June 15, 2025 • 34 mins
An interview with Transformational Communicator,Podcast Creator, & Host of Scribal House Podcast
She also happens to be a Compelling Writer & Author.
She also happens to be a Compelling Writer & Author.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
No, everyone, and welcome to the and I Thought podcast.
It might become a Writer's Class podcast. So welcome to
the Writer's Class podcast. And yes, I'm gonna keep both
of them in there, because you know how I do.
If I say it, it has to be right. It's
the narcissist in me.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is what happens when you have four podcasts. It's
hard to keep them straight. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh you know what.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have never ever ever told you guys what the
other podcasts are. Oh, I'm gonna take this opportunity to
do that. So we have Meet Hollywood Monday, the Ladies
Tell podcast, the End I Thought podcast, in the Writings Class.
There's also the Author Reality podcast, and then we sponsor
to other ones. So there's like six in total, but
(00:50):
who wants to hear all six when there's four with
me involved narcissism? Yet again, that's two. If I three,
I get to like, I'm out of here. So let
me just sap. Keep my bragging to a limited amount,
because I still got to tell you I wrote books.
Oh there, and I thought to Wars was bad, and
I thought being grown up was easy if only our
(01:10):
me or memoir and Verse, Feign Coffee, Widdow's Web, and
Widow's Debt. If you're recognizing, those are six books, and
those are just the audiobooks, so you can get those
wherever audiobooks are sold. So if you want to see
the rest of our seventeen books, you can go to www.
Dot and I thought ladies dot com and see the
rest of us seventeen books along with everything else that
(01:30):
we do. Actually, we have a new website now that's
cuter and cooler and has more of our stuff that
we do and some of our dirt. But you know
it's great. Is I never tell you where it is.
You got to dig it for on your own. Ha
ha ha ha. All right, this is not about me.
This whole thing is not about me. Although you know,
I could go good thirty five forty minutes just talking
(01:51):
about me. One time we had a two hour podcast,
did not stop talking about me. I enjoyed it. It
was very really to the soul. But this one ain't
about me. This is about our wonderful guests. Wonderful guests.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, hello, hello, hello, hello everyone. My name is Angel
Murray and I am so honored to be here with
your beautiful, wonderful hosts today. Okay, so my name again
is Angel Marie. I am a publisher of scribal House Publishing.
I am also the co author of For Writers to Dream,
the second half of the book. I am the creative
(02:26):
nonfiction writer for the book. And I also have a
podcast which is called scribal House Podcast, which is actually
a revelatory prophetic podcast. I teach people how to maneuver
their spiritual walk with God. And yes, again, I'm just
so excited to be here. I have also authored. I
am a published author of four books and two journals also,
(02:50):
so I'm just excited to be here with your beautiful
guests to discuss our brand new book.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And yeah, okay, I'm loving this introduction. Give me so much.
She was like, there are four books, two journals, it's
a podcast, and you know, my narcissimself, that's three. But
actually it doesn't count. During the interview, I did two
doing this, so we were starting over again new cards. Okay,
(03:16):
so it doesn't count. During the interview, I gotta ask,
do you have guests on this podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know what, I've never had. Guess, I've never had
any Guess, never Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I really should not be interested in this, But how
on earth do you find topics to talk about?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Guess thee Okay, honestly, So when I say prophetic relatory,
I mean it literally. I could have a moment right now,
something that happened. I'd be like, okay, God, you were
talking to me, and that will be a topic. Literally,
my daughter can say something and it all trigger like
a memory or a scripture and I'm like, okay, God,
you were talking to me, and I literally would just
revelatory insight and just you know, allow God to speak
(03:58):
through me, you know, and allow the scriptures to come
forward and aligned with what the Lord has taught me.
So literally, it's just a daily thing. Since it's my lifestyle,
It's just a daily thing. So I never sit down
and plan. I'm not that deep, okay, So I'm just like, Okay,
I'm gonna talk about this today, you know what I mean.
So I'm kind of envious of people that plan real strategically.
(04:20):
I'm like, oh, I want to be like you girl
when I grow up. I want that in my life.
But that's just how I am. I'm really free flowing
and okay, but yeah, that's how I get my topics,
can I ask?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, no, No, I completely and totally agree. This is
a great way to do your type. When we first
started off this podcast, it was just like, we're gonna
sit down and talk. Yeah, conversation once a week.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So and then I started talking. I was like, do
I want to do all this talking?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Right, I want to hear other people's wisdom because you know,
I know my wisdom. Yeah, I want to know other
people's wisdom.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And that is where I couldn't learn it is. I
want to grow. I don't want to be stuck. So
it's like you know me listening to you and feed
off your energy. I'm like, yes, girl, yes, look I
found someone else like me a little bit with that energy.
So I love it. Oh look look question right, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Running from the best person ever. You're learning from the
person with the old wisdom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I love it. See that's what I need. I need
more wisdom. I want a girl. I want to have
more people. I want to start more people. So yes, girl,
I see your value. I see your value.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I wasn't talking about men, you said, You're talking about God. No,
good grit. I'm not that narcissistic girl. You know, my
narcissism has bounds.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Too. I like your energy, so so yeah, so it's yeah,
I love it. It's it's pretty good because again, I
think when I first started out, I started out in
twenty twenty three in November, I was crazy, like I
got a plan and I'm trying to make sure I'm
speaking a certain way, and I just got far from
the message and the message was just not message okay,
(06:01):
And I'm like, God, I got to stop this, Lord,
this is not working out. And I just felt God
tell me, like, girl, like no, you're trying to be something.
You're trying to not do what I'm telling you to do.
So it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, God, I repent, Okay, God,
what you want to say to the people? And boom?
You know. And honestly, the times when I just that's
(06:21):
when I have my most powerful episodes for real, you know.
So it's been cute. It's been cute because I love
to talk, so it's like, yeah, and teach. So it's
been really good. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, someone who loves to talk and teach. It is
good at words. It's a good word. It must be
great at writing. I love you have four books. Can
you tell us a bit about the books?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, So with my four books, again, they're all focused
around inspirational and faith and scripture writing and honestly, just
getting believed was just excited about God and getting people
excited about that walk with the Lord and people to
understand that it is God got good. God has good
things for us, good things planned for us. Right, but
(07:06):
we have to know, we have to know. And the
wisdom that I provide is really just to help people
maneuver their walk with the Lord. Nothing deep, nothing too deep,
nothing too meaty. And it's also mixed with well, my
first two books is uh poetry, so it's creative poetry,
so which I also love, so I can totally relate
to that. So yeah, it's creative poetry, faith based writing.
(07:29):
My first two books and what you all can find
on Amazon. And my last two books. No, I'm sorry,
my last book was a poetry writing and the book
for for that was just more just faith based writing,
just with scriptures and things in that nature. But yeah,
so honestly, everything that the Lord has me to do
is just really comes to my walk with Him and
I just share it.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So yeah, that sounds amazing. I love the fact that
you did a m poetry. Was there a choice for
that or that just the just.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Hit you it inspiration? I started out one way and
it ended up going the next way and okay, God,
these words are rhyme it Okay, God, I'll see what
you're doing and it just flows. So kind of like
going back to that non planner in me and just
allowing the Holy spiritual to just lead and guide me.
