Live from New York, It’s Fraunces Tavern

Christopher broadcasts live from Fraunces Tavern Museum in Manhattan. He interviews Ambrose Richardson on the meaning of the American Revolution and George Washington’s greatest patriotic act: laying down power. This leads into Rep. Mike Bayham’s effort to lifetime-limit governors to two terms. Hy and Christopher discuss Black soldiers in the American Revolution and school vouchers. Hy concludes with the Continental Army’s church regulations.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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the politicians bouncing down the road. Every body's wish for.

(00:24):
No moment, corruption and dysfunction's gonna take you. Divide is vent.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, holiday, folks, it's time for the American Revolution. And
we're going to be talking about Francis Tavern and about
African Americans during the during seventeen seventy six during the
Revolutionary War, and term limits in Louisiana school vultures, and

(00:54):
then finally the last words of George Washington as he
left the military. All of this, plus the chaplain babba
patriotic moment at the end, and more as we now
start the Founder's Show, And God bless you all out there.
You are now listening to the Founder's Show, the voice

(01:14):
of the Founding Fathers, your Founding Fathers coming to you
deep within the bowels of those mystic and cryptic alligator
swamps of the Big Easy, that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana,
and high up on top of that old Liberty cypress
tree draped in Spanish. Moss is none other then you

(01:35):
spend Gary Babba way out on the Eagles Branch Chaplain
Hi McHenry with.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Christopher Tidmorey, roving reporter, resident Radical moderate and associate editor
of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And we can be more at the founder's show than
being in the place of the founders.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Hi, we are alive.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
At Francis Tavern in New York City, the place that
Washington said farewell to his sh troops. But also it's
worth remembering on April thirteenth, seventeen seventy five, he first
dined here upon arriving in New York. The New York
Legislature would meet here. Assembly would meet here, I should say,
and move for independence. And he would plan the battles

(02:18):
of New York here, including the evacuation from Long Island
Willy Brooklyn, which was America's dunkirk, into Manhattan, and and
keeping the revolutionary cause alive. People forget the revolution actually
starts in seventeen seventy five. It's only that we declare
independence in seventeen seventy six.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
We're live at.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
The Museum and it's part of our twenty five moments.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Of two hundred and fifty years of history.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
For the next twenty five weeks, we will be talking
about this incredible Sessuin Sennuel event from various patriotic locations.
And I'm proud to be coming from Francis Tavern today,
and you know, it's an incredible moment. Literally sitting on

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the third floor right now looking at the first map
of that was ever made of New York by General Gage.
There were no good maps at the time, and it
shows not only Manhattan, but Brooklyn, which is the end
of Long Island as some of you know, and Walcott Bay.
And the reason numbering at Walcott Bay is Ambrose, the

(03:25):
director of.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
The museum, and I were just chatting a second ago.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
He was telling me that, you know, Walcott Bay is
where the British prison ships were and when you were
captured as an American Revolutionary soldier, you were not treated
as a prisoner of war. You were treated as a
rebel and you were put on these prison ships and
what they would do there was a mortality of eighty
percent of being a prisoner of the British, and they

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would just throw you overboard so the bodies would wash
up in Walcott Bay. So imagine being the defenders and
watching bodies of your compatriots who were captured and surrendered
down their arms, being washed up on the shore, and
you get the psychology of what it must have been
like for Washington and is overmatched under armed, starving forces

(04:09):
in seventeen seventy six and a struggle that was going
to proceed for the next several years.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Your thoughts on, yes, Christopher man, My heart and mind
are pregnant with thoughts. What an amazing time we were
in during the American Revolution. It's so exciting. We're celebrating
the two and fiftieth year now of that great event.
And it's amazing to see how much our ancestors suffered

(04:35):
fighting for this country. I mean, it's just enormous, and
how overwhelming the odds were against us that we didn't
even begin to have a little tiny chance of winning
that war. And yet after eight years we won, and
we won resounded, I mean, with extreme, extreme success we won. So, yes, Christopher,

(04:57):
very exciting. I'm so glad you're up there doing a
we are up there. Wow, what a lucky guy you
are getting to do tours all over this country, in Canada, Mexico.
You're quite the tour man. Anyway, Thank you for bringing
this to us. It's a momentous time for America. It's
a very such an important time for us to know
our history and to see what really happened in this country,

(05:21):
the trials and tribulations, we had lessons learned. You know,
history is so important, folks. If you don't study history,
you're doomed to repeat it, as as many have said
in the past, and especially Sir Winster Churchill, who was
such such a great historian. And so we are so
blessed and excited to be researching and studying and talking

(05:45):
about the American Revolution and what was going on there
in France. His tavern, what a name, France's tavern. And
it turns out France ended up being a major ally
that gave us the advantage to really win that war.
And some of the first meetings were held ware and
franz is tavern. I take it that comes from the

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word France, which comes from the word Frank, which was
the original name of the French, the Franks. So Christopher,
let's see tell us more. Maybe you have an expert
up there that can help us with it. I know
you're always great about finding the top guys and the
real experts and get them on the show as guests.
So who might you have up there that might give

