Finding A Way To Pay Teachers More

Hy and Christopher take on the issue of whether Killing MFP To Pay Teachers Is a Terrible Trade.
Senate President Cameron Henry, R-Metairie, told reporters four days before the May 16 election, “If the public doesn’t vote to give [teachers] a pay raise, then that means they don’t want to give them a pay raise…So the legislature is not going to turn around and do something that our constituents voted not to do.” Hy and Christopher called Henry’s comments “scaremongering” and predicted that there was no way that Gov. Jeff Landry would refuse to grant a permanent pay raise. Equally, some of our listeners objected to us endorsing Constitutional Amendment 3, the measure of which the Senate President spoke, which would have folded for dedicated sources of income into debt repayment, and the resulting freed income would be used to fund a permanent teacher pay raise. Many cried foul, asking why we were supporting one of the Governor’s amendments if we believed that he would keep the $2000 “temporary” teacher stipends in force regardless.
Our support for the proposed constitutional amendment came because our hosts suspected that the method by which the Governor would fund the permanent pay hike would likely be far worse. Jeff Landry is the child of a public school teacher, and he predicated much of his populist-working class appeal on the idea of giving teachers raises. The question is how, and by what method, the Governor would convince the legislature to go along with his proposals. His answer became clear last week, eviscerate the Minimum Foundation Formula. Public school teachers are not state employees. They are not paid in full by the state. Instead, most education funding emerging from the state treasury ends up in the coffers of school boards through a complicated formula—which tends to benefit poorer school districts disproportionately. Impoverished parishes gain extra money for everything from schoolbooks to facilities repair.
Because of the breadth of funding, critics of the MFP have long argued that attempting to fund so many different areas of the educational process through the MFP prevents the state from tackling the nearly ubiquitously-held goal of advancing teacher pay above the southern average. Quite a few legislators have proposed a swap over the years; forgo the MFP and have the state take on full responsibility for teacher and support worker pay instead. Undoubtedly, the pathway to higher teacher pay would be more expeditious to appropriators. Some legislators have even proposed linking legislative pay with teacher pay. Currently members of the LA House and Senate earn $16,800 per year. Some have suggested a grand bargain of raising teacher pay and linking legislative pay directly to it, to provide political cover for legislative pay raises and an incentive for legislatures to keep teacher pay rising through the coming decade. Under most previously suggested models to enact this plan, the MFP would be sacrificed to boost teacher pay. In fairness, Landry’s proposal does not end the Minimum Foundation Program or its Formula, but it cuts it rather drastically to underwrite making the $2000 “temporary” teacher pay stipends ($1000 for support workers) permanent. Such a drastic cut of more than $120 million would have a negative effect on many of the budgets of poor school districts; though critics argue that a legislature without any fiscal surplus for 2026/2027 needs to get the money from somewhere. The public did vote down the use of dedicated funds towards that goal, after all.
The danger of cutting into the MFP to permanently fund the stipends sets a precedent. A total elimination next year in exchange for drastically raising teacher pay becomes a more politically viable option. However, to legislators and a governor who have promised permanent teacher pay increases, the choices of constitutionally undedicated funds remain few. The MFP can be adjusted by statute, and they can fulfill their promise. No Louisianan wants to look into the eyes of an underpaid teacher and say that that educator does not deserve a raise, much less a $2000 cut in pay—no matter how often the legislature claimed those were “one time payments” over the last three years. Yet, does taking away textbooks from poor children in poor parishes prove a terrible trade? Hy and Christopher discuss…

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Battles, the politicians addressed. The digitators and magicians are first
to see the money. Then you don't. There's nothing to
fill the holes while then are filling their pockets bid holes,
the politicians bouncing down the road. Everybody's wish for no moment.

(00:25):
Corruption and it's function. It's gonna take you, divide it avention.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
The move to raise teacher pay permanently, and the end
of the legislative session are wrapped up with a bigger agenda.
We'll talk about that and other stories on this edition
of The Founder's Show.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
to the Founders Show, the voice of the Founding Fathers.
You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big
e and that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana. And
high up on top of that old liberty Cypress tree

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draped in Spanish moss way out on the Eagles Branch
is none other. Then You've been Gary Baba of the Republic,
Chaplain Hi McHenry, who.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
With Christopher Tidmore, your roving reporter, resident Radical Moderate, and
associate editor of the Louisiana Weekly Newspaper, at Louisiana Weekly
dot net and Ladies and Gentlemen. An interesting thing is
happening in the last waning days of the twenty twenty
six legislative session. We've been covering a lot on the
redrawing of the congressional districts, the last minute elements, and

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there seems to be a plan there. But something that
looked uncertain for a while looks like it may come
to pass, and that is a permanent teacher pay raise.
But the way this is going about is in a
way that many of the people who voted against the
Constitutional Amendment really really would not like. It has to
do with the structure of how we pay for teacher

(01:59):
pay raises. Now, I was pretty hard on Senate President
Cameron Henry saying when he said there's not going to
be a teacher pay raise, in fairness to what his
actual words were was that there was nothing in the
budget if the Constitutional Amendment did not pass two weeks
ago that would allow for a teacher pay raise. There

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was no money allocated. The whole idea had been to
get rid of four educational trust funds, use that money
to pay down debts. The trust funds made about one
hundred million dollars a year profit. The debt cost about
two hundred million dollars. That the difference between those two
would be enough to fund the teacher pay raises, so
there'd be actually a source of cash. What I said was,