And there it was, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
And I'm sure you can relate when you don't plan
for something. We in some aspects, since you are a
(08:20):
planner to some capacity, right when you read something and
you're like, I didn't attend this, but oh my gosh,
it sounds so good, right, I'm sure you can relate
to that. So that's kind of how that was for me,
which my last book which actually made me a bestseller,
and I wasn't anticipated. I was just really proud of
the work. Again, it was poetry writing and it's called
(08:43):
pen and Paper equals Poetic Prayers for the Weary Soul.
So yeah, check it out my face on Amazon when
you get the opportunity. So I think it's a really
good book. It's easy, it's an easy read, but it's
if I think it really touches the heart. And it's
just a book of prayers. And again it's not it's
not deed, it's not religious, you know what I mean.
(09:04):
It's just honest, honest living because we go through things
every day and people need you know, people need help.
And I'm just that vessel that I'm willing to be.
I guess, you know with all my stuff put out there,
you know what I mean, because people don't want their
stuff to be shown, Okay, but I'm willing if it's
going to help somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So yeah, that's like the greatest part of writing. Also,
I hear it often it's the most fearful part of
writing is putting your ideas and part of yourself onto
a page for other people to read, be available. But
I feel like, as long as someone is learning something,
what does that matter? And so you can stop someone
from doing the exact same stupid mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's mm hmmmm. And you know, I will say for
me as far as writing, I had to let go
of that fear of trying to please everyone in my writing.
So I even put that inside the book you know,
I identify who your ideal audience is and just be
intentional to write for that one person, you know, because
everyone else may not gravitate to your book. And that's
(10:08):
okay if you're writing for that one person who's going
to get it, who life may change because of your story. Oh,
you won, you won, you succeeded. And that's what I
slowly had to learn because I was all for the
peak everybody, and I'm like, this is not for everybody.
I won't lie, it was. It was. It was a
little disappointing because I wanted my word to again touch everyone.
(10:30):
So I had to come out of that place where
it's like, okay, girl, it is not for everybody, angel
and it's going to be okay, it's for who is
for And again I put that in a book that
once you identify that, you're not gonna have to chase people.
You're not chasing people. You're gonna attract the right people
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So exactly. No, I love the point that you just
brought out about like knowing your audience. It brings me
to the question about when you first got started writing, actually,
did you think you were going to have three books?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Never Okay. Honestly, when I first wrote my first book,
it was something I always wanted to do, but I
thought I had to go to the traditional route, you
got to send the query letters. Until I really discovered
self publishing, I thought it was just something I just
need to get out of me, like I don't to write,
but never with the thought process of I'm going to
be a writer, like it was just limited I want
(11:24):
to write a book. But I realized that the desire
was just in me to continue to write, and it
just grew from that point on. But no, it was
never in my heart I'm going to be a consistent
writer and I'm going to publish three additional books, you know.
So honestly, I just was. I just was as surprised
as the people, you know, like oh wow. You know,
(11:47):
I'm like, girl, I'm saying oh wow too, because I didn't.
I didn't anticipate it, you know. But it worked out beautifully. Though.
When I just I guess let go of like, okay,
that it should be this way, be that way. I
thought someoney about that a little bit, you know, when
you were trying to be religious in something instead of
just flowing. So I think when I just started to flow.
(12:08):
It just allowed me to create my best self, you know,
and it just worked better for me that way. But no,
to answer that, no, never never thought it, never thought it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
There's a quote attributed to Albert Einstein that says that
you know, creativity is genius at play. And I think
it's kind of funny as we were like we planning,
and I was like, who planned as a child, who
ran around really planning out their play? I mean there
are some kids that plan out there play like this, sure,
but there are most kids whore just like and I'm
here why finding our flow? Finding that that let letting
(12:46):
ourselves allow show up on our genius u playground and
be like this goes. Yeah, I love that, you know,
the three books instead of one?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I know, right, I know? And you know what was
interesting from me because around me, in my little community
of people, it was no other Well. I had one
person who was a writer and my best friend, but
I didn't communicate with her a lot. We didn't talk
about writing it a lot. So to me, I was
about myself trying to create, going through a whole publishing
process that I didn't know what I was doing. So
(13:19):
it was interesting the journey was very interesting. What me
and when you call it, I still came from the
trenches because girl, I didn't know what I was doing.
Oh gosh, it was a beautiful disaster. I will say
it was a beautiful disaster. You know. I'm still proud
of it. But looking back, I'm like, girl, girl, what girl? Girl?
(13:39):
You werepeeding, you were repeating things, you punctionation was horrible. Oh.
I just tried to give myself grace to mercy. That's all.
That's all, you know. But yeah, it's very profound because,
like you said, that genius playground. You know, I'm glad
that I went that route, that I just allowed myself
(14:00):
and not to feel hindered because I always thought that.
I that's why I honor what you said. As far
as you know, you got all your degrees, which is amazing.
I wanted to be that type of like I'm being
school all the time. You know, I love that. But
you know, I've been in school a lot, and I'm like,
what's cool? Cool? But I feel too constricted. I can't
(14:20):
explain it. I feel too I feel like I'm in
a box. So I think when I write, I feel
free and I need that. I need to feel free.
You know. I'm sure you understand about that free and
that's why you got so many podcasts. You know, you
love your creativity. You love feeling free too. You love
feeling free too, so you understand what I'm saying. But yes,
I love it, like the creator of the genius playground
(14:43):
just to create.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know, I'm not exactly the person who plays by
the rule. I'm gonna say, like the whole creative genius
of the player going outside of the lines and stuff.
For school, but I mean kindergarten, the teacher always woman
had to color inside the lines, and I was very
upset about that. So then I just got a black
marker out and I drew the lines I wanted to draw,
and then I colored them. Also, oh man, inside the lines,
(15:07):
and she's inside my life and you was in kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Look, okay, that's creative. Look, that's what you call creative
right there. I would have never thought. Look, it's fat.
I would never thought to do that, Like, oh I
got a color in these lines. Okay, but that's that's
that's good, like right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean because like you can get a picture
and that's not that's not what I felt like drawing
that day, Yeah, I felt like coloring.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So true. You know what's interesting. A really quick story,
A separate situation happens to my daughter who is seven. Right,
So her teacher told her that she needs a color
in the line. So my daughter's like, okay, I'm gonna
color in the line. And what she did was she
took because it was one of those color by No,
it was just different boxes they wanted you to color.
You know what. Obviously you know they hit a whole
(15:56):
bunch of different boxes color in the line. So one
does like, okay, she took her pencil on her crown
and literally just color. Her teacher got mad and said,
you're supposed to color in the line, and she's like
I did. She's like no, you just color. And to me,
I'm like, no, no, no, no, you're not coming from my child,
because my child she's still colored in your life. But
she didn't color the way you wanted to color. Does
(16:17):
that mean it's wrong? No? It does it? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So perception right, because I am inside you didn't tell
me which.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Line, come on, and you didn't tell me which color.
She got mad at her about the color because she
chose one. Okay, see see I can go on and on,
but see, because I see how people try to restrict
and limit creativity, I don't like that exactly. That's why
I'm like, oh, I love what you just said. You
did like like, so girl, yo, Jenius was happening that
(16:47):
fave years o. It was already cooking and you was cooking.
So it's like, yes, thank you guy that you let
it cook and you didn't put it to the side, Like, oh,
forget it. What if you were to put it to
the side.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That was something that I heard when I was seven
years old, and I promise I'm not going to talk
about me after. It's just like I heard when I
was seven years old and they were like because I
was writing, and they're like, oh, you're a good writer now.