(06:29):
us some better information about all this some more information?
Thank you, Christopher waiting for the waiting for the surprise guests.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Now, and we are joined by Ambrose Richardson of the
Sons of the Revolution and the person who is more
responsible than anyone else for keeping Francis Tavern alive and
well in this along.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
With the Sons of the Revolution.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And we just had the privilege he's been giving a
tour of the museum for New York One and I
had the privilege of seeing the importance of not only
the long Gallery, but Francis top in our history. And
thank you for joining us just for a minute. But
can you talk about how important it was. I know
George Washington had one of his first meals here when
he came in seventeen seventy five, and he had his

(07:10):
farewell here. And this place not only is an incredible museum,
but it plays an unbelievable role in American history.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, it does. First of all, it's the oldest living structure.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
In Manhattan from seventeen nineteen, but during the decades about
two to three decades of the period be leading up
to and to the end of this world. I mean
the capital was here until seventeen ninety. I mean, this
was kind of the focus of activity right here. It
was the Royal Exchange was across the street, the coffee

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house was down the block. So if a meeting took
place of any importance, there's a good chance that happened here.
And when visiting dignitaries came, they were entertained here. I
mean Sam Adams and John Hancock had dinner here. I
mean Paul Revere when he came through, was entertained by
the Sons of Liberty here. And this used to be
one of the Sons of Liberty hangouts. So a number

(08:02):
of groups formed here. It was the best restaurant in town.
Samuel France's pioneered the concept of maybe order food, you know,
so that happened here. He also did had a line
of takeout that he did. So, you know, anybody that
you can think of related to the American Revolution, with
the sole exception of Benjamin Franklin, was probably here at

(08:24):
some time. You know, and we have a bust of
Alexander Hamilton there. The week before his famous duel with
Aaron Burr, he was having a celebration of the fourth
of July with the Society of the Cincinnati. He was
very jovial. Burr was grim. In the next week they
had their famous duel in New Jersey and whatnot. So

(08:47):
lots of things happened, and we're expected to happen. It's
most famous for, you know the fact that George Washington
said wealth was officers here, you know, in seventeen eighty three,
after the British fine.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Left after seven years of occupation. And you mentioned when.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
You're showing this around earlier that originally Washington was just
going to leave and you'll say goodbye, and that actually
the dinner was not something he'd planned, you know, the farewell.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Was not something he'd planned at all. The evacuation took
place on November twenty fifth. The British and their soldiers
got on the ships, but they didn't leave. They were
still in the harbor. And until they left, Washington wasn't
going to leave. Now. In fact that you know, the
British at the end their armies greatly outnumbered the American Armies.
The American Army had been disbanded in November. It wasn't around.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
They only had like five hundred people.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Nonetheless, Washington want to make sure that they finally left
nine days later, December fourth.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
They're leaving. Washington said, I'm gone.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
He was going to planning to go back to Annapolis
and resign his commission. They said, wait a minute, Wait
a minute, wait a minute, you can't go. So they
assembled his officers whatever officers they could find in the vicinity,
but it included Knox and story Band Coscrusk I was
supposedly here. Famously, Benjamin Talmadge, his spymaster, was there. Was
his memoirs that recorded this event. We have a copy,

(10:07):
of course of his memoirs because his grand son bequeathed
part of his estate to the Sons to purchase France's
Taborn and maintain it as a museum, which we have
done since nineteen oh seven.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
And the evacuation day I was fine, fascinating because the
British were going to try to make it very uncomfortable
for the Americans. Not violence, but they kind of put
a flag at the top of a.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Flagpole they greased down.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, they only greased it, but they nailed the flag
to the flagpole, which was wood, and the fellow named
John Van Arsdale managed to get a hammer and nails
in some cleats and managed to go up the flagpole
and at least finally, and this was the course, as
I say, the first time that the American flag flew
over a truly independent nation which was no longer occupied

(10:54):
by a hostile force. And of equal importance and perhaps
even more.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
George Washington at that moment is the height of his influence,
his public power.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
He could have made himself a king.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Instead, he says goodbyes to his troops and goes home
and gives up absolutely.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
It could be absolute power, ye know. He was known
no Caesar, you know, which was said to be amazing.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
That's why they compared him to his character Cincinnatus, who
went back to his farm and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
And he gave up power twice.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean that was the first time as the general
of the army and later as president. He retired and
allowed for a peaceful succession afterwards. And I think George
the third was remarked as saying, you know, if he
just goes back to his farm, he's the greatest man
in the world. I mean it was close to that.
You know, that's not the exact quote of what he
was saying. So they, I mean, in addition to the

(11:47):
fact that he held together the cause they as they said,
you know, against you know, with starving troops and uncooperative
Congress and feuding officers and hundred disease and the British
holding it together for eight years. He was willing to

(12:08):
give up power as many people are unwilling to do,
as we've seen throughout history. You know, power is a drug,
and you know, people who have it want more of
it or want to keep what they do. And he,
you know, took the long view of what the American
Republic should be.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
And you're a lateral descendant of both George Washington James Madison.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Obviously Washington had no children, but yeah, he had no children.
James Madison had no children, at least they're proven. And yeah,
James Madison is an uncle.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
I'm named after his younger brother who spent six years
fighting the British, and George Washington. I'm descended from his
aunt Mildred, who was the sister of his father. So yeah,
I mean, it doesn't make me a better person, but
it makes me certainly interested in what they did. I
feel like a generational underachiever, you know. But hey, you know,
it's fun to go back and read all the stuff

