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Good morning fellas. Gordon, sir, go you guys see the moon out
there on the way in? Wasit out there? It just it just
looked absolutely gorgeous and driving east,if you're driving east and you just see
the sun coming up, it's justa great, great view. Did you

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guys go out and were you guysable to see the northern lights at all
when it came through like a weekago? Neither was I. I was.
I was really sad, in fact, because I was on a flight
back from Portland and I was Itwas obviously from Portland to Omaha, and
I was on the left side ofthe plane in the window seat, so
flying home, I feel bad.I feel like I could have looked out
the window up there and seen whatyou did, so I didn't. Yeah,

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exactly, I just didn't see itanything. Yeah, exactly. I
landed in this all of the textslike, oh my goodness, where were
you guys A couple nights ago whenthat seventy mile an hour storm came through.
I was in Dundee and uh Islipt through it. Yeah, I
was, uh in radio coverage frommy couch as we had Terry Lahy and

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Lucy Chapman here in the studio.I'm between about two and three thirty in
the morning, and I joined theircoverage. Are you serious, you guys.
I didn't even I didn't even knowyou guys were on the air.
Oh yeah, you know. Andthere's a chance that will all convene again
overnight tonight. Seriously. Yeah,Well, if we have potentially dangerous storms,
we had tornado warnings popping up aroundtown, we don't, you know,

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assemble like it. Yeah, wedon't assemble and say, hey everyone,
it's raining outside. But if there'sdanger, when it comes to tornado
warning or strong winds or hail orsomething like that, then there's usually one
or usually a team of us onthe air to cover. I will.
I woke up my house face west, and I'm up on the hill where

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you have the Elkhorn River valley belowme, and I actually thought a branch
or or something was gonna come throughmy window. The way the trees were
bending. I couldn't believe it.Yeah. No, Several times throughout this
past last week it's been just crazybursts of wind and thunderous rain. But

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then I can remember if it wasMonday or Tuesday, it was mid morning
when this had when it hit andthen it just stopped. But then,
like you said again, a coupleof days later, unbelievable. Yeah,
in the middle of the night.So we got more of that to look
forward to. All right, guys, it's gonna be Memorial Day on Monday.

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Do you guys have any rituals onMemorial Day? Uh? No,
No rituals. I don't mean burningcandles. Okay, okay, chanting Gregorian
Chance, I'm talking about you.Do you go to the cemeteries? Do
you do you take the time togo to decorated to see the tombstones and
Decoration Day? No? Actually,I have not made that a habit of

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I'm doing that, but maybe maybethat's something I'll start incorporating. If you
want to start a family, I'llbe by you the family that I would
visit. That would makes sense forMemorial Day. We're talking about a couple
of hours away. And I domake a point when I'm out that direction
in central Nebraska to go by andsay hi. And but on Memorial Day,

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no, I fly the flag,usually the only one on my block
to do so. And this yearwe'll be getting together for a cookout.
My son's got a basketball thing onMonday evening, and he keeps saying we
can. He said, he said, yeah, we got basketball thing from
five to six thirty on Monday.I said, no, you donus Memorial
Day. Check with the coach.Yeah, we're gonna do that, like

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okay, but you know, picnic, dinnertime, grill out time on Memorial
Day, why not. You know, that's just the life that I have
willingly run headlong into right now.So we're gonna do that. Then we'll
grill some burdens. I tell myselfthat I don't want to go out at
the Memorial Day and be around andall these crowds and park three blocks away

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to get into the cemetery and allthat, But then throughout the year I
hardly I mean, I don't goeither. So I give myself an excuse
not to do it on Memorial Day, and then I don't do it throughout
the year. It's more like yourNew Year's resolution, is what you're saying.
I don't know, yeah, yeah, just like you don't like crowds.
I mean, I know I knowthat my dad and my grandparents they

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aren't there. You know, there'sa marker where they were buried, but
they're not there, so I don'tknow. I just well, as long
as you don't forget, you know, I don't get a chance to visit
my grandfather's grave all that often becauseit's a couple of hours away, it's
off the beaten path. Yeah,going to make a special trip to get

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out there. But throughout the year, especially anytime I play golf with my
dad, there's a ballmark from thegolf course where my grandpa loved to play,
and I always put that ballmark inmy pocket when we're playing. It's
all right, come on, Grandpa, we're all playing golf again. And
so this happens multiple times throughout theyear. I think about him and his

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service to our country constantly, evenif I don't go visit, you know,
and stand above where you know he'she is at the cemetery. So
as long as you don't forget,visiting the graves is a very nice thing.
Though. It just feels so beautifullypatriotic to be out there and you
got people convening, and you seethe colors and you see the little flags

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in the ground. I think it'sa beautiful thing. Well, it's kind
of a it's kind of a recheckon life too, because it makes you
think about everybody's got an expiration date. We're on this planet for just a
defying period of time and then boomwe're gone. We got a legacy that
carries on after us, but they'vegot an expiration date and boom they're gone.

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And so it really it really makesyou ponder, is this all there
is? Exactly? Know what's next? Oh exactly? And you can definitely
see that reflected in the culture today. I think when you look around,
people are definitely wondering the same thing. People are thinking those thoughts. Think
it's something I've noticed too, interms of thinking about your loved ones and

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keeping them close in your in yourmind, which is in your heart,
I suppose, which is more importantthan going to some physical representation where their
ashes are maybe or their remains.That's not where their soul is, right,
Where where's their soul? I thinkpeople are wondering. I exactly think
that same thing. I mean,I hate to say it this way,
but what's the difference between our bodieswhen we're put in the grave and the

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rabbit out in our backyard the dustdead? Yeah, dust to dust,
there is no difference right. Butthat's why it's so important. Like Scott
said, it's not about necessarily wherethey're barre. They could be buried in
Timbuctoo, but they're right here,right, Yeah, their memories are are
with us. Well have we coveredthat? I think so? Yeah?

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Me Oial Day on Monday. SoI guess the other thing too is the
military. I mean, if youshow some respect for the military. The
big parade is going to be goingon down downtown, the Patriotic Productions Parade.
What did they say That starts atten o'clock. I'm trying to remember.
I think you can turn the righttrack there. That looks to me
like that's gonna be quite quite ashow. Plus the planes flying over.

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So if you if you have grandkidsand kids and stuff like that and you
want to see a cool display,that boy, that's it's gonna be really
cool right there. So watch thatparade grow and grow and watch that whole
operation, just because I think people, like he was saying when he was
on the show last week, hewas saying, how people are starting to

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see through the outrage bs that theysee every day that they're sold it's a
package goods package because that they're soldthat America sucks, America's awful, America's
racist. But they've grown up ina country that is denies, that denies
that narrative continually, and they've continuedto live there, and they're seeing through

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it, and they're starting to say, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
this can't be all bad. Whydo you suppose these people aren't grateful
for living here? Wait? Whatis it? What is it about what
we're doing in America that a personjust wouldn't be grateful. We're not Brazil,
we're not Argentina. We're not anAfrican nation where you're running around in

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huts and people can kill you.We're not in oppressive regime in Iran?
Why? Why? Why is aperson bitter? I think that a lot
of the people who espouse the vitriolthat Pete's talking about here against our nation
are not themselves very happy people.They don't like themselves. They tend to

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make life more miserable and try anddrag people down to their level, whether
it's a general social interaction, whateverthey might do for work, or if
they need to start, you know, trying to drown you in their politics.
They're just not very happy people,and the topic at that particular time
happens to be America, And ifyou bring up a different topic, they'll
find a different way to try anddrag you down. That's what I found.

