October 27, 2025 • 43 mins
True Crime Unfolds - The Arrest of a 24-Year-Old Facebook Mom
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for, enjoy, Probably go home.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You're probably gonna be charged with murder. You understand that.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That's the gravity of the situation right here that we're
sitting in. You're looking at a fucking murder charge.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
H kah.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Characterize your relationship.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
We have a good relationships, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Are you love?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, no, not for real.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
We argue a lot, but we don't fight, and then
no no, and then the arguments are they're just little arguments.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of cut us off.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Here just for a second, and I would just want
you to understand something, Okay, Just so just so we're
all on the same page. Okay, when we start out
and we start talking about the things at the very beginning,
we're giving you an opportunity to be one hundred and
ten percent honest with us, okay, because this is going
(01:11):
to be your opportunity to do that, regardless as to
what happened or whatever it is. This is your opportunity
to tell your side of the story, whatever it was. Okay,
Just so you're aware of it, and that spot where
that is right there. There's a camera okay that shoots
(01:34):
right at that intersection, and it's in the manager's office
right there, and it shoots right for that intersection. Okay,
So we're going to be able to get the footage
from that camera and see everything that's on that camera.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay. So this is if there's something, if there's something.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Else that you need to talk about and you need
you need to tell us, you know, now is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The time to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Because after that, when I look at that footage, if
there's something on that footage that you're not telling me,
then there's going to be a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So that's why I'm giving you the opportunity now to
say what you need to say.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, you're twenty four years old, Okay, you're an adult,
and you know how you know how things work.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, you've been around for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So that's why that's why we're you're saying that there
wasn't anything, no arguments or anything from y'all today, okay,
because I have I have a different story from people
that live around you, okay, Because there are people that
live on both sides of.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You, and they say that you all you all fight
and fight a lot and you argue and yell at
each other. Yes, we do argue with you and I
also I also.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Have information that you were yelling show that today and
you just tell me just a little bit ago, you
told me that you didn't have any arguments today. So
here's here's one story.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We didn't have any arguments today.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Well that's how we talk loud.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I talk loud and yo, okay, but we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Any arguments, okay, So there was no no arguments.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
Maybe yelling that they heard, but there wasn't no physical argument.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Or not that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So physical argument? By physical argument, you mean sometimes he
puts his hands.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
On you or I either.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, So you guys have physical altercations like that sometimes, No, you.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Do not know only we only have that like once.
We don't have alterations that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You don't have anything yelling really loud.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And cussing and doing all that.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
What is that ever?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, unnecessary to assumming and all that he's.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Running around he thinks he thinks that you're running around?
Did he please? Hands aren't today? Nothing like that at all?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And whatever happened today as far as arguments for whatever
that was, just we were.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Just yelling at each other's day. It wasn't it wasn't
enough and serious series.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay, So you were yelling at each other just before
he left to go to the circle, came?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
No, not before.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Weren't yelling at each other?
Speaker 7 (04:15):
No, not just before all this happened. No, No, we
were fine. I wasn't even at home. I had just
got home. Okay, So yeah, there was before all this.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Okay, So you did not stab no, Okay, we just
want to get that out there to start with, sweetheart,
because we don't we weren't there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We don't know what we have to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We have to stab him, and we're looking for that person.
We're trying to find out if there was any kind
of conflict between you and him where he thinks that you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Cheating on him.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
He was getting violent with you. He was putting his
hands on you, and you had to defend yourself. And
that's what we're asking about our situation.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
This is to see you sell.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do does he sell dope?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Does he work?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Where does he work?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
What does he do for them?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What does he do for them? A Facebook page?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay? Were you were you on your Facebook tonight? Yeah? Okay,
what did you did you make any posts.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Earlier?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay? Well, we win.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Earlier early when I was at my mom's house.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, see him make any posts later in the evening?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
See didn't make a post at like eleven eleven nineteen?
I remember, not that you remember, okay, okay, because there
were there were some things that were posted and then
they were deleted afterwards, okay, And that would be something
that you would have to do. And we have those posts.
(06:12):
I have those posts.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So did you make any posts around eleven o'clock tonight?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I do, okay, and we'll post for those.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Never let a man put his hands on you. No,
Never let a boid put his hands on you.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And the reason that you deleted those posts, why did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You delete him?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Because I didn't want anybody to think that he put
his hands on me.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Why would you make not post the storm.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Because a lot of people go through a lot of
stuff domestic.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Violence, and which is to which is totally understanding.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And here's the here's the thing. Okay, Look, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
If there was a problem, like we were talking at
the very beginning of this, where we stopped in the
middle of it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
If there was a problem, now is the time to
talk about it. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
If there was If there was some kind of an
issue and you guys, you know, have a problem and
he put his hands on you and you were defending yourself,
now is the time to say that, okay, not later.
That's that's why we're giving you the opportunity because you've
already you've already been kind of deceptive with me a
little bit, right because I asked you about those posts
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and you said you didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, okay, So here's the here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
If something happened and he put his hands on you
and you had to defend yourself and he got hurt,
you know, that is an understandable thing. That's an understandable thing.
What will not be understandable is when somebody comes back
later on, if it's proven that something happened and it's
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shown during this interview that you did not want to
tell the truth, that you tried to hide what happened,
that's not going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well for you.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's why that's why we're giving you the opportunity to money.