(12:58):
that they've.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Done, remember the sense of the revolution as is high
mc henry. We both thank you for the commitment that
you are overachieving by keeping this wonderful museum going with
its incredible collection of it.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
You must visit it when you come to New York.
And thank you for joining us here in the Fundy Show.
I appreciate it. Suck, Yeah, Rachel could come. I'm glad
you could be here, and wow and bro.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So that was such an enlightening brief little lecture you
gave us there on the history of France's Tavern and
the American Revolution. And we're so glad to hear that
the Sons of the Revolution have been involved with France's
Tavern and Chrisopher and I am both members of that organization.
We're glad and honored to be part of that. And

(13:41):
it's a great organization, great patriarch organization. If you have
if anybody out there has our ancestors that go back
to the American Revolution, you can be a member, and
don't count Louisiana out as we were the fourteenth Colony. Remember,
the Galvez Expedition played a major role in keeping British
from established the British from establishing a western front where

(14:01):
they can attack us from the west. They were coming
in to take the Mississippi Valley and hold it and
build up forces here, and then we would have had
a two front war, which would have been devastating to
our cause. So the Louisiana folks played a major role.
In fact, you can join the Sons of the Revolution
if you can trace an ancestor to the Galvez expedition.

(14:24):
And of course we have a big thing on that.
Here a display on that at the Cabildo in the
French Quarter, the Louisiana Museum system. And it's quite fascinating
and quite amazing to see how Galvez organized, as very
young man, organized a military expedition against the British and

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the Gulf in the Mississippi Valley, and we won. We
took them out of Pensacola, Baton Rouge, and up the river,
and it saved America from propably possibly losing the whole
thing because of the British force that's coming at them
from the west. And so if you have ancestors here,
mind where Cajun ancestors that fought in with Galvez. And

(15:08):
then also later on I found ancestors on my father's
side also who fought They were from Virginia, and we're
in the American Revolution. So you never know where you're
gonna find them, folks. And the further back you go,
the more amazing, the larger the area becomes for you,
the selection group becomes for you because with every generation

(15:28):
you double, and in fact, if you go back to
ten generations, you have about two thousand possibilities. So you
never know what you find out, folks. It's a fun
thing to do some geological research. Get ancestors dot com
and who knows who you whom you might find that
would qualify you to be And it's a great organization.
It's not expensive, we have great events we do. It's

(15:49):
a very solid and very encouraging and very patriotic organization.
So with all that said, I know we've got something
else exciting. You know, you ever think about you know
that the black folks were here right from the earliest
of days and they played major contributions in this country.
I have long lists of the great things they did,

(16:10):
and also long lists of the dynamic power of their
churches and their preachers. And remember the most dynamic and
dangerous unit in America. The British identified it. They called
it the Black Regiment, also called it the Black Robe Regiment.
And you know who that was. Those were the churches
of America. Because so many, so many of the voices

(16:35):
for independence and the lectures in the patriotic messages that
were given were given from the pulpits of the American
Church up and down the Eastern seaboard. Here in New Orleans,
in fact, we had an amazing fellow, one of Christopher's ancestors,
Joseph Villary, who wrote the Louisiana mandate, if you will

(16:58):
for our independence, And this was ten years before the
Declaration Benefitence. And some believe that Jefferson was inspired by
that document and even perhaps barred parts of our concepts
from it to put into the Declaration of Independence. So, folks,
we played a major role in the American Revolution. Never forget
that Louisiana, we were the fourteenth colony. There's a book

(17:20):
written about that, a great history story that tells that story.
So Christopher. I'd like to hear more about what the
black folks did in the American Revolution, because we know
they were here, and we know they were very brave,
and we know they did great things. So you got
any stories for us on that.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Before we leave the subject of Francis Tavern, there's a
new exhibit in the Tavern that points out that twenty
five percent of the soldiers that were at Yorktown were
of African American In other words, twenty five percent were black,
which is a part of the revolutionary story that is
not known. In fact, according to the director of the museum,

(17:57):
it actually might be higher because the origin the roles
did not include ethnic aration racial aration as we would
say today, and because of that it has often forgotten
the American Revolution was a multi racial fight for freedom.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Whites have whitewashed it.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
African Americans have forgotten it, and we forget that. December thirtieth,
seventeen seventy five, before he left New York, George Washington.
One of his first official acts was the enrollment of
black soldiers in the Continental Army. So the story of
the creation of America is not a bunch of old
white guys. It is a bunch of.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
All of us white, black, rich, poor, slave free who
went to fight for their freedom.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
America is an imperfect experiment, and we went backwards and
forwards many times in our history, but at the beginning
where we stand forth well due regardless of race, in
fighting for our freedom and in fairness. That happened with
the British as well. It was an individual fight on

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either side, but it was a fight for independence for all.
And today we try to perfect the American experiment. But
it didn't start badly. It started with George Washington's orders
to allow African Americans the army, and so a quarter

