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November 27, 2024 • 54 mins
Join Hy McHenry and Christopher Tidmore on this week's edition of The Founders Show as they review the recently concluded Louisiana Tax Reform special session, talk about proposed "Day 1" tariffs from President-elect Donald Trump, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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(00:28):
Corruption and dysfunction. It's gone a day. Divide it divention.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
The twenty twenty four Louisiana Legislative session came to an
end over a week ago, But ladies and gentlemen, it
may only be the past being prologued for the same
issues coming up in the twenty twenty five regular fiscal session.
We'll talk about that and the vote that's going you're
gonna have not just on December seventh, but actually again
on March twentieth, because this is Louisiana and we have

(00:56):
a vote every two or three weeks. We're also going
to talk about the beginning first day of the Trump administration.
Who's going to be there, But more importantly, will there
be twenty percent tariffs on on Canada and Mexico. And
we're going to talk a little bit further foo about Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Is this war finally coming to a conclusion, or is
this the first step to a much bigger war, all
wo War three, World War or three, maybe all this
in war on this edition of The Founder's Show.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
And God bless you all out there. You are now
listening to the Founder's Show, the voice of the Founding Fathers.
You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big Easy,
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(01:44):
Spanish moss way out on the Eagles Branch, is none
other then you have been Gary Babbao, the Republic Chaplain,
Hi mceinry.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
W Christopher Timurey, roving reporter, resident radical moderate and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
Before we get into Ukraine and Trump, we got to
look closer to home.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Now, Yeah, what's happening here?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Last week's show, we pointed out taxes. Tax We pointed
out the final deal raised the state sales tax from
the extra It was the temporary tax when you always
put the air you know, quotations around temporary point four
to five percent tax. It's been in power for the
last eight years. That temporary tax was due to expire.

(02:26):
The legislature decided not only to renew that temporary tax,
but raise it up to a penny because HB nine
House Bill nine that would have put sales taxes on
a whole bunch of items, including on the boats that
people store near the water, not a popular idea in
the Katiana and Cajun country anywhere near coastal Louisiana. The
name Landry was being cursed there for a few minutes.

(02:48):
That was all put aside. They raised the sales tax,
but in order to do that, they couldn't raise as
much money. So well, the income tax starting next year
will be cut down from four and a half percent
at a top rate to three percent, and we will
see increases in the standard deduction for most people. The
corporate income tax is going to fall from seven and

(03:09):
a half percent to five and a half percent. Now
you're like, well, that's still a pretty big cut. I mean,
and by the way, the film tax credits survived, and
we'll also talk about the fact that the live performance
and digital tax credits won't even touch and that was
one of the parts of the deal. We were actually
going to mention in a second. But the fact of
the matter is the tax cut well substantial. It's actually

(03:32):
the biggest income tax cut in Louisiana history. So let's
give Jeff Landry credit.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
What credits do?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is a massive tax cut. It's still less than
he wanted. And here's why. Well, he got the income
tax he wanted. He wants the corporate tax not to
be at five point five percent, but at three point
five percent. What's the big deal? Why about that? Well,
it's simple. Five point five percent is the corporate income
tax in Florida. Five percent is the corporate income tax

(03:59):
in Georgia, five percent is the corporate income tax in Kentucky.
You're getting the idea in Jeff Landry's original proposal was
that he wanted to lower taxes enough in Louisiana. So
Louisiana is in the top eight according to the tax
competitive tables of the American Tax Foundation. You go to
tax Foundation dot org and you can read all this stuff. Instead,

(04:22):
by only cutting the corporate tax to five point five
percent and not being able to get rid of the
tax and machinery and equipment which was also part of
the original proposal. Jeff Landry has brought Louisiana only up
to twenty sixth in the country now, having said before
the tax reform, considering that we were ranked fortieth in
the United States, twenty six is a pretty big rise.

(04:45):
But Jeff Landry has some very serious ambitions and they
involve the words oval office amongst them. Because remember Donald
Trump only has one term. He can only run for
one more term. It's constitution term limited. And Jeff Landry
thinks he's got a better shot at getting there than jd.
Vance does if he can show that he really turned

(05:06):
Louisiana around. So he's very much looking for running for
president in four years. I'm not making this up, folks.
This is he was looking either way. And so he
needs to show that Louisiana has propelled itself economically from
the top of the bottom of the cream of the
craft to all the way to the top of the list.
And to do that he needs to cut the corporate
income tax. Well, there's not a lot of low hanging fruit.