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and I was right, there is going to be a
teacher a permanent teacher pay raise. They are going to
make up this two thousand dollars stipend as a permanent fund.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
I just didn't know how they were going to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, now we know, and what is being done is
a much bigger story than a lot of the press
is reporting to you. So all of the state doesn't
actually pay our teachers directly. There are a couple supplements
here and there, but the state contributes to public education
through something called the minimum foundation formula. And it's pretty simple, folks,

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of a complicated algorithm, it's a pretty simple explanation. We
have really poor parishes in Louisiana and really rich parishes.
Everybody gets something, but the poorer your parish school system is,
the more you get. And in some of our really
poor parishes, like Richland Parish and others, this is a
very key fund to public fund public education, because there

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really isn't a whole lot of other money, a whole
lot of property taxes to be able to fund public education.
Property isn't worth that much. Well, there's been a debate
going on in the Louisiana legislature below the surface for years,
and it basically was this that the state ought to
fund teacher pay raises and support staff. They ought to

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fund and not only the pay raises, the entire salary
of teachers and support staff in exchange, the parishes pay
for everything else.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
And the theory is.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
You could end up the state could end up paying
teachers a lot more than they're making in most parishes.
It's questionable if it would be the same as what
they're making in Orleans and Jefferson, which are above the
southern average. But let's just follow Let's assume for a
second it raises teacher pay across the state. The problem is,
if you get rid of the minimum foundation formula, you

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end up not buying little things that are essential in
many parishes, like textbooks or lab equipment or fixing buildings
so they're safe for kids. That money goes to a
variety of purposes used by the individual parishes. Now, why
are the legislators willing to take on this fight? Part
of its good sense. They're saying, despite a generation of

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activity trying to raise teacher pay, Louisiana is still well
below the southern average. We really need to be paying
at the national average to be able to attry young
people to become teachers. But there's a bigger issue, and
it all has to do with legislative pay. Yes, you
heard me correctly, folks, legislative pay. Legislators are abysmally underpaid.

(05:14):
You heard me correctly on that one too, folks. Yes,
i'd said we pay politicians too little, but this is
actually a factual statement. We pay our members of the
legislature sixteen eight hundred dollars and then all.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
That does has encouraged them to figure out ways to
stickle and they do.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Or what it does is too rich people can afford
to be legislators, and anybody who's middle class can't. Because
despite pop your opinion, we'd like to say, it's a
part time job. Yeah, it's a part time job. Ten
months out of the year you get basically two months
here and there is not it's not And so legislators
would like to raise their pay. But if a legislator

(05:50):
just came out and propose pay raises, they'd be voted
out of office. It's the one thing that would make
the public go crazy. So there has been an idea
for a long time that if teacher's got a pay raise,
legislators should get a pay raise. In fact, legislators pay
should be tied to teacher pay. You pay the teachers
the rest well in order for that to work. Basically,

(06:11):
there are ways around it. Basically, the state needs to
pay teachers. So here is the deal that I think
is coming together this legislative session. They're going to cut
the minimum foundation formula by about ten to twenty percent
and make permanent the teacher pay raises that they have
been stipends. Coming out of the legislature. In the next

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legislative session, there's going to be a bill to take
over teacher pay and give them a bigger pay raise. Say,
we're going to raise them up to the Southern average.
We will, we will make teachers state employees, and we
will turn round and the parishes have to pay for
everything else, but they don't have to pay for their teachers.
Oh and by the way, if we raise them up
to the national average, legislators get paid the same thing

(06:55):
as teachers. So a lot of teachers are gonna be like, well, god,
if I get a twenty thousand dollars year raise, you
want to get a salary?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Sure? Why not?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Legislators are like, if it's a national average. National average
of teachers is about seventy five thousand dollars a year.
That's a pretty good improvement over sixteen thousand year. There
are some real problems in that for those of us
in Orleans Jefferson in the metro area. How do you
handle charter schools? The money follows the kid in bulk
to the schools, and that makes teacher pay. Most of

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those teachers are already paid much higher than the southern
average because they can get more money in the classroom,
But they also aren't state employees. So essentially the principles
of the school can fire bad teachers.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
At least that's the theory. How do you handle that?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
How do you more particularly, how do you handle really
poor parishes that when you take away the minimum foundation
formula literally can't provide utensils, school books, safe places for kids.
Teachers might be well paid, but it might be in
a shack in the one room school house on steroids.
And so this raises a lot of very complicated issues.

(08:00):
Point out a lot of people. Look, there are times
I've had my disagreements with Governor Jeff Landry. But the
fact of the matter is when a lot of people
came out and said vote against all the constitutional amendments,
and especially when the teachers unions came out against voting
for the other funds they were augmented funds, I said,
wait a second. The danger is not that he takes

(08:20):
away your pay. The danger is the answer is far
worse than you can And the legislature controls the MFP
by statute, not by constitution, So what you're going to
end up doing is something worse. Unfortunately, that's exactly what
has happened because I knew something. Jeff Landry has spanked
too much of his political capital on paying teachers. He's

(08:42):
the son of a teacher. His so called godmother, who
is rather close in relation to you, high was a teacher,
and so very psychologically, Jeff Landry is not going to
go back and say I'm cutting teacher pay. It's a no,
it's for a politician in general, much less one who
has built one of his major your public things on
raising teacher pay. It's a no win scenario. So what

