Tulane's Plans For Charity Hospital

Hy and Christopher take on several topics, including whether a remote straw vote of the legislature is constitutionally legal enough to provide teacher pay raises; how despite critics on the Left, whether SpaceX might actually help lower tech prices and help the poor bridge the digital divide; and whether the ideological extremes of both parties are like “Thelma and Louise driving off the cliff”— and WE are the convertible.
However, the Founders’ Show kicks off talking about one of the big news pieces of the week: Tulane University’s $500 million dollar restoration of ‘Big Charity’.
Hy and Christopher suggest that the investment might come 20 years too late and $250 million too high —and thousands of homeowners paid the price for the delay. That is not to say that the proposal to refurbish abandoned, art deco skyscraper into Tulane’s Celia Scott Weatherhead School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine as well as the Tulane University Innovation Institute, medical school classrooms, and apartments lack merit.
In point of fact, Tulane University’s half of a billion dollar offer stands as the only legitimate proposal to bring Big Charity back into use and commerce. The state-of-the-art classrooms, community spaces, and labs will provide space for 700 new researchers and 2500 new jobs. A win-win, as Tulane President Michael Fitts has noted, due the fact that the university’s uptown campus has run out of space— and expansion downtown (on Tulane Avenue no less) for some of its graduate schools seems like a viable plan.
At least the proposal promises to reconstitute the blighted property which Big Charity has become, erasing the vines and padlocked doors tarnishing the CBD’s image.
The tragedy that Fitts’ predecessors, particularly Deans in Tulane’s medical faculty, went along with a plan to shutter a perfectly viable hospital twenty years ago and instead build a suburban medical complex on top of an historic Black neighborhood—all in the cause of constructing a unified teaching hospital which LSU and LCMC sidelined Tulane Medical School by the time the doors opened—was left unmentioned.
By the point of UMC’s groundbreaking, the Creole cottages and Camelbacks between Claiborne Avenue and S. Rocheblave Street already had been demolished and generations of families expelled. Many of these homeowners had returned after Hurricane Katrina and rebuilt the very homes which met the wrecking ball just over two years later. The Louisiana Weekly told these soon-to-be-lost neighborhood stories in a series at the time, attempting to convince the bipartisan political leadership that saving historic homes proved good politics.
Christopher’s newspaper recounted how families faced permanent separation by the hospital project. Our pages recounted varied tales including that of the Korean War veteran arrested for simply reentering the house in which he was born—his own home in which he had lived for more than 70 years—to retrieve a small chandelier his grandmother had hung, whose crystal would have been crushed in the trash pile when the forklifts came in the next few days.
A myriad of stories populated the series from the original Deutscheshaus’ destruction to historic bars and corner eateries collapsed by a wrecking ball. Unnecessary redevelopment of this historic Black neighborhood, as this newspaper pointed out at the time, since Big Charity Hospital easily survived Hurricane Katrina, with only a couple of subterranean rooms having experienced any flooding.
In fact, Charity Hospital remained open with patients and (limited) electrical power until the Friday after the previous Monday’s storm. Moreover, US Special Forces Medical personnel had actually come in and cleaned the entire hospital complex from top to bottom in weeks after Katrina, replaced broken equipment, and stood ready to re-open the doors of Big Charity. Hospital staff subsequently toured the now-spotless facility, and they expressed eagerness to get back to work.
Then, state officials reportedly told these Charity nurses, doctors, and administrators that the complex would remain closed for another two weeks. A fortnight later, the staff members returned to a locked building, which somehow had been entered and severely vandalized in the interim with little evidence of a break-in. The timing of the wanton destruction always proved curious, as proposals to build a massive billion dollar medical complex on top of the nearby neighborhood coincided with what would have been the Big Charity reopening date.
From incumbent Democrats like Mary Landrieu to newly elected Republicans like Bobby Jindal, federal officials received a clear message that Big Charity had been “destroyed by Hurricane Katrina” and needed a complete new hospital replacement. A smorgasbord of federal mon

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
An uncharitable view of the charity hospital saga the right
and the left? Are they the thelman Louise driving off
the cliff? And are we the convertible? And the legislature?
Can a remote straw vote count as legislative action to
give teachers a pay raise? Will that count? All this
and more on this edition of The Founder Show.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
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on the Eagles Branch, is none other than your spngary
Baba of the Republic Chaplain Hi mcenry.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
With Christopher Tidmury, roving reporter, resident Radical moderate and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And we got a lot to talk about with the
elections and everything else. But I wanted to talk about
Charity Hospital. And by this I mean the house that
Huey built, that wonderful, fantastic aging structure on two Lade

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Avenue facing in the direction of Canal Street. And the
reason I wanted to talk about it is for those
that haven't been paying attention to Lane, Universe agreed to
pay seven hundred million dollars in an upgrade to try
to bring the building back into commerce. The building has
been effectively abandoned since get this, I want everyone to

(02:11):
hear this correctly, since seven days after Hurricane Katrina. You
heard that correctly, folks. Seven days after hurricane.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
And you're talking about big Charity. And I know the
whole story, and it's going to be an interesting story here, Chris.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
And we want to share a little bit of this
Tega because it's it's a tale of political priorities and
missed opportunities and everything that came in to hurt you
the taxpayer. Basically, if Tulane University comes up with seven
hundred million dollars to put the building back in commerce, great,
But the fact of the matter is we never had

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to lose it in the first place, and we could
have for two hundred and fifty million dollars twenty years ago,
turned it into the most sophisticated hospital in the world.
And we missed all of these opportunities, and in the
course of it, we down a neighborhood of good people
who built rebuilt after the storm, and their tail is
part of what we wanted to recount. And the reason

