Steven Cambian & Lu Angeles : Surviving the UFO rabbit hole!

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and welcome back tonight. It isgoing to be a fun conversation and one
I've been hoping to have for sometime. Getting out of the rabbit hole.
Surviving the rabbit hole can be extremelychallenging, and I thought it would
be helpful to almost a therapy session. I've often talked about this concept of

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the second red pill. Why doesso many people? Why do so many
people get stuck down this rabbit hole? And I think we're going to explore
some of that tonight. To me, it was an alternate reality, a
secret world where you're in on allkinds of things that regular people just don't
know about, and you know thetruth, and you know more about reality

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than most people, or so youthink, until that second red pill comes
and you realize you've quite possibly wasteda tremendous amount of time down a crazy
rabbit hole full of deception and profitdriven motives to keep you there. Tonight's
guest is Angelus, who is asuccessful comedian and actor from the West Coast,

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and he got stuck down the rabbithole and for a time ran what
most would argue was one of themost successful YouTube shows about UFOs on planet
Earth. And then things took astrange turn when he decided to ask one
UFO celebrity some real questions, andthings to quite a turn for him.

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And it's interesting that once the applaudedhero of disclosure has sort of changed his
tune and now become a voice ofreason for people stuck down that rabbit hole.
So we're going to bring him inhere one second. Here, let

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me get the background. Sorry aboutthat. There we go Okay, welcome
Lou Angelis. Hey, how youdoing. Good to have you here,

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Hey man, thanks for having me. Yeah, So I've been watching you
know, I like that you didthis one eighty. A lot of people
didn't like that. Have you haveyou kind of been feeling that like truth
tax like the difference between just allin like this is all real and you
know, supporting some of the strangecharacters to now, I mean, what

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like you asking me what the differenceis like, have I noticed? Yeah?
Like have you you know? It'sthis huge stark difference doing it the
way that you're doing it now comparedto when you started, right, I
mean, yes and no. Ithink it's because, Look, I was

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never told to push a narrative.I was doing a lot of that stuff
on my own, out of myown good will, and I feel like,
you know, it was there wasnever an like the only intention from
the things that I was doing wasthat, you know, I just wanted
to have a good time. Iwanted to look good, sound good,
and I wanted to try and helpthe discussion as much as I could.

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But I thought even at the time, and I thought, you know,
I don't give up myself enough creditbut we did, at least with Michael
and with Rather. You know,they were good counterbalance to my belief system.
So there was always at least questionsbeing asked and beliefs being being pushed,

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you know, especially from Rather,Like Rather got us to talk to
Mike West. Rather got us tojust take the emotion out of what Mick
West is saying and actually listen towhat he's saying, you know, and
and what he's articulating. And it'slike, oh, yeah, that's right,
you know, when he's not thatbad of a guy. After all,
he's not saying that they're not it'snot the devil. It's like he's

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putting a rational argument. Okay,cool, like, and he's also doing
some great math on a lot ofquestions that I don't know how to do
the math to. So you know, it's it's great that we have people
like that in the field that are, you know, adding clarity to the
discussion. So the difference. Istill do the same show, but I

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just call out the narrative when it'sbeing pushed in such a blatant and gross
disgusting way, and when people aren'tconnected, like I don't want to say
connecting the dots because it's just like, you know, I'm not in you
know, an expert at connecting dots, but it just seems oh no,

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Actually, I listen to few ofyour latest and I think you're doing a
great job at that because you lookingbeyond the layers of deception used to build
the stories now where before you werejust listening to the stories and you know,
like, yeah, but I likedRather and the pushback, and it's
a shame with what happened with that, you know, whole situation is he

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like not want to do the showwith you because of the harassment and all
of the nonsense. Yeah, Imean he's everybody's built because of the harassment
and the nonsense, Shane Michael andRather, you know, I mean everyone
is stuck around and just sort oflike, you know, still share my
opinion on these things. Like It'sfunny because when I when I first started

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UCR, man I if all thevideos were available, you'd be you'd see
the first twenty or thirty episodes.I covered both seasons of Unidentified, and
I questioned the shit out of them. I had made videos about Bob Azar
being a pimp, and I gota lot of pushback on those videos early
in my I wasn't aware of thatby the time I was the UFO Celebrities

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Central over there, so I waslike, what's going on over here?
My biggest complaint, I remember,my biggest complaint in the first few episodes
about Unidentified was the you know,the same things that they did to sell
us after nine to eleven, tosell us a war, you know,
putting the flag, the American flagbehind every single patriot, you know,

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and and the United States military islike this entity that is just so trustworthy
and so you know, so untouchable. So it's like, how dare you
question if these guys can get anythingwrong? Because look at the integrity,
look at their bona fides, lookwhere they've been, look at what they've
done for this country, you know, and it's just like, yeah,
that's I get it. But makemistakes, you know, like they're they're

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probably and what I thought, it'sa trick. It's a trick, Like
look at those highly placed and telllegence officer and he was in on all
the secrets. To me, itbecomes part of the grift. If they
if they don't have evidence to show, they talk about their prestigious accomplished backgrounds
that would make people believe that theywere in on some kind of national security

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secrets or or you know what,what the government knows. And the truth
is, I think most of theseguys are just as flueless as the rest
of us. You know, Iagree, Yeah, I think they're just
as clueless as anyone. You know. I again, like I talked about
last night, I believe on myshow where it's like I played that clip
again of I just I feel likeevery few months, I'm going to play

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this clip of Louis Alazando. I'mcalling all beings just saying I'm not a
eufologist. I never had made that. I mean, I honestly think we
should play that once a week,man, and just like ram it down
people's throats like you. And oneof his last appearances ever that he doesn't

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give a shit about this stuff andthat he was hired to use his expertise
and counter intelligence and counter insurgency andcounter terrorism, he says, the community,
you know what, it was justlike, why Yeah, when I
heard that the first time, Ithought he got drunk and like slipped you
know, No, I like slippedthe script. I really do think,

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Yeah, man, I like mytheory is I really do think like it
was mission accomplished for him, andhe just he didn't care at that point.
Like I think he's gonna get hismovie deals in his book deals.
He knows those are coming, andhe doesn't have to do podcasts anymore.
He got the narrative out there.And you know, like I was discussing

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this in a space a couple ofdays ago, of five and a half
hour Twitter space I did where Ianswered as many questions as I could about
this whole thing. And you know, like I said, and if Lula
Zando is running some kind of operationwhere he was bringing attention to a very

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real national security issue, and thatnational security issue being drone attacks that section
of the sky not being looked atproperly. You know, our adversaries using
weird looking drones on purpose, sothen our military personnel do not report them
because they know the stigma's high.They're taking advantage of a known stigma or

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enemies. If Lula Zondo manipulated aguy like me into doing the big phone
home and advocating for this topic andgetting lawmakers to pay attention to this section
of the sky, and that's whatactually happened, and that's why he's like,

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all right, I'm out now,I'm going to take advantage of book
deals and movie deals and you know, go get my government contracts. You
know, if he did that tokeep me safer, Okay, what I
mean, how can I be abat him for that? But I just
don't know if that's the case,you know, So, Yeah, I

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always thought there was two possibilities orreally three with him. Is that one
is just he just profit driven andyou know, he found these videos in
the Pentagon and declared himself the directorof an imaginary ELFO program. Yeah,
and he knew that that would selland that he would profit greatly from this,
and there is no governmental involvement.And of course the other possibility is

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that, yeah, he was sentin to do exactly what you said,
is to raise defense spending on theseissues. You know, could very well
be and I get I wouldn't Iwouldn't hold it against I wouldn't hold that
against him either. I mean,don't you think that it's important that we
look at those things in our guys? I do. But the slimy way

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to go about it, though,you know, like I'm gonna bar these
videos from the Pentagon. Then I'mgonna lie to the New York Times and
claim I was the director of aPentagon UFO program, And then it turns
out he was in the land ofmate. Believe you know, these layers
of deception that were used to sellthis narrative start falling apart. And then
he says that you're right. Itwas one of his last podcasts. But

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he's just like, yeah, Igot sent in and used my counter intelligence
skills. And I was like,what did he just say? It's amazing?
Why do we know it's just wild? How that's just like, no,
it doesn't It doesn't matter, youguys. It doesn't matter that he
said that, like like disclosures alreadyhere, you guys. Doesn't matter.
Like I hate to break it toyou guys, it's not Yeah, it's

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not as interesting as people are puttingout there. Like I see Kimball is
in the chat right now, andhe had an interesting space today with a
gentleman by the name of Nick Gold, and he is doing the Declassify UAP
movement, basically a political action committeeto engage representatives to declassify more UFO things.

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But there's no initiative whatsoever to improveFoya whatsoever. There's not one of
those. It's no teeth whatsoever.But it's it's asking for all of like
I don't know the worst things.And also there's like a I don't know,

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there's a few Like I asked himto come on the show. He
is a very very nice guy,very well spoken. The website's very well
put together, but like, yeah, there are some things about this website
and some connections that they have tocertain organizations that are red flags for me,
you know, And and it's it'sjust why, it's how they've they

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you know, they they've taken myidea and they've just put their spin on
it. And and it's like,you know, the only people you can
trust is new media, and newmedia is the Liberation Times. New media
is you know, uh use NationRoss Colthearts, you know, Joe Rogan.