But as you grow up, everyone loses so much creativity
that they don't there are just a few of us
who are actually going to be writers and novelists. This
is your greatest peak of creativity. And I was like,
(17:22):
I will never let that happen to me. I don't
care how old I am. I will always find time
to be creative. Yes, it will never ever die. And
then like think about it. Like when I was in
high school, I thought about the fact that they give
you problems and one of the things that they were
always looking for is someone who thinks about the problem
in a different way. And then you kill that creativity, well,
(17:46):
then obviously there's going to be no one who thinks
about it in a different way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This is so good. So oh look, let me say
one thing about that same thing happened to my daughter.
She got the right answer, but they didn't like the
fact that she came up with that book correct answer
in a different method that you show them. And it's
like what the control right? The control? The constraint is
(18:10):
just so insane and bizarre, you know, And if you
let them, like you said, you would just be like
everybody else. And that's not what we want, you know.
I don't want that. I don't want that for you.
I don't want that for my children. Like, no, we're
gonna be creative out here, Okay, we're gonna be God
designed us to beat. And that's creative.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean, it's the age of information. And if you're
not creative with what you already know, I mean, at
some point, you know, AI will come get everybody else
know because you're teaching it. You better be creative with
what you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Better be just like you better be. Okay, No, that's
the truth, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Now we're gonna get back on subject. You see what
I said that Like before we started, I said, this
interview might be ten to seventeen minutes long, but we
often get off subject. And while I.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
WHI we talked it. But you know what why.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We're gonna get back on subject a little bit. You
have made a creative turn from inspiration to a book
on writing. Oh my goodness, talking about opt opposite ends
of the spectrum. How did that go? Did you have
to like change the way you see things or the
way Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Absolutely, that's so interesting. Yeah, because first of all, I
love I do love research. I guess part of my
love for research like a scripture. So it's in me already.
But I won't lie I totally. And like I said,
I expressed this, but when I did struggle a tabit
because it was so different for me. But it's interesting
it Honestly, it just was flowing out and I think
(19:40):
it flowed out more when I kind of had to
set aside that. Okay, Angel, this is a how to book,
you're teaching people as opposed to you just you know,
you know, you're the different you know, and not being
structured and not being inspirational. But I will say a
good thing about it is that people still get that
side of me in the book. People still get an
inspirational in the cur because you know, as you can
(20:01):
relate us writers, we need that inspiration, We need that
encouragement to keep going because so many days and night
we want to quit. So I bring that along the
journey on this book right as I'm guiding, as I'm
teaching you how to write a book, how to create
the characters, how to create the ply, the scenery. So
I'm still encouraging the writer, like, hey, you got this,
(20:23):
use your five senses, you know what I mean to
make it. You know, I'm still motivating you because that's
who I am. Encouraging you. But I'm a boom boom boom.
We're gonna want two three. We're gonna bullet it right now,
as opposed to just encouraging it. We're gonna bullet that
thing and you're gonna understand what ease And Yeah, but
I will say initially it was a bit of a
challenge for me to sway away from that just uh,
(20:48):
inspirational writing into a structure writing. It was it was
a little bit of a challenge because my brain was
just wired I'm gonna encourage, I'm gonna inspire. But again
I got to do it, but just in a different way.
So it it worked out really good. And I'm really
and not to both. Look I'm not both. I'm not
you know, narcissist, nothing like that. But I'm very proud
(21:08):
of this baby. And I saw when I said Whenny,
this is a winner, like this is really a winner
for writers that are really interested in becoming the best
writer that that can be and they are really getting
amazing authors and writers that are strategically aligned for them.
But it was a bit of a challenge. But I
(21:30):
think that that the audience that the reader will be well,
will appreciate it a lot. So yeah, but it was
a challenge.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But I said that, but now you have a whole
another skill set, you have, you have a whole other
playground now to go play on. Whenever you do something,
you're like new playground.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, you're sober. I get to look at it like that,
and you know when he you know, she allowed me,
you know, on her platform to teach a class on
the plot and from the book. So that was amazing
and I just was like, wow, this is so much fun,
you know. But yeah, it's totally worked out. It's totally
worked out.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Do you think is what do you have planned for
yourself next? Or what do you think is and then
what do you think is next? Okay? Yeah, what do
you plan? And then what do you think might Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So what I'm thinking next, I'm thinking of creating like
a not a journal, but sometimes for the moms, right again,
more like creative short stories for mothers. You know, just
you know, us moms we need encouragement. We need that
motivation when we just want to give up and just
(22:43):
throw everybody in a garbage you know what I'm saying.
So obviously wanted women moms to be encouraged, but be
encouraged by the Lord that you know, God got us.
And so I'm thinking about creating again little short cute
stories that have a deep message rooted in the story.
Every want every story to be different per the mom,
just you know, have encouragement. But that's something again, that's
(23:05):
something I'm thinking about, you know, and I'm thinking about
what's have a problem, get another podcast, maybe something for children.
I do. Obviously I have a well I shouldn't stay Obviously.
I was gonna say I have a love for children.
But you know what, how many moms you know that
got kids but they ain't got no love for children.
I'm having too much stung. I'm having too much fun.
Cause let's be real, how many moments you know right
(23:28):
now you can probably call them up and be like, girl,
you know you love your children, and girl, they don't
care two cents about them kids. They don't care two cents,
But I really care. I really care about the children.
So I don't know. I'm thinking something about the children.
Just I don't know. So yeah, I'm just my creative
like you said that, this creative playground, always thinking, you know,
(23:48):
and sometimes I get over whem by creativity. I do
sometime beause I want to do so many things and
then at that point I just need to sit down
and have a latte. That's how you do it. You
have a you have a Carlo Lotze and you just
sit there. I don't you know, I don't do drugs,
nothing like that, So it's like, you know, you sit down,
you have that latte. You're real hot. You gotta be
(24:09):
real hot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And somehow Oh yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, that lot I say that, journal girl, you just
right like, Okay, that's what I'm about to do. That's
what we're about to do. Okay, I'm not I'm not
arguing with that. Okay. So yeah, that's what I have
to do sometime seriously, you know, so because it's like
decisions decisions, and I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I think I'm gonna put it another antidote about me.
But a lot of times people ask us how do
we get done everything that we got done while I
was going to school. So we were on tour for twenty
six weeks out of the year, okay, while I was
in school writing seventeen books. Oh what Yeah? And I
ran other businesses while I did that, so a lot
(24:54):
this is real hot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Huh, it's real life.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, So it was. It was in and everyone goes, well,
how did you do everything? How did you get everything
set up? And you come up with an idea and
then you ask yourself a few questions and then you
figure out the logistics of how it's going to go
and how you're gonna get people to sign up and
where you're going to market, and then you put that
idea on a calendar, on a block of time where
you know you have time to put to do it,
(25:18):
and then you give yourself about fourteen days to a
month to set it up, and then you hit the
PR tour. So during the whole time you're doing you're
figuring out your PR tour, you hit the PR tour
and then you get the people and I was like,
but you see, the thing is like your brain is
always working, so it's always coming up with the ideas.
All you want to do is be like, all right,
can I do this calendar how you're going to do it?
(25:38):
And you'd be like, this, this is the time that
I have free, so it gets done.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right here exactly. That's true.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But you're never really overwhelmed. You just know that this
next idea is coming up in like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Two months exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The idea after that it'll be up and uh in August,
you know, in July, and there you go. So you're like, yay,
and then you like, if you're while you're doing your
other stuff, you're like, hey, you're telling people, Joe, so
in July this thing is happening now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Okay, okay, good question. Okay, Oh my gosh, this is
so good because I used to feel crazy and I
operated like that like I'm doing this right now, I'm
doing that. I used to feel like that was a
crazy like the crazy girl in me, but I realized
it's just the creative side. So let me ask you.