(03:07):
we're telling you all of this is beware of these
big deals because there's always kind of a fine print
in all of them. So just a quick recap for
those that don't know. This big charity was not flooded
in Hurricane Katrina. It was not affected other than one
or two small subterrannial rooms. It remained with electricity and

(03:31):
patience until the Friday after the storm. The storm was
Sunday night, Monday morning.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yes, Chris Frau was there. Remember I stayed during a hurricane.
We did not leave. I did not leave, and there
were a few of us that gathered together. We just
did search and rescue for the first seven days. We
pushed floating bodies out of the way to get to
the living where we dodged bullets. New Orleans like the
wild Western steroids. And I ended up being all over
the city on the high parts, because you know the

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Slaver was always high. Well, Charity was on that close
to that slver, and it had a little flooding in
the basement. They had just remodeled the building. It was
in pristine condition after the hurricane, other than a little
flooding in the basement, which was nothing an easy cleanup,
and yet they shut it down. And the rest is

(04:16):
the story that you'll hear, and.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
The rest of the story, as the wonderful Paul Harvey
might say, except this is not a positive story. So
some of you know, I ran for the legislature in
two thousand and seven. My then assistant was a boy
man by the name of David Huguenel. Today he is
one of the foremost political consultants in the United States,
award winning handles, US Senate races, handles races all over.

(04:41):
His grandmother was the cheat, one of the chief r
ns of Charity Hospital, who is there throughout the entire storm,
all the way until finally they were ordered out on
Friday where they still had power and patience and were
treating it. The hospital was in a full functional condition.
It wasn't a problem. They were ordered out two weeks later.

(05:03):
She returned to the hospital with the administrative staff, and
the place had been wrecked. It was not wrecked when
they left. Everything was locked up. No one really knows
how this happened. It was a very conscious wrecking in
her view, like somebody came in deliberately to wreck the place.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
In fact, when they were trying to get it condemned,
all of a sudden there was flooding and they couldn't
figure where's the flood coming from. Turned out some lad
brought a hose to the top floor and turned it on,
and that was the flooding. I mean, come on, folks,
this was a rigged deal. I was at Charity, Like
I didn't say this quite clearly, but I was at
Charity and I saw what good condition was and I

(05:43):
was really grateful, my goodness, And I knew some of
the doctors and nurses that had been there, and they
were tell me what was going on. Everything was great.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And to say it was well, okay, well it was wrecked, Christopher,
what are you getting at. Let me tell you the
next part of the story. High's former colleagues in the
United State Special Forces. Well, actually, the current at that
point we were still serving came in. We brought in
the Special Forces and remember special Forces are not just soldiers,
they're medical units. And the medical units came in under

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the state of emergency and they reconstructed everything in the
hospital and gave it the biggest deep cleaning. That hospital
was cleaner than it probably had been in any time
since it opened in the nineteen thirties. It was two
weeks after the two week wreckage. It was ready to
be come in. It was pristine, It had new equipment
that was donated by the FEDS. It was ready to go,

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and then it was closed up and guess what happened.
It was wrecked again. And one of the things that
was going on was this was a huge and it
was bipartisan. It was Mary Landrew and Bobby Jendall, it
was Mitch Landrew and you know a lot of Republicans
that were coming in. It was it was David Vitter
and they saw that there was a huge amount of

(06:55):
money to build a massive medical complex at two hundred
one billion dollar University Medical Center. Now all this has
happened and there's an argument, how would you build as
medical center. So a proposal is put through by the
Foundation of Historical Louisiana and several medical advocacy groups, including
some of the doctors the Charity. If you want to

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build a new medical center, you could gut Charity Hospital
and for two hundred and fifty million dollars you could
build the most sophisticated hospital in the United States inside
of Charity Hospital.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Because it's already a hospital. It's built for that that's free.
And even this is really sad. Right before the hurricane
they had done a massive total remodeling job. Everything look
brand new in it is just it's beyond it's hard
to understand how they did what they did. Actually, it's
not hard when you know how corrupt our politicians are.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And remember this is both sides were doing this. There
was a huge amount of money at stake, and the
medical infrastructure. People forget about this. The hospital industry is
the second largest industry in Louisiana. It is the biggest employer.
It is incredibly politic powerful. So they basically said, no,
we can't rebuild hospital, even though everyone's saying, well, sure

(08:06):
you can. I mean, the argument as to why they
couldn't rebuild charity was that you can't build up you.
Hospitals now are not skyscrapers. You can't have a sophisticated
hospital that's a skyscraper. And somebody raised a hand. I
know who this person was because it was me. I
raised a hand in one of the press conferences I
was working. I had just started at WRNO. We launched

(08:27):
the station in two thousand and six. I am the
senior reporter. I'm working for Bob Christopher and the brilliant
and wonderful Jeremy Porsine, who is still a deer and
he still takes care of us to this day. By
the way, I want to point out that I'm coming
up in my twentieth anniversary with WRNO in a month
or so, so we're going to do a special show

(08:47):
on that twenty years with this radio station. But anyway,
that aside, I held up and I said, you say
you can't do a skyscraper, what do you call cedar
SINAI hospital in New York, or any of the dozen
hospitals that are skyscrapers that are the leading hospitals in
the world.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
They do all kinds of things in skyscrapers. Come on,
this is ridiculous. Not only that, and it's just really
a shame that we didn't have Donald Trump there, because
he loved skyscrapers. He'd have saved it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
If you put give Trump credit, if his name could
have gone on it in gold, it probably would have
done anything with it. But what happened next was even
the greater tragedy. Because they had all this money, they
wanted to build this suburban style university campus. There were
several options put in, including the Lindy Boggs Medical Center,
which really was flooded out and destroyed. That would have
been seventy acres with it in the nearby warehouses to