Is at no time during the time that we've been
sitting here talking if you ever said to me, nor
did you say to anybody so far that hey, look
you know who did this and didn't asked me?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That there's nobody that I would know who did it.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And apparently alat Well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The problem is you're saying that he's not out there
in the streets. There would be no Is there any
other female that he's messing up?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh? Does he owe anybody any money?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Now that I don't know. I don't know about any
money situations.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Or what happened how many other two years and I
don't know something. There's three reasons with his money, money,
drugs and women.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Three reasons for Mr Brother money, drugs and women.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So he said that he doesn't sell the he's not
out there in the streets.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Not that I know of.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I don't know everything. He's not really home all the time.
He's always gone, so I don't know what he's doing out.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There, But I mean, you would have an idea, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
The thing that's kind of puzzling as well is that
there was money. You know, there was money there, and
there were there were other items that were that were
found there that would also not leave me to believe
that anybody had tried to rob him. He didn't take
the car. No, he didn't take the keys. Nope, he's
got a pocket full of money. Uh, because we was
still on me.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Okay, it's like as we.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Which would lead me to believe that what this was somebody,
if somebody had gotten in some sort of an altercation
with him, they were upset. They had to either defend
defend themselves. Okay, I either had to defend themselves or
something along those lines. And then they took off running.
Spoke to several of the people there, lots of the
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people that are all up and down there. Okay, there's
a lot of people there. Okay. Was it an accident?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Was what an accident?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And you getn't killed?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I don't know if it was an accident or not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Why do you think somebody would do that? Why do
you think somebody would do it?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I have no clue why anyone would do it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, did you guys get physical today at all?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, he pushed me, that was it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So he did push you a little.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Bit, that was it.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
We didn't really get physical. You can get hurt, you
no fall. No, it was just like you know, push.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Was it just before he went to circle K?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
No, this was earlier today, earlier, This was earlier this
morning before.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Before what? Okay? Was it his uncle just died? Which
how old was he?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Older guy or his uncle?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He said his uncle just died. How old was he? Oh,
I don't know, okay, but he died of natural natural causes.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So he came back from the funeral. What time did
he come back from the funeral? M? M. Maybe one
one o'clock in the afternoon, okay. So he was home
from one until he left to go circle K M.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he was home at one o'clock and then you
left at five thirty to go to your mom's. You
stayed at your moms until about eight thirty, and then
you came back right and then you were at the
house for about another two hours or so until he
came in and he just said, Hey, I'm gonna go
get something to drink.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, he was already, he was, he was, he was
already in the house.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He was in the house.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We were already in the house. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
He said he was just gonna go get something to drink. Okay,
so he went and got something to drink at around
probably around ten o'clock or so, I guess right. And
he didn't stick on that one.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And you were talking to him on the phone. Okay,
why did you make that post right at eleven? Here's
the thing, because it's I'll tell you why. Like I said,
it was confusing to me, it still is because you know,
you put yourself in a situation where you know, I'm
asking you questions about stuff, pretty simple questions, and you
(13:06):
kind of just outright lie about it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know, because you are afraid that you're.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Gonna it's gonna look like you did this. Why would
you think that it would look like you did this?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Justifying because there's nobody else, I'm the only person.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, the reason I'm asking that is because you deleting
those Facebook posts.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know, it kind of shows me that you're that
you're really worried that I'm going to find out something.
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That's the thing that that's the thing that concerns me.
I got kids, your age, you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Know, and I know that I know that I've been
around to.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Know that things happen for whatever reasons, and I know
that sometimes, you know, sometimes we get to we get
to a point with other people, especially if you're in
a relationship. I've been in a buncha too. I'm an
old guy, so I know when you get in a
relationship with somebody over a period of time, you know,
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gets to the point where.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You know, things get rough. Okay, I just want to
clarify something. Okay, So all right, tell me again real quick.
You said.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You were outside smoking cigarette, correct, okay. And then when
you were outside smoking cigarette, you heard him? What did
you hear him say?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Okay? And then what then?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
What you do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You walk down there?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you went running down down, down there towards where
the car was, right, Okay, can you look at me
just for a minute. H That's not true. Okay, that's
not true. I just looked at the videotape. Okay, I
know you're at the car. So now we're in a
different situation, you and I. Okay, you're in a situation
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where you're where you're you're at the scene of a murder.
Now you can you can you can do one of
two things. You can come clean and you can tell
me what the deal is, and we can talk about
why this happened, okay, or I can just go based
on what i've what I've got my own assumptions and
what's on the videotape. Because you never went running down
the street. You were there, So why don't you tell
(15:35):
me what happened so we can get this ironed out,
so I can understand why it is that this happened
to this young man and why you know, if it
had to do, if it had to do, if you
were scared of him or whatever it was, that now
is the time, that now is the time to say,
I mean, I get it, Okay, I totally get it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I understand it, your little girl. He was a big
old guy. Okay, I get it. But help me understand it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Can you tell me? Can you tell me.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What it was that that clused this? Was it because
of the he was thinking that you were cheating? Is
that what it was? And he tried he tried to
hurt you? Did he try and hurt you? Did he
(16:31):
try and hurt you? I mean, tell me if you
try and hurts if he tried to hurt you, tell me,
you know, let me, let me let me try and
figure this out for you. Is that what it was?
Did he get mad because he thought you were cheating
on him? And now you're probably gonna be charged with murder.
You understand that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's the gravity of the situation right here that we're
sitting in You're looking at a fucking murder charge.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And that's why we're helped work.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That's why we're seeing here with you, trying to get
you to get to a point where you explain it
to us.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Because I'm sitting in here with a grown ass woman
that's in here playing games with us at three o'clock
in the morning.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
We've asked you over and over what time, what time
it is? You have no clue you're playing games with us?