Did you did you think that like you was crazy
for acting like for doing that at first? Like did
you ever have that thought?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You were asking the girl who sat down and was like, now, hey,
how do I make this work? Where I cause I
used to have when I came home from school, I
took two hours to think about adults have put in
front of me that I did not like. Okay, okay,
so you're asking the girls. It was like, how do
I make this line thing work?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I know I never felt crazy? Okay, dump, it's got
to work for me. I just don't know how we
are right?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, why would I? I mean, were you at seventeen,
like you was writing seventeen books, like of course it
worked for you. What that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I gotta figure out how it works for me. And
then the moment I figure it out, well, then now
we're good. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh my gosh, dang, that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Those who don't have kids. So maybe that's why it
works so well.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's true. I'm like, man, I'm gonna be like that,
you know when I grow up one day, I'm I'm
a woo.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But the big secret was I only got four to
six hours of sleep for like multiple years, for about
four years. Oh man, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Dang. Were you mean when you didn't get sleep? No? Okay,
but was I tired?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Was my body tired?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah? I'm sure because you know, when we get well.
For me, when I get tired, I'm just cranky. I'm irritating,
like just leave me alone. Like, but that's good. It
wasn't like that.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That that's Jade. If she's not getting a full eight.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When we were on tour, I was like, I have
to plan a full eight for her. Otherwise she shows
up the interviews like touch me.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Oh see what happened?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
She gets a full eight, he'll be up.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We know what we need, we know what we have
need of. Yeah, let's not even play with ourselves. You know.
That's good to know. That's good to know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think I think everyone tells me once you get
older that the whole sleep thing is important. So I'm
start playing for my sleep.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I know. No, it is like I just be I
just be tired, I mean exhaust. It's the three kids,
you know, Like I just be tired, you know what.
I just be like, Okay, well it's like it's like
that you got to keep on going on, you got
to keep on going. But yeah, sometimes I.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Guess you kept on going. You now have four books.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I'm so oh my gosh, seriously, I'm so excited
like this man, Like I said, I don't want to boast,
you know, I don't want to boast, but it is amazing.
It's an amazing book. And I'm just I've been lately
even bringing the reviews on Amazon, and oh my gosh,
my heart just was so happy, you know, and to
(29:03):
read authentic reviews, you know, you know, of course you
want to read good reviews, but you can also appreciate
the you know, not so good ones as well. But
thus far, all the reviews have really been positive, and
I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know. And it's
certain certain things people have said about the creative non
fiction part I'm just like, look, I'm saying to myself,
(29:26):
oh you really like that part? Okay, Like maybe certain
parts I probably hesitated to write, and I'm like I'm
gonna put it in there and people will be like, no,
it worked. I'm like, yes, it's two o'clock in the morning.
I'm good to hear that, you know. So, just to
know that the book really is really helping people, it's
really feeding people, it's really registering with people. Man. And
(29:48):
if it was just one, seriously, if it was just one,
that's okay, because especially with this being our first structural book,
it's like, wow, that was amazing. Yeah. So it's just
a proud moment. It really is. I'm humble, I really am.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So two questions. One question number one, what three things
would you tell people who are getting started on like
their first book and they're looking at a series, looking
at maybe two three, four books out What are the
three things that you would tell them? And then the
second one is where do we buy the four books?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh? Right, okay, of course, okay, what are three things
I would tell people? And I know it's going to
sound so hard. I know it is, and people are
gonna be like, girl, but I'm so serious. I would
just say, just get started, just start writing. And I'm
letting you know, people make excuses. Sometimes the excuses were procrastination.
It's a lot of things evolved, you know why people
just don't write. But I will honestly say, just start.
(30:44):
If you got to start on a bus, if you
got to start, just eating your dinner, just get that
piece of paper and just start writing. We're not looking
people are not looking for perfection. People are looking for authenticity. Okay,
so that's my second point. Be authentic, Be you be
the writer that's brewing inside of you. We already read
(31:04):
books from other you know, writers, fiction or non fiction, poets,
and et cetera. We want to see what you have
inside of you, the creative that's flowing inside of you.
So I would say, just start, just start writing. Be authentic.
And and this is not one people be like, how
can I have fun? This is driving me crazy? But
I would say how fun because looking back on my
(31:25):
personal journey, I was crazy because I wanted to produce
so much. I wanted to produce this book, and it
drove me crazy. So I would just say, just really
try to enjoy your writing. And if you can get
to that place that's gonna really take so much pressure
off and that's gonna really allow you to really just
(31:46):
calm down. First of all. You know, maybe that's a
four thing. Look four things, calm down, you know, look
calm down. But yeah, just start writing. Be authentic, be
who you really are, no phonies, because people can tell
when you're not real. You know, like hold only you
you real? I see you real, and I think you
can see this is this is real? We being authentic,
(32:08):
it's no, it's no fakeness. We'll be in our sales.
So just start writing, be authentic, enjoy it, and bonus,
just calm down because your book is going to be
who is four You're going to Your book is going
to attract who is for Your readers are going to
be attracted to you because they're going to resonate with
you with what you're talking about, what you're writing about,
(32:28):
and where you can find a book on Amazon And
then well, yes, you can find the books on Amazon,
and you can also go to wins Publishing for for
writers who dream, but for my for my other for books,
you can go to Amazon and uh, it'll be under
Angel M. Walker or Angel m actings. I hope y'all
(32:50):
got that Angel M. Walker or Angel M Actings. But yeah,
but for writers who dream, definitely, Angel Marie and Winnie.
When Winnifred to our always miss pronounced her last name,
so I'm not gonna play her. I love money too much.
I will not play money like that, so miss not
her last name. But yes on Amazon or on wins Publishing,
(33:11):
When's books is keithing dot com, so yes, Oh my goodness,
they're gonna love you.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Please go check out those books. Be inspired. And if
you are having trouble writing, I think you should pick
up that book as well. So like when she inspires
you to get your life together, write about it because
she she told you how to write about it too.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
There you go, send me an email, Send me an email.
I want to write about how the book you know,
how you got your life together? Girl or not?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's right. So since she's wrapped up over there, I'm
gonna wrap it up for us over here. And I
said to us, because there's normally a jade around here somewhere.
I think it's been about a year since she's done this,
but whatever, she'll be back soon enough.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Important.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I've known on one of the Anti I Thought Ladies.
You can find out everything that your ladies are up
to at n www dot ant I Thought Ladies dot come.
If you happen to find that secret site where we
have everything else up there, then I'll feel free to
look at that one too. Go down to the bottom
of the page of Anti Thought Ladies dot com and
you can see the three charities that we proudly support.
(34:11):
I'd like you to know that this year the Inspiration
Women in Literatary Media and Journalism Awards are supporting them
as well. That's our annual fundraising events for those three charities.
It's happening in junkes. You can support us by supporting
that as well. But if you can't, you can all
give money. You can always get your hands dirty by
getting involved, or you can give a little information or
(34:32):
wisdom towards those groups because sometimes there's a little spot
where they need some more information and volunteers to help out.
Maybe you're one of those people. If all out fails,
money helps, We thank you in advance for assisting them
as well. And remember that wisdom is all around you
if you're open to finding it and accepting it. So
peace and love you guys from will Nona and the
(34:52):
Missing Jade. Oh yeah, thanks for listen,
No, everyone, and welcome to the and I Thought podcast.
