La. Congressional Map Redraw Fight, Constitutional Amendments, Route 66

Hy and Christopher kick off the program, talking about the likely redraw of the LA congressional map, which looks amazingly like the 5-1 map that was in existence prior to Governor Jeff Landry coming to the office. There are a few minor differences, including the fact that St. Bernard Parish will no longer be divided between the First and Second Congressional Districts, but, nonetheless, the map has angered activists on the Right and the Left. Republicans wanted a 6-0 map with (mostly) undivided parishes and the 2nd District having a White plurality. Democrats were seeking two African-American majority districts. 
Hy and Christopher then discuss the hundredth anniversary of Route 66, and President Cameron Henry’s warning that failure to pass Constitutional Amendment 3 on teacher pay might mean that public school educator and staff salaries are cut. 
The focus of the conversation, though, centers on the spat between the Attorney General and the New Orleans City Council. As Christopher writes in The Louisiana Weekly: 
Recall petition against AG as Murrill seeks to fire NOLA mayor and council over clerk’s election 
On Wednesday, May 13, a little over a week after filing a petition to recall Governor Jeff Landry, Marian Gbaiwon Hills and Katilyn P. Stepter, the same residents who filed that first petition, did so against Louisiana Attorney General Liz Murrill. Their action occurred against a backdrop of legal action and threats against the mayor and New Orleans City Council for calling a Nov. 3 special election to fill the newly created Clerk of Court’s office. It is an election that Murrill’s nemesis—exonerated convict-turned-victorious criminal clerk of court candidate Calvin Duncan—would likely win. 
Reasons for the recall listed on the petition outline Murrill’s lack of fairness and accountability, using taxpayer dollars to push personal religious and political agendas, pushing religion into public schools, undermining the voices of voters in majority-Black communities, and government overreach into women’s healthcare decisions. A spokesperson from the Secretary of State’s Office explained that the petition must be signed by at least 20 percent of the electorate, a prodigious threshold of approximately 500,000 signatures, which has not been reached in decades. The petition, signed and dated, must then be submitted to the Registrar of Voters for each parish no later than 180 days following the day of filing with the state. 
The recall effort happens in the background of, and perhaps partially due to, the Attorney General’s loud objections to the decision by the mayor, the district attorney, and five members of the New Orleans City Council to call a special election this autumn for clerk of court, as well as to appoint retired Judge Calvin Johnson as interim Orleans Parish Clerk of Court. Murrill sent letters on Wednesday, May 13 to Johnson, District Attorney Williams, Mayor Moreno, and councilmembers Morrell, Willard, McCarron, King, and Hughes demanding they reverse course on the council’s resolution and the related special election on Nov. 3. Murrill argued that the council’s resolutions to appoint Johnson and call a special election were based on the false narrative that Act 15 created a new, vacant office. 
According to Murrill, the law did not create a vacancy. She said it eliminated the criminal clerk’s office position won by Calvin Duncan. Act 15 did not create a vacancy. It abolished the former criminal clerk’s office, transferred its authority, duties, records, and funds to the former civil clerk’s office, and renamed that continuing office the Clerk of Court for Orleans Parish. Chelsey Richard Napoleon remains the lawful Clerk of Court for Orleans Parish and will remain so for a full four-year term. Civil Clerk of Court Napoleon has also filed suit in court claiming this. 
The language of Act 15, the new law that combines the civil and criminal clerks of court in Orleans Parish, appears to support the position of Napoleon and Murrill, yet it does not preclude a special election for a new office either. As page 13 of Act 15 reads, the office of clerk of criminal district court for the parish of Orleans shall be abolished at the end of May 3, 2026, and before the term of any other criminal clerk of court begins. Immediately thereafter, the authority, functions, duties, and responsibilities of that office, along with all books, papers, records, monies, actions, and other property, shall be transferred to the clerk of the civil district court for the parish of Orleans, who shall thereafter be referred to as the Clerk of Court for the parish of Orleans. 
Murrill has publicly worried that a special electi

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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to see the money they did, don't there's nothing to feel.
The holes, well, there are fill in their pockets files.
The politicians mountain down the road every should for no moment.

(00:25):
Corruption and its function. It's gonna take divine its avention.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
There's a new map for the for the congressional districts,
and some people are unhappy. A lot of people, in fact,
on both sides of the aisle, which may mean it's
a good map. Also, Liz Morrell is threatening to get
rid of the mayor in most of the New Orleans
City Council. Mayor Helena Moreno responds on this program. And last,
but not least, Senate President Cameron Henry warns that there

(00:55):
will be a teacher pay cut if the Constitutional Amendment
fails on the ballot. Is that really true or is
that scaremongering? All this and a little bit of the
one hundredth anniversary of Route sixty six on this edition
of The Founder Show, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
God bless all out there.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
You are now listening to the founders. So the voice
of the founding fathers, you're Founding fathers coming to you
deep within the bowels, all those mystic and cryptic alligator
swamps of the Big Easy, that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana,
and high up on top of that old Liberty cypress
tree draped in Spanish moss way out on the Eagles

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Branch is none other. Then you're spingary baby all the
Republic Chaplain Hi mcceinry, and Christopher, I can't wait to
hear about Rite sixty six where it's all happening.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
And this is Christopher Seminary or roving reporter, resident radical
moderate and associate editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at
Louisiana Weekly Dot D. Yes, we'll talk about it later
in the show, very briefly, but I just got back
from driving from Chicago, Illinois, all the way to Santa
Fe in the first half of Route sixty six.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I got a group going.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
The rest of the half, and uh, we're a new
tour for in Common Journeys. But basically talking about I
got to be at the opening of the new Centennial
monument along the way and uh, and we forget to
part goes through parts of Kansas and uh, Missouri and
all that, and so we'll talk about that, but uh,
back to what is more pressing you guys, whenever I