Will then help us understand what the deal was?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We got it on video. It is on video.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean you getting out in the car and running
back to your house, not the other way around.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You running down there right after the fact, after the fact.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But the video shows y'all pulling up in the car,
you getting out in the car and running back to
the house.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Congratulations, I get it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Can you help me understand? The only thing that I
can tell you is that I've got to hear it
from you. I can't do anything about that right now. Okay,
if I could let you walk out of here right now,
I would. But what I gotta do is I gotta
know what the story is before anything else happens.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Tell me what happened. Tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I got kids your age, I got a daughter your age.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And you don't think if I had a daughter your
age and I had somebody that was maybe abusing her,
you don't think I'd be upset about that. Of course
I would. Of course I would. And you don't think
if I have somebody was grabbing on me or hurting
me or trying to hurt me or my kids, you
don't think I would try and do something to stop that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I would. I absolutely would.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And I get it, Honey, I get it. Things happen
sometimes things happen.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Me understand, Okay, I understand.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, can you tell me what it was that caused it?
At least get me that far and just tell me
what it was that caused it. You know the other
part of this, too, is that this is the opportunity
that you're going to have to tell your.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Sign of the story. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It's not going to be one of those things where
you're going to have that opportunity you can. You know,
everybody's going to look at you like there's something wrong
that you did this and it was the wrong thing. Well,
I need to know why it was. I need to
know why it was. I need to know what the
reason was. Did you just get mad? Was he trying
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to hurt you?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And what was he doing? Was he grabbing on you?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Was he put did he try and choke you?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Hyeah?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Let it go and know what I want to I
want to go.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I understand, I understand. And you just you shook your
head when you said he was trying to hurt you?
Was he Was he trying to choke you?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Did he try and hte you? You said you weren't angry, right,
you weren't angry? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Did he try and hurt you? Is that what he did?
Did he did he did he try and was it?
Was it choke or did he try and slap you?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I understand that, you you do?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Can you tell me? Can you tell me what it
was that happened? Just give you just just give me
just the basics of what happened. Did he did he
try and grab you? Did he accuse you of some
I saw there was another car that pulled up. Were
you in that other car? Okay, so you were in
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You were in your car? And then what happened?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did he did he? Did he get mad because he
said he thought he would.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Cheating on him? Did he start yelling at you? I mean,
is that what it was? Did he start screaming at you?
And it scared you? I understand being scared. I understand
being scared. If you were scared, say you're scared.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't want to remember a better.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I know, I know, I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
In order for me to get from this place to
where to where it is that I understand thinks you
have to.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Did you not?
Speaker 10 (22:17):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You are?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
My good person?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Bad things happen to good people all the time. You
didn't mean to do it. Of course, it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was an accident.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I understand. Will you tell me, Will you tell me?
Will you explain it to me? So I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You said you didn't mean to do it, right, and
you weren't angry you basically? What well that that he
tried to choke you?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, what's everything? What's everything? Was he trying to hurt you?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes? You're shaking your head. What was he doing to try?
And he did? He try and punch you? He did? Okay,
I understand.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Please go.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Can we finish talking? Please?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
If you I can go.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can't promise you anything. Can you just change.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You couldn't?
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Please please don't do this to me. Please don't do
this to me. Got a worship you. Please don't do
this to me. Please don't do this. I'm not gonna
take it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I'm not good. Maybe, Please please don't. I need you
in my quarter? Right kind of need you? I need
you anything?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You have four children?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Right? I need you? Please?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You have four children?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay? Please? Oh, you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Want to be able to you want to have been
able to tell your side of the story, because otherwise,
listen to you. Look at me, just for a second.
Look All they all they'll do is they look at
it from the standpoint of you having done something that
you know, what's tell why it was just done? You
(25:11):
said it wasn't on purpose? Right, Okay, So it was
an accident, a.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Big mistake, A big mistake. Okay, it was a big mistake.
I promised it was.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay. Did you try and hurt you? Okay? And what
happened when he tried to hurt me? He defended yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes, he was tonight, he was, and so what happened
when he tried to we were you were struggling and
then and.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Then what we need is just we were struggling when you.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Were struggling over the knife. Okay, that makes total sense.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
It's okay, it's not okay, it's not okay, but you no, no, no, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
What happened to the knife?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Do you know you just told me that what you
did was defenders.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I was still couldn't go down that I'm still gonna
go to jail. But now you don't understand that I
can go to jail. That's I'm not the type of person.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
What you told me was that you defended yourself. I'm
not the type of I get that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I won't make it. I get I will Okay, like myself.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I understand. I understand.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What you told me is that you defended yourself. You
said you were struggling, right, and you said that he
got stabbed while you were struggling. Isn't that what you
told me?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Okay, get up with him?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Why were you breaking up with me? Because he hate you.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, a lot h at that at the house.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
M hm ok mm hmm. Okay, life is over.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That is not true. I promise you that's not don't.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't want to live his life anymore. I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I don't want to be here.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't want to be here. My life is over.
My mind is my mind is so messed up.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know what you want. You want terrible thing.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I don't want to go through what I know that
I'm about to go through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right now, all you're doing right now, are you're doing
is you're coming clean. Okay, that's all you do. You're
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
On the videotape, I saw you running back or the
house because you wanted to check on your kids.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right. What happened to the knife? Is it at the house?
Is it at the house? And which knife is it?
Is it the one with the broken handle? Which knife
wasn't it's a smaller one, Okay? Did you clean it off?
(28:38):
Did you clean it off?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So it was it's in the sink.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, it's the smaller one that's in the sink.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, And then what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You guys just drove down there and turned around because
he got mad.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay. And then one.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
When you guys were struggling with the knife, were you
inside the car outside the car?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
M hmm. God, I'm so sorry. God, I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I'm so sorry. God.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
Please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please
forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Mhm hi, choet, what's what's going on? Mm hm p
give me, please give me. I want to go. Forgive
(30:15):
you for what you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Did he do something to you?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Huh yeah? Mhm m hmm. Hello, Oh said for what?