It might become a Writer's Class podcast. So welcome to
the Writer's Class podcast. And yes, I'm gonna keep both
of them in there, because you know how I do.
If I say it, it has to be right. It's
the narcissist in me.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is what happens when you have four podcasts. It's
hard to keep them straight. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh you know what.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have never ever ever told you guys what the
other podcasts are. Oh, I'm gonna take this opportunity to
do that. So we have Meet Hollywood Monday, the Ladies
Tell podcast, the End I Thought podcast, in the Writings Class.
There's also the Author Reality podcast, and then we sponsor
to other ones. So there's like six in total, but
(00:50):
who wants to hear all six when there's four with
me involved narcissism? Yet again, that's two. If I three,
I get to like, I'm out of here. So let
me just sap. Keep my bragging to a limited amount,
because I still got to tell you I wrote books.
Oh there, and I thought to Wars was bad, and
I thought being grown up was easy if only our
(01:10):
me or memoir and Verse, Feign Coffee, Widdow's Web, and
Widow's Debt. If you're recognizing, those are six books, and
those are just the audiobooks, so you can get those
wherever audiobooks are sold. So if you want to see
the rest of our seventeen books, you can go to www.
Dot and I thought ladies dot com and see the
rest of us seventeen books along with everything else that
(01:30):
we do. Actually, we have a new website now that's
cuter and cooler and has more of our stuff that
we do and some of our dirt. But you know
it's great. Is I never tell you where it is.
You got to dig it for on your own. Ha
ha ha ha. All right, this is not about me.
This whole thing is not about me. Although you know,
I could go good thirty five forty minutes just talking
(01:51):
about me. One time we had a two hour podcast,
did not stop talking about me. I enjoyed it. It
was very really to the soul. But this one ain't
about me. This is about our wonderful guests. Wonderful guests.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, hello, hello, hello, hello everyone. My name is Angel
Murray and I am so honored to be here with
your beautiful, wonderful hosts today. Okay, so my name again
is Angel Marie. I am a publisher of scribal House Publishing.
I am also the co author of For Writers to Dream,
the second half of the book. I am the creative
(02:26):
nonfiction writer for the book. And I also have a
podcast which is called scribal House Podcast, which is actually
a revelatory prophetic podcast. I teach people how to maneuver
their spiritual walk with God. And yes, again, I'm just
so excited to be here. I have also authored. I
am a published author of four books and two journals also,
(02:50):
so I'm just excited to be here with your beautiful
guests to discuss our brand new book.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And yeah, okay, I'm loving this introduction. Give me so much.
She was like, there are four books, two journals, it's
a podcast, and you know, my narcissimself, that's three. But
actually it doesn't count. During the interview, I did two
doing this, so we were starting over again new cards. Okay,
(03:16):
so it doesn't count. During the interview, I gotta ask,
do you have guests on this podcast?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know what, I've never had. Guess, I've never had
any Guess, never Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I really should not be interested in this, But how
on earth do you find topics to talk about?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Guess thee Okay, honestly, So when I say prophetic relatory,
I mean it literally. I could have a moment right now,
something that happened. I'd be like, okay, God, you were
talking to me, and that will be a topic. Literally,
my daughter can say something and it all trigger like
a memory or a scripture and I'm like, okay, God,
you were talking to me, and I literally would just
revelatory insight and just you know, allow God to speak
(03:58):
through me, you know, and allow the scriptures to come
forward and aligned with what the Lord has taught me.
So literally, it's just a daily thing. Since it's my lifestyle,
It's just a daily thing. So I never sit down
and plan. I'm not that deep, okay, So I'm just like, Okay,
I'm gonna talk about this today, you know what I mean.
So I'm kind of envious of people that plan real strategically.
(04:20):
I'm like, oh, I want to be like you girl
when I grow up. I want that in my life.
But that's just how I am. I'm really free flowing
and okay, but yeah, that's how I get my topics,
can I ask?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, no, No, I completely and totally agree. This is
a great way to do your type. When we first
started off this podcast, it was just like, we're gonna
sit down and talk. Yeah, conversation once a week.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So and then I started talking. I was like, do
I want to do all this talking?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Right, I want to hear other people's wisdom because you know,
I know my wisdom. Yeah, I want to know other
people's wisdom.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And that is where I couldn't learn it is. I
want to grow. I don't want to be stuck. So
it's like you know me listening to you and feed
off your energy. I'm like, yes, girl, yes, look I
found someone else like me a little bit with that energy.
So I love it. Oh look look question right, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Running from the best person ever. You're learning from the
person with the old wisdom.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I love it. See that's what I need. I need
more wisdom. I want a girl. I want to have
more people. I want to start more people. So yes, girl,
I see your value. I see your value.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I wasn't talking about men, you said, You're talking about God. No,
good grit. I'm not that narcissistic girl. You know, my
narcissism has bounds.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Too. I like your energy, so so yeah, so it's yeah,
I love it. It's it's pretty good because again, I
think when I first started out, I started out in
twenty twenty three in November, I was crazy, like I
got a plan and I'm trying to make sure I'm
speaking a certain way, and I just got far from
the message and the message was just not message okay,
(06:01):
And I'm like, God, I got to stop this, Lord,
this is not working out. And I just felt God
tell me, like, girl, like no, you're trying to be something.
You're trying to not do what I'm telling you to do.
So it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, God, I repent, Okay, God,
what you want to say to the people? And boom?
You know. And honestly, the times when I just that's
(06:21):
when I have my most powerful episodes for real, you know.
So it's been cute. It's been cute because I love
to talk, so it's like, yeah, and teach. So it's
been really good. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, someone who loves to talk and teach. It is
good at words. It's a good word. It must be
great at writing. I love you have four books. Can
you tell us a bit about the books?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, So with my four books, again, they're all focused
around inspirational and faith and scripture writing and honestly, just
getting believed was just excited about God and getting people
excited about that walk with the Lord and people to
understand that it is God got good. God has good
things for us, good things planned for us. Right, but
(07:06):
we have to know, we have to know. And the
wisdom that I provide is really just to help people
maneuver their walk with the Lord. Nothing deep, nothing too deep,
nothing too meaty. And it's also mixed with well, my
first two books is uh poetry, so it's creative poetry,
so which I also love, so I can totally relate
to that. So yeah, it's creative poetry, faith based writing.
(07:29):
My first two books and what you all can find
on Amazon. And my last two books. No, I'm sorry,
my last book was a poetry writing and the book
for for that was just more just faith based writing,
just with scriptures and things in that nature. But yeah,
so honestly, everything that the Lord has me to do
is just really comes to my walk with Him and
I just share it.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So yeah, that sounds amazing. I love the fact that
you did a m poetry. Was there a choice for
that or that just the just.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Hit you it inspiration? I started out one way and
it ended up going the next way and okay, God,
these words are rhyme it Okay, God, I'll see what
you're doing and it just flows. So kind of like
going back to that non planner in me and just
allowing the Holy spiritual to just lead and guide me.
And there it was, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
And I'm sure you can relate when you don't plan
for something. We in some aspects, since you are a
(08:20):
planner to some capacity, right when you read something and
you're like, I didn't attend this, but oh my gosh,
it sounds so good, right, I'm sure you can relate
to that. So that's kind of how that was for me,
which my last book which actually made me a bestseller,
and I wasn't anticipated. I was just really proud of
the work. Again, it was poetry writing and it's called
(08:43):
pen and Paper equals Poetic Prayers for the Weary Soul.
