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Today we talk about some movies, shows and a little of politics. After we dive into a discussion on free will. #freewill #politics #entertainment

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I agree with dudes.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
She must have been on song.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Welcome to What We're Thinking Podcast episode.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we're on the episode ten.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We missed the last couple of weeks because I was gallivanting.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Uh, I was on vacation.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
I used to focus only y'all hurts. I had many gifts,
but that was my own curse. But hold up, wait
a minute, stop that. I need to focus on now,
not that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get your mom right here and your money's like.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
So Bryson, Yeah, this is Bryson. If you didn't know
one of the hosts and influenced Ben. Whatever you want
to say. So, how you been doing this week or
the last couple of weeks since we ain't talked.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I've been doing good, been doing good, working on watching
my sodium every day, sodium intake, cholesterol intake. I recently
had a physical and my I had a good blood
pressure reading, so that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What's it?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Sounds good? That sounds good. Let me move this because
I don't know what I'm doing with that my water.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That was your vacation.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh, vacation was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Nice. Vacation was great.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Went to Ruba, probably one of the best islands I've
ever been through, been to or been through.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Uh yeah, so it was great. It was a great,
great time.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I highly recommend going to a Ruba if you haven't been,
or if you have been, because I'm definitely want to
go back.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, it's probably one of the best islands I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I said, nice, dude, what you was posting online? Oh yeah,
yeah really nice?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Good flamingos look nice and relaxed. Definitely was that.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Needed relaxation to what's been going on in the last
few weeks with you.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I was trying to a couple like powder supplements, you know,
like super greens, like beetroot powder, and they worked pretty
well for me. I felt I feel that maybe maybe

(02:30):
maybe a different route might work even better, like eating
actual beats might work better for me, or we're having
a different powder than the one I had.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
The one I had had a kind.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Of sweetness to it, So eventually I started consuming too
much of it, so I got rid of it because
I didn't want to overdo it.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh yeah, so, and too much of anything isn't good,
even if it's good for you.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, So, I mean I tried that, but you know,
finding out that beat rute powder like it did help me.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I feel like it did help my blood pressure and
everything that's good. That's good.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
So we're trying to tell people be rude. Powder blood
pressure circulation helps with all that.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
So yeah, I mean, that's been my focus a lot.
Like I went to Red Lobster one day with my nephew, right,
and the first time ever did this. I asked for
the nutrition facts. They brought me out two black blinders.
Oh shoot, and from there, you know you could do that.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I mean, I know you could probably ask, but I
didn't know if they would do that.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I didn't know either.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
But from looking at the nutrition facts, that's how I
ordered my meal.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay, that sounds great. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
try that one day. I'm gonna piss off everybody at
my table, gonna be like, what the hell can you
bring me to the nutrition facts? Depending on where I'm at,
I guess, I guess maybe every restaurant does it.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
They have to.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think it's by law now in New York at least,
it might be a federal law. I'm not sure, but yeah,
they might. They might have to do that, so I
guess they wouldn't keep it in the but actually I
know at the Cheesecake Factor they got it on the menu,
but they don't have the full facts. So I guess
if you want the full facts, maybe they got a

(04:19):
bonder in the back. I don't know, but I'm gonna
have to check that. I'm gonna have to ask them.
That'll just be going by it. They just have the calories.
I think they have the calories and if it's low
salt or low because they have different type meals so
they have like a low a low salt or a
heart heart better heart diet or something.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
But yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Anything like stood out
about Aruba.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
But just the people, like the people when they in
the Moniker of Aruba is like one happy island. And
that's real because I mean everybody, everybody was super nice.
We had like one problem with like one staff member
there that just a little issue. And we stayed at

(05:12):
Reu re you the palace and had that banging room
and all the staff though all the staff was great there.
All the people like out and about. We met a
couple of people that were their vacationing actually from Philly.
A couple of people from Philly we met. They were

(05:32):
like there were like sixteen people, so they all came.
It was cool black folks. It was pretty dope.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
We chilled with them for a minute because they were
next to us in the pool, so we talked to
them for a while. We didn't like go out with
them or anything, but yeah, they were cool peeps people.
The island, Like the island is perfect weather. They don't
get any hurricanes because of where they are. They're like
nineteen miles from Venezuela, off to the side, and like

(06:01):
all the hurricanes come up this way, like through the
Bermuda and all that stuff, and they're like over here,
like all the hurricanes and everything's over here, and they're
over here because it was a hurricane that went through
the area. We didn't get anything. But one day was
like a lot of wind and it's windy. It's windy
and it's nice though, because even though it was like
one hundred and four, I didn't realize it's a desert island,

(06:24):
Like there's cactus everywhere. It's this desert because it don't
rain a lot. That's another thing. Like it's gorgeous, sunny, hot,
doesn't rain hardly anytime, and they don't get any hurricanes
or anything. And they had one of the best desaladization
plants of any island. So they take the salt water

(06:45):
and refurbish it.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I don't know what you call.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I guess desaladization take the salt out of it basically
and drinking water. So their water is their tap water
is like immaculate. Like you don't have to drink bottle
water or whatever, or if you don't want to, like
you can eat the ice. Like when you go to
some places, you gotta be careful because the water is
not good, so you can't get ice. You gotta be
careful with getting ice. Got gotta always drink bottle water.

(07:10):
There you didn't have.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
To, Yeah, but but yeah, it was. It was great.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It was great, great, great times. We didn't do much
but go to the restaurants eat. We were at all inclusive.
So once you get there, they put a wristband on you.
Everything's free, not free, man paid for it. But you know,
you could go to any restaurant eat anything. They had stuff.

(07:35):
They had little bars, little side bars, they had all
types of stuff like dessert bars, and you know, of
course drinks everywhere wherever you wanted. Food was great. Like
they had a buffet. I don't really do buffets like that.
They had theme restaurants, like they had a Nautica restaurant,

(07:56):
which was a steakhouse at a Japanese restaurant. They had
a Italian restaurant that was was fun. Like we didn't
go to Japanese restaurant. We went to the Italian restaurant
one night, but we stayed in there. Even at the
Italian restaurant, we went into the buffet and got like
ice cream and stuff because they have everything in that
buffet and it's banging, like people back there cooking right

(08:17):
in front of you and serving you the stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So yeah, their buffet was was was good.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
We killed that buffet the last night because we went
there for Brenda's birthday and last night her her actual birthday,
we ate at the steakhouse, which was banging to They
have like a set menu, but they have like those.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Steam restaurants have.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think that's why I like the the buffet better
because the steam restaurants had like a set menu, like
it was three things you could get for an appetizer.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's like three different things you get for entree.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Then it's like three different desserts and that's it, like
whatever whatever's on that menu, like you order and they just.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Bring it out as you get done.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So the buffet, you know, you going up getting whatever,
and they had everything like that pizza, spaghetti, whatever you wanted, tacos,
all types of meat. They had a whole pig one night,
and I mean it was kind of disgusting to me,
but it was just sitting up there and it was
roasting and that of arms and everything.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And I'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
But but you know, for people that eat it and
that are okay with it, if you're vegan, you know,
you might want to stay away from that.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
But but yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
It was great. The pool was wonderful. Like the resort,
Ree Palace was was great. They had like they had
two different resorts next to each other, and it was
one was adults only and the one that we stayed
at had kids too, but it wasn't like a whole
bunch of kids.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
They weren't like loud or nothing.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Even the kids that were there, they were just chilling
like it was it was a wild because they were
like the first night we went, the first day we
went to the pool, like it was some kids doing uh,
cannon balls, but I mean they were doing kids ship
whatever and I was chilling. They have like two pool levels.
They have a pool on top of a pool kind of.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It was pretty dope.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And they had bar in the pool so you can
be in the bull and.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Go swim up to the bar and then it the
bar goes upstairs to in the back where you can
just sit, where you can just sit and have regular
drinks at a table.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I wonder how the seafood was had a crab.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, they had they had that. I don't know how.
It was Brenda Gett. They had lobster tail at the buffet.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
They had that one night. It was Saturday night. I
think it was seafood night, and yeah, they had it
was it was a lot, a lot of stuff, a
lot of food, a lot of food, ice cream, cakes,
dessert galore, all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
But but yeah, it was. It was quite wonderful.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you've seen any anything interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I just watched the movie today that was pretty darn good.
What was it called The Killer? So what's that about?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Uh, it's a it's a it's a movie directed by
legendary action film director John wu Oh and I'm really good, Like, oh.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I did see that. I saw it. I didn't see it.
I saw it because I put in my list I
want to watch it.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I just randomly because sometimes I'm so picky with movies
and me and my mom has have different tastes, so
I just put it, put it on the pick something
man like. I was very pleasantly surprised. Like it starts,
she was saying she's part of the Fast and Furious.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I wanted to see it.
I never knew her name, but I always liked her.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Natalie and man, yeah, I like her.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, she she's in Double seven and she was in
a couple or mission no.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Double seven. Yeah, she was in Double seven. She's in
Fast and Furious.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Her movies, and I realized I saw her.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
A lot of stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, she's always been
dope to me.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
But yeah, the action is on point, is it?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
And it's it's a good like the actors are good,
she's good. There's a cop in it, you know, I
like his character that the villain is good. The villains like, yeah,
that's what's good.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Antagonists basically like she's a hit man in the movie.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
The hit person without giving Yeah. Yeah, oh that's cool.
Hit woman, as one character says in the movie.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that's what I said. He's a hit person.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I'm like, no, but but yeah, that's basically how it is.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
And you know, uh, it's it's good. It's really good.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
You've been watching bel Air. Yeah, yeah, that's I really
like that show. I mean I liked it from the beginning,
from you know, and when it first came on. But
I'm not far so I don't really want to talk
about it in debt. I think I'm in I think
we're only on the third or third one. So yeah, no, no,

(13:24):
don't don't say anything. You don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I'm not I'm just all I can say. I want
to anything.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, I just.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Want to say in general, I'm interested in all the characters, storylines,
like all the actors do.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
A good job. Yeah, yeah, like every part of the show.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's like, you know, maybe you might watch the show
and you're more interested in certain characters than others.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, I'm into it all.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, everybody, everybody's everything that's going on with everybody is
interesting to me. And I'm so glad. I mean, he's
been in it, since the beginning. But I'm so glad
Phil it is working. The dude who plays Uncle Phil.
He's always been nice to me, like he's always been

(14:15):
a good actor. I've seen him in a lot of
like B movies because I watch a lot of shit,
and I watched a lot of like you know, b
C movies where the budgets look like they trash, like
it's a Christmas movie I watched with him in it
that I really like. I think it was called Crumpus

(14:35):
or I don't know, but it was. It was wasn't
in the movies or anything. It was just on Prime
or some shit like I just refine and shit to watch,
and I watch it like I don't care what it
is or what it looked like, so soon as the
acting is good. And I always liked him and everything
I saw. So it's cool to see him in this