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So they want attention to at thesame time, well, I feel
a lot of pity for those people, you know, you know, people
like that. Yeah, did yousee the big event in the Bronx that
the president had? Yeah? Canyou imagine and then the other all the
other news stations besides Fox Or comingup with all kinds of excuses away it

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was so bad, and pretending thatJoe Biden could could pull the same kinds
of crowds if he wanted to.I'd love to see President Biden go into
a Republican stronghold, you know,someplace where he is definitely not on his
turf, a place like Ortalene,Idaho is, you know, just go

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go in there and try and engagethe same way President Trump has done there.
But they don't even let President Bidengo talk to friendly reporters. You
know. It's it is quite thediconomy right now between these two guys.
What I can't wait for that,do you? What? Do you?
How? I just am thinking howcan a party that is so organized and

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so aggressive at dominating elections and buildinga ground game to be able to beat
Republicans and it just seems sometimes tobe just masterful in organizing the team to
win elections. How can how canthey be so good at that and then

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put all their hopes on a guylike Joe Biden. Well, he's definitely
a he's a donkey, it's it'sa pine. But how can they do
it? How can they do it? They Scott, this is a question
I've got for you. He's amascot. If the Democrat parties are masters
at building the ground game to winelections, how could they put all their
hopes on Joe Biden? Well hewon asterisk they know not not willing to

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debate that at what my daughter wouldsay at seven in the morning anytime that
she feels as too early, asalways seven in the morning. But you
know, he he won that election. And they they're willing that, They're
willing. This is now. Oh, he's got to be the worst person
I've ever seen run for president inmy lifetime, if not going back in

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the history books, it seemed likea lot of values changed in order to
do what they accomplished in the twentytwenty election, they will. They went
into it saying, we don't wantan all white guy. You know,
look at our primary. Well thenwho am I? And they're like,
all right, let's just quiet downon the we don't want an old white
guy stuff, and we think wecan win this one. Is so that

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means like, is he in chargeor is he the trojan horse? Exactly?
He's a mascot, I know.But if if you just take his
results from his leadership and set thataside and you watch him, is he
charismatic? Is he knowledgeable? Ishe passionate? Is he able to articulate
vision and passion and ideas? Theguy can't even stand up, let alone

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communicate. He's a geriatric pariah.I just don't. All right, anyway,
let's take a break. When wecome back to stock market hit highs
and then we had some big selloffs, and I've got Randy Jensen,
my business partner, calling in andhe's just gonna edumicate us a little bit

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about what's going on. So don'tgo away. This is kfab's Morning News
Saturday with Dave Navite. Randy Jensen, he's my business partner, at Navity
Jensen Investment Management. And I've beenon the run so much this week that
I, you know, the markethit highs and then we had a big
sell off, and so I'm surea lot of you are kind of wondering
what's going on too, So Iwanted to ask Randy to join the show.

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Good morning, Randy, Good morning. So what can you what can
you have to say here to adumicateus on what happened? You know,
it's the same story we've been talkingabout for a couple of years now.
It seems like everything pivots on expectationsfor inflation and interest rates, and maybe

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as market participants we can get alittle too focused on that ignore some of
the larger picture. But that's reallywhat it is. Why isn't it Why
isn't it just simply what's the pand ls of these companies and their performance
and their growth opportunities and the dividendsare paying, and you know, the

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capital they're raising and all the stuffthat you're talking about company fundamentals and those
factors do matter over longer periods,and those are what we should focus on.
But the market's a discounting mechanism andwe're all in there trying to anticipate

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what direction it's headed and how fastand the level of interest rates have an
effect on that, and so that'sa day by day short term directional signal,
and traders will watch that. Investorsshould probably focus on the fundamentals you

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were talking about and put less weighton short term interest rate changes. So
obviously, if interest rates go down, more people build homes, buy homes,
more people buy cars. I mean, there's just more economic activity.
So the market is saying, hey, you know, that's going to be

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a big enough deal that these companiesthat are selling products, manufacturing, et
cetera, they're going to see morecash flow at the end of the day.
That's one side of it, butthere are a couple other factors with
interest rates. Fast growing companies aretrading at high prices because investors expect those

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profits to ramp up quickly, andso they're buying them for those two three
four year out returns. Even furtherout, when you have interest rates increase,
the masked changes on that growth.Higher interest rates make those future earnings

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worth less today because you're discounting themback at a higher rate. When interest
rates drop, those future innies becomemore valuable today, So it's a bit
of a financial analysis factor that instantlychanges the prices. And then the other

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parts is the companies themselves can financeoperations more cheaply when interest rates are low.
So there's there's there's good reasons forinterest rates to have a big effect
on the market, but maybe itshouldn't be such a short term view.
Now it's been the day weekend andI've been hearing all this noise and all

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this chatter about more selling off ofour gas and oil reserves and anticipation for
traveling and there's kind of a warbetween different kind of entities for travel season
which is coming up this summer.Travel people are getting on the road.
What's all this and and should itbe something we can be concerned about?
And when you say a war,what do you mean like a war for

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it? Well, the gas,I should say gas prices and the market,
yeah, exactly, So what's what'sgoing on there? Well? I
think, what when prices are alreadyI wouldn't call them high, but higher
than oil prices I'm talking about,we will release strategic reserves to try and

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temper the domestic oil prices. SoI think it's UH. We know the
seasonality, and UH will reserve orwill release reserves just to try and temper
price increases, especially if there's internationalpressure, you know, if if OPEC
is cutting back production to try andsupport prices, or there's geopolitical problems as

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there is in the Middle East,especially that all obviously effects OL prices.
Hey, Randy, coming into travelseason, that's a big deal. When
we hit when did we hit themarket high? We hit the market high.
I believe it was Tuesday. Tuesday. So for example, what's the

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one year ready to return to theS and P one year is twenty six
percent, So if you put adollar in there March thirty, first of
last year, it'd be worth adollar twenty six Right. What how bad

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of a selloff was it after thehigh? The big selloff was in the
Dow Jones and that was a percentand a half. That's keep in mind.
In April we had a five percentretreat against stock prices, decline in
stock prices, which we've made andobviously setting new eyes this week then the

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I believe it was Wednesday or Thursday. The Federal Reserve minutes were released and
there was some language in those minutesthat talked about members of the of the
FMOC being willing to raise rates ifneeded, and that spooked investors short term.
All right, we're talking about mylast question for you. Why doesn't

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the stock market care about how dysfunctionalthe Biden administration is on economics and oil
and wanting to raise taxes on therich and paying off student loans and spending
money overseas. What does the stockmarket care about that? You know,

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part of me wishes it did caremore so that there'd be an immediate feedback
loop to the politicians. No,in reality, Republican policies can be great
for the market, but so cansome of the Democrat policies. And it's
not that they're necessarily good for thecountry, but Democrat policies on spending,

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maybe on immigration. You know,you can go down the list of political
topics and one party does not have, you know, the corner on good
economic or market affecting policies. Right. Well, we can agree with one

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side or the other, but bothparties have policies that are good for the
market, uh, and policies thatare negative for the market. So with
the Democrat policy, we may beheading heading through the edge of the cliff.
But we'll be happy and yet richwhile we do it. Yes,
again, the market is looking atwhat's in it for stock prices tomorrow.