(09:04):
to do well for Jeff Landry, it's to start this process,
because for him, he ends up teachers are paid above
the Southern average national average. Another two or three years,
legislators get a ninety pay increase, and everybody is happy
except the poor kids that are in the collapsing schoolrooms
in the poor parishes of central North Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I why can't they just figured this out and do
it the right way? Christopher, There's got to be away.
And I'm just saying, I don't know. I mean, we're
just we're just spending a few minutes examining this right now.
We haven't done any in depth studies. Uh. You know,
there's the money, is there? Why don't they spend it

(09:47):
the right way and and and resolve this issue. Uh,
it's got to be away for them to fix this thing.
And they maybe they need to set up a task
for us to figure out what they how to fix it. Christopher.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know when people not that there's anything wrong with
the idea of a task for us, and sometimes that's
kind of a bipartisan method. But I'm gonna be honest
with you, most of these methods have been decided. One
man's pork is another man's pleasure. And the way the
budget is set up, I.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Thought pork was the pleasure for all politiciss.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's the pleasure if they want to get reelected. My
point in all of this is the way the constitutions
set up. If it's one time money like they have
of sudden things, they can't use in a recurring expense,
which is what this is. That's why those teacher pays
were stipends each year because it was a stipend. Well,
this year, guess what, We're running a deficit. The Louisiana
economy is going into recession right now, so it is

(10:41):
a lot of the rest of the country. It's particularly
true here because of a lot of our drilling materials
and stuff that for the oil boom they can't gat
because it's made overseas, and so we don't have this
surplus that we had to fund another year of stipends,
So the money has to come from somewhere. You can't
touch healthcare because that affects federal funds, and it's very

(11:02):
limited what you could touch anyway. You can't touch most
of the budget because it's dedicated funds in the constitution.
So the only areas you have to touch are education
or higher education. So you don't want to touch the
minimum foundation formula. Great we cut our universities' that's you know,
cutting off your nose despite your face. There are people

(11:24):
or people always say there's got to be an answer,
there's so much money. I said, well, when you've cancuffed
yourself in a budget and there's not like a pool
of money, there's just two or three places you can touch,
then no, Hi, it's not that simple. That was the
whole point of the constitutional amendment, to try to make
some areas able to cut, you know, to transfer money

(11:44):
that you couldn't touch before. Now we don't have that.
The people of Louisiana spoken, and guess what. Those constitutional
amendments weren't just voted down by Democrats. Even though there
was a huge, as we explained last week, turnout of
Democrats and particularly African Americans at the same level almost
as Republicans. The fact of the matter is there were
quite a few Republican parishes and Republican constituents that vote

(12:07):
him down, just vote against every constor's amendment. It's our
own fault because the alternative is, if you're Jeff Landry,
you take a two thousand you give every teacher in
Louisiana a two thousand dollars pay cut. That's I told
the people this wasn't gonna happen because he's not that
politically stupid, and frankly, he's not that heartless as the
son of a teacher. So what else to do? This
is the only pool of money that's for education that's left.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Christopher.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Where there's a will, there's a way. I believe that
they can figure something out here. So legislators and bureaucrats,
all you politicians out there, get busy. Start earning you pay.
Even though I know you pay. It's not much, but nonetheless,
get out there and earn you pay because this needs
to be fixed.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Now. We'll find out, folks before we go.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
But before we go to the break, we're gonna be
switching gears just for a second. We'll come back to
the legislative session. What's going on internationally right after these
important messages. But first we want to bring on a
special guest who's doing a free event for music this
coming Sunday, this Sunday afternoon. Joining us here in the
Founder's show is Maestro Ricardo Laneda, and he is one

(13:16):
of New Orleans's experts, one of our great imports, and
one of our experts on Baroque music. Now people are
like Baroque.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
This.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
All the great classical musical styles come out of the
Baroque period. This and he's been putting on a series
of concerts all over the metropolitan area, all over all spring.
And his final concert with that'll have sopranos, singers, and
a whole concert is free and open to the public.
It'll be at the Rink twenty seven to twenty seven Britannia,
right at the Garden District book Shop on Sunday, Sunday afternoon,

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the Sunday afternoon after the main airing of this program,
and Ricardo tell us what the what is in store
for the general public if they choose to come to
twenty seven twenty seven Pritannia on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
First of all, thank you for having me.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
It's a real pleasure.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
That the concert, the appointment on this Sunday, it will
be the last appointment closing the Baroque Festival that we
produced this year, and you know, I think people could
be very interested to participate in an event, uh that.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
Is set up in a different.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Space like the usual theater or concert hall. And we're
going to propose a program Barock program of course, with
music by Vivaldi, Handle and especially but also Mozart.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Mozart, Yeah, so Mozart Vivaldi Handle at four pm on
Sunday as people are listening to this on our main
area on WRNOL that afternoon, or for those listening on
Friday and WSLA, that'll be Sunday afternoon. This has been
part of a baroque festival that you've been doing all

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over the city of New Orleans for several months. Can
you tell us about what led you to create this
fantastic baroque series.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yeah. We had a concert season at the New Marini
Theater with four appointments, various programs between opera, operatic arias
and great compositions like the Four Seasons by Vivaldi. That

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was till the May seventeen and right after the sl
we started the Baroque Festival Love Call Baroque Festival that
is started on the twenty first May twenty first and
the Barrocke Festive, a concentrated five appointments between the twenty