So yeah, check it out my face on Amazon when
you get the opportunity. So I think it's a really
good book. It's easy, it's an easy read, but it's
if I think it really touches the heart. And it's
just a book of prayers. And again it's not it's
not deed, it's not religious, you know what I mean.
(09:04):
It's just honest, honest living because we go through things
every day and people need you know, people need help.
And I'm just that vessel that I'm willing to be.
I guess, you know with all my stuff put out there,
you know what I mean, because people don't want their
stuff to be shown, Okay, but I'm willing if it's
going to help somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So yeah, that's like the greatest part of writing. Also,
I hear it often it's the most fearful part of
writing is putting your ideas and part of yourself onto
a page for other people to read, be available. But
I feel like, as long as someone is learning something,
what does that matter? And so you can stop someone
from doing the exact same stupid mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's mm hmmmm. And you know, I will say for
me as far as writing, I had to let go
of that fear of trying to please everyone in my writing.
So I even put that inside the book you know,
I identify who your ideal audience is and just be
intentional to write for that one person, you know, because
everyone else may not gravitate to your book. And that's
(10:08):
okay if you're writing for that one person who's going
to get it, who life may change because of your story. Oh,
you won, you won, you succeeded. And that's what I
slowly had to learn because I was all for the
peak everybody, and I'm like, this is not for everybody.
I won't lie, it was. It was. It was a
little disappointing because I wanted my word to again touch everyone.
(10:30):
So I had to come out of that place where
it's like, okay, girl, it is not for everybody, angel
and it's going to be okay, it's for who is
for And again I put that in a book that
once you identify that, you're not gonna have to chase people.
You're not chasing people. You're gonna attract the right people
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So exactly. No, I love the point that you just
brought out about like knowing your audience. It brings me
to the question about when you first got started writing, actually,
did you think you were going to have three books?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Never Okay. Honestly, when I first wrote my first book,
it was something I always wanted to do, but I
thought I had to go to the traditional route, you
got to send the query letters. Until I really discovered
self publishing, I thought it was just something I just
need to get out of me, like I don't to write,
but never with the thought process of I'm going to
be a writer, like it was just limited I want
(11:24):
to write a book. But I realized that the desire
was just in me to continue to write, and it
just grew from that point on. But no, it was
never in my heart I'm going to be a consistent
writer and I'm going to publish three additional books, you know.
So honestly, I just was. I just was as surprised
as the people, you know, like oh wow. You know,
(11:47):
I'm like, girl, I'm saying oh wow too, because I didn't.
I didn't anticipate it, you know. But it worked out beautifully. Though.
When I just I guess let go of like, okay,
that it should be this way, be that way. I
thought someoney about that a little bit, you know, when
you were trying to be religious in something instead of
just flowing. So I think when I just started to flow.
(12:08):
It just allowed me to create my best self, you know,
and it just worked better for me that way. But no,
to answer that, no, never never thought it, never thought it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
There's a quote attributed to Albert Einstein that says that
you know, creativity is genius at play. And I think
it's kind of funny as we were like we planning,
and I was like, who planned as a child, who
ran around really planning out their play? I mean there
are some kids that plan out there play like this, sure,
but there are most kids whore just like and I'm
here why finding our flow? Finding that that let letting
(12:46):
ourselves allow show up on our genius u playground and
be like this goes. Yeah, I love that, you know,
the three books instead of one?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I know, right, I know? And you know what was
interesting from me because around me, in my little community
of people, it was no other Well. I had one
person who was a writer and my best friend, but
I didn't communicate with her a lot. We didn't talk
about writing it a lot. So to me, I was
about myself trying to create, going through a whole publishing
process that I didn't know what I was doing. So
(13:19):
it was interesting the journey was very interesting. What me
and when you call it, I still came from the
trenches because girl, I didn't know what I was doing.
Oh gosh, it was a beautiful disaster. I will say
it was a beautiful disaster. You know. I'm still proud
of it. But looking back, I'm like, girl, girl, what girl? Girl?
(13:39):
You werepeeding, you were repeating things, you punctionation was horrible. Oh.
I just tried to give myself grace to mercy. That's all.
That's all, you know. But yeah, it's very profound because,
like you said, that genius playground. You know, I'm glad
that I went that route, that I just allowed myself
(14:00):
and not to feel hindered because I always thought that.
I that's why I honor what you said. As far
as you know, you got all your degrees, which is amazing.
I wanted to be that type of like I'm being
school all the time. You know, I love that. But
you know, I've been in school a lot, and I'm like,
what's cool? Cool? But I feel too constricted. I can't
(14:20):
explain it. I feel too I feel like I'm in
a box. So I think when I write, I feel
free and I need that. I need to feel free.
You know. I'm sure you understand about that free and
that's why you got so many podcasts. You know, you
love your creativity. You love feeling free too. You love
feeling free too, so you understand what I'm saying. But yes,
I love it, like the creator of the genius playground
(14:43):
just to create.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know, I'm not exactly the person who plays by
the rule. I'm gonna say, like the whole creative genius
of the player going outside of the lines and stuff.
For school, but I mean kindergarten, the teacher always woman
had to color inside the lines, and I was very
upset about that. So then I just got a black
marker out and I drew the lines I wanted to draw,
and then I colored them. Also, oh man, inside the lines,
(15:07):
and she's inside my life and you was in kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Look, okay, that's creative. Look, that's what you call creative
right there. I would have never thought. Look, it's fat.
I would never thought to do that, Like, oh I
got a color in these lines. Okay, but that's that's
that's good, like right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean because like you can get a picture
and that's not that's not what I felt like drawing
that day, Yeah, I felt like coloring.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So true. You know what's interesting. A really quick story,
A separate situation happens to my daughter who is seven. Right,
So her teacher told her that she needs a color
in the line. So my daughter's like, okay, I'm gonna
color in the line. And what she did was she
took because it was one of those color by No,
it was just different boxes they wanted you to color.
You know what. Obviously you know they hit a whole
(15:56):
bunch of different boxes color in the line. So one
does like, okay, she took her pencil on her crown
and literally just color. Her teacher got mad and said,
you're supposed to color in the line, and she's like
I did. She's like no, you just color. And to me,
I'm like, no, no, no, no, you're not coming from my child,
because my child she's still colored in your life. But
she didn't color the way you wanted to color. Does
(16:17):
that mean it's wrong? No? It does it? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So perception right, because I am inside you didn't tell
me which.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Line, come on, and you didn't tell me which color.
She got mad at her about the color because she
chose one. Okay, see see I can go on and on,
but see, because I see how people try to restrict
and limit creativity, I don't like that exactly. That's why
I'm like, oh, I love what you just said. You
did like like, so girl, yo, Jenius was happening that
(16:47):
fave years o. It was already cooking and you was cooking.
So it's like, yes, thank you guy that you let
it cook and you didn't put it to the side, Like, oh,
forget it. What if you were to put it to
the side.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That was something that I heard when I was seven
years old, and I promise I'm not going to talk
about me after. It's just like I heard when I
was seven years old and they were like because I
was writing, and they're like, oh, you're a good writer now.