(09:37):
build this medical complex if they wanted it. They didn't
want that. They wanted something close to downtown, but not
in downtown. And so they said, we wanted basically rip
down an entire neighborhood all the way from essentially, you know,
halfway into mid city to Clayburne Avenue. And this is

(09:58):
a historic New orleansihborhood was in fact, people had come
back after the storm and fixed their houses. So now
we're two thousand and seven, going to two thousand and eight,
and basically they're saying, we want to save this neighborhood
and we want this neighborhood to be our hospital, and
people there want to save their houses. And they start
going through and using eminent domain to buy out people's houses,

(10:22):
people who had lived there for generations. And there's so
many sad stories I could tell of this. The Deutsche's
house was there, they were forced out. But the real
sad story the one that always strikes me. And I
interviewed the man. I had him on my radio show
where we just started the show on WSLA. I want
to give another credit. I've been on WSLA now for

(10:42):
on and off for nineteen years, but we started that
and he was a Korean War veteran. He had been
born in the house. This has been his grandparents parents' house,
and he was forced to sell his house and on
the day of the sale, he went in he was
getting his last few things. He goes in and he's

(11:02):
taking down the chandelier that had been there that his
grandmother had put up there and was a big thing,
and he was taking it down. Police came in and
said he was trespassing and arrested this seventy four year
old man who was this highly decorated military veteran, no
never of this in his own home, for taking on
a chandelier that they were about to bulldoze so it

(11:23):
would have just been destroyed. I can tell you that
tale in so many ways and happened so many people.
The one benefit, the reason people listened to is the
guy was white. Most the other people live in the
neighborhood were black, and frankly, I was astonished. I'm friends
with Mitchell Andrew, but I will tell you when I
talked to Mitch about this at the time, Mitch said,
you know, really, I mean that neighborhood was falling apart. Anyway,

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there was a lot of people, Bobby Jendall that was
wreckage and ghetto. Everybody was just putting this down. So
they ripped down this neighborhood. These beautiful homes, these people
are chased out out. If you drive past it, large
portions of it are grass green space with a suburban hospital.

(12:07):
Roughly in real terms, about twenty blocks away from charity
not part of the hospital infrastructure. They wanted the land.
They wanted the land long term, and they chased everybody
out of the area. So that's the first part of
the tale. Then they build this hospital and guess what,
they don't have the billion dollars they thought they were
going to have, so the state had to coin up
with one hundreds of millions of dollars. So all the

(12:28):
money that was pledged to redo charity hospital doesn't go.
So here's the next part of the story. Mitch Land
drew to his credit, says, we can't leave this building
up and New Orleans. Anybody who stepped into New Orleans
City Hall knows you gotta be careful because the ceiling
might fall on your head. And it's getting worse and
worse every year, to the point where the city spends
three million dollars a year having offices renting offices in

(12:52):
nearby office buildings. Because there's entire floors of City Hall.
You cannot physically be in between the asbestos and the
physical conditions. It's that bad. It's this is not like, oh,
we want a nicer office. This is like it's a
medical danger to bea this and the civil District Court building.
Even worse.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
You play it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
There's a lottery game at the Civil District Court. Am
I going to be caught on the elevator between floors
today for six hours? Judges and the playoffs played it
all the time, So we got eighty year olds going
up six flights of stairs. So the point I'm getting
at all this is we needed a new CDC and
we needed a new city hall. And this was his
idea was to take over Charity, make it a city

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hall government complex and build the courthouses. Now, the Civil
District Court judges, led by Michael Becnairs did not want
the courthouses. They didn't want to be that far away
from Poyder Street and the law firms. So there was
a side to it. The state, however, was cutting a deal.
And by the way, for those that don't know, why
did we keep the Saints, Well, Tom Benson wanted to

(13:52):
buy a skyscraper and he wanted to keep He was
threatening to move to New Orleans Saints to San Antonio
unless this state bought him a skyscraper. Wait wait, wait, wait,
you heard me correctly, Benson Tower exists because Bobby Jendall
said we will pay more, it was twenty two to
twenty three dollars a square foot, which was way above

(14:13):
market to put every state office in Southeast Louisiana in
the Benson Tower, which provided enough money for Tom Benson
to buy the tower and own it outright. And that's
why the Saints maintained that was the deal. Well, those
were the offices that we're going to go into a
big municipal complex. You're gonna have the city and state
everything that you needed in one complex in the Charity

(14:35):
Hospital building. Well then Landrew comes in and to his credit,
he said, okay, if you're going to do that, great,
We want to keep the Saints, but you know what,
how about you just give us the building. You know,
we can't really afford because we have to in order
to rebuild a building, we're gonna have to borrow against
it and we're gonna have to it's like a mortgage.
Give us title to the building and we'll rebuild it
for you and it'll build it will it'll be a

(14:55):
vital part. Now we're not going to do that. We
have a better idea. We're gonna give it to LSU
and they're going to turn it into a biomedical center. Well,
LSU gets it, and LSU for years doesn't do it
because they're short on money and they're trying to build
the hospital. So it gets worse and progressively worse, and
Twu Lane, which offered years ago to come into the complex,

(15:17):
is told, not only can you not do that, we
don't want to be partners with you in our new hospital.
The whole point of building this university medical center, this
big suburban hospital, was so Tuo Lane and LSU would
share it, just like they shared Charity Hospital as their
teaching hospital. And they basically kicked two Lane out. The
Two Lane teaching hospital today is East Jefferson Medical Center.
You heard me correctly. And so now Tulane is actually

(15:39):
has some money, it's raise some money, it's doing the
biomedical side. And two line's part of this because Tulane
went along with this stupid idea of building this university
medical center only to find itself get screwed. Yes, I'm sorry,
that's a bad language, but that's exactly what happened. So
Tu Lanes come back and they're getting a billion dollar
building for seven hundred million dollars. No matter how you
look at this, we've had complex that for twenty years,

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could have been in commerce as the city is getting
more and more deteriorated. But most of all, it could
have been a hospital seeing patients. You could have either
left it the way it was or built a state
of the art hospital for one fourth of what we
spent just to build the hospital buildings, much less destroy
and buy out these people's homes for pennies on the dollar.