(02:25):
go out of town, really go kind of crazy. Here
in Louisiana, the Attorney General threatening to fire the mayor
in the New Orleans City Council. We got Karon Henry,
the Senate President, saying, you don't pass my constitucial amendment,
I'll cut teacher pay raises across the street. I mean,
my god, what was going on while it was gone?
Here is this is? This is you know, this is
there's there's here.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Our Tourney General is also going to form up with
a group of other people and they're going to go
after the whole United States to get rid of all
the crooked politicians. Going to be interesting, Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Is it, lynch mob.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean it's uh, we're going to talk about all
of this and what happens. But uh, we got to
start off with the fact that there's a lot of
discontent on the congressional map that has just been passed.
And what's interesting is the congressional map that passed is
basically the congressional map we had before the last election,
with a few very small changes for population shift. We're

(03:18):
going back to the map before Cleo Fields, before Jeff
Landry became governor, where it's a five to one basis.
So you've got those on the left and the African
American community who are screaming, why don't we have two districts,
But Susan Labry and others in the Senate are screaming,
why didn't we go for six Republican districts? And part
of it was just practical. There is no way in Louisiana,

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when one third the population is black and forty percent
of the people vote Democratic in every election, and they're
concentrated in South Louisiana to draw a map that would
give six GOP districts. In fact, the map that was
proposed by Senator j Morris that we talked about last week,
which would have a white majority in five and a
white polarity in the sixth, was pretty much going to

(04:02):
create a white leaning Democratic seat. It would have been
a five to one map regardless, But more importantly, it
would have turned Steve Scalice's district into a swing district,
a Republican plus one or two district for the majority
leader of the United States House of Representatives, which was
going over real well when you figure that people have
to run the seat. State Senator Cameron Henry was Steve

(04:25):
Scalice's chief of staff for years and is going to
protect his old boss no matter what. And so what
we ended up with is what we started before Jeff
Landry decided to mess with our maps. Now Trump is
not happy. He wanted six. The African American community is
not happy, they wanted four to two. Cleo Field is
not happy. Troy Carter is probably the only person who

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can say is happy because he's got a safe seat again,
a seat that basically is very similar to his old seat.
That is, most of the city of New Orleans, excepting
the Lakefront area and parts of a little bit of
Uptown and most of the west bank of our Jefferson
in parts of Placuam and all the way up to
Saint John and too Baton Rouge to the outskirts of
Baton Rouge. It is a pretty straightforward district. It looks

(05:09):
a little bit like a salamander, but in this particular case,
that's only because the Mississippi River looks a little bit
like a salamander. It's not really jerrymander. It just follows
the river.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Cotton mouth moccason Christopher.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Or maybe just a really flexible alligator when you think
about it.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So we're going back to the original districts, joined alligator.
And the thing that.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm enjoying the most is, despite Jeff Landry's plot to
have closed Republican districts, we are the Founder's show, and
we always say, what you know, went in doubt?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
What would the founders think?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
They really hated closed primaries and hated closed political parties.
We're going back to the open primary, at least for
one election for congressional relations because there was no time
to be able to have closed primaries for those elections,
which could make things kind of interesting, especially since you
have Cleo Fields being drawn into his house in Baton
Rouge being drawn into the same seat as as a

(06:02):
Troy Carter.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Will Fields run for his current district, the fifth congressional District,
I don't know, but I do have a guess that
unless he's got big financial problems, Garrett Graves, the former congressman,
will And if there's one human being that Jeff Landry
likes less than members of the New Orleans City Council
right now, it is former Republican Congressman Garrett Graves, who

(06:28):
is the ultimate person proven right here. Garrett Graves, when
they were going to redraw the district, said, look, a
five to one map will pass muster if you send
it to the Supreme Court. Jeff Landry does not have
to draw a second African American district. And if you
draw the district, that Clio Fields, who is the only Democrat.
He was appointed as the only Democrat to chair committee

(06:49):
in this couse Governmental Affairs, the one that redrew it,
I mean Senate Governmental Affairs. He drew his own district.
He said, this is a clear gerry mandering. The Supreme
Court is going to strike it down. And he told
African American legislators, if you support this map, you're going
to lose every black district in the country. And he
told White legislators, if you support this map, you're not
only costing yourself a Republican vote, it's going to ricochet

(07:11):
down for the next five years and we're eventually going
back to a map. Garrett Graves is the one guy.
And he said, and if you're going to defend this,
he said this to Liz Morrel, you might as well
get a competent lawyer. How about Morris bart because no
one making a joke because he thinks Liz Morrel is
a terrible lawyer. And we're about to discuss that particular issue.