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Okay, all right, Randy,thanks for calling in. That's Randy Jensen
from Navitey Jensen Investment Management. Whenwe could after the break, we're gonna
talk about something that was a realtragedy in Omaha, So stay tuned.
This is kfab's Morning News Saturday.Josh Weir is calling in this morning.
Josh is a defense attorney and areally good one, and I wanted to

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have Josh on because this tragedy ofa one year old dying in a van
outside of daycare, and a gentlemannamed Ryan Williams, who was the driver
of the van, who's sixty twoyears old, is getting sentenced, and

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it looks to me he could facea maximum of twenty years in prison with
no mandatory minimum. Yeah. Ijust I look at the and there is
so much that bugs me. Numberone, I guess there was a lot
of strife or conflict or a fightof kids in the van. He goes

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into the building to get other peopleto come out and help him. It
was a chaotic scene. Once thingscalmed down, they all got in the
building. Why wouldn't the people atthe daycare look at the list of people
that's supposed to be checked in andsay, hey, we're missing one.
But they didn't, and they allgot busy and distracted. Why is it
all his fault? And I justfeel bad for the guy because I think

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about the years when I raised mykids. There were a couple times that
I made a badass decision that couldhave ended up in real tragedy, but
by the grace of God, Ihad the presence of mind to not do
this or do that. It couldbe as simple as boting or camping or
something where you could be out therewhere you could have made a mistake as

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an adult. So I've got Imean, I know what it's like to
lose a child, so I knowwhat that family's going through of losing a
one year old. On the otherhand, I don't know how they put
a guy like this in jail whenthere's so many different people that were involved.
And so, Josh, do youhave any insight on this? Oh

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he's not on Did he hang up? Okay? Oh he never did?
Call I thought he did. Okay, Well, Uh no, But you're
right though, because you're talking abouthim going in, I'm assuming he's had
this job, and I'm not surehow long he's had this job, but

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his responsibility is the kids, andthen that's something that should be taken seriously.
And I'm not trying to make lightof this situation because the the responsibility
lies somewhere. It's not just ohwell, that's a mistake that you know
often from it and move on nexttime. There there are they're bland to
be laid out. But like yousaid, there should be a manifest that

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they're taking kids from place to placeto and fro. He's dropping them off
at what at which in which placesuch and such place? Uh, from
such and such place, and thensomething happens inside. There's a there's a
conflict as it as it appears,he goes inside, and like you said,
there should be the manager of theplace, whoever's on duty, the

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people who are supposed to be lookingafter these kids day in and day out,
right, I mean they should knowa one year old is missing.
That's that's the point you're trying tomake. Yeah, and so I'm one
hundred percent on board. Not all, not all should just fall on the
driver, because I'm presuming that thischild had teachers. Uh, but the

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people at this the people at thisdaycare, what are they doing? What
are they doing during this time?And I guess I'm also curious. Do
you know how long this was betweenthe time he went inside trying to get
people to come out and then thechild passing away? Well, why wouldn't
anybody that accidentally leave a child ina car that ends up dying? Why

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wouldn't they all go to jail?If it was a mom and dad and
they had something like that, wouldthey go to jail? Right? Is
that the standard is that the presidentwe've had. I don't think so.
I don't know. This thing reallybothers me. I don't know. If
anybody out there has a has athought or two about it, feel free

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to call in at five five,eight eleven ten. But I really feel
bad for this guy. Yeah,no, I agree. It's an interesting
situation that you hope, you hopepeople start thinking a little harder about and
in dissecting. I believe. Andhe hasn't been sentenced it all yet,

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right, but he has been wellI don't think he has either, but
it could be up to twenty years. Yeah, he's been convicted of Is
it willful endangerment? Is it justmanslaughter? He said. Williams testified that
he had been distracted by a fouryear old who was refusing to get out
of the car, and he failedto see Ramaya when he returned to the

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van to grab a forgotten pair ofglasses because her brother had unbuckled her from
her car seat. When Williams returnedto the daycare at two thirty pm to
prepare for afternoon drop off, videofootage from an exterior ring doorbell showed him
climb into the van to ensure allof the air vents were working properly.

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About ten seconds after he disappeared intothe van, a deep painted scream could
be heard from inside. Williams foundAmaya face down on the floor in the
backseat of the van. She wastaken to the hospital with CPR in process,
where she was declared dead. Herinternal core temperature was one hundred and

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nine degrees when she arrived at thehospital. Man hyperthermia. Now, like
you said, it's not like you'remaking a lot of situation. You know
what it's like to lose a child, and so coming from your perspective.
You're thinking, these are these arelife. I mean it's an accident.

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You go to jail for an accident. Anyway, Kara's got a thought,
uh, Cakara? All right,Cara, welcome to the show. Yes,
good morning. Yeah, I'm gladthat you guys are having this conversation
because I don't think that this poorguy should assume or yeah, he has

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some responsibility. But I think thestate as well as that facility, has
a responsible ability to the daycare becausethey should have some kind of I mean,
the state passes the majority of thelaws governing these daycares. There should
be a law where they have somekind of count between the facility itself and

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the driver of that van, sothat if that driver gets off and says,
well all of the kids are off, there should be someone at that
facility who does or recountant. We'resupposed to have so many kids, We're
missing so many kids. Yeah.What if what if a driver can't stand
one of the kids because the kidis just obnoxious every time he picks him

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up, so he sells him offto sex traffickers? Oh right, I
mean they if the facility doesn't havea headcount and check in. Yeah,
what's to prevent something from like likethat, from that? And I don't
think we should necessarily bring the stateinto it. I think it should be
if a private if a private company, a private daycare company, wants to
stay in business, they should showvalue to their clients, their customers that

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are giving them and trusting their childrenwith them. They should show them the
basic, the basic courtesies of makingsure there's a manifest every morning, making
sure their children are accounted for everymorning, wherever they are getting on the
bus, getting off the bus,throughout the day, lunchtime, after lunchtime.
That should be a basic thing thatour children. With the amount of

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people that need daycare, you'd thinkthat would be pretty basic. I'm not
sure if we need to bring thisstate in for that, but if we
do, I guess we do.I mean, just the fundamentals of business.
They should be doing it. Kara, thanks for Colin. Let let's
go to Kevin. Kevin, thanksfor calling the show. Dave, thanks
for bringing us the attention of thepublic. This man is a pastor.