Do you say me to jail for what? For what? Here?
(30:44):
Rejected myself.
Speaker 13 (30:45):
How they gonna take a job in protectular? I don't
want them to he did something to you? Are they
did he do something to you? I was just redegnant myself.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well that's what you need to tell. What's happened? A damn?
I don't know anything, So you ain't never call me
down the crying exactly where is there? And get you
off the phone? Who is there? Who is there? Hello? Jail?
(31:36):
Say I can't do that. I can't go to jail.
I can't say I need you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You need to tell them what happened.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
That's what you need to do, you know me. Okay,
how hard it is you tell them?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, but I just told him I'm right. Look look him,
Look if he was he know, you go the victim.
You know me, she'll get it together. System.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You hear me?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Do you hear me? You hear me? I can't go
home my life. Liked what you mean? You wasn't suppers
happened like that? What you mean? What was he did
something to you? Why? What? What? I told him?
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Everything that happened, I already told him, But I didn't
tell them what happened the first until.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
They looked at that video. They just got the car
park the video and saw that I was.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
In no.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
D because I was right there. I told them that
I wasn't at the scene.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Mm hmmm mm hm mhm.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
M.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's kind of long, that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
H m hm h m m m.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, h.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Don't you know that picture that I should have said?
That wasn't it right? Okay? Where did did you get
it out of the kitchen? Is that where you got
it from? When you took it with you? What was
it in the car? Did you put it in the
car with you?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
When did you take it? Take it and put it
in the car with you?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Because he had on.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
He had one?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Okay, so you you took it downstairs with you and
you got in the car with it when you went
to drive.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, all right, second.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Mom juation, quie. Come on then, come on, come on?
What what is it? Huh? Nobody thin? Nothing to me?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
He gave.
Speaker 14 (35:03):
He ain't say nothing, he said, he asked you what happened?
What was you defeeling yourself? And when they they said
you running from the car when they first and well
(35:25):
you not telling them? They need a play by play?
What happens a play by play?
Speaker 15 (35:34):
I told him he wasn't even it don't.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Matter even tell him again. He didn't. He didn't ask
me again.
Speaker 16 (35:48):
He walked out, and I told the other car and
what kind of life he had? He had the big
one and I had the litter one.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
So well, what would it end up being? It? People?
The charge of murder? You what, that's not play by
fucking place. There's no where happen. It's not fee though.
That is not fair. No it ain't.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
Found tell them what happened played by play.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's not making sense to do? Is do it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
What the fuck? I don't know what to do? Why?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Why why do you george me with straight murder.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Murder? It's murdered. They didn't Georgia e do george of
me with murder murder? It wasn't even supposed to go
like that. It don't need to tell they don't play
by play, wasn't it? Do you hear me?
Speaker 17 (37:27):
I hear you? I okay, stop crying now for real.
It ain't just about you. It's about me. It's about you,
It's about mama, it's about going, it's about it's about
c J.
Speaker 18 (37:47):
Money and say, it's not about just you.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Say it's not just you, requre you. This is not
a game. Mh You just hurt tell them what happened?
You defending yourself. Then you have a story behind that.
(38:29):
You did not get him a story. That's what they
said about what happened. I don't know what happened. I
wasn't up.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I answered those questions.
Speaker 14 (38:43):
It ain't about answering questions, about telling them what people happened.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I did.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
He was asking questions and I was telling they want
to know what happened as okay, but what did he.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Do to you?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I told him that it wasn't supposed to happen like that.
He asked me. What did he asking me? Did he
hit me?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Did he joke me?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yes, he did all of.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
That, but any more to it than just he hit me.
He choked me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He did.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You had ways to show what happened.
Speaker 15 (39:20):
He did all of that, because breaking don't do.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You just need to tell them all of that.
Speaker 14 (39:28):
You need to go through the emotions of what happened,
how it happened, all of that, not.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Just he hit me, he choked me. It's little details
into it.
Speaker 14 (39:39):
Than that that it It didn't that this shit is
crazy and I it didn't go like that.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
You didn't tell them that this is unbelievable. Man. Mm hmmmmmmm.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
We were in the right.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Huge oh cheating the hill, so we got.
Speaker 15 (40:18):
Mad and wouldn't got to say so I grant went
through and then we were just.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
In there and we were resting in the house.
Speaker 15 (40:27):
This when we were in the house, and then after
you get me because of that, that's when I broke up.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And then he started choking me.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
So where the kids was.
Speaker 15 (40:48):
So after that when I got a loose where I
went to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And just stayed in there and cried and cried.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I was getting ready to take him home to my house.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Anyone gave me the keys?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well you took the car? No head the king.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And the car?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
O would get ready? If you questioned me? Can I
swear off the road?
Speaker 15 (41:30):
He was in the apartment, you know that came out
and right there, like turn to go to the store.
Speaker 18 (41:38):
Were right there?
Speaker 7 (41:40):
He out the car.
Speaker 16 (41:44):
Then he came round and then he started pure resident
(42:14):
you mm hmmm, you would.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I'm trying to OPI. I'm trying to that's everything.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
What do I do that?
Speaker 17 (42:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I never been. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't know when am I getting there? Each other
to hurt me? Where is the hurt me? When they
trying to kill me in there? I don't know what
joys bad? I don't know. They making me seem like
(43:15):
I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I know.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
O can't. I can't.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
No hurt and myself.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I can't go in there. I'm giving myself.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I can you got to fight? I got yes, you can't.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now you've listened. Now go to your thing.
