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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Hey, it's shar and we're just like that. Welcome
to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's original series. And
just like that, we're so excited. Denver. You're ready, I'm ready,
all right, So let's get things started. Here we are,
episode nine, Season three present tense.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
These these weeks are flying by.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I know, id the finish line. How are you today, Denver?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good, I'm good. You know it's been a day,
but you know I cannot complain. Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah? I mean same here pretty much. I am exhausted.
I'm really tired. I've been marathoning it for whatever reason.
July has been so busy for me. But I'm not complaining,
but I am just really tired. Y'all gotta bear with me,
y'all gotta bear with them. But I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And we had another, I think shorter than usual episode,
but oh it was a glorious one.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, And I'd like to remind everyone that it is
currently nine to thirty pm. We're doing this directly after
the episode, as we've been doing for the last few weeks,
so you know, we're locked and loaded and so our
dive in.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm ready. I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, Well, before we officially launch, you know that we
of course have speak pipes and this week we only
have two. Okay, And that's another thing. Denver and I
have been recording the episodes our episodes directly or like
a few hours after the episode airs, So if those
of you who are out there who want to leave
speak pipes for the most recent episode, you have a

(01:40):
window of time to do so at speakpipe dot com slash.
We're just like that. Before you know, Denver and I
sit down to officially press record, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I would say you have until the next episode airs
to get it in basically, yeah for sure, Yeah for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, So our first one is from re Marvelous. Let's
listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Hi, Denver, High Shore and Marvelous Bank. So let's get
sew it.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Carrie, get the fuck away from that man, because of
what are we doing joking about bringing guns in first
into our girl's home. That shit ain't funny.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
He is so insecure and messy.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Fuck him this His whole show has made me hate
that man.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Is he gonna Jimmy Rick a contraption to spy on
our girl and put cameras in her home because what
is in them bags? Next, I know y'all were't feeling
Adam Karma, but that white boy got a big old booty. Okay,
I wanted to tell move over a bitch my turn.
If he was smelling, she would have been clocked on.
So let's wrap this still storyline up. He asked her,
do I smell good?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
She said yes?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
And the story next Miss Mirian doeses switch it up
and had her a studded earrings at this episode, not
that dangly joint. She'd be whipping like a ponytail. Jokes aside,
Lisa is reading into something that is not there. That
man don't want her. If he wanted her, he would
have been pounced. You talking about a man brushing up
on you in a pack movie theater, hunting, Let it go,

(02:58):
it's giving Arry Tyler, Perry, Dear Dixon, Barry Tyler, Perry,
Christian Keys. Let that man do his job. Also, do
we know if he's married to a man or a
woman because he never said so, and she's disrespecting that
man's marriage. Lastly, this is the end of Maranda enjoy. Okay,
she broke that woman's jin and did not trust her
enough to convey her truth. Okay, And I'll lastly, you

(03:20):
two are horrible making fun of our little sister. Henry
finding himself damned Denver gonna stay somewhere over the rainbow
and Honey, I said, and out that glass closet, Henry,
We love you, baby, Okay, your family see.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It cuts up there, it cuts off. You know. We
never know what to expect when remindles no.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
But I love it. I love it every time. Where
do we start with that? One thing? Most recently? It
is his wife because I think Marian.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Did say yeah, he explicitly says that his he LTW
said something a few episodes ago and he was like, oh,
you sound like my wife or tell my wife that
because she said he was something like you're so in
tune and he's like, tell my wife that. So he
is married to a woman that we know what else,
There's so many things that Marvelous addressed.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Good thing Adam doesn't stink Yes to see Aiden's bags.
I think we'll get to this episode. Yeah, and I'm
missing something that I was going to say. We'll get
to Miranda enjoy.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
We'll get joy.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, thanks, Henry, you do. We'll get to him.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
All right, we'll get to him too. Thanks for marvelous.
That was always like I said, it's always a surprise.
It's always the chocolates. Our next one is from Kelly.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Greetings shar in Denver. This is Kelly, and I just
want to comment on this most recent episode, which is
I am so bloody sick of Aiden. And here's my
opinion on Aidan. He is trying to establish that relationship
with Duncan because obviously of his jealousy. But let's go

(05:09):
back to Carrie's history of cheating on him with mister Big,
so I think subtly that or subconsciously that is on
Aiden's mind. And yet again it's like that episode of
Sex and the City where he went out where Big
came out to the country because he was heartbroken and
they got into that fight.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
This is like that, a.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Pissing contest between the two of them, and especially not
listening to Carrie saying to establish and keep those boundaries,
He's shooting himself in the foot. But I'm ready for
Aiden to go. That's my comment.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I still haven't watched the rest of the episode because.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
My blood gets boiling when oh I see Aidan on
the screen, so he is tired. Have a good, good evening,
and I'm so glad you're doing this podcast. And one
last thing is I wish you too would just continue
to podcast because I could listen to you two together
forever in a day plus you both.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Thank you. Kelly, I was super sweet. Now, Kelly, Kelly
is right on the money.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, And Kelly's sister, you know, I'm with you. We
have been ready to pack eight and up out of here,
I want to say, for like six weeks now.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, but I mean Kelly tapped into things that I
didn't even think about that actually come up in the
episode we're going to discuss.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
So what I will say is the and just like that,
uh the the instagram account posted the uh that flashback.
It was a still from you know when when Big
went out to the country and that pissing contest, as
Kelly just as referenced, and also Andy Cohen posted a
throwback because I surprised his role. So let's officially jump

(06:55):
into season three, episode nine, Present Tents. All right, So Denver,
as you mentioned, this one was another short episode, but
I was just talking to a friend who binged sex
in the city. The series within like I think he
said forty eight hours. So it was like a callback
because you know those episodes without commercials, they're like twenty
eight minutes, and so if you really like, sit down

(07:18):
for a weekend, you could probably get through all six
seasons of Sex in the City if you really.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean I think I did. Initially, like I don't.
I never watched it in real time.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Either a friend to watch it and we just ran
through it.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I didn't either. I had seen a few episodes in
My fandom for this show officially began when I went
to the theater to see the first movie, and I
was like, oh, let me, let me lock in because
the first movie was just so I always tell people
that's a good starting point because you don't really need
a frame. They do a good job of giving you
a quick little backstory. You don't really need a frame

(07:50):
of reference to appreciate the first film. So if you
don't want to start season one, episode one, if you
want to see if this might be your thing, your
type of show, start with the movie.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's smart. That's because because the the you know.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
When you start a new show sometimes it could be
a slow burn if it doesn't immediately fuck you in
you know, so starting so here we are. The episode
opens up with Carrie returning from running some errands and
she calls out for Aiden, but there's no response. She's
calling out from a few times, and that's when she
discovers when he finally does respond, it's the call is

(08:25):
coming from outside, and it's because we're out back in
the garden the rat Highway. He's in the back having
coffee in a chat with Duncan, and Carrie's face drops understandably.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
She looks perplexed.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
She was, that's a nice way putting it.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It was. It was very like. She didn't look mad,
she looks more so confused, like.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean obviously because we just like will unpack this.
So then we get, of course, a jump scene and
it's Seema. She's in bed and Adam is fresh out
of the shower, which is how I like to see
him freshly.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Babe. Okay, whoever said he looks dirty, you can't say
that anymore. No, I can't. No, you can't look good.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
He looked good.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It looks great.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
By the way, did you ever get around to watching
the architectural digest of Carries?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
No? No, no, it's on my list.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I watch it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I will, I will before next episode. I will.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I thought about it a lot. I thought about it
a lot in this episode because when she was calling
out Aiden walking through, I was like, damnly to watch this.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, and I saw there's a few things that have
popped up on my Instagram of like behind the scenes,
like with the costume department, that have just randomly popped
up that I've fought. They're just little three minute, you
know stuff. So nevertheless, which people have been pointing out
say nevertheless a lot. I know, take a shot if
you drink no, Miranda, okay, if you drink, every time

(09:46):
you hear me say nevertheless, maybe should take a shot.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I love it. I feel like it's a great segue.
It's I think it's underused everywhere else. I think it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'm reaching into my Andy Cohen back my watch what
Happens live back is every time you hear this word.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You don't think anything.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
So yeah, add him is fresh out of the shower
and he jumps into the bed, honey, and as he kisses,
he plants a kiss on Seaman. She's like, oh, it's
on your lips and he says, ice Blue secret. So
he was giving her a taste of his of his critique.
If you will like this is this is what I
what I taste. He's proving his point, which.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I feel like it's so rude. It's so rude, but it's.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Kind of cute. It's kind of cute at the same time.
So in this he hands her a large crystal tied
to a string as a substitute, as a dealer in
substitute for her to consider before digging back into her armpit.
I have in my notes, I'm too ticklish for this.
And what is it with this man in an armpits?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I you know, maybe that's a pit fetish. He digs
and pits all day for he digs and pit the night.
Maybe he's just like a pit person. That's all I got,
like obsessed with armpits. Yeah, I know the gay is
like armpits. That's like a thing I see all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. I learned that, uh in a very strange, peculiar way,
strange and peculiar way on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah. And apparently manscent has kind of been percolating for
the last couple of years and I have it, and
I have a theory with that and everybody making like
a whole body yodorant. I think that something post COVID
has changed people's scent receptors and people are just smelling,
not smelling. There's just some something weird.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Is going on, and nobody wis seen debates around pheromones
and and to your point about man scent, there's always
a discussion about like what. It's so subjective because some
people are funk masters and others just like want like, oh,
you know, you were walking around for six hours type thing,
like I prefer that smell, And some people are like, no,