(16:08):
first and the thirty first of May, and the one
on the thirty first that will be the last.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
One Sunday, May thirty first, twenty seven, twenty seven Pretenna.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
It is ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's a little price of free in the main arcade
of the rink or outside the Garden District bookstore in
Bar Appologue. There will be cocktails available and it's a
wonderful way to spend your Sunday afternoon. You're also you're
not just it's not just instrumental when you perform Mozart
handle Valdi. You actually have singers coming, if I'm not
mistaken Maisho Ricardo.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, we will have a Jessica Francis Clayton and a K.
Jeger and the pianist Calaway cheers luck and we play
violin too with them for two three areas.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
That is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, we look forward to Hi and I'll be there Sunday.
That is Sunday, May the thirty first, at four pm
at twenty seven to twenty seven. Pritannia And for those
that don't know there's over seventy places of off street parking.
If you enter in the Washington Avenue side, you can
park inside the building, come up, spend the afternoon listening

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to wonderful music in the arcade at the rink, and
we look forward.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
To seeing you.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
We look forward to see you, Mastro Riccardo and tell
you and Ricardo thank you for everything you've been doing.
I know for our Sunday listeners, they would have not
seen this, but I'm privileged that that Sunday morning you
did something experimental at six o'clock in the morning, coming
out and performing at the Newman Bandstand at Autumn Park.

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I had to say, people thought you were a little crazy,
but it's a wonderful concept to welcome the dawn with
beautiful music.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Ricardo Ricardo. I was going to say thank you for
what you're doing, because the history of classical music and
the import of it for America for the world is tremendous.
A lot of people don't know this, but some of
the greatest and finance rock musicians, they start off with
classical music, and they did it on purpose because they

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felt it would give them, it would build a much
higher musical capability and talent in them to be able
to then you know, do their rock music. And we
even have things like you know, Queen Bohemian Rahpsoity, all
that stuff that brings out a lot of that. But
really your work is tremendous, it's timeless, and it's so
important for our culture, especially today.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Let's not forget that New Orleans is not just the
birthplace of rock and rolling jazz. It is the birthplace
of opera in America and classical music in America. And
you're holding up to that tradition brilliantly. Am I sure
card kmusic dot org, kmusic dot org and k.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Music about it.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yes, spelling is kmusic dot.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Org, kmusic dot org.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
And join us, folks on Sunday at four pm free
concert of singers of Valdi, Handle and Mozart with Maistro
Ricardo and his team from the Baroque Orchestra. And thank
you very much, and we'll be back after these important messages.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Thank you and God bless you Ricardo. Keep up the
great work. God smiling, thank you.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Thank you so much to you guys.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Look forward to seeing you, Sarah. We'll see you on Sunday,
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mc henry with Christopher Tidmore.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And you knew we were going to bring this up, folks,
but we have to. We got to kind of pull
the audience on this. Is it worth twenty five dollars
a person to be charged by the city to cover
the cost of Marti gar parades? Now, the City of
New Orleans makes a huge profit overall on Carnival, seventeen

(22:38):
million dollars for just the last week, but arguably a
very small portion of this goes directly to the city
to cover the overtime for sanitation and police. They say
that there's a four million dollar deficit coming out of Carnival,
and we had one of our most successful carnivals ever.

(22:59):
This Carnival judged by every metric including the amount of trash.
And so the question is this is the largest free
party on earth. This is a huge economic development thing.
Should the city just take the hit and not spend
money on other things like police and others to so

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that Carnival remains Now, the average carnival crew pays between
seven hundred and fifty dollars and fifteen hundred dollars for
its parading permit, which isn't a lot of money in
the grand scheme of things. When you talk about, you know,
the overtime for one police officer during carnival could be
fifteen hundred dollars and you need entire reams of police officers.
Is this a fair answer. I'm curious about your response

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to the fairness. But I'll tell you what my worry is.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
High.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
My worry is not the twenty five dollars or the
idea that's being floated, which is to increase that permitting
cost from fifteen hundred to like ten thousand. It's my worry, which,
by the way, is about the samemount of money either
way produces about about five or six hundred thousand dollars
towards the four million dollar deficit. Here's my worry. My

(24:08):
worry is that crews will say, well, you're going to
be raising our costs, can you loosen the sponsorship requirements?
So if you go to a parade in a lot
of other parishes Jefferson, you'll see a float occasionally sponsored
by a business. Basically, it has an ad on it
most of the time. It's not egregious. It's not a
float devoted to promoting the business. It's just brought to

(24:30):
you by sponsored by so and so forth. But the
thing that's been wonderful about Orleans Marti Gras is it
is not commercial advertisements for anything, for businesses, for politicians,
for anything. Are absolutely for a voting, you could lose
your parade pass permanently.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It is a free festival given by New Orleanians for
New Orleans. But if you start raising crisis considerably, how
long is that going to last? Well, a few crews
come out. Look, I'm not worried about REX or REX
or chaos or whatever. They're just gonna pass on the

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twenty five dollars. But what about a smaller crew, what
about a nocehun, what about a fem fatale? What about
you know, for that matter.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Tooth Jefferson City Buzzards and.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Jefferson City Buzzers is a good example. They're smaller, they're
seven hundred and fifty dollars permits, but they would qualify
as a parade. And that's just two containers. They're basically
a second line. It's two small mini floats of music
and people going around and basin. And for those that
don't know, Jefferson City Buzzards are the oldest marching crew
in New Orleans. They've been marching through parts of uptown

(25:43):
since eighteen nineties. And so all of this raises a
quite fundamental question, what is Mardi Gras? Should the city
have to subsidize this? And the argument is the city
doesn't get as much back in taxes as it produces.
But here's the problem, and I had this problem when