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And it's just like none of theseguys do any sort of fact checking
or cross cooperation. They just Googleship. They just Google ship and that's
their journalism, you know, likeand right click research. Yeah it's not
Google's first five search right topics.I'm not gonna know, you know,

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right yeah, And so yeah,it's just I don't know, man,
It's just really frustrating, you know, like this is that we're we're not
asking for. You know, wehave three videos in the public sector that
are public. Everybody knows that they'rethey're they're out there, and the United
States Navy claims that, yes,those are our videos. Why can we

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not get the full versions of thesevideos? Why can't we get the cockpit
recordings? Why can't we get simpleinformation like how far away is the gimbal
from the plane? You know,how it depends on who you ask,
Like nobody knows. You know.You got one guy like Marie von Klompenstick
that writes for The Hill, youknow, and again that's another like journalist

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that you know, these guys citeas credible sources of information. They're very
biased and and they're biased, andthey all seem to have heavy ties to
the military industrial complex. They've workedfor the SCU. It was located in
in Alabama, which is the cradleof the military industrial complex. There's a

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ton of guys that are x C. I A include rich Avin I believe
it was x CIA. Like allof these guys have worked in high tech
government programs and all of them forsome reason, are pushing this narrative with
very little proof, and when peoplelike Mick West dare challenge them, they
immediately shut everything off and block them. And it's like, oh no,

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they're they're their their math isn't validfor some reason, like their their math
doesn't doesn't like are you kidding me? He doesn't count? Why? Yeah?
And I always want to say,like I don't know, you know,
like I took computer science and collegeand it was all math, like
math is math, Like you can'treally are you? Are you? And
you know, sometimes somebody can makea mistake on a formula that you could

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spot and correct. But Mick Westis a former game designer. This guy
thinks in terms of math, andthat's how he I think that's how he's
able to debunk him. And hethinks just using math and logic, you
know. Yeah, no, andit's helpful, you know, like it's
like, okay, good, weknow what that is. And Kimball,

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you're right, you know, youdid promp my efforts to the big phone
home and I appreciate that stuff,you know, but it's like, you
know, yeah, it's it's justI don't even really mind that part of
it. It's just like the youknow you, the way that people are
claiming, Oh, I don't havea pie, I don't have a bias.
I'm only in it for the scientificreasons. But I'm only going to

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cite the worst sources that are availableout there on this topic and be connected
to some of the I think shadiestorganizations in this discussion, because all of
these organizations like the SCU, theGalileo Project, Americans for Safe Aerospace,
all of these organizations are lobbying andpositioning themselves to get government, big government

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contracts, Like every year the NDAAgets expanded by billions of dollars. And
everyone knows that the government is insanelywasteful, and I think these guys know
that too. And I think theseguys see a golden opportunity to make some
real money off of a topic thatthe United States military can easily handle,

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like they could easily handle it.Yeah, but don't you think that's that's
a big issue. A big issuemight be that these guys know that the
government is embarrassed. They have tobe embarrassed, Like, you have the
biggest military in the world, youhave these human military's budgets all these sensors
and and we've got NORAD whose jobit is to track everything coming within our

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territorial space, and they're dropping theball, screwing it up, and it's
embarrassing. So I think, well, what they're vetting for is that the
government is going to want to offloadthat responsibility so that they have some idiot
to blame, like, well thatwe paid this organization to study this issue
and they and they don't know whatit is either or you know, it
makes them blameless because they're just goingto outsource it. I think it's simpler

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as in just let them talk aboutUFOs like they're not talking about the major
fuck up that we that we did. They're not you know, when they
point out the sky and they seesomething weird, they go, oh my
god, it's alien instead of ohmy god, China or you know,
the Navy. You know, likeso I think it's it's a it's for

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the Pentagon and the d O D. It's a little bit of have your
cake and eat it too, youknow, like it's like maybe there is
aliens, you know, maybe thatthat's zero point zero one percent is a
crashed object that that we reverse engineered. But we're never going to give you
any of that information because well,you just don't have the clearance. Sorry,

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you know, yeah, and they'renot giving it to congressman. Congressmen
are getting kicked out of skiffs andair force bases because they don't have the
clearance. Yeah, And I thinkthat's that's one of those fun things though,
that makes people think that it mightbe true what people are saying,
because oh, well there's a coverup, and they're you're covering that up
from Congress. Even so, ithelps make the whole grift work, you

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know, it makes the grift work. It's a win win for everyone because
the government, because these guys knowthe government's in a no win situation,
like you're right. They either admitto a huge hole and a huge mistake
for the last forty years that isbuilt up to this very real issue that
we have, or they play stupidand prolong the UFO discussion, which covers

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up the you know, you knowwhat I mean. Like and so these
guys can go, now, wellthey're hiding things. They're doing this you
know, administrative terrorism. This guy'sa piece of shit, you know,
like attack this person and this personand this person because they know the government's
not going to come out and say, okay, absolutely, here's what's going
on, like we fucked up.Okay, we we didn't look at this

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part of the sky because for along time we we stigmatize UFOs and yes
we fire people, Yes we demotedpeople. Yes people's lives were ruined.
This is a new navy, thisis a new pen gone, this is
a new Department of Defense. Todayour enemies know that this is a vulnerable
part in our national security system,and that's because of our own mistakes.

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So here today we're going to ownup to this and this whole UFO discussion.
I know it's very interesting, Iknow it's very compelling, but we
have not found zero evidence of justlike Aero is saying, just like doctor
Kpatrick's saying, like we haven't factwe've found anomaloust things. But I think
but he's also saying, I thinkthey're anomalists because we don't have enough data.

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We don't have another person on theground or another sense. And now
everybody's screaming cover up because some peoplesaid there was data, right, you
know, so it because you know, they became a cloud of you can't
you can't discern right, it's you'reright. I think the motives are hard

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to see. But I mean,like I think it's you know again,
like I'm I'm trying to play detectivehere, but I think it's like they
these guys know they can lobby forthese big government contracts and these big wasteful
bills and they could call out thegovernment like this, and the government is
the DD's got to just be likejust let these idiots do whatever they want,

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you know what I mean, Likeit's like if if it costs US
one hundred million dollars in government contractsto cover up this issue, okay,
you know, like whatever, letit be, would it be? I
don't know, that's pretty funny.It's just wild, dude, you know,
like these guys know, like theyknow so they can take advantage of
these contracts. They're going to makethe money, and the DD gets to

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fix the problem behind this UFO showin Surrod. Yeah, and I think
it is it is convenient that somany of these UFO celebrities are all creating
some kind of organizations where they're activelyseeking government contracts while promoting a UFO threat

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narrative. You know, like ifthey're promoting. They're they're popularizing the idea
that there's this UFO threat and thesame time they have an organization. We
can solve that for We can helpyou with that, even though we have
no equipment, no no idea,We have no idea. We we don't
have any jets, we don't haveany satellite, we don't have any you

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know, air airships with complex andvery you know, articulate radar systems.
But we'll solve it for you.Trust us. Just give us that twenty
million, forty million, eight hundredmillion Americans for Safe Aerospace. Like that's
a good name. Who doesn't wantthat? I fly sometimes I love safe

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Arah Sure, sure, but likewhat's is? It's Americans for Safe Aerospace.
But we don't want your stories.We don't want your experiences, We
don't want your sightings or anything you'veseen. We only want it from the
pilot. It's and military people,you know, like nobody else says,
I guess everybody else is not anAmerican. They don't they don't get to

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report ship these guys, you know. Like it's it's funny, man,
it's really really funny. It's itrights itself. Like and then we have
Gary Nolan and David Grush have anorganization and didn't lou Alizon though he had
sky for it. So he wastrying to get those contracts, like everybody's
trying to get these contracts for theUFOs. Well that's the thing, is

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like this this declassify UAP when youlook at who, like the about section
and who's part of the organization.I'm looking at it now you know who's
behind this, and of course it'sNick Gold and there's this whole resume here
and how he's part of SCU.He used to be part of the Galileo
project, you know. And andthen you've got Mike Rezl who's a consultant

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and moderator and he is created websitesfor ufologists, Jacques Valet and Ryan's s
break and YouTube channel it's redacted,which is Jake Mann who is was a
part of sky Fork, who ispart of this whole. It's always like
yeah, yeah, it's like allof these guys are connected to each other,

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just a yeah, that's great.Yeah, they're just changing the story,
you know, they're just changing whatit looks like and what it's called.
And they're and they're there. It'slike it's all it is is like
sky Fork three point zero essentially,you know, like it's it's just a
different version, and and they tryto legitimize it even more and more each
time. It's interesting, this one'san LLC, so at least it's it's

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a it's not a nonprofit, youknow. But like I like that up
Transparency Advocate. It sounds right,like yeah, let's get transparency on this
issue, right, It's awesome.It sounds awesome, you know, and
it's like I don't know, man, like yeah, and isn't it you

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know, I don't know. Iwould think though, if you have a
UFO organization, like look at thatcreated websites for ufologists such as Jacques Vila,
Ryan Sprague and the YouTube channel it'sredacted. Like that's not a good
thing because La just got caught sellinga book that was completely about a fake
story made up by a UFO profiteeringhuckster, completely and totally fake story.

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Ryan Sprague, I don't know,he's one of the biggest UFO I call.
You know, he just plays along. He's he sits there and has
the guests and they tell their storiesand it's not helpful. You're not kidding
any you know, and I don'tknow redacted great, you know, don't
I don't get it. You know, he was well, he was part

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of the meeting that was supposed tohappen with Loui Lasano, Chris Mellon,
Sean K. Hill, and JakeMan and forgetting someone here one other guy
who is h yeah anyway, buthe's he's very well connected with Jake Man.
I'm forgetting his name right now.But you know, yeah, like

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it's just funny how they pop upin all these other different organizations and things
like that. It's it's just weird, man, It's it's weird. Yeah.
And you know, I when Isee this, I go, oh,
here's another organization that's trying to getsome kind of funding or trying to
you know, get at least it'snot a nonprofit, you know, right,
well, look at their donat ifyou go to their support button.

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You know, like it's just funny. You know, there's you know,
they tell you that they have toreport uh these these donations every year,
which is cool. You know,they have to be transparent about it.
But you know, like the oror when you go to about and you
go to pledge sorry, you know, the pledges are looks like they started

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five hundred bucks or I don't know, maybe I read it wrong, but
cash man, you know, I'mgoing to become a what And one of
the other things that always kind ofmakes me laugh is like, do you
just just declare yourself a UAP transparencyadvocate? Like we can both just say
we're UAP transparency activists and I wantyou five dollars donations too. Yeah,

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it's just call the government and harassthem into well, it says here the
organization will publicly report all net revenueassociated with its activities, donations, merchandise
sales, potential, speaker and appearancefees, and quarterly fundraising reports an annual
financial report. Two. All ofthe organization's major cost centers will be reported

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in the annual financial report, whichwill include a Human resources including all compensation
of its founder and contractors and anypotential future employees. Infrastructure and operations e
g. Website hosting, domain registration, voter engagement, platform, email hosting,
et cetera. See promotional activities,video production, merchandise and swag for

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giveaways, events, et cetera.Like it seems like they are really prepping
themselves for a big wave of activity, and they're going to be just the
perfect company to soak up all ofthis curiosity and tell people where to go
and how to say it. Andyou know, all it's really gonna do
is just boast a huge military budgetthat's already boasted enough. And yeah,

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I don't think it's going to goto anything that's going to be super useful
for every day Americans. Well,somebody's gonna make a lot of money,
though, so there's that Oh yeah, no, there's gonna be a handful
people's cash, bitches. I'm callingmyself a UAP transparency advocate. I'm going
to start a website. Yeah,yeah, let's start a website. We'll

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call it give us UAP dot com. Give us UAP cash, Yeah,
I bet you that's open. Giveyou UAP cash. Yeah. And when
I see in just another organization,I'm like, how many of these do
we need? We've got Americans forSafe Aerospace, We've got the Galileo Project.
Everybody's trying to get some UFFO dollars. Many we're both missing out.