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He is. I know that becauseI was in a situation where I chountered
him and he told the story Thevery next day about forty people, including
myself and two other people from ourchurch. But he is a pastor,

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feels extremely immorse. I was shockedwhen I heard the sentence. He hasn't
been sentenced, has he? Idon't. I don't think so. That's
why I was hoping I could getJoshua on to kind of tell me more
about it. But he's in KansasCity now I find out so, and
I think I think the public sentimentneeds to come forward to the judge and

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just in support of this gentleman whounfortunately was the van driver of this daycare
van and this little girl was asI heard the stories he told told me
in others, he was just Now, this man is a pastor of the

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Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Ihope the judge would leniency and consider his
past and who he is live ofthis accident. That that well, Kevin,
Kevin, do me a favor,and uh, let's find a way

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that I can meet him and gettogether with him, Okay, because he's
It's been on my heart since theday it happened, and I didn't really
know how to find him or howto get a hold of him. So
now that you know him. Iwant you to arrange a meeting if you
can, and the circumstances where Imet him, where I can't go into

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the details of that, that's fine, that's fine. Okay. Well,
so I've charged you with the duty. Let's see if you can deliver.
Thanks so much, Kevin. AllRight, we're going to take a break.
When we come back, Josh Weiris on the line, so thanks
for listening, and we'll be rightback. This is kfab's Morning News with

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Dave Navite on news Radio eleven TENFAB. Now, my buddy Josh were has
joined us now. He's in KansasCity with all kinds of kid activities going
on. So I got my wirescrossed with him as far as when he
was going to come on. WelcomeJosh. Glad you were able to join
us morning, Dave, Sorry aboutthat. That's all good. I shifted

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times on you and you probably didn'tsee that until the last minute. But
so when the judge says that RyanWilliams is guilty, what does what does
that mean to the sentencing and allthose sorts of things. Okay, So
he's charged in Nebraska with child abuseand the section that he's charged with his

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child abuse if a person places it, if a person places a child in
a situation that endangers is of herlife or physical or mental health, and
if that results in death, thenit becomes a Class two A felony,
and a two A felony in Nebraskacarries a minimum of zero and a maximum

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of twenty years in prison. Sowhat the judge determined is that the daycare
driver in this case, mister Williams, placed the child's life in danger and
ultimately it resulted in death. Nowit's sentencing. The judge could sentence into
the maximum of twenty years, orthe judge could sentence him as low as

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probation in a case like this.Okay, So I'll love to keep track
of what's going on in terms ofthe sentencing. Then, you know,
Josh, the hard part about thisfor me is what about the rest of
them. You know, the daycarefacility and the people there. They were
running back and forth to the vanbecause there was drama going on inside the

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van and all of them went inthe building and forgot the little girl.
Why wouldn't they have a check inlist or something like that and have part
of the responsibility on them. Well, ultimately, I believe the daycare will
be held responsible civilly in terms ofI imagine there will be a wrongful death

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lawsuit and they'll have to pay monetarilyfor the loss of life of this young
child. But ultimately the county attorneymust have made a determination that they were
not the ones that placed the childin that situation, that ultimately the responsibility
was with the bus driver or thevan driver in leaving the child there initially,

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but that would have been a determinationmade by the County Attorney's office in
terms of this case. So he'sdetermined that for this specific instance, the
child in the endangered position wasn't inthe purview I guess of the Let's say
a mother has a child in theback seat and she's sick, and she

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rushes out of the car to goto the bathroom vomit you name it or
whatever, and she feels so sick, she lays down on the couch because
she just doesn't feel good, andshe forgets about her daughter. Would the
same thing happen to her? Hypothetically, Yeah, if you ultimately left your

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child in a car and they perished, you were the one who left them
in that situation. That endangered theirlife and if it ultimately resulted in depth,
then yes, and that's why thisis a Class two felony. Even
though it is a felony, youknow, at the high end you can
imagine pretty horrific scenarios where a personshould be entitled to twenty years in prison.

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But the Nebraska legislature has also determinedthere are situations that are entirely accidental
and the standard is negligent, whichjust means that there's a standard of care
that you did not meet. Soif it is on what would be the
low end of the spectrum in thiscase in terms of culpability in that you
know, it was entirely an accidentand the guy feels terrible about it,

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and there were a number of mitigatingcircumstances. That's why there's a situation where
there's probation would be appropriate, andI think probation would be appropriate in this
case. You know, I thinkabout my story where my youngest son was

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in Florida with my in laws andmy mother in law put my son,
Benjamin down for a nap and shewas in the other room watching TV,
and Benjamin got up and climbed outhis crib, and went out the back
door and fell in the pool anddrowned. And you know, we told
him, look, put something inthe water in case he falls in,

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and they didn't do it. Andwe told him to put dead bolts on
the doors and they didn't do it. Could they have been charged like this,
possibly? Yes, Then that wouldbe a determination either for the judge
if they tried it to the judgelike they did with Judge Battalion here,

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or to a jury, and youwould make your case to the jury.
And ultimately, some of these questionsare human questions. It's not exactly defined
by the laws to is that negligenceNow the fact that you had given them
prior warnings or identified that, heythere should be a dead bolt, or
hey there should be something else preventingthe child from going into the pool.

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Them not doing that, then thequestion would be for the jury or for
the judge, does that rise tothe level of negligence? Is there a
standard of care that was reasonable inthis case that they didn't do. So,
yeah, it's possible they could have. That would have been driven by
me wanting to sue them, though, and I is is uh in this

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case, it's the county attorney comingafter him, not necessarily the parent suing
him. Correct, Yeah, correct, When whenever there's a victim of crime,
our law is ultimately determined that thatit's the state's UH determination to uphold
the law. I guess I don'tI don't see the difference. I don't

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see the difference. Why wouldn't havethe county attorney in Sarasota, Florida done
the exact same thing that they're doinghere. Ultimately, a county attorney has
discretion on on what charges they're goingto bring. Uh. And I I
don't know the law in Florida ifit was written the same in Sarasota as
it is in Douglas County. Butwe we task UH prosecutors with a lot

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of discretion. Uh. And ultimatelythey can make their own determination. But
then they also consult with the victims. And there are victims. Victims have
certain rights, and prosecutors are supposedto consult with victims when making some of
these charging determinations. All right,that's Josh. We're a defense attorney right

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here at Omaha, Nebraska. Ifyou ever need help that way, Josh
is your guy. Josh, thanksso much for calling in. You bet
okay. You know, the Lordgave me a spirit of forgiveness and it
was supernatural after going through that griefand that tragedy. You know, it's
if I hadn't had God's Holy Spirit, I don't know what I would have

(39:34):
done to get through it. Icould have had a thousand conversations with well
meaning counselors, yeah, and itwouldn't have done the healing that God's Holy
Spirit did with me. On thatnote, my guest next hour is a
creation scientist and he is going tobe the best guests I've guessed I've ever
had on a show. Stay tuned. I mean, this to me is

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the best guess I've ever ever hadon the show. So his name is
Hugh Ross. He runs an organizationcalled Reasons to Believe. And I'm on
YouTube all the time, and whenI'm at the gym or i'm working outside
or whatever, and I got myearbuds in. I'm always looking for something
to listen to or whatever, andI just stumbled across a YouTube video of

(40:21):
Hugh Ross and I couldn't stop listening, I couldn't stop watching. I kept
looking for more and more of them. So he is a astrophysicist, I
can't even say that. Physicist,founder, senior scholar, and former president
of Reasons to Believe. He holdsa degree in physics from the University of
British Columbia and a PhD in astronomyfrom the University of Toronto, and he's

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written books Why the Universe is theway it is, Improbable Planet, and
Designed the Core. Welcome to theshow, Hugh. I'm so glad you're
on and you're from California. Soit's five a clock there, Yes it
is, but it's my pleasure tojoin you. Well, I this guy,