(05:29):
He can't, for example, get rid of the film tax credits.
They came to a deal. Film tax credits have been
cut from one hundred and fifty million a year to
one hundred and twenty five million. And more importantly, the
tax credits don't roll over to the next year if
they're not used, which is something that's going to have
a chilling effect in our film industry. But cutting twenty
five million from the tax credits was a major major

(05:50):
accomplishment or detriment, depending upon your point of view for
the Landry administration. There's no way he wants to go
back into that fight. Period. He doesn't want it. He
had a major fight with developers over the historic Restoration
tax credit, which got cut from over one hundred and
fifty million to eighty five million, and so he doesn't
want to go back in that fight. So he doesn't

(06:11):
have those to go through. His only choice is to
bring back those sales taxes in HB nine. Now, I'm
not going to reread the forty seven sales taxes. We
did that on a previous show. Suffice to say, basically,
almost anything that could have a sales or use tax,
they would apply it. And that's what he wants. And
we're here on the Founder's Show. We're talking to senior

(06:33):
legislative sources. They've been calling us about it, and it
says Jeff is not finished with HB nine. He wants
to bring back many of those sales taxes. Maybe not
the sales taxes on boats that didn't go overwhill, but
some of the other sales taxes. Put them on and
see if he can cut the corporate income tax down
to three point five percent, which would give Louisiana one

(06:54):
of the lowest corporate income taxes in the country. Not
the lowest, but we would be literally one of the
low in the nation, and we'd be number eight in competitiveness,
or at least in the top ten in competitivesness in
the United States. That's a heck of a message to
go from forty to ten. However, the devil, like everything else,
is in the details. Part of the reason you didn't
get the sales taxes and all these items is not

(07:16):
just because the legislators were feeling generous. Most of the
items that they want to put sales taxes in have
an inadvertent ability to raise your insurance rates. You heard
me correctly, And in Louisiana, when people can barely afford
their insurance now and right now, people are quite literally
beyond the beyond the levees losing their houses because their

(07:39):
insurance rates are going up to one hundred thousand and
for people who live hein and I both live in
the Uptown area of New Orleans. I know of at
least three friends of mine who have paid for their
house who cannot afford their house anymore because their insurance
rates would be twice as much what an average mortgage
would be. This is not a minor issue, insane, And

(08:00):
so Jeff Landry wants to do this, or at least
that's the plan coming out because he wants to cut
the corporate income tax. And look, it's a laudable goal,
but this is a lot of legislators are like, no,
I mean, we'll do a lot of things for the
governor and something you don't know how. On the day
of the vote on Friday, and the previous Friday a
week ago, there were the legislators already were this idea

(08:21):
of this tax swap to have higher sales taxes for
lower income taxes was so unpopular with so many legislators.
They didn't want to defy the governor because the governor
freely told him. He says, I'll just eliminate like healthcare
I'll just I want this so badly that they said,
we're just not going to show up and vote for it.
And in Louisiana, when you don't show up to vote

(08:41):
for something, it's automatically counted as a no. It's not
an absentee, it's just no. That they said, win, it's
not going to come. Jeff Landry sent the Louisiana State
Police to round up legislators and threaten them. I'm not
making this up. Well, several legislators they ended up. Everybody
ended up coming there. Basically, we're told, very bluntly, you

(09:03):
either drive here to the to the legislature and vote,
and the less than subtle way was vote my way, right,
or I'm going to have the police drag you here
in shackles, which he's constitutionally allowed to do, wow in
order to vote and.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Mission men should have got that p ro head on
into a swamp. That's right past Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
And I mean this was this was this was going
on the last day of the legislative session, and so
everybody shut up in the Senate. People were scared. The
entire Democratic caucus voted for it along with the Republicans,
except for one person royster Pless's who we have an
invitation to come on the radio show and talk about this,
because he basically said, look, he actually I was kind
of defense that he didn't agree with the corporate and
his argument was, fine, cut the personal income tax rate,

(09:50):
leave the corporate income tax rate where it is, don't
increase sales taxes. This he thought that was a very
bad idea. I can see both sides of this argument,
but he was like, I'm elected some pretty poor people
trying to increase sales taxes by a penny. That has
a real impact on people's lives. And you know, I
don't mean to sound left wing, but you don't have
to beat somebody by raising sales taxes for a penny. Basically,

(10:13):
no one who makes less than fifty sixty thousand dollars
and this will see a tax cut. In fact, the
poorest Louisianians will see their taxes go up rather substantially
by Jeff Landry, Will this make the state far more competitive? Yes,
And when you have two states around you, Texas and
Florida that have no income tax, that's a pretty important thing.

(10:34):
So I'm trying to look at this balanced. But I've
got to tell you that, and look, I give Jeff
Landry your credit. The maths even out this is not
a Bobby Jindall situation. He brought in has meant much
in tax increases as he took away a tax decreases,
and so Louisiana is not going to face a massive deficit,
which we were before this whole situation started. We're in
a pretty good fiscal situation. But I got to tell

(10:58):
ladies and gentlemen, this is one of those things that
I'm just shaking my head and like a lot of
people are pretty mad at Jeff Landry. He took all
of his political skills to come back at the regular
fiscal session which starts in April, and say I'm going
to bring back these sales taxes that could raise insurance.
Might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. But

(11:20):
of course everybody in this audience knows we got an
election coming up in December seventh. Virtually nothing's on the ballot.
There's one school board race in New Orleans. There's one
property tax in Jefferson. The school board race New Orleans
is between two people who are talking about essentially trying
to outdo each other on undoing charter schools. Doc Jones

(11:42):
is the one who's got more support. But the property
tax election in Jefferson is kind of interesting for those
that don't know, Jefferson Parish is putting a ten mill
property tax. Now, that's not an insignificant amount of money.
Ten mills is not a huge amount, but basically for
a person to own a two hundred thousand dollars home,

