
been looking forward to. You know, every day you wake up,
You just know, every day you wake up just the
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only reason you try. But it's because, uh, who's coming
right coming behind you? Sure, it's the only reason you
you give it a shot, not absolutely dar reason why
you either you stay persistent.
Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
And I know, I.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Like, I know a lot w I pay a lot
of high prices. I mean a lot of sacrifices just
to just to get certain opportunities, just to.
Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
The same way your parents made sacrifices.
Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Just to even be able to sure do certain things. Man,
it's some schoo just to be able to live. And
when I say live, it's not my living. I'm I'm
breathing and drinking and stuff like that. Like live, Like
I can give my child an opportunity, I can teach
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my son a craft, I can give my daughter something
to help her that goes outside of beauty, passion and
stuff like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
That and helps with the main things that that push me.
Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
And but this situation, it's it feels like a lot
of progress when backwards and it hurts. It's it's an
unexplainable feeling where you have a vision, where you see
(01:02:59):
where things can go. Oh, and the only reason you
had a vision is because of your children. You know,
my time in the Son it's been gone. I'm an
adult now, but at that time and the son, it's
just just started.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Just starting.
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
That had.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It sucks.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
And I carried away so much even when it came
to carried away, carried away, carried away, she never even
looked that different thing, just put in my family in
a different situation. She she wasn't a home owner until
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I bought a house. And that was a proud moment
for me because I did it by myself.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Sure, I said a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
That I put my kids in my house and I
had place for her to go. And look, you just
you just take you just take the inertia.
Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
You just.
Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
Keep going and moving forward, and it turns into different things.
It transitions into different things. And and the only reason
you do that stuff is for you kids. The the
reason why you buy a house and not go get
an apartment.
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
It's sold.
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Your children have a yard to play in, so your
children can have a true ownership, privilege and safe place. Yes,
add something to color her own, something that they were
comfortable in, something that.
Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
They you know, Yeah, I asked her mom.
Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
I asked her mom to let her live with her
for a few more months while I got things together.
Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
In Connecticut once I moved, cause my mama's right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
You know, she was just wanting to try and do
something on her on you know, just have her own
place where. Realize she had it was be patient class,
something bigger than what she was looking at. I didn't
think Commission Point at a safe place for my kids
to stay. I hated it when she I I felt
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like she was tormenting me when she moved my children
out of there, because that's a place where I would
never go and get an apartment at. You know, got
a guy selling weed, selling marijuana right down the ways,
stuff like that, and.
Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
I didn't grow up like that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
So for me to see my kids in the situation,
I was totally different from my childhood. I felt like
she was short changed, and I put it on my
back again, like alright, let me do this, let me
fix this, let me make sure we get what we
need when I'm where I'm at. It's so that, you know,
(01:05:56):
cause I was, I'm always in charge of everything. I'm
always in charge to finances, I'm always in charge to
whatever we do, and I felt like we lost to
the teamwork aspect of things. The only reason you do
what you do is for your family the rest of yourself.
You know, nobody gives a damn doom the type of
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shirt you wear right, because they have thousands of different brands, materialistics.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Something can be replaced. Nobody gives a Relationships can't be right.
Speaker 15 (01:06:25):
The relationships and the value you place them, and the
examples that you set it can't be there.
Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You replaceable exactly. And you know you put those strong
things into this.
Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
It's like you put those those solid fundammals into your
children and you just pray that those things grow within them,
while at the same time teaching them not to overly
emphasize on some of the things that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Within society we look at as oh, we have to
have it. Know, the main things that we have to
have come.
Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
From a from more of a pyramid standpoint where you
talk about hierarchy of needs and where you have to.
Speaker 15 (01:07:08):
Have a solid foundation for starters, right exactly, no matter
what foundation's gotta be somelwa when we talk.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
About food coming and shelter being at the foundation, moral values,
whatever you're in stecial or puss. And then once those
things are on cruise control.
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
By that, by that time, you'll you'll stop think, you'll
have you'll be able to do some of the things
that you wanna do without even thinking about it because
the foundations will be so strong.
Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
It's like it's like when people talk about building.
Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Castles and sand or building a castle on concrete, things
like that, and you know me, I I never mind
it working hard, you know, I never mind it y
doing the extra work.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, like even with my family, probably because you knew
that if you if you exp.
Speaker 15 (01:08:05):
To achieve some type of success or a result, you
knew that you had to put into work. I can
tell that you come from a good family. Your folks
are good people. Your folks I'm telling you they are
you know. I I just met them.
Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I can tell. And you can tell.
Speaker 15 (01:08:23):
You're educated enough to know that when you meet someone
you can tell if they were genuinely a good person,
I can tell.
Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
But a lot of times you still deal with people.
I'm sure, I'm on both sides, and sure, you know,
you always have to. It's just a certain way of doing.
And you you, we we learn, we see things from
both ends. We choose well, we always stay within our square,
(01:08:52):
but we accept others from their square, and we're able
to develop things based on like minded That's what makes us.
Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
That's what despite what, despite what differences and things that
are going on in our country, that that's what still
makes us the.
Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Greatest country in the world. I agree, right, I agree.
I mean the militans, we are.
Speaker 15 (01:09:15):
Never going to agree on everything, and it's okay to disagree,
right Yeah, but uh, I just wish more people would
stopt and understand that.
Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
And accept that as the problem. That's something that I
had started kind of.
Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
I wasn't overly sharing, you know, but I had one
of the those things where.
Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I just kind of I'm a black man.
Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Most people who are my color, the only thing they
like a shoes and clothes and jewelry. I don't even
wear jewelry because in some forms it's you know, a
god took me a long time. Don't wear it all
and being conservative always wins the game. And when I
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look at my people, I look at people who look
like me. Yeah, I only see or meet people like
myself so far and in between.
Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
So I try and.
Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Make sure that I could be an example of a different.
Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Type of wholesomeness than what a person would see in
their neighborhood or their home. Most people where I come from,
or not where I come from, but most people African Americans,
they their lives were centered around the urban corps for
the most part.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
A lot, a lot of things are generational. I grew
up in Mandarin. You know what I mean, So I
can right, So.
Speaker 15 (01:10:52):
You had a a considerably different upbringing I had a
lot of You grew up at horse Marta exactly in
the bricks of their hilltop exactly.
Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
No I get I I I colpoel livershit.
Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
I think that it makes the difference when at least myself,
I can walk in my positivity or in my light
or in my darkness and make a difference from a
different level, not by just saying what I say or
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doing what I do about living it by being able
to reach people who I know when I talk to
some black people and be afraid to talk to them.
I've seen I've seen blacks not give other racist chances
just because they were fed poison in the households. And
(01:11:43):
I've had people for uh different races treat me better
than my own, you know what I mean, and you
know off talking to them. And as a African American male,
I can see the difference when I deal with people
a little bit who look like me because they they
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can see it as well.
Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
And you know how, don't back down from it. I hate,
I hate, I hate racist man.
Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
One of my best friends fend of the time, my
other best friends, uh Indian, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
So so when I would walk into the urban Corps
and I would hear, no, we're gonna do that because
they they look like us, a lot of people would
turn the back on me.
Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
A lot of people turn the back on me because
I didn't I didn't lean towards the black vote or And.
Speaker 15 (01:12:44):
Why is that you have a solid foundation, right, solar
foundation of course, values and everything else that was.
Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Instilled upon you, and you have the courage to stand
for what you believed in. Yeah, but I know that
you have to judging man by the captor, not their parents.
How said your hand percent correct? And I know that.
Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
You know, in my walks of life or my courses,
my obscle course, it's my journey. Those have been the
things that have made the difference. I had friends from
my walks of life.
Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Man, they.
Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
They lack the diversity and the perspective to see things
a lot more clear.
Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
It's a lot. I could talk for hours on it, man,
But you understand why I'm come. I do okay? You know,
how do I say all that? Having said all that that,
we just talking about why did this happen? What led
up to this? How did we get here? Man? I
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don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Maybe somebody feel like they were doing me a faith,
but it wasn't a favor. Know, when it comes to me,
A lot of times some people try to especially people
that look like me, they they o they'll.
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Overly try it. They'll overly try and appease me to
a degree in some regards. And they do it.
Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Because I'm different, you know what I mean. And I'm
not God, I'm not Jesus, I'm not Peter, Paul or Mark.
But when it comes to how I do things, I'm
just I accept that everybody I'm accepting. I don't look
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at where people come from. I look at where you are.
I don't look at how you grew up. I look
at how you talk to me. You can say all
of the wrong things to everybody else, but if you
say the right thing to me, I have no choice
but to say, alright, man, you know what I mean.
And I just see people ask themselves. I see people
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as a soul. I see people as of spirit. I
see them for who they are. I don't look at
the other things, and I think that when I deal
with people, they see that with me. I don't turn
people around, no matter where they come from, or not
better than anybody, no matter where my family comes from.
Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
But I do have a standard when it comes to
how I to how I when it comes to how
I like to deal with people.
Speaker 15 (01:15:47):
At the end of the day, like I said before,
you gotta be completely honest with yourself, and you're the
one that has to bear those actions.
Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Good. However you do that and however you deal with
that is up to you. I can't force that upon you.
Nobody can. There's nothing that anybody can do that's going
to change.
Speaker 15 (01:16:06):
What happened, what is transpired over the last twenty eight
hours or whatever it may be by now that we're
into but there aren't things that we can do from
this point forward to try to begin to repair things
as best we can.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
And the damage is done, unfortunately, and it is it
is catastrophic damage. I don't I just wanna raise my
kids that I think that's gonna be. I think you're
gonna have a significant setback.
Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
In doing so.
Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I don't wanna go to children. I wanna make sure
I watch them grow up. They're different things I wanted
step understand.
Speaker 15 (01:16:43):
I understand, but again I see that unfortunately, sometimes emotions
get in the way of our rationale or decision making.
Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
All it takes a split second. And I would love to.
Speaker 15 (01:16:56):
Share with you of my opinion on what I think happened,
But we don't operate on the chandnis because I I
have a I have a pretty good idea of what happened,
and I don't think it's even been touched on.
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I truly think everyone not that they're meant to
happen the way they did. And I truly think that.
Speaker 15 (01:17:27):
Something got heated and something happened that wasn't supposed to happen,
and then panic set in.
Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
And it's like, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, Oh
my goodness, how can I fix this?
Speaker 15 (01:17:39):
I've I have I have become accustomed to fixing things
my entire life. I'm not only a doer. I'm a
provider and I'm a fixer. But I have never been
faced with anything like this before. And that's when panic
sets in. Yeah, and that's when things get sloppy. And
(01:18:02):
then that's when we have to get more creative at
trying to figure out how we're going to explain things.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm
not trying to put thoughts in your mind. I'm just
sharing some information with you. Okay, I've been doing this
job for a little while, Alright.
Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
That does not I am not.
Speaker 15 (01:18:21):
That does not mean that I'm sitting here telling you
that I know everything because I learn things every day,
and I learn things from people that are younger than me,
people that are older than me, people that look like me,
people that don't look like me. I understood because I
place a lot of value in the people that I encounter,
and then I surround myself with I understand, and I'm
a formal leader. I'm treating people receiving me with respect
(01:18:44):
and the same way that I would want them to
treat me and treat my family.
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
That's a great statement. So before we get to this
next sequence, uh, I wanna know if what if your
comedies could just let me smoke one time so that
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I could just go through this process. M I just
figure out go through what process? I don't know how
this is calling on.
Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Alright, So I'll walk you through the process.
Speaker 15 (01:19:28):
Cause what's getting ready to happen now as the guys
are finishing some paperwork from there where you're gonna walk
you over to the gym and you're gonna be You're
gonna give it antike process where they're gonna bring or
print you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
And photograph you.
Speaker 15 (01:19:42):
And then when it comes to the photo and everything,
I would anticipate that sometime either tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon, you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Will go before a judge. I want to know if.
Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
You guys can keep the news out of the situation, nondisclosure,
they leave, they could leave my picture off of.
Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
The headlines, things of that nature.
Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
They are going to you know, obviously you watch the news,
right yes, you know how they are has names.
Speaker 7 (01:20:26):
It has not.
Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
It has not.
Speaker 15 (01:20:29):
I can tell you that for sure because I am
the one part of my responsibilities in my duties as
a supervisor with the homicide unit is that I'm the
one that has to address the media. So last night
I stood up before all of the local news cameras
and provided them with a very brief explanation of what
we knew at the time, because we knew very little
(01:20:51):
information at that time. Okay, But as the investigation progresses
and when we get to a point where an arrest
is made, there is a thing in state of Florida,
It's called the Sunshine All which requires entities like us,
a public entity, to.
Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Share information with those outlets.
Speaker 15 (01:21:08):
Okay, right, So it's not like not that we're doing
it because we want to be cruel and m and
run your name through the dirt on that.
Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
It's essentially a requirement.
Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Basically, I know the news uh sometimes UH spatializes the.
Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
High that.
Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
In my op this is merely my opinion, personal opinions.
I completely agree with that statement.
Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I mean what my thing is. When it comes down
to it, they have a job to do. They do,
But in regards to.