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if I can set it up anymore, I feel like this is a
guy that was given a supernatural intellectat a very very young age, and
God is using this intellect to helpall the rest of us get some big,
big answers. And so my firstquestion for you, Hugh, is

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why is the Big Bang theory impossible? Well, referring to the universe,
the Big Bang actually has been abundantlyproven correct. Every month that goes by,
we get a stronger case for it. It basically states that the universe
expands from the beginning, started upintially small, and the expansion rate is

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highly fine tune to make us aboutthe existence of life. It is one
of the first fine tuned characteristics ofthe universe discovered. Therefore, well,
therefore, it implies that there mustbe a beginner to explain the beginning of
the universe. Now, what's happening? Since nineteen seventy, astronomers have assembled

(42:20):
about thirty space time theorems that provedthat not only be you, so does
space and time. Hey, Hugh, your phone is kind of breaking up
a little bit. I don't knowif it's a wire connection or what.
But continue to go. If itkeeps doing that, we'll take a break
and then maybe you can call inon a cell phone or something. Yeah,

(42:42):
I'm on a landline right now.It would be good. Yeah,
now that sounds fine. Okay,good. So where did the bang start?
Well, because the universe is expandingfrom infinitesmly's small volume, and you
looking back in time. Because thefarther way you look, the farther back
in time you see everywhere you look, you're looking back to the beginning.

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So the entire surface of the universetestifies of where it began, and it
began where I'm on the point.Tell me the exact spot. I can't
tell you the exact spot because allthe galaxies and stars are on the surface,
the three dimensional surface of the fourdimensionally expanding universe. Everything on the

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surface has expanded away from that startlocation. So we're long gone from that
start point, however, because theuniverse is expanding everywhere I look in the
universe, and if I look farenough away, I'm looking back to the
beginning. Now, there are ThomasAquinas published the in twelve hundreds I believe,

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or yeah, twelve hundred and thirteenthcentury or something like that. He
published a book about five proofs forthe existence of Now, the cosmological proof
is that there has to be afirst cause. If the universe exists,
it had to have been started.So who started it? So you're talk
we're talking about the Big Bang theory. That's the cause that many secular scientists

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and what they have led to believethe majority of the population to believe.
Now, are you a seven literalday creationists or what would your standpoint be
on that? Well, I dobelieve that the days of creation in Genesis
one are literal days, but theword per day has four distinct literal definitions.
One of which includes a long finiteperiod of time. So my position

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is that those creation days are sixconsecutive long periods of time. But that
is a literal reading of the text. So so what why is it that
Earth seems to be the only planetthat allows life in this universe? It's

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the only Yeah, we found aboutsix thousand planets outside the Solar System,
and then none of them look likeEarth. In fact, Venus still ranks
as the most earth like planet discovered, and no one would consider Venus to
be a place where life can exist. And I've written books making the point
that there are over five hundred distinctfeatures of the Earth that must be exquisitely

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fine tune for advanced life to existon our Earth. Give us some examples
of that, please, Well,we have a moon that orbits our planet.
And the unusual thing about our moonis how big it is compared to

(45:44):
our planet, and that's because itdidn't form like other moons. It formed
as the result that two planets collidingwith one another, which made the Earth
bigger and caused a large moon toorbit the Earth, also made sure that
both bodies had hot cores. Asthose two hot cores orbiting close to one

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another that established a magnetosphere around thetwo bodies powerful enough to stop the young
Sun from sputtering away all of ourwater and all of our atmosphere, and
life is not possible unless you've gottwo bodies just like the Earth and the
Moon forming just like they did.That's so cool. And they bounced in

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they bounced against each other. Well, the Solar system began with five rocky
planets. Fea collided with the protoEarth, and that collision caused all a
heavy element material to collect end ofthe Earth. And then there is a
debris cloud around the proto Earth thatcoalesced to form the Moon. Than the
Moon began to slowly spiral away fromthe Earth. Why why are why are

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these things things perfect spheres as opposedto be jaggedy, rocky kinds of things
from a collision like that. Well, because the bodies are so big.
I mean, once you get passedabout say five hundred kilometers, gravity forces
that body to be a sphere.So notice all bodies in the universe that

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are bigger than five hundred kilometers acrossor spherical. So you wouldn't believe that
God created the Earth in the Moonas is well, I believe he created
our galaxy and our planetary system,our star, so that then just exquisitely
fine tune things. So yeah,we get exactly the right planet, exactly

(47:35):
the right moon. And by theway, that's true of all the other
planets in our solar system, alleight of them have to be supernaturally designed
to make possible advanced life here inplanet Earth. How is it the moon
you? I think I heard yousaying that the Moon is strategically located where
it is. Does it take meteorsand things like that? Does it kind

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of protect the Earth? It does. What it does is it causes the
very heavy element asteroids to be funneledin towards the Earth, and that's where
we get all of our gold andplatinum and nickel from. And it causes
the white element material, which ismuch more common, to be scattered away.

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But actually Jupiter and Saturn play aneven more significant role in ensuring we
don't get too many collisions. Weget enough to replace the water we lose,
but not so much that it makesadvanced life impossible on the Earth.
That's so cool. And we weretalking about a contingency effect where so many
things have to be perfect with oneanother and imperfect union and balance for life

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to even exist. And the aloneexists in this kind of paradise that we
have, and we see. Whatare some other of your I mean,
just give me your favorite or maybeone or two of your favorite contingencies like
that, just perfect scenarios, perfectsituations that exist that prove the existence of
a creator. Well, I lookat our galaxy, and I noticed that

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it's the right size, not sobig that it generates a massive super massive
black hole which would kill all ofus, but big enough that it doesn't
get gravitationally disturbed by nearby galaxies,and the extraordinary thing of butter milky way,
it's got very stable symmetrical spiral armswhere the distance between the spiral arms

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is just right, and our supermassive black hole is forty times smaller than
you would expect for a galaxy ofour size, and right now it's in
a very quiet phase, and soadvanced life is possible on Earth because of
the extraordinary galaxy in which we exist. So you would say that no place

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that we can possibly see in theuniverse has anything that looks like it could
represent life of some form or fashion. Well, I think it's possible that
God could have created life on someof the planet. But everywhere we astronomers
looked, every star system, everygalaxy, we see conditions that are very

(50:15):
hostile for advanced life. Some ofmy colleagues believe that maybe we'll find a
planet with a few microbes on it. I've got nothing more advanced than that.
I'm even skeptical of the microbes.Our guest is doctor Hugh Ross,
who's an astrophysicist, and he runsan organization called Reasons to Believe. You

(50:36):
can find his resources at reasons dotorg. Hugh, tell me about dinosaurs.
We obviously have fossils of really bigcreatures that were on the planet at
one point in time. Tell mewhen you think those dinosaurs were around,

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and then what happened to him?Well, the really big ones need very
large shallow seas, and those shallowseas on the continents existed between about two
hundred and thirty and sixty six millionyears ago. Child, Yeah, okay,

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yes, yeah, yeah, goahead. That's mind blowing when you
think about that from a time standpoint. Well, it is, and it's
a principle you see in the songsome one oh four that God tacks our
planet with as much life as possible, as diverse as possible. So in
the contents of shallow seas that permitthese really big land animals to exist,