(07:33):
But Garrett Graves is getting a seat back. The question
is is he in a financial position to run for
it again in a very short period of time. He
had to raise a lot of money. But it wasn't
so very long ago that Garrett Graves was one of
the most powerful congressmen in the country. He was the
chief basically counselor to Kevin McCarthy, the former speaker, and
he lost a lot of Republican support in Louisiana when

(07:54):
he tried to keep Kevin McCarthy a speaker when Sclice
decided to run, but he didn't vote against Schoolie. We
just sort of wait, let's see if Kevin can get
reelected first, which didn't go over very well. But back
to the beginning, as it will, it looks like the
sweep steaks for congressional districts are going to be won
by the Republicans. Tennessee, of course, divided Memphis up into

(08:16):
two Republican districts. But there's this weird thing that's happened
in Florida and Tennessee, and we're about to see something
similar in Mississippi where Bernie Thompson's district African American Rule
Democrat is going to lose. One of the things that's
happening is it's turning these GOP districts that are safe
Republican districts into essentially swing districts. So here's essentially the

(08:40):
way to think about it in the American South. This
is not true in the North or the West. If
five percent of your district is white, you're probably going
to a safe Republican district.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's the way the South is.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's not other parts of the country.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
This is why the.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Racial factor has a meaning here beyond the whole thing.
But if it's less than fifty five percent white, more
likely than not your swing at some level. The districts
they're drawing are called R plus one or R plus
two districts. That means that Trump would have won them
by one or two percent, which for southern state is

(09:13):
not much at all. And that means that if the
wave is high enough, the oddity of this entirely districting
move in the South is you might end up with
the same number or fewer Republican districts than before. If
there is like a ten point wave against the GOP,
that's very, very possible. Because here's the other truth and

(09:35):
why race matters. There are a lot of white people
who will vote for a white Democrat but not for
a black Democrat. They would choose a white Republican over
a black Democrat. Folks, somebody's going to be screaming. I'm saying,
it's a fact. It's the reason why John Bell Edwards
could win and Kathleen Blanco could win, but Cleo Fields

(09:56):
and Bill Jefferson couldn't. It's the white Democrat will choose
a white candidate in many, though not all or even
a majority of cases, but enough to make a difference.
And that could backfire if there are white Democrats running
in these districts that have a certain degree of coat
tails and that and right now the political environment for
Trump is not looking so great nationally, so all of

(10:19):
this may end up with the Republicans losing the House anyway.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Interest Christopher, We'll see it's at a time where like historically, uh,
the the party that's out ends up winning the midterms.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, usually it's it happens like that, don't. I mean,
it'll be if the Republicans get the House, that'll be
a very rare event in the history of politics. But
it could happen, especially with the redistricting. What we've seen
were for what the Democrats had been doing for for decades.
Finally the Republicans, you know, waited so dog gone long.

(10:53):
We started to Jerrymanda like they did, and now we've
got huge red areas, uh and and doing the same
same thing out of the Democrats. The Democrats have done
to us for decades. We're just trying to catch even
a score. But we sure waited too long to do it.
But at least it's being done, so I'm okay with that.
It's gonna be interesting to see how this thing turns out.
It's gonna be very very, very interesting, folks. We've got about,

(11:16):
you know, five months until the election, the mid terms,
and a lot can happen during that time.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
A whole lot can happen.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Trump it appears it's just had a very successful trip
to China, which is going to be very positive for
America and for the Republican Party. So we'll just see
how it all works out. Anyway, Christopher, what's.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
You're We can talk about how successful the trip to
China has been. We don't really know yet, but hopefully
you know, you have to be not you're not pay
patriotic whether you love or hate Trump, if you don't
want him to be successful versus the Chinese. I mean,
if you if you're rooting for the Chinese ever Donald Trump,
you're really in trouble.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm sure the Democrats are. They always do.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
But no matter how good it is, what Trump does,
they attack him on it. You know, if he cured cancer,
they would condemn him for destroying all the medical industry
that's tied in with canes, putting all those people out
of jobs.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Whatever he does.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
If he walked on water, then say you see that
fool he we knew he couldn't. Well, that's Trump derangement syndrome.
And that's how that's how insane they are.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Chris.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
But they realized they just have their overwhelming hatred for
Trump and doesn't matter what he does, they're going to
condemn and the mainslam media of course will continue that.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, Chi jimping the head of China. He kind of
came out with something interesting. He gave a speech next
to Trump, and he was talking about the fact that
he kind of warns Trump and if it is of
being the worlds at a crossroads and overcoming the thecidities trap.
Do you know what the thucidities trap is? This is

(12:45):
from the Peloponnesian wars that basically great empires end up
getting in forever wars that cost them to be empires.
This is Athens versus Sparta.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Finally Sparta one, but that was quite.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Sparta wins beats Athens and because and then twenty five
years later are so exhausted that thebes all but destroy Sparta,
which is the part of the story people sit tend
to forget. So in the end, both sides lose. And
that's the point that he's kind of getting across, and
the point that we somehow have to remember about picking

(13:19):
your battles. Look, I didn't mind Trump. This is this
is where even I came out. You know, he wanted
to bomb the Iranians and can bomb them to the
hearts content. But the fact I didn't have that problem.
But the fact is, with no you know, no end
in sight, what is the exit plan? And I think
that's one of the things that Chinese. I mean they're
making a point their allies to the Iranians. In a
matter of speaking, they're both totalitarian regimes. But you know,

(13:43):
we have to remember that. Look, I do want to
talk about before we go to the break, this whole issue.
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(14:04):
election has been decided on the constitutional amendments, and one
of the constitutional amendments it has to do with paying
off a series of state funds debt basically and taking
that money and paying teachers more. And it failed once before.