(12:03):
that's an extra thirty forty bucks a month, significant amount
of months an money. It's to raise all teacher pay
in Jefferson Parish to sixty thousand dollars a year basic pay,
to raise support workers by another thousand, and the idea
is that teach Jefferson, which has one of the largest

(12:23):
school compliments in the whole country forty four thousand kids,
some say forty eight, but about forty four, is losing teachers. Basically,
it's losing five percent of its teachers each year. It's
actually four point five to three percent. And they they say,
if we don't raise teacher pay up to sixty thousand dollars,
we're going to lose more and more teachers and we're
not going to be able to educate. So that's an

(12:44):
interesting question. Jefferson has one of the more competitive property
tax rates in the state, one of the lowest. Do
you think most people are going to pay an extra
you know, thirty or forty bucks a month, which is
not small it's a streaming video service. That's a whole
lot of things in order to get teacher pay in
the public system. In a parish where in the East

(13:06):
Bank at least forty five percent of the population and
I would venture to say sixty percent of the voters
send their kids to private or parochial schools. Now that's
not true. In the West Bank, West Bank, it's overwhelming
they send their kids to public schools. But would you
pay for that? I mean, would you?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
High? Would you?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
How do you vote in school millage taxes? Because you're
an interesting position, Well, you went to private schools and
a lot of your friends and family, did you also
have kids that are in the public schools? So we
care for this and you, so how would you would
you vote to put an extra forty bucks a month
on you? Thirty bucks a month on you to raise
teacher pay to something more competitive.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
It doesn't we need we do need higher teacher pay,
there's no question about it. Us Our teachers are underpaid,
and that's not right.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
That's but would you but I'm asked you sort of
would you would you pay? Would you would you vote
to tax yourself an extra thirty or forty dollars a
month to people?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yes, you would, Yeah, because I think it would raise education. Yeah,
and that's what you want to be against. Is it
worth it thirty forty dollars a month?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I mean since the.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Per households that's attainable, that's not a crushing blow.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
My dad and I had this argument about it, and
he said absolutely not. And his argument was my late
father not because he was generous. I watched him do
it for taxes at times. He thought there were some
taxes that were really good.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
His argument was Louisiana school it's sort of a catch
twenty two. Louisiana schools are not good enough. So I
had I sent you to private school, and I would have,
and any parent would have to send their kids to
private parochial school. So I don't want to pay extra
property taxes when I'm already being taxed quote unquote for
sending my kids to private school. And I get that argument,

(14:42):
but it becomes a no win scenario because it just
becomes a cycle after a while, and you got to
invest in schools. It's the one thing that has But
I'll tell you a lot of it. We're in conservative
talk radio. We just basically endorsed a tax on a
Fox News station. This is great. People are looking yes,
it's like they're crazy. The reason why this is interesting

(15:03):
to me is because let's get back to jeff Landry
for a second high and for those that are joining
us who're listening to the Foundery show of Himick Henry
Christopher Timore, we're talking the aftermath of both the legislative
session and the fact that we have the elections coming up,
and I mean elections plural. December seventh, we have this
election for that millage and Jefferson. But guess what's also
happening March twenty ninth. We have a constitutional amendment on

(15:25):
the ballot. Because this is Louisiana, we have to have that.
They just passed. It has nothing to do with any
of the tax stuff we've talked about. It has all
of these elements and the first one is to allow
the state to use the Rainy Day Fund to pay
off two billion dollars in debt that will then this
is for the teacher retirement Fund, who fully fund the

(15:45):
teacher retime Fund, so that parishes can then turn around
and use the money that they were paying in the
teacher retirement fund to pay teachers two thousand dollars more
a month. Now, that's one of several provisions in one
Constitution amendment that includes doubling the retiree deduction and income taxes.
So there's several different things. It's a very complicated bill,

(16:06):
but that's to raise teacher Well, it's actually keep teachers.
They were granted a one time two thousand dollars pay
raise the last year to John Bell Edwards administration, and
one of Landry's priorities has to keep that. He is
the son, if I'm not mistaken of a teacher, and
so he's like, we got to pay him. So the
question is whether that's going to pass. That's in March,

(16:27):
when about five, you know, five people will be turning
out in the middle of Marti garand and go pay.
Actually that's near Easter, but same difference. The point being
that we have all of this stuff on the ballot
and nobody's really paying attention any of it. I don't know.
We've come out of this legislative session knowing that we're

(16:48):
going to be fighting some of these same battles in
the fiscal session, and yet at the same time we
have these elections that seem to revisit the same issues
over and over. I will ask one last PostScript to
the legis session that almost nobody has covered. But because
we're here in the Founder show, we cover things that
you do not get anywhere else.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Folks, we do it, funk, we do it, do it.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
And that is the fact that there were two pieces.
There were two incentive tax credits that were actually in
the original legislation that were removed. The part of the
reason the film tax credit was being addressed is all
the incentive arts tax credits were sunsetting in July. That
means that their ten year authorization terms were going away,

(17:30):
and they had to be right. We authorized well. Originally
that included what's called the theatrical Live performance tax credit
and the digital tax credit. So theatrical live performance is
exactly what he says. Productions of over one hundred thousand
dollars receive a seven percent tax credit. Productions of over
three hundred thousand dollars receive a fourteen percent tax credit,