(51:44):
he creates them. I mean,the biggest animal you can have on the
land today is an elephant. Ifyou want creatures bigger than that, you
need shallow seas to provide the waterbuoyancy. And that ended sixty six million
years ago because the gravity is toomuch. An animal that big couldn't exist
without having the buoyancy. Well,the animal would quickly injure and kill itself

(52:07):
because, yeah, it's so talland so heavy, it's going to be
subject to much more injury. Imean, you see that even in the
NBA, the tallest players are theones that tend to hurt themselves more than
the players that are only five feettall. So what happened to him then,
Well, they were wiped out bya giant asteroid that struck the Yucatan

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Peninsula in Mexico. And that asteroidwas so big it punctured the Earth's crust
and ignited volcanoes all around the world, and the combination of volcanoes and the
asteroid wiped out seventy five percent ofall species of life and planet Earth.
But very shortly thereafter you have amass speciation event. Again, I could

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quote Saw one O four. It'sa property of all life to die off.
But God recreates and renews the faceof the Earth and does it to
prepare the way for human beings.So is that when our seas and oceans
and everything and our continence got designedafter that asteroid hit, Well, do

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you have to super continent cycle wherethe continents will come together to make a
single big continent. Then they splitapart as driven by plate tectonics. And
has been five super continents and thesuper continent cycle, the last one being
Pangaea, which existed a quarter ofa billion years ago. Why would an

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asteroid not knock the Earth off ofits orbit and its balance in the universe.
It had to be really big todo that. The asteroid that wiped
out the dinosaurs was about ten kilometersacross, enough to puncture Througher's crust,
but not sufficient to already disturb theorbit or the spin rate of the Earth.

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So after that event is that whenGod created humans? While humans are
the most recent of God's creation,I believe that God created the first humans
early during the last Ice Age,so we're talking a few tens of thousands
of years ago. Why do youdo it? Well? I think that

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was his ultimate goal. I mean, the book I wrote, Design to
the Core, makes the point thatevery component of the universe, and every
major event in the universe plays arole in making possible the existence of billions
of humans on a single planet.So literally, for the entire age of
the universe, things are being steppedby step prepared for the entry of human

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beings. And you especially see thatin the past life history of our planet.
I mean, for example, youhave God creating a huge variety of
micro and those life robes chemically transformthe surface or to make it possible for
humans to exist. Wow, okay, we have a caller that's calling in

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Steve. You got a question foryou. Yeah, good morning. Thank
you for such a fantastic guest.And I want to thank doctor Rossford his
body of work over the years thathas really helped me, in thousands of
others to have a consistency between ourfaith and what we read in scripture and
what we've learned through science that's beenexpressed through nature. So thank you very

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much. For that. Yeah,well, you very welcome. What's your
question, Steve. The question isI wondered if doctor Ross could share his
experience as how as a youth hecame to a knowledge, how he came
to his faith, and how heread different different holy books of different religions
and came to the conclusion that theBible and science are compatible. And I

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don't know if there's you can summarizeit briefly, but it's a wonderful story
I believe that I've read about.Yeah, I'll try to be quick.
I mean, I was a realnerdy kid. I got fascinated with astronomy
and physics at the age of seven, was reading four or five books in
physics astronomy a week. And whenI got into my early teens, I

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realized the Big Bang really is acorrect explanation for the origin and history of
the universe. And that telled methat there had to be a beginning for
the universe, and hence a beginner. So I went on a search to
find that caused me a beginner.I went through the Hindu Vedas, the
Koran, the Buddhist commentaries, alot of other religions, and finally I

(56:35):
picked up the Bible that had beengiven to me in a public school,
began to go through it and wasstunned to discover that have predicted the Big
Bang. Fundamental features of the BigBang thousands of years ago, predicted over
one hundred future scientific discoveries, hundredsof future historical events. I realized this
had to be the message from theone that created universe. I was at

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age nineteen. I sign my namein back of the Gideon Bible, dedicating
my life to Jesus Christ. Now, Hugh, thank you, Steve.
You know the Bible says that humansare created in God's image? Yes,
what do you think about when youread that? Well, notice, we're

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the only species of life on planetEarth that asks questions like who am I?
Why am I here? Is theresomething beyond the universe? Is there
a God that created everything? CanI discover that God? Can I relate
to that God? No other speciesdoes that. Moreover, God has granted
us the brain structure and the braincapacity to be able to engage in mathematics,

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philosophy, theology, so we canactually engage those big questions of life.
And so that's the least part ofthe image of God. I think
Another feature is it's amazing how wecreate and de zion and a pattern has
very similar to how God created anddesign. It's just that his designs are

(58:06):
way better than ours. Well,I think about love too, you know,
I mean, genuine love seems tobe a foundation of what God's all
about and built it in us.Wouldn't you say, well, that's what
That was a big feature in persuadingme that it was Christianity that was a
correct religion, because what I noticeis you don't have an answer for the

(58:28):
origin of love and Islam or Judaismbecause you have God all by himself,
He is known to love before hecreates. But I have a problem with
Hinduism and Buddhism because they have thesethousands or millions of gods that all participate
in creation in a different way.Hence, what you see in as a

(58:49):
prediction that science is going to befilled with all kinds of incongruities inconsistencies.
But that's not what we see.What we see in science and has a
signature of being planned by a singlenine for a single set of purposes.
What who do you think was thefirst person that we start to hear about

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in the Bible that's becomes someone thatwe can record, is it Job?
Yeah? I believe that Job isthe oldest book of the Bible. I
mean, it's written in a poetrythat's designed to be easily memorized word for
word. So yeah, it actuallywas given to us before Hebrew became a

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written language. And it's also atime when you don't have a priesthood,
so it's before Moses. I thinkit's about four to six hundred years before
the Books of Moses spent. Okay, so I got to ask you Adam
and Eves's story and their creation.I don't have much of a problem with,

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but the idea that God would allowSatan to be right in the Garden
of what's the dynamic of Satan beingon planet Earth? On God's goals that
eventually we human beings would have eternallysecure love relationships with Him and with one

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another. For that to be possible, your free will decision to love and
commit must be put to a test. And so God invited Satan to commit
to the Garden of Eden because he'sthe most powerful and intelligent creature he ever
made, which meant that Adam andEve and all of humanity are being subjected

(01:00:37):
to the most challenging tests and thecontext of whether or not we choose to
form an eternal relationship with our creator. If we pass that most challenging tests,
no other tests can possibly disturb us. No one gets to go to
heaven unless they pass the most challengingtests. But I love about the Bible.