(16:24):
You would have had a viable neighborhood. That Korean War
veteran passed away a couple of years ago, he would
have been able to die in his own home where
he was born. That's the uncharitable tale of Charity Hospital,
my friends, and it's it's a common tale here in
New Orleans of how we take opportunities that are good
and create opportunities that are terrible, and it just takes decades.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
For them to happen.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm sorry to have depressed you in your morning driver
or on a Sunday morning, But while I'm very grateful,
the seven hundred million dollars is basically four hundred and
fifty million and twenty years too late, too much and
too late.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Wow, we seem to keep missing it. We missed Disney
World we have the largest water set of wealth going
up the river and down the river passing us every
day in the world, the largest water set of wealth
in the world. How much of that do we get
Almost nothing. Other cities built factories and things that will help,
you know, be part of the game. We just watch

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it go past us. Does that everything to do with
our corrupt politicians? And maybe deals are making under the table.
You gotta one.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
You realize how much money was made between contracting and
medical consulting to build this new hospital. Basically we're talking
two or three hundred million dollars and extra expenses to
be able to grease political wires. It's you don't have
to wonder if it happened. We know it happened.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
But I'm even talking about this issue of the port,
with the largest port in the world, and we get
very little out of it. It's it's something's wrong here,
something's really wrong here. Every other city gets big things
out of it. The same thing happened to us without
all industry, everybody, all the big oil companies wherever they
went in the States, they would pay the states thirty
forty percent in taxes. And you know how much we

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got about five percent. Where did the rest of the
money go? Well, we know where they went to the
cricket politicians and landowners that were cutting deals saying, look,
we'll give you really low taxes, but we want something
under the table, and they got it. I know specific
stories about that. I won't mention names because I just won't,
but I do know the names, and I know what

(18:32):
happened and it's doing. Huey Long was part of it,
all right, and we know how corrupt he was. Now, well,
I got a big question for you, Chris. I know,
just this one question and you can answer it after
the break. Notice, folks, they're great soccer games all over
America right now. It's wonderful. A lot of big cities
and they're having these fabulous soccer games, drawing huge crowds.

(18:55):
We have one of the best venues in America for
that type of game, you know, the Superdome, and the
city of New Orleans one of the one of the
most beloved entertainment cities in America. Where's our soccer game?
What happened to that? Do you know? Christopher?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well, this is a little bit more of a complex thing,
but let me basically explain it.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Three ways.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
First one, we didn't really bid on it. Second one,
the superdome. They they one of the things they want
for soccer pitches is outdoor stadiums. But we this is
the other big story of the week, and it kind
of fits in the shrine on Airline, the former Pelican
not Pelicans, the former Zephyr Stadium that became the Baby

(19:39):
Cake Stadium. You know all this, Well, it's being converted
into a multi use facility. It was actually converted into
a rugby pitch, which by the way, is about the
same structure as the soccer.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Pitch, right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So here's a question that I have.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It wasn't large enough. Was it meant for the people
coming though?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
The idea, the ideal one they want for an arena
for soccer pitch is thirty thousand, So it's actually the
superdomes too big. It's actually too large the actual Schrina
Airlines twelve five hundred. But the fact of the matter is,
imagine if we had turned around and said we're gonna
build a state of the soccer pitch. If you come here,

(20:20):
it's not in the middle of the cities. It's got
a disadvantage, but it would have been a great investment.
Tad Gormley Stadium is almost the perfect size to be
able to do this, and so there's a real question
as to why, especially since we have large portions of
Central American and South American populations here that are very
wild for traditional football.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And Caribbean I mean, we have tremendous amounts of that
culture already in the city. I just can't believe that
we missed it.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Look, we could have had the Scottish Tartan Army marching
down our streets rather than Boston. I will tell you
it's one of my regrets that I was watching the
tables for the World Cup and the Division D verse division.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I what is that?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's the England versus the United States, And there was
a window for a period of about five minutes where
the United States in the divisional elimination rounds might have
faced England on the fourth of July in Philadelphia. Unfortunately
didn't happen. But I was like, this would be the
greatest match of all time in all places, you know,

(21:24):
redoing the two hundred and fiftieth of War. I last,
that's not gonna happen. But the World Cup has been
really possible positive for people all over the world to
see America. And I'll tell you a personal story. I
was on my way to Lake Charles with my wife
and I were going to see her family and we
stopped into a Jersey Mics. You know what a Jersey
Mike says. It's a subway sub shop. The reason we

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shop is my wife is pregnant and they have something
they call the Pregnancy Special, which is not delimean and
it's really good. It's a fantastic sandwich with oil and vinegar.
And that's why we were going there. So we're driving
in Gonzales, and Gonzalez has been the area where a
lot of people, very prosperous area because a lot of
people work at the plants and vat and rouge live there.
But what's been fascinating is there was several people on

(22:07):
the road between World Cup matches driving from the East
Coast to Florida and Texas, and some of the different
matches that were stopping in almost consistently because they were
going to places and Jersey Mike's is a very well
known chain up in the East Coast. They had gone
there and they were stopping in and it was happening

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twenty seven times a day. The staff was so as
people on road trips in Gonzales, Louisiana. So you can
tell me that these people wouldn't have come to New Orleans.
They're driving everywhere to do.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
This, right. And you know, it's another fascinating thing. It's
coming out really loudly and clearly, and that is that
they're praising America all these they're probably over one hundred
different countries in this country right now for the you know,
the World Cup soccer they call it football, by the way,
and so they're a praise in America and they're saying

(23:01):
things like this, this is the greatest country in the world.
This is a magnificence. Why is it that they have
this party here? There's a Democrat party that hates America.
How can they hate America? This is a beautiful plus. No,
they're saying that. I've heard many testimonies. I've heard many
testimonies to that effect. So it is it's happening.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Are they on Newsmax? Oh an, I don't know anyway
on that mode. Speaking of that, we're actually high as
a challenge. After the break, we're going to talk about
ideology gone amok because As you probably saw, the Democratic
Left had some successes, particularly in New York City, Whendamie's
candidates took out long time established, more centrist Democrats. We're
going to talk about it, but I've made High a challenge.