(14:56):
role because I think it's a pretty good role. I mean,
it's a good role, but it's a uh visible role,
I should say. I think a lot of people are
into bel air.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, cool, that's that's good because I don't recall
seeing him before this.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah you probably wouldn't if you you said you're picky
with movies. So yeah, if you're not watching those little
side and B movies that are crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I think I'm eight episodes then, like, and that's it.
Ain't it.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's all that's out.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
But where I'm at now, it don't seem like it's over.
Oh yeah, it's not that. Ain't all the episodes? I
mean that's all that's out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's all that's out. I think there's what ten or
it might be more episodes.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I like the way they're releasing them, because.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Three at a time.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, well the time the first they released three first time,
then at three the second time, like it was only
two this last time. Oh maybe it has done that. No,
but it it might be the way the way that
the most recent episode ended, it seemed like this more.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
They gotta be more than that. Oh okay, it's gotta
be more than that.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Okay, it wasn't cliffhanger or anything.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
I mean, it's something happened, but no, it just didn't
uh no, it didn't end like no, it wasn't like
a cliffhanger. It just yeah, it seemed like it'll end
better than that. Oh okay, it seemed.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like this more.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
But yeah, yeah, when you catch a we can talk,
especially about something that happens in I think episode seven, okay,
and it was just like blowing on my mind, like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
So all right, yeah, we we we gotta make some
time to finish because you know me, me and my lady,
we both are kind of busy on our fiess thing,
and you know I do a lot of stuff with
the videos, so carve out some time up.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Before we started. I almost said something to you about it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I'm so glad.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, yeah, man, yeah, because I'm not there.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
So man, when you get the episode seven, you might
see what I'm talking about. No, I probably will, because
it's like it's like it's like it's like.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's like what can I say? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
All right, So let's move on.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I got a few topics that I want to tackle,
you know, nothing, some entertainment, some politics, some just whatever.
So the first one, did you see that lady that
died at her desk?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yes, this lady to work for Wells Fargo and she
was at her desk dead and they found her after
four days. And I'm like, damn if this don't tell
you how corporate treat show asked that's crazy to me.
And she was at her desk for four days after

(18:16):
she died. I assumably they think it was four days
and the last time she clocked in was four days
before they found her. So I'm like, so she been
clocked in for four days at her desk for one
nobody there's no there's no oversight on people on the clock,
like I if you clock in or whatever. I'm sure, Well, no,

(18:38):
you know what swiped in? I believe she swiped in
the door. It's kind of like my job. We don't
clock in, but you can tell when somebody swipes in,
like they have a record of it that they can
go look and see when they came in the door.
So I don't know if she was there for four days.
They said it was four days since she swiped to
get in. But I just think that's wild. That's like

(18:58):
wild to me. I don't know her name.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I don't know if I want to say if I
didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So like what she like her head down on the desk.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, So I don't know if people I guess, I
don't have no. It was Ada, Wells, Fargo. I don't
know where the.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Bank at an office Wells Fargo office.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I don't necessarily think it was a bank, but I
don't know where, what city it was in.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And again I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
She was in and out. I don't know she had
a private office. But they found her. I just saw
the headline, and I'm like, Yo, that's wild.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Did they not know how long she was, you know,
been there after she had passed away?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, I don't think they did it like a fool
for investigation.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
She just it's just been four days since she clocked in,
since she came in the door, since she swiped in.
So they said she must have been there for four days,
but they don't know when she died, like maybe she
just died, Like maybe she died a day ago, she died,
you know. But I just think that's why I still like,
at at your desk and don't nobody know, Like maybe

(20:12):
maybe people walk past and thought she was sleep.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Sleeping.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I don't know if that's normal, Like maybe people sleep
on the job. I'm not sure, but yeah, I pray
that don't ever happen to me, because that's that's got
to be the worst. I mean, yeah, yeah, passing away anyway,
But yeah, at work, little.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Baby got arrested. Yeah, yeah, disappointed.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, not not saying that
he's uh guilty or anything. It's just something I didn't
want to see because you know, we've seen a lot
of rappers getting rappers getting like arrested, and it seemed
like he.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Was actively trying to avoid. Yeah, the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Was that, And this is the thing that I stressed
to people. You have to know laws of places elsewhere,
like just because there's a law in your state, United States,
and that's what foreign people, people from not from the
United States, they don't understand. I think I said that before,
Like I told somebody, USA is like fifty countries, fifty

(21:27):
different countries. Some states have the same laws, some don't,
and laws are not transferable. So he has a concealed
permit to carry in Georgia, but he had a gun.
So it wasn't like I don't want to I know,
the headlines. I hate when the headlines like I got

(21:48):
caught with a gun, blah blah blah. Now you know
how you feel about guns whatever, that's your personal opinion. However,
he had a permit to carry a gun in Georgia
and carried a gun, of course, and I understand why.
You know, I kind of understand why. I say, when
you're that famous in that it's easy to say that

(22:10):
from the outside and for one, but I like to say,
if you're that famous and got that much money, you
probably should hire somebody, at least one person to understand
an extra expense.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
But you know, it's an extra spense where you don't
have to carry a gun. I look at it like that.
But he did have a permit to carry.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
However, he was in Las Vegas and they don't recognize
any permits to carry guns in from any other state, so.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Laws of law, and he had a gun and got caught.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So I don't want people when they put the when
I see some headlines, I'm like rapper with a gun,
They're like, what else is new?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
You know, like what else? It wasn't like that, like
he was trying to use it.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
He was trying.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
He just had it in the club.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I guess he had it in the club and somebody
reported it called the cops. Cops came from my understanding,
you know, he corroborated as far as saying, yes, I
have a gun and I have a permit. But he
got arrested. Of course, because the permit is not good.
But that that's what I always say. I'll go back
to that, like even just recently traveling to another country

(23:21):
where say, we isn't legal, you got no laws. You
got to know the law, the laws of the land.
If you're going somewhere, even if it's domestic, you should
be up on a little bit of the laws of
the land. That's why I said, because people go to
uh the buy and stuff and they're not understanding like

(23:41):
that's a Islamic country. They have different traditions, different laws.
There's some places where men and women can't hold hands, like,
there's different stuff like that, and you got to be
aware of that stuff, like however you feel about it,
if you feel it's whatever, if you feel it's oppressive,
and that's their culture, that's what they go by, so you.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Got to go by what they go by.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm hoping everything works out for them. You know, it
wasn't no malice, It wasn't a violent crime. He just
had a gun and he wasn't supposed to. Did you see.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I don't want to go too hard because I might
know some of her people's but you saw that girl
from the Ganzig Zoo to the tiger pit.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh for those of you that don't know, that's our hometown.
And I was like, damn, we made national news for
some stupid shit again. Uh yeah, But I think they're
looking for her right now. I don't know what they're
gonna charge her with.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Trustpassing. Maybe they could charge her with trustpassing. They're probably
gonna figure out something to charge her with. I mean,
that was dumb. I don't know what she was thinking.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
I mean I kind of hope they don't find her
so she don't get in trouble. Just hope that she
don't do it again.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
But yeah, I mean I'm not down with I think
she got enough consequences.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like almost getting mulled by a tiger.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
So I kind of agree with you, like I don't
want I don't want the rest of this nature. But
sometimes you gotta learn too, Like sometimes I don't know
what she was thinking, Like like, that's stupid.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
You know what I mean. I was watching the clip
order dude, was like, she must have been on something.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I saw that it owns up listen.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, Like like you said.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I I hope she understands what she did and that
it could have went a whole different way, like I
don't want a life ruin with a rest like this,
because they can. It can ruin your life. But again,
she should have maybe she should have thought about that too.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
She had to know it was illegal.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Their signs posted, but I mean trustpassing, you getting trustpassing charge.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
She probably aint gonna go to jail. So but yeah,
that was I just thought that was why.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
And they said she might have did it in the
bear the bear then too, I jumped over into the
bear section.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Now I want to know how that? Did she post
these pictures online?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, what do you mean in the video? Yeah? No,
I think the video is somebody somebody else.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Okay, they took a video, Okay, because I'm like, what
other reason would she do this for than social media?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's the that's the bad heart.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even think she
knew she was being recorded, but she she.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Was probably recording herself, Like why else would you do that?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Either that or if she you know, I'm not making
any assumptions.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Maybe she had mental health issues.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't know, but if that's the case, I hope
she gets the help she needs.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
But I just kind of wonder what was going on.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
I didn't see her recording or nothing. Yeah, I don't
know what.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I didn't really see I saw Stills. I guess they
didn't want to show the video the video. Oh I
didn't see the video. Yeah, I saw Stills, but I
didn't see the video.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
That shit, that's just wild.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
She wasn't having a mental health issue. That's the only
other reason I could see her doing that was to
she wasn't trying to pet it, unless you know, if
she was trying to pet it, she definitely has mental
health issues. But Janet Jackson got residency in Las Vegas
starting the Sember thirtieth.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Okay, you gonna check her out?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I want to.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know that would be dope to go there,
go to Las Vegas doing Christmas. Well, it's the thirtieth
so with New Year's damn. So she started the thirtieth,
So New Year's Eve is gonna be rocking. She probably
got to show New Year's Eve. Man, that city gonna
be crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I don't know how long the residency is, but I
just thought it was cool. I like to see our
artists getting they do Usher. You saw Usher stopping show?
I think I heard of it Free with Free, Yeah,
I think that's cool. Free was in the audience from
one oh six in Part and he stopped the show

(28:36):
to recognize her, and he walked up to her, like
he just stopped singing and stopped everything and walked up
to her and bent down and was talking to her.
She had her phone outcause she was in the front
row and she was there like a spectator, but she's recording.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Him, and he's like, you know what this is. He's like,
it's freak.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
They walked up to her and she was like, thank you,
thank you. Then the cameras came over and they were
like hugged. He was like, I thought that was cool
because you know, A part was a big thing like
for artists, especially at that time, like around the time
he came out and all that, Like, you know, it's
cool to see big artists that are big now but

(29:16):
understand where they came from. Cause Free, I mean, you know,
not saying that this makes her less worthy or war worthy,
but she's you know, she's not doing much right now.
I don't think like she's not in the spotlight like that.
But for him to stop his show and pay homage
to her. I think that that's dope.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, I remember him going on on on one, especially
when like professions was blowing up.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that was uh, you know,
that was pivotal for that time. See the Army rebuke Trump. No,
Trump is always doing some bullshit. Man to switch gears
to the politics a little bit. Yeah, So he was
at Arlington Cemetery. You saw that he was there with

(30:05):
a bunch of cameras and bunch of people, and I
think it was a photo op. They were going to
the grave site. But you're not allowed to take photos there.
You're not allowed to do any political stuff there, not
allowed to do anything. So a staff member that took
takes care of the cemetery that told them they got

(30:26):
to pack it up and stop. And I guess they
got into it and somebody, I don't know, somebody said
something crazy to the staff member or told them to
leave or something. But I think it's the military. I'm
not sure who takes care of it, but I think
they're They may be the military, or consider the military,

(30:47):
or you know, like close with the military as a military.
You know, Arlington Cemetery is military cemetery, So uh yeah,
the Armies like if y'all they rebuke what they did there,
So I thought that was cool.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I'm like, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Any chance to humble is as Also, did you see
Camilla in ten on CNN?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Kamala Kamala? Uh No.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
I don't really keep up with the politics like a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't really keep up with it a lot. You know.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Sometimes they might say, you know, bring up something interesting
on the Breakfast Club or Hot ninety seven, and then
I'll probably tune in a little more. Or like I've
heard some things like you know, unfortunately, like Hogan saying
he wants to body slam Kamala Harris and him being like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
He's the biggest disappointment I've ever seen. Like growing up
there used to be my man's like you know me too,
and now that's what I mean. Don't meet your heroes
like that's real, but now you can't avoid them like
with those of media, like you know, ain't know avoiding him.
So yeah, he's trash. He's trash, Like I don't, I
don't understand it. Okay, if you want to, you know,

(32:16):
support a different political party, but why go there?