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We are start a nonprofit right,We're like, we'll have UFO parties,
you know, yeah, just orjust start up straight up for profit and
tell the government, Hey, wecould figure out this UAP problem for you.
We got just as much equipment.I would My first thing, I
would just I would just hire mcwestand the principal investigator of both. Could

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you imagine if they just gave themall the data he would be like if
I was running Arrow or any government. But the first thing I would do.
First of all, they nicked hisdebunk on in ear rings. They
like they they basically saw his debunkand then they had their own mathematicians working
out and go, God, damn, this video game guy's good. He's

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right. Let's say that the triggonometrywas correct, you know, like it's
like, dude, it's I.I. Anytime someone's like, oh man,
new video coming out, or ohI'm gonna drop this thing, I'd
be like, Bro, show Mickwexfirst before you do anything, Like I
would show him first before you publiclyput it out there, so that way
you don't look like they. Theguy that was posting like three year old

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videos and he was saying he hada secret source and he had to get
clearance to release them, and peoplelike and then he puts it out of
it like that was deep on threeyears ago by y Yeah. Yeah,
it's so just some of this stuffis so stupid. And what did you
think of the brush? Who Ithink is louel Zondo two point oh?
But what did you think of thisridiculous excuse? Like, uh, first

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it was they wouldn't let him inthe skiff, then it is okay,
we're gonna let him in the skiff. Well, I don't got bus fair
man, or is it lay fair? Whatever? Has anybody considered this closure
was canceled lou angelist because he didn'thave plane fair. It's disclosures canceled.
Yeah, it's over because disclosure isover because we can't get a plane ticket

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and a and an uber in ahotel. Yeah. Man, it's it's
hilarious. It's it writes itself,dude. It's a script, you know.
And I keep saying that one dayit'll it'll manifest, I promise you.
But like, it's so silly,man, how these guys have have

(38:32):
taken this story this far with noinformation. I was amazed with no day
they made off of grush with noevidence, And tomorrow, after midnight tonight,
it will be one hundred and fiftydays since Dave Grush made his original
claims, I've been counting. Andthen other people are now too since I

(38:53):
started, people are posting post everyday in forty eight days. And then
yeah, then funny and like ifyou look, I'm a little bit OCD.
So I'm crazy. I went upand at it all the monetized YouTube
views from like News Nation, RossCold Part, Jeremy Corbell, the the

(39:17):
Yes Theory guy and the other guy, and like, it's a lot of
money, Lou, Like it's alot, and the fact that they were
they were able to generate like hundredsand hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad
revenue from a story that has zeroevidence none, there's no evidence whatsoever.

(39:38):
There's excuses. First time they wouldn'tlet him in the skiff, it's all
classified. And then the thing isthe DD released him to talk about that
stuff. It can't be classified,so that excuse falls apart. Then we
get the they wouldn't let him inthe skiff excuse. Now they would let
him in the skiff. He's gotno excuses. Could it be the reason

(39:59):
why they wouldn't let him in theskiff is because he failed the security check
or the background check. Yeah,they do some kind of background you know
what I'm saying. That's the onlyreason they wouldn't let you in there.
You weren't clear to be in thatclassified setting. Well, they never going
to let him in, but hedid he needed a plane fair And then
he said that that's not accurate.But I don't know why a senator would

(40:22):
say. I try to get himand he needed us to pay for his
plane fair, Like she just makethat up. That makes what I found
funny was he was like, Hey, the house is going to hold a
hearing or get into a skiff withDave Gresh. He's like, oh,
really, I'd like to go tothat. Like she had no clue.

(40:43):
She had no clue it was goingon, and so she's so funny,
Like that's what I found funny.It was just like, yeah, she
had no clue. And then she'slike, yeah, I'd love to get
him, you know, to comehere. I mean, you know,
we could talk on the phone,but he can't tell me anything classified over
the phone, you know, Andapparently he needs a plane ticket in a
hotel. Uh, and we don'thave in the budget. It was just

(41:06):
like, what the fuck is goingon, you don't have you don't have
a plane ticket and a hood.Yeah, let him sleep in your office
and take the bus walk there,mister discloser of like the Arrow office budget,
like skiffs the reason why they didn'tgive him money. Probably, I

(41:28):
bet they do have a budget forthat, like, I bet they do.
I but his stories aren't checking out. His stories aren't checking out behind
the scenes even even even uh well, you know, I mean Senator or
Congressman timber Chet said the other daythat his staffers warned them about, yeah,

(41:53):
that he's not a reliable witness,like and I know that because I
talked to some of those staffers everyday for a long time, and I
eventually I got one chatty Kathy,and I said, did you hear the
eleven hours of testimony? And hesaid, well, I earn most of
it. And I said, andwhat did you tell the senator after hearing
that? He said, I toldhim he was not a reliable witness.

(42:15):
And then I said, can youelaborate on that? And I guess he
wouldn't give any details because I guessthey're all concerned. Maybe he did say
something classified in there and I can'trepeat it or I'll get in trouble.
But it's great that his own stafferssays, not reliable witness. And meanwhile,
all the disclosure doors got their disclosureboner so hard and they don't hear

(42:37):
this when you none of this matters. It's like, like I said,
there's this alternate reality that this isa hero of disclosure and everything he's saying
is true, but behind the scenesit's falling apart. Now there's this excuse.
I love it. Disclosure is canceledbecause we don't have to play there,

(42:59):
you know. Yeah, well,I mean, like yeah, Cosmic
Judas's little video that he made withthose great stuff with Grush Grush, and
like the whole plane ticket, andlike he went and like googled the plane
ticket. How much it costs theyou know, the hotel for the night
and the guber to Capitol Hill andfrom the airport, it was like five

(43:21):
hundred and eighty four dollars, youknow, something like that. Disclosure is
canceled for lack of five hundred andeighty four dollars. But meanwhile, everybody
covering the Grush story, if youcollect them all together, made hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of dollars off ofhis story. But when it comes time
to put up the goods, wedon't got five eight dollars. Don't you
think that News Nation, if hereally had evidence or anything, would pay

(43:45):
him to go and then interview himabout it or something like? They're this
guy's got nothing. He's got EricDavis stories and output off stories. And
I know for a fact he's repeatingGarery Nolan science talking points. I know
for a fact. Yes, yes, So maybe all these people he says

(44:07):
he interviewed were all just the UFOwhack of dus. I think I think
he's I think he's talking to KateGreen. I think when he says things
like that, he means Kate Green. How put off? Eric Davis,
Gary Nolan, Louel Azando, ChristopherMellan, David Fraverer, Alex Dietrich,

(44:27):
her husband. I can't remember.Davis said we had non human craft three
plus years ago, no proof forthree plus years that that's an accurate statement.
But yeah, but again there's tworealities in the in the UFO believer
reality. Oh no, those weren'tthe people. Everybody that I talked to

(44:49):
they all deny that those are thepeople that Rush was talking to. But
there has to be a reason thatsome listen people listen to him and then
say, oh, this guy's nota reliable witness. There has to be
some reason that they're saying, well, there's there's a reason why the Washington
Post is like no, thank you, like like, we're not going to
be We're not going to be rushedto publish this story when we don't have

(45:12):
the facts. Sorry, We're notgoing to do that. You know,
Like I don't understand why people can'tstep back and be like, look,
if this was game changing, lifechanging, world changing news, this guy
would have a team of publicists thatwould have lined up the best most interviews
on the planet that you could possiblyget. They would not be going to

(45:35):
guest Theory and News Nation and youknow, Jesse Michaels, they would not
be going that route whatsoever, whatsoeverthey would be They would be doing it
a lot differently. And like oneof my buddy Charlie Perish the other day
said, you know, like thewhether you like Angelie or not, at

(45:55):
least she went to Capitol Hill andyou know, publicly said like how cool
would it have been if Dave Grushwent to Capitol Hill with all forty witnesses
and said hey, we're here toit. Yes, so there in front
like a memorial. That would havebeen something that would have been something you
know what I'm saying, And thatwould be that would be a little bit

(46:15):
more difficult to sort of downplay,you know, that would be a little
bit more difficult to to say,hey, like this is all bullshit.
You know. Yeah, that's whatpeople That's what they should do when people
use that trying to break the damn. That's what you need to break the
damn. You need real witnesses withreal evidence, with you know, corroboration,

(46:37):
with paperwork, with documents, andget them all in one place and
drop them like the real way thatlike Stephen Greer pretends to do it,
but do it. You know.Yeah, yeah, you're right. At
least ideally had balls to stand upthere and say that stuff. You know,
it all turned out but no,yeah, I know it was all

(47:00):
garbage. Yeah, absolutely, go. And we were talking about her today,
Man, what it just interesting.I'm telling you, I want to
make the movie someday. It's gotan interesting man, Like that's intelligence acy
and I like twice she worked forthem twice. She worked for them,
once as direct employee, and thenshe left to go do something else for

(47:23):
a while. And whatever she wasdoing was so valuable that they hired her
as a consultant and a contractor todo it again. So and she and
you know what she did, Shedid information warfare. That was her specialty.
I was blown away when I heardthis, because I go, here's
another intelligence agent that's coming into theUFO community and shaking all this stuff up.