(23:40):
I'm going to be really critical of the Democratic Left
when we come back. I've made challenge High has to
say one comment on policy, on being critical of some
member of the right for going too either too far
right or ignoring what is truly conservative in the guise
of being conservat We're gona do that after the break.
We're gonna gonna come back up the but we're going
to talk about these recent elections and are we all

(24:03):
going off a cliff with the ideologies on the left
and right. All that more on the Founding Show right
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Hi mc henry with.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Christopher tid Moore and folks, before we get into this
idea of left and right, there's one area that the
left and right both agree on as a problem, and
that's crony capitalism. The fact is we talked about the
consultants that made plenty of money.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
With the hospital.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, we had a perfect example that we've been pretty
critical about on this radio show. For those that don't know,
there's a convention center hotel being built across the street
from the New Orleans Convention Center and a lot of
your public tax dollars are going to build this thing.
But I'm going to give credit to the New Orleans
City Council because the deal used to be a lot worse. Basically,

(27:43):
the way it was structured was every bit of property
taxes this place would have paid, this building would have
paid to the city, to our schools, to everything what
is going to be suspended for the next thirty years
used for paying for the hotel. So, in other words,
not only were they have tax payer loans to build
the hotel and taxpayer subsidies to build a hotel, and

(28:05):
sales tax subsy to build a hotel, your property taxes,
the things that go to your school would have paid
for the hotel, ripping down two buildings that currently pay
property taxes.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It was a bad deal.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
And I want to give credit to Councilman JP Morel
and his colleagues on the New Orleans City Council who
basically fought back about this. But I really heard it all.
And this guy is by the name, I know him.
His name is Mike Sherman. He's a consultant and his firm,
Sherman LLC, has been the main consultant on the Convention

(28:36):
Center hotel. And he came out before the New Orleans
City Council claiming what a great financial deal it was.
And I want you to hear that and hear their responses.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
The city stands to get a multimillion dollar building permit
fee in the next ninety days.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
This is Mike Sherman over four million.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Over twenty million of construction sales tax, half of which
comes to this local taxing bodies. On these tax increments
that we're talking about. I hope folks read the BGR
Report of the time. Speaking on an article it's been
drastically studied. The city keeps one hundred percent of its
sales tax increment. The school board keeps one hundred percent
of its sales tax increment.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
I remember morale Qui. I just want to say for
the record, it has not been a pleasure to work
with you, and I don't say that very often, but
for you to sit up here and talk about the
school board and property taxes, will I appreciate the Convention
Center working with council Member Willison Welsborough, Willard and myself,

(29:35):
but you and the people you represent did not want
to pay school board property tax and that is something
that we had this plight to get done. So while
you sit up here and pat yourself on the back,
there is work being done to make sure the city
is treated properly as in this transaction, and you were
not a part of it.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
And no, I'm not encouraging you to have a dialogue
with me unless you want to.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Drag this out further.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Maybe you should talk to your client, madam madam.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So that was what happened this week before the New
Orleans City Council, and it was a thing to behold.
It was one of the first times I've seen the
crony capital of these high paid consultants that make a
fortune basically for their very wealthy very highly politically connected
candidates not to pay taxes to basically use they're called tips,
tax inducement funding, use your tax dollars to finance their projects.

(30:30):
And fortunately the Convention Center Hotel thanks to and I
want to give Walt Lejay, who's been a very key
part of this, a little bit of credit. He reached
out to us. He heard us on the radio a
few weeks ago and was like, I'll talk. I come on,
and I want to keep I want to honor that request.
But he was telling me it's going to get better.
The deal is going to get better. It's not as
bad a deal.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Just wait. And he was right.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And so I want to say me a call with me,
a call with mea Maxima Kalpa, because this was one
of the criticisms I was making a few weeks ago.
And they have come back and are paying taxes. But
it's a good example because what happened with Charity Hospital
and all these tax stuff is what happened, you know
in billing the UMC, is what was going to happen
with this Convention Center Hotel. Now, for the most part,
it's still happening, but not to the same degree it was.

(31:12):
And that was kind of what I wanted to start with.
That was the answer to your question before the break
about you know, people who profit off of this in
the system, and this is a good example, this exchange
between JP Morel and Mike Sherman. But I was actually
want to talk about wealth in general, because there are
people who profit of government and they're just people who

(31:32):
create wealth and what do they do with that wealth?
And you're gonna hear something, folks, You're gonna hear me
get really hard on the left because if you hadn't noticed,
this week, quite a lot of things happen where the
Democratic Socialist of America basically had a very good political week.
Mayer Bandami of New York was supporting, along with AOC,

(31:54):
several left wing candidates running in Democratic primaries. Now, most
of the time credit once you win a Democratic primary
and a democratic state, you're there for life. Well, now,
a lot of these Democrats who are relatively liberal dissentrist
but they're kind of sane, have been in very key
races with very left wing self proclaimed members of the

(32:18):
Democratic Socialist who've been running against them in some of
the wealthiest areas of our country. In the financial district
of New York and all this, and to his credit,
Congressman Hakeem Jeffers, likely the next Speaker of the United
States House Representatives, was trying to keep some of his
establishment people because he's actually not on the far left
of his party. He may be on the left of