Speaker 15 (01:21:46):
I feel like they could be a little bit more
respectful in the manner in which they do their jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Me personally, I right, I understand they have a job
to do it, but there are certain situations where.
Speaker 15 (01:21:57):
I think if they were to just maybe for once,
put themselves or their families, if they in the role
of the story that they're reporting on.
Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I believe that they would have a different outlook and
a different perspective on things. I wish that. I don't know, man,
maybe I say wad right now. I'm sure it is.
I'm sure it is.
Speaker 15 (01:22:25):
I you have a you have a lot to take in,
and you have a lot to think about. So and
you're gonna go through a roller coaster of emotions. This
is definitely something you were not used to parents before.
Judge with this type of stuff, how to stack go.
Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I mean, it's just like any other first appearance.
Speaker 15 (01:22:45):
I mean, they're gonna review the probable calls updated and
they're going to say yes I agree or no, I
don't agree that there's probable cause for this arrest, and
then they will set a bond.
Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
But and then from there the clock stars and the
the the process stars. Yeah. So yeah, but at at
any point.
Speaker 15 (01:23:18):
You're going to, you're going to be appointed representation, and
then either you personally or your family. You always have
the option to hire counsel or someone to represent you.
But if at any point during that process you decide that, hey,
I would really like to I would really like to
(01:23:39):
share exactly what happened, cause you'll get.
Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
To that point eventually, I should just you know what
I mean, at.
Speaker 15 (01:23:45):
Some point you're gonna get there, and and right now
I can't even imagine what's rolling through your brain. I
really can't, you know, But at some point you will
get there, you know, and it'll cause I think r
I think up until maybe thirty forty five minutes ago,
I don't think reality had set in.
Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
But I think now reality is slowly starting to at
least up here.
Speaker 7 (01:24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
I should have just I should have just ramp the
public office or been a preacher. So I actually been
a preacher. But quick, you know, like I said, what's
done is done. Nobody can change it. Kay, Just But
there are dirr as bad as a seasons right now.
(01:24:26):
There are still things you can.
Speaker 15 (01:24:28):
Do to help the situation, to help good, to help
your babies, and to help both of your families.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
What does that look like?
Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
What does that look like?
Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
With this?
Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
It starts with be an office to yourself.
Speaker 15 (01:24:44):
And not doing this because that's all you've been doing
for the last fifteen or sixteen hours, deflecting, pointing things
this way, pointing.
Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
Things that way.
Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
You know why because of self preservation, Because when we
do that, we protect what right that this stuff.
Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
So at some point, what we have to do is
we have to stand before that mirror that we look
at and we have to say, so, think I I
need to.
Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Be honest with you. Just need enough says make your part.
So but uh, oh shool, what happened?
Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
So what I was saying was, at some point, I
think you're going to You're gonna get m to the
realization that.
Speaker 15 (01:25:41):
I need to be honest with myself, need to be
honest with my family, need to be honest with your family.
Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I need to be honest with my children. But uh,
I was uh the guy who uh had you uh cigarettes?
Can you give me? What? What is that gonna do
for us? Right now?
Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
It would just calm my nerves because I know once
I walk out of here, I won't be back here again.
Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
After that.
Speaker 15 (01:26:13):
Well, the only time you will come back here is
if you make a determination that you wanna be honest
with yourself and you wanna tell us exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
That's the only way you find yourself back over here.
Speaker 15 (01:26:24):
Yeah, because you're getting ready, I I mean, you're getting
ready to go into an environment that it's definitely not
something that you're.
Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Used to have. Yeah. Uh, people with these types of charges,
what what floor is that it varies because they have
just gone through a whole reclassification. They still have a
little bit of.
Speaker 15 (01:26:49):
Prov uh proven COVID protocol things over there, so they
kind of sometimes have to arbitrarily move people. I would
say predominantly they're they used to be on the fourth
and fifth MM, but they they were moving they they
m Sometimes there's little to no explanation for the housing assignments.
So and and again that is a completely different side
(01:27:11):
of the house than what we work on with. That is,
the correction side is different. Even though it all falls
within the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. MM, they have their own
kind of policies, practices and things.
Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Over there that are different than the way we run
texts on the police side. So I wish I could tell.
Speaker 15 (01:27:28):
You more or more specifically how it relates to that
in your housing assignment, what floor and who you be
with and all that, But I I I don't know, alright,
And that's one thing about me. I'm always gonna be
completely upfront honest with you. If it's something I don't know,
I'm gonna tell you I don't know. I'm not gonna
make up some silly answer and expect you to believe it.