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we were talking about the film and live performance credits
and others. I said, when the entire economy is lifted,
when people are paying higher taxes, property taxes, people have jobs,
people is they're paying those taxes back. You have designers,
you have concessionaires. You have people who work at hotels
and restaurants whose entire year is based on the income

(26:26):
that they make at Marty growth there. This is literally
ninety percent of their year is those weeks, and you
eliminate it. Let me offer what happened with the live
performance credits of the film credits. When they started cutting that,
guess what happened? People left New Orleans. It wasn't just
that their jobs were gone and the income tax went

(26:47):
going to the state. They weren't paying property taxes. There
were less people to support the economy, and that's the
danger and a proposal like this, Now, I'm the first
one to say, well, where's the money going to come from?
It's a fair question, and it has to come from somewhere.
But if you're a city official, are you ready to say, Okay,
we can have the chaos parades sponsored by Church's Chicken

(27:11):
or whatever the hell you want to say? Are we
going to have rex brought to you by the oil
industry of Louisiana? I mean kind of is in a
matter of speaking, But are you are we going to
be that blatant? Because that's the danger, Oh, great politicians,
you run with these fees.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Of course, for earlier you said that Marty Girls, for
the people of New Orleans, by the people of Alans,
and for the people who owns and the people do
owns guests, So what about another are probably already doing this,
but what about raising the tax on guests in the
hospitality industry and there's all the hotels that whatever that
just during that time, there's a special extra tax that's
put on the hotels during that time.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
So right now New Orleans has one of the highest
hospitality taxes in the United States.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's it's it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Surprises people know that we're up there with New York
Chicago in the twelve to seventeen percent range. There's a
real question at this point is to whether or not
if you put a special another hospitality tax on a
lot of hotels. Because here's the secret. Hotels at some

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level have an equilibrium on price. They can't just pass
on the tax. It's built into their aggregate price, and
so a lot of hotels might close if you were
to really put attacks like that. You're talking to another
ten to fifteen percent per night on hotel bills. And
if you have a Jerry Marti Gras hotel room could

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cost four hundred dollars, so you're basically saying another fifty
to seventy dollars a night that can affect whether people
get a hotel room, whether they come at all. That
you're starting to you're starting to really get into some economics.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
This is the whole thing in taxes.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
For those that don't understand the laugh for and why
raising taxes is not always a good idea.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Here's why you.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Raised taxes beyond a certain point, you produce less economic activity,
less people, and gets the amount of revenue that you
get goes down. So you can literally raise taxes and
get less money. That's the danger in the proposal you're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, i'd see. Well, I thought that you know that
you could go up a little bit. Whether it wouldn't
run amount of town, but who knows.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I'm not an expert on the taxes in the hospitality industry.
I think we need a task force for that.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Christ God help us another task force in New Orleans.
This would be a bad idea speaking of something that
you have a task force. Right now, we've been covering
a lot of the Iran situation and covering a lot
of what's going on in Israel, and there's been new
bombings in Lemon and so and so forth, and I

(29:51):
want to bring up something that other than Joel Rosenberg,
I haven't seen anybody bring up so in Israel, most
of the seats in the Kinnssett they're parliament are elected
at large. Because it's a small country geographically, they're not
elected in areas. There's some, but they're not many, and
different constituencies in the country can elect and for example,

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if you're Drews, which is one of the ethnic religious groups,
you have your own seats in parliament. There's several other
ethnicities that have that. If you're a Christian, you don't.
There are one hundred and fifty eight thousand practicing Christians
in Israel in a country of close to ten million people.

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But if you look at that, that's the size of
a Kinnesset district, and one of there is a particular
gentleman who's running for the Cansset, who's an act of
Christian The reason it has never been implemented is most
Christians historically in Israel were Arabs, they were Palestinians, and
so to have a dedicated Palestinian seat another one would

(30:58):
just remember a government in Israel's comprise is made up
of sixty one seats, so this may not sound like much,
but one seat is kind of significant in the Israeli
political dynamic, and so it didn't come through. But the
gentleman who's running for parlia, running for the Kinnessette, it's
been bringing this up, has been talking about the danger

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of not recognizing that Christians these days have a slightly
different agenda than even if their ara then the Muslims
in Israel, and I keep thinking about, we keep talking
about some kind of deal with Iran and Lebanon and
Israel and moving the US Central Command headquarters, the Military
Command to Tel Aviv or to uh Jerusalem.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
But this one.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Particular issue has never really made it in the consciousness
on either side of the political argument. And the Christian
community Israel is the same size as as the Druz
community in Israel, and the Drus have special status in
Israel and are actually very loyal Israel, and I've been
curious that Christians are not.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
That's a good point, Christopher. And remember many of these
Christians in Israel are Jews who have been if you
will convert to Christianity or what they say, completed, that
they've found their true Messiah. Because remember Christianity started off
as a Jewish religion, a Jewish sect called the sect
of the Nazarenes. It's very Jewish. All the founders of

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it were Jewish, all the original members were Jewish. Our
Messiah is Jewish. Yeshuwahamashia, that's Jesus in one sense, Christianity
is very Jewish and we have great Jewish roots, and
there have been many Jews. It's a huge movement now
of Jews converting to and finally discovering that Jesus is
their true Messiah. That's happening all around the world right now.