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, it's interesting, like people are obviously offended by it.
But I wonder now that I think about it, I
wonder if he didn't even really mean it like.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
That negatively, because.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean, I don't know how you can mean it, like.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Well, wrestling is a it's made up, right, so like, uh,
to say you want to body slam, it's it's not real.
So it's like, say, if he was on the Democrat
side and say I want a body slam Donald Trump,

(33:01):
would people be so offended.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Probably for one, no, because he's a man, And for
two Trump people would be offended. I'm sure, but I'm
and it probably would be such a bigger thing than
it is now. If it was the opposite with Trump,

(33:24):
people like they were probably like, oh, that he.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Should get arrested for even saying that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Like they would probably uh go go crazy, Like I mean,
do I think he wants to body slammer in real life,
like the pick her up and throw on the ground.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
No, But I don't think that matters why he said it.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,
I was in his head when he's saying it. I
don't know if he just.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Took being performative.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, maybe he took that into the real world. Yeah,
he's been performative like for that.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
He knew that would get them riled up and get
them hyped, just like it did. And that's that's just
what it is. But what if I said that about
like Biden, Like if I was on the street, it
was just like, I want to body his lam bidy,
I'll probably get arrested, you.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Know what I mean. It just I don't know. It
don't make it.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Seems like, you know, if he wasn't serious. It seems
like it's a case of, like you said, being performative,
bringing that rescular wrestler like character into the real world.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
It didn't work out. It didn't work out, it wasn't
received well.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
But this ain't the first time he said crazy shit.
So I mean, he's been out of my space since
the first Trump campaign.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But yeah, I was interested.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'm interested in them being on CNN because I heard
that she I didn't watch, but I'm going to because
I heard that. She basically explained why some of her
views changed from when she was first put on vice
president card to now. And you know, that's interesting to

(35:17):
me and stuff that. I think we need to have
a level head in here and understand, like we're not.
I think I think Trump's caught like puts it in
such a crazy perspective because most people are not that

(35:39):
in Democrats. A lot of Democrats are not that, Like
we don't I remember when they were like, uh, you
see you're metting Joe Biden ain't doing a good job.
Uh yeah, when he's not doing a good job, we admit,
And he's not doing a good job, Like what's so
crazy about that? That's what you're supposed to do, Like y'all,

(36:00):
y'all don't like just because y'all like whatever he does,
it's great. It don't matter what he does, what he says,
what he craziness, grabbing by the pussy through whatever he can.
Oh it's great. Oh he's great. He's a great person.
Like no, no, we're not like that, and I'm not
like that. Like I'm one hundred percent voting for Kamala,

(36:22):
But do I think she's one hundred percent correct on everything?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Now?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Like who does you know? Do I think she's yeah?
And who is?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like do I think she.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Has some policies or some stuff that I don't agree with?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, probably do I think Trump has more? Yes, So
that's why I'm voting for her. Like it's weird to
me that people people are looking. I understand the argument
of not voting for the lesser of two evils, but
it's it's not even that it's a sensible person versus

(37:07):
somebody that's just out off the rocker, you know what
I mean. It's not it's not even a lesser than
two evils, no more. And I don't understand you know,
anybody that still supports Trump.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I just.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I ain't got time for it.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
And you know none that I think more about the
Huk hooking situation. That's a sensitive you're saying you want
to body slam a black woman.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yes, yeah, that's the other thing, Like that's the other thing,
you know, take polity takes out of it. If he
was on the street, I still be fuck him, you
know what I mean, Like it's still fucking like you
want body slamming this black woman?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Why? Like so it's still fuck you, fuck you and
everybody like you.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
So but that and that kind of leads back to
somebody attemption to assassinate Trump, like political Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You wonder why all this crazy shit I mean, I
know Trump ain't saying it, but I'm sure Trump is
loving it, you know, and he probably would say it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I don't put it pass him.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I mean, that would be good, good to check out.
You know, I am voting for it, but it would
be good to I meant to tell you too, Like
I actually talked to somebody who's a Trump supporter, and
it's like interesting because he was a nice guy. He
came out and do some work on my trailer, the

(38:32):
lift gate, okay, and we was talking and then and
he was talking, we was you know, getting along well.
And then not to say that we didn't after that,
but then he brought that up.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
You know, yeah, I don't know why people bring that
shit up no more.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
And then so I told him, you know who, you know,
who I was voting for, and which, like I found
out in the past, Like if it wasn't such a
cordial and we weren't, he wanted to help me out
and all that, and maybe a conversation we wouldn't even
want to have. I wouldn't want to talk about it
because I had a negative experience with that before.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, but uh yeah, uh.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Well we was talking about it, and his thing was
and I told him how I felt about not what
and police immunity, and he seemed to kind of downplay it,
like how you know, he can't really do that right,
like he needs like everybody's like the House and Congress
and you know.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
He mean that's true, but why would you even want
somebody in there that is thinking like that?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Right?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, that's what That's what I hate, because that's what happens,
like they're downplay it like that, like people even if
somewhat I don't know how sensible you can be, but
somewhat sensible people that seem, you know, to have a
little bit of a brain, like they'll they'll do that stuff.
But nine out of ten, when it comes down to it,

(39:59):
they like that ship.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
They like that rhetoric. They like what he's taught, like.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
The the you know, make America great again, like it's
ever been great, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
But then he was saying his his thing was the
border thing. His thing was immigrants in the border thing.
That's the thing he was.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
He kept harping on, uh, and and I asked why,
like why why do you think that?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Do you? You know?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I that's why I wouldn't even get into it. But
that that would be the question that would ask like
why why is that? Like why do you feel that.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Way just because he told you that like that.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
That there's there's this giant ass issue and and you know,
to be clear there there does need to be border security,
like I'm not wandering people. That's just like open up
the borders freely, but have security. You need security, like
building a wall in security. I haven't had a knowingly

(41:04):
conversation with a Trump supporter in a good long while,
but I think I think there's some undercovers at work,
but they I don't know why they would because they'll
be out of a job if they let Trump run
this ship. You've been keeping up with any of.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
The robot stuff, No, not lately.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I've seen a new robot, humanoid robot.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They had.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
The lady had it in her house and that it
looked like I robot, like it was coming and was
picking up her purse and she was like, thank you.
You know it's demonstration, but yeah, but it's not the no, no, no,
well I think it is on the market. It's like
eighty thousand dollars, so don't nobody have one?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Which company is it?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't even know it's a it's a.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
There's so many though, like if you look, it's old
many robot companies and people don't even know. Just going
under the radar, it's like twenty different companies making youmanoid robots,
and they're all like far in advance in their technology,
like people don't even know it's coming sooner than you think.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Interesting, And we talked about this. One thing that I
would be concerned about is privacy, like who's actually looking
at you through that? And like you know, I mean
it might even be a thinger you can have some
complanionship companionship through it, but who's actually it's like you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's robot, That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Robot.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
They want they're gonna want one in every house and
then they're gonna take them over. They're looking through their eyes.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, it just seems like you can be like it's
too uh to uh what do you call it.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Intrusive? Possibly? Yeah, yeah, but then I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I mean, it's the same with your phone though. That's
the thing, Like your phone got cameras everywhere and can
be accessed even if your phone is off, like so
it is, and we don't even batter eye. Anybody could
look at us through this camera. Like there's websites that

(43:25):
have phone cameras where they done hacked into different phone
cameras and you can just go and watch them. Oh yeah, yeah,
they're illegal. I wouldn't do it, but they have them.
And that ship as well. You've seen the people like
having chat GPT talk to each other with two different phones.

(43:48):
That shit is crazy to me because they think they
both think they're talking to a human and they're talking
to each other. It's kind of like that's kind of
artificial intelligence. Even know it's machine learning and not really
artificial intelligence. You got to get in the weeds with that.
It's two different things. But yeah, that's what that is. Like,

(44:13):
stuff is getting advanced quick. That's what I think people
underestimate the exponential growth of robots and AI because you're
not seeing it every day. It's not on the news,
it's not it's just companies working. So when they showing products,

(44:33):
it's like, Yo, this is wild. It's gonna be years
before I have a robot. But I say that, but then,
like I said before, I adopt stuff late, but then
I go all in, like the card not having money,
like I always had cash on me and I adopted that. Really,

(44:54):
I ain't never use my debit card. I used to
keep my debit card at home. And now it's like man,
and i'd be like, Dad, I go somewhere where I
need cash and it's out, better have a card reader.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I ain't got no cash.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I mean, if you ain't really got nothing to high,
you ain't doing nothing legal, then.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Nah, I don't say that, but that's that's what they say. Hey,
that's what they say that, that's that's propaganda, like if
you ain't got you know, privacy is privacy, it don't matter,
like it don't matter, because that's what they're gonna use.
That's what the cops use. That's what everybody uses to

(45:34):
try to justify it. You know, and I understand what
you're saying. I understand is you know, that's the thing
that you can say, but that that's what they're gonna
use to take it away. That's what they use with
nine to eleven, after nine eleven, with the Patriot Act,
that's the that's the real, uh, the Patriock Act is.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
The real.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
New World Order. Everybody's all upset they've been to that
they did that in two thousand and two. That's what
they might have been two thousand and one, and they
might have did it like the next month. They passed
that so quick, and now it's just no retroactive like
you just out here and busting your house whenever they want.
They can tap your phone whenever they want if they

(46:19):
think you're doing something like it's crazy. Any new music
I've been I've been listening to some music.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Well, a song I think you said it came out
last years.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
From Yeah, yeah, I think it was two years ago
on his Uh, I think it was twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Two, Better Do Better.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Do Better.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah, I just recently heard that on an episode
of bel Air, and I thought it was Will.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Smith at first.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah you told me that because especially if you listen
to that first verse, his voice sounds like Will Smith
Smith's voice, And I don't think I ever really heard
anybody any rappers sound like Will Smith before, and.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
So see it's funny because I can definitely hear it,
but I've heard the song before, so I just didn't
think nothing of it, Like I didn't think it was
Will Smith because I knew what it was.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
But I can hear it though, after you said that,
I can hear it.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
It's like even some of the things he does, like
Will Smith would be like just be like like he
does that in the song, and I'm like, did he
like Will Smith's music as a kid?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Like you know what I mean? Like maybe I mean
Will Will's dope? Like Will Will is Will can rap.
People give him ship because of you know, the poppy
style that he has.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
But me, I always liked his music. Will always you
know what you mean? Will Will always was dope.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
He could always spit and jazzy Jeffs are one of
the best DJs ever.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
People like both of them together. Is wild that they
was a crew.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Other than that, I checked out Logic album Ultra eighty five.
There's a song on there I really liked listening to
call Peace, Love and Positivity.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
What's the song teleport? You know? I like?