(11:43):
there's a good gym, my white home.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
There's a guy in my old gym. He's into it
and he smells like hot onions stuck between ass and
he does it on purpose and it's so pungent. Smell
him across the gym. You know, cartoons like somebody would
smells somebody cooking, and you see like the scent in
the air and like that, like oh, he's over there,

(12:07):
and it makes you want to vomit, Like it's so
bad that nobody else in here smells it, and clearly
everybody does because everybody's making the same face.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
That is so rude.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's so bad and so nasty, and I'm surprised that
Jimmy allows it.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, because something Gems will tell you, Hey, baby.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know they should, they should they showers for a reason.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, nevertheless, God said, again, what's with this guy in armpits?
I have that in my notes. And then we we
see Seema. She's fresh out of the shower and she
grabs the crystal and she decides to give it a
try as a deordorant substitute, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Why not trying a lot of new things. Why not
Sometimes when you.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Get new energy in your life, you're you're very open
in more ways than one. So now we are back
in Carrie's garden backyard, and the convo between these three
is so awkward. It is It is the most awkward
dance we got. Aiden rambling about how he went to
London once to see Chippendale's up close, and Carrie mentions

(13:06):
that Aiden designs furniture, and Duncan makes a joke that
kind of falls flat because he's like, oh, Chippendale's the cabinet,
not Chippendale's the nightclub. Aiden didn't find that funny, But
I mean, you got to get clarity when he said,
you're going to go see a chippendale up up close.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
You do something I loved about the beginning of this,
As you can see Carrie fidgeting the entire time.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I was literally I'm like, Carrie wants to jump out
of her body because she tries to exit this conversation
like three times. She's looking for an off ramp, and
so the first time is when she says she says, well,
we're keeping you and Duncan insists that they're not. No,
You're fine. I was like, I wonder if Duncan is
getting a kick.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Out of this. Oh, I know he was. I know
he was. That's why I entertained it for so long.
So I sat there and lit us pipe up and
then the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
He was, yea, I believe I'm with you with that, Denver.
I believe Duncan Clockton and it's like, I'm gonna make
her squirm, both of them. So uh Aiden asks what's
the deal with the with the pipe? Carrie seems offended,
and she also seems a bit defensive. She's like, what
do you mean? And he's like, well, how does one

(14:14):
become a pipe smoker? And you know, aiden I have
in my notes is being very smug and seems a
bit irritated by Duncan just in general. Like it's like
he's trying to play it cool but he can't. No,
he's not coming across so smug and Duncan hun go ahead.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I go ahead. Have written down that Carrie's defending
Duncan's pipe, and I have all kinds of Duncan's pipe.
So I hope we get to revisit Duncan's pipe.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm sure we will. I'm sure we will. Duncan mentions
that this habit is fairly new. He started smoking pipes
when he started writing the Thatcher book because everybody in
her cabinet was smoking pipes. And it's also you know,
a nat his grandfather who couldn't stand her. And then
he goes into this, you know, he he details it

(14:59):
by saying it's a tough stone to the people and
the time, and it became sort of a ritual to
get him to write to I guess unclog the writer's block,
which I'm like, listen, we all have our anybody who.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Writes no, you you have your thing, you do.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I think the subject matter as.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, Yeah, I keep giggling when you say smoking pipe,
because I live in downtown in LA and it means
something very different to me. I walk around, it means yes,
also about earlier, matter of fact, today coming back from
the gym, and what were they doing on the sidewalk
smoking pipe? Just broad daylight.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Just yeah, we got a problem in southern California.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh, it's a baden.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's really bad.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's better not to sound all conservative, but something it's.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's really things. Are the things that were once in
the shadows are not? And that includes the nefarious things? Right?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, that's different, different show, different.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Show, different show, different podcasts. Maybe Gavin will have us
on next since he've been having a little bit of
everybody on his show.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh I would love to. I'm so, I'm so intrigued
by him.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
He's a flip flopper. That's what I'm intrigued by. Yeah,
I mean, that's what I'm intrigued by.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, but I'm not completely Again, different different show.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Different different show. Okay, So then Carrie again tries to
kill this conversation and Aiden keeps going. He mentions that
most people hate the smell of smoke, and Duncan says,
you sound like my wife, and that's when Aiden perks up.
He even leans in right, He's like and then another
interrogation seemingly begins. He's like, oh, you're married, and Duncan
clarifies his ex wife. Aiden then goes to say any kids.

(16:41):
Duncan says no thing, thankfully, No, you know, and then
Aidan is just being so weird in the scene, he says,
having kids is the best thing I ever did with
my ex that's for sure. Ask Carrie, She'll tell you.
What are we doing here? Aiden?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I was very high school, like, very college, very
like I'm trying something to prove to this my girl.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Like I just I didn't like it at all, which
is crazy because there's never been an implication that Duncan
and Carrie have anything going on. This is a clear
sign of Aiden's own insecurities being in the driver's seat,
which we will get to later on in the episode,
but being in the driver's seat and dictating like he's
not checking in with himself and bringing himself down to ground.

(17:19):
He's literally And.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's funny because they were so subtle last episode you
kind of see them kind of bubbling under, but now
they're just out there just.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, they're just out there. It's like you got to
really watch the stories that that you tell yourself.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Also that the thing I sent you after last week's
episode about the writer's room, how they were saying that
when Aidan was reading those texts in the bed.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
It wasn't They said it was manipulative. Yes, yes, I.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Fucking knew it because it felt it felt so gross. Yeah,
felt so gross.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, Carrie can't seem to take this conversation anymore, so
she instead of honing in on trying to break it up,
she decides that she's going to leave because she has
a lunch date at SEMA's office, at Seema's new office.
And instead of like I said, she just concedes and
decides to remove herself. But not but not before Duncan asks,
I'll see you tonight, and Carrie says yes, because it's

(18:10):
my turn to give you notes. Aiden tries, now, I
burst it up, laughing because as Carrie's making her exit,
Aiden tries to give her a good bye kiss, and
Carrie's like, you got me fucked up.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
We've never done that before.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
And then you you violated a boundary and so he
says bye babe, and she says bye, that's it, and
I said, now this debate I also have in my
notes about the debate around because we see this every
day on our socials and if you all are like
Denver and I, you see it as well. It doesn't
matter if you're gay, straight, or otherwise. There is an
ongoing debate, particularly around millennials, around children. Right, So we

(18:50):
see people are like, oh, thank God, all of this
free time, and then we see the other side of like,
this is God's greatest thing, and this is an ongoing debate.
And so that's kind of what this reminded me of
just playing out on screen for sure, because you know,
Duncan's like, no, I don't have any kids, thankfully, and Aiden's.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Like aident took personal offense.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, he did did so. Our next scene, as
Denver and I oftentimes referenced, the writers are literally just
looking for something to give Charlotte and Harry to do.
We're just getting check ins. We get Harry returning from
the bathroom cautiously this is his first time peeing without
a catheter since the surgery, and Charlotte has bent over

(19:28):
to bed. She's she's struggling because a mess has piled
up in their room. There are plates and ice packs
and books and the kids, Lily and Rock, have left
them high and dry. They have left them for dead
and Charlotte is trying to clean up. And I should
mention in our YouTube comments, someone commented and said that
they have burdigo and how this is just a dramatization,

(19:49):
like it's never like me like this.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was confused right this whole scene
and if we didn't need it, it didn't make sense.
It's a being a waste.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, they could have left it on the cuting room floor, honestly, Like,
why are we here? There is a random nat flying on?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I saw her a zoom buy and I was like,
you're because.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know the lights. I'm like, where did you come from?
I don't know if it's a.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Fruit fly or what, but it's summer, summer, summer, summer.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
So yeah, that we see Charlotte. She falls over. She's
excited that that Harry was able to pee without a catheter,
and she's so excited she stands up too quickly. The
vertigal kicks in and she falls over.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
They need the night nurse or something because this, and
they have.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Enough money and resources to have, you know, some care
come in, like painkillers, Like my thing is how it's
been long enough for the semester pile up, but yet
you're still bent over, like do we not have medication?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are we not seeing anybody? Is there no healing, no
recourse now an we're just in the exact same spot
we left you last episode with three days worth of dishes,
and and I think I think.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's so indicative of teenage, the fact that Lillian Rock
left them for dead, like that's such teenage behavior, like
of course they're not there cleaning up after y'all. Of
course they out in the streets doing god knows what.
So then we get we're at the Patel Group office
and it is beautiful. It's beautiful. Sema mentions that she
can afford it because she used her savings, which people