(47:49):
And remember when she started, shehad this monstrous following almost overnight,
almost overnight, you know, yeah, No, it was crazy, Well
it was, you know, it'sjust so funny, man, She's so
fun She also like wrote erotic novelsand she was it's I believe, some
kind of production. She was anactress as well. I saw one of

(48:09):
her independence was like a Dennis too. Yeah. Oh that was rough.
Independent film was rough, but yeah, I mean, like, you know,
the the whole her interview on yourshow was hilarious. But then the
interview with the guy that ranch handler, the guy who owned the ranch,
like the Wayne guy. Yeahah Wayne, Yeah, that was a miracle,

(48:31):
dude. That was like, don'thave flack cats, dude, we all
got together. He found that guy. I couldn't believe it. When I
first talked to I'm like, andyou know, he knew enough of the
inside scoop of the story that Iknew right away this was the guy.
And I was just flown away.I'm like, oh my god, I
can't believe we found this guy.And then I go, you know,

(48:52):
and he was so pissed because she'stalking all this smack on the internet and
she's bringing scientists to his house andshe didn't even talk to him about it.
So he was pissed and wanted totell his story. I'm like,
I'll do it, you know,come on, And that was it was
worny. I loved what he's like, Yeah, we all smoked a really
high concentration of marijuana and done ofdrugs and great like fish. And I

(49:16):
was like, oh no, games, yeah, Rick Simpson oil can consollucinations.
It's super powerful THC oil. Andhe said on my show, he's
like, oh, I dosed herup. I'm like, what do you
mean. He's like, I thinkit's kind of funny to give people like
a huge dose. I do itall the time. And I was like,
oh my god. And then atfirst she said I wasn't on any

(49:37):
drugs at all, and then she'slike, well, I was on a
I was on an anti depressant,I was on a medication. I was
on an any anxiety man. Ohand the Rick Simpson oil. I was
like, no, wonder you seealiens, bitch? Yeah, yeah,
exactly, No, it's it's it'sa ship show, man, it's a

(50:00):
ship show. Once you dig pastthe surface, you really start finding all
of these weird little things about allthese people, and you know, and
yeah, thank god you interviewed thatguy. Like it wouldn't like if you
had never found that guy, shewould still be pushing this stuff as hard
as she was at the beginning,and she would not her credibility would be

(50:22):
so much higher if that guy wasnever found and you never had her on
the show. Like, yeah,no, because without a week. Yeah,
And then do you know, tothis day, little I still get
shipped from people. They go,well, you you platformed don Julie.
I'm like, no, we investigatedeverything she said, and we brought her

(50:44):
here and then we gave you thetruth of her story. I'm proud of
that work. I'm never like,oh, you're you you you hosted her.
She's fake. I'm like, asshole, you know she's fake because of
me, Like, well, I'llbe honest with you. At first,
I was like, dude, whyit just seems like At first I was
like, it's a slam, soshe's obviously lying, Like yeah, that

(51:06):
was obvious, right, people needto waste the time, right. But
then I saw the interview. Iwas like, no, that was hilarious.
It was funny, and it showshow kind of kookie she is.
And then you and then you gotthe guy who owned the ranch to come
on the show, was like,yeah, I dosed that chick up big
time. Deigts like it's just like, dude, this stuff rights itself.

(51:30):
I keep saying it, but it'strue, like it's it's a wealth of
content. It's dude, Yeah,it's it's you. I don't know what
to do. But she's still trying. And I saw what I don't know.
I was show, I think,and she sat there and she tells

(51:52):
her original story as if it's notbeen busted to ship, and they they
are not. Yeah, just theyjust love it. Wow, Wow,
you're so amazing to give me adisclosure boner, Like, oh man,
I don't know how some people areraking like yeah, I don't want to

(52:16):
call out names whatever. Everybody knowswho's on that show, and it's just
like they pretend to be these intellectualswhile nursing and propagating bullshit, and it's
just like, dude, you're sucha fake. You're such a fake,
you're such a poser. We cansee right through you. And by the

(52:37):
way, nobody's watching. Nobody iswatching that interview because everybody knows that it's
going to be self serving, asslicking bullshit, Like nobody's watching calling all
beings why because the show sucks.Number one, yell, that guy ls

(53:01):
at the top of his lungs everytime he introduces somebody like it's a WWF
match, and and the questions areterrible, and yeah, it's always got
an audience of eleven, you know, like you know, like it's just
so yeah, I don't know whathappened. They just redid the algorithms for

(53:22):
recommends, and everybody's views are goingto ship right now, so it could
be, but his show just sucks, so nobody watches it. That's not
that's not an algorithm thing. It'salways just been that way. Yeah.
And also I think I see thisevery year. I think right about now,
everybody's going outside and trying to getthe last bit of like outdoor stuff

(53:43):
in before they're stuck in the housefor the winter, at least on the
East coast, you know. Yeah, so yeah, you're like, god,
damn it. All these people areaway from their computers. That's not
good for me, right, ButI'm in the same boat. I'm out
and I've been trying to get likefirewood done because I don't get enough done.
I have anxiety attacks all winner,you know, Like, shit,

(54:04):
it's a cult here, Like itgets to be like negative ten there,
and you got to have that.You got to have a ship out of
firewood when it's negative ten. Youknow. Yeah, I don't miss I
don't miss that cold. That's theone thing I don't miss, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. And you howare you doing with the with the
comedy and acting thing. I wantedto talk to you about that because you

(54:24):
don't really you don't really, youdon't really share very much about that.
Well, yeah, no, primarilybecause I just don't want some fucking psychopath
showing up on my show. Ohyeah, I didn't think it now like
that. That's really why I don'tlike announce too many of my accomplishments or
things that I'm doing on there.Every once in a while I will,

(54:45):
but like I'll save that stuff formy Instagram or something. You know,
we're just the people on Instagram.I actually know. I was gonna say,
now they know where to stalk youat. Yeah, no, for
sure, for sure, No,I don't. I don't usually accept friendships
anymore. Like I'm very selective withwho I follow and who I follow me

(55:06):
on Instagram anyway, on Twitter,I don't really care. But yeah,
Patty says, true believers want theirUFO fantasy is fulfilled. And that's what
I think a lot of these peopleare like crack dealers for these people,
right, it's like they got toget their hit from somewhere. But the
level of delusion, you know,that's what bothers me sometimes. It's like
what like Ross Coulthard is a perfectexample, Like people are championing him like,

(55:30):
oh, you're such a great youknow, uh investigative, Like you
got caught selling four or five nowcompletely and totally fake stories. Why are
we putting you on a pedestal again? Like I don't know. And also
just the most egregious thing of like, oh, you're the gatekeeper of disclosure,

(55:50):
yeah, out of everything, likethat should piss off the UFO community.
The idea that he's he's keeping thesecret of a location of a ship
so big it can't be moved.I thought that was so ridiculous. It's
so big you can't move it.And by the way, I'm sure now
I've found several references to Ross Coulthartrepeating stories that Stephen Greer told a few

(56:13):
months before he told them, Sowhat we have is this closed loop of
bullshits, Like he's like, Ihave a great anonymous source. What he
doesn't tell you is anonymous sources listeningto Stephen Greer be yes in repeating it.
It's so, that's what the Giants'fation. Greer talked about that a
few like a month before he did. Yeah, well, I remember doing

(56:35):
for the Big Phone home too.I remember trying to push, you know,
this idea of you know, becauseLoue Alizando at the time hated Greer's
false flag narrative that he was pushinglike the edu of the government is going
to attack American citizens with UFOs,you know, and so I was like
trying to sort of you know,put sort of that messaging into the into

(56:59):
the uh to the phone home,just to make people aware of like,
you know, this is just silly, right, And like Sean Khill hated
him, Louie Alszando hated him,and now k Hill career and uh,
this is the third guy. Theyall appeared on News Nation together and I
think it wasn't Ross Coulthart. That'sfunny. I didn't see that one.

(57:22):
Yeah, I remember watching and forthose on where News Nation is now the
United States UFO channel, I meanthey do other news, but they trend
a lot times. It's it's aratings boost for sure. I mean that
like they've already covered that, likethat's that's a big bread and butter item
for them where they could they couldtalk on it on all of their shows

(57:45):
and have a segment about it,and they're okay with being the UFO network,
like news network like that that youcan rely on to cover this seriously,
even though all of the sources thatthey use are pure bullshit. Jammy
Corbel, like all of the worstsources that you could possibly listen to on

(58:07):
this, like I I don't knowwhy they don't question the ship out of
uh grush's claims about aliens killing Americancitizens. You know that would seem to
be a big sensationally. Yeah,well, let's stop for a minute and
let's talk about this one thing thatyou said. You basically said, there's
listen for those unaware data. Gressis giving us disclosure about very important things

(58:30):
like space monster, aliens killing Americancitizens. And nobody's stop right when you
stop and say like, hold onhere, you gotta break this ship down.
We gotta we gotta dig into thisone a little this one claim a
little bit like where because it's soeasy to debunk, like give me their
names, we'll go, we'll golook, we'll go look it up.

(58:52):
You know, we'll get the autopsyreports. I'm sure that's what Washington Post
was saying too, but they werelike, nope, I can't do it,
man, you know, as abad So then they're like, okay,
well we'll give it. We'll giveit to the debrief and the Debriss
like awesome, bro, we'll publishthat. I mean, did you see

(59:15):
our warp drives article? Holy shit, man, you like this is no
problem, you know, and andit was so funny because Tim McMillan,
I just bugged the shit out ofme, you know. I was like,
you know, like he was claimingthat all of these people like Kirkpatrick
and all of these guys were makingsuch a mess out of this situation.
I'm like, you're the one whojust made the biggest mess out of all.