But as you grow up, everyone loses so much creativity
that they don't there are just a few of us
who are actually going to be writers and novelists. This
is your greatest peak of creativity. And I was like,
(17:22):
I will never let that happen to me. I don't
care how old I am. I will always find time
to be creative. Yes, it will never ever die. And
then like think about it. Like when I was in
high school, I thought about the fact that they give
you problems and one of the things that they were
always looking for is someone who thinks about the problem
in a different way. And then you kill that creativity, well,
(17:46):
then obviously there's going to be no one who thinks
about it in a different way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This is so good. So oh look, let me say
one thing about that same thing happened to my daughter.
She got the right answer, but they didn't like the
fact that she came up with that book correct answer
in a different method that you show them. And it's
like what the control right? The control? The constraint is
(18:10):
just so insane and bizarre, you know, And if you
let them, like you said, you would just be like
everybody else. And that's not what we want, you know.
I don't want that. I don't want that for you.
I don't want that for my children. Like, no, we're
gonna be creative out here, Okay, we're gonna be God
designed us to beat. And that's creative.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean, it's the age of information. And if you're
not creative with what you already know, I mean, at
some point, you know, AI will come get everybody else
know because you're teaching it. You better be creative with
what you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Better be just like you better be. Okay, No, that's
the truth, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Now we're gonna get back on subject. You see what
I said that Like before we started, I said, this
interview might be ten to seventeen minutes long, but we
often get off subject. And while I.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
WHI we talked it. But you know what why.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We're gonna get back on subject a little bit. You
have made a creative turn from inspiration to a book
on writing. Oh my goodness, talking about opt opposite ends
of the spectrum. How did that go? Did you have
to like change the way you see things or the
way Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Absolutely, that's so interesting. Yeah, because first of all, I
love I do love research. I guess part of my
love for research like a scripture. So it's in me already.
But I won't lie I totally. And like I said,
I expressed this, but when I did struggle a tabit
because it was so different for me. But it's interesting
it Honestly, it just was flowing out and I think
(19:40):
it flowed out more when I kind of had to
set aside that. Okay, Angel, this is a how to book,
you're teaching people as opposed to you just you know,
you know, you're the different you know, and not being
structured and not being inspirational. But I will say a
good thing about it is that people still get that
side of me in the book. People still get an
inspirational in the cur because you know, as you can
(20:01):
relate us writers, we need that inspiration, We need that
encouragement to keep going because so many days and night
we want to quit. So I bring that along the
journey on this book right as I'm guiding, as I'm
teaching you how to write a book, how to create
the characters, how to create the ply, the scenery. So
I'm still encouraging the writer, like, hey, you got this,
(20:23):
use your five senses, you know what I mean to
make it. You know, I'm still motivating you because that's
who I am. Encouraging you. But I'm a boom boom boom.
We're gonna want two three. We're gonna bullet it right now,
as opposed to just encouraging it. We're gonna bullet that
thing and you're gonna understand what ease And Yeah, but
I will say initially it was a bit of a
challenge for me to sway away from that just uh,
(20:48):
inspirational writing into a structure writing. It was it was
a little bit of a challenge because my brain was
just wired I'm gonna encourage, I'm gonna inspire. But again
I got to do it, but just in a different way.
So it it worked out really good. And I'm really
and not to both. Look I'm not both. I'm not
you know, narcissist, nothing like that. But I'm very proud
(21:08):
of this baby. And I saw when I said Whenny,
this is a winner, like this is really a winner
for writers that are really interested in becoming the best
writer that that can be and they are really getting
amazing authors and writers that are strategically aligned for them.
But it was a bit of a challenge. But I
(21:30):
think that that the audience that the reader will be well,
will appreciate it a lot. So yeah, but it was
a challenge.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But I said that, but now you have a whole
another skill set, you have, you have a whole other
playground now to go play on. Whenever you do something,
you're like new playground.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, you're sober. I get to look at it like that,
and you know when he you know, she allowed me,
you know, on her platform to teach a class on
the plot and from the book. So that was amazing
and I just was like, wow, this is so much fun,
you know. But yeah, it's totally worked out. It's totally
worked out.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Do you think is what do you have planned for
yourself next? Or what do you think is and then
what do you think is next? Okay? Yeah, what do
you plan? And then what do you think might Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So what I'm thinking next, I'm thinking of creating like
a not a journal, but sometimes for the moms, right again,
more like creative short stories for mothers. You know, just
you know, us moms we need encouragement. We need that
motivation when we just want to give up and just
(22:43):
throw everybody in a garbage you know what I'm saying.
So obviously wanted women moms to be encouraged, but be
encouraged by the Lord that you know, God got us.
And so I'm thinking about creating again little short cute
stories that have a deep message rooted in the story.
Every want every story to be different per the mom,
just you know, have encouragement. But that's something again, that's
(23:05):
something I'm thinking about, you know, and I'm thinking about
what's have a problem, get another podcast, maybe something for children.
I do. Obviously I have a well I shouldn't stay Obviously.
I was gonna say I have a love for children.
But you know what, how many moms you know that
got kids but they ain't got no love for children.
I'm having too much stung. I'm having too much fun.
Cause let's be real, how many moments you know right
(23:28):
now you can probably call them up and be like, girl,
you know you love your children, and girl, they don't
care two cents about them kids. They don't care two cents,
But I really care. I really care about the children.
So I don't know. I'm thinking something about the children.
Just I don't know. So yeah, I'm just my creative
like you said that, this creative playground, always thinking, you know,
(23:48):
and sometimes I get over whem by creativity. I do
sometime beause I want to do so many things and
then at that point I just need to sit down
and have a latte. That's how you do it. You
have a you have a Carlo Lotze and you just
sit there. I don't you know, I don't do drugs,
nothing like that, So it's like, you know, you sit down,
you have that latte. You're real hot. You gotta be
(24:09):
real hot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And somehow Oh yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, that lot I say that, journal girl, you just
right like, Okay, that's what I'm about to do. That's
what we're about to do. Okay, I'm not I'm not
arguing with that. Okay. So yeah, that's what I have
to do sometime seriously, you know, so because it's like
decisions decisions, and I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I think I'm gonna put it another antidote about me.
But a lot of times people ask us how do
we get done everything that we got done while I
was going to school. So we were on tour for twenty
six weeks out of the year, okay, while I was
in school writing seventeen books. Oh what Yeah? And I
ran other businesses while I did that, so a lot
(24:54):
this is real hot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Huh, it's real life.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, So it was. It was in and everyone goes, well,
how did you do everything? How did you get everything
set up? And you come up with an idea and
then you ask yourself a few questions and then you
figure out the logistics of how it's going to go
and how you're gonna get people to sign up and
where you're going to market, and then you put that
idea on a calendar, on a block of time where
you know you have time to put to do it,
(25:18):
and then you give yourself about fourteen days to a
month to set it up, and then you hit the
PR tour. So during the whole time you're doing you're
figuring out your PR tour, you hit the PR tour
and then you get the people and I was like,
but you see, the thing is like your brain is
always working, so it's always coming up with the ideas.
All you want to do is be like, all right,
can I do this calendar how you're going to do it?
(25:38):
And you'd be like, this, this is the time that
I have free, so it gets done.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right here exactly. That's true.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But you're never really overwhelmed. You just know that this
next idea is coming up in like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Two months exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The idea after that it'll be up and uh in August,
you know, in July, and there you go. So you're like, yay,
and then you like, if you're while you're doing your
other stuff, you're like, hey, you're telling people, Joe, so
in July this thing is happening now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Okay, okay, good question. Okay, Oh my gosh, this is
so good because I used to feel crazy and I
operated like that like I'm doing this right now, I'm
doing that. I used to feel like that was a
crazy like the crazy girl in me, but I realized
it's just the creative side. So let me ask you.