(21:23):
waited in. People called in on our speak pipe and
talked about Seema being dramatically broke amusing air quotes, but she.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Was saving it was it was dramatic the last year
in the train, but the last yes in the train
wouldn't make they would not make a break her getting
that office.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, that is true, that is true.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
That just wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, she used her savings account, and also she benefited
from the real estate market. And the deal's going on
because you know, everybody's working from home. Office space is available,
you know, and so I'm happy for her. And that's
when we meet her assistant, are Told who used to
work for Rob. Now we saw him in past episodes, right,
we did have to That's what I was thinking. I

(22:03):
was like, yeah, he was the one who answered the
face time when she at the beginning of the episode
when her hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this scene definitely
made me want sushi. I have that in my notes.
Shout out to Kaz.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
That'sus. You looks so good. I have it in my
notes too.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
It looked so good. I was like, I might go
grab sushi tomorrow's Friday. I might go have me a
bent to but like a smortgage board, like it looked
so good.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
It looked great.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
And so Carrie in this scene is venting Tsima about
how Aiden violated a clear boundary that she set.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Go ahead, I'm sorry, no, keep going with the whole
finish out.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
With the whole duncan thing. And she Carrie's like, He's
was sitting up there holding a mid morning talk show
against my wishes.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now, what was the boundary, because if I remember correctly,
it was, we're not inviting him to dinner. We're not
going to be that neighborly. Was a boundary like don't
interact with him at all? Was that?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I think the boundary. What I interpreted from it is
that when they were talking, when Aiden was getting dressed
for Charlotte's gallery and standing outside of Carrie's closet, remember
permission to cross, and Carrie's like Chris denied. She emphasized
that they are not neighborly in that way, like that
is not the relationship. She emphasized to me, This is

(23:23):
what I got from this, that she wanted to maintain
and keep a relationship where it's just page twenty two sucks,
where we are just exchanging notes on books, almost like
she's not even interested in a friendship. That's what she
gave to Aiden, That's what I got from it. And
he violated that boundary while attempting to connect with this
man in a way that Carrie Carrie's like, I don't

(23:44):
even talk to him like that. We talk about how
page twenty two sucks, and you're out in back having
a cup of coffee with him, like chilling and interrogating
him about his family.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Well, I don't think she knew that at the time.
I think, to me, that boundary was kind of unclear,
because yeah, sure, we're not going to bite him for
dinner and kick you over a mill and all of that.
But I mean, if you're spending this much time with him,
editing for hours and hours and hours, then surely we
can have a conversation outside on the patio that we
both share that that didn't seem.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like a I see that because aidiae Eve impressed her
and was like, well, what do you know about him?
And she's like, I don't know anything, and he's like,
I find that hard to believe. That was last week's episode. Yeah,
but she knows Aiden, and that's the you know what
I'm saying, that's telling Sema and so and so. Yeah,
Carrie mentions that she thinks Aiden is threatened and not

(24:34):
by Duncan but by her, and that's when she leans
into her lore as the kids say, and she tells
Seema about their past and how she cheated on Aiden
with Big, which sowed a seed of distrust. Sema then
spills the Tea about how Aiden was asking not only
her but her man Adam as well about Duncan at
Charlotte's gallery opening last week, and she suggests that Carrie

(24:56):
talked to Aiden about it, but Carrie says that she won't.
She hopes that this is just a blip. I have
in my notes that this is clearly avoidance, right, and
it has nothing to do with the conversation possibly being uncomfortable.
It has everything to do with Carrie still lying to
herself about the quality or lack thereof, of her relationship
with Aidan. And she tells Seemen that, you know, she's

(25:17):
too happy, Seema, I said, she tells Semen. She tells
Sema she's too happy that Aiden is there finally, and
she doesn't really want to disrupt that.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, that's a little bullshit. I just doesn't want to
get into it. Yeah it is. Yeah, But I mean
I will say with them, oh no, But I mean
I will say kudos to her for acknowledging her past
and realizing how that's happening an effect on her current relationship.
I mean, I think that's a big step, especially you know,
it's it's hard to be cheated on, but it's also

(25:48):
hard to be the cheer, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's a lot of a lot of you have self awareness,
self awareness a cheat all the time and go to
sleep just fine and don't think twice about it. So
you know, if you're on a redemption arc, maybe wake
it up. Well, lunch gets interrupted by are Told because
Seema has a business meeting across town in forty minutes

(26:11):
and she's cutting it close. Okay, but he doesn't know
any better, are told. Just you know, he's still adjusting
me it's from London. Yeah, he's still adjusting to New York.
So then we get our next scene with Herbert opening
the fridge and he's spiraling over cheese and pasta. Okay.
I felt this so much, Oh Denver, Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like it's so I mean, luckily, like when I'm like dieting,
my partner is at the same time, so like, yeah,
you don't really have that, but I understand just the
hangar feeling of just wanting to eat something can't And
it's just like anybody can get it about anything.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The way that I look at this because I used
to have an unhealthy relationship with diet culture and the
way where I'm at today. Is where I've been probably
since twenty twenty, since the lockdown and stuff, is that
I can have any and everything I want in moderation,
any and everything I don't. I don't diet anything away.

(27:12):
If I want cheese and pasta, I'm having it. But
maybe I'm just having a little coranna, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Here's the thing. I mean, that's like my game is
on point. I mean that's generally how how I live.
Like you know, I don't. I don't believe in like
pure deprivation. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's a specific situation. So
like right now, you were getting ready off for a
vacation for his birthday, So yeah, there's a beach involved.
So now it's like, okay, the moderation just cut it
out for two weeks, and yeah, two weeks theyanity purposes correct,

(27:40):
But these two weeks are wearing me a thin because
I'm not because I'm not used to living that way.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah yea, yeah, Well it's it's an interruption, and there's
really no If you're doing it cold turkey, yeah, that's
going to mess with you. That's gonna especially when you
got a taste for something and you're telling yourself you
can't have it. You better look on TikTok for substitutions.
You know that TikTok search bar will give.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
You no all that doesn't piss me off, Like I
would rather just have the thing or just or the thing.
I don't want diet versions of the thing. I don't
want modif. I don't want fucking sweet potato fries. I
want real fries. I don't want cauliflower rice. I want
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, no, no, Well
he's going off.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Herbert's going off because apparently he's a stress eater and
he's determined not to put back on the twenty pounds
that he just lost. But LTW and their son, Henry
couldn't give a damn. They couldn't care less. Henry's even like,
who are you talking to? Like, because he's going on
and I noticed in this scene that LTW is still
affirming how hard Herbert has worked for his weight loss,

(28:46):
even in the midst of her you know, towards the door.
Herbert then takes issue with He said, who the hell
who got these little Debbie? Not a butt of bars
up in here, And that's when Henry says, those are
my dad, I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Not fat, spoken like a true child.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Did you just call me fat? Cheese boy? I did?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's what he said, And did that cheese boy felt
a little loaded if you asked me, well, I mean,
it felt like a substitute.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'm sure I'm not. You know what I'm not. I'm
not doing this with you today. I'm gonna our final
episode is going to be a compilation of the greatest hits.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, first of all, I feel like it takes a
very unique child to even call their father fat in
the first place, and to even say, whether whether directly
or indirectly, to.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Say who are you talking to? I wouldn't dare say
that to him. I wouldn't say that to my parents today.
There's other other things i'd say, and there's other ways
you can communicate that, that feeling and that sentiment. But
I wouldn't say who are you talking it to?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh? But Henry? Would?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I know? We love Henry, We love Henry, we love you.
Over here, stop if you're listening.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I love Henry. I think he's great. Matter of fact,
we need more of him and less of Rock and Thuff.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I agree. I agree. I'd love to see more of Henry.
So then we get Sema. She's running late, you know,
she's cutting it close. So we see her arrive at
the Pelican for her meeting, the restaurant the Pelican for
her meeting, and that's where she meets Martin Salasar and
as she's you know, getting adjusted and sitting down, she
mentions that she ordered the truffle pizza. She knows that

(30:36):
his time is valuable, so she ordered it beforehand because
it takes forty minutes to prepare, and that the waiter
comes by to offer them water, and when he walks away,
Martin comments on the waiter's body odor, like damn, does
he even wear deodorant? And that's when we notice that
Sema notices that it's not the waiter that's thinking, Oh