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
You're probably gonna be charged with murder. You understand that.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That's the gravity of the situation right here that we're
sitting in. You're looking at a fucking murder charge.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
H kah.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Characterize your relationship.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
We have a good relationships, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Are you love?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, no, not for real.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
We argue a lot, but we don't fight, and then
no no, and then the arguments are they're just little arguments.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of cut us off.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Here just for a second, and I would just want
you to understand something, Okay, Just so just so we're
all on the same page. Okay, when we start out
and we start talking about the things at the very beginning,
we're giving you an opportunity to be one hundred and
ten percent honest with us, okay, because this is going
(01:11):
to be your opportunity to do that, regardless as to
what happened or whatever it is. This is your opportunity
to tell your side of the story, whatever it was. Okay,
Just so you're aware of it, and that spot where
that is right there. There's a camera okay that shoots
(01:34):
right at that intersection, and it's in the manager's office
right there, and it shoots right for that intersection. Okay,
So we're going to be able to get the footage
from that camera and see everything that's on that camera.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay. So this is if there's something, if there's something.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Else that you need to talk about and you need
you need to tell us, you know, now is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The time to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Because after that, when I look at that footage, if
there's something on that footage that you're not telling me,
then there's going to be a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So that's why I'm giving you the opportunity now to
say what you need to say.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, you're twenty four years old, Okay, you're an adult,
and you know how you know how things work.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, you've been around for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So that's why that's why we're you're saying that there
wasn't anything, no arguments or anything from y'all today, okay,
because I have I have a different story from people
that live around you, okay, Because there are people that
live on both sides of.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You, and they say that you all you all fight
and fight a lot and you argue and yell at
each other. Yes, we do argue with you and I
also I also.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Have information that you were yelling show that today and
you just tell me just a little bit ago, you
told me that you didn't have any arguments today. So
here's here's one story.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We didn't have any arguments today.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Well that's how we talk loud.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I talk loud and yo, okay, but we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Any arguments, okay, So there was no no arguments.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
Maybe yelling that they heard, but there wasn't no physical argument.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Or not that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So physical argument? By physical argument, you mean sometimes he
puts his hands.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
On you or I either.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, So you guys have physical altercations like that sometimes, No, you.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Do not know only we only have that like once.
We don't have alterations that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You don't have anything yelling really loud.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And cussing and doing all that.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
What is that ever?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, unnecessary to assumming and all that he's.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Running around he thinks he thinks that you're running around?
Did he please? Hands aren't today? Nothing like that at all?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And whatever happened today as far as arguments for whatever
that was, just we were.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Just yelling at each other's day. It wasn't it wasn't
enough and serious series.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay, So you were yelling at each other just before
he left to go to the circle, came?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
No, not before.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Weren't yelling at each other?
Speaker 7 (04:15):
No, not just before all this happened. No, No, we
were fine. I wasn't even at home. I had just
got home. Okay, So yeah, there was before all this.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Okay, So you did not stab no, Okay, we just
want to get that out there to start with, sweetheart,
because we don't we weren't there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We don't know what we have to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We have to stab him, and we're looking for that person.
We're trying to find out if there was any kind
of conflict between you and him where he thinks that you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Cheating on him.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
He was getting violent with you. He was putting his
hands on you, and you had to defend yourself. And
that's what we're asking about our situation.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
This is to see you sell.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do does he sell dope?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Does he work?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Where does he work?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
What does he do for them?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What does he do for them? A Facebook page?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay? Were you were you on your Facebook tonight? Yeah? Okay,
what did you did you make any posts.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Earlier?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay? Well, we win.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Earlier early when I was at my mom's house.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, see him make any posts later in the evening?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
See didn't make a post at like eleven eleven nineteen?
I remember, not that you remember, okay, okay, because there
were there were some things that were posted and then
they were deleted afterwards, okay, And that would be something
that you would have to do. And we have those posts.
(06:12):
I have those posts.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So did you make any posts around eleven o'clock tonight?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I do, okay, and we'll post for those.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Never let a man put his hands on you. No,
Never let a boid put his hands on you.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And the reason that you deleted those posts, why did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You delete him?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Because I didn't want anybody to think that he put
his hands on me.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Why would you make not post the storm.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Because a lot of people go through a lot of
stuff domestic.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Violence, and which is to which is totally understanding.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And here's the here's the thing. Okay, Look, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
If there was a problem, like we were talking at
the very beginning of this, where we stopped in the
middle of it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
If there was a problem, now is the time to
talk about it. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
If there was If there was some kind of an
issue and you guys, you know, have a problem and
he put his hands on you and you were defending yourself,
now is the time to say that, okay, not later.
That's that's why we're giving you the opportunity because you've
already you've already been kind of deceptive with me a
little bit, right because I asked you about those posts
(07:28):
and you said you didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, okay, So here's the here's your opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
If something happened and he put his hands on you
and you had to defend yourself and he got hurt,
you know, that is an understandable thing. That's an understandable thing.
What will not be understandable is when somebody comes back
later on, if it's proven that something happened and it's
(07:56):
shown during this interview that you did not want to
tell the truth, that you tried to hide what happened,
that's not going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well for you.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's why that's why we're giving you the opportunity to money.
Is at no time during the time that we've been
sitting here talking if you ever said to me, nor
did you say to anybody so far that hey, look
you know who did this and didn't asked me?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That there's nobody that I would know who did it.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And apparently alat Well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The problem is you're saying that he's not out there
in the streets. There would be no Is there any
other female that he's messing up?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh? Does he owe anybody any money?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Now that I don't know. I don't know about any
money situations.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Or what happened how many other two years and I
don't know something. There's three reasons with his money, money,
drugs and women.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Three reasons for Mr Brother money, drugs and women.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So he said that he doesn't sell the he's not
out there in the streets.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Not that I know of.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
I don't know everything. He's not really home all the time.