(59:37):
He just threw this guy into themiddle of this discussion without verifying any
of his claims whatsoever. And nowit's a bigger mess than it ever was
before because of you, Tim McMillanand the debrief. Like you guys created
this fucking confusion pie. Now everybodydoesn't know what the hell was going on,

(59:58):
except for rational, clear minded,you know, non emotional people who
could step back and look at thisclearly and go, oh, yeah,
this is all bullshit, you know, like this if this was real again,
like Joe is calling bulls pretty much, He's like he didn't or just

(01:00:19):
so, I like in that inthat Jesse Michael's interview on three different occasions,
he set himself up to be wrong. He's like, if I fell
for you know, this information,like I guess I messed up, you
know, like you know like he'salready he's already fell for No, he's

(01:00:51):
a total goon ball and like it'slike he's already he's setting the table for
the failure, you know, justlike Ross Coltheart. If you really pay
to know what Ross Coulthard says,he really sets the table for this is
our ship, this is our tech, like you know when he talks about
the tic TAC and and you know, and how it could be ours,

(01:01:13):
Like you know, it's he Theyalways do this. They give you little
truths, why lies. You know, they give you ten lives with one
little truth and you just got tobe able to decipher like what they're really
saying, man, Like you reallygot to pay it and listen to it
over and over. And that's somethinga lot of you know, they'll throw
out one factual, real piece ofinformation and then they pile all their fake

(01:01:36):
nonsense on top of it. Andsomehow to them because they started with the
real facts. Yeah, no,I mean, it's it's almost like you
know, like when we when Iasked the community tafoyah Jeremy Corbell's claim that
Bob Lazar was you know, makinginner. You know, your d government

(01:02:00):
contracts you know government naval contracts withthe Naval Academy, you know that clean
out ball bearings in the hovercraft.And then when you foia that nothing comes
up whatoever. And then you askhim, hey, nothing came up with
any naval contract on any level whatsoever. When it comes to bab Blazaar,

(01:02:20):
United Nuclear or any sort of patentor contract, what's like any on any
level, let alone Naval Academy.He doesn't have any contracts with any part
of the military, and nothing butcrickets. Yeah, and likewise, just
just exactly like that. I thinkit's like a fun thing to do to
fact check some of these clowns.So like, I didn't do this,

(01:02:44):
when a man named David Spachioveccia didit, Italian researcher, and he's sending
me everything. It's so funny.David Wilcox Shady Aerospace Company is posting that
they have all these wind tunnel contractswith like Los Alamos, National Labs and
the Air Force and all these militaryorganizations. And they put it on their

(01:03:06):
website that they had all these windtunnel contracts. So you foy it at
all. They got nothing. Noneof that is real. It just doesn't
and then they silk it off theirwebsite, I think, And just like
Jeremy Corbel, won't won't address that, neither will David Wilcock and David Wilcox
with Shady Aerospace Company, they gotsued for being an investment scam in a

(01:03:31):
Ponzi scheme, and in those courtdocuments they admit that their only income is
a few thousand dollars a month froma garbage company. A duckster company is
renting their airplane hanger and storing dumpstersin there. Like so, there's two
worlds here. There's this alternate reality. Oh, aren't we so cool?

(01:03:51):
We have an aerospace company. We'regonna build other cars. And then you
open up the hangar and the realityis subsult dumpsters. It's the garbage in
there. There's like rotten tomatoes atthe bottom of all these dumpsters. You'll
never get all that garbage juice out. Speaking of scams, I'm curious to

(01:04:13):
get your thoughts because I did abreakdown of the Tom DeLong movie The Monsters
of California. Oh it was wonderful, wasn't that wonderful movie? Oh and
by the way, listen, Iwon't toot my own word. I will
say, I've been in a coupleof indie films, right, and you've

(01:04:34):
been in like real Hollywood films,like big budget stuff. Like, so
if we're gonna dog on his movie, like, we're not just assholes that
don't like no films, we know, I mean one, and I mean
go watch my review. I don'tdog on all aspects of the film.
There are, there are some aspectsof it that I really love. But

(01:04:56):
the one thing that we've in researchingthe film like it was a forty eight
million dollar picture and budget, whichmeans do you see that on the screen
nowhere. Well, here's the thingthat's crazier is, if you know anything
about Hollywood movies, if your moviecosts eighty forty two million dollars to make,

(01:05:20):
you double that for the advertising ofit, So that means it's an
eighty four million dollar movie. Andwhen you put that number on that film,
that's when it oh, it's horrific. Eighty four. I thought it
was got forty two because well,forty two it's lucky. If it's a
fifteen million dollar film, that's likepush. I don't even think it was

(01:05:40):
that much. But yeah, Idon't know I mean, you know,
I I'm big on like practical effectsand doing things like on the cheap,
so because that's the way I've alwayshad to do things. If I do
stuff myself, I would could imaginehaving that kind of budget. But it
didn't look like that kind of abudget, you know. And the actors.
Look, I'll say that the actors, I thought some of them did
a good job with the Ship Rescript. There were three actors in it that

(01:06:04):
I thought were I think going tobe one of which I think is gonna
would shock me became a really bigstar. No, there was some good
young talent on there. But likethe main character had, that was his
first movie first Anything. He donecommercials then and then Anything. I think
he was just a friend of DeLong. And it's also funny too when you
look at the credits of the film. Tom DeLong directed it, which means

(01:06:27):
he got paid as a director.He produced it, which means he gets
paid as a producer. He wrotethe music, and he composed it,
which means he got paid on that. He gets paid on the back end
for the royalties from the royalty playof the movie. Yeah, the selling
of the film to Amazon and iTunesand all of those things, like he
gets a cut of those things.And just to make sure that we're clear,

(01:06:53):
TTSA collected all this money and theywere supposed to build a spaceship and
instead Tom DeLong made this shitty movieand paid it himself out uz every every
way he could. I'm surprised hewasn't like the doing the editing and stuff,
or or like editing consultant or somethingto Well, yeah, here's the

(01:07:14):
thing. I randomly played golf witha guy who was in that movie.
And when they first announced that film, like shortly after they announced TTSA,
they announced that film in the tradesthat they was getting made, and I
played golf with a guy that hadalready shot scenes. So this is a
twenty summer twenty eighteen is somewhere awhile ago. It's a lot which tells

(01:07:42):
me that they first filmed something,scrapped it, and then did reshoots more
expensive And that's probably why the specialeffects sucked so hard, because that was
the weakest point, I thought,the special effection. So like a Californian,
you only had two monsters, Ithink, and they were and they

(01:08:05):
were the shit, really really bad. No way, three monsters they had
a monster at the end, butI was like, it was like a
ghost cgi smoke thing yea. Andeven was pissed off about this movie because
apparently, like Tom take them inthe credits, did they Well, Tom
took all the money from TTSA,decided to make this movie and then that

(01:08:28):
left. I've heard more than Alexandopissed off. That's why yeah left because
they're like, we were supposed todo X, Y and Z with this
money, and now you're making amovie and you know, well, here's
the thing is. I think theylost their ass on this movie big time.
But I think Tom DeLong lost alot of money. And that's why
he directed it. That's why heproduced it, that's why he wrote the
music, because he couldn't afford tohire real director's, real cinematogra producers,

(01:08:55):
because he pissed away all the moneyin a stupid, frivolous way, and
he scrambled and just did it himself. Like I think the thing that really
he shot himself in the foot withwas making the movie rated R, because
if he had made it PG.Thirteen, I think you would have made
it a lot more wide of anaudience to get more views and more clicks.

(01:09:17):
If you appeal to kids, teenagekids, you know, make it
like Stranger Things kind of kind ofvibe. There was so many curse words
in that movie. Even I wouldI was like, yeah, I noticed
that too. Yeah, it's likeI don't I feel like I'm just listening
to the members of Blank One havea conversation about ghosts and goblins the whole

(01:09:39):
movie. That's all I thought about. That's pretty much where it was.
He had a lot of f bombsand stuff that seemed unnecessary or thrown in
or like, yeah, it's kindof weird. I will say this though,
I always like, I will alwaysrespect somebody that like has a vision
or a dream of doing something likethat and go and do it. But
when you collect money from the public, tell him you're gonna build a spaceship,

(01:10:00):
and then you take all the moneyand you go do this, it
would be like me collecting You knowwhat if I collected money or I said
like, oh, for the nextthree months, every every super chance is
going to go to like I'm gonnago do field UFO investigations with that money,
and then I just I just blewit all on an expensive studio time
and made an album out of it, you know, like, I'm sorry

(01:10:24):
I needed the money for that.Like, well, yeah, it's similar
that I would say. It's evenmore extreme, Like it would be like
me, like, you know,starting a GoFundMe because I have cancer or
it's pretty much. You know,I collect all this money and then you
know, four months later, I'mlike, man, I got cure to

(01:10:44):
cancer. Thank you guys so much. Really had cancer. I just pocketed
the money and bought it. Thepeople who have done that, you know
that one guy, Ufo Proof,he worked for third phase of movie.
He faked brain cancer and then thewhole community, I thought, to a
bunch of them, the whole communitywhere he lived, they had this big
event and then all these businesses gavegift certificates, liked certificate to a restaurant

(01:11:13):
and stuff. So not only didhe fake cancer and he kept thousands of
dollars, they gave it for hiscancer treatment. He stole gift certificates from
his own because they were dummy cards. They caught him because they were dummy
cards. They didn't have any moneyon the cards. Yeah, people have
done that stuff. It's I know, it's wild that's wild man. But

(01:11:34):
you know, like that's uh yeah, those are these these are the people
we're calling out. And yet wherethe back? Yeah? Did You're getting
enough of that? Yet? Whatdoes it feel like to go to that
level of villainy after being sort ofcelebrated because I didn't get to celebrate it
part, I went right to thevillain But I skip that part. I

(01:11:59):
you know, nowadays, I've gottena lot more comfortable with it. I'm
really there's a lot of things goingon behind the scenes, and I can't
tell anybody about that. I amtaking this very unfortunate situation and turning it

(01:12:20):
into a super positive, constructive thing. Like if people really paid, if
real people really paid attention to howmuch work and effort I put into something
like the Big Phone Home, imaginewhat I would do with a major motion

(01:12:40):
picture. Yeah, that would beawesome. I would like to see that,
actually, you know, yeah,I think And it's good to funnel
that kind of stuff into something insteadof just because it can eat it can
get negative on you real quick,you know, for sure, for sure.
Yeah, it's it's you know,I'm just happy that I you know,

(01:13:02):
like, you know, at thetime, it was really hard.
It was really rough. It wasit sucked. It just sucked. But
now literally a year later, it'sbeen a year since all this ship has
gone down, and that seems longerthan that. I know, me too,
but it's been a long year.Man, it's been a long year.

(01:13:24):
So yeah, it's you know,it's finally coming around. It's I
feel like people are finally starting toreally understand what happened and what went down,
and they see how people like thatUFO podcast and Andy mcgrillan and in
particular Dancestrom Dance Zetterstrom in particular howhe docks rather. I think that showed

(01:13:48):
people a really ugly side to thoseguys. Absolutely, I think, you
know, the unfortunately thought of thelot of the people just ignore that kind
of stuff because they need that,they need that disclosure bone or so bad
that they're going to ignore whatever.You know. It's like the same thing

(01:14:09):
as like people that constantly listen toLinnimal Haw or some of these people are
like, how can you do this? Should caught selling fake shit all the
time? Oh you know, ohat least she's trying, Or they make
excuses. A lot of people Isaw make excuses for what happened there,
and I was like, there,there is no excuse for this. There's
no excuse for this none, youknow, none, there is no excuse.