(30:58):
it is that's in that restaurant smelling ripe, and.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Me, my heart hurt. Okay, why because like once you
I guess it's a it's a personal thing. But for me,
if you're musty to me, once, you're ever musty to me.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You know, they said that's a black people thing, is it? Yes,
they said that that's like a running joke that black
people define you by your worst moments. Culturally, if you're
musty once, they'd be like, which you talking about musty
Denver And it was like you were you had one
bad day eight years ago, you talking about musty Denver.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yes, yes, and I will expect it every time I
see it, even if you don't, I'll expect it. My
heart hurt for her.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think you give people a little grace because like,
what if someone has a day where their breath isn't
the freshest, they are not then marked forever like stinking breath,
so and so that they're not marked by that unless
it's like holoto is bad tooth.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
The chances are if your breath is rank one day,
it's probably ranked most days. I disagree, and I feel
like chances are if you're a rank when you hug
me once, you're gonna be ranked when you hug me again.
And I don't think that I've ever been disproven and
that I feel like everybody who have assumed musty from
henceforth out has been musty from henceforth out down, honestly,

(32:20):
because I'm trying to think of like, no, it's pretty
much I've.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Had both instances where people have been forever must I've
never had anyone. Well, there's one girl I went to
high school with who have consistent bad breath, but most
people is like, you know, it's a bad day, especially
if I if it's not a first impression. We've all
had a garlic bread or a or an onion.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
But also that is different from breath.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
But also think it's situational, like if you hug me
in your musty and like you're walking home from the gym,
that's kind of expected, right, right, But if you're like
at a meeting.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
If it's a Monday morning at a coffee shop.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You you know what I mean, that's yeah, that's a
bit different. But well it's just like damn Sema.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I also well, I'll get to this after I talk
about this scene. So Seema notices that as her and
in a panic, she gets up and excuses herself to
the restroom. But of course the restrooms are not communal,
they're individual, and someone's in there, and so Sema becomes
the woman that she just was making fun of last
episode with putting deodorant on in public. But what inherently
makes Seema's a little bit more permissible is that she's

(33:27):
doing it in private, in public. It's discreet in public.
She's not sitting at a table, you know, putting on
her deodorant.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Now, yeah, who cares? I just put it on.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
But I will say is that I'm glad she did
not get rid of her travel stick. Her travel deodorant
roll on me too. And for me, I have in
my notes like I've tried this before, and I've never
tried the crystal or rubbing lemons under my arms, but
I have tried the aluminum free deodorant, and it broke
my underarm out so bad. I need the illuminum. Like
it made my under arms kind of burn in a

(34:00):
little itchy. Yes, it broke it tore my under arms up,
and I was like, no, I need the aluminum. And uh,
there's also a trick that I learned from way back
when on the Tyra Banks Show that I always carry
with me when when things like this come up. If
you ever if there's ever a point in your life
where you look up and you forgot deodorant, because this

(34:22):
has happened to me, rushing to get out the house,
especially when I had a nine to five. If I've
had a long night and you know you shower, you're
not and I'm getting glam hit the door and you
realize that you don't have deodorant on. Go to the
restroom and put the liquid soap under your arm. Now,
it's not gonna last all day, but it will buy

(34:43):
you sometime. It immediately kills odor. Shout out to Tyra Banks.
That's where I learned that tip from.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Interesting now kills odor.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But it has to be the liquid soap, not the
soap that you pump in its phony. No, it's got
to be like the gel. And you put that under
your arms. No water, don't add water. You put it
on your arms and it kills odor, and it buys
you a few more hours instead of sitting there, you know,
being like you know somebody couldn't.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And check it. Let me tell you I wear aluminum
free theodor.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Really I do.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And there's kind of a there's a couple of tricks
to it. One they're not all the same.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Did you have a rough transition from aluminum to aluminum free?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
So there is an adjustment period. There's an adjustment period
of like two weeks where you don't really stink, but
you're definitely like, okay, this I can't tell this is
working the way it should then after that it's smooth sailing.
But and I've been using it for years, it never fails.
After a few months, maybe like four or five months,

(35:43):
it just stops working. Then I have to switch to
another brand. Like there's like three or four that I
have to like rotate. It just it just fucking stops, right,
that's you know what.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's another thing. I'm not a sweaty person. Like I
know people who are like sweaty people. I'm not a
sweaty person. And I noticed that with aluminum free deodorant,
I was sweating under my arms.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh yeah, doesn't stop the sweat at all. Like the
anti pre sprint is what's in the aluminum odorant.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Aluminum free doesn't have the anti persprint component to it,
so it just.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It just stops older.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Correct. But that is also why I have an aluminium
stick for events dinners when I'm going to be really social,
just because I don't have time to play those games either.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, so I have interesting Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Interesting. Well I'm glad Sima was able to recover. And
you know, I would have put on a little bit
of perfume too, shp okay. Nevertheless, damn, I said it again.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You got to stop counting because you're just gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I know, every time I off my tongue, I'm like,
I said it. It's only because someone brought it to
my attention.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's the worst.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Nevertheless, so much, and I'm like, do I really it's fine. Well,
now we get our next scene and we're with Joy
and Miranda and they're getting ready for dinner, like Miranda's
setting the table and Joy notices that her ungama gin
is missing, and that's when Miranda admits that she threw
it out because she was afraid to have it in

(37:14):
the house, and she finally confesses to Joy about her alcoholism.
And what I loved about this scene is I felt
that Joy balanced it out by meeting vulnerability with vulnerability.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I agree now when Miranda was kind of joking at
first about what happened to it, and I was like, girl,
I hope you don't think this is actually gonna work.
So when she finally did come clean and she sat
down and Joy sat down, I was ready for like
anger from Joy, like a frustration. I think Miranda was
a frustration.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
At one point. Miranda was a little tense. You know,
you heard the silverwar clank, and I think she was
you never know which way the wind is gonna blow.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
With Joy no, And then she was like, okay, let
me think. I thought she was about to like come
back with a joke at that point of okay, well,
she's clearly she just doesn't care at all. So then
when she switched into her baggage or why she drinks.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I was like, oh, oh, which I want to do
more into that. What you're running from? Joy, You feel
like you have bad of a person that you got
to have drinks? What?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
What?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
What? What's your what's your lore? What's your back?

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I mean, I think she's just like an uptight person
who you know, works in her field, and I feel
she probably feels judged a lot mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Or maybe she's heard critique sometimes, you know, when someone
criticizes you, it can stick with you for a long time.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
You know. Maybe she says nevertheless, too much and somebody
told her.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, and she needs a drink as a result. Maybe so,
maybe so and so. I enjoyed that scene and that
was just like the writers. I felt like tossing us,
you know, keeping us up with Miranda and also putting
a bow on the end of the Ungavajin storyline. I'm
glad that we didn't drag out Miranda telling Joy she
was an alcoholic or not. Like I'm glad that that

(39:00):
did when it did.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
So now we're in the editing bay with Mary and
and LTW and they're working okay, they're getting some work done.
And that's when she gets a call from Herbert and
she wants to know if y'all been listening to this show.
Y'all already know before I even say it that this
scene pissed me off.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh, I know, it pissed me off.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
It pissed me off. I mean, Herbert calls and interrupts
her work day, and he calls to let her know
that he gained a pound. And I warned you about that,
Angel Hair. I was so annoyed because Herbert is so
inconsiderate and needy. I don't care what anyone says. I
know that for what it's worth, like that's their marriage dynamic.

(39:39):
But it just seems like LTW just sacrifices so much
and Herbert never meets her halfway.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well, I think things two things. One, he's a grown
ass man, so self control, donate the pasta number one.
Number two. We just went through a situation where you
blew her phone up for something toopid. She didn't answer,
her dad died. So wouldn't you be a little more considerate?
Wouldn't you be a little bit more considerate in when
you call and what you call for? Talk about it?

(40:09):
How would you not pull something from that as as
a partner?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Good point, Denver, good point. But it goes to show
to me that reiterates just how much, if of of
how much he is just in his own little world.
He's not zooming out and looking and really considering her
or her time or her feelings. It's all about him
all the damn time. That's what I get from Herbert,
and that's what it.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
What did he want her to do about it?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, he said, I warned you about that angel hair.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Okay, but you already ate it the pounds already there.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Suffer and be on dietary restrictions because he apparently is
a stress eater, which is fine. I've been a stress
sometimes too. So you had two things to say just now?
Denver and LTW had two things to say to Herbert.
The first, if we just I'm at work. The second
of which is oz ethic get off my life. And
she she hung up, no bye, no, I love you.