(14:24):
And what would probably under existing state law, what would
simply happen is teachers would not get a pay raise.
But Cameron Henry came out he's for those that do
not know the Senate president, and he's quoted in an
article in the Louisiana Illuminator, one of the news sites,
that said, if the amendment about teacher pay raise is voted,

(14:45):
down by the public like it was last time, teachers
will have their pay cut. Probably his reasoning is the
House would not want to go against what the people want.
And I'm reading this and I hate to read it
twice because I'm like, all this is saying a lot
of the funds that they want to get rid of
to fund the teacher pay that are paying debt in
part are specific funds for specific like the Excellence Program,

(15:08):
invest in technology, and there's certain funds and this so
that voting against this plan was to get rid of
funds that are used for specific purposes. Now look, let
me say something very publicly. I support the amendment, not
because I particularly support Jeff Landry, but to me, teacher
pay raises are more fundamental than any other thing we spend,

(15:31):
other than, you know, physical safety of children. If you
don't pay teachers well enough, you lose teachers. But there's
nothing in the existing law that says teacher pay will
be cut if you don't pass the constitutional amendment. This
is pure scare mongering. I mean, very dirictan. You'd have
to pass another set of laws to do what he's
talking about, and that to me, it's just I have

(15:55):
some of you know, have a history of Cameron Henry,
and I actually do respect him. He's been a very
good Senate President, was a good leader in the House
of the Appropriations Committee. But this was a bit over
the top. It's like what Liz Morell is doing with
trying to scare the New Orleans City Council and the
mayor over the clerk's job and trying to say we'll
get rid of your jobs. It has no basis in law,

(16:18):
and you can do a lot of things. You can campaign,
you can say their consequences. You can say this, this
is a fair statement. If we don't do this and
raise teacher pay, we're going to lose one hundred thousand
teachers because teachers are quitting the profession at fast rates,
and we have a huge number that are retiring and
we can't replace them. That is an absolutely factual statement
that doesn't hurt anybody. It's a statement of fact. It's

(16:41):
a supposition, but it's based on us. But it is
a false thing to say if you vote down a
constitutional amendment, that the House will be required to go
forward and cut teacher pay, just to show that it
can be bitter. That's dumb and it's not worthy of
the Senate President. And I normally do not get on
my high horse because I actually like Cameron on a

(17:01):
personal level, and I understand what he's trying to do,
which the amendment is probably I've thought it's a good thing.
But this is just beyond the pale. This is this
is not appropriate.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well, Christopher, that's the world of politics.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
They get crazy, they get wild, they get desperate, they
get maybe this is something in the political world, and.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
There's a rule here, and it goes like this, I
can exaggerate in a political ad, but I cannot blatantly lie.
Politicians are not supposed to lie to one another. And
I know you're like, you're saying it, but if you
actually look at how this works, this is one of
the things that Trump has never understood. You can stretch
the truth, and that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Before God.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
When you come out and say something that's a blatant untruth,
you've gone too far, all.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Right, So they know they know how to manipulate the words.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
So it's a well a well told lot. Let's call
it a well told lie taught by Jesuits.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
No, yeah, I know, I know, actually no, but they're
good jesuits and bad jesuits there really are. Anyway, what
it is time for us take a break. We'll be
right back after this brief commercial interlude.

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Speaker 4 (23:04):
And guess what it cost a whole big amount of
fr It's free, folks, free ninety nine. So folks just
download that up on your phone, in your car, on
your computer at home, wherever you want to put it
and you get us anytime you want to at your convenience. So, folks,
it's not time for us to start show the show.
And this is Chaplinhigh McHenry with.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Christopher Tidmore and folks, before we get into Liz Morrel
and Helena Moreno's increasingly bitter feud over Calvin Duncan and
the criminal Court and how this thing is starting to
spiral really out of control. I want to bring up
something we were talked about yes last week, and that's,
of course, the Miller for a Stone. On Thursday, late

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Thursday afternoon, the Supreme Court ruled extended its stay on
the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is based here
in New Orleans, Louisiana, sued to force the Food and
Drugministration to restrict the distribution of the abortion pill Miller
pristone that allows abortion in the first ten weeks and
can be accessed via telemedicine and through the mail. They

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overruled it, and the reason they overruled it was they
made a very simple say, there's no law that says
the Food and Drug Administration can't allow this to happen.
And the current Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F.
Kennedy and the current president, Donald John Trump both support
the movement of this pill, and we have no constitutional
basis to restrict this because.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
There is no law that says it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
The dissent came from Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, who
are dissenting on originalist grounds. And this is one of
the things I've been warning conservatives about. It's not that
Amy Connie Barrett, or for that matter, the other members
of the Conservative court that seemed to rule against quote us,
the conservatives are wrong. It's that they're textualist. John Roberts's wonders,

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which and a textualist is very straightforward. If the law
says it, that's what it means. If the law doesn't
say it, it doesn't mean that. They're not like the
left of a living constitution, but they're not like the
right that says we'll find the rights because it existed
or didn't exist two hundred and fifty years ago. It says,
you know, our job as judges is to interpret the
law as it's written, and there is no law. And

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when the Republican president wants abortion effectively legal in the
first trimester, first twelve weeks, no matter how you or
for that matter, me or how and I might feel
about it. There's not much of a case that the
right can make. And the irony is lis Morel is
pushing this case against the White House, and the White
House doesn't want this particular issue to be in The

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four pro life groups very much want to restrict Miller pristone,
and Louisiana law is very specific that says abortions are
not legal in the state. But the Constitution more particularly
the Commerce clause of the Constitution says unless Congress regulates
interstate commerce, which this would be, Louisiana doesn't have the
right to put tariffs or restrictions on its border against