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I liked that song too. Yeah, I'm a logic. I
like Logic. I like just you know what he stands
for and and his story, you know. And I've enjoyed
a lot of his music too, so you know, I

(48:52):
checked that out. What else, I've been hearing some music
here and there, Like there was song I think the
guy's name is Chase Chase Shakur and the songs maybe
too Far Gone and yeah Chaseur and I heard I

(49:15):
heard somebody play this song from another podcast. They have
a segment on there where they play you know music,
and I've like gotten to a good amount of music,
maybe even a lot of music that way I've discovered.
But yeah, that song is good. I recently like, I

(49:37):
went back to MICHAELA. Jay's page. Yeah, she's an actress,
but she's also a singer. She was on the show
Post and you know, I really liked her character and
I really like her as an actress because I've seen
other movies of hers too.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, I might know her if I seen her face.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
But but she's done American Horror Story.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Okay, well, I definitely no where that's my ship. But yeah,
so she got a few new songs.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
She's on a show called Luke Too with Mayor Rudolph
on Apple TV.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I saw that. I saw that show. I just saw it.
I didn't I didn't watch it, but okay, yeah I
saw it. Uh, I was perusing.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah that's what I saw the first season. I liked it.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I gotta get Apple TV Plus against I can see
the second season. But yeah, checking out some of her
new stuff. And do you ever hear I want to
shout out? Let me shout out somebody, because you ever
hear a song right and you think the song is fire,
but you go and look at the views and the

(50:56):
views don't match what you think doing.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that happens a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
True.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I was on Killer Mike's page.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
He released a whole new album, like remixes of his
old album I mean not old, but the one't even
won a Grammy for.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
But there was some new songs. It was that song that.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I played for you a couple of weeks ago or
a couple of months ago maybe, But he did like
remixes of other of other songs that were on there,
but I forget. It was called the Saints and Centers.
But like his videos, I don't know what they're doing now,
but I know, for like a few weeks it was

(51:35):
like a thousand thousand views, a couple of thousand views,
I was getting more views. I'm like, damn, what's going
on this shit?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Dope?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Like, and it's Killer Mike, Like he's got bigger over
the years, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I'm like, man, what's happening. I think it's YouTube too.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
YouTube don't be showing be cutting the algorithm, messing up
my channel too.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
But this song is.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
How you pronounce his name, it's either Dylan Burnside or
Dylan Dylon Burnside. It's called Superpowers. And he was also
on the show Polls, and so that show Polls is
basically like about.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
No, it's about like when I heard I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
It takes place in the eighties. It's in the in the.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Basically the the gay the l g b t Q
like scene.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It focuses on a.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
There's a lot of transgender actresses on the show, and
you know a couple of gay actors probably you know,
Billy Porter's on the show. So I kept up, I
kept up with some of the actors, like on Instagram afterwards,
and I realized he's the uh dialone. I don't know

(53:02):
if that's how you said his name, you see, because
it has a astra die long Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Burns.
So it's like, and yeah, this song is far. Can
I play some of it?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah? But the thing is, look.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
At the views fourteen thousand, Wait, no, that's a point
in there.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Oh one thousand, yeah, oh, yeah, one point for it.
Yeah that ain't I can get more using actually.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
What you think because this is a far a song
him being on the show, But it seemed like that
don't really matter because of Jabari Banks. He sings too,
and he has music out, so we'll go feeling in well.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And the thing that I touch is go. I don't
want to tell me nothing.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Yo, feel like I just didn't fly in and I
can come down. No, I can come down. You should
see the world from this out too. Every nothing that
I can't do. Body feelings, oh, bullet proof, I hover around.
My feet don't ever touch ground. They don't touch the ground. Oh,

(54:13):
I'm want to mission to follow my mansion. My soul
is my only religion. WHOA, I never listened. I didn't
ask a for mention, and I'm so happy I did it.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
I feel like I got superpos I feel like I
got superpowers. I had a couple of secrets weakness, but.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I call it movie trailers like super It's just fired too,
like I got super time and I felt this song.
He call it what this song is about.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
We used another ways, but basically, like what he's saying
is like his sexuality. He was told like, all right,
this is a we this is wrong, this is that.
But he accepted itself and embraced itself, and he feels powerful.
He feels good. He feels like he got super powered. Okay,

(55:10):
you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, But other than that,
even besides that, the song is fire, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't feeling the production, no, no,
but I think he can sing and lyrics yeah yeah.
I like the lyrics, yeah yeah, yeah, But I don't know.
I don't know why he only got one one thousand
views like this, but like I said, they probably got

(55:40):
buried because it's just the way of the world, Like
it's just YouTube and.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
What they do.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
So and then like the video don't perform a couple
of weeks, it just goes down to the bottom and
don't nobody see it.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
And then I mean, I guess, like you know, it
helps to have a machine behind you.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Right that too, because they'll keep promoting it. But if
you don't keep promoting.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Oh see he doing all right, this is this, this
is banks he plays Will Smith on bel Air. Yeah,
he got one hundred and ninety sixersand and I like
the songs called we can drive, you know what I mean.
That's good. That's a nice song. Yeah, and he can sing.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
He said his tune is close to like if he
had to describe it justin Bieberer Beevers and I listened
to it.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, he's right.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I think Benny the Butcher, which I'm upset that. I
guess it was the EP.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I guess it was an album, Summertime. Summertime Butch came
out in August. I think, uh, it's dope, but it's
just eight songs and a couple of songs only got
one verse because he's like one verse Butch, Like fuck, y'all.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Heard this is? This is the release that he included
the never before released song with Drake on but was
that was taken off?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I guess so, because I I haven't heard that song, Okay,
so I guess I got it. I got it late
after it's been taken off. So yeah, because I didn't
know he had a song on there with Drake.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah, I've heard like that. There was a song they
did like long time ago now that never came out.
I remember him saying he did his song with Drake,
and then recently Drake posted it on his fence the
page and but then I heard that was taken out.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
But so but but then Benny the.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Butcher posted it on his posted it with his like release.
But then I heard that was taken off.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
So I wonder why.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, I wonder if if it's some contractional contractual stuff
or what. Yeah, but you enjoyed it, Yeah, yeah, I
like it. I've been listening to it. I listened to
a lot of album and it's not for me. But

(58:13):
she's dope, But like, I don't know, I like, maybe
I like the music on it, it's cool, but I
just can't get into some of the subject matter because
I don't think it's for me, you know what I mean.
Like it's more women's subject centric and more from which

(58:39):
I do like to hear that.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
But it's like, I don't know, it's so much of
I can't I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I just look at it.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I just say it's the music isn't for me, Like
She's dope, she can spit. It's good sounding music, good
production like her album I can tell is dope. I
just you know, the songs ain't for me, and I like,
like four or five songs really a lot, but a
lot of the songs are just you know.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I'm like, Okay, I don't have to listen to this again.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
But like I said that, that's not a reflection of
how good her album is because I can recognize that
the production is good. I can recognize I always thought
she could spit, so I can recognize she can spit.
She got all the elements there. So I don't want to.
I don't want to discourage anybody and haven't heard her

(59:39):
album to not go listen to it. But I think
that's it. Like I haven't listened to much. I'm still
listening to the same old shit I always listen to.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I recently saw next.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I was gonna ask you, I got that written down
right here. Oh okay, yeah I skipped it. I didn't
even I forgot that. How was that I didn't watch it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
That was good And to see him sing live and
just how good it sounds singing like the album. Yeah,
it was nice. It had me go and listen to
what's that one? If they don't ever wonder? Oh yeah,
I had to go listen to that after that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I need to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I haven't heard Maxwell so long. I'm gonna look at
the Tiny Desk. I always do that and then kind
of look at them late at night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And another favorite song of mine that of his is
what's it called?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Just Come On?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Maine's Stop the World, Stop the World, Stop the World.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I used to be singing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, Like I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I haven't listened to R and B a lot and
so long because stuffing, I mean, Marsha and Brocer was
probably I don't know if I said her name right,
but it was probably the the most I bumped the
R and B album in some years. But I remember

(01:01:12):
Maxwell used to get bumped late at night when the
windows down in the summer time. Yeah, man, Maxwell was it? Yeah,
But I gotta watch that Tiny Desk, keep seeing it.
Who would I said this in threads, who would have
thought that public access television would have one of the

(01:01:38):
best concert series ever in twenty twenty four, Like, that's
crazy to me. It's crazy to me that that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
That was not on my bingo card.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
That tiny the Tiny Desk concert series is crazy insane,
like the amount of people and the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
What they did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
You saw it a lot. No, I watched the locks tighter.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
That's it's just dope when artists do the tiny death
because you see these artists that are gangster whatever, like
whoever it is. I saw juveniles too, not too long ago,
but like it don't matter, and they're just sitting there.
It's what's the word I'm looking for? Oh man, I

(01:02:29):
lost My train of thought is intimate, I guess, very intimate,
very small, and they're just doing they think. But the
thing I like is they all the artists that come
up there, Like when I saw the Locks was on there,
I'm like, oh damn, what they doing. But they picked
music that kind of go with it, you know what

(01:02:50):
I mean, Like they picked like they knew, they knew
what the audience was, they knew how it was set
up live band. Like the music they picked it wasn't
like crazy crazy. It was some hard songs, of course,
because that's what they do, but a lot of it
wasn't like crazy hard like some it was more they