(41:06):
It's click as she should and I think that seriously
almost stood up and clapped me too.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
It was the most appropriate answer. I mean, but we
should probably take a break here.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think let's take a break.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Cool all right, and we're back. And if I'm not mistaken,
we are picking up with Carrie and Duncan going over
there notes.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, we're in Duncan's kitchen and these two are exchanging
notes and there's a knock at the door. And what
I love is because this ties into our our theory.
Earlier in the episode, Duncan says, it's your man.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
With me, but didn't like barely shifted, like didn't break,
don't play with me anything.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
But that's what makes him so swaggy, like, don't play
with MANU.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Hard when I heard that knock too.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Because you knew it was some Aiden is such a nuisance.
So Carrie goes to the door and Aiden's got juicy
t bone steaks and he's insisting there's more than enough
food for the three of them. He wants to make dinner.
He's being really, really pushy and Carrie is standing firm.
We good, we didn't know. He doesn't want steaks, he

(42:26):
doesn't want dinner. Carry even then tells Aiden to just
start without her, go, I don't know how long I'm
going to be here. What I love about this is Carrie.
To me, this symbolized two things. Carrie is slowly but
surely getting more and more over the idea of aided.
And also Carrie is not sacrificing or trading in her

(42:47):
plans to accommodate him, in which like we would have
seen Carrie do that. I think we would have seen
Carry do that even a season or two ago, within
this very show, not even Sex and the City within
and just like that, in.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Probably episode two of this season, she probably would have no.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Sh absolutely absolutely absolutely when when when the when the
alarm passed code was Carrie and Aiden, she would have
definitely sacrificed. So we see Carrie as a character coming
more into her own right. There's been mixed reactions to
to spicy Carrie, but I've been enjoying it because it's
an evolution for me. It is it is.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But even in this interaction, she's being so delicate, she
is like she's she's coddling his feelings. No, it's okay,
she's she's he's just getting on my nerves. Yeah, and
she's like, you can see why through the shit he's
trying to pull. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh, absolutely, we're gonna be like And then imagine if
she had greenlit this right, Aiden would have interrupted their
entire debrief.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Say medium do you want butter? What else do you want?

Speaker 1 (43:54):
And then you know, all, oh you all don't eat
seasoning in London or you don't you know, you can
smell this, it's great and so yeah, Carrie, she wraps
that up and returns to her note session with Duncan.
Then we end up. We go from Duncan's kitchen to
Anthony's kitchen and Anthony and Gia are having dinner. They're

(44:16):
having risotto that Anthony mentions that he spent like the
night before seasoning the mushrooms to perfection, but Geo grabs
them salt and pepper shakers because apparently they weren't seasoned
enough for her. And I have in my notes lmao
in all caps because when she grabbed them salt and
pepper shakers, good old okay, So I wish I would

(44:37):
have brought it over here, but I'm not gonna grab it.
And during the pandemic, I got a box, like a
pr box delivered to my home from some type of
Pride thing, and there is a vodka. Okay, So I
was like that illustration. It's not his full body, but

(44:58):
it's like the and I was like this, it's kind
of to me, right. It looked a little bit problematic.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Feelings like legendary, like old cruising art.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
There's a lot like it was giving me like hats
and very like the police thing, and like the thick
musk it was giving me bars. Oh okay, I don't
know what type of vodka it was, because it was
giving me nineteen thirties Germany. If you pick up like
the illustration looked a little.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
No, it's old cruising thinking cruising New York, nineteen eighties,
leather bar. Hell, they've given it to me for happy Pride.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That's what you told me.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I thought about I thought about doing that for Halloween
for Halloween one year.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
But the illustration comes to light the boots.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
And yeah, I saw somebody else do it. I was like, oh, well,
never mind, but I did think about it. Maybe well.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I thought this was was hilarious his salt and penis shakers,
as Gia later calls them, but she says, I owe
you an apology. I haven't been easy on you. Anthony
then says, what exactly is the problem, and that's when
Gia explains that Giuseppe's father was thirty years her senior.
And throughout this entire scene she's projecting on to Anthony

(46:17):
because even he's like, what that got to do with me?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
But I will say, like when she was explaining it,
I kind of understood where she was coming from. Oh
for sure, Like if that were my story, I wouldn't
want my son in love with a sixty two year
old man. Also, how old is this man?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
How old is Anthony?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yes? I think he was, I think too.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Final answer, Yeah, I think that that's the reality of it. Okay,
because he's not that much older than Charlotte, and Charlotte
we know, has not reached her sixtieth yet.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, that brings me to my second question. What is
this apartment?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
He says it's rent controlled in the yellow and whatever,
Like it's New York City. You always talk about New
York City real estate.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, I just feel like it's sixty at sixty two.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
York City.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, but everybody else is in New York City too,
and they're not necessarily in that type.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Of Well, Carrie would have been still in her apartment
if it wasn't for bigs life insurance money.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, but her apartment wasn't Anthony's apartment. I'm just saying
it just felt.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I think what's throwing you off is the colors of
the wall, maybe because it was like yellow, like because
the kitchens were small. Carrie's current kitchen is too small
for that big ass Grammarcy house, like you know, like
it's New York.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
From there, like I said, she explains also that you know,
she was in her prime, and in her prime, she
had to become a caregiver. You know, young lover an
old man is not something she wants for her. Giuseppe
Anthony is insistent that he loves Giuseppe, and that's when
Gia drops the accent and cuts to the chase, asking Anthony,
what's his price? What's it going to cost you to

(48:03):
get the f out of Guseeppe's life? Name name a price?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Now that that act and drop it gaged me?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, it did it reminded me of Vanessa Williams character
in the Tyler Perry movie. Oh yeah, Lette and congreten.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Somebody else just did it on drag Race this past
season two and oh really yeah, I can't remember who want.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Well Anthony. Anthony goes off right, He's like, you're not
you know, doesA Gianna almato from Rome or even Gias.
Yeah it was my autocorrect, said Brunette. But that's not
what the word was. But Gia Brunette from Buffalo, you're
my manipulative aunt. Michaelina, the Boston bookie with the beard,

(48:52):
and like, these two are about to come to blows.
It's emotional blows, I should say, because Jia gets so
emotionally charged up this she just throws everything off the table,
which I was like, as a therapist, it's never that serious. Well,
to your point, Anthony stands up and says, someone needs
a good therapist. No, any I thought that that was.

(49:17):
I mean, therapists are people.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Too, they are. However, I mean, I guess it's a
common trope, Like I think we see it all the time,
Like we have the therapists who loses this shit? Yeah,
you know, so I guess I'm not that surprised. I
just I think I was surprised by her.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Well, she slips back into character and it's like, oh,
let me clean this up, and she grabs a knife,
and of course the commotion causes Giuseppe to them come
into the kitchen because he hears commotion, he comes into
check and he walks in on his mother holding a
knife up to his lever, and that's when Gia tells Giuseppe.

(49:53):
She says, it's an Italian that basically she is going
to cut him off for the foreseeable future. She will
not support his New York City lifestyle until he leaves
Anthony and maybe then they can revisit this conversation.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
She should and I hope that means she's gone for
the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Oh god, yes, Now why do you say that she
should cut him off?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Because I feel like, if you can't be in my
life and be supportive, then you need to be out
of it. And if you're going to remove yourself, then
I feel like you need to remove all ties that
ways just clean, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And to your point about not wanting that true and
to your point about not wanting things for your child
that you had for yourself, like having them to go
through things. I think that that does a disservice to
the journey, right, Like, yeah, we don't want people to
trip in and you know, and scar their knee, But
tripping and scarring your knee in various forms is a

(50:47):
right of passage, is part of life. So we and
she she hasn't even taken the time to get to
to understand or know some of the nuances with their
relationship because she's so busy with projecting her own experiences
on her son. She don't Anthony is not Giuseppe's father,
so you can't project that, and Giuseppe is not Jia.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
They're nobody's also. But it's also sixty two and not rich,
and you know, not the most attractive person. So if
I saw my son and what is in his twenties person,
I'd be like, what do we mean? What are we doing? Yeah?
But what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Also, Denver, you're the one who always brings up c nuances.
It's a different day and age, and this is a
gay couple. I'd venture to say that maybe gay couples
operate in different capacities than cis Heck, couples do because
of the delayed what's it called when when gay the
second adolescens? Yeah, so he might be sixty two physically

(51:43):
in age, but maybe not sixty two like because of
the delayed too physically.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'm a bit more forgiving with this relationship. I don't
look at it. I don't think it's fair for Gia
to project as harshly as she is. These are two
totally different circumstances. So now we get Carrie returning. It's
late as hell and Carrie is finally going home. When
she enters her kitchen, she sees that the steaks, those
expensive steaks, are on the counter seasoned and uncooked, which

(52:13):
would have pissed me off, because don't dirty.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Up my kitchen. Why are you leaving this meat out
all night? Like are we not gonna eat it tomorrow?
You just wanted to go to waste. Just wanted to
go to waste.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It could have been in saran wrap and in the
refrigerator or in a container. But it's not only passive aggressive,
but I'm someone who that would have sent me over
the edge, because do not dirty up my kitchen. Do
not dirty up my kitchen. You didn't even attempt to
put stuff away. It's garlic, clothes and shit all over
to cutting board, like, you don't do that. And it's