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other states. And that's one of the founding principles of
the Constitution, and the founders for that matter why you
know why we got rid of the articles confederation. So
even if you're pro life, if you're a strict constructionist
constitutionalist conservative, you have to accept this decision as right,
even if you think it's immoral. One of the points

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I'm trying to make to people is those two arguments
are not always.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
The same, right right.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, that's an interesting battle going on of the originalists
versus the and that means original intent, What do they
really mean if there's any question in the law, and
you could see it one way or the other, then
they go back and they try to find preiterations that
describe what these people were really planning and thanking our
founding fathers, and they go on that, and that has

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some value. But so anyway, it's an interesting situation in law,
and we just have to take it one step at
a time, one day at a time, see how it
all unfalls and what comes out of it, and they
make the final decision in the Supreme Court. It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean, here's what I'm getting at. If this is
such an important issue, why does not just RFK Junior,
why does Trump support it? And look, I as somebody
who is pretty much increasingly pro life to the level
of conception, I think it is an important issue. But
I'm going to say something. The majority of Republicans, not

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the majority of the country or the majority of Louisiana.
The majority of Republicans across the United States support abortion
in the first trimester. So Donald Trump is actually where
the American people are. And this makes pro lifers lex
But I said, you don't have a pro life president.
You have a moderate, pro choice president. That's not an insult.

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That's how he describes himself.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Well, you know, as far as what he really believes,
one day, we'll find that out when it's all over,
that he can let it all hang out as politics
has changed him, as far as realizing, you've.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Got to you know, get the vote. You got to
get the vote.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
And if you're coming out with a bull stand that's
against what most of the voters wantna, that's gonna hurt you.
You may not win the election, you may not bail
to pass the legislation, whatever, Christopher.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
So if you have been living under a rock, you
have not realized the other thing that's been going on
in local politics lately, and that's the fact that the
Louisiana legislature abolished the position of Criminal Clerk of Court
in Orleans. And it was a personal move. Liz Morel
really pushed this to the legislature and part of the
reason she pushed it at this time was not economics.

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It was the fact that she was afraid of Calvin Duncan,
who had been one time felon who was exonerated, becoming
the Criminal District, the head of the criminal courts. Now,
what has happened. This proved this was overturning an election
that was held, and so the people of New Orleans,
the public opinion ratings against doing this have been drastic.

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Even people who voted against Calvin Duncan said that they
would vote for him again if he had an opportunity.
And so the New Orleans City Council and the mayor said, okay, technically,
and this is where this is where technicalities come into
a real issue. When a new position is created, you
have to have a special election to fill it. That's
how the law works. And previously these were two separate positions,

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and now it's a new position, and so they decided
to for the fall create a special election for the
combined Criminal and Civil District Court. This was something debated
opposed in court by Civil Clerk of Court Chelsea Richard Napoleon,
and her argument on it.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Has to do with.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
The actual reading of the law. And I want to
just say this. The actual bill Act fifteen says, the
Office of Criminal District Court for the Parish of Orleans
is the legislative statute shall be abolished at the end
of May third, twenty twenty six before the term of
the of any other criminal Clerk of Court begins immediately

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thereafter the authority, functions, duties and responsibilities of the office
of Clerk of Criminal District Court. And the other property
of every kind description movable and immovable, real and vested, controlled, etcetera, etcetera,
shall be used by the Office of Criminal District Court,
shall be transferred, owned and possessed, YadA, YadA, YadA, by

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the Clerk of Civil District Court in the Parish of Orleans,
who shall be referred to as the Clerk of Court
of Orleans. Now, it's very straightforward that the office is
merged into the Clerk of Court. What it doesn't say
is whether or not this is a new office or
the merging into another office. Liz Morel came out and said,

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this is merging into another office. And you know, Chelsea
Richard Napoleon is the new combined clerk and that's it.
The New Orleans City Council has said, well, you've you
may have merged the two offices, but you created something new,
and the Constitution says we got to have a special election. Well,
Liz Morell hates the idea of Calvin Duncan running again,
which he said he would, and the fact that every

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poll says he'd win with seventy percent of the vote,
because people in New Orleans may be liberal, but there
are also even many Republicans are like, you don't have
a right to take away our elections. And remember this
is all happening in the backdrop of the fact that
they delayed the congressional elections, and people aren't really happy
in a black majority city to have gotten rid of
a black majority district, albeit in this case in the

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Baton Rouge to Shreport area.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
So all of this is going on.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Liz morel turns around and if you hadn't noticed, came
in and said, well, if this goes on, I'm in
the mayor. We're going to get rid of the mayor
and five of the six council members who voted for
this special election. And I when I heard it, I
was like, and the governor will appoint their replacements. And
I'm thinking myself, okay, that this went nuclear really fast.

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It also creates a very dangerous precedent, and the mayor
of New Orleans, Lna Moreno, has her own viewpoints on this.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Perfectly clear that I will not be intimidated or threatened
by the state Attorney General. I received a letter from
her today threatening to remove me from office due to
my support of recent council action where they appointed an
interim clerk of court.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
In this letter, she also threatens to.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Work to remove our district attorney and five members of
our New Orleans City Council Council President Morrell, Vice President Willard,
Council Member King, council Member Hughes, and council Member mcaren,
and then says that it would be up to the
governor to appoint all of our replacements. I'll also say

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that it is surprising that the Attorney General put all
of this in a letter, considering that there is a
criminal law which is revised Statue fourteen one twenty two,
that prohibits intimidating or threatening a public official in an
effort to try to influence a decision or change their position.