(01:03:10):
songs with messages. More they songs that were kind of
like laid back, like like on some stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
It's just cool styles ped is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
He's funny. He's probably one of the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Like it's cool to see his growth, like how he
used to be and how he is now is I
think it's dope because they're grown, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
You get older and you change, you do change.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I recently saw an interview with him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
It was really good and and then I did some
deep diving on the internet and reservoir Dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
You know that he was shooting in that song. He
was shooting at cha Z on that song because he
was saying that he was in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
There and steps ahead and naggas shooting backwards.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
He said, uh, they had they came straight off tour.
They had to go right to the studio to do
that song. And then everybody got their parts and except him.
And then when it got to him, people wanted to
go to the club.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
So he was mad.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
He came back in and I really I like that
verse too, and he said he said it wasn't a
big deal. When he got done, he came out of
the studio, jay Z just looked at him and I
was like, Oh, that's what we're doing, like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Oh man said.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
They laughed about it, but you can you could tell
because if you hear listening to Jay Z's listen to his.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Worst Oh wow, yeah, that's my ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Somebody asked stars Blackout A Reservoir Dogs, and I think
it's interesting because I like his version on Reservoir thoughs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
But I like Jada's versus uh.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Sheets verse better on Blackout and I like to beat
a Blackout better. And but but styles P chose Blackout
because did Max is on there? I don't think I
used to. I didn't pay much attention. I always remember
hearing styles P. But I'm really paying attention. I really
paid attention now listening to that, because I listened to

(01:05:29):
that album to hear jay Z honestly, so I didn't
really wasn't too focused on the lots.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
See, I like all of it, you know, I always
always liked all of Actually, I like jay Z. But
you know that ain't my favorite verse on there. It's
probably styles probably styles or but styles P is one
of my favorites anyway, one of my all time favorites.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
I don't know if it's my age, I don't know
what because I'm stuck. It's happened twice with jay Z recently.
I've heard older lyrics where he says something and I
turned it off. I'm like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
He said like what he said? He said something? Like
run up in your Crib, No Witnesses, Pop your Grandma.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, I listened to that the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I felt my age a little because I was like this,
this is so disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
It's like, but that's that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Sometimes I listen to old hip hop and I'm like,
mm hmm, I wonder this is this is wild.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Like some of the stuff they say. And I remember
jay Z.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
I think that was one of the lines that he
regretted because he talked about it. He was like, yeah,
you should all the time that I regret later like
I don't feel that way the same way, but at
the time I'm in a certain frame of mom.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
So that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I guess it's just like any art that you do.
I mean, there's a lot of shit, like I want
to erase our first album.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Off of any face of the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
There's a lot of shit I've said that I don't
agree with that, I don't like that. I don't want
to hear again, and I maybe don't want other people
to hear. Like my kids, you know, so like I've
said stuff about their mom on their like different different things,
and I think about that ship now now that they've grown,
not that I think they listening to my music, but

(01:07:37):
I think about it, and I don't feel that way now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Like at the time I was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Mad, so I said stupid shit like I don't feel
that way, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah, Like, yeah, I kind of felt like when when
I made some kind of real personal songs about family
and stuff like that, maybe I would do that differently.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I wouldn't do that at all, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
That's kind of how like when.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Well Roy said, when he put out I think the allegory,
I think that was the one that was really personal
and he ain't talk I think it was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Was it that with cocaine on it? And yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, so but he he thought he wasn't saying stuff
bad too bad, you know, he was giving because he
was giving him props in the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
But his dad was like, what the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Fuck you could have warned me about this ship like
this stuff he was talking about, like damn, did I
want my business out there like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I don't know if it's wrong because that's his perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I mean it is, But at the same time, I mean,
you're talking about somebody else, so it's still somebody else's
you know, he's still talking about somebody else, somebody that
you're close to, so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
That that's interesting though. But if you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
If if you impact somebody in a certain way and
it makes them express a certain way, is that they're
bad or is that you're bad for impacting them that way?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
No, I'm not saying it's wrong for him to express it,
and you know, but I kind of understand like somebody
would have an issue with it because I mean, I
was expressing myself with certain things and I felt like

(01:09:33):
it was expression and that's how I felt at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
But like now that was kind of harsh than what.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
And then I think about, like I said, I think
about my kids and I'm like, oh, my kids to
hear that and think I was just like feeling, you know,
this this animosity like you would you would conceived with
this animosity.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
No, it wasn't like that, But I'm trying to think.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I don't know if I have any anything that I regret,
like and if I said it and if I feel
differently now that's what it was, then you know what
I mean, that's how that was real, that's what I feel.
Then Yeah, it's just that I do remember one song

(01:10:21):
and I don't know, I don't know. It was really personal,
it's about family. I don't know if we put that
on anything, but you might have told me not to later,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Possibly, but not a lot of times you would be like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
It was really it was really good. Uh. And I
even I even self edited and made one person like a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Like somebody else. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I remember that. I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
But but then like you're right though, because now because
somebody in that that I was talking about in that
song has changed their life and stuff. So it's like
what I want people to hear that now? I don't know,
is it worth itwhise?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
I think, yeah, I understand that even though the stuff
I've said that's how I was feeling at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
I feel like I was kind of going off of
emotion or I didn't have the proper I didn't have
the outlook I have now, like when I, you know,
when I was saying stuff, I know it's stemmed around me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Having to pay child sport and all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
In hindsight, looking back and having a different mind frame
than I did when I was twenty or twenty five
or whatever. You know, I understand, like I understand the nuances,
and I'm a different person here and I understand that,

(01:12:05):
and I would one hundred percent, like one hundred percent
don't feel any type of way about it. And I
think it was needed in it, and I should have
been paying child's for and I should have been paying
what I was paying, like it and looking at how
hard it is to raise a kid, and knowing that
she probably had my kids more than I did because

(01:12:26):
I wasn't in the household and they actually stayed with her,
even though you know, it was a good I would
go over there, I would see them all the time,
but it just wasn't the same. And knowing that I
know that now and all that stuff that I was
mad about and stemming. You know, it might have been
other stuff too, might have had a whole bunch of

(01:12:47):
shit to do with with stuff. But at forty eight
years old, looking back, I can see, like I said,
I can, I should have been paying. I should have
been paying what I was paying, And that's just what
it was. Whatever else I had to deal with, like
it was my responsibility, and I think what helped. Sorry,

(01:13:08):
I'm mean to cut you off, But I also think
what help is the fact that she was she did
what she was supposed to do, you know, like she
wasn't wilding out, she took care of the kids, she
did everything she was supposed to do. So like it
was no complaints on my end on that end, So

(01:13:28):
it was just it just wasn't I know, there's different
situations with different people in regarding that issue. So but
but I'm just giving given that as an example. There's
other stuff I've said that I don't agree with either,
but I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Just regarding other people the other stuff or not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Just yeah, it was it was other people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Yeah, so I think I agree with you there, when
when it comes to stuff regarding other people, it's more
so it's more so, Yeah, I'm more so like, Okay,
maybe I would change some stuff. But when it came
to stuff that I felt then I don't know, like
it was just me saying how I feel. I don't
know if I would change it because it was real,

(01:14:13):
even if it's hard to listen to now, that was
what was I was really feeling at that time. Yeah, yeah,
so yeah, but also also like I attributed some of
that with me, I don't know what you were. The
biggest rappers in the world were being vulnerable, real vulnerable,
and that was influential too, and I think maybe some

(01:14:37):
of that rubbed off on me to where like I
started telling my story too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Well, it's a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Well I always did that, you know, like since I
started rapping, EYE always build myself as being real. I
hate to turn real because I'm like, you don't have
to say if you're real, people know it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I mean, like people know when you're authentic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
You ain't got to say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
You ain't gotta tell people I'm real, I'm real. I
hate when people do that, but that's just what it was.
Like I always wrote from my perspective true stuff, didn't
really come up with like fake scenarios or anything. I
do think you can do that and still be real

(01:15:25):
in a certain way, depending on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
How you do it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
But I just always pulled from my life everything, like
all my most of my music, almost all of it.
Every song I made was something that I pulled from
my life, and I don't I don't regret a lot
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I might not want people to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Maybe some of the even some of the way I
spoke back then, I kind of I'm like, you know,
I think about it now just because I think about
I think because I'm in a professional career and things
like that, I think I don't deal with. Let me

(01:16:09):
make it clear, I don't deal with respectability. Politics like
that don't mean anything. What I was saying and what
happened and what you know, I was relaying that that's
what it was and that's what was happening in my life.
But that don't make me any less of a person
or anything whatever it was. But at the same time,

(01:16:29):
I'm like, but I want my coworker to hear this
thing sometimes, or what I want my balls Sometimes I
think like that when I'm listening because I have listened
to like old stuff recently, and I'm like, I don't
even I would even want to promote this just because
of the stuff I'm talking about. But it was real
at the time. It was what I was going through

(01:16:52):
as shortly before that time or at that time, So
I don't regret that. But at the same time, I'm
not promoting it either, So I guess I'll put it
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
I can only think of one that song I was
telling you about where like as far as that song was,
and maybe that's an important song because there's other people
that have experienced that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I mean most of those more vulnerable songs are because
this world, with billions of people in it, there's a
lot of people that experience the same thing that they
don't want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
So when you hear that's that's one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Of the reasons music connects with people, especially hip hop,
because when they hear something that's similar to stuff that
they've been through or whatever, it's interesting to people, and
it's it's comfort to people because they're like, oh, I'm
not alone. They might not want to put it out

(01:18:06):
there because they don't want to be that venerald, but
to hear somebody else be that vulnerable, it gives them hope.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
But I mean, we are not even unique to this.
I think Eminem like he talked about regretting some of
the stuff he said about his mom, Yeah, you know
what I mean, Yeah, and uh, and that would be
my thing, Like, yeah, it's an important something. But someone
is I'm talking about someone I love, maybe not at

(01:18:37):
the best point in their life, you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so uh yeah, So yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
But maybe he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
At the time, he didn't, he didn't think there was
any love there, right, So but then as you get older,
you got you got the In a lot of times,
it's stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
The luxury of hindsite.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
The luxury of hindsight is a lot because for one,
you've lived, you had experiences, you may have went through
some of the same shit yourself, and that's probably a
lot of his Like he was on drugs, he collapsed,
his daughters found him, Like he's probably looking at all
that like, damn, I'm just as bad as her, or

(01:19:22):
maybe I just had an issue and I wasn't taking
care of it and shit happens. Not that it excuses him,
but maybe he's looking at it from a different angle, like, well, damn,
maybe she was doing the best she could and she
just didn't know how to do any better, or maybe
she you know, maybe because of whatever was happening, she

(01:19:45):
couldn't do any better. So he probably has that in
his mind too, because he's been through it now he
has the experience. But as a teenager, you don't have
that experience, so you just like you're just looking at
certain things like, oh, I mean, it's just like a
little kid, like say a fourteen year old, and you're