He's always gone, so I don't know what he's doing out.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There, But I mean, you would have an idea, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
The thing that's kind of puzzling as well is that
there was money. You know, there was money there, and
there were there were other items that were that were
found there that would also not leave me to believe
that anybody had tried to rob him. He didn't take
the car. No, he didn't take the keys. Nope, he's
got a pocket full of money. Uh, because we was
still on me.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Okay, it's like as we.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Which would lead me to believe that what this was somebody,
if somebody had gotten in some sort of an altercation
with him, they were upset. They had to either defend
defend themselves. Okay, I either had to defend themselves or
something along those lines. And then they took off running.
Spoke to several of the people there, lots of the
(10:29):
people that are all up and down there. Okay, there's
a lot of people there. Okay. Was it an accident?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Was what an accident?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And you getn't killed?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I don't know if it was an accident or not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Why do you think somebody would do that? Why do
you think somebody would do it?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I have no clue why anyone would do it.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, did you guys get physical today at all?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, he pushed me, that was it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So he did push you a little.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Bit, that was it.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
We didn't really get physical. You can get hurt, you
no fall. No, it was just like you know, push.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Was it just before he went to circle K?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
No, this was earlier today, earlier, This was earlier this
morning before.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Before what? Okay? Was it his uncle just died? Which
how old was he?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Older guy or his uncle?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He said his uncle just died. How old was he? Oh,
I don't know, okay, but he died of natural natural causes.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So he came back from the funeral. What time did
he come back from the funeral? M? M. Maybe one
one o'clock in the afternoon, okay. So he was home
from one until he left to go circle K M.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he was home at one o'clock and then you
left at five thirty to go to your mom's. You
stayed at your moms until about eight thirty, and then
you came back right and then you were at the
house for about another two hours or so until he
came in and he just said, Hey, I'm gonna go
get something to drink.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, he was already, he was, he was, he was
already in the house.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He was in the house.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We were already in the house. Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
He said he was just gonna go get something to drink. Okay,
so he went and got something to drink at around
probably around ten o'clock or so, I guess right. And
he didn't stick on that one.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And you were talking to him on the phone. Okay,
why did you make that post right at eleven? Here's
the thing, because it's I'll tell you why. Like I said,
it was confusing to me, it still is because you know,
you put yourself in a situation where you know, I'm
asking you questions about stuff, pretty simple questions, and you
(13:06):
kind of just outright lie about it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know, because you are afraid that you're.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Gonna it's gonna look like you did this. Why would
you think that it would look like you did this?
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Justifying because there's nobody else, I'm the only person.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, the reason I'm asking that is because you deleting
those Facebook posts.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know, it kind of shows me that you're that
you're really worried that I'm going to find out something.
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That's the thing that that's the thing that concerns me.
I got kids, your age, you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Know, and I know that I know that I've been
around to.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Know that things happen for whatever reasons, and I know
that sometimes, you know, sometimes we get to we get
to a point with other people, especially if you're in
a relationship. I've been in a buncha too. I'm an
old guy, so I know when you get in a
relationship with somebody over a period of time, you know,
(14:12):
gets to the point where.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You know, things get rough. Okay, I just want to
clarify something. Okay, So all right, tell me again real quick.
You said.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You were outside smoking cigarette, correct, okay. And then when
you were outside smoking cigarette, you heard him? What did
you hear him say?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Okay? And then what then?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
What you do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You walk down there?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you went running down down, down there towards where
the car was, right, Okay, can you look at me
just for a minute. H That's not true. Okay, that's
not true. I just looked at the videotape. Okay, I
know you're at the car. So now we're in a
different situation, you and I. Okay, you're in a situation
(15:11):
where you're where you're you're at the scene of a murder.
Now you can you can you can do one of
two things. You can come clean and you can tell
me what the deal is, and we can talk about
why this happened, okay, or I can just go based
on what i've what I've got my own assumptions and
what's on the videotape. Because you never went running down
the street. You were there, So why don't you tell
(15:35):
me what happened so we can get this ironed out,
so I can understand why it is that this happened
to this young man and why you know, if it
had to do, if it had to do, if you
were scared of him or whatever it was, that now
is the time, that now is the time to say,
I mean, I get it, Okay, I totally get it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I understand it, your little girl. He was a big
old guy. Okay, I get it. But help me understand it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Can you tell me? Can you tell me.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What it was that that clused this? Was it because
of the he was thinking that you were cheating? Is
that what it was? And he tried he tried to
hurt you? Did he try and hurt you? Did he
(16:31):
try and hurt you? I mean, tell me if you
try and hurts if he tried to hurt you, tell me,
you know, let me, let me let me try and
figure this out for you. Is that what it was?
Did he get mad because he thought you were cheating
on him? And now you're probably gonna be charged with murder.
You understand that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's the gravity of the situation right here that we're
sitting in You're looking at a fucking murder charge.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And that's why we're helped work.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That's why we're seeing here with you, trying to get
you to get to a point where you explain it
to us.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Because I'm sitting in here with a grown ass woman
that's in here playing games with us at three o'clock
in the morning.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
We've asked you over and over what time, what time
it is? You have no clue you're playing games with us?