(19:33):
of the longest serving soldiers. Let's say that again, the
longest serving soldiers in the Continental Army were African Americans
because they didn't have any else place to go. And
we know a quarter from their mess because by eighteen forty,
to register for your benefits from the revolution, you had
to be alive in eighteen forty, this is quite some

(19:54):
time from seventeen eighty two, a year to be poor,
and a quarter of those registries were black. It's possible
the actual enrollment was even higher. And I think that's
a lesson that we should make of these twenty five
moments of twenty five years of history as we come
from the Francis Tavern, that all of us should remember.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, Christopher, what a very sweet and lovely story that
is about what are African American brothers of this country,
our African American brother citizens and brother soldiers now? And
I knew that I knew this story. I didn't know
all the details you just shared with us, but I
knew that there were a lot of black folks that

(20:37):
fought in the American religions. Some of them were great spies,
by the way, and worked at with George Wasson's Culpepper Ring,
which was America's first spy ring, which was the CIA
of its day and very effective. And so thank you
for sharing that with us, and all you black folks
who are listening, you need to know you're the great

(20:58):
history of your contributions to this country. We've just seen
it right here. It's true, and think of it. You'd
say Washington knew that way back then because one of
the first things he did was to make sure he
enlisted African Americans in the American Army. And so thank
y'all for all you did to help make America America,
and we're about ready to go in to a break.

(21:19):
We will be back shortly.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
At the Louisiana State Museum's Presbyteri Museum, there's an incredible
exhibit on the Illinois Clubs, one of the great exhibits
in the Carnival collection. If you've never seen the Carnival
collection on the second floor of the Presbyteri, it is incredible,
so many locals. You can see everything from a King
of England bowerying before the King of Carnival, to our
great parading traditions, to the marti gras Indians to Southwest Louisiana.

(21:47):
But the newest exhibit on the Illinois Clubs is the
Root of African American formal marti Gras. It is fantastic.
The Young Illinois Club, the Illinois Club, their roots, how
they grew, what happened, the incredible sets, including this beautiful
set from the nineteen sixty eight Young Men's Illinois Club
of the French Opera House, the costumes, the crowns, it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
You want to check it out.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
And while you're there, go to the Cabildo and check
out the new exhibit on the two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary of the Independence and Galvez and the expedition. How
Louisiana was the key to providing American independence thanks to
Bernardo the Galvez and all the wonderful patriots of Creoles
and Cajuns that took Baton Rouge Pensacola and funded all

(22:30):
of Washington's forces.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
All that available through next.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
March at the Louisiana State Museums, Cabilda and presbyter.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And folks speaking of marti Gark, kings and queens, how
would you like to be a king in the whole universe?
Where you can do that? We work very hard to
do that in our ministry. And this is Chaplanheim McHenry
and I'm the founder of an inner city ministry named
LAMB Ministries. We're an inner city ministry with an inner
city farmland focus for inner city folks. Check us out,

(23:00):
go to our website Lambanola dot com, or just call
me Chaplin High McEnery at area code five zero four
seven two three nine three six nine. Folks, you can
become a king. And you know how you do that?
Serve God. If you just serve God first, you have
to become a Christian and come to know Jesus be

(23:21):
born again, believe He died for you, sends and roads
in the dead, and that's a message with big to
our kids. We've had close to five thousand kids come
to Christ. But then after you do that, you're guaranteed heaven.
But how about going to heaven the glad way instead
of the sadway? Will you go the glad way? If
you serve God on your way to heaven and you'll
collect awards and treasures and crowns for all eternity. So

(23:44):
there's no greater crown than an eternal crown, and be
thinking about that, folks. We need all the help we get.
We need prayer warriors, we need finance support, and we
need volunteers. So again, if you have any interest, to
contact me Chaplin High mckenry at AERA code five zero
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(24:06):
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can be extremely uh challenging because we're dealing dealing with
the urban poor and the inner city, kids and the
needs are. Great there's a tremendous amount of tragedy that
we work with which we, work but we've Seen god
breakthrough with the sunlight so many, times in so many.

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a political talk, show AND i Think christopher's got some
exciting things to tell us about term limits here In.
Louisiana and the gentleman that is working so hard to

(26:45):
do that and so without for this Is christopher Tid.
Moore of, Course i'm chapel. Him mcinry and you are
listening to The Founders. Show christopher take it.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Away, well we do have to talk a little bit
of politics on the.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Show but, interestingly one of those political issues before The Louisiana,
legislature hearkens back To George washington's willingness to give up
power when he left not only the army but the.
Presidency he limited himself to two terms and then has
sort of been the example of a chief executive ever.
Since well here In, louisiana, well we do have a

(27:16):
two term. Limit it is not absolute to set out
four years and come, back and two.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Governors have done, that and one of our.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Favorite state representative Of State Representative Michael, bayam has been
trying to change this. Practice he brought it up before
louis And house Of. Representatives he needed seventy votes for
a constitutional. Amendment he got sixty seven and Two democrats
and One. Republican you know it were the margin of that,
vote and One republican opposed the. Idea there Are democrats