(17:52):
and it's capped at ten million dollars. Why is this
important because this supports local live productions, not just theatrical productions,
not just operatic productions, but productions that ever come. But
more importantly, it tects that below the line services. And
let me offer a small, very personal example. In all
of this, we have something called the Hawkins Scene Shop,

(18:17):
the Hawkins Seen Shop. The opera essentially owns, but we
work in conjunction provide sets for productions thirty two to
thirty five productions per year in twenty seven states and
three Canadian provinces. It supports a staff of twenty carpenter's artists,
and it is that all are paid union scale wages,

(18:39):
many of whom who've had our sons, grandsons and great
grandsons of people who've been designing sets for shows since
almost the French opera house who have been involved in
this business. These are highly paid, skilled craftsmen in an
industry that doesn't work, and we support them. So we
get maybe half a million dollars to a million dollars

(19:03):
and a half a million dollars in tax credits per
year and out of that we support an industry that
essentially makes a profit, you know, but also supports the
jobs of twenty skilled crafts. People now think about what
the tax implications of that are. It pays for itself
ultimately and very quickly in each of the productions, and
it makes Louisiana a below the line place.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So when people ask, well, why do you care about
you know, these productions for the opera or this, because
it actually supports a lot of people that will never
stand on stage and sing or in other productions.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
And so these these live productions connecting industries. Man, are
all these parades exactly the same situation and they and
many of these people work in those industries. So a
lot of the people that will come out and do
theatrical stuff, they work on floats, they work in other
artistic projects. If you don't have that skill set, you
lose a critical part of our culture. And that's something

(19:58):
that a lot of legislators don't und stand when they
were looking at I don't think Marty Girl is going anywhere.
No fact, it keeps growing.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
But it could get not as creative. This is the
morning I give to people. It's very easy Marty gras.
New Orleans is an interesting animal because, for one thing,
it's not corporately sponsored. It's privately done, and it's done
by the kindness because it creates a not only this
great show, but this great artistic performance. We build these

(20:27):
wonderful works of art and start again each year, and
that is not necessarily a given thing. It's theater.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's theater.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's theater, and it's leering, moving theater mobile.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
And only in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Do you know where the word float comes from?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well, they used to put these parades on the on
bayous or rivers or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
No, no, it's actually it's well, yeah, you're right. It was
the processions of the of of the monarchs, particularly Queen Elizabeth,
from Greenwich to London, and they were these presentations for
the public. So that's why they're called floats. There were
boats originally. But the idea is that you need to
support these industries, folks. And if you don't call your
legislators because these the live performance tax credits and the

(21:08):
digital tax credits. I'm saying this again, and I'm sorry.
If we eliminate the digital tax credits, we're not recording
music here. If we're not recording music here, musicians leave
and we don't have as much of a culture because
they can wear.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Music city where the music city what most of the
great music of America started here.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
The first rock and roll was taped at J and
M Studios by Cosmo Matassa rock and roll all night.
This is because he had an infrastructure. And the only
reason here's the irony, The only reason Cosmo Matasa could
afford studio is a launder. You know, his parents had
a laundry mount and they gave their son, who is
shift the upper floors and subsidized him. So tax credits

(21:47):
have been going on. It just used to be the
bank of mom and dad. Now it's we don't have that,
So we got to presuppre our industry, support your artists, folks.
Tax credits will be going on for theatrical live performance
and for digital tax credits, which is read music as
well as software. At the twenty five regular fiscal Session.
The fiscal session, by the way, for those that don't know,
every other year we have a regular session and they

(22:11):
have to deal with fiscal matters. Each legislator is allowed
to bring up four bills that are non fiscal but
otherwise it's got to concentrate on fiscal matters, and so
that's when the tax credits come up. And it's going
to be a battle royal because we lowly people and
musicians and people on stage and those who do opera
and those who do theater and those who do this.
We don't have the millions of dollars of constituency the

(22:33):
movie industry has. Yet we are the ones that live here,
that buy houses, that send our kids to school, that
do all of that, and we hope you can get
your treasure. Anyway, speaking of.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Those people who live here, we're going to come back
after this and talk about the people who live in
Canada Mexico with a potential tariff and whether they want
to live here in America, and those people who live
in western Ukraine who may not.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Live there anymore as the war escalates.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Folks of war and art, perhaps you see the movie
The monuments Men where it brings us very topic up.
Where Hitler was steel and all the great art and
then it was going to destroy it all because he
if he lost, he wanted to destroy it all. And
the Monument's men that was the civil affairs unit. I
once was in a civil Affairs Unit. They were sent
to Europe to stop this and to save the art.