(52:47):
New York City. On top of that, you're inviting critters.
We just had it wrapped in the backyard, that part.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
That part, And so when I saw it, I thought, Okay, well,
maybe he just fell asleep. Maybe he was preparing and
he maybe he just fell asleep.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
You maybe he's taking a pee break.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Maybe he's in the bathroom, you know, maybe just sitting
in the corner just mad, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
No, Instead, he's upstairs in the bed, staring at the ceiling.
He's wide awake. And Carrie doesn't even I give her credit,
because the first words out of my mouth is, so,
what what we're gonna do with all this meat in
the kitchen? What we're gonna do with these sticks? Hey boo,
what we're gonna do with these sticks? She doesn't even
address it, right, She is relieved that. She's like, oh, good,

(53:33):
you're you're awake. Carrie then thanks him for being so understanding,
and she crawls in bed and nestles up under him
for a good cuddle. And that's when Aiden makes the
grave mistake. Still deep in his feelings. Huh uh, get
away from me, you smell like smoke. Go take a shower.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Now you know, I do not defend Aiden, but that no, no,
we're not doing this. I was like, Okay, at list,
he's being honest in this in this moment like that that,
oh no, is probably what he should have done in
regard to dunk it a long time ago. Yeah, sort
of acting like a child. So I appreciated the fact
that he was actually verbally fed up. Everything finally matched.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
That was the window to have the conversation was right there,
because he still was childish saying get you know, get
away from me, you smell like smoke, Go take a shower,
like it was cool. And we visibly see Carrie for
myself in that. We visibly see Carrie sit up and
kind of snap her neck because I saw myself in that.

(54:36):
Don't worry literally that's me. Don't worry about it. Don't
worry about it, like that's me coming down to earth.
Don't okay, don't worry about it. And so what I
have in my notes is we didn't see, you know,
Carrie out of the shower. Her hair is wet and
she's walking to the guest bedroom. And I said, now,
if you zoom out and really look at that scene, right,

(54:57):
it's so much deeper than what it was, because you
do you do some of the most. And this is
a common trope that everyone always talks about. Decisions are
made in the shower.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Oh, absolutely, the mind gets to whether you.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Got music playing or you're showering in silence and just
letting the pitter pattern of the water be therapeutic. Your
mind is you got a million tabs up in the shower.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Everybody does, right, She knew she wasn't going back into
that bedroom. She knew exactly, She knew exactly what point
she was gonna make, She knew where she was gonna poke,
she knew where would land. She knew.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I should also mention when you wash your hair. On
top of that, there's songs about that. I'm gonna wash
that man right out of my hair. Shout out to
Diana Ross. Washing your hair is sacred, no pun intended,
that's sacred ritual.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Well, it's funny because when she got in bed in
the road with the wet hair, which a thought to myself,
do women actually go to sleep with wet hair?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Just explos like that I mean, but Carrie, you know
she likes rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Well, so in my mind, I'm like, okay, so she's
just she's prepared for she's.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Because you're forgetting, You're forgetting. Before she got in bed,
she went into that guest room and she slammed the door. Yeah,
that's the signal that not only am I out of
the shower, I'm not coming.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
To her to the master suite, he's coming. He's coming.
All right, it's oh man, that was funny.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
So Aiden, of course goes to check on her and insists.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
He's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Come back to bed? And she says, no, you told
me to get away again. Another you of Carrie. This
is the new Carry. Season three has ushered in a
new Carrie Bradshaw.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, she she she, I was triggered.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Why would you triggered, Denver?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Because I think I've been on both ends of that
type of argument or tiff. Yeah, you know I've been
to Aiden was like, okay, now I'm not doing this,
you know, just go and I've been the Okay, I
got you watch this. I've been I've been in both.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I was triggered in this episode. But I'll tell you
why at the end. It has nothing to do with
this scene. But I do know that I this is
something that I've clocked a long time ago, actually with
the help of therapy, is that I'm so invested in peacemaking.
I think about how Miranda just tried to shut down
that weird conversation with Kerry. I'm like, okay, girl, you
got it. Like I feel like if I would have
reacted in a way that Aiden would have reacted, my

(57:34):
knee jerk would have would be going immediately into apology.
If you're in the guest room and like you told
me to go away, like I would have definitely crawled
in that bed and been like, I'm so sorry. I
didn't mean it like that. I just had a moment
like that's.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
My knee jerk.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
But also being sincere it's not performative like i'd be
like really, like I was just irritated, Like I go
into over explaining and apologizing.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, no, I think I would have slept on it,
and then much like Aiden, the next morning, which I'm
sure you're about to get into, just started fresh.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
So well, well, speaking of the next morning, I'm very
of Carrie because until we have conversations there is no
starting fresh, Negro. Now, so where are we at?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Okay, So the next morning Aiden is in a good
mood and he's making breakfast. Carrie isn't interested. Okay, she's
going for a walk. And this just piggybacks off of
my last comment. I am unwilling. There is no way.
I think because I come from a family that has
the conversation, I have been primed to not be to

(58:41):
be unafraid of uncomfortable conversations. I am confrontational. That's not
necessarily a negative. I think people paint that as a negative.
But I am so determined because I know I'll spiral.
I know I will try trying to fill in the
gaps and stuff. Why do that when I can just
ask you and then make my decision from there. But
I am going there's no way that we're starting fresh
without having a conversation. There's no way that Shar is

(59:03):
just going to move to the next moment or the
next whatever. I might do it in the moment, because
there's a time and a place for everything, But we
are going to have a conversation. No one can ever
say that Shar. If there's ever a hiccup, or we're
not speaking anymore. No one will ever be They don't
know why, right, I just stopped calling, you know, a

(59:25):
year ago, and I guess we just kind of faded up.
No one will ever be able to say that because
you'll know why, because I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I mean, I mean, if there's a real issue, I
feel like people will know why. But I mean, in this,
in this instance, I feel like I would as I do.
Sometimes I'll move on and then I'll circle back, like
I'll make sure like temperatures are like I'll make sure
temperatures are calm and then be after breakfast. Okay, so
we can talk about this now, Okay, Okay, I won't.

(59:51):
I won't go right into it. Also, I think my
peace offering, like my love language, is like a peace offering.
Getting into it. Next morning, we'll get up, I'll make breakfast,
I'll make your favorite thing, just to kind of signal like, hey,
I'm really not that mad. So whatever it is is
not that deep. So you know, once I test the
waters and kind of see where we are, Okay, let's

(01:00:13):
just talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
See you have to you'd have to prompt me, you'd
have to say, can we talk about this. You can't
make breakfast like, hey, I'm making breakfast. Is if nothing
ever happened. That's what's gonna piss me off. If it's like, hey,
I'm making breakfast. Can we talk about last night? You
got you can't?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah, see it's cool, Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I'm just gonna say, let us know what you all think.
I know the YouTube comments are going to probably have
something to say about this, but also feel free to
call in and speakpipe dot com slash for just like that,
let us know. Are you leaning more so towards how
Denver might navigate something like this, or how I might
navigate something like this. I'm curious, genuinely am curious to know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I mean, and I will say my relationship now,
I feel like Dante is more than likely the one
to be like, so we don't talk about yesterday. Yeah,
but after we've kind of moved on for a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Actually, we have to get we have to get in
a better, better headspace, otherwise it just doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I actually mentioned you you all last night. I was
at a friend's birthday party and there was a woman
there who I'll tell you later because she's she's known
I don't want to tell her business. But she's a
Leo as well, and she is married to an Ari's
And I said, I have a friend who's who's you
know in a relationship and she was like, her two

(01:01:36):
best friends are Capricorns, and I was like, I don't
know what it is about the damn Leo Capricorn. I
think we work best as friends. I'll put it that.
I don't know how Michelle and Barack do it, but
I think platonic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Friends work space space.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
So, uh yeah, Carrie goes for a walk, and well,
she says she's going to go for a walk, but
before she does, they get into a bit of an argument,
much to what Denver and I were just talking about,
because Carrie distinctly asked him not to talk to Duncan.
And that's when Aiden gets defensive and says that I
was standing on the terrace and Duncan came outside and

(01:02:11):
Carrie gagged. She clocked the hell out of her. Why
were you on the terrace? You don't smoke, Why were
you on the terrace?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Admit we actually have no business out there, young man, And.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Aiden tried, Lord knows, he tried talking about he wanted
some fresh air and Carrie's not buying it. She's calling
me window, She's calling bs. Admit, you know you're worried
about me and another man. That's what this all is. This,
that's what all this neighbor business is about. Let's call
it a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Glad she said it. I'm glad. She had the same
energies you had from Miranda for Age in that kitchen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
We love Carrie, I love I do like New Carrey.
The next scene, I was like, girl, I know that's
right because I do the same thing, clearing my head
with a little retail therapy or as she told Daniel,
she's just looking today. That was literally me. Nothing was wrong.
But this past weekend I took myself to lunch and
swung by Sephora, and I was testing new products and
formulas and textures on my head, like I need it.