(27:48):
who oppose up on political. Grounds John Bell edwards is
their best chance to get another governor. Elected but this
is sort of a non partisan. Issue it could be
A republican who founds. This there are a lot Of
republicans who are uncomfortable with putting an absolute. Restriction BUT
i think in this time of two hundred and fifty,
years it's worth Remembering George washington said there's a time
to govern and then there's a time to go. Home

(28:09):
and we're going to be joined high By State Representative
Michael bayhamir courted the comments for us to talk about
why he thinks this is.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Important, hi this Is State Representative Mike Bayham tomorrow On,
WEDNESDAY i will be bringing out the constitutional term limit
bill on. Governor, currently governors can run for numerous, terms
not just a.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Two it's only two.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
Consecutive after they sit out a, term they could run.
Again we've had two governors serve more than two terms In.
Louisiana i'm standing in front of a portchard of an obscure,
governor but kind of relevant for What i'm bringing this bill.
Up his name Is richard Lesh he was the governor
that Was HUEY. P long's real successor in running The

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long machine In. Louisiana, now his big distinction is that
he is our first governor to be sent to federal.
Prison The Louisiana hayriot scandals consumed a lot of the
political leadership Of louisiana in the late, thirties And governor
Lesh year was one of the most prominent people taken

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down as part of the. Scandals the goal of this
bill is not just to create opportunities for new perspectives
and new people to lead our, state which to be
broling on as we have full zero point six Million,
louisianians so we certainly have enough talent in this. State
the goal is to change to political culture that has

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really affected our reputation and given has given a lot
of businesses looking to expand in our state a little
bit of pause on whether they feel that they will
be treated fairly in this. State so this is about
changing the political culture and not just limiting a governor to,
lifetime just like we do on the national level for.

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President so if you have friends in the, legislature reach
out to, him let him know about the bill coming.
Up it's a house built two two five and it
will be brought up tomorrow afternoon on the house.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Floor thanks, well, folks that's house built two two five
and it's a worthy. Bill christopher AND i am. Backing
and of, course and in the interest of full, DISCLOSURE
i must tell you that my parents were good friends
with The. Lessons they. Lived they had a house over
in The, Combe louisiana on the North, shore and my
father lived there head home on The, bayou and they

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were socially. Connected they you, know went to parties together
and all. That and when he was indicted for, that
all of his friends dropped. Him he was, Morked but
my parents remained as his friend and his wife's, friend
AND i got to know, them especially his wife years,
later as she was a lovely. Person and then just
Recently i've gotten to know his, son who's had a

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wonderful career in law here In New orleans And louisiana
and a fine, man raised a good. Family he's about my.
Age i'm in my mid, seventies and so. WAS i
kind of always felt good that my parents remain. Friends
they weren't just fair with their. Friends they didn't support
what the wrong things he had, done of course, not

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but they turned the OTHER i, mean you, know they
were willing to forgive and forget and be a real.
Friend SO u you know just That i'm connected to this, story,
folks although we. Didn't we weren't part of the corruption.
Anyway so let's, see we got some more things to
talk about. It but by the, way this is a
very important issue because we have a problem in our

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in Our america, today and that's too many politicians and
quote public servants bureaucrats have taken on the mantle of,
dictatorship and they're ruthless and they think they can run
over so anywhere they want. TO i, mean that's why
we thought The Merry. Revolution and it's almost always is
greed and power less behind what they're. Doing it's a

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very destructive, thing a very dangerous, thing and it needs
to be, corrected. Folks it needs to be. Corrected you.
Know the problem with bureaucracies are, this And i'm very
serious about. That whether they're in the corporate world or,
government private or public. Bureaucracies once they get, going they
will fail if they, succeed but they will succeed if they.

(32:31):
Fail now what does that. Mean that's a strange way
of saying it. Didn't, well let me explain it to.
You when bureaucracies get, going they want to keep going
because it means, jobs it means a good, income it means,
promotions it means all kinds of good things for the,
bureaucrats and they're. Given you, know you create bureaucracies to fix,
things to solve, problems to manage. Things, well if they

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do a great job of, it then problems solved and
you really don't need them. Anymore and so what happens
the bureaucracy is cut down to a skeletal. Crew maybe
they just eliminate the bureaucracy and there go the, jobs
there goes the. Career so what do bureaucrats. Do they're
constantly figuring out ways to delay, things to break, things

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to make things, fail push, back you name. It they
don't know all the, tricks the blame. Game they got
it all, down their masters at. It and so that
at the end of the, year things oh, Oh we
tried so, hard but it just didn't. Work we need more.
Help we need more, Money we need more, Jobs we
need more bureaucrats because the more people they, hire the
faster the ones that are already in get. Promoted they

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know that, game and, so, folks it ends up being
a very deadly. Game it ends up being very non.
Productive it ends up creating more. Problem we already have enough.
Problems do we need to make. More i'll give you
an example my first experience THAT i just joined the.
MILITARY i was a medic and we were given the
task of cleaning out the mets, shed putting everything in.
Order and so we cleaned everything, out and we were

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doing something. STRANGE i couldn't understand. It we were carrying
boxes to the deuce and a, half loading up this
big old truck with all kinds of boxes of unopened
boxes of brand new office, supplies office, equipment, furniture. Whatever
all of that was being hauled to the deuce and a,
half AND i, thought what are they? Doing, well it
turned out we took the deuce and a half over

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to the dump and we dumped everything and left. IT
i was. SHOCKED i asked the, SECTION i, said this
is really good, equipment good. Thing why are we throwing
away he, Says, hi Or sergeant Make, INNERY i mean
sometimes for a univers Nay basis in A sf UNIT
Us Sony Special. Forces he, Said. Hi he, said if
we don't do, this they're going to cut our budget next. Year.