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I'd started back around the early nineteen hundreds and it
has been exploding ever since. I've been very involved with
those movements here in America, like the Jews for Jesus
and many other organizations, and help found a Jewish Christian
synagogue here in Nworleans that we do everything just like
you would in a synagogue, but we recognize yes Suah,

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that's the way you would pronounce the Hebrew pronunciation of
Jesus h yes sure or yashua or yeshua. I mean,
there are different ways they say it, but it means
Jesus and he is our God, if you will, He
is the Messiah of the of the of the whole world.
But first of all for the Jews. So uh, there's
there's all that going on is well too, And I

(33:31):
think best I can figure out is that for centuries
to the to the shame of the Church, the Church
in so many ways persecuted the Jews, and maybe that's
why they're reacting. I got, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well, let me make one thing very clear. The latest
because the the the Israeli senses actually asked the question
of ethnic background because of Jews come from so many
of Christians practicing in Israel. Less than one point six
percent of the one hundred and fifty two thousand are
Messianic Jews. Eighty percent of them are Arab Christians that

(34:06):
predate this. They are Palestinians. They were never Jewish under
any circumstances. And the remainder tend to be Christians that
immigrated but are not of They're not considered Jews under
rabbinical law.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Remember, the early Church was loaded with people of Arab background,
and it was like that until Mohammad started killing all
the Christians and.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Jew We talk about Arab Christians in this context, we
talk about people who were Christians in Israel prior to
forty seven who were not jewishs I'm very.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Well aware of that. I didn't say they were of Jewishists,
and I said they were originally Arabs. Their early church,
they of Pentecost. The Bible says that they've spoken all
the different languages. One of the languages Arabian, because there
were a lot of Arabs there.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
But not going to get this ownes, but I see
what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
The whole just about the whole Middle East down into
Africa was very Christian up until Mohammed uh he came
in and killed all the Christians and Jews are forced
him to become Muslims.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Anyway, And the gentleman who's trying to do this is
Ibam Schalan. He's an Israeli Christian. He's elite, one of
the leaders of the Israeli Christian community. And his basic
question is if I want something for my community, who
in the canniset can I call?

Speaker 4 (35:18):
And right now he can.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I know you're saying ken have said, but usually
it's pronounced ness. That's why you here pronounced in the news.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Usually it's actually, if you want to be precise, produced connaffect.
But here for a second, and I want to bring
up that for the first time ever. You may have
missed this. This past week, Rogue Raul Castro, this is
Fidel Castro's brother was charged with murder by the Justice Department.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
And rightfully so he's he's he killed a bunch of
people in a plane, a private plane. Uh having doing
bringing a to q Cuba, all with everybody knowing what
was going on, with proper official pastors and everything, and
he blew up the plane. That man is a just
flat out ruthless murderer.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
All Castro, of course, is the former president of Cuba.
And one of the questions has been, is this part
of the strategy to go into Cuba. You may have
seen lately that Marco Rubio has been making speeches to
the Cuban people in Spanish, and so one of the
questions has been, are we about to see a Venezuelan

(36:29):
in like situation? Cuba right now is totally, almost totally dry.
They have less than two weeks worth of oil for
the entire country. Right now, Almost every place outside Havana
is operating under a twenty three hour blackout. There's one
hour of electricity a day. The Israeli, the Jewish, the Israeli.

(36:51):
The Cuban economy is in a point of absolute collapse.
And there's a true they can't grow enough food. So
you can understand, grows sugar and exports it and imports
food and energy. So it's not like they can go
to their local farms and get food. They grow sugar,
sugar for export. They got plenty of sugar. You can't
live on sugar. And theyn't even they don't even have

(37:13):
the tractors right now or the infrastructure to grow next
year sugar. So what's gonna happen Is there going to
be a ham Taran crisis And the part that a
lot of people aren't acknowledging. Look, I'm all for overthrowing
the Cuban regime, as some of you know and listen
to the show failures. My family, my grandfathers, my great
grandmother's family were Cuban landowners and we're we're stolen by.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
The great tobacco magnates that produce the I think New
Orleans only cigar, right and.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
The Oltrelli's not Newon's only cigar, but it's biggest and
it's it's real export. But the fact of the matter
is these are these are ruthless murders. But in order
to go back into Cuba, you break it, you buy it.
The cost to rebuild Cuba if there's a society collapse,
and we're pretty close to slidal collapse, let's get ready,

(38:03):
it's about two hundred and fifty billion dollars just to
get it stabilized. Otherwise we end up with a Haiti
with ten million people. Cuba itself can only grow is
only big enough to grow food if it didn't grow
sugar for two million people. It's an industrial society of
sorts and it's dependent upon that. And guess where the
next Cuban boat lift will go. Some will go to Miami,

(38:26):
but a lot of it would go to New Orleans.
We forget that prior to the revolution there was there
were more than there was a larger Cuban community in
New Orleans than almost any city in Cuba, but Havana
that the Cuban community is b this and it's actually
easier to go from various parts of Cuba to the

(38:49):
Mississippi and Louisiana Gulf coast than it is actually go
to Miami, and so Miami's closer, but it's it's kind
of difficult. So let's say the question is what happens
next in Cuba. We've talked a lot about whether there
is going to be an Iran deal, an oil deal,
so and so forth, but we're not really worried about
the Iranians getting on little boats and coming to the

(39:10):
United States. Cuba collapses, there's going to be five million
people going over choppy seas and rafts to try to
because they need to eat and there's no food.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
The only good thing about that is the fact that
wherever the Cubans go, they always prosper, but they always
give a lot more than they take. So all the
Cubans that have come to America have added so much
to our country. I don't necessarily think of that as
a bad situation anyway. And by the way, the elites
in Iran and the elites in Cuba are not missing
any meals. They're living in luxury. They have their air