(01:03:08):
I need stuff like that to just sometimes just escape
from the Yeah, I love it them. Well, I was
listening to my own music, and here's my thing. I
go through the app because sometimes things on the internet
look different than in person. So what I what I
was doing is I was going to different stations or

(01:03:29):
whatever and playing around with formulas and things and so
I was going into the app at the same time
and bookmarking what my color will.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Be A basket?

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Well, I always grab a basket because I get tired
of them, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I'm like, I saw I saw on TikTok. They there's
a I guess a theory that if they think you're
stealing in the basket.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Or that was not granted, that was like in two
thousand and nine. That was not a theory. But we
were watching people, you know, so and so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well I'm getting clothes, like whom to hold? Is it
the register for you? Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And I have a I didn't know if I encountered
some racial things. When I was at Sephora this past trip.
I literally called a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
And I was like, am I tripping?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Because it was subjective, but basically, in a nutshell, I
did end up purchasing two things, right, and I'm someone
I have a Sephora credit card. And the woman when
she was ringing me up and I promise I'll keep
this brief, but she was ringing me up and instead
of ringing me up at the computers, you know they
have those phones now, yeah, yeah, the little hand panel.

(01:04:33):
So she's like, what's your phone number? I give her
my phone number. I have a lot of points at
Sepphori and so, and I feel like that was my thing.
I was like, I feel like I could see if
I was in here, like no makeup, like I had
on sweats, but I look like how I do now,
for example, like I had on my makeup and stuff.
And I said I had just taken myself to lunch
and she was like, can I get that phone number again?

(01:04:53):
And I felt like she was looking at my points
and like, no way type thing right. And so then
she's will that be card or cash? And I said
it'll be card And I hand her my Sephora credit
card and she says, oh, this one doesn't have tap.
Do you have your ID? And I said, yeah, mind

(01:05:14):
you when you look up my information on my picture's there.
So she asked her my ID, and she takes my
ID and she scans the back of it with the
little phone with the mobile thing. She scans it and
then she flips it around. And when she flipped it around,
I'm like, I wonder what she's slipping it around for
because it's a credit card, so there's no pen number
and the prompt is for me to enter my social

(01:05:35):
I said, I'm not entering my like all these verificating
mind you, the two products that I purchased totaled to
be about seventy dollars. They were both like thirty five
dollars apiece.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
My thing is, if it did have tap, she would
have just tapped it and moved on. So because it
didn't have tap all this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I told her I'm not entering my social Security number
for this question. Oh I'm sorry. So she goes to
grab another I don't know if their computers were down what,
but she goes to grab Ananda when the transaction goes through,
But I was very firm with her, like very firm,
I'll take a paper receipt, Like, don't it just felt
So I called my friend on the way. I just

(01:06:11):
had a weird exchange at Sephora that felt a little.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, I hate those that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, but you need you're very If I'm standing in
front of you, I look the exact same on my
ID all of those like it was. It was like anyway,
so yeah, that's right, Carrie. So yeah, I think she
was because she wasn't that cute. I'll tell you that much.

(01:06:38):
So then we get a cameo from well, I guess
it's not a cameo, but Andy Cohen's in this episode
and he's reprising his role from Sex and the City, Daniel,
the shoe salesman. And I feel like this was just
such a this scene wasn't I didn't care. It was
just shoved Sarah, Jessica Hook and her friend up because

(01:06:59):
they are good jew She and Andy co And are
said Candy, She and Andy coe And are good friends.
And so I was like, oh, look at Andy so
and But in this moment, she gets a text from
Aiden inviting her to lunch at their favorite spot or
that spot that they love around the corner, and she goes. Now,
when she arrives here, I should mention Carrie's outfit. The

(01:07:21):
fashion again was fast woo. The hair was Haring, the
hair was Harry hair. It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It was a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
But yeah, so she she goes to meet him for
lunch and that's when Aiden comes clean. I have to
say I love the writing in this scene because this
ties into the title of the episode present tense, because
Aiden says he does have trust issues when it comes

(01:07:51):
to carrying other men, and before he can finish his sentence,
she interrupts, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait you said do you mean
half or half? Like which tents are you using? Baby?
And what I love is He's like, it's it's just
a word. And Carrie's like, it's not just a word
I have in all caps, you know, the famous hashtag.

(01:08:11):
Words mean things because they mean things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
They do, they do, they do, And.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
He's like, sorry, I'm not a writer like you and
Sherlock Holmes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
He's still also triggered. Okay, I've been on the receiving
end of that type of argument too, because you know,
like if, if, and not even just like my actual relationship,
just with friends, just in general, like if we're having
it out, words do mean things, So you have to
say what you mean, and you have to mean what
you say, you know, and you know, I think that

(01:08:40):
there have been times where I have caught these little
subtle word shifts that completely change for me what we're
arguing about or how deep it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And as someone who is a journalist, you can't play
this game with me. No, I'm catching everyone catching every word.
You can't play this game with me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
No, I want to run a back to you, don't
then use a different word, because that's not what you
were even trying to say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Because communication is our partner, clarity is our friend. The
one thing I'm going, yeah, yeah, oh no, noney.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I know what you said, and i know what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
And I'm glad that she clocked it in real time,
because it's someone like Aiden could manipulate her and say
that I didn't say that she saw and clocked it
in real time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
And so, uh, this is when Carrie cracks. She'd not
even interested in the iced tea, She's not placing an order.
She gets up in storms off, and you know he's
following her. Carrie, just stop. And that is when she
goes in and calls him out on his jealousy and
suspicion and she oh wait. Before she gets up, he's like,

(01:09:46):
can you fucking blame me? And she said, can you
stop blaming me? And I have in my notes that
you know we are We're not responsible for what happens
to us, but we are responsible for our triggers. And
much to your point earlier, like I'm not siding with Aiden,
but my grace for him comes in in this moment
because sometimes we don't know what will trigger us until

(01:10:09):
we get triggered.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
What happened with him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I mean, and to be fair, like they haven't
really been in a situation where they had to navigate
post her cheating on him and the presence of another guy,
So all of these emotions they're they're kind of new.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
To that point. They haven't even had any real conversations.
I mean, look at the giant misunderstanding they had around
that whole five year for five years thing, Like they're
not having real mature It's like they're at a different
spot in life right now. But the conversation or the
level of intimacy that's coming in their conversation is reflective
of twenty years ago when they first stated they're not

(01:10:50):
having but also conversation now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
But also like, you don't it's all uncharged territory, so
you don't know what conversations you need. You don't even
know what conversations you need to have because huh, we're
just out here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
That that is true. It also reminded me of the
trope that people always say that you know when it
comes to circling the block and X is an X
for a reason I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I
don't know if you do, because people are capable of
evolution and change, but it takes you to be very

(01:11:21):
intentional and crystal. Like I said, communication is our partner,
clarity is our friend.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if
I subscribe or not subscribe to that. I've never been
in the situation. But I mean again, I think it
kind kind of comes back to no about of change
can prepare two people for a brand new situation, both
of them, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I understand Carrie being offended because you know, Aiden's hanging
a twenty year old mistake over her head like this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You know, I've never seen Carrie crash out like this, well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
New Carrie in public?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, Well she crashed out on Miranda in public.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Did she? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
I'm thinking about the movie when they went out for
Valentine's Day man ended up Yeah. True, true, true. So
and to your point, I have in all caps, they're
having a public spat. Carrie is pissed. She has done
everything to show him how fully committed she is to him.
She's moved mountains, she's moved apartments, she's sacrificed so much.
And I had to write this line down because she

(01:12:18):
I have oop, she said, I have agreed to arrangements
that you yourself can even live up to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Well, let's let's laid out. Let's lay it out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I love this, Carrie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I love at your ex wife and getting mad because
I'm for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Real, be for real, and you you presented it to
me like you had to slip up with Kathy, because
why it's acting up like be for real? And I
know I wasn't protected. You know, certain people think they're
immune to certain things, but I know I won't protected.
So uh, when it comes to present, When it comes

(01:12:55):
to presentents, Carrie says, I was one hundred percent in.
And that's when Aiden says, whoa whoa wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait. Now the tables have
turned and he wants to know. Now now it's not
just a word right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Aiden want out there right now now, it matters.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Now matters, says, was one hundred percent in or are
one hundred percent in?