Did you did you think that like you was crazy
for acting like for doing that at first? Like did
you ever have that thought?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You were asking the girl who sat down and was like, now, hey,
how do I make this work? Where I cause I
used to have when I came home from school, I
took two hours to think about adults have put in
front of me that I did not like. Okay, okay,
so you're asking the girls. It was like, how do
I make this line thing work?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I know I never felt crazy? Okay, dump, it's got
to work for me. I just don't know how we
are right?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, why would I? I mean, were you at seventeen,
like you was writing seventeen books, like of course it
worked for you. What that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I gotta figure out how it works for me. And
then the moment I figure it out, well, then now
we're good. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh my gosh, dang, that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Those who don't have kids. So maybe that's why it
works so well.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's true. I'm like, man, I'm gonna be like that,
you know when I grow up one day, I'm I'm
a woo.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But the big secret was I only got four to
six hours of sleep for like multiple years, for about
four years. Oh man, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Dang. Were you mean when you didn't get sleep? No? Okay,
but was I tired?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Was my body tired?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah? I'm sure because you know, when we get well.
For me, when I get tired, I'm just cranky. I'm irritating,
like just leave me alone. Like, but that's good. It
wasn't like that.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That that's Jade. If she's not getting a full eight.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When we were on tour, I was like, I have
to plan a full eight for her. Otherwise she shows
up the interviews like touch me.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Oh see what happened?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
She gets a full eight, he'll be up.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We know what we need, we know what we have
need of. Yeah, let's not even play with ourselves. You know.
That's good to know. That's good to know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think I think everyone tells me once you get
older that the whole sleep thing is important. So I'm
start playing for my sleep.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I know. No, it is like I just be I
just be tired, I mean exhaust. It's the three kids,
you know, Like I just be tired, you know what.
I just be like, Okay, well it's like it's like
that you got to keep on going on, you got
to keep on going. But yeah, sometimes I.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Guess you kept on going. You now have four books.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I'm so oh my gosh, seriously, I'm so excited
like this man, Like I said, I don't want to boast,
you know, I don't want to boast, but it is amazing.
It's an amazing book. And I'm just I've been lately
even bringing the reviews on Amazon, and oh my gosh,
my heart just was so happy, you know, and to
(29:03):
read authentic reviews, you know, you know, of course you
want to read good reviews, but you can also appreciate
the you know, not so good ones as well. But
thus far, all the reviews have really been positive, and
I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know. And it's
certain certain things people have said about the creative non
fiction part I'm just like, look, I'm saying to myself,
(29:26):
oh you really like that part? Okay, Like maybe certain
parts I probably hesitated to write, and I'm like I'm
gonna put it in there and people will be like, no,
it worked. I'm like, yes, it's two o'clock in the morning.
I'm good to hear that, you know. So, just to
know that the book really is really helping people, it's
really feeding people, it's really registering with people. Man. And
(29:48):
if it was just one, seriously, if it was just one,
that's okay, because especially with this being our first structural book,
it's like, wow, that was amazing. Yeah. So it's just
a proud moment. It really is. I'm humble, I really am.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So two questions. One question number one, what three things
would you tell people who are getting started on like
their first book and they're looking at a series, looking
at maybe two three, four books out What are the
three things that you would tell them? And then the
second one is where do we buy the four books?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh? Right, okay, of course, okay, what are three things
I would tell people? And I know it's going to
sound so hard. I know it is, and people are
gonna be like, girl, but I'm so serious. I would
just say, just get started, just start writing. And I'm
letting you know, people make excuses. Sometimes the excuses were procrastination.
It's a lot of things evolved, you know why people
just don't write. But I will honestly say, just start.
(30:44):
If you got to start on a bus, if you
got to start, just eating your dinner, just get that
piece of paper and just start writing. We're not looking
people are not looking for perfection. People are looking for authenticity. Okay,
so that's my second point. Be authentic, Be you be
the writer that's brewing inside of you. We already read
(31:04):
books from other you know, writers, fiction or non fiction, poets,
and et cetera. We want to see what you have
inside of you, the creative that's flowing inside of you.
So I would say, just start, just start writing. Be authentic.
And and this is not one people be like, how
can I have fun? This is driving me crazy? But
I would say how fun because looking back on my
(31:25):
personal journey, I was crazy because I wanted to produce
so much. I wanted to produce this book, and it
drove me crazy. So I would just say, just really
try to enjoy your writing. And if you can get
to that place that's gonna really take so much pressure
off and that's gonna really allow you to really just
(31:46):
calm down. First of all. You know, maybe that's a
four thing. Look four things, calm down, you know, look
calm down. But yeah, just start writing. Be authentic, be
who you really are, no phonies, because people can tell
when you're not real. You know, like hold only you
you real? I see you real, and I think you
can see this is this is real? We being authentic,
(32:08):
it's no, it's no fakeness. We'll be in our sales.
So just start writing, be authentic, enjoy it, and bonus,
just calm down because your book is going to be
who is four You're going to Your book is going
to attract who is for Your readers are going to
be attracted to you because they're going to resonate with
you with what you're talking about, what you're writing about,
(32:28):
and where you can find a book on Amazon And
then well, yes, you can find the books on Amazon,
and you can also go to wins Publishing for for
writers who dream, but for my for my other for books,
you can go to Amazon and uh, it'll be under
Angel M. Walker or Angel m actings. I hope y'all
(32:50):
got that Angel M. Walker or Angel M Actings. But yeah,
but for writers who dream, definitely, Angel Marie and Winnie.
When Winnifred to our always miss pronounced her last name,
so I'm not gonna play her. I love money too much.
I will not play money like that, so miss not
her last name. But yes on Amazon or on wins Publishing,
(33:11):
When's books is keithing dot com, so yes, Oh my goodness,
they're gonna love you.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Please go check out those books. Be inspired. And if
you are having trouble writing, I think you should pick
up that book as well. So like when she inspires
you to get your life together, write about it because
she she told you how to write about it too.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
There you go, send me an email, Send me an email.
I want to write about how the book you know,
how you got your life together? Girl or not?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's right. So since she's wrapped up over there, I'm
gonna wrap it up for us over here. And I
said to us, because there's normally a jade around here somewhere.
I think it's been about a year since she's done this,
but whatever, she'll be back soon enough.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Important.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I've known on one of the Anti I Thought Ladies.
You can find out everything that your ladies are up
to at n www dot ant I Thought Ladies dot come.
If you happen to find that secret site where we
have everything else up there, then I'll feel free to
look at that one too. Go down to the bottom
of the page of Anti Thought Ladies dot com and
you can see the three charities that we proudly support.
(34:11):
I'd like you to know that this year the Inspiration
Women in Literatary Media and Journalism Awards are supporting them
as well. That's our annual fundraising events for those three charities.
It's happening in junkes. You can support us by supporting
that as well. But if you can't, you can all
give money. You can always get your hands dirty by
getting involved, or you can give a little information or
(34:32):
wisdom towards those groups because sometimes there's a little spot
where they need some more information and volunteers to help out.
Maybe you're one of those people. If all out fails,
money helps, We thank you in advance for assisting them
as well. And remember that wisdom is all around you
if you're open to finding it and accepting it. So
peace and love you guys from will Nona and the
(34:52):
Missing Jade. Oh yeah, thanks for listen,
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.