(32:38):
the American political spectrum, but compared to AOC you know
in Mundami, he's actually further in the center. Well, they
came in and they now Mundami's candidates sweeped de Roy.
The Democratic primaries is and this is one of the
reasons why high and I hate close primaries, whether they're Democratic,
Republican or anything going against the meaning of what the
founders meant about faction because a very very extreme group

(33:01):
on a political ideology says this. But I watched all
this happen, and it's interesting how social media algorithms work.
When you're monitoring a lot of stuff on either side
of the political spectrum. The algorithm on social media thinks
that you're going that you're basically trying to be you
agree with what's going on one way or another, and

(33:22):
so my algorithm is totally confused. So it'll go from
highly left wing podcast to highly right wing podcast and
it goes back and forth and it's just this whole thing.
So it clicks onto a left wing video podcast and
it's two people and they're complaining about Jeff Bezos and
him spending money on Blue Origin, and then they go

(33:45):
to Elon Musk and they're they're talking about the SpaceX IPO,
which bade him a trillionaire. And what was interesting about
the conversation was they were saying, what is this space deal?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And he could be using his money to really support
people in need, and he's wasting all this in space. Now, look,
I got my criticism to Elon Musk, but one of
them is not what's going on with SpaceX or really
any of his business alliances. And let me explain why
why did SpaceX have a trillion dollar IPO. It's not hype.

(34:22):
It's because SpaceX has been launching something called Starlink. Starlink
is a series of microsatellites that are all over the
planet that are basically revolutionizing. They're parts of the planet
that never had internet, never had phones, that have it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
The reason the Ukrainians are winning their war is because
they've been pushing all the drones through Starlink. It's connected
the planet in ways that has never happened throughout human history.
In waighs far beyond what any of this, And starting
this year, every American is going to have the opportunity
to basically get a cell phone, and your cell phone
service is going to be ten or twenty dollars a

(34:56):
month for everything you're paying for now fifty to one
hundred dollars a month coming through startlingk. The reason Startlink
made sense is because he owned the rockets to put
him up in orbit. He's also investing in AI. That's
all the testlea stuff that's coming in where basically people
will be able to drive across town guided cars for
about five dollars.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Folks, think of this when you're thinking about the Space program?
Do you like microwaves, cell phones and many of the
modern things we use today? From where did it come? NASA?
The Space program? So we're all benefiting off and now
you see what he's doing is going to really help
the poor. These people who criticize like that are they
are just cheap, nasty, dirty, probably sour grapes kind of people.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You're gonna have a tough challenge because you're gonna have
to say what you just said about the right in
a second. So I'm looking at these people and what
I'm realizing is and this is and this is really
going through my head all throughout the weekend about how
there was a disconnect with actual prosperity. You may hate
Elon Musk, mayhave his political viewpoints, but what he's actually doing,

(35:58):
he's not actually taking very much money out of his companies.
You're like, you heard me correctly. He lives in a
two bedroom track house in Brownsville, Texas. He does have
a private plane. He is that, but for the most part,
he doesn't live this elaborate life. He keeps most of
his money in stock in these companies. And what he's
doing is creating the through artificial intelligence, the first integrated

(36:19):
AI conglomerate. And what will happen is x Twitter is
going to space access will Tesla in all this, and
the AI will be able to provide a better life,
or it will take us over and be our new overlords.
I'm not really sure which, but either way, it does
have the possibility of raising living standards by making transport, communications,

(36:40):
everything far cheaper. You think this is a positive, but
because an individual is doing it rather than government. They
look at it as a track negative. This is the
illusion of the left. And so I'm sitting in Lake
Charles with my brother in law who's a kind of
left wing, and we're having this argument about the right
and all this, and I said, look, the problem we

(37:02):
have in our parties right now is that we have
these demagogues on either side and there instead of trying
to figure out what is going to make people's lives better,
and maybe that involves some little government spending on here,
or tax cuts over here, or deregulation over here, or
a closer look at certain industries, maybe we need more

(37:24):
regulation on AI. They're basically coming out and saying, the
whole system is terrible. Whether it's the right or left,
that's the thing they have in common. The whole system
is terrible, and we have to revolutionaries the whole system.
That's fundamentally unconservative. To throw out the baby with the
bathwater is the definition of what Edmund Burke warned against,
and the reflections and the revolution in France, which is

(37:45):
the fundamental document of conservatism. And by the way, Burke
was one of the defenders of the American Revolution. Just
so you understand he was one of the few people
who stood up for the Declaration of independent.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
One of the most quoted of the people the Founding
followers looked up to. Burke was probably the number one
guy most quoted.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
For those that don't know anything about Edmund Burke. One
of his most famous accountances is the only thing it
takes for evil to triumphus for good men to do nothing.
Most people know that quote. He made it very clear.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
An Irish parliamentarian by the way.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yes, but he was elected from Bristol, so he was
Irish himself. But the point he made he defended the
American Revolution up to almost treason, and yet he was
the biggest condemner of the French Revolution. And he's taught
as this ultra rabid reactionary, but it's not this. What
he said was what was the difference between the two

(38:35):
revolutions is the American Revolution was trying to conserve the
fundamental political structure, and that all the king had to
do is have MP's American MPs elected to the House
of Commons like it happened with Calais in the Middle Ages,
and none of this would have happened. That it was
fundamentally to treat when he called it, treat with respect
any Englishman would deserve. But the French Revolution was trying

(38:59):
to create the world anew and that's what I see
on both sides, on the right and the left, and
the left is trying to do it on this. So
here's the question before we get in one minute on
teachers High. I just gave you away how the left
is taking something that's bad it's good and just looking
bad because they say great wealth is fundamentally bad no