(39:41):
conditionings going. They don't care about the rest of the
people as long as their creature comforts are in place.
That's what makes us say, very dangerous and very you know,
really bad situation. We need to take the total leadership out,
all right. The elites of these two very wicked, not
because of the people. The people are good, but because
of the lea. It's made their countries very wicked. All right, Well, folks,

(40:03):
it's time for us to take another break. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
The tall ships have arrived here along the Mississippi River.
Incredible sailing ships, beautiful ships from all over the world,
Hms Trent from the British Chilean ships. It's a once
in a lifetime opportunity to take your families to go
see the tall ships. And we not only encourage you
to do that all through the weekend, but while you're
down in the French Quarter, go to the to the

(40:27):
presbyter Museum and see the incredible carnival collection on the
second floor, including the Old and Young Men's Illinois exhibits
that will be running through next March. But also go
next door to the Cabildo and take a look at
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the American Revolution,
exhibit of the Galvez Expeditions, and the two hundredth anniversary

(40:48):
of the visit of the Marquis de Lafayette Galvez and
Lafayette at the Cabildo. The Young Men's Illinois and the
whole carnival collection at the presbyter and the tall Ships
on the river. Perfect trio for you to show your
family on this wonderful patriotic weekend.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Well, folks, I want to tell you about our Ministry.
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(41:23):
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(41:47):
If they have a you know, a parent, it's usually
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show up for anything for the kids. But the mother
many times, or the grand the grandmother or the auntie
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this many times in our ministry. The tragedy is off

(42:09):
the charts, but the rewards are extremely great. If you
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Speaker 2 (42:33):
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(42:55):
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be at four pm Sunday, May the thirty first. It
is a free concert with singers and you can come
and enjoy it with your family from four to five pm.
All available at twenty seven to twenty seven per ten year.
The Historic Rink right in front of the Garden District,

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Bookshop and bar epilogue.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
God, Oh well, folks are back and you are listening
to the Founders show the voice of the Finding Fathers,
and this is none other.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Then you'd spend.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Gary Baba all the Republic, Chaplin High McHenry. To bring
us to our final part of the show, where we
go into the biblical foundations of our chunk country, our
Judeo Christian jurisprudence. I'm showing you, folks, how America was
based upon the Bible, based upon God in depth and

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throughout as wide and deep as you want to go
in early America and the founding of this country, you
find God all over the place. It's absolutely amazing the
influence the Bible head over our country and why it's
become such a great country. You know, if you want
to make America great again, I think we better do
what the Finding Fathers did to make us great in
the beginning. And that's because they made great God great

(44:08):
in America. And to do that, you've got to make
God great in you. So and I'll talk about that
right after this. Now, today we're going to talk about
a fellow named George Reed. He was one of the
signers of the Decoration of Independence side of the Constitution
the United States, a delegate from Delaware to the Constitutional Convention,
as well as US Senator and Chief Justice of the

(44:29):
Supreme Court of Delaware. He had quite a career, didn't he.
As a youth, he went to seminary and he really
loved the Bible. He loved God. And he married a
beautiful gal who's actually the daughter of a minister George Ross.
And it was said of her that she was beautiful,
her manners elegant, and her piety exemplary. Folks, he got

(44:53):
a really great woman of God. I wonder why, folks,
because that's where his heart was, That's where his focus was,
and that's what he was doing for America, keeping America
straight on the straight and era with our Creator. He
was also known as the Father of Delaware. George Reid
wrote the first edition of her Laws as well as
the Constitution of the State of Delaware. Boy, this guy

(45:14):
was amazing. The requirement stated in the Delaware Constitution necessary
for holding office, by his words were this every person
and this is an article on twenty two in seven
from written during seventeen seventy. Most of the States rewrote
their constitutions during the Revolutionary War. Every person who shall

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be chosen a member of either House, as appointed to
any office or place of trust, shall make and subscribe
the following decoration to wit I, whatever your name is,
so and so do profess faith in God the Father,
and in Jesus Christ his only Son, and in the
Holy Ghost, to one God blessed forevermore. And I do

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acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament
to be given by divine inspiration. While folks, I think
he really was focused on making God great in America
because God was great in him. But what about you?
Is God great in you? See, that's where we need
to go. And so I will show you how that

(46:16):
can happen for you right now. As we're not going
to our chaplain by by gospel moment, we just take
a short period of time to show you how you
can know that. You know that, you know you going
to Heaven when you die, you're born again, you're saved,
washed with all your sins washed away. It goes like this, folks,
The Bible says God loves you with an everlasting love.

(46:37):
In fact, God's whole message in the Bible genesis revelation
can be summed up in one word.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Love.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
It's amazing in it. That's really what it's all about.
And all God requires from us is what the faith
of a little child. He does not even require great intellect,
a great academic accomplishment or whatever. No, all he wants
is simple, childlike faith, because that's what love is all about. So, folks,
here you go. This is what God did for you,

(47:02):
for me, for all of us. He knew we could
never ever fix our problems. He knew that, so he decided,
you know, I'm gonna fix some for him. But to
do that he had to become a man. That man's
name is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is God, the Son.
He came to this earth and became fully human, so
he's all the way man and all the way God,
perfect God and perfect man. He came to this earth
to deal with our sin problem, our death problem. He