Will then help us understand what the deal was?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We got it on video. It is on video.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean you getting out in the car and running
back to your house, not the other way around.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You running down there right after the fact, after the fact.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But the video shows y'all pulling up in the car,
you getting out in the car and running back to
the house.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Congratulations, I get it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Can you help me understand? The only thing that I
can tell you is that I've got to hear it
from you. I can't do anything about that right now. Okay,
if I could let you walk out of here right now,
I would. But what I gotta do is I gotta
know what the story is before anything else happens.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Tell me what happened. Tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I got kids your age, I got a daughter your age.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And you don't think if I had a daughter your
age and I had somebody that was maybe abusing her,
you don't think I'd be upset about that. Of course
I would. Of course I would. And you don't think
if I have somebody was grabbing on me or hurting
me or trying to hurt me or my kids, you
don't think I would try and do something to stop that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I would. I absolutely would.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And I get it, Honey, I get it. Things happen
sometimes things happen.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Me understand, Okay, I understand.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, can you tell me what it was that caused it?
At least get me that far and just tell me
what it was that caused it. You know the other
part of this, too, is that this is the opportunity
that you're going to have to tell your.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Sign of the story. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It's not going to be one of those things where
you're going to have that opportunity you can. You know,
everybody's going to look at you like there's something wrong
that you did this and it was the wrong thing. Well,
I need to know why it was. I need to
know why it was. I need to know what the
reason was. Did you just get mad? Was he trying
(19:53):
to hurt you?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And what was he doing? Was he grabbing on you?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Was he put did he try and choke you?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Hyeah?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Let it go and know what I want to I
want to go.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I understand, I understand. And you just you shook your
head when you said he was trying to hurt you?
Was he Was he trying to choke you?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Did he try and hte you? You said you weren't angry, right,
you weren't angry? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Did he try and hurt you? Is that what he did?
Did he did he did he try and was it?
Was it choke or did he try and slap you?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I understand that, you you do?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Can you tell me? Can you tell me what it
was that happened? Just give you just just give me
just the basics of what happened. Did he did he
try and grab you? Did he accuse you of some
I saw there was another car that pulled up. Were
you in that other car? Okay, so you were in
(21:18):
You were in your car? And then what happened?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did he did he? Did he get mad because he
said he thought he would.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Cheating on him? Did he start yelling at you? I mean,
is that what it was? Did he start screaming at you?
And it scared you? I understand being scared. I understand
being scared. If you were scared, say you're scared.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't want to remember a better.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I know, I know, I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
In order for me to get from this place to
where to where it is that I understand thinks you
have to.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Did you not?
Speaker 10 (22:17):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You are?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
My good person?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Bad things happen to good people all the time. You
didn't mean to do it. Of course, it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was an accident.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I understand. Will you tell me, Will you tell me?
Will you explain it to me? So I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You said you didn't mean to do it, right, and
you weren't angry you basically? What well that that he
tried to choke you?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Or what?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, what's everything? What's everything? Was he trying to hurt you?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes? You're shaking your head. What was he doing to try?
And he did? He try and punch you? He did? Okay,
I understand.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Please go.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Can we finish talking? Please?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
If you I can go.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can't promise you anything. Can you just change.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You couldn't?
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Please please don't do this to me. Please don't do
this to me. Got a worship you. Please don't do
this to me. Please don't do this. I'm not gonna
take it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I'm not good. Maybe, Please please don't. I need you
in my quarter? Right kind of need you? I need
you anything?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You have four children?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Right? I need you? Please?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You have four children?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay? Please? Oh, you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Want to be able to you want to have been
able to tell your side of the story, because otherwise,
listen to you. Look at me, just for a second.
Look All they all they'll do is they look at
it from the standpoint of you having done something that
you know, what's tell why it was just done? You
(25:11):
said it wasn't on purpose? Right, Okay, So it was
an accident, a.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Big mistake, A big mistake. Okay, it was a big mistake.
I promised it was.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay. Did you try and hurt you? Okay? And what
happened when he tried to hurt me? He defended yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes, he was tonight, he was, and so what happened
when he tried to we were you were struggling and
then and.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Then what we need is just we were struggling when you.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Were struggling over the knife. Okay, that makes total sense.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
It's okay, it's not okay, it's not okay, but you no, no, no, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
What happened to the knife?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Do you know you just told me that what you
did was defenders.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I was still couldn't go down that I'm still gonna
go to jail. But now you don't understand that I
can go to jail. That's I'm not the type of person.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
What you told me was that you defended yourself. I'm
not the type of I get that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I won't make it. I get I will Okay, like myself.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I understand. I understand.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What you told me is that you defended yourself. You
said you were struggling, right, and you said that he
got stabbed while you were struggling. Isn't that what you
told me?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Okay, get up with him?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Why were you breaking up with me? Because he hate you.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, a lot h at that at the house.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
M hm ok mm hmm. Okay, life is over.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's not true.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That is not true. I promise you that's not don't.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't want to live his life anymore. I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I don't want to be here.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't want to be here. My life is over.
My mind is my mind is so messed up.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know what you want. You want terrible thing.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I don't want to go through what I know that
I'm about to go through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right now, all you're doing right now, are you're doing
is you're coming clean. Okay, that's all you do. You're
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
On the videotape, I saw you running back or the
house because you wanted to check on your kids.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right. What happened to the knife? Is it at the house?
Is it at the house? And which knife is it?
Is it the one with the broken handle? Which knife
wasn't it's a smaller one, Okay? Did you clean it off?
(28:38):
Did you clean it off?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So it was it's in the sink.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, it's the smaller one that's in the sink.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, And then what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You guys just drove down there and turned around because
he got mad.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay. And then one.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
When you guys were struggling with the knife, were you
inside the car outside the car?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
M hmm. God, I'm so sorry. God, I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I'm so sorry. God.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
Please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please
forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Mhm hi, choet, what's what's going on? Mm hm p
give me, please give me. I want to go. Forgive
(30:15):
you for what you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Did he do something to you?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Huh yeah? Mhm m hmm. Hello, Oh said for what?