M I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna
(01:27:49):
tell you something that you wanna hear just because I
think you wanna hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, alright. It may not always be what you wanna hear,
but it would be the truth. I promise you that, alright.
Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Huh.
Speaker 15 (01:28:01):
And that's what we expect from people when we come
in here. And it takes a while sometimes, but eventually
we get.
Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
To that point. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I can tell, man,
I can tell how happy this is waiting on you, man.
Speaker 15 (01:28:19):
And what that tells me is it tells me you're
a good person because you got a conscience, and it
bothers you because if it didn't, and if you were
truly just an evil person, it wouldn't bother you.
Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
It would not bother you one bit. You would be
sitting there, you know what you'd be doing. Matter of fact,
you'd be doing what most of them do that don't
have a conscience. They come in and go to sleep
just like that because it doesn't bother it doesn't phase them. Yeah,
but you're a good person man, you are.
Speaker 15 (01:28:49):
You just let your emotions get the best of you,
and you made something went terribly wrong. You made a
poor decision followed by a couple other poor decisions, and ultimately.
Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
That's what's led you to being here. No, the colleague
of yeah, tryna walk me out or a smoke break
before they send me to process.
Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 15 (01:29:11):
I think our smoke breaks are over, kay. And again
I'm not saying that because we're trying to be ugly
or anything like that. But no, But I mean, based
on your kind of demeanor and your behavior, we gotta
be very limited on you know, where we take you
and what we what happens, right because ultimately, your safety
(01:29:36):
is our responsibility. So I don't want to take you
somewhere that kind of goes beyond the scope before we
have to go minimally and minimally, all we have to
do is walk over to the jail, right, But if
we go elsewhere and you kind of make a poor
decision and you do something that results in something that
compromises your safety, our safety, whatever else, then it puts
(01:30:00):
us all in a kind of a bad situation understuff.
So so I hope you understand that, and you all
ready okay. I wish you the best, man, I mean,
but I think a A I think you're slowly. I
think you're slowly getting there. And if before you leave,
you decide you need to get something off your chest
(01:30:21):
and you want to tell us exactly what happened, I'll
be more happy to listen to.
Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Alright, there's nothing that I can say that would get
me all that's correct, there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 15 (01:30:32):
But but what I told you is there are things
you can do and say that are going to be
into a show that you are finally accepting taking some
ownership for your actions and being responsible and taking and
being accountable. I guess more, and then begin to repair
(01:30:52):
things for your family, because what I was telling you
about the biggest I think for me from an outsider
looking in, knowing what a good family you have and
that you come from.
Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Is that that just the disappointment alone in your mom
and your dad and Micah and your sister.
Speaker 15 (01:31:13):
They are they truly truly care about you, they really do,
and they have your best interest in mine, but they
are disappointed that not only have you put yourself in
that position, but you have put them in that position
because of your actions. Your actions led to what eight
or ten police officers coming to their house today for
hours out of time.
Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Their neighbors are out there going, what in the world
is going all the time? What's going on? I understand?
Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Can we moves into the right one? Yeah? Yeah, that's important.
So only you can fix that, man.
Speaker 15 (01:31:48):
I can't fix it, all right, And that's gonna take
you first, being honest with yourself, being honest with your family,
being honest with your Children's right.
Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You're right there, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
You will.
Speaker 15 (01:32:01):
You want to do it, and you know what, you'll
feel so much better because right now I'm sure it
feels like you got thousands of pounds.
Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
On your shoulders.
Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
That right.
Speaker 15 (01:32:12):
Where you go from don't know, don't just don't don't go,
don't worry again, and you will once you get that
stuff off your chest. You're gonna you're gonna feel like
you're instead of you sitting.
Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Like this, You're gonna be like I have. At least
I have to wait off for me. Right, it's behind me.
I don't have to I don't have to wonder what's
coming next, who's coming to talk to me next? I
don't have to continue to bear this this pain. Right,
(01:32:47):
I haven't seen number finished before. We gotta do it'll
get jumping away. Okay, It's just a couple of minutes now,
I'll realize it, right, all right? You know water or anything?
Uh wanted a cigarette, but I can't give you that? Right?
A sad? Uh?
Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
Good?
Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Right now?
Speaker 7 (01:33:07):
I uh oh mum, it's been a warm day in
(01:33:30):
High spl.
Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
So it's shot. Is homemaking hot in there? Uh that's
a little warm. Oh that it's kind of cool as well.
Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
It's not like that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I've been manage that. You can I get a lot?
Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
You say, yeah, that's actually when my job is based.
I was in Jacksonville getting some uh stuff straightened out
with my doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
What party could I get?
Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
A new avin? You like an alt? Yeah, it's not bad.
It's like an hour away from New York. It's cold
in the winter, right, Yeah, it snows a lot. Yeah,
get bad at I enjoy it. It's nothing like home, though,
m you know here at home just has some culture,
(01:35:07):
you know what I mean. Jacksonville is so big to
the point where you know, you go to different sides
of town.
Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
It's like cities within a city.
Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Oh you right, like Orange Park, Middleburg, the north side, Jacksonville,
south side, beaches, Fern and Diana for American people like
Jacksonville had so many cities within the city.
Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Yeah, it's no other place like it. What's your h
what's your mom? But what's she different living?
Speaker 15 (01:35:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
She used to be in management as well.
Speaker 7 (01:35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
What about your stepdad? You feel like a military guy.
Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Yeah he's in the military really yeah, but he dealt
with uh construction, a construction Enginet. I did the same,
but I was like superintendent.
Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Might good lundy in.
Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Then yeah, I left it alone. Man, once I got
a job in uh Connecticut school. That type of stuff
is across across you cross transferable. Yeah, for the most part,
just different. John John, where are you originally from?
Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Military? Kid?
Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Up?
Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Hob been everywhere nice but moved here and ninety nine
s do some work and then have this job. Have
you been here too long now to leave? Guy's job
seems pretty last I'd rather be in. I don't want
(01:37:00):
to know. There's spend a lot of time in North
Carolina like there. Yeah, your job doesn't seem too bad.
Job doesn't seem too bad. Job. Yeah, your job doesn't
seem too bad.
Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
I can be.
Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
The different personalities and people like myself. Yeah, it's uh,
you know, whether it be.
Speaker 20 (01:37:28):
A traffic ticket or some little an argument, they don't
nobody's ever happy with you because people just wanna do
what they wanna do.
Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
Normally how it is.
Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
It's normally how it is. Yeah, I don't as long
as about putting.
Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
Me on one of those floors, I don't know. I
don't wanna be somewhere with it's too brownly. I I'd
want somewhere to whacking stay with myself mong tuh.
Speaker 20 (01:38:18):
Yeah, let's see, I've lived here in North Carolina, Nebraska,
Washington state.
Speaker 21 (01:38:26):
You was born in Maine, lived in Alaska. I think
that's the whole place I've lived.
Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Like play what places I've lived for Jacksonville, Uh, Orangeburg,
South Carolina, and Connecticut. It was what most of the
major moves, and I mean, yeah, yeah, Orangeburg was pretty slow.
Speaker 7 (01:38:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
I went to school, that's oh that was so bad.
Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Everybody was doing the same things, so we always had
you know, group elements and things like that.
Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
It's pretty smaller everything it is, uh you know.
Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
But it's like right outside of Columbia. M So Columbia
really is a bad m about that far from Charlotte then, right, No,
Charlotte was like, uh two and a half hours away.
Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
My my oldest son, he stays in Charlotte. He's five. Yeah, uh.
Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
Good, that's right about shit hart with you, cause now
I feel like somebody else. I thanks got somebody else.
Speaker 7 (01:40:03):
Raison.
Speaker 17 (01:40:05):
Don't quite a lot of anything the Dagon fan or
did you switch over to the Patriots little up there.
Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
I don't really watch a whole lot of sportsman, h
I'm always a Jags fan along with the Stealers.
Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
I don't watch much sports eater anymore.
Speaker 22 (01:40:33):
Actually, once I had kids, I feel like I'll ever
watched it was a Disney yell, but none that all
grown up so exactly, I can watch whatever, and I
sometimes to stow watch the Disney yell.
Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, you know, we have to watch what floats they're about. Yeah,
for they like, you know, what's just one of those things.
Think a lot of my new interests kind of follow out.
Its like watch a lot of history child uh, trying
to get my kids into it.
Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
Yeah, this stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
If I choose to watch TV. You know, it's almost
like the TV is always in front of us. With
how my cell phones are made now yep, they pressing
it out and and there it is.
Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
You all know it's ESPN and the whole Now you
don't even have to watch TV. It's true, cause I
find myself in here a lot of times. I'd just
get tired of doing something. Next year, nice, try to
do what?
Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Last time I saw these something like this, I had
gotten a dy and now I was in I spent
the night in jail.
Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I feel like that was just the first experience
in my whole time life. Yeah, I'm just looking at
it now. It's like, Yeah.
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