(23:18):
And there's a classic scene there where the captain, the
commander of the civil Affairs unit, is telling them that
they want to know, you know, why is this worth it?
People dying, all the terrible things we're going through. He
says absolutely, because he says, you know, when you lose
the war a nation, you have not lost the soul

(23:38):
of the people, but when they lose their culture, their art,
now you've destroyed their soul. And that's what he was doing.
He's trying to save the soul of Europe if you
will through the art that you're the great art of
Europe because.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
The art is your soul's expression of describes your soul. Yeah,
folks will be back with more of the Founder Show
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to get you involved, you know, doing the holidays, Thanksgiving,
the course, Christmas right on its heels. It's a very
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Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's the holiday season and with Thanksgiving and of course
Christmas coming up. What's the one thing that we knew
Orlenians do besides help those who we remember and love
our culture, we eat?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
And what is the thing you loved Tommies?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
You get all these different things, but the thing that
I love to eat all throughout the year, but particular
the Holy season is a mac and cheese. Oh yeah, God,
this's nothing better than a great mac and cheese. It
is incredible. And why am I telling you about this
because there's a great debate folks that the mac and
cheese was invented in New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well, you know, the greatest mac and cheese I've ever
had it. I've had it all over the place, you know,
around the country, around the world, but the greatest place
I've ever had it is here in Nuance, cooked by
our great African American cooks in this city. I don't
care if they're just a mother with a family or
they're a famous cook in the city. They have some
special something they do with mac and cheese that makes

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it the most the best, and by the way, they
love it too.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
And this is the essence of that debate because the
biggest exhibit to African American chefs in the country and
the predation of the mac and cheese is the Southern
Food and Beverage Museum in Ruthya Castle. Haveley and folks,
we are entering the debate of the great mac and
Cheese on December eighth with in song. Now this is
New Orleans. What's better than food music? We're putting them

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together for what's called the Cookoff. The Cookoff is an
English language opera, so think more like musical because you
can understand what they're saying. And it's about a television
show that's having this debate, this Cookoff show on what
is the best mac and cheese and who created the
mac and cheese. This is written by a New Orleans
based librettist. He was actually from the city, so he

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grew up. He's African American. On this debate of creating
the mac and cheese. He wrote an opera about it,
in a one hour opera, and at the Southern Food
and Beverage Museum on December eighth, we're having a full
brunch with a lot of mac and cheese, having the opera,
and we're having two performances of it and having this debate.
It's the international premiere of the opera Cookoff at sofab

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on December eighth. You can get tickets at New Orleans
Opera dot org New Orleans Opera dot orgy. Just go
on to the website click and the first performance the
tickets because it includes the brunch one hundred and fifty
second performance. The tickets are only thirty five dollars, so
it's really affordable for anybody. And you're in the center
of the Southern Food and Beverage Museum and all their exhibits,

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and they're going to be giving tours and the whole works.
It's a perfect thing in this holiday season. You want
to appreciate the things that are special about New Orleans,
not just family and love and the holidays and of
course the greatest sacrifice, so but the idea of food
and music that brings us together. So what we're doing
is encouraging to go onto New Orleans Opera dot org

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and click on tickets for the cookoff. There's a limited
number of the VIP tickets for the brunch, which is
curated by famous New Orleans chefs. It includes some mac
and cheese, but also a five course meal that'll be
happening at eleven am on December eighth. That's the Sunday morning.
It's brunch and the opera and the next opera is
going to be in the museum. It's thirty five dollars

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for advanced tickets, more at the door. But folks, you
can go ahead and get your tickets by just going
to New Orleans Opera dot org. Hi and not gonna
be sitting there. We're gonna be eating a lot of
mac and geese. We're gonna be eating a lot of food,
and we're gonna be watching this English language opera Who's
premise one of the main keys is this argument in
song that New Orleans created the mac and cheese, and folks,
you're not gonn want to miss. It's a comic opera.

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It's hysterical and it's brilliant. And what's better than song is.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's gonna be so much fun December eighth at the
Southern Food and.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Beverage Holiday Event.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
A perfect holiday event.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
More on this by checking out New Orleans Opera dot
org and finding out about the Cookoff.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
And by the way, folks, when Santa comes down in
chimney here, many times he's not great with donuts and milk.
He's greeted with mac and cheese and coffee and chicer.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Find out about the creation of the mac and cheese
at the production of the Cookoff at the Southern Food
and Beverage Museum December eighth, two times, eleven am and
two pm. Tickets available at New Orleans Opera dot org.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
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mcenry with.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Christopher Tidmore and folks. One of the questions and if
there's one thing that elected Donald Trump more than anything else.
And I think there are many factors that did, but
it was inflation.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
People, I've done big pebug.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now if there's a second factor that elected it was
illegal immigration?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
So in a way to solve a legal immigration, he
may make inflation worse. So let me fine, well, let
me explain this. I'm being folks. You're read for everybody's
for everybody's going here. I will say Donald Trump wants
Canada and Mexico to take responsibility for people who are
crossing the borders. It is a problem, believe or not,

(33:51):
on the Canadian border, but it's mostly a problem on
the Mexican border. And one of the things that is
interesting is that Mexico is letting Central and South Americans
cross through. So I'm going to give you a statistic
that the press is not giving you on either side.
There were more Mexicans that left the United States from
Mexico last year than Mexicans who immigrated to the United States.