(01:14:30):
You're absolutely right, man. It'slike truth. If you're telling the
truth, you should be afraid ofnothing of nothing. Yeah, it should
stand up to everything, any scrutiny, any any uh, you know,
sort of criticisms. It should beable to stand up. Like the fact
that a Stanford professor has named mean enemy is insane, Like that that

(01:14:57):
a Stanford professor can't say it downwith me and intellectually make me look like
an idiot. I welcome you tocome on this show and make me if
I'm so we're talking about that,you know, I've tried him several times,
like if we're I mean when hecalls me out by name, you
know, like and like how I'mthis destructive person in the community. It's

(01:15:19):
like, dude, you block everyonethat simply asks you questions, you know,
or or sometimes they don't even getto interact with you. You just
see them ask us another person aquestion that you don't like, and you're
in the connections to the people aroundyou are really just questionable. There's a
lot of red flags around you.Buddy, Yeah, you know, but

(01:15:41):
it's it's just funny, man,Like, you know, how how they
can't They can't intellectually I argue theirpoint to an actor from Hollywood. Yeah,
it's so stupid. I send him. I sent him a respectful email
asking him how him profiting from usingthe Stanford University labs and equipment in UFO

(01:16:06):
documentaries he's paid to be in isnot a violation of their ethics code because
somebody he must have, like studentsor something that doesn't like him. Because
somebody randomly sent me to Stanford Universityethics code and they asked me, can
you ask why is he allowed todo this? And then I said a
message back, like what do youmean? And then I read the ethics

(01:16:28):
He's not allowed to personally profit fromthe use of university labs, equipment or
personnel. So I sent him amessage asking him how this is okay with
you know, aren't you violating theethics code? And he says, the
multiple premises you make throughout even thesequestions below are so faulty that they merit
no answer. I wish you thebest in your endeavors. From here,

(01:16:49):
you will get no more replies fromme, and then oh no, there
was another one. Oh I'm sorry, I bort that one. There's another
one where he says, uh.He says, mister Cambian, I don't
understand why you think and in yourunnecessarily aggressive stance, that I should help

(01:17:12):
you foment more conspiracy theories around me. I do wish you the best in
your endeavors. No, he doesn'the And why can't he just answer the
question is it an ethics violation whatyou're doing? We're not, you know
right, it's a simple no,it's not. And I don't owe you
an explanation why, you know,like who are you Like I would take

(01:17:32):
that, you know, yeah,no, I would take that. And
we said, yes, no it'snot, it's not, and I'm not
going to explain it to you oreven like, no, it's not and
here's why, or well, becausemy premise really is that he basically rents
his perceived credibility to UFO hocksters tohelp them sell their shit. So like

(01:17:54):
if you're if you've got a UFOproject and you want like labs, hey,
come and film it at stay effort, you know, and then they
pay him for that, but he'snot. I think he's not supposed to
do that. But I can't getany answers out of him. And I
was going to follow up with theschool, but I just thought, you
know, like, what are theyThey're going to defend him. He's a

(01:18:15):
tenured professor. They're not going towant to admit that he's renting the school
credibility to a bunch of UFO griftersbecause he's done it multiple times. The
balls, remember the balls? Howlong has it been since that we're supposed
to get the ball shavings analysis?Yeah? Well, and then and then
he gets angry when people ask him, Hey, where are the ball shavings?

(01:18:38):
You know, he gets so angry, he gets so angry at us.
I still want that clip that CosmicI think Cosmic Judas did that where
they made them like the Joker andhe's just bitching. You know, I'm
not your daddy. I'm not hereto do things for you. You're the
one that said you you had conclusiveproof of alien technology. We just want

(01:19:00):
to see it, mister science.There are so many ideas that we have
brewing behind the scenes. And thenI think it's funny that this guy is
an immunologist, So like, that'snot how science. Like I don't know.
I only know computer science and Iworked in Drexel Robotics lab. But
one thing I know is like,if we needed an analysis of a metal

(01:19:24):
part or something, we wouldn't goto immunology. We would go to a
metalurgist or you know, somebody qualified. He's gonna tell us that this is
alien metals somehow. Yeah. Ilove how immunologists is talking to us about
different cortexas in the brain and schizophreniaand all of these other things. Yeah.

(01:19:48):
Wait, dude, just stick tocuring cancer, you know, Like
that's what you're good at. Like, I don't know why you're fraying off
into all of these other things andthen calling people like me enemy, Like
dude, you're a Stanford professor,man, Like, could you imagine could
you imagine that, Like Neil degrasse Tyson if you send him an email

(01:20:10):
a few times to probably take threeor four times to get it through to
him or whatever, but if youhappen to have his direct email and you
asked him a question about something thathe had said on the internet, could
you imagine like deciding you're the enemyor you know, tweeting, like tweeting
about it. You know what I'msaying, like telling his entire following that

(01:20:30):
a fervent maniacs. This guy isthe enemy. Like that's dangerous, dude.
Like you're again like you're the Stanfordprofessor. It's not like I'm attacking
his family. I'm attacking his sexualorientation or his looks, or his you
know, religious beliefs. I'm justI'm just questioning his bullshit, you know,

(01:20:56):
Like that's it. You shouldn't beable to get I should be able
to do that and be able todo that. Guy, Like I'm not
the end of me. Gary Nolan, get a grip. You're this Stanford
professor, Like I just keep goingback to that, like this is Stanford,
man. I know That's what Ithought about, Like especially like if

(01:21:18):
somebody, if somebody was based.I basically accused him of ethics violations in
my email, you know, andI gave him the clips with the time
stamps that showed the Stanford labs andthen I screenshot it where it says that
you can't use university labs or equipmentfor personal profit. And I sent him
that like you know, and Isaid, I just want to give you

(01:21:38):
an opportunity to tell your sided storybefore I go, before I run this
story, and I gave him ayou know, no, you're you're starting
conspiracy theories like I would think,especially when it comes to ethics, you
could answer yes or no question likeare you are you violating these ethic No,
you can't do it. Yeah,Well when the answer is anything else

(01:21:59):
side of no. And that's whyyou know, we we had a hard
time for a long time asking louthe sock puppet question because anything outside of
no problem, if anything comes beforeit, like, uh, well that's
an interesting question. Let me explainif you hear any ship like that before.

(01:22:21):
No, there's a problem. There'sa problem, and the block door
he blocks everybody the question. That'syou know what I always say, like
if your position is so pissed,poor and weak that it cannot withstand any

(01:22:41):
question in debate, especially everything,you know, like a failed actor,
like you can't like you can't answermy questions. Yeah, I love when
they call you a failed actor.I'm like, bitch, have you seen
his IMDb? Because mine is likea that's connected mess, Like I don't
know how, but somehow every projectI was in couldn't get it on the

(01:23:03):
same page, so different. Yeah, I problem, man, But if
you look at yours and it goeslike he's been in Hollywood big budget movies,
that's not a feel that, Ohhe didn't have a huge part.
Then then they come back with thator something like bitch, how many small
parts have you had? Multipillar films? How many weeks did you work with

(01:23:29):
Tom Innks? None? None?Yeah, exactly. It's wild, dude.
That's why I don't give a shiplike trust me when I tell you
I I believe. I'm going tohave the last laugh on that later.
I'm gonna try this. Lew andStephen could host a weekly UFO show and
intend to believe and people would throwcash at them. Yeap, we could.

(01:23:51):
Yeah, well you're to do Iwant to do a show. I
keep looking for ways to like ethicallycover some things, like sometimes people send
me ufon videos, but then Igo, dude, this is so grainy
and shitty, like what am Isupposed to do? Then they get mad
at me. They're like, youyou say that you can analyze this,
and I go, what am Isupposed to analyze? There's like eighteen pixels

(01:24:14):
in this video like yeah right,or if you or or if you say,
hey, all right, fine sendme them made a date on it.
Yeah, And they're like like that'sall you got to do to get
them to go away. Just belike okay, cool, Yeah, do
me a favor. Send me theoriginal source and I'll take a look at
it. I'll run it through myprograms and try to get an answer for

(01:24:34):
you. But I don't promise younothing. That's basically what I do.
Or and then one time I answershow up with shit. I asked for
GPS coordinates because I thought that itwas some kind of light off in the
distance, like a radio tower orsomething. And I said, give me
the GPS coordinates in general, justgenerally where you did this, because I
wanted to look on the map andsee if I saw Cell town. No,

(01:24:56):
can't do that. I can't.I'm not getting the location. Well
find me you know later. Youknow I can't, Man, I can't
help you. Yeah. Have youheard anything about this louel Is on the
book? Is that ever coming outor is that just the rumors I've heard
and could be wrong. I mean, he did make some sort of cryptic

(01:25:18):
announcement the other day about next year, So maybe that's his book. But
I have heard behind the scenes thatthe publishing company has caught up to the
game, so to speak, andI think they've at least delayed right now.

(01:25:38):
If not, Yeah, well,imagine if you're a publisher and you
were sold on this book because heran a twenty two million dollars Pentagon UFO
program, and then you find out, oh, he didn't run that pass,
So who cares what? You know, Like, the only reason that
him selling a book works is becauseof that, And if you pull that
deception away from him, then it'sjust some slob that was you know,

(01:26:01):
do you know what he really did? He looked at he looked at real
estate, look at it. Shit, he didn't do anything. And you
know what he really did, LikeI talked to somebody that worked with him,
Like if a government office was wasgetting too crowded, he would go

(01:26:21):
and look at real estate and thenapprove or not approve of, like purchasing
or leasing that office space to expanddifferent departments or start a new department they
need office space. That's what hereally did for the time, Like he
was like, that's the first timeI've heard of that that's estate. That's

(01:26:43):
what he was basically doing most ofthe day. So I guess once in
a while he would sit there.And you know, any office job,
I got a lot of them.They're all boring and you look for things
to kill. The time I hadone job, I swear to god I
could do it in one hour aday. It was like, yeah,
work job, all right, didthe backup, and it's only nine o'clock

(01:27:03):
and I got to sit here tillfive, like, and so I would.
I played video games and I hada switcher, like when somebody came
in, I could just skip onebutton. And quite like, imagine how
bored he was sitting at their pentagon. So I'm sure and sweet that he
got his disclosure boner and then hestarted looking stuff up, right, Well,

(01:27:23):
I'm sure. Well, I thinkhe just also had buddies, Like
I think he was just buddies withhow put Off and Eric Davis and Christopher
Mellan, and they would talk aboutthis shit and they would you know,
you know, I think some oneof those guys got in his ear,
for sure and and started talking himabout it. And then maybe that you
know, who knows, maybe thatsnowballed into some ideas for him and how

(01:27:45):
he could he could take advantage ofthis situation, you know, because yeah,
like, yeah, I'm kind ofsurprised. He's definitely up to no
good. He's been away for awhile though. I think that like he's
not like work in the UFO circuitconferences or doing anything, so, uh,

(01:28:06):
he must have some kind of theday job or something else going on,
because you know, the full timegrifters, they're going to grift like
they they're going to be at theconferences, they're going to be doing online
events for fifty dollars, and hehasn't done that. You know. Well,
he he did go to Europe recently, and what I found funny was,

(01:28:31):
you know, he he he alwayslike talked about how he had to
hide the the images of his familybecause he was on an isis hit list,
and then he goes to Europe andall of a sudden, he's,
you know, has pictures of hisdaughter and her husband and his wife,
and you know, it's like Noah. And by the way, in Europe,
the Muslim population is high and wayway higher like double or triple.