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BINGO i finally GOT i could see what was going,
on and THEN i, said, well sergeant, them you mind
IF i come back and get some of this good.
Stuff he, says if you touched any of, this you
go to. Jail. Folks this is a pathetic. System now
that was on a very small bottom of the a,
heat you, know, situation but this goes on with huge.

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Operations AND i saw it In afghanistan again and even
became a whistle blower, unwittingly and they really went after
me for. That AND i. DIDN'T i wasn't trying to
be a whistle. Blower it's just WHAT i reported and
what you, know because WHAT i knew was. HAPPENING i
wasn't trying to turn anybody, in wasn't trying to get
anybody in, trouble just trying to fix an issue and
they didn't want that issue. Fixed so this is a

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very dangerous, situation a very bad, situation and good people
get hurt by. It So i'm all for anything we
can do to limit the power of our leadership so
they can begin to relearn that they are actually public,
servants not public. Tyrants they're here to serve. Us so
get at, it politicians and bureaucrats and learn how to

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be humble. Servants thank, You. Christoph i'm glad we got
this story, out and so it is no time for
us to another. Topic another. Topic, well, yeah you, know education's, important,
folks and we need to revamp our education system here In.
Louisiana mississippi's just taking airs to the. Top it's amazing miracle.

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Story why can't we do. That we can do What mississippi.
Did it's really important that we develop a very strong
educational program for the people Of. Louisiana AND i Thank
Christopher you've got some good information on. That so take it,
Away chris.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
H another element of the legislature is that there's a
big debate going on Between Senate President Cameron henry And
Governor Jeff landry over what's called The Alligator. Program, now
for those that don't, Know Lle gator is the private
school voucher, program and there was a massive rally Of

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catholic And christian school students that came to rally in
favor of fully Funding La. Gator the government wishes to
fund the voucher program so that Any louisianian who makes
into the seventy five thousand dollars range will be able
to receive school vouchers for a buried, couple and it

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gives a private school education possibilities to literally somewhere around
seventy five percent of The louisiana population right, now next
year's program is, funded so you really couldn't do more
than those that are already in the program a very
limited amount of. Students, now part of the Reason Speaker

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Senate President henry has been against us is.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Because of the fiscal.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Note it's hugely expensive to the tune of hundreds of
millions of, dollars and how do you pay for. It it's
a legitimate concern for a lot of these kids who's
access to a good education is a you, know is
going to a private, school A catholic or A christian.
School there is now other critics have, said you, know

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sometimes the test scores these kids have not been as
high as kids who've gone in the conventional private school.
System AND i think there's a legitimate argument that if
fifty percent of the kids in a private or parochial
school receives school, vouchers that the school should.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Have to test all the kids in the.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
School that essentially you're because in some cases there's ninety
percent of kids right, now it's only the kids who receive.
Vouchers in some, schools it's not a big, deal but
in others there is sort of a pick and, choose
and ultimately there is reform that some of the absolutists
and vouchers should look at for the sake of whether

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the schools are educating right. Now for schools not educating a,
kid if it fails with the majority of the, kids
then it simply does get any more vouchers after those.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Kids have graduated high. School that's a legitimate.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Criticism but, otherwise for most kids going to really a parochial,
school we're talking about schools mostly that are half empty
and looking for students to stay alive and doing a
good job historically.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Educating this is a.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Major financial, issue but it's a question of Wins louisianian
is willing to pay more in taxes than educating our.
Kids and it's one of those issues that has Petted
republican Against republican or in this Case Cameron henry Against
Governor Chef. Flandry your thoughts, high, yes.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Of, course FOR i have a lot of. Thoughts you,
know we work with inner city kids here and we
deal a lot with their educational systems and programs and whatnot,
schools and there needs to be a major. Overhaul AND
i like the idea of giving people vouchers so they
can afford them to go to a finer, school let's,
say and it opens up the door maybe for competition
where the public schools better better get their act, together

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especially the charter, schools which are dismal failure in so
many ways. Now AND i don't have time to go
into all that right, now but they've really mismanaged. Things
and STILL i think they've just flat out stolen a
lot of money and they made a mess of the whole.
Thing although there are a few good charter, schools there,
are and the concept is. GREAT i love the, concept
but none if it's going to be, Corrupted and so

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we need to have a major overhaul on our whole educational,
program AND i was glad to hear about how a
lot Of catholic schools would go with. This AND i
am the product of a Good catholic school. EDUCATION i
went To Saint stantusaus and believe, me it was, fantastic
some of the best school YEARS i ever had in my,
life AND i learned a ton of stuff WENT i
was at the top of the, class And National Art