(39:20):
matter what you do with it. Tell me somebody on
the right, because I can give a hundred examples, but
I want you to give an example somebody on the
right who's making a similar mistake and undermining the cause
of conservatism out of the cause of everything's bad. We
just need to start all over.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Well, Chris, for as soon as I only have a
minute to do this, I'll try to make it very
very quick. There's a group of conservative Republicans, supposedly conservative
like our guy here in Louisiana, Cassidy, and they have
taken some terrible stands and it's all coming out of
their bitterness for having lost they and they were friens

(40:02):
Cassidy actually voted to impeach Trump on bogus grounds. I mean,
now I can't get into all their policies because there's
not time. But I'm just telling you. I'm just telling
you we've had some really bad Republicans who betrayed us,
who are no good and I'm glad they're going. I
hope with there any of them left, I hope we
kicked them out too. So that's what I think about
bad Republicans. Chrus for our people who's claim to be

(40:24):
conservatives and they're they're they're they're traders, they're not really conservatives.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
One last thing in the last minute, we're coming into
the show. At the end of the show. Last week,
we talked about the governor being overruled by a judge
on changing the minimum Foundation formula. He wants to cut
one hundred and sixty eight million dollars from the minimum
Foundation program to give teachers a two thousand dollars pay
raise that's permanent, and he said that has to be

(40:47):
a vote the legislature, and Hein and I both said,
you know you can't. You got to have a vote.
It's a finance bill. Well, the governor did something or
more specifically, Speaker to Villier and Senate President Henry did
something that has been done before but never challenged, and
I'm curious what the courts are going to say. They
called a remote session of the legislature, a straw vote

(41:08):
basically of legislators to vote, even though they weren't called
into session twenty abstained. They all voted. But it's going
to be a real constitutional test. Can you call people
to vote remotely online? It was careful and not actually
meet in person, and it's going to be one of
those great constitutional questions that's going to go for the

(41:29):
courts in the next couple of months and basically will
mean the difference if it's allowed as to whether starting
in the beginning of August when schools come back, teachers
will keep their two thousand dollars pay rays that got
as a temporary stipend two years ago. We'll talk more
about that in the coming weeks, and we'll give the
post election analysis next week from the Senate. Bessie and
PSC races coming out of this and next week's edition.

(41:53):
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Speaker 3 (42:36):
The folks is Chaplin. Hi mckenry, and I'm going to
tell you about our ministry, Lamb Ministries. We're an inter
city ministry with an inner city formula and focus for
inner city folks. So at this time of the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary, the fourth of July coming upon
us folks, these kids are begging for liberty and we
give it to them because we you know, the Bible
says where the Spirit of Christ is there is liberty

(42:59):
finding follow use the same quote to justify what they
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We need volunteers, we need final support, and we need
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you so very very much.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Looking for a way to celebrate the Fourth of July weekend,
come visit the Cabildo and presbyter on either side of
the Cathedral's the core of the Louisiana State Museum, where
at the Cabildo the Galvez exhibit Galvez and the American
Revolution is going on. It's a great way to teach
your kids, and teach your grandkids and teach your grandparents
about Louisiana's contribution to the American Revolution. They've got the

(43:45):
exhibit on the Marquis de Lafayette as well and his
visit two hundred years ago to New Orleans. And go
right across to the other side of the cathedrals, of
the presbyter to the Carnival collection. Who doesn't want to
see a carnival collection, especially that of the Old Illinois
and the Young Men Illinoisoys Club that's on a temporary
exhibit until next March. It talks about how Carnival helped

(44:05):
lead to the Civil Rights movement, and it's these beautiful
costumes and crowns and sets that it's only there temporarily
in the fantastic Carnival exhibit on the second floor of
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Speaker 1 (44:23):
The t shoes.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Well, folks, it's not time for us to go into
our chaplain by Bob patriotic moment where just took a
brief moment to remind you of the biblical foundations for
our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today we want
to talk about an old familiar person in this show,
and that's none other than Benjamin Franklin. He's one of
my favorites. And you know he gave a speech in Congress,

(44:46):
the Continental Congress for the Constitution, the Constitution of Congress.
After about a month of the meeting, he had been
strangely quiet, which was unusual for him, being a very
gregarious man. Finally, he tapped his cane on the floor,
and the whole win room went silent to hear the
great Franklin and hear his wisdom. They were heaven problems,

(45:06):
he said, this missed a president. George Washington was the
president of the convention. The small progress we have made
after four or five weeks close attendants and continually reasonings
with each other, that methinks it a melancholy proof of
the imperfection of human understanding. They were having a lot
of problems, folks. They couldn't get along the wall fighting

(45:27):
with one of other terrible fights. We indeed feel our
own want of political wisdom, since we have been running
about in search of it. We have gone back to
ancient history, we have studied modern governments, and yet we
can find nothing that satisfies us in this situation of
this assembly, whether the darkness that we're currently in, doesn't

(45:52):
it make sense to humbly apply to the Father of
lights to illuminate our understanding. You're talking about God in
this situation. As in the beginning of the contest with
Great Britain, we were sensible of the danger we were in,
and we had daily prayer in this room for divine protection.
This is in Philadelphia. They met there the same place

(46:12):
they met for writing the Decoration of Independence, and he
played a major role in writing the Decoration of inependence.
Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered.
All of us who were engaged in the struggle must
have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor.
Province was one word they used for God in that
to that kind providence, we owe this happy opportunity of

(46:37):
consulting Him. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend?
Or do we imagine we no longer need his assistance?
I have lived, Sir, a long time. He's very old.
He was in his eighties, which back in those days
was very old. A long time. And the longer I live,
the more convincing proof I see of the truth that