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It says none of us are amatch for Satan. We can't pass
the test without God's help. ButGod is there willing to help anybody.
And he says, if you cometo me for what you can't do for
yourself, I guarantee he'll pass themost challenging tests until we at the opportunity
to have an eternally secure relationship withher creator, something Adam and he did

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not have until Satan came into thegarden. All right, So somehow or
other, Satan really gets ticked offand starts to rebel in heaven. According
to the Bible, and there's alot of different theories. I'd like to
hear your theory, but I'm gonnagive you my theory. If you have
if you have God the Father,God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit, then right under that wasLucifer and he was the cock of the

(01:01:45):
walk in heaven and had control overeverything. This is nabology, Okay.
I think he got really mad whenGod created humans because humans were made in
his image and Lucifer was not,and Lucifer was going to have to serve

(01:02:05):
humans, and I fail like thatwas the start of his rebellion. What
do you think of that theory?Well, there's a hint of that in
Hebrews one where it says the angelsare ministering servants to serve and assist we
human beings were followers of Jesus Christ. But the Bible is silent on exactly
when Satan rebelled against God. Thatcould have been actor he created Adam and

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Eve. We do know that hewas in a sinful state before he entered
the Garden of Eden. We alsoknow, based on Job thirty eight seven,
he was witnesses. He was awitness to God laying the foundations of
the earth. So he has existedliterally for billions of years, but he
entered the Garden of Eden only say, a roughly fifty to one hundred thousand

(01:02:54):
years ago. It reminds me ofthat he was kind of Judas, was
kind of a secondary I mean,you know, Judas was in Jesus's orbit
and then he ends up doing whathe did. It almost replicates what Satan
did in heaven and to some respect. Yeah, the one hint we get
in the Bible is that what causedSatan to fall was his pride. I

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mean, he was so intelligent andso powerful that he got the idea,
hey, I can be equal toGod and that led to his fall.
All right, we're going to takea break, Hugh, and when we
get back, I'm going to openup the phones. Eric, I know
you're on the on the call hereand we're going to talk about aliens and
UFOs. So don't go away.This is KFAB Morning News Saturday with Dave

(01:03:40):
Navity. Peter's got a question foryou. So we were asked by a
color and we're curious as well,what is your standpoint on And we kind
of got into this a little bitin the last event about life on other
planets, But what about aliens andUFOs? What do you think is actually
going on outside the atmosis here?Well, I've been studying this phenomena since

(01:04:03):
I was sixteen because I was winningthe Astronomical Society in Vancouver and I got
that job. Every institution I went, ninety nine percent of people report to
me as UFOs. I can explainas a natural phenomena, a hoax,
or secret military activity. But there'sa one percent residual that doesn't fall into

(01:04:25):
that category, and that one percentresidual proves to be real but not physical.
Real in the sense that you actuallysee the UFOs crashing into the earth,
generating a crater, damaging vegetation,melting snow as snow exists there,
but there's no debris, there's noartifacts at the crash site, and when

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they're observe comes after they're moving atthousands of miles per hour, yet there's
no heat friction and no sonic boom. So we're dealing with something that's real,
but it's not physical. As anumber of physicists of point, we're
dealing with something interdimensional, a phenomenafrom beyond the dimensions of the universe.

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Well, because there's no crash site, there's no crash site. Well,
there's two thousand cases where they actuallyhave a crash site. You do see
a shallow crater, but we knowit's not physical because there's no debris,
there's no artifacts at the site.All you see is the crater you have
that vegetation is damaged. But likewhen an aircraft crashes into the Earth,

(01:05:31):
there's always a lot of debris.With these UFOs nothing, so we're dealing
with something that's not physical. Sothe rest of it is either secret military
aircraft, a hoax, or ajoke being played by somebody. And what
was the third one? Well,for example, most of the UFO things
that I was dealing with proved tobe fireballs, huge meteors coming through the

(01:05:58):
atmosphere. The planet Venus is oftenmistaken for a UFO, And then you
get the phenomena where you see andin swampy areas lights and if your eyes
are not dark adapted, you're goingto see lights even where lights are not
there. So that accounts for wellover ninety percent of the sightings of people
report, but even at one percentheads up into the millions, so we're

(01:06:23):
not dealing with just a rare phenomena. It's a very common phenomena. And
keep in mind, the Bible didtell us that he created two distinct species
of intelligent life, one that's subjectto the laws of physics, namely as
human beings and angels who are notsubject to the laws of physics. Okay,
So I think that explains the nonphysical nature of this phenomena, also

(01:06:47):
the reality. So by interdimensional,you're talking about angelic not some other Earth,
not some parallel Earth. Is whatyou know? You're not well,
I don't think we're talking about aparallel universe beings. Yeah, go ahead.
The distance that they would have totravel to get here if there were,

(01:07:08):
it's almost impossible. But let's go. So we know it's impossible because
we astronomers are trying to send spaceshipsto the nearest planetary system, and we
recognize that the biggest spaceship we cansend is about the size of a human
fist. Anything bigger than that willbe destroyed by the particles that exist between

(01:07:30):
here and there. And so theplan is to send a thousands of these
tiny spaceships to the nearest planet,figuring half of them will be completely destroyed.
The other half will only be partlydestroyed because of the space the space,
the space deep debris, if Icall it that, is it the
debris that's out outside our atmosphere.Is it so intense that they'll hit it

(01:07:54):
and bust up into pieces, well, interplanetary space. Interstellar space is a
virtual vacuum, but there are particlesthere, and the faster you move through
interstellar space, the more damage yourspaceship takes from the particles they're going to
be striking your spaceship. But thesmaller you make your spaceship, the better

(01:08:15):
the chance of survival. The sloweryou go, the better chance of survival.
How about this plan to get tothe nearest planetary system. They know
they have to go at least tenpercent the velocity of light to get there
in forty five years, and evenat ten percent the velocity of light,
the amount of damage your craft willtake to such a degree. Yet nothing

(01:08:41):
bigger than ten centimeters across is goingto make it. Okay, let's go
to Eric, who's been holding along time. Eric, I sure appreciate
you hanging on here. What's yourquestion for you? Well, I don't
really have a question. I justI respect what he's doing and Gretchell,
but I do believe that both theOld Testament and the New Testament point to

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a day being a twenty four hourperiod all the way back to Genesis one
one. The day started at night, not during the day. It was
the evening in the morning of dayone. And I believe a lot of
things changed during the flood of Noah. And I've read a lot of creation

(01:09:26):
stuff and secular stuff, and timeis not a magic wand I don't believe
the earth is a billion trillion yearsold. All right, hang on,
Eric, let's go to you andhave him respond to your questions or your
thoughts. Well, the first timeI've picked up about what I noticed was

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this word day must have at leastthree distinct definitions, because three are used
in the first page. So forCreation Day one, it uses the word
day for the daylight hours. Creationday four, it's contrasting seasons, days,
and years, as day is twentyfour hours. And then you get
to Genesis two four it uses thatsame word day to refer to the entirety

(01:10:13):
creation history. That's day as asignificant period of time. I also noticed,
like you did, that each dayends with an evening morning phrase.
I didn't know what the original Hebrewdefinition for evening and morning were, but
I knew the minimum. It wastelling me each day has a definite start
time and a definite end time.You get to Creation Day seven, there's

(01:10:36):
no evening morning phrase, which indicatesthe seventh day is du yet finished,
and that stated explicitly in both Sawninety five and Hebrews. Fill in God's
seventh day and that's the day whenGod stops creating. And as a young

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scientist, I noticed we only seeevidence for God's financial interventions in the universe
and Earth before humanity. We don'tsee it after humanity. He's at rest,
He's wresting from his work for creation. So it explains why so many
biologists they we don't see any evidencefor God. They're looking in during the

(01:11:16):
wrong day, or so many ofus astronomers, where we get our data
from the past, we see evidencefor God's supernatural handiwork everywhere. So we're
got to talking a little bit lastsegment, Hugh about the difference in days.
And you seem very comfortable merging theolder Earth science with with the Bible,