(01:20:08):
telling them they're sneaking out the house or whatever, and
you're telling them, listen, don't sneak out the house.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
You're gonna come back with.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Kids, or you're gonna do this, or you're gonna get
in trouble doing this, or you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Teenager has no frame of reference at all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
They just look at you like you're fucking dictator, Like God,
this motherfucker don't want to stop my fund, Like that's it.
That's all they're looking at it as. But then as
they get older, experience shit, go through shit, maybe go
through the ship that they your parents then told you
will go through, and you ain't believe them. Then you
start to be like, oh, well, damn, they told me

(01:20:43):
that shit. I mean I've been there, like I've been
there like more than once. You know, I've been there
more than once. So it's the power of the power
of hindsights sometimes so you can, you know, you can regret,
But like Jay, you say, you gotta learn to live
with regrets because they gonna be there, how small or big,

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they're gonna be there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
I have a theory sometimes I think that sometimes I think,
like about my life right, And I used to like
it used to make me feel good to go back
and think about my whole life and think about me
doing it differently, like doing it perfectly right. But then
I think, like lately, I think, like everything that happened,

(01:21:34):
everything that I've done, it had to go that way.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Yeah, I mean everything how you look at it is
and it's different for different people. So if you're if
you're somewhat happy where you are right now, you can
look at it like everything that happened had to happen

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for me to get here, you know. But I know
people that aren't that are extremely unhappy, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Say the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
I mean, everything they did led them to this place.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
So that's where I think the perspective comes in, because
it's true, like everything in your life brought you to
this point and shaped you to be the person you
are now. So if you change something, who knows what
might happen. Even the people that have feel like they

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have terrible lives and they're like, well damn, and they
may they may have terrible lives. They may have made
a lot of bad decisions that put them in a
terrible place. And that may be. It's never too late
to change. For one, it's never too late to try
to turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
But also.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Well, you know what I say, it's never too late,
but sometimes it is too late.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
But if you're still breathing, you're still free out here
walking around.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
It's not too late to change whatever's going on. Let
me put it that way. I know there's a lot
of instances that you know, if you're not breathing no more,
it's too late to change. But yeah, I know a
lot of people that's that's like, well, listen, every single
thing that you've done leads you to this place. And

(01:23:22):
if you were to change it, That's what I was
getting to. If you go back and change, it might
get worse. You don't know, you know, if you made
a different decision that you like, take your worst decision.
And this is for people that feel like they've they've
come to a road where they're, you know, semi right.

(01:23:43):
Life is always a constant battle. You know, nobody got
it together. Just don't believe. Don't believe that anybody got
it together. Nobody got it together. People on TV look
like they rich, famous, got everything. They ain't got this
shit together either. They out here and trying to go
just like us. They're just more comfortable doing it. But

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you know, you could take your worst mistake and if
you change that and made it a great, great decision,
who knows what might have Like that might change your
whole life for the worst. Like you, you just don't
know everything that happened to you is brings you to
this place. Like I said all the time, because I

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was just discussing, you know, like my criminal record and
the fact that it still hinders me to do certain things.
But luckily I made it out of that time unscathed somewhat,

(01:24:48):
you know, I mean not mentally, but unscathed physically. I'm
not sitting in the cage right now. So like, luckily
I made it, made it out of that, and it
propelled me to where I'm at now. That's how I
look at it, like, despite the fact that it's still

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you know, I was looking at something the other day
and I'm like, well, damn it, do I gotta put.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It on there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
It's been thirty years, God damn, but they still asking,
they still asking about it, They still want to know
about it. I wouldn't go back and change it, because
if I let a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Squeaky clean life, my whole whole time, and everything into
my dog. Who knows whatever, Who knows, who knows. I
might not had this perspective. I might have did something
crazy later on in life when I couldn't recover, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
I had that experience where I'm like, listen, I don't
want to go down road no more So.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
If I didn't ever get those experiences when I was young,
when it was when I was able to reverse the actions, hey,
maybe I would have done something stupid. Now eight and
then your life is over. Like you get fifteen years
at forty eight, it's a rat, you know what I mean,
Like it's a rat. Like so yeah, who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Yeah that makes sense because like I was just thinking,
like if I would if I go back and change
everything and I'm doing done everything right, Like what would
I have learned?

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
And I'm saying, and I'm and the reason I'm saying
because I know better now. The reason I'm saying is
because I know now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
would change this and change that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
It's the power hindsight because you know what it is,
and the reason you know is because it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
But what more I was getting into is that probable
outcomes in like environment, nurture, nature, who you are. It's like,
I feel like free will all of it. It's kind

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of like, you know, like what we're doing, what we're saying,
what we're doing now, it's like how much free will?
You know what I mean? Like it's just me thinking
like things that I've done, how I've reacted to things.

(01:27:27):
It's like, could it have happened any other way? Because
that's who I was for whatever reason, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at that time it probably couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Yeah, So what makes me think, like where it's the
free will in that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
What the free will is the fact that you you
could have made a different decision.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, you could have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
There's people that have zero examples of anything that make
different decisions that you wouldn't think. You know, There's the
kid that's in a gang infested neighborhood that's never been
in a gang, never got in trouble with the law,
reads books, goes to school every day. Even though these

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people are hounding him every day to join a gang
or to join or to sell drugs or to do whatever,
you know, But he's making that conscious decision that's not
what he wants to do. He's going here, He has
zero examples of that, and he's coming up with it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Is that an easy task? No, it's not. It's not
an easy task. That's why I don't even I dare
to even use that example because people or use that guy,
the one guy that does it, and be like, see
he can do it, why can't y'all do it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
So I hate I hate that example because it's not
it's hard. That's a hard thing to do, but it
can be done. And I think that's because of free will.
Like it can be done.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
I think that that doesn't disprove my theory because there
are things that are a part of us, our spirit,
our soul that you know, we don't know everything we
don't know that may contribute to us being who we are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, no, it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
If you study it, there may still be a reason
even though it doesn't look likely that that person does that,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I mean I think there's always there's always a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
For several reasons that make that person.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot of reasons.
Like I think it's I think it's a number of things.
I think it's nature, nurture, genes, DNA.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Do you believe in like you have a soul? You
have you you it's part of who you are, or
maybe all of who you are comes from what part
of it comes from just the soul that was placed
in your body, the soul that was brought forth through
your concepts.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
I I do believe in that, but I don't know
if it's the soul that like it's the same and
that's the thing like getting in the weeds, it's basically
the same thing. Because I'm not religious, so it's not
that like, it's not that for me because I mean,

(01:30:38):
like I'm not religious, so it's not I I'm not
talking about religion. Yeah, it's like for me, it's you know,
and I'm not saying I'm not atheist, but when I
say soul, it's probably not the same thing that Christian
would think be thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying that in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
No, but I do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
I do think there's other stuff the universe. I think
we're all tied together. I think we're tied more together
than we know. I think the I think we're tied
to the trees. To there there's like a whole forest
that have underground kind of like Avatar like exactly like that.

(01:31:19):
And it's been proven that there's you know, ties, And
I think that's one of the things why grounding helps people.
Like go outside with your bare feet and walk in
dirt and grass or on the ground. That's what grounding is,
and that gives you a new It does like I've

(01:31:40):
experienced it. It helps a lot like when you're when
you're just going through ship and I would say, meditate grounded. Uh,
but just walk outside, walk outside barefoot? How many people
walk outside barefoot? We used to do it all the time,

(01:32:00):
that's all. We do have shoes, you know. I'm saying
used to I'm talking thousands of years ago. I'm not
talking about nineteen fifty. I'm just saying, like human beings
used to travel, they used to be connected, connected to
the land. I don't want to go off on a
crazy tangent, but to get back to your point, Yeah,

(01:32:21):
I think there are other things, but I don't think
that negates free will take.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Given a situation with you know, different outcomes or different
a decision that you can make out of several different things.
This only happens one time, and you make this one decision.
What is there to say that that there was any

(01:32:48):
scenario where that could have happened a different way, that
happened that way.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Well, you can't say that because you don't know. That's
why that's like, you can't say, like after you make
the decision, you can't say it, but there was several
decisions on the table that could have been made, But
you can't say after you make a certain decision whatever
that is, then after that you can't Like there's there's

(01:33:18):
no turning it. It's sort of how the multiverse works,
how it really works, not back to the future, Like
how kind of how Marvel actually everything, every everywhere, everything everywhere,
all at once explain the multiverse way better than any
other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
You ain't watch that, man, we watch it later. That's
one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
I think I tried It's all like four times, but
I would definitely watch again. But yeah, they explain the
multiverse way better than any any media. But Marvel kind
of explain how scientists kind of explain it, like, once

(01:34:11):
you make that decision, it's this way, Like with the
multiverse theory, there's another you that made this decision and
went this way. It's no, it's just like going back
in time how they explained it. You go back in time.

(01:34:34):
You can't change the past because that is your future
now because you've traveled back in time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
But you're still you, you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Still you know, and it is I know some people
find it hard to understand, and it's all theories.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Don't nobody know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
But as soon as you make that decision, that's where
the timeline goes. Now in theory, there's another you that
made a different decision. I mean in theory there's one hundred,
you know, billions of views all over and making different

(01:35:13):
decisions in each universe whatever it is. And but that's
the thing, like once you make all that, you know,
all that is convolution. But once you make that decision,
like there's no way to know what happens after if
you made a different decision, Like there's no way you

(01:35:33):
can but you can say, but there is, But you
can say in theory that there was other decisions to
make that you could have made.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
There were other options, Yeah, there were other options.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
You chose this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
You chose this option for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
What I'm saying is you said whatever it is. Yeah,
all of who you are, all of your influences. I'm
saying that that's information who you are. All the information
made it. So you chose this thing, your situation, like
it couldn't have been no other way. You weren't going

(01:36:10):
to choose this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Yeah, but you can't say that. I don't think you
can say that that's what you did. Yeah, you did that,
But you can't say you were going to do that,
like you can't say that they were going to make.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
That decision, like I don't. There's no way you can
say that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
It's a theory because there's no way to prove it. Yeah,
I can't say it's wrong. I can't say I'm wrong.
I can't say I'm wrong. I can't say that theory
is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Well, it's a theory. You can't say it's wrong. No, Well, okay, theory.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
No, No, because it's a theory, because you can't you
can't disprove what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
I don't know. Maybe people can. I don't know if
you can or not. I don't have enough tools because
you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Like everything you were saying about the multiverse and going
back in times entertaining in movies. But the more I
think about it, as you're saying it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Real, well you can't say it's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
You can't say it is real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Yeah, you can't say it's not It does a theory
just like your theory, like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
It seems like it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Really well, you wouldn't know it exists if it did.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
But there's there's more evidence that it does exist than not.
Put it that way, that people particles in quantum physics
that behave differently if you look at it, then if
they're just just not looked at and you're just not

(01:37:53):
you know, you're just surveying whatever, say you're surveying space,
you'll see the same particles that are supposed to not
be alive or whatever do something that they always do.
As soon as somebody puts a video camera on them,
they do something else. Like you know, it's a lot