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In this case, the letter says that we must reverse
course and change our position on appointing an interur own clerk.
There's also a variety of different ethical and professional conduct
issues with this letter that was sent. The issues surrounding
the clerk's office should all play out in court. Let

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the process work let the legal process work instead of
threatening and intimidating people to try to get them to
back down. And so bottom line, I'm not going to
be threatened, I'm not going to be intimidated, and I.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Won't back down.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
So Helena Moreno is a pretty moderate politician overall, and
she's a white in a black city and Latino. The
argument is she's always in a difficult position. If you
think this isn't sort of like saying, you know, saying no, Berbert,
don't throw me into that, Dear Briah Patch. This has

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to be one of the stupidest political moves I've ever seen,
because she's right, Liz morel could have gone to the
courts and argued before the courts, Hey, this is how
we wrote the law. She might have lost, she might
have won, but the fact of the matter is the
odds are she could have won and said, look, this
doesn't create a new office, it's merging into an existing office.
It's a responsibility issue. But instead, by doing this, you've

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highly politicized a legal issue that was already politicized. But
I mean you've taken it from level six to two
hundred and seventy four in the midst of already a
voting crisis. And your answer is to tell a democratic
city that the Republican governor would appoint essentially what would

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end up being a Republican mayor in a Republican council.
This is I mean, imagine, let me let me reverse
all this for a second. Let's assume Governor John Bell Edwards,
or for that matter, I don't know. President Obama said,
I don't like what you're doing under the law because
you didn't elect the person I wanted. So therefore I'm
abolishing the parish government of Saint Tammany and appointing all

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Democrats to do what I want. And here are my arguments,
and I'm going to prosecute anybody who doesn't do this.
Imagine what the reaction would be.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean, come on, folks, tell us again why they're
removing the kirk of court.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So the argument that's official is they are merging the
clerk's office of Criminal and Civil District Court into one office,
because that's what every other parish in the state.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Does.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
But this has gone before the legislature before it's gotten
voted down. They did it this time because the election
to Calvin Duncan who is. He was a long time
inmate in Angola, and he went through the process and
finally his conviction was reviewed and he was totally exonerated.
He wasn't found not guilty, he was exonerated. His conviction

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has been expunged. But he spent twenty eight years in
prison while this was going on. And he's been somebody
who's been a big advocate for legal reform, and he
ran for Criminal Clerk of Court, which not only runs
our elections in many critical areas, but runs all the
rules of evidence in the administration of the courts. Liz
Morell never agreed with his exoneration. In fact, she thinks

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he's a criminal, and she's been on a jahade to
make sure he never takes office. And look, I respect
the fact I did not support Calvin Duncan for this
and the Louisiana Weekly we endorsed Darren Lombard, the incumbent
and his opponent. There were some really good arguments about him.
I've met him several times. By the way, I found

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him to be very compelling, very intelligent, very straightforward, very
honorable at meeting. There's nothing wrong with it. But I
thought that was But here's the thing democracy is about
rest expecting people's right to vote and what they vote on.
And sometimes the vote doesn't go the right way in
your eyes. Well, guess what tough, because the voters are

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supreme and sovereign the rights of the people. The voice
of the people is the voice of God. That is
a quote from one of our founders, Governor Morris.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Also the fellow who wrote the Constitution, Madison, James Madison,
said that there's no king in America, but everybody is
a king. If you're an American citizen, you are a sovereign,
which is really interesting. And the reason you're saying that
it is a king had the final word, And what
he's saying now is.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
That people have the final word. We are all.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Kings in this country, and so it's incumbent upon us
to take with great gravity and great you know, seriousness
the things we do to bring in good political leaders
and good government.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So where do you stand on this high with him?
What do you stand on on Liz Morrel trying to
get rid of the Council because they want to call
another election.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I think she's getting a little cuckoo.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Christopher from if I'm getting all the facts straight, and
I don't know why she You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
You never know.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Uh, people can look like they're really good people and
then something happens and they start getting crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't know. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
You heard it, mister, and missus America and all the
ships at sea. I got to tell you, when you
lose Hi McHenry, you have lost America in the Maga movement.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
No, chrispher No, no.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Look, you can have any nutcase get into any movement
and they need.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
To be removed General of Louisia.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I don't care who they are what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I don't care who they are. I don't care who
they're More of this story will.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Come out as time goes on, and we'll find out
more about it me and we'll see once the dust settles,
what you know, the whole story on it.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
But anyway, I got it. I got to say.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
We've only got a couple of minutes left. But we
have a special anniversary that has happened. For those that
don't know it is we're coming up on the hundredth
anniversary this year of the Mother Road, as John Steinbeck
called it, the original first federal highway, Route sixty six.
There had been a couple of other attempts to put
highways together, including the Jefferson Highway or the Lincoln Highway,

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the Dixie Highway, but those were just cities and states
putting together. This was the first federal highway put by
Cyrus Avery, proposed in Missouri in Springfield, Missouri, in nineteen
twenty six. This month, and I just got back on
a trip driving from Chicago all the way to Santa
Fe and related a group from uncommon journeys and seeing
some of the great points of Americana celebrating it, including

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some wonderful new statues, and all this to the idea
that not just as a road that Americans could drive
across the country and create a new life, the Route
sixty six was to the early twentieth century, not just
the grapes of Wrath, but those in the fifty of
going to California and starting again, what the Oregon Trail
was to the nineteenth century. And it is part of