(34:14):
Mexico's economy is actually pretty good. Mexicans are not actually leaving.
We don't actually have an immigration problem in Mexico. We've
got a severe immigration problem with Guatemalajadors, Ataliz, Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
And Columbia Eastern Hemisphere coming well.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And what's happening on the Canadian border is just that
people are coming into Canada. Canada is actually tightening its
immigration system, but they're letting him go straight into the
United States. So Trump wants to reinforce the borders, but
at the same time he wants people in those countries
to stop pushing countries and pushing people from other countries
into this country. There are not a lot of Canadians

(34:53):
in Mexico, but a lot of there's a settle. So
here's so there's two ways to do that. One you
can militarize the borders, but frankly, and then while that's
part of Trump's plan, it's it's not a very effective
when you've got borders that are thousands of miles long.
You can't really I mean, you'd be bankrupting the country
to militarize them. The other thing you can.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Do, Christopher, it's not quite like that because we have
so many military personnel that are being paid full time
their regular arm you know, their active duty. We can
put them in Western training camps and let them do pay,
you know, or we can put them on the border
and they can patrol them.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, but you're the first one who knows better than
anybody as a veteran special Forces that military personnel are
not police personnel. It's a different it's a different It's
not that they can't do the job, but it's a
different skills set because police are.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Not in christ for.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
What they do is they locate the refugees, calling the cops.
That's how it works, all right. Well, let me just
be very blunt. The just the fact that their appearance there,
the ref the the you know, illegals will then try
to find another location. When they see military personnel they're
going to cross, they won't one across.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm not entirely sure if I agree, but I'm for
the sake of argument, let's say you're right for a second. Trump, however,
is looking at doing something a lot more, and that
is putting a twenty percent tariff on Canada and Mexico
until the immigration thing. Now, let me be very blunt
in economic terms, if you're trying to fight inflation, the

(36:21):
last thing you want to do is put tariffs on
where most of your industry is. So, for those that
don't know, Mexico and Canada do not operate like separate countries.
They effectively operate as part of the United States economy.
It's not that they build things and import them in
It's that parts of the supply chain are in there,

(36:41):
so they might do this part. They might have part
of you assembly in northern Mexico bringing into Texas. The
Canadian border might as well be two US states. It
doesn't really matter. And if you put if you put
tariffs on China, it hurts US and it crosses inflation,
but there's an ocean in between. They're making a whole
car in China or whatever they're doing. If you put

(37:03):
tariffs on Canada and Mexico, it's like putting tariffs between
Texas and Louisiana in economic terms. And what if you
want to fight inflation, the worst thing you can do
is put a twenty percent sales tax on the price
of goods moving between what are effectively in economic terms,
US states.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Unless that raise is manufacturing here.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Except that takes years to do.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
And look the sometimes in some quickly in some say,
and sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
As Milton Friedman pointed out very effectively that what often
times happens when you put a tariff on goods to
protect domestic manufacturing. The domestic manufacturers to simply raise their price.
It doesn't actually increase more production. And then there's there's
plenty of examples in history. But let's for a second
assume you're right. Let's assume, Hi, what you just said

(37:54):
is good is what would happen. It doesn't happen overnight.
It takes about war years to build an industrial infrastructure.
So let's say Tara Trump goes in for well, but
we're not. But you got to admit World War two
was a special case. When they're pretty special for US
in World War Two. What was happening in World War Two.

(38:14):
What was happening is not only did you have national attention,
you had the federal government giving zero interest loans to
major corporations and making them work together, so effectively nationalizing
corporations still run by private industry, but so they had
to work that. The World War two example is a
very specific and by the way, you had a guaranteed customer.
It's really easy to build massive industrial plants when the

(38:37):
federal government says I'm going to give you a billion
dollars interest free loan to build a factory you're going
to build tanks, and I'm going to buy every single
one of your tanks. I'm agreeing in advance and paying
you in advance for those tanks to pay off the
loan I just gave you.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I mean that that's that's a really good that built
in market already.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
It's not like we have to tell people, oh, you
got to buy well, that's interesting, you gotta buy a computer.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
They're already buying them.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well, but here's the facts. What we have is most
of our industrial plant. If you're talking about across the sea,
you're right, you have industrial plant that could be replaced here.
If you're talking about to Canada and Mexico, you're talking
about the same industrial plant. If Donald Trump is entering
office with his first action to be putting on a

(39:19):
twenty percent tariff in Canada and Mexico until they fix
a legal immigration it may be an effective way of
working on illegal imigration. But the fact is they don't
control it.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
So oh they do.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
No Mexico is if you're in northern Mexico. You know
the funny thing people ask me, I used to lead
towards to northern Mexico, to the copper Canyon, and I
spent a lot of time driving from El Paso across
northern Mexico, ended up in Tucson, Arizona, and they're like,
aren't you in danger of life? I said, now, the
cartels run everything, and they're not going to let to

(39:53):
us get killed and banned for business. And so my
point being, the cartels run the Northern States, and so
the northern the Mexican federal government does not have the
authority to stop the Cortel's short of a full scale
US invasion, and that's kind of invading your neighbors, is
kind of what's going on in Ukraine, and that wouldn't