(01:28:56):
Yeah, the population being there area lot higher than they are in the
unit Especia, especially now it's it'sgoing to pop off and get crazy soon.
I think, yeah, I'm tryingnot to watch the news. It
gives me an anxiety attacks. Andthen I started watching you know what I
do, I prep I go allright, well we're gonna load that Apocalypse

(01:29:17):
cab it up because shop off.You know, yeah, have you have
you given any thought to like,uh, you used to where you were
gonna like be doing a lot morereviews, but it seems to me like
you're focusing you are focusing on sortof UFO topic shows now Yeah, yeah,

(01:29:39):
I I yeah, man, Ijust kind of you know what it
was. It's just I felt reallyguilty, you know, reviewing games and
films and stuff because it's it's difficultto just start the channel over with that
stuff. All of the regulars arelike, man, we want, we
want you to talk about UFOs.When I'm talking about UFOs, I was

(01:30:01):
like, you know, I foughtit for a little bit, but you
know, I also just felt guilty, like sitting there playing video games for
three hours when I could be writing, I could be acting, I could
be Yeah. No, I knowexactly how you feel, you know exactly
how I felt really guilty with that. I was just like, I don't
want to get stuck playing video gamesfor eight hours a day, like they

(01:30:23):
can suck you in, right.It's just like though, it's like this
alternate reality and reality sucks. Solike, right, I haven't played games
in years since like Xbox three sixtyand then I got my son in a
PlayStation and and uh I got Igot sucked into that Star Wars game and
I I couldn't stop until I gotto the end, and like, yeah,

(01:30:45):
yeah, I got ship to do. I ain't got eight hours for
this ship today. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's they they they get
suck you in there, man.So yeah, it's you know, that's
kind of why I think I stoppeddoing that kind of stuff and just kind
of like, you know, I'mstill paying attention to the community. I
still you know, I bookmark allthe things that I want to talk about.

(01:31:06):
You know. I just try todo a sort of like weekly review
show almost a little bit. SometimesI'll do two shows in a week,
depending on if something funny happens oryou know, some big news. Yah,
I'm in the same boat sometimes,just like hard to wait, just
waiting for the big story. Andthen I go, oh, there's nothing
going on, so yeah, we'lldo something else tonight. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:31:30):
so that swerve tax too, atleast that's what I call it.
Like everybody is coming to you orme for UFO and conspiracy land stuff,
and when you go off into anothertopic, a lot of the audience will
indulge you because people are here tosee you. A lot of people are
just here to see you. Theydon't care what you're talking about. But
a lot of people they don't wantThey're like, oh, this is a

(01:31:51):
UFOs Yeah yess yeah, like athird or a half of the views that
you would usually do. You know. Well, also just like I'm having
fun with it again, you know, which is cool, you know,
like I get to have fun withit again. I still get to be
passionate about it and it's not asstressful as it was a year ago.

(01:32:13):
And like I said, a lotof a lot of people are coming around,
you know, like there's I feellike they're like, we do have
I think we do have a lotof people's attention, and I think we
do help a lot of people crossthat rubicon to ask questions yeah yeah,

(01:32:34):
you know, and and actually seethem do it, you know, actually
put their money where their mouth is. I think it's also helpful, you
know, being as genuine as youcan. And I think, you know,
I think if there's one thing weboth do very well is I don't
think we're presenting any fake versions ofourselves. You know. We we are

(01:32:56):
who kind of see No, that'sa good thing. I think people respond
to that, correspond Yeah, Ithink so, you know, And and
that's the thing with this, youlike, it was so funny, you
know, and when I look atthat that declassify U A P. And
the bragging of building Ryan Sprague's channelor website, you know, like the

(01:33:17):
other night he was talking to DianaPasca and they were literally just talking warning
themselves about themselves, you know,like was like, you know, uh,
you know, they're gonna approach you, They're gonna offer you things,
and here you go, you've gotdeclassify UAP, building your website like you're

(01:33:41):
you're on the debrief, You're you'redoing television shows, like everybody's pumping up
your bullshit, like you're like everythingthat Diana Pisulka said that that she warned
you about, you are literally doing. And it's the same thing with Diana
Pasca her weares the cell as well, you know, and it's always getting

(01:34:01):
booked in. Now she's getting bookedin that Encounters series, and that's all
right because it's people don't know this. There's a lot of money in that
series. It's Steven Spielberg, it'sit's Netflix plays a lot. Well,
at least they used to. We'llsee what happens after the strike with sag
ends, but there there's been ahuge freeze on spending, at least as

(01:34:27):
frivolous spending like they were before.But Netflix will used to pay big,
big bucks just to develop ideas fromreally smart people like Spielberg. So yeah,
that's probably a smart way to go. Just use him and then get
you buy as many ips as youcan. You make the ones that intrigue

(01:34:49):
you the most, and see whatsticks, see what's popular. And I
think it's a formula that works prettywell. But you know, they do
lose a lot of money. Butyeah, I man, I think that
she It's just funny though, becausein that documentary, you know, the
witness of the aerial school said hewas like, yeah, man, I

(01:35:10):
made it up. I was oneof the oldest kids on the school yard,
and I made up the whole thing. So like that whole series,
as proud as she is about it, kind of shoots a hole right in
the middle of you know, themost popular UFO sighting in all of history.
Well, at least they let thatin. Oh, you know,
I was going to ask you aboutthe strike because I wanted to answer your

(01:35:30):
opinion, because you know, Icome from like a union family, where
like if you cross a picket line, like you're a piece of shit.
Like my family, like it's mymy family all works for the bus company
in Philadelphia, like a lot ofmy family, brother, my father,
everybody but me got there. Butuh that nobody would cross a picket line

(01:35:54):
or or especially higher scabs or okay, but like we've seen some so celebrities
that have shows, I think DrewBarrymore, Bill Maher and a few others
just say I can't not work anymore. Sorry, but not sorry, I'm
gonna return to production. Like you'realso a show host, So I was
curious what your opinion of that situationis. Like I myself wouldn't do it

(01:36:18):
just because I would say I wantto support those people and not yeah take
but well, self promoted like podcastsand shows like this, you know that's
not part of the union, Likethose are those are things that have never
fell into the union. So,like, I could still do a commercial
right now if I wanted to,because commercial is a different form. It

(01:36:43):
doesn't count as the like it's commercialsand films are completely different. So I
could do a commercial, but Ican't do a film right now because that
would be considered crossing the pig andline. You could do late night talk
show hosts, You could do latenight talk shows. You can do variety
shows like Saturday Night Live or Dancingwith the Stars, but you can't do

(01:37:05):
anything scripted. So I think theway that Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher getting
away with it is that now theycan hire writers. Now they have writers,
and so they can write the segments, but the interviews themselves are they're
not scripted for the actor or whoeverthey're interviewing. So that's I think how

(01:37:25):
they're getting away with it. Butthe thing that pissed people off is that
Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher were goingto do their shows without the writers.
Lucky for them, the writers strikelike ended almost a few days after they
literally started crossing the pig and line. Drew Barrymore is an actor. Bill

(01:37:45):
Maher is a SAG actor, sothat's why it was fucked up. But
their excuse was, well, youknow, there's catering companies, there's scripts,
there's there's directors, there's producers.All of these people need to go
back to work. All of thesepeople are are struggling to make ends meet
because of these strikes. You know, it's it doesn't just affect writers other

(01:38:06):
people's pocket Yes, but that wasjust that. Yeah, it was about
you know, like that was okay, it was about their own dollar.
And it's so stupid because both ofthem are insanely rich, insanely rich,
you know, like I would beshocked if Drew Barrymore makes close to seventy
five eighty thousand dollars per episode.Yeah, and her show's kind of cringe.