(46:57):
God governs in the affairs of men. And if a
sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is
it probable that an empire can rise without his aid.
We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that
accept the Lord build a house, they labor in Vain
that build it. I firmly believe this, and also believe

(47:19):
that without his concurring aid, we shall succeed in the
political building no better than the builders of Babel. We
shall be divided by our partial interests and become a
reproach and a byword down through the ages. And when
it is worse, mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance,
despair of establishing governments by human wisdom, and leave it

(47:42):
to chance, war and conquest. I therefore beg leave to
move that henceforth prayers, employing the assistance of Heaven and
its blessing on our deliberations, beheld in this assembly every
morning before we proceed to business, and that one or
more of the clergy of this city be requested to
officiate in that service. Well, folks, you know what the

(48:03):
finding fallows did. They began to fight about whether they
could do a prayer. It was really pitiful. It was terrible.
And finally George Washington, as they were concluding the meeting,
he said, well, I want you to know, mister Franklin,
I will be there with you for this prayer meeting
coming next Monday. And that was actually going to be
on the fourth of July. And so when George Washington

(48:25):
said that he had such influence over people, they all
showed up for it. Do you know how long they
prayed that morning? Three hours, all morning long. And you
know that every day from there on out they met
and prayed. Sometimes they prayed for an hour, sometimes they
prayed all morning long, sometimes they prayed all day long.
But they had some really big problems, they were able
to hammer out their differences, get things straight, and come

(48:47):
up with the greatest document that has ever governed mankind.
As political experts around the world have repeated over and
over again, this is a work of God, the US Constitution.
And we should thank God every day or every year,
or whenever for the great government we have because of
our great constitution. You know, when I was in the military,

(49:07):
I swore to defend not America, not politicians, not you know,
the government. I swore to defend the Constitution of the
United States against enemies foreign and domestic. Folks, Our constitution
is blessed by God. Let us never forget that. Well, now,
what about you? Are you blessed by God? You know,

(49:28):
you could be the greatest patriot, biblical pature that ever lived.
But if you didn't know God, what good does it
do you think of it? What good would it do you? Well,
I'm gonna just take a brief moment to show you
how you can know for sure that you know God. Folks,
do you know that the Bible says God loves you
with an everlasting love, And it says in John three
point sixteen, for God so loved the world that's you,
that he gave his only begotten son. That's the Lord,

(49:49):
Jesus Christ. All the way God, all the way, in
perfect God, in perfect Man. He gave his only begotten son.
That whosoever that's you again believeth in him. Well, now
what does that mean? Leave in him? Where your belief
is a two phase operation. The first phase is to
believe you can't save yourself. Your hope, it's something helps
without it destined to burning hell. You're just not good

(50:11):
enough before Almighty God. You're a total loser. I don't
care if you're the greatest person that ever lived, you're
still a loser before the perfection of your creator. So
just realize that you cannot save yourself. And the moment
you know that and you're sure of that, you just
repented and then what's left. Well, now you're free to
put faith alone and Christ alone. You're free to believe
that He did die for all your sins, was buried

(50:32):
and rose from the dead. And so the verse goes
on to say that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish,
not go to hell, but have everlasting life. Folks, if
you've never done this before, do it now. Don't wait
till it's too late. Trust Jesus right now with all
your heart, that He really did die for all your sins,
was buried and rose to the dead. When you repent,
you can let go. So then you can let God.

(50:55):
You let go of what you think you can do,
give it up. None of it works. I don't care
what you got going for you. It'll never be good
enough for God. So quit trying and just let him
do it for you. He did it for you, folks,
when he died on the cross, I mean, two thousand
years ago, and rose from the dead. If you've never
done this, do it now. Don't wait till it's too late.
Like the old country preacher said, and like the Word

(51:16):
of God says, now today is a day of salvation. Well, folks,
it's not time for us to go into our chaplain
by Bible witness on the wall, where we just take
a brief moment to remind you of the fact that
Jesus is coming back very soon. And you know, because
we talked about technology earlier the shore, I'd just like
to point out the Bible points out different technologies that
would be coming about at the end of the age.

(51:39):
Things that two thousand years ago nobody believed could happen,
like cell phones, like flying, like rapid movement around the world.
The Bible says there'd be much much rapid movement all
around the world of me. You know, the majority of
the world would be traveling all over the place. Back
in those days, you didn't travel more than five miles
from your house for your entire life. We're seeing it

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all happen now, folks. The advancements of technology to in spades.
One of the prophecies that if Jesus withheld his coming
there'd be no flesh left. Well, you know, two thousand
years ago they couldn't kill everybody on this earth. Can
they do it now? Yes? They can. It's calling that
a bomb. And we realize that Iran has been trying
very hard to pull that off as it hasn't it so, folks,
because in their belief, they believe that they all die,

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they get their seventy two versions, but that gives their
Messiah a chance to come back and save the world.
They have a very distorted view. They have to create
the howers and the terrors that actually the Bible says
only the Antichrist will do. So you see, folks, we're
getting close. We're getting close. In fact, their description of

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their Messiah is a perfect same description the Bible has
for the Antichrist. So, folks, are you ready? Are you safe?
Are you when Jesus comes back and all these terrible
things are happening? Are you going to be ready for it?
You need a bunker, You need a safe house, Jeeves said,
go in the caves and hide. Well, let me tell
you you want a safe house, you can't get a
better one. The name of the company is the Lord

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Jesus Christ. Believe in him right now, that he really
did die for all your sins, was buried in rose
of the dead, and you're guaranteed to be the safest
person going And during these troubled times that are on
our horizon right now. Well, folks, it is time for
us to go, as we're not close with them. On
Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye, and God bless.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
All the call you cREL goodbye. They think we're just wasted.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
What time.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
All three saving.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Me?

Speaker 7 (53:47):
There's time for a Creo goodbye.