(40:14):
be a very good thing. And I do not I
make a lot of accusations of Donald Trump. The one
thing I think he's genuinely sincere about is keeping America
out of wars.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think I think I think he's I don't.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Think there's the alien crime in this country, which is.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But I don't think he wants to invade Mexico, is
my point. And so so what we're gonna do with yes, well,
I don't I'm not arguing with that. I think it's
a little bit more nuanced, but I'm gonna I'm gonna be,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Be, but he would rather do anything but go to war.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I will say that there's there there is an interesting
dichotomy between the parties where they've sort of switched positions.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Democrats love.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, I think democrats well. And Ukraine is the example.
So let's so let's now we've established that Trump's tariffs
might actually cause inflation. Let's go to Ukraine. And Ukraine
is an interesting example because this is a situation where
the Ukrainians are on their last legs. For those that
have not paid attention, the Ukraine has done a valiant

(41:15):
effort for the last four years. They have resisted against
overwhelming odds and keeping them ness. But what a few
interesting things happen. It wasn't just Joe Biden that removed
the restrictions on the Ukrainian shooting into Russia, because Russia
has been shooting hypersonic ballistic missiles. Ballistic missiles are missiles
that go up in the atmosphere and down. You can't
stop them with most desks.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Speed the right speed the supersonic ones.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So the English and French have allowed this. The storm
shadow English missiles have been actually the most effective. But
the Russians right now, in a place called Zarov's Kova
are passing the border. And what happens now is the
Russian is Putin is trying to claim as much territory
as possible before Donald Trump comes to office, thinking that
Trump is going to essentially stop US support Ukraine. And

(42:02):
this scares me a lot. And this is one of
those situations where Trump's peacenik attitudes, which I'm kind of
agreeing with you about, are one of those things that
is pretty close to appeasement. And I'm kind of you, really,
I don't know, there's something that Toosey Gabbard is basically saying,
let Putin have all of Ukraine. And she is the
new Director of National Intelligence, So I mean that kind

(42:23):
of scares me. On that note, folks, we got to
take a quick commercial break. We'll be back with the
Patriotic Moment coming into this December season right after these
important messages here on the Founder's Show on WSLA and
w R. Now, come join us for song and knowledge
of how the mac and cheese was created by New
Orleanians by going to the Southern Food and Beverage Museum

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On December eighth, and seeing the new English language opera,
The Cookoff performed in the center of the Museum amidst
all of the great exhibits about New Orleans and Southern cooking.
The Cookoff of December eighth, eleven o'clock and two pm.
First performance includes brunch second before performance is open to
the public and folks. You can get more about tickets
about this English language opera called cook aufidens a premiere

(43:07):
in New Orleans by going to New Orleans Opera dot org.
That's New Orleans Opera dot oorg.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
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Speaker 1 (44:56):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
And you're listening to the Founder's Show, the Voice of
the Founding Fathers. And this is Chaplain High mcceenry, and
it's now time for us to go into our chaplain
by a patriotic moment. We'd just take a brief moment
to remind you of the biblical foundations of our country,
our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today we want to talk
about Evacuation Day, which incidentally coincided with Thanksgiving the Thanksgiving season.

(45:20):
This was back in seventeen eighty three. Now we'd already
won the War one Battle of Yorktown, and the British
acknowledged that we're going to have to leave. But it
took them a little whildly. They didn't leave quickly, and
so hostilities continued in small places here and there. But
they finally did have to leave, and that was in
seventeen eighty three, on November the twenty fifth, and as

(45:41):
the last act of spite, I guess you could say,
they put up this giant flagpole that nobody could take down.
They greased it, but before they greased it, they put
their humongous flag up, so that when we took America back,
we would still be under the British flag. Well, a
very brave soul got up that flagpole with his spikes
and he took it down and replaced it with a

(46:03):
giant American flag. And so the last thing the British
troops saw, six thousand of them evacuating, was an American flag. Well,
this is a great and glorious time, because it finally
fully proved that we had our country back, it was ours,
and things were The peace treaty was going to happen soon.

(46:23):
There were great celebrations. Remember now in the background is Thanksgiving.
We're also thanking God at the time for all the
many blessings we have in this country. And so actually
that became an official holiday in states all across the
country at the time, the thirteen colonies, thirteen states, and
it was called Evacuation Day. It was a big patriotic

(46:44):
celebration that happened right at the same time as Thanksgiving.
George Washington took his crew to France's tavern where they celebrated,
and they had thirteen toasts, one for each state in
the Union, and they praised God and thank the Lord
for the many blessings we have, because it into the
thanking God for Thanksgiving time. It was quite a time, folks.

(47:04):
And remember George Washington. He's a guy who at one
point had a mutiny on his hands because his officers said,
we're tired of you spend all your time in ever
getting chaplains and Bibles into the military and spending too
much time on your knees praying General Washington, it's time
to get ready for war and do some war work. Well,
he didn't listen to him. He kept getting the Bibles
and he guess what we won. So there's another indication, folks,

(47:28):
of the biblical foundations of our country are Judeo Christian jurisprudence.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
But what about you, what is your foundation?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
You know, you could be the greatest patriot that ever lived,
a biblical patriot that ever lived. You could have memorized
the Bible, still dye and go to hell. Having a
lot of knowledge about God doesn't get you into heaven.
No one knows God better than the devil himself. He
was God's number one angel, and he's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Think of it.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
His mind is greater than all the computers in the
world combined. But he's very evil, and he's very He
is not ever going to be with God. He's gone
for good. As far as the Lord's concerned. He's irredeemable.
But folks, you are redeemable. You are made in God's
image and you made to be just like God. But
you got to finish it off. You got to finish
the process. And the process is you have to come