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society were highest, SATs you name. IT i just it
gave me a remarkable education and great, discipline great. Everything
So i'm all For catholic. Education in, FACT i believe
The catholic, programs The catholic schools are some of the,
finest maybe the finest in the. World it's amazing What
catholic schools have accomplished throughout the. Centuries so we need

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to do something. Here AND i certainly don't want to raise,
taxes certainly don't want to put a heavy burden on
the on the system already on our budgets, already but
we really need to do, something AND i think this
is a great. Idea So, christopher we just need to
see how this could be worked out where it's a
win win for. Everybody and you know we need, Here

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we need, prayer just like our finding. Follows we're in
a between a rock and hard place on this and
we need to. Pray, Americans pray for your, Schools pray
for Your louisiana, schools because, boy we need we need
an upgrade big. Time AND i like this, Program, christopher
thank you so, far so very much to bring it to. Us, well,
folks about time for us to take another break and

(41:35):
we will be back with a chaplain by patriotic moment
and and the rest of. It and so hang on
to your. Seats it's just a brief commercial. Break we'll
be right.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
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these are the action steps we at The New Orleans
mission take to make a positive impact on the homeless
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in twenty, twenty homelessness in our community increased by over forty.
Percent we are committed to meet this need through the
work being done at The New Orleans. Mission we begin
the rescue process by going out into the community every
day to bring, food, pray and share the love Of

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jesus with the hopeless and hurting in our. Community through
the process of, recovery these individuals have the opportunity to
take time, out assess their, life and begin to make
new decisions to live out Their god given. Purpose after
the healing process has begun and lives are back on,
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Eight got Os god the two.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Shoes, Folks we're back and you were listening to The.
Founders so the voice of The founding fathers and this
is none other Than New York chaplain Hih. McHenry and
it's not time for us to go into our chaplain
by by patriotic. Moment we just take a brief moment
to remind you of The biblical foundations for our, country
Our Judeo christian. Jurisprudence and today we'd like to talk
about religious duties in The American army doing The American,

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revolution the seventeen seventy six spiritual condition of the. Soldier
this is coming from orders from THE uh The book Of,
duties The Orderly BOOK uh and AND i, quote the
commanding officers of each camp are strictly ordered to see
that they they're men that are off, duty attend divine

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services On, sunday turn out to prayers night and, morning
and see that there be solemn religious responsibilities and hymns
sung by the men in or about the barracks in prayer. Times,
FOLKS i think they thought it was pretty important to
Keep god in the, military. Huh, like let's say there's

(44:38):
no such thing as an atheist in a foxhol, and,
boy that is so. TRUE i experienced that In. Afghanistan
before we go out on a combat, mission we'd have
after our combat, BRIEF i would call everybody to. Prayer
who are you, know? Voluntary whoever wanted to, COME i
mean everybody. Came some of the, toughest most, wildest barroom
brawling marines were. There The afghan soldiers, Came muslims came

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for this. Prayer we all got together and our prayer
before we went. Out and you, KNOW i find out
that just a few years ago That afghanistan has the
second largest growing church in the world. Today that is,
astounding And i'm wondering now MAYBE i contributed a little
bit to, THAT i. Hope so, anyway, folks certainly in
the revolutionary, period the leaders of our country realized the

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importance of Keeping god in the middle of their operations
and what they were doing in the middle of, government
and hence we had the. Victory so enough said about
the religious duties of our soldiers doing The American, Revolution
but what about your religious? Duties have you attended to?
Them And i'm talking about the most important duties you can,
have and that is obedience to The. Gospel you, know

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the scripture says The gospel is the power Of god
and the salvation to whosoever Believeth as we now go
into our chapelain by by gospel, moment where AGAIN i
just take a brief time to show you how you
can know. That you know, that you know when you,
die you're going To. Heaven we're all going to cross
over to that other side one, day and we're going
one way or the. Other you're either going to heaven

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or you going to. Hell there are no second chances after.
That you get a, thousand you may get it over
a thousand second chances on this. Earth god really wants
you to go in. Heaven The bible, Says god is long,
suffering not willing that any should, perish but that all
should come to. Repentance he suffers long for your, eternity
for you to be with him in heaven. Forever his

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love does, that. Folks the scripture, Says god so love the.
World he's got great love for, this that for, us
for his, creation and he wants you to be with him.
Forever but he's not going to force. You you get to
make the. Choice he's going to offer. It he's gonna
plead with. You he's going to do everything he can
to get you to hear and listen so you can
go to. Heaven but if you, rejected it's on, you

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and you'll never be able to Say god didn't do
enough to show. Me, uhh that won't. Work he's suffering
long for, you the scripture says. So in The, bible
says the grace Of, god which brings salvation hath appeared
into all. People it means everybody Gets god's, grace which
is what Reveals god and his love for. Us and
the scripture says the word of faith that's gone to

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the whole. World it means everybody gets. Faith and because
that's what it. Takes we've been saved by. Grace that
means free. Gift we've been saved by grace through. Faith
that means Trusting god with childlike, faith really believing what
he says is. True we've been saved by grace through.
Faith and even that is not of. Ourselves it is
a gift Of, god not of, works lest any man should.