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the mythology of a man America. And I'm glad we're
celebrating its centennial.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Right chrispher But let me the big question is, did
you get your kicks on Route sixty six.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Not only did I get my kicks on Red sixty
six at the Round sixty six Museum in Clinton in Clinton, Missouri,
which had a fantastic thing dedicated to the song, but
I actually learned a lot about the people that came through,
how they changed America because for the first time, you
could drive across America directly without changing course and the

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whole rest and how that changed the psychology of America
that one decision, because let's face it, you could take
a train across, but it's somebody else's business. The ability
to get in a car start in Chicago end up
in LA That was a revolutionary idea. And by the way,
I pointed out, Route sixty six quote was destroyed by
the Interstates, but it was created because Dwight Eisenhower had

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to move troops from California to Louisiana overnight in thirty
six hours, and he did it via Route sixty six,
and he said, we need a better system. He based
on the German Audibonds. So literally Route sixty six helped
create the interstate system as we know.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
It isn't that interesting, folks, It's a fascinating tale. There
was a television series about this and tell wonderful stories
about Round sixty six, what.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Was going on.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
And I'm so glad that people are recognizing it and
they're trying to bring it back again. It's a part
of a really a great part of our history. Well, folks,
it's time for us to take a break. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
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Speaker 2 (42:03):
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Speaker 1 (42:29):
Four eight God ows God to two shoes.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
So we're back and you are listening to the founders,
so the voice of the funding fathers. And it's not
time for us to go into our chaplain, babe bah,
patriotic moment. We just take a brief moment to remind
you of the biblical foundations of our country, our Judeo
Christian jurisprudence. And today I want to talk about education
because we had a good part of our show on
education and teachers and the payment of teachers and whatnot,

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so I thought this was fitting. Today I want to
tell us about the amazing history of the College of
William and Mary, which is our oldest institution of higher
learning in all of America of the original thirteen colonies,
founded in sixteen ninety three, a good many years before Harvard,
which was the second oldest, and the founder of it

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was the fellow named Reverend James Blair, and he ended
up becoming their the first college president. By the way,
a chancellor years later was none other than George Washington.
He became one of their first chancellors. He got his
degree there. Many famous Americans got their degree there, Thomas Jefferson,
even Benjamin Franklin got an honorary degree the John Tyler President,

(43:47):
John Tyler, President, James Monroe, George Wyeth, Chief Justice John Marshall,
Peyton Randolph, the first President of the Cottinea Congress, as
well as sixteen members of that Congress. They all got
their education at William and Mary. And this is what
the charter said in sixteen ninety three, Folks William and Mary,

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by the grace of God of England, Scotland, France and Ireland,
King and Queen, defenders of the Faith, to all whom
our present letters shall come greeting, forasmuch as our well
beloved and truly trusted subjects constituting the General Assembly of
our Colony of Virginia, have had it in their minds
and had proposed to themselves to the end that the

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Church of Virginia may be furnished with a seminary of
ministers of the Gospel, and that the youth may be
piously educated in good letters and manners, and that the
Christian faith may be propagated amongst the Western Indians. To
the glory of God. Think of that, folks, our first
institution of learning was a seminary, in fact.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
A Harvard Yale.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
They were all prince and they were all founded as
seminaries originally. So, folks, can't you see how God had
his hand on our country in every place, every area imaginable.
That's why our founding fathers wanted God to be right
in the middle of our government, not institutionally, but philosophically.

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That was the goal to have a philosophical foundation that
was very biblical, and they did it. We have drifted
from that, starting back right on the turn of the
century when a lot of modernism came in and they
were trying to say, ah, we don't.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Need God anymore. You know, we're good on our own,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And it has really watered down the original plan for
education and for godly biblical government. But you know what, folks,
you could have the greatest biblically founded government holding.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Fast to the scriptures.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
But you know what, if you yourself, being maybe a
great biblical patriot, if you yourself did not know Jesus,
it would do you no good and he and you
dine go to hell.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
What good is that? And so, folks, it's not.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Time for us to go into our chaplain by gospel
moment where I'm gonna show you absolutely how you can
know that when you pass away one day, we're all
crossing over, folks. Nobody gets out of this, nobody escapes it.
Everybody's got to pass through death. Even Jesus didn't get
out of that. We all have to face that one day.
And for some of us, like my age group with

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the Bloomers, you know, we're getting closer and closer, folks,
So pay attention because it's a simple message designed for children.
Jesus said, unless you come as a little child, you
shall in no wise enter in suffer the little children
to come to me for such.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
It's a kingdom of God. You see.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
It's a simple message. Children get it really quickly and easily.
It's not complex. It was not designed for or by
great theologians, brilliant intellectuals, you know, highly educated and credentialed
philosophers or whatever.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
None of that intellectual garbage. Huh huh.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
It was designed for little kids. So that means it's simple, folks.
So here's a simple message. God knew that you hopeless
and helpless without him.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
He knew you could never make it. You're just not
that good.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
And yet you have to reach the standard of perfect
righteousness to go to heaven. So how is that gonna
happen when you're not even close to the Bole says,
the best you have to offer God is nothing but
filthy REGs. All of our righteouses are as filthy REGs.
Isaiah says, so how are you going to do this?
How are you going to pull this off? Well, he
knew you never could do it, So he said, I
know what to do here because I love my creation.