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to the point in your life where you know that
you are helpless and hopeless without God. There's absolutely nothing
you can do to gain his favor to get to heaven.
To be saved from hell. There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do to overcome your sins. Absolutely nothing,
because even in overcoming your sins, God calls that an
act of rebellion, an act of unrighteousness, because it's your

(48:37):
righteousness you're trying to put in the place of Christ.
You see, the only righteousness God looks at is his sons,
the Lord Jesus Christ, and that righteousness was provided to
the entire human race when Jesus died on the cross.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
For all of our sins, all of your sins from.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
The day you're born and the day you die, your
tinians to your greatest sins, they all went on Jesus.
They went in Jesus, and then he was even turned
into that sin. That's how extreme the price was that
he paid. And then the Bible says his blood washed
them all away. So, folks, it's not about how good
you can be. It's about how great Jesus is was
and always will be for you. And the moment you

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come to realize you cannot save yourself, your hope's and
help us without him destined to a burning hell, that's
called repentance. When you come to that point, in your life.
You are now ready to put faith alone in Christ
the loan to believe that He really did die for
all your sins, was buried and rose from the dead
to win for you his precious free gift of resurrection,
everlasting life. If you don't have that life, you need

(49:36):
it now.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Folks.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
You don't wait till tomorrow. You may not be here
when no one knows what a day holds forth. I mean,
I have really good friends that they shouldn't be dead
right an now they're gone, and they went quickly. Well one,
I'm win in a few hours. When I'm winning a
few minutes. You don't know, folks, We don't know. Our
day's a number, the scripture says, and only God knows that.
So don't put it off, folks. Don't wait till it's

(49:58):
too late, like the old country preacher, like the Word
of God says, now today is the day of salvation. Well, folks,
if you've never done this, please do it. Don't put
it off. Believe that Jesus died for all your sins,
was bretter and rose and the dead. And so that
leads us now into our apocalyptic message, folks, where it's
not time to talk about end times.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You know, I alter this.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I do a testimony time where I tell a testimony
of a great guy that I tell about apocalyptic events.
What you find in the Book of Revelation. It's called eschatology.
That's a theological term for the study of end times. Folks,
we're in that time. Jesus said, when we saw all
these signs coming together, we're seeing right now.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
We're in it. One of the signs.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
It's called the Gog Magog War or the Ezekiel thirty
eight thirty nine war because it's found in those two chapters,
and it's the story of how Russia gog Maygog Nishak,
which was an ancient name for Moscow, and Ruth's which
is the ancient name for Russia. That's where you get
the word rush from. They come down on all their

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bands into the Bible says God has a hook in
their jaw, and they're coming down. And I say, now,
how could that happen? What would entice the Russians? There
are a lot of temptations.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Let's say they'd love to get all that oil, for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
And it's turned on that Israel's starting to really blow
and go with oil, they're supplying a lot of gas.
They're now competition for Russia to Europe. But is it
maybe more than that, because they have all the oil
and gas they need Russia does. It's got to be
something else. And this is what I think is going
on now, is my best guess. Look at what's going
on in Eastern Europe right now, the Ukraine. The Russians
are pounding it out with Ukraine, and now it's getting

(51:32):
so bad the other nations are getting into it, which
means Russia, ultimately, if this continues to escalate, we'll have
to fight all Europe, NATO and America. They can't really
do that. They can cause enormous damage, enormous destruction, great
loss of life, et cetera, et cetera, but in the
end they can't win that. So you know, war is

(51:53):
literally played like a chess game. People may not realize that,
and it's called strategy. On the local areas is called tactics.
There's a great strategy I see developing here. And Putin
knows this. I mean, he's a master's strategist. He's a
master chess player. And you know how the Russians love
chess well, the way he could win this thing with
minimum loss of life and property destruction, was to move south.

(52:17):
If he could take the Middle East, which means he's
got to take Israel. The rest of the nations are
easy for him, but the big big guy down there,
the big muscle down there, they'll have to face is Israel.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
If he could take.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Them, he would own the Middle East, and he would
checkmate Europe and that would end it. Now, is that
the hook that God has in the Russian jaw to
drag them down for this great horrible which will be
actually even a limited nuclear war according to the Bible. Folks,
Now that's not the that's the first battle of the
last seven years, the last battles, the battle of arm Again,
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the first one.

(52:51):
So folks think about it. We're there, Jesus said, remember
when you see all these things happening at the same time.
Folks were at the door. So do you have a bunker?
Do you have a safe house? Will you need one?
But you may not be able to afford get You know,
bunkers can cost a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
On it.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I'll give you the greatest safe house you can ever
get it. You can get it right now. And it's free.
It's free. It's free because Jesus is free, the Gospel
is free, Heaven is free, salvation from hell is free.
Right now, believe that Jesus really did die for was
better in Roseam To that, and you've got the greatest
faith house you'll ever get in your life, guaranteed to
protect you against anything and everything. Folks, if you've never

(53:26):
done it before, do it now. Thanks so much very
much for being with us. We're not closed with a
mon Saint Martin singing a creol goodbye and God bless
all out there
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