(01:38:17):
of things that could affect their decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
But I don't think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
A an argument against free will. It's funny because I
think I just watched Neil de Grass Tyson talk about this.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Yeah, he was talking to another guy about it, and
I don't know if they were saying anything like what
about like that relates to what I'm saying, But I
might want to watch that again because maybe they were.
But what I'm saying is like, yeah, there's no way
to prove it, but I think I feel it makes

(01:39:02):
sense to me. It makes sense to me, like it's
how I am. How I express what I'm doing in
this moment, may be the only way that it can
be because of all the supporting factors, all of everything

(01:39:22):
I am who I am, like things in the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Past, and see I can't I can't like, I don't know.
I just can't believe that. Personally, No, I personally just
can't believe that that you I mean, I can believe
that everything you know, everything you're saying, I can't believe

(01:39:48):
that's you know, I don't believe that that's an I
believe we have free will, Like I don't believe that's
not an that's an argument against free will.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
I believe that's an argument for having information and making
the proper decision, just as you would in anything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Like I don't think it's it's set up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
It's complicated because it's like, I see what you're saying,
because it's like it's a decision, but why did you
make that decision? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Like and.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Given the specific situation whatever, whether you regret it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Or not, the thing is too there's people out there
that make the wrong decision even after having all the
right information, and you would think that that is I mean,
I'm sure you could do. There could be experiments. They're

(01:40:53):
probably already experiments on this because people are interested in
brain activity and all that stuff. So I'm sure there's
experiments out there that we could probably find. But yeah,
like like kind of like minority report. You saw a
minority report before I think I did, where you know

(01:41:18):
it's pre pre crime. They predicted, they basically predicted what
you would do based off of all your past.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
So yeah, that don't seem right. That would be.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Fine in your theory. No, like that would be fine.
That's not what I have free will. No, that's not
what I'm going to commit a crime.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
I'm not saying I can predict what somebody's gonna do.
I'm saying that's something in them, something uh, you know
in their experience. Uh, it's the reason they choose what
they choose. Oh yeah, I agree with that and in that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
But that don't that's the choice that they would have. Yeah, No,
I don't believe that, But you don't know. Yeah, I
don't know, but I don't believe that, Like, I don't
believe that's the only choice that they would have made.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Okay, because we have beliefs about the before life the
after life, strong belief do we know for sure? Like
do I know for sure who you were before this life?

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
If people believe that, Like, there's people that don't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Beat Okay, exactly, So there's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
People that don't believe we have a soul.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
So I mean, how can how can somebody that don't
don't have a soul or don't believe. Yeah, everything, everything,
your experiences and everything are what shapes your life. But again,
I don't think that's an argument against free will. That

(01:42:52):
is free will, Like that is free will. The fact
that we know that trade just free will.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
What you just said, you said your experiences shape your life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Yeah that's not that, don't mean it's not free will,
Like you have free will to to do whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
That don't mean.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
And just like you have free will to ignore that stuff.
That's the that's the bigger thing. You can ignore all that,
You can ignore being brought up with money and still
go and do whatever the fuck you want to do.
Kill somebody, do whatever you're doing, even though you're you're

(01:43:36):
got everything and they gave you everything and whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
And so what I'm saying, there's a person that there's
a reason for several reasons that person specific person ignored
all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Yeah, there might not be. He just made that decision
because he has he has a conscious brain.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
That goes against my theory.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
That is a reason. That's all I'm saying. There is
a reason. There are reasons that people do that. There
cannot be no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
No, there's no reason that people do that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
The reason is because there are reason for some reason,
for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
There's not a reason for everything, Like there's not a
reason like what Like there's no reason for somebody who
kills a kid, like they may have a reason.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
I don't want to offend nobody. Let's extreme, can we go?
So no, let's extreme example. I'm just there's something I
can say, but I don't want to offend anybody, Like, Uh,
is there another example?

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I mean, that's the most extreme example. I mean anything,
take any crime. The reason anybody does anything, I mean
they may have a mental health issue, which.

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
Or not it could be their way of thinking, or
their where their perspective, or their environment or upbringing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
But that's what I'm saying, Like if their environment was great,
everything was great, Like there's a reason. There's a reason
they did that, and the reason is because they decided to,
Like they're not just out here doing whatever because.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
It's just mandated because they have a conscious brain.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
But it doesn't come from nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
They have a brain. Well, your brain is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Thoughts come from nowhere, Like you can think something from
nowhere because you have you've been given a brain and
you've been given a conscious, conscious thought.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Why did you think that theory?

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Because I mean, why did I think that? Might I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
The like I feel that that's contradictory.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Then it's not contradictory.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Why not because if you're saying you you know, somebody
put put it in there, like it's no, I'm not
saying I'm not saying somebody put nothing anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
I'm saying that the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Everything that who you are, that makes up who you are,
your experiences leads you to make the decisions you make well,
and and you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
So I'm just not blind, Like it's not just blind
experiences that make you you're you think about those experiences,
you take those experiences in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
What has proven my theory which makes you make the
next decision that you were was inevitable for you to make.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
But that's the thing that's not inevitable once you make
that decision you make. Once you make the decision, Once.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
You make that decision, that's the decision you made, So
you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Sign inevitable to make that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
But you can't say that you would have made any
other decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
You can't say you wouldn't know, Like how can you
because you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Can't say you wouldn't have made a different decision, Like
how can you say you didn't. You're going against your
own theory, Like you're going against your own theory. You are,
because you're saying you can't once you make that decision
you can't make.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
You can't say you you can make any other decision.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
You can't make any other decisions, right, But you can't
say that they wouldn't have made any other decision.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Yeah, they didn't. They didn't make that and.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Everything in life ever led up to them making that decision.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Possibly maybe, But let me go back to.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
What I find is, uh, when I when I used
to be like real depressed and I used to think
about my life and oh, man, if I go back,
I would I would never have sex, and oh I
would never even be in a relationship, and oh and
different different things. Oh and ooh, I would have just
focused on school and grades and you know, I wouldn't

(01:48:29):
all of this different stuff. I wouldn't have this stuff
like I would. For some reason, me painting that picture
of my life used to kind of make me feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
But then.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
When I just say to myself, this is the way
it happened, is how it had to happen. I get
some relief from that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Yeah, I mean you can get relief from it. But
maybe it's true, maybe some of that stuff is through though.
That's the thing, like people, people are used. Even though
I'm saying that, you know, everything in your life has
to happen a certain way, and like that brought you here,
but there's people that's not happy with what's here, you

(01:49:13):
know what I mean. So maybe there was a decision
that you could have made differently, and if you did
make that decision differently, maybe your life would have been
better for making that decision differently. But you can't, you
can't change it. That's one of the reasons. That's one
of the things that separate us from animals, from you know,
lower lower animals, because we're animals too, but our conscious

(01:49:36):
decision making, our conscious are thinking, our ability to take
information and analyze it and then deal with it and
try to figure out the next steps. That's part of
what makes us human. And I think too many people
do try to like romanticize their past. And no, sometimes

(01:50:07):
shit happens because you fucked up, like people always want
to say everything happens for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Sometimes life isn't a meritocracy. Stuff happens, bad shit happens
to good people, good shit happens to bad people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
It's just what it is because it's life.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
And maybe the bad shit happened to you because you
fucked up, like and that's just what it is. That
doesn't mean you can't recover from it. It doesn't mean
you can't make a different decision in the future. And
maybe you will make a different decision in the future.
But I also don't think that means you will make
a different decision in the future. That's why I don't

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believe your theory.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
Yeah, the two have nothing to do with each other.
What do you mean you made this decision here and
you made it this decision in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, but that decision in all respects, should.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Have had some type of weight on the that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
But it doesn't have any weight on the new decision.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
What do you mean? Wait, what do you mean? No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
There's people that make decisions and then make the same
damn decision over over.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
What I'm saying is there are several reasons that happens.
It's not just based on one thing that it's true.
I really believe it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
You might believe it, but I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
You don't believe Okay, what don't you believe? Because what
I'm saying is who you are, coupled with your experiences,
coupled with the way.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
The world is. Okay, Like I'm with you, there's several
So there's several things that can lead to you making
a decision or lead to how you are, or lead
to what you do in your life, you know. Yeah,
So like, what is it that you don't believe that
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
You're saying that that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
The gates free will, and that's what I'm saying, that
is free will.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
But listen, I'm not saying what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
What I'm like, I'm with you with all of that,
But that doesn't negate free will.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
That is free will. That's the point. Like that is
free will.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Like, like you are what you're You're making a conscious decision,
and that's what I'm saying. There's people that don't make
that conscious decision. There's people that don't take what happened
to them in the past. There's people that don't take
that into consideration. There's people that don't use that and
continue decisions over and over right, But there's no reason

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for that other than it is them deciding to make
that decision.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Something in them, something that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
It's nothing and that's it. That's just it. There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
How can you say that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
You can't say that there's not a mystical force that
is making.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Them, wait, a mystical force.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
That it sounds like what I'm saying that you are
who you are, I am who I am there are
decisions I'm gonna make that you're not going to make
a vice versa.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Okay, are you wouldn't be? Are you saying that's totally
based on.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Environment and experiences or is there a person in you that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Oh No, I definitely think it's totally based on environment.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
Experiences and Okaya, So it's nature and nurture both your parents.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
You have your parents and your you're uh, the people
that in your family, in your bloodline, part of them
being who they are that partly makes you who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Yes, yes, don't necessarily affect certain decisions you make. But
it does. It does it may, let me put it
that way. It may, but I don't think it always
affects the decisions you make.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
Yeah, I'm not saying that any factor is like standing
on I say they all matter, or in certain situations,
maybe one matters more than the other.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Yeah, and that's the decision to way.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
But there's a reason that you're making that decision, because.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Because your brain you thought of it, and you made
the decision.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
And why did you think of it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Because because of your experiences and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Or because of your makeup there's nothing or because of
your makeup or both combined.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Well, what's what's your makeup? That's the point that that
I think we need to get to that I don't know.
We got enough time, but.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Whether it be and and and I don't believe And
I'm not saying and I'm not saying I have all
the answers, and I'm not saying that any of us
know you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
No, I mean we don't everything everything is a theory
because there are people well no, not everything is a theory.
Let me put take that back. A lot of things
are theories. But there's scientifically proven stuff too. But but
and scientists don't know everything. No, they don't know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
So there are people who believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
We we are spirits or there's spirits inside of our
bodies that and we come.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
And we live this life in our bodies. So there's
people that believe that we live forever.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Right, there's reincarnation, people that believe in reincarnation, people that
believe that we just going to the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
I mean, there's a lot of different beliefs, so and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
And you know, I'm not here trying to defend her
or uh ship on anybody's beliefs like whatever they believe,
that's that's for them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
I'm just speaking on my own beliefs.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
So I'm present in the theory here. Basically, you don't
agree or like my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
No, I don't agree with it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
I don't think it's true basically, but I mean I
can't prove it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
You understand.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
I can't prove it, and you can't prove it, So.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
It's there may be no way to prove it unless.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Yeah, there may be no like not even that, or
if we can go back in time when we can.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Time travel eventually when we're all robots, but.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Not even then, not even not even if like the
robot thing. But as far as time traveling, all right,
you can time travel, but you can you go above?
Can you go outside of this life and say, yeah,
we're souls that you know, come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
What a soul thing?