(47:25):
dealt with our sin problem. The Bible says, when he
died for all of our sins on the cross, all
of your sins from the day you're born and the
day you die. Yet tinians to your greatest sins. They
all went on Jesus they actually went into him. He
was turned into sin that you might be made the
righteousness of God in him. The Scripture says, that's a
lot of love, folks, that's a lot of love. The
sins of the entire human race, millions of people all

(47:49):
going on Jesus, and the Bible says his blood washed
him all the way. Well, folks, after he died for
your sins, he had one more problem left to fix
to go to heaven, and that's your death problem. And
he fixed that when he rose in the dead to
win for you his precious free gift of resurrection, ever
lasting life. What I've just explained to you, folks, is
the gospel, and the Scripture says, the Gospel is the

(48:09):
power of God into salvation to whosoever believeth Folks, if
you've never done this before, if you've never believed that
Jesus died for all your sins, was buried and rose
in the dead, do it now repent turn from trusting
in yourself. That's what repentance says. It's the Greek word
is melanoia, and just plain simply means change your mind. Okay,
We'll change your mind about what this is. What folks,

(48:30):
before you thought you might help God out. You might
be smart enough, good enough, rights enough, religious enough, rich enough,
handsome enough, charming enough, whatever you think your deal is,
and that was going to help God get you in it. No,
you can't help God. Your hopeless and help us without
God destined to a burning hell. When you come to
understand that you just repented, you just changed your mind,
realizing what a total lucer you are before your creator.

(48:52):
If you've never done this before, repent now believe you
can't save yourself. So then you're free to put faith
ALONEO Christlane, You're free to believe that he did, he will,
and he has I mean, and is paying for your
sins so you can go to heaven because he rose
from the dead for you, folks. If you've never done
this before, do it right now. I believe that Jesus

(49:13):
really did die for all of your sins, was buried
and rose from the dead and split the second you
do that with all your heart, your whole heart, because
you're not trusting anything else because you repent it. Remember,
repentance is saying I can't do it. I'm hope to
some helpless I have nothing to bring to the table,
nothing for God. If God doesn't do it, it won't
get done. When you come to that point, you just repented,
and now you can you're free again to believe that

(49:33):
Jesus died for all your sins is bared and roase
some dead. Do it now, folks, don't wait till it's
too late, like the old country preacher says, and like
the Bible says, now today is the day of salvation. Well, folks,
it's one more or last thing we do on this show.
We either do a testimony time when we tell you
the story of a wonderful person who lived whenever it
could be he could be living now here or so

(49:54):
he could be living now, or someone from the earliest
times of recorded time. We have any many stories of
great men, women and children of God who really serve God,
did great things for God, and they have a powerful
message their life story. That's their testimony. And last week
we did Fanny Crosby, the great hymn writer wrote over

(50:14):
eight thousand hymns. But today we're going to go into
eschatology and that what that means I call it the
Witness on the Wall. What that means is Jesus is
coming back soon. That's what it means. And he is
coming back soon. There are many signs. There are over
two hundred prophecies in the Bible, Old and New Testament
about Jesus's second coming. There were one hundred for his

(50:34):
first coming. Now they're over two hundred for his second coming.
I guess that means it must be pretty important to God,
right it is, And he's coming back. He's coming back soon.
There's so many signs, folks. Time does not allowed for
me to go, you know, into Really, all I ever
have time for is just one. So today we're going
to take on this concept of the anti Christ being
able to see all, know, all be everywhere, and you know,

(50:56):
check everybody out, so to speak, a total surveillance society, Folks.
That couldn't happen fifty years ago, one hundred years. It
certainly didn't happen when it was written two thousand years ago.
But now today we know we live in a surveillance society.
And the Bible says the Antichrist is going to make
a statue to himself and put it in the Temple
of Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, and declare himself as

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God and call all people to worship him, and if
you don't worship him, he kills you. He cut your
head off literally, So, folks, can that happen now? You
better believe with robotics and all the other high tech
things we have that can create images that would be

(51:38):
a perfect image of another person. Well, he's going to
make this image of himself erected in the temple and
call all people to worship that image. You know that
happened in the Old Testament when we Nicodemus, not Nicodames
Nebukanz made a statue of himself and called all of
Babylon to come worship him. These things have happened in

(51:59):
the past, and that's what the devil is. He wants
worship from humans. He's not going to put his own
statue up, but he does it through wicked men. He
possesses a person and now it gets you to worship
that person. And the final one, and the most evil
of them all, is going to be the being called

(52:20):
the Antichrist. He's here now, folks. He's getting ready to
do all his dirty work. It's not gonna be nice,
it's going to be awfully nasty. But you can see
the science is here for that he can finally happen.
When that was written two thousand years ago, they had
no idea how that was going to happen. It was
not within their grasp of the of the current data

(52:41):
of the day, knowledge of the day. No, they had
no idea how that could happen. But folks, it can
happen now, can it. You've seen the robotics, you've seen
the AI, you've seen the surveillance society in which we live,
where the camera's everywhere watching us and they're getting all
our biometrics and learning all about us. Folks, it's here,
is here. So if you've never trusted Christ before, do

(53:03):
it now. Let Jesus be your safe house. Trusting him,
resting him, and it won't matter what happens. You're you're
going to be in the greatest bunker you could ever
be in, the Lord Jesus Christ Bunker. Well, it is
now time for us to close. As we close with
them on Saint Martin singing a creole goodbye, and God
bless all of it. They call you cel goodbye.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
They think we're just wasting the time, all three sibyl.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
Of me.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
There's time for a real goodbye.