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Boast you, see our works can never get us to.
Heaven and so the way we handle that is we.
Repent repentance means you quit trusting in, Yourself you quit
trusting in whatever good works you think you can. Do
you give up on the idea of turning from your,
sins or repenting of your, sins or cleaning up your,
life or doing special prayers or paying doing pen so

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you can come up with all kinds of. Stuff all
that is poppy cock To, god and it doesn't. Help
it prevents you from knowing and understanding the full love
and grace Of, god the mercy Of. God so give
up on. It let go and Let. God and when
you give up on, it you've just. Repented when you
Say i'm hopeless and help Us Without, god that's end
up burning. Hell and there's absolutely no act of righteousness

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or any religious work or whatever THAT i can. Do
no matter how much MONEY i, give or how many
gospel TRACKS i hang, out OR i mean this, that or,
whatever singing in the, choir whatever it, is how many
TIMES i go to, church none of that's going to
get you into. Heaven so forget. It you're wasting your.
Time just put childlike faith In. Christ that he did
die for all of your, sins was buried and, Rose
and that is the gospel according to. Scripture FOR i

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declare to you the gospel That jesus died for all
of our, sins according to the, scripture was buried and
rose in the, dead according to the. Scripture that is the.
Gospel and the scripture, says AS i said, earlier the
gospel is the power Of god under. Salvation do that right,
Now believe right, now with all your, heart you can save.
Yourself so you're free to put faith alone In. Christ.
Alone you're free to believe that Only he, did that he,

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can and that he will save you from a burning
hell and guarantee you everlasting. Life because you have trusted In,
jesus you believe That he did die for all your
sins and rose from the. Dead, folks go To jesus right,
Now god The. Son trust. Him believe that he's your
creator and he's the one who. Redeemed you trust him

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right now with all of your. Heart and when you,
do you're going To you're Guaranteed heaven when you. Die, well,
folks now it's time for us to go into our testimony,
time or we just take a brief moment to tell
you a wonderful story about some, person, man, woman, whatever
who lived sometime on Planet, earth whether it's all the
way back to the days Of noah Or adam And

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eve or, whomever, folks all the way up to current.
Times and today we're going to follow up on a
fellow who's one of my favorite people in church. History
he was a Great preacher's name Was John, wesley and
he is one of the founders of The methodist, movement
which later became The Methodist. Church he was good brothers
With George. Whitfield we talked about him, earlier and he

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became part of what was known as The Great, awakening
where he his Brother Charles, Wesley George whitfield then And
Jonathan edwards went up and. Down Jonathan edwards didn't travel,
much but he still played a major role in The Great.
Awakening remember he preached that famous Some centers in The
hands of An Angry. God all high school students of

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my generation read that in Our American literature. Book he
was considered to be one of the most powerful influential
people In america by great. Historians for several hundred years,
now he's been listed as one of the most top
ten influential people In. America but the ones who really
were doing the great movements up and down The Eastern,

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seaboard gathering ten twenty thirty thousand people to hear his The,
gospel to hear the message of salvation and brother back,
then when they gave you so many went on for
one to three. Hours they were not giving you a little.
Bit they were giving you heavy duty doses of The
word Of. God and it created A Great revival In

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america where thousands of people got, saved And John wesley
had a major role to do with, that that is his.
Testimony he got involved with The. Moravians he played a
major role with, them who were this wonderful little group
out Of, Germany Count zisendorf who gathered together people from
all different, Faiths, Catholics, protestants whatever, orthodoxy gathered them all

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together on his place and they started a revival movement.
There they'd started in their chapel where they went in
for a prayer. Meeting you know how long that prayer meeting?
Lasted one hundred? Years can you imagine? That one hundred.
Years but they introduced missions to The Protestant, church and
they played a major role in The Great. Awakening But
John wesley was one of the major, players and he

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had a, long long. Life George whitfield is one who
pulled him out of his proper, behavior let's, say in
the church's formal proper, behavior and got him out into
the highways and the, byways the, fields preaching to large
groups of people on the outside, preaching and he turned
out he was remarkably gifted for. It along with his

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Brother Charles. Wesley, well, folks that kind of brings us
to our conclusion of this. Show i'm so glad to
share this with you About John wesley and the power
of your. Testimony the scripture says by the blood of The,
lamb that means a. Gospel by the blood of The
lamb and the word of their, testimony they overcame the,
dragon they beat the. Devil, so, folks your testimony is critically.

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Important what is your testimony to your story about What
god did with you and what you're doing With. God
that's your, testimony and everybody's got.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
One it might be a little tiny, one it might
be a big one once you make you as a
big one by really Following, god selling out to him
and getting those crowns and rewards That god has for
you for eternity because he has served him well on this.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Earth, now that won't get you into. Heaven better bring
heaven down to you and it gives you eternal. Rewards
the only way to get into. Heaven it's not because
how hard you, work but realizing How god Hard god
worked on the cross When jesus died for your sins
and rows in the. Dead, well, folks it's not time
for us. Closed it's closer the Mind Saint martin singing
a creole, goodbye And god bless all.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Of it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
To call you weel.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Goodbye they think we just wasted.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
The time.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
All, Three, sibley there's time for a real. Goodbye