Do you say me to jail for what? For what? Here?
(30:44):
Rejected myself.
Speaker 13 (30:45):
How they gonna take a job in protectular? I don't
want them to he did something to you? Are they
did he do something to you? I was just redegnant myself.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well that's what you need to tell. What's happened? A damn?
I don't know anything, So you ain't never call me
down the crying exactly where is there? And get you
off the phone? Who is there? Who is there? Hello? Jail?
(31:36):
Say I can't do that. I can't go to jail.
I can't say I need you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You need to tell them what happened.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
That's what you need to do, you know me. Okay,
how hard it is you tell them?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, but I just told him I'm right. Look look him,
Look if he was he know, you go the victim.
You know me, she'll get it together. System.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You hear me?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Do you hear me? You hear me? I can't go
home my life. Liked what you mean? You wasn't suppers
happened like that? What you mean? What was he did
something to you? Why? What? What? I told him?
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Everything that happened, I already told him, But I didn't
tell them what happened the first until.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
They looked at that video. They just got the car
park the video and saw that I was.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
In no.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
D because I was right there. I told them that
I wasn't at the scene.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Mm hmmm mm hm mhm.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
M.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's kind of long, that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
H m hm h m m m.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, h.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Don't you know that picture that I should have said?
That wasn't it right? Okay? Where did did you get
it out of the kitchen? Is that where you got
it from? When you took it with you? What was
it in the car? Did you put it in the
car with you?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
When did you take it? Take it and put it
in the car with you?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Because he had on.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
He had one?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Okay, so you you took it downstairs with you and
you got in the car with it when you went
to drive.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, all right, second.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Mom juation, quie. Come on then, come on, come on?
What what is it? Huh? Nobody thin? Nothing to me?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
He gave.
Speaker 14 (35:03):
He ain't say nothing, he said, he asked you what happened?
What was you defeeling yourself? And when they they said
you running from the car when they first and well
(35:25):
you not telling them? They need a play by play?
What happens a play by play?
Speaker 15 (35:34):
I told him he wasn't even it don't.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Matter even tell him again. He didn't. He didn't ask
me again.
Speaker 16 (35:48):
He walked out, and I told the other car and
what kind of life he had? He had the big
one and I had the litter one.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
So well, what would it end up being? It? People?
The charge of murder? You what, that's not play by
fucking place. There's no where happen. It's not fee though.
That is not fair. No it ain't.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
Found tell them what happened played by play.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's not making sense to do? Is do it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
What the fuck? I don't know what to do? Why?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Why why do you george me with straight murder.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Murder? It's murdered. They didn't Georgia e do george of
me with murder murder? It wasn't even supposed to go
like that. It don't need to tell they don't play
by play, wasn't it? Do you hear me?
Speaker 17 (37:27):
I hear you? I okay, stop crying now for real.
It ain't just about you. It's about me. It's about you,
It's about mama, it's about going, it's about it's about
c J.
Speaker 18 (37:47):
Money and say, it's not about just you.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Say it's not just you, requre you. This is not
a game. Mh You just hurt tell them what happened?
You defending yourself. Then you have a story behind that.
(38:29):
You did not get him a story. That's what they
said about what happened. I don't know what happened. I
wasn't up.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I answered those questions.
Speaker 14 (38:43):
It ain't about answering questions, about telling them what people happened.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I did.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
He was asking questions and I was telling they want
to know what happened as okay, but what did he.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Do to you?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I told him that it wasn't supposed to happen like that.
He asked me. What did he asking me? Did he
hit me?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Did he joke me?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yes, he did all of.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
That, but any more to it than just he hit me.
He choked me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He did.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You had ways to show what happened.
Speaker 15 (39:20):
He did all of that, because breaking don't do.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You just need to tell them all of that.
Speaker 14 (39:28):
You need to go through the emotions of what happened,
how it happened, all of that, not.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Just he hit me, he choked me. It's little details
into it.
Speaker 14 (39:39):
Than that that it It didn't that this shit is
crazy and I it didn't go like that.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
You didn't tell them that this is unbelievable. Man. Mm hmmmmmmm.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
We were in the right.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Huge oh cheating the hill, so we got.
Speaker 15 (40:18):
Mad and wouldn't got to say so I grant went
through and then we were just.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
In there and we were resting in the house.
Speaker 15 (40:27):
This when we were in the house, and then after
you get me because of that, that's when I broke up.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And then he started choking me.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
So where the kids was.
Speaker 15 (40:48):
So after that when I got a loose where I
went to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And just stayed in there and cried and cried.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I was getting ready to take him home to my house.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Anyone gave me the keys?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well you took the car? No head the king.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And the car?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
O would get ready? If you questioned me? Can I
swear off the road?
Speaker 15 (41:30):
He was in the apartment, you know that came out
and right there, like turn to go to the store.
Speaker 18 (41:38):
Were right there?
Speaker 7 (41:40):
He out the car.
Speaker 16 (41:44):
Then he came round and then he started pure resident
(42:14):
you mm hmmm, you would.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I'm trying to OPI. I'm trying to that's everything.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
What do I do that?
Speaker 17 (42:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I never been. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't know when am I getting there? Each other
to hurt me? Where is the hurt me? When they
trying to kill me in there? I don't know what
joys bad? I don't know. They making me seem like
(43:15):
I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I know.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
O can't. I can't.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
No hurt and myself.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I can't go in there. I'm giving myself.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I can you got to fight? I got yes, you can't.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now you've listened. Now go to your thing.
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