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
I mean you we're probably well, we may be able
to prove it one day, but yeah, you can't prove
it now. So no, the soule thing is not going
to be proven anytime soon. But what you're saying is

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you have a soul that comes in and it's preordained.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
No, I'm not sorry. No, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
No, you're saying it has a certain Well, I don't
understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
I'm saying that whatever makes you who you are, a
bunch of things, it's a whole bunch of stuff leads
to you making decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Okay, I can get with that. So what I'm saying is,
but there's a reason for that. What I'm saying is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
It seems like what I'm saying is I have a
theory that maybe the decisions that you make are the
only decisions that you could make, that the only decisions
that you would make.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
And that's where I different how already explained. I already
explained it, like we're just talking in circles.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Now, I'm just trying to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
You're not going to understand because you believe that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
I'm not. So it's a theory.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
I know it's a theory, but I'm not saying I
even believe it. It's a No, I'm saying it's a
theory that seems like it may have truth to it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
Okay, and you can't but okay, but you can't disprove it.
You can can't prove that though, like you you're right,
so you're right. There's no you can't disprove it. There's
no uh yeah, there's nowhere to go like checkmate, not

(01:59:24):
even checkmate, it's just check because there ain't nothing else
to do. It's a theory that can't be proven or
disproven unless you are God or you have knowledge of
such things. You can't prove that. There's nothing that affects

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how you the core of who you are, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
That's what I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
I don't believe there's a core of who you are
when you come as a baby. There's stuff in your DNA,
there's there's things that you have from your parents, like
you and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
But I don't think.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
But you can't say that it's not you can't say
that it's not true.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Well now mhmm. You can't say anything is not true.
That ain't uh TecTile.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
But yeah, I don't I don't believe that there's like a.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
I don't know. That just sounds too much.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
You believe people are more so shaped?

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think a lot a lot
of it is nurturing. There's instincts and when I say nature,
there's instinctual things that happen.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
But that disproves you saying like there's a blank slate.
Then yeah, I think I am arguing that there's something there,
whether it be DNA, whether it be if you if
some people want to say it's so, there is something
there too. I think there's something. Like you said, you
you agree at least with the DNA part, But you said, so,

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what accounts for how you feel about something you're your
personal morals?

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Is that? Is that just? I think that's that's that's nurture.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
But you said earlier like you can be raised a
certain way and not go by it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
Yeah, and you make a decision not to, Like that's
not hard to understand me, Like you can make a
decision to not be morally right. I've done it, like
I've done ship in my life. My parents have not
taught me, I have not been around it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
I don't I don't think it's coming from some mystical place.
I don't think it's coming from me as a bait,
like it just in my soul to make these bad decisions.
I think it was coming from my experiences and stuff
that I was I felt like doing because I thought
about it and I was like, this is what I
want to do. I didn't make that decision because of

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why because that's what I wanted to do. But why
because I wanted to? I made then because you're in
you have a conscience. Like you, your brain is able
to process information and think about it. And that's what

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I did. And I made the wrong decision on purpose.
I knew it was wrong morally, I knew it was wrong.
I still did it. That ain't how I was raised.
My parents taught me better, They taught me to do
certain things. They taught me to be a certain type
of person. And I still did not do that. And
I knew it was wrong when I didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
And I'm arguing that there are reasons that you did.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
That, Yeah, And I don't believe so the only reason
was because I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
I thought about it and I wanted to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
I don't believe that I was just destined to make
these badass decisions like what you did that I did,
but you did, Yeah, I did it because I decided
to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
Like that's the point.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
That's the farthest away from from what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Why But there's reasons you decided to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
There's no reason the reasons, there's plenty of reasons, there's
no reason. I think that's a cop out because people
like to think there's a reason, but there is no
reason reason.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Making it a moral thing. I'm not making it a
moral thing. All I'm that. All I'm saying is there
are reasons that you make the decisions that you made.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
The reason was I made it like it wasn't. It
wasn't something sinstical reason. There wasn't nothing in me because
I made that.

Speaker 4 (02:04:02):
An example because yeah, I don't I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Well, I mean we can agree to disagree.

Speaker 4 (02:04:11):
Can you think of an example, because what do you
mean you said? Okay, say when you were younger, you
went and did something right and you got in trouble whatever,
there were reasons you made that decisions to go do that.
It wasn't completely baseless. It didn't come from nowhere.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
No, it didn't come from nowhere.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
It came from my brain to formulate a decision. It
came from me. What are you look the other factors?
You have friends? Right, Yeah, exactly, they contributed, They contributed, right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
There I had.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
I felt like.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
I needed to in one particular way.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
One one.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
I give one example.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
I when I shot, I shot an arrow like from
a compound bow. I could have killed somebody. I'm glad
I didn't. But I shot at an angle because my
cousin they hunted with bowls, and I saw the arrow.

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I always wanted to do the shit because I saw
it on cartoon. I saw that they you know, I
saw when somebody shot the arrow straight up, which is
the dumb ass thing to do. I didn't shoot it
straight up. I shot at an angle and it went
into do house like a mile away, and I just
remember I thought it would be funny. I looked at it.

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I thought it would be funny. I remember the cartoon.
I was like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this
because it'll make my cousin laugh.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
And it didn't. He was like, what the fuck are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
You about to kill somebody and were going to jail,
and I, damn there almost did. And you know, I
got in trouble. Badass decision, no reason other than I
thought about it. I thought I thought about it like
I thought I thought I was gonna be in you know,

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in better with him. He was a little older than me,
so I felt like maybe I can make him laugh,
make him, you know, to show that I can shoot
this bow.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
And it was hard to pull back.

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
Okay, now can I can I say a bunch of
stuff and land? Okay my case. You you said came
from nowhere, right, you just thought about it?

Speaker 3 (02:06:39):
Mm hmm, Well no I didn't. I mean, it didn't
come from nowhere, but it came from something that I
looked at or I thought about it and processed it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
And you know, it wasn't some some mystical thing like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
Even mystical, like just in me. It wasn't in me
to fucking shoot a bow.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
And the whole time it was nurtured because I.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
Saw it on some cartoon that probably, you know, maybe
I shouldn't been watching, or maybe it would have been
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Maybe it was just innosign. That was how I processed
the information.

Speaker 4 (02:07:15):
But this whole time, too, I want to say, I
haven't been saying it's just one thing, not even just
the one thing he did. Whatever's inside of you, I'm
saying it's a buns of things. For some reason, is
you make the decisions that you make and what you described.
You described several things that led to that decision.

Speaker 3 (02:07:37):
And they're all there's things that led to that decision
that I processed through my mental capacity. The process, like
the decision was made, so you can't say, you know,
you can't go back and be like, oh, well, but
I definitely thought about it. I definitely had four different

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scenarios in my head that I thought about and picked
the one that I wanted that I thought would get
the most reaction, Like, yeah, I had that I saw
it was like, yeah, I probably should leave that ship
alone because I don't know how to shoot an arrow.
I don't know how to shoot a bowl for one,
because I didn't hunt, they hunt. But I didn't leave

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alone because I was like, well, that decision ain't gonna
get nobody reaction. Like I consciously thought this, like that
decision ain't gonna get this reaction that I think I want.
So then the next decision is I should just shoot
the barn, which they you know, they had like the

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targets set up and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, I
can just do what you're supposed to do. Why the
fuck would I do that, because that's that's not what
I do because I'm fucking nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
So at the time, that's what I'm thinking, Like, so.

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
I chose the shoot that ship in the air a
mile way.

Speaker 4 (02:09:01):
So all I'm saying is this is a theory and
that I'm just saying, it's a theory that all the factors,
all the factors in this situation.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
Led to that decision, and a theory.

Speaker 4 (02:09:20):
The theory is I'm not saying this, I'm not going
to deep with it. I'm not saying it's a belief,
But I'm saying is the theory is that's the only
thing that you would have and could have chosen because
of all of the factors, there was something in you
that that ended up choosing that you wanted to impress

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you because yeah, the fact that your family even hunted
that put you in that situation, the cartoon you saw
like the first this is your first time doing this.
All the factors led to this decision, which was the
one you picked. And the theory is, and I'm not

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saying it's correct. Let me just say that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
Because you're going to end on this theory.

Speaker 4 (02:10:08):
I'm not saying too much time. And theory is and
it could be. It could be, and I don't know
if it can be, but if it can be, it
can be disproven or proven.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
The theory is.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
That's the only decision that you would have and could
have made, given all the fact that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:28):
Okay, that's all I can say is Okay, I don't
know how you get there, but it's a theory.

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
No I know, But how you get to that theory?

Speaker 4 (02:10:38):
It's a it's a hypothesis, right, but no, but but
how can.

Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
You make my theory wrong? Like you don't know that's
your theory? All right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:49):
All right, well, and I can talk about this theory
because yeah, I don't have the patience to talk about
it for hours. So we're gonna wrap this up, wrap
the pod up. We got like five minutes. But what

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I just said, so people check us out on the
next what you're about to say, we got five minutes.
What you're about to say? What I just said.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
I want you to take this to a scientist and
see what they say. I would like they're going to
tell you that that's that's like the bear.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
You need to go back and think more because they're
gonna be like, that's the bear, that's a bear hypothesis.
Like to get from that to that it's yeah, let's
let's contact. We're gonna contact Neil the grass Tyson. I
don't think so I want to. I don't contact. That's contacting.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
I don't think that's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:11:52):
So next pod, maybe we'll have some exciting news because
I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
I want to contact some right, some scientists.

Speaker 3 (02:12:01):
There's a scientist out there, please reach out. I mean
I will send him an email, but I doubt he'll
get back to us. But uh, maybe maybe. I watched
star Talk all the time, so there's ways to ask that.

Speaker 4 (02:12:19):
But listen, maybe all the factors will lead to him
responding and us having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (02:12:28):
About maybe, and then that will be the only decision,
the decision we could have made. So with that, we're
gonna get out of here. I appreciate y'all joining us.
I hope we wasn't too much going that last segment,
but it was cool though. I appreciate the mental jousting.

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But for now, we are out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
I mean, you know, like thing O, like fin O,
like fin know, as long as you alive, you can
give another track and take a real high if you
want to know