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
And I thought he was being petty at first. I
thought it was kind of being petty. I thought it
was just trying to flip it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I didn't get that from this scen I didn't get
that from that same at first.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I did, and I was like, oh, here you go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Carrie, the writer who understands the gravity of words, doubles
down and says, was I can't give you any more
than I have and it wasn't enough. She mentions all
the family stuff she should have, and Aiden says, again

(01:13:52):
centering himself, but I need a hundred I need one
hundred percent, and Carrie says, so do I do? I
can we sit on that for a moment because the
writing was writing, the lines were lining. I loved everything
about this scene.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
It was poetic, Yes, yes, yes it was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
It was poetry in motion. It was God, it was
so good. It was so so so good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
And go ahead, Denver, I was gonna say, because I
don't think that I have been let me back up.
You know, I've been waiting for this moment all season. Yeah,
and I didn't expect it to have the emotional heaviness
that it did. And I'm satisfied, Like I'm so satisfied. Yeah, Like,

(01:14:44):
I'm so satisfied. I think I have been all caps rejoice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
What I will say to that point is I'm glad
that because we talked about this a few weeks ago.
I'm glad that it's Carrie that did it and not Aiden,
because you said that Aiden was going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I think that was your prediction. I'm glad that Carrie
finally pulled the trigger on this. And speaking of trigger,
this was the scene that triggered me because it's so
hard to walk away, but sometimes it's so necessary. You're
just losing more and more of yourself. You're draining more
and more of yourself and again to that point of

(01:15:15):
poetry and motion, it can be so painful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Even Aiden mentions I really thought we were going to
work out this time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And even that's so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Yeah, it's sobering. It so all the bulls to decide,
it's very sobering.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Sound like an emotional way. It was kind of sad
and like I don't want to sound like pathetic, but
like I thought we were gonna work this time. Like Okay,
I wonder if.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
It's one of those comic relationships that the TikTok girlies
be talking about, because how do you define how do
you define this? Like she gives him one final hug,
and emotions are running high. But I'm so proud of
our girl. For me, I'm saying for this, not for me.
I'm so proud of her for walking away. And she

(01:15:58):
stopped lying to herself in that moment about the quality
or lack thereof, of that relationship, because we saw Carrie
essentially gaslighting herself most of this season a relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
She was laying it out, you know, bringing up the
family and stuff. I'm like, okay, great, so she didn't
know all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Along, Yeah she knew, Yeah she knew, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
She knew. Duncan opened her eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
So then we see Carrie. Our next scene, Carrie is
removing all of the Virginia paraphernalia from her refrigerator and
you know, she's getting her house back together for herself.
We see her putting her pillows, her extra pillows back up,
we see shoe coming out of the room. She got
the room back, and then we end with Carrie. We

(01:16:47):
see Carrie a glamour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Shot, of course, the glamorous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
We've gotten some good glamour shots of Carrie in the
night life, crossing the street, remember the one when she
was meeting up with Lassett.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
I literally have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
She's walking and she's meeting up with Charlotte, Miranda, and Sema.
It looks like for drinks and dinner. I'm glad that
Charlotte appears to be doing better. Hopefully the vertigo won't
be mentioned next episode.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, and I realized it's our first group scene all episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Yeah, it is. It is. And you know, normally I
don't write down Carrie like the former seasons when it
was and just like that, I became myself again, I
would do that, but I felt it necessary to write
this one down because her voice over says the woman
had thought that she and her love were very present,

(01:17:39):
but now realized they were still locked in the past,
which meant, of course, they had no future bars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
So I wonder where we are with her book now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I think that book is going to make sense because
Miranda clock did a few episodes ago. You're writing about yourself,
but you're putting it in a eighteen sixty. You're writing
about yourself. The woman wondered what she had gotten herself into.
You're writing about your I feel like Carrie's lying to
herself with the subconscious writing that she's doing. That's where
the truth is. That's where the truth is. When she
cracks open that laptop and writes this fictional tale.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
That's where the truth is lause yeah yeah, yeah. Now
now question for you, uh huh. Now that Aiden and
carry are done finally, do you think she's going to
stay in this house? No?

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
And my reasons for that is and watch what happens live.
I think we talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
She was playing kind of koy about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
She was, and on top of that, to support my theory,
remember this house is not furnished. No, she has not
made a house a home. Yes, she got the table
and she got some runners, some rugs up in there,
but she and if she doesn't leave, I think Duncan's
gonna come on up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Well, I think my only I think thing Also adding
to the idea that she's going to go back is
we got that really random scene with Lisette in the
beginning she was talking about the apartment and all of that.
That just felt really random. I feel like that might
come back into play.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I honestly thought that the street that she and Aiden
were arguing on. I was like, is that the street
of the old apartment? Like that's what it looked like
to me. Maybe so, I mean, I don't know, but
how do you rate this episode Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Well, considering we are finally hopefully done with Aiden for good,
I'm going to give this one a nine. I'm going
to give it a nine. It was it was oddly satisfying,
even though it was short and Charlotte did that whole
weird back thing. I feel like we got to some
shit finally, you know what I mean. I heard Aiden
had it out, Aiden met Duncan, Carrie kind of got

(01:19:55):
some sense. Like I feel like everything finally just kind
of happened in this episode. Yeah. I kind of wish
every episode was this, I think like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Guess Kenzo wishes that too. You know. I give it
a nine as well. I really, I really enjoyed it
because of the poetry in motion. Honestly, this could have
been an episode that excluded everyone but Airy, Carrie, Aiden,
and Duncan, like their scenes were the most stand out
to me. They had the most impact. Everyone else's scene

(01:20:30):
seemed like it was just it served as a monkey
bar to another yeah, to another scene. And so well,
I actually take that back because I appreciated Miranda enjoy
resolving that. Because I did not need another episode about
alcohol ish versus alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yeah, but I feel like even that could have been
moved to last week's episode. It could have that episode
was like thirty something minutes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Yeah, but yeah, I loved like I said, I love
that poetry in motion, and I love that we're seeing
an example what I would define as a healthy example
of a woman who we've seen betray herself and her
and once in her needs a million times over over
the span of the last few decades. Now kind of
like stepping into her power as she's in her late fifties,

(01:21:16):
like really just being like I have nothing to lose,
I'm gonna be okay, and I'm about to just pull
the trigger on this goodbye, good riddance, and not letting
people manipulate and play with her like this is what
you said. Now. Granted, Carrie is still, you know, a
three dimensional character, and she is full of flaws like
all of our people are full of flaws. But I

(01:21:36):
love seeing her kind of stand in her power. That's
putting a battery in my back. And so I've been
loving spicy Carrie, as I've coined.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, and I'm excited to see where she goes next. Yeah,
just you know, emotionally just on whatever journey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
And I watched the teaser for next week. I can't
really remember much. I think Charlotte asks her about Duncan
and she kind of like freezes. I can't remember much though.
Like I said, it's been a long day. It's been
a long day. We want to hear from you all
per usual. Let us know it speakpipe dot com slash.
We're just like that. You can also, of course leave
us YouTube comments, which you all have been through a

(01:22:08):
lot of. And that's all I have for this week, Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I think that's all I have too. I mean again,
I'm satisfied, you know, Team Aiden, sorry to that man.
You know, I'm looking forward to hearing more about Lovelin's pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
And yeah, oh and I also hope that the deodorant
storyline is over with Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah. It feels beneath Sima.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but I'm glad she's having fun and
getting some good love.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I mean, maybe they'll compromise, like she can put some
wet wipes by the bed until before they do it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
She can just you know, I couldn't imagine, but you know,
I mean people do all different.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
You do what you do for your.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Speaking of which shout out to Laverne Cox, who's been
making the news. You said, you do what you do
for your man. I was like speaking, I instantly thought
of her. WHOA, if you don't know, look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Somehow I've crept back to Twitter, and I hate to
say that, but I kind of got sucked back in
and when that whole thing came up, I had like
this chunky chunky tweet and in response and right and
I was gonna hit the sound. I was like, you
know what, Nah, not even worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
How about everywhere I've gone since that devocle has happened,
people have what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Should I have been met?

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Because I'm not making no video, I'm not going live
my thoughts, and they are incredibly nuanced. I'm very disappointed,
though I won't go into it on the on the podcast, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
My thought was just how dare you a fifty three.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Year old black woman from Mobile, Alabama? I am unsurprised.
And yeah, like I said, I think it's very nuanced.
It goes into desirability, politics, it goes into commonality. It's layered,
it's layered, and I think that if you don't come

(01:24:06):
from a lived experience that's similar to or like hers.
You're not going to understand, You're not going to be
able to encapsolte some some of the things that the
girls choose to do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
I think I think there are two two components of this.
It's everything you mentioned as it pertains to her as
a person, and there's an entire separate side of her
needing to broadcast it. And yeah, it just that's a whole.
That's a whole. Yeah, that's a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
That'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Different, different show, different show.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
But when you said that, that sparked the thought in
my head. So I was like, Lord, have mercy. Let's
move on in the news cycle. But yeah, I already
told you all were to reach out to us, and
we will see you next week for episode ten.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Ten and we have what eleven the season? I think
it's twelve, Okay, work three more weeks of then just
like that, I know, I know it's moving.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Bye all, happy Leo season.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Here we go.

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