(01:38:30):
I don't know. I watched itone time to talk. Yeah,
it sucks. It sucks like it'sRicky Lake just with Drew Barrymore. You
know what I did see? Isaw Bill Mark. I guess he's doing
some kind of like podcasts now.Yeah, yeah, well that's what he
was doing. Yeah, like thatI prefer to the other stuff that he
did because it was just conversations withcool people that was fun. But this

(01:38:55):
other shit he doesn't like I couldtake that. Yeah, yeah, well
he's not. I mean, he'sjust not a good writer anymore. He's
I don't find him very funny muchanymore. I've listened to his podcast,
and I think if anything, itshows sort of who he really is,
kind of a he's got a lotof double standards. He's a weird like

(01:39:15):
he's such a weird dude. Likehe's such an asshole. Like he doesn't
have any family, he's not adad, he doesn't have a very sympathetic
or you know, view of theworld, Like he's very cynical. He's
he's got no religion. He's justan asshole. He's just a real like
obnoxious elitist. And I think that'swhat it bothers me the most about him,

(01:39:41):
you know. So, like whenhe crossed the picket line, I
was like, nobody was shocked inthis neighborhood, in this town, Like
everybody's like, yep, that's BillMaher, just being fucking Bill Maher,
just being a dickhead. And that'swhy writers don't like working for him.
That's why nobody likes working on hisshow. He's a dick, Like he's
not fun baseball, He's not funto work for. There's a couple of

(01:40:02):
guys intil like James Gordon was oneof them, but he thankfully he quit.
There was you know, there's likeI do about Harvey Weinstein years before
all that shit came out, LikeI'd been hearing stuff about him for years.
Yeah, dude, like there's somany people. Yeah, and you
know, the that concept of thethat was that was kind of shocking to

(01:40:26):
me because that concept of like thecasting couch. You know, you hear
about that, but like I thoughtwe were past that and over that.
I thought so too for for along time. I know he got away
with that. He had in hiscontract like if you get this many sexual
harassments, right, yeah, youget fined this much. If you get
this many, you get fined more. Like they knew it was written into

(01:40:49):
his contract. No, it's itwas. It was absolutely batshit crazy.
No, it was like I wouldhear the stories, but I would be
like, man, there's no way, man, Like, why why would
he have Like he's so rich,so powerful, like and he had a
hot wife to begin with. ButI guess, oh my god, what
were beautiful? No, and that, And that was the sickest part is

(01:41:09):
you hear the recordings of him,and he would use his wife and family.
He'd be like, I swear mywife and kids, I'm not going
to touch you. Just sit nextto me for fuck's sake, please,
you know, And then as soonas they sat down, he would just
start assaulting them like he was asick o dude. Yeah, I was.
I had a friend that made inthe films, and he made it
a point that he had another femaleand somebody else with him. He never

(01:41:30):
would meet with a potential actress byhimself, because just to make the girl
comfortable too, like yeah, you'relike, oh, meet me in my
hotel room. That's kind of that'skind of like I could tell you.
When I was in New York City, I was working at the Soho Grand
Hotel and the Soho Grand Hotel.There's a Soho Grand and then there's the

(01:41:54):
Tribeca Grand. The Tribeca Grant iswhere they do the Tribeca Film Festival.
It's got a theater in there,and it's a hotel as well. And
right across the street is the SohoGrand Hotel. And every year, because
every year it's at Tribeca, therewas a Harvey Weinstein Merrimax film and this

(01:42:16):
was early two thousands. This wastwo thousand and four, two thousand and
five, two thousand and six,and even at in two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, hotel rooms, small, tiny, fucking tiny
hotel rooms were six hundred bucks anight. In two thousand and six,

(01:42:38):
we had two pethouses in that hotel. That's crazy because you remember I worked
at a I worked at Manhattan ArtsCenter a bunch of times at doing live
shows, and we never got ahotel. We just drove back because we're
in Philadelphia. So it's just itsaw that I wanted to though when we

(01:42:59):
first got those gigs. Yeah,oh this would be cool. We'll spend
the night in the nice time,Yeah, on the hotel then yeah,
yeah, well for the nice boutiquehotels. I mean there you can get
cheap hotels if you look in theright places, but this particular hotel was
a boutique very she she very,you know, like celebrities came to this

(01:43:21):
hotel and I was working room service. Harvey Weinstein. We had two penthouses
at the Soho Grand, so theywould do the film festival Tribeca, then
they would stay at Soho. Andso the hotel I believe, if I'm
not mistaken, had fifteen floors,and then the sixteenth floor was the two

(01:43:43):
pet houses. Harvey Weinstein would rentboth penthouses, and then he would rent
out every single room on the fifteenthfloor. Oh wow, So he was
putting an entire lore of rooms betweenhim and his penthouse so he can invite

(01:44:05):
people up there or do just absolutebad shit, crazy things. Yeah,
he was a maniac dude. Hewas an absolute maniactor. And everybody was
always like, why does he dothat? Why is he buying out the
top floor and the penthouses. Like, it's not like he's buying out those

(01:44:25):
rooms for his assistants or you know, family members that are coming to the
Tribeca Film Festival or stars that arein the film. He's just they're empty
rooms. They're completely empty. Soyou know, then you flash forward to
twenties, you know, sixteen orwhatever, you know, when all of
these sexual allegations come away, You'relike, oh, okay, now it

(01:44:46):
makes sense why he rents it outan entire four rooms because he was being
an absolute cree creeps there, youknow. So yeah, yeah, I
mean I'm sure, I'm sure someof that stuff happens, but like I
didn't think like on that level.Well, you know, because you get
to that level, you got apowerful millions of dollars per film. You

(01:45:11):
know, it's really powerful men takingadvantage of really powerful women sometimes, you
know, just because they're they're sopower. There's so much money and there's
so much power in some of thesesituations. Yeah, he could make or
break their career, you know,anytime, especially in two thousand and four,
you know, when he's coming offthe curttails of you know, and

(01:45:32):
Glorious Bastards and pulp Fiction and youknow, all of these monster films that
he was responsible for making and launchingQuentin Tarantino's career basically. Yeah, I
uh, it's interesting too that likethat how far the mighty fall though,
because now the guy's in jail,Like it's amazing to me that that even

(01:45:56):
happened, because I thought he hadtoo much money and he would get over
it, you know. Yeah,I think he was at the wrong place
at the wrong time, you know. I think if he was ten years
earlier, he might have gotten awaywith it. And maybe yeah, right
in the middle of me too.So women started coming out. Yeah,
so many different accusers, you know, and his was also just really bad.

(01:46:18):
It was just really bad, reallybad. Does that teach you like
a sort of a lesson? LikeI being a performer, I had a
rule that I was at a stageperformer. I had a rule that I
was never to be alone with anywoman that was not my wife, and
the people at the show kind ofknew, like, you know, yeah,

(01:46:40):
I mean, I'll be honest,I I just was extremely careful.
I don't want to give anybody reasonto make accusations or whatever. Well,
I've I've never been on a setwhere it's just two people alone, you

(01:47:00):
know, like if I'm hanging outon set, it's like at a cast
table or at the crafty table,you know, like getting lunch or something,
or I guess I'm talking about ifI'm not there, I'm in my
trailer by myself with the door closed. Okay, well that makes sense.
But see I'm talking about like greenrooms sometimes people just come in or come
in and out, and you know, yeah, I was a little that's

(01:47:26):
a you know, I guess that'sthe real thing to be concerned. I
I've yeah, I've never I've neverfelt and I've never been in a situation
where I've felt something like that wouldhappen. I mean, you know,
we have like I I have everymonth we do a show, you know,
and so we rehearse and sometimes werehearse at each other's houses and stuff,

(01:47:48):
and it's just two actors, youknow, rehearsing lines and stuff.
So you know, yeah, Imean there's moments like that, but but
I've never I've never once got aninkling, you know, and it's just
you know, yeah, I I'venever come across someone who behaves like that,
and I don't behave like that.So therefore, no, I figured,

(01:48:11):
Yeah, I wondered if it makesyou a little more cautious and a
little more because I was. Iwas always concerned with appearances, like I
didn't want anybody to even give themthe opportunity to show said something. Yeah,
whatever, if I'm on a kidsshow, I will make sure that
there's always other adults around. Idid the same thing, that you'd be
surprised, Yeah, that I'd besurprised, and magic shows that they would

(01:48:35):
go like you'd show up at somerich person's house and they go the kids
are in the living room and allthe all the adults are somewhere else outside
or something having drinks, and I'mlike, no, no, somebody's coming
in, and you got to yougotta be here with me while I do
this, you know. Yeah,I think on a kids show, I
always try to stay in the mostcrowded areas as I can. This is

(01:48:58):
the world that we know got Imean, yeah, dude, I would
be very careful get it away fromme. Yeah, if I had kids,
I would you know, if Ihad a kid out here, I
would definitely consider putting them into theinto the biz. But man, yeah,
I'd keep an eye. There wouldnever be a moment in their day
where they wouldn't have a family memberaround them. It's it's bad. It's

(01:49:21):
really bad out here with with someof that stuff. Yeah, man,
I've worked on There was this oneguy on Nickelodeon, this one director.
I did a couple of Nickelodeon shows. He loved me like he loved me.
Turned out he was an absolute predator. Yeah, he was like that
chubby white director. I can't rememberhis name right now, But yeah,

(01:49:44):
there was a lot of stories shows. He was an absolute monster, right
he had. Yeah, he wasthe biggest Nickelodeon director out there, like
he was. He did all theshows, he created and wrote and and
he was like he was like theMartin scor Sessi of kids television. Like

(01:50:11):
he was like he was a bigtime So it was good to be like
liked by him, you know,like show up. Like if you showed
up and did your lines and youmade him laugh like you you know,
you were probably gonna get more work. But yeah, that guy's never gonna
I'm never going a job again.Hear from that, you know. So
it's weird show your feet, that'swhat you should like, being in that

(01:50:36):
position and lilling everything because you weretelling young girls like you're you're gonna fucking
flip. But the Nickelooney episode Idid was Henry Danger, and I played
I played a nail salon tech whowho was actually doing a pedicure on one
of the kids. So that's soit's so funny that you say that,

(01:51:02):
ohly shit, apparently the twitch streamdied and I don't know why, so
this is what happens. Yeah,and while dissension saying some things in the
chat. I told you twice justemail me. I had somebody else had
some issues, so just email meand I'll fix that for you. Yeah,
so you got some secret plans thatyou can't talk. I was going

(01:51:25):
to ask you, what are yourplans for the next year, because it's
that time of year. I knowabout you, but at this time of
the year, I'm always like takingstock and what do I'm going to accomplish
next year? Yeah, I thinkthat's for sure. Yeah, I'm working
on some really cool stuff. Icannot talk about it at all, but
I'm really excited about it, likeinsanely excited about it. If if if

(01:51:47):
the next two weeks goes as goodas I hope, maybe you know you
guys might hear something, we'll see. But yeah, we've got I got
something really good cooking, really reallyreally good cooking. So yeah, well,
you know, stay tuned soon soon. All right. Well, I

(01:52:12):
hope you'll come back again soon orI owe you one. So if you
if you want to me to comeon your show one day when you're doing
something, I'd be happy to dothat. Yeah. We have to keep
laughing at this stuff because one ofthe things is once you peel back these
layers of deception, I think humoris a great way to deal because this
is ridiculous. It is ridiculous.It's just so ridiculous so far it's it's

(01:52:38):
so funny and it rights itself andif you just step back, there's so
much content to be made out ofthis stuff in a really fun, unique
way, and there's more than oneway to do it. And it's yeah,
I mean, I'm really excited,really really excited for the next year.

(01:53:00):
I haven't been this excited about anythingand all, like since you know,
the big phone omens, since Iwas doing stuff that meant a lot
to me, you know. So, no, it's good and I'm glad that

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