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I love my human beings that are created to be
just like me in my image. I don't want them
all going to Hell.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I don't want any of them to go to hell.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
The Bible says God is long suffering, not willing that
any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God really wants you to be in heaven with him.
The Bible says God created hell for devils, for sin,
and for death. That's the original purpose of hell. But
the Scripture says, a very tragic statement in the Word
of God says hell is being in large. It means

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it's being made larger and larger. You know why the
people and the beings that God had no plan to
go there are going there. Human beings who reject God
all their lives, to the very end of their lives,
and when they die there's no hope.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
For don't you be one of those folks.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Here the gospel, the scripture says, the gospel is the
power of God at a salvation. Now here's what it is.
It clearly states in one Corinthians fifteen. For I declare
to you the gospel that Jesus died for all of
our sins. I mean, from the day you're born to
the day you die, You Talians, the greatest sins they
all went on Jesus for and his blood washed them
all the way. For I declared to you the gospel
that Jesus died for all of our sins according to

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the scripture, that he was buried, and that he rose
from the dead according to the scripture. And that who's
sever believe in this message this gospel should not perish,
but have ever last life. That the last part was
a paraphrase because it's a lot longer, but that's basically
what it's saying. That you have to believe to get
this great gift. The scripture says, believe on the Lord
Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. The Bible says,

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for God's so love the world. That's you, that's everybody.
That he gave his only begotten son, that's the Lord
Jesus Christ. That whosoever believeth in him. Oh, believe what,
Believe that he died for your sins and rose to
the dead. That whosoever believed in him shall not perish,
not go to hell, but have everlasting life. If you've
never done this before, folks, do it now. Don't wait
till it's too late. Do what Jesus said. He kept saying,

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repent and believe. Repent and believe that word repentance is
very important. It's most confused word in Christendom today, I believe,
because it's always about turning from your sins, cleaning up
your life, fixing things. You're bringing your righteousness to the table,
which God says is filthy rags. So give up, forget it,
stop trying to be so good. Let God be good
for you. That's the gospel. That's how you get to

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heaven because you put faith alone in Christ, alone with
all of your heart, because your heart's not trusting anything else.
That's how it can be all of your heart. It's
not the intensity of your passion. It's not how big
your heart is, it's none of that. It's just you're
not trusting anything else. And then all that's left for
your heart is faith alone in Christ, faith alone, believing
that Jesus died for all of your sins and rose

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and the dead again. If you've never done this before, please, folks,
do it now. Don't wait till tomorrow. You may not
be around. You're crossing over to the other side. Could
happen tonight. Don't wait untill it's too late, like the
old country preacher said, like the Word of God says. Now,
today is a day of salvation. Well, folks, it's time
for us to talk about end at times, because Jesus

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is coming back, and he's coming back soon, and there
are many many signs.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
There are over two hundred signs.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Of course, we can't cover all that right now, but
I just try to pick one or two and show
them to you. And today I want to talk about
the Kings of the East. You know, we just have
had a president who's just appears to be a very
successful trip to China. He seemed to be holding all
the cards. China has some cards on us, though, so
there was a lot of negotiating going on. I think
Trump has come out ahead. He usually does. He's a

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great negotiator and he has a great negotiating team. He
brought in the best we have, like like twenty of
the top executives in America. And but they talk Turkey
while they were going and I think we're coming out
of it is fine. But let me tell you what's
going on with with China and the The Bible calls
them the Kings of the East that in the end

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before the battle of them again, the last big blowout
on this earth, where there's gonna be hundreds of millions
of people killed in that final battle there and around
the world. It's gonna be the last World war, folks.
It's gonna be bad. It's gonna be like really bad.
And so this is how the final scenarios happens. The

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Kings of the East decide they're going to the Middle East.
Why oil? We can see how they're strapped for oil. Well,
they're finally going to solve that. But moving the largest
army that's ever moved two hundred million soldiers. That's outrageous.
But you know what, China alone could raise two hundred
million people. But when you take all the kings of
the East, it's a low hurdle for them. And they've
already built the highways. They built like ten lane highways

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going from you know, connecting age of the old Silk
Road to the Middle East. Folks, it's all lining up,
and it's lined up for one final, great, horrible war,
the worst war that's ever happened. And if all that
is unfolding, Jesus is coming back, and of all things,
the West is going to unite with the East. The

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West will be represented by the Antichrist. The kings of
the East are coming to take the Antichrist offense thrown
and get all the oil. They realize they've got a
bigger problem, a bigger enemy, and that's going to be
Jesus coming back in the sky. Everybody will see him.
He said, he's coming back like he left. He's coming
back in the heavenies, and he's coming back this time
for war. When he came the first time, he came

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for peace, hugs, loves and kisses. But those days are over.
Now he's coming back to clean up this earth and
he's going to have to do it with the sword
and he's going to do it, and that'll be the setting,
and then the final battle, the Battle of arm again.
That's going to finally prepare this earth for him to
establish his kingdom, where there'll be peace on earth and
goodwill to all men.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
All the bad people will be taken out, and.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Folks, we're going to have a thousand years of true utopia,
something the world has never known. It's gonna be wonderful.
I can't wait for that day. Well, folks, if you're
not ready, you better get ready. And the greatest bank
bunker you can ever gets the Jesus bunker, get in
him right now.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Let him be your safe house.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Believe that he died for all your sins, was buried
and rose from dead, and it won't matter what's going
on with all these end time apocalyptic horrible things going on,
you'll be safe in Jesus if you've never done and
do it now, folks. Well it's time for us to
close and close to them Mount Saint Martin singing a
creole goodbye, and God bless all of it.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
To call you creel goodbye.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Please think we're just wasting the time, All three Sivy,
there's time for a creo, Goodbye,