(01:11:38):
and we've seen in this show andacross across Christianity, it's it's a
controversial topic. I would like tohear your defense or your argument. And
h you say that the six daysof creation were six long subsequent periods of
time. Do you see that?Can you can you arbitrarily say that is

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there are there are periods that youcan see in the fossil record or something
that you could look back into time, into history or archaeology or anything like
that to kind of prove that.Yeah, the Bible tells us that God
gave us two utterly trustworthy and reliablebooks, the Book of Nature and the
Book of Scripture. And so thetimescale you see in Scripture is the same

(01:12:19):
as a time scale you see inNature. And so you know, we
astrophysicists can measure the age of theEarth that comes in at four point five
sixty six two billion years universe ofthirteen point eight billion, and that's completely
compatible with the Bible. And Itell my younger friends you need to read

(01:12:41):
all sixty six books of the Bible. If you take all the creation texts
in the Bible literally and consistently,it shows you that the days of creation
must be six consecutive long periods oftime. So that's the position I've always
held. And you know, aswe learn more and more about the Bible,
the more evidence we accumulate for thatposition. I detailed that in my

(01:13:05):
latest book, Rescuing and Errancy hOkay, and we mentioned the flood briefly,
and what and you had talked aboutin the previous segments, how Pangaea
and the super continents technonic place continentsmoving around, but you account those for
millions and millions of years ago.Young Earth creationists and young Are scientists would

(01:13:30):
believe that the flood was such amagnanimous event, a huge event, that
that's the explanation. So what didwhat changes did the flood have on the
Earth in your opinion? Oh,what it tells us in tewod Peter two
five is that the flood wiped outthe world of bengodly people and all the
animals associated with them. But atthat time, humanity had not yet spread

(01:13:54):
out over the face of the Earth, and therefore was not necessary for God
to flood the entire planet it Heonly had to flood that part of the
planet wherein godly people were living.I mean, you're seeing Genesis ten and
eleven. The scattering of humanity intoall the world's land masses happen after the
flood, not before the flood.It's still a big flood, adequate to

(01:14:16):
white but all ungodly people, butit wasn't globally extensive. All right,
let's go to the lines, Todd, what are your thoughts this morning?
Hi, ros, Just because humanscan do something, is there other things
we shouldn't do? And I'll giveyou poor things like gain of function,

(01:14:39):
cold explosions, black holes and stargates. Why does our government feel compelled to
play around with such things? Thankyou, Todd? Did that make it
go ahead? There's rumors going aroundthat physicists are trying to create a black
hole in the lab, and Ican sure you that we don't have the

(01:15:00):
power density to be able to pullthat off. I mean, yes,
people think that this certain particle acceleratorcan do it. We astronomers observe sources
that are tens of thousands of timesmore energetic, and nothing like that happens.
So I'm not worried about our governmentor any government doing something that's going

(01:15:21):
to wipe out humanity. All right, thank you, Let's go to Pat.
Pat what's your question this morning?Yes, thanks for taking my call,
doctor Ross. I've read several ofyour books, including the Genesis Question.
My question is do you believe thatthe genographic Project and the documentary Journey
of Man a genetic Odyssey, isthe history of the human race From the

(01:15:45):
Tower of Babel onward, and thatNoah did live sixty thousand years ago when
the human race almost went extinct,and we all descend from one man who
lived in East Africa sixty thousand yearsago. Thank you, Yeah, yeah,
great. And genetics is a verycomplex science, and also trying to

(01:16:06):
date artifacts and the human remains betweensay forty five thousand years ago and one
hundred and fifty thousand years ago,we don't have any radioisotope dating tool in
that area, so the dates arenot very accurate because we have to use
indirect methods. But I'm in basicagreement that Noah and Noah's Flood had to

(01:16:30):
have taken place before the Great migrationsof humanity, which had been dated to
be about forty five thousand years ago. So the sixty thousand year date plus
or minus twenty thousand years, Ithink is reasonable. But I'm also very
skeptical about how accurately we can discernevents using genetics. Systematic effects are enormous,

(01:16:53):
so we get an idea, butlet's not put too much confidence in
what we get from just pure genetics. Okay, So if the humans left
on the planet after Noah's Flood,came from Noah. How is it you
get such striking differences in the waypeople look? You got Caucasian, you

(01:17:14):
got Black, you got Asian,you got Indian, you got completely different
facial features in different people groups.How could they have all come from Noah
while we're talking in the neighbor tosay, sixty to one hundred thousand years
ago. There is no genetic challengeat to getting the genetic diversity we see

(01:17:35):
amongst the human races. What doyou mean by no genetic challenge, Well,
in the sense that you can easilyexplain the racial distinctives. Keep in
mind the genetic differences, say betweenblacks and whites, it's really quite minor.
In fact, one of my colleaguesabout chemists show that even in just

(01:17:55):
four or five generations, you cansee a family where the skin color changes
that quickly because the genic differences areso tiny. So so there's really no
problem. Actually, when you lookat the human species, the genic diversity
is really very low, which isevidence that we had a recent origin.

(01:18:18):
Well, I think about genetics isthat's one thing, But I'm talking about
skin and face and all that kindof stuff. I mean, well,
here's where you see the greatest geneticdistinctives in the races, it's between the
Zulu Blacks and the Bantu Blacks.Both of them differ from one another more
than they differ, say, fromCaucasians or Asians. And once again I

(01:18:40):
want to emphasize the genic distinctives amongstthe races of humanity are really quite trivial.
How did they navigate the waters onthe planet to get people in Australia
and New Zealand and people in Icelandand Ireland? And I mean, well,

(01:19:00):
that's a good question, and Ithink that's answered by recognizing the great
migrations took place during the Last IceAge when the sea level was as much
as three hundred and ninety feet belowwhere it is today. And so there
is a land bridge joining France toEngland. There was a land bridge joining
Asia to North America, and sothere is a land bridge that actually joined

(01:19:23):
the Asian mainland to the Philippines andto Borneo. So that facilitated how the
migration and colonization of the world's landmasses now and we were talking about Jena
next. Before people believed that hamwas the Sun that migrated down into the
African region, right that's the sonthat went down there, and the others

(01:19:44):
went you know, off the topof your head, kind of the regions
that they settled from there. Well, that's speculation. I mean, the
Bible is not what the Bible talksabout is you know, the people groups
that came from Noah's son. Itdoesn't really get specific about the geography that
they went to. All right,you we just got a minute here.

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Tell everybody how to get a holdof you and how to get your books.
Well, they can get free chaptersof my books at reasons dot org
slash Ross and there's thousands of articlesat reasons dot org. We also the
YouTube channel. Just put my nameHugh Ross into YouTube and you'll find hundreds

(01:20:27):
of videos and debates that I havedone. And you've got books out there
you can buy off your website,right yeah, I've written twenty three books,
and people also can ask questions ofme on my Facebook and Twitter pages.
Thank you so much for joining usthis morning. I know you're calling
from California and it was really earlythere, So God bless you, and
I hope you'll come back sometime.That'd be my pleasure, all right,

(01:20:51):
Hugh, God bless you love youall, Happy Memorial Day,
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