U.S. Supreme Court & Curtis Robinson

Hy McHenry & Christopher Tidmore talk about the U.S. Supreme Court decision, upcoming elections, and New Orleans courts. Most importantly, we remember a dear friend who died too young, Curtis Robinson. Hy concludes the program by reflecting on the importance of the philosopher Montesquieu.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (01:03):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
With Christopher Tignall and the Roving Reporter, resident Radical Moderate
and associate editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana
Weekly dot net, and I broadcast to you folks from
the nation's capital, where I have been attending a personal
event I've talked about later, but also present for the
Supreme Court arguments over birthright citizenship. I was right outside
the Supreme Court when the lines were turned away because

(01:28):
President Donald Trump would be attending and the oral arguments.
I sat there listening to that with a set of
lawyers that came in and several of the arguments, of course,
was for those that have not followed this case too closely,
was the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment? The idea did
the Fourteenth Amendment originally mean the sons and daughters of
freed African slaves or does it mean that it was

(01:53):
anyone what it says, you know, born in the United States?
Can in other words, can people that are here illegally
be born in the United States. Various arguments have brought
up the fact that the one test case on this
was a group of Chinese immigrants that were excluded under
the law, but their ancestors were here legally in nineteen
fifty four. Law does specify that if you're born here,

(02:16):
you're here legally legally as an a legal status. And
that was the part that a lot of the news
coverage high has not particularly concentrated on the idea of
not whether this is a constitutional issue from the standpoint
of legality but whether this is a congressional issue. If

(02:40):
you noticed, there have been a series of Supreme Court
rulings since the move to a more conservative court that
when a controversial issue came up, their basic statement is, look,
it's not our responsibility to decide something that Congress should decide.

(03:01):
This happened in a couple of interstate commerce cases when
California decided to regulate you know, labeling and food standards,
and they said, well, Congress, you know whether California has
a right or not. Congress hasn't spoken on this. Congress
is what under the lass and Congress commerce between states has.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Came up with Roe v. Wade.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
That Congress, when people thinks it's not that they outlawed
or legalized abortion outlawed, they overturned the roev Wade case
because they said, look, Congress has a right to say,
you know, abortion is illegal, legal, whatever it wants to say.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
We don't have that right. Well.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I sat with a group of lawyers of the historic
Palm Restaurant in Washington, d C.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
This is one of the legendary Washington eateries.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
After opening arguments, you go in the Palm Restaurant and
that the walls are covered with caricatures of famous people
every president has eaten.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
There you see George H. W. Bush, George W.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, even Donald Trump faces of
various Washington luminaries or on the walls caricatures. All this
and the Palm restaurant will actually be closing after sixty
years in just another few months. They're supposedly going to
be moving to a new location, but I talked to

(04:16):
the manager and that has yet to be determined.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
So this was kind of a Palm restaurant.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Well, the group of lawyers that I was sitting with
at the Palm Restaurant, we're discussing this case, and they
basically said, everyone's missing the essence of this case. It's
not about whether the fourteenth Amendment is legal or illegal.
That's what the Trump administration wants it to be. But
these are strict constructionists on the court. And Neil Gorsich
came out and effectively said, wait a second, why are

(04:45):
we deciding something on an executive order when this is
an Act of Congress. So the decision is not whether,
interestingly you know what this meeting of the fourteenth Amendment.
It's the meaning of whether the president has the right
with an a executive order to make law to say
that it doesn't say this way. And this may come

(05:06):
down very easily to the Supreme Court saying, look, there's
a nineteen fifty four law that says it's citizenship at birth.
Congress is the one who determines this one way or another.
It doesn't matter what Donald Trump says, whether it doesn't
matter if it's right or wrong, dis matter of the power.
We can't comment on that because ultimately it is up

(05:28):
to Congress, and there's gonna be a lot of people
on both sides of the aisle who are very disappointed
if the issue comes out with that, because they want
a definitive issue on this, and we know Congress is
not going to change anything. It's taken almost a colossal
act of God just to be able to get even
partial budget bills through it. Right now, there's discussion of

(05:48):
the Save Act being a reconciliation bill, which means you
can't actually pass the Save Act.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
That is written. Which you can do.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Is say if you don't, for example, require citizenship papers
a birth certificate to register to vote, your state loses
x amount of money. Whereas a statutory that would say
you must have a citizenship to vote, you must have
photo ID to vote. All they can do is what
they did with highways and say, look, we can't tell

(06:17):
you can't serve alcohol at eighteen, but you lose all
your highway moneys if you don't make twenty one day age. Anyway,
the reason I'm saying all of this is I was
very disappointed in the level of news coverage because everybody's
going to the essence of is it constitutional, is it not?
What are the fourteenth Amendment means? And the truth is,
as a matter of law before the Supreme Court, none
of it mattered. It's simply a question of whether the

(06:40):
president has the right to make law for an executive order,
which frankly the Constitution says he doesn't, or Congress should
change when you have an existing law, I mean, the
president can use the executive orders when things are unclear,
or the Congress is the sole body that can overturn
a nineteen fifty four a law that defined citizenship as

(07:02):
born in the United States, regardless of the circumstances. And
if that is then we're back in trying to get
something through Congress, and we're back in a debate over
the filibuster.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Your thoughts high, Wow, wow, wow, Christopher. Yes, this is
quite a case before the Supreme Court. And you know
that Trump's appearance there is the first time and as
far as I understanding the history of the Court that
a president showed up to hear a case in the audience.
And you know, I've heard the the lip tard newscasters, ABC, NBCs,

(07:34):
you know, the whole mainslign media group have all come
on and said, Oh, it's so stupid. He doesn't even
have a place in there. He doesn't belong in there.
It's not his right to go in there. Oh really, Well,
then why do they have a special chair in the
Supreme Court from its beginning just for the president to
sit in? Folks? Yes, he has every right. He is

(07:55):
a president of the United States, and the courts knew it,
and so they provided a special her chair just for
the president. So he had every right to be there
if he wanted to. But it's interesting he's the first
president to do that. He's that interested in this case
because he knows that a birthright citizenship goes through any
Tom Dick and Harry can wander in here and claim
their American citizen by just having a baby, and it's

(08:18):
not right. You know, almost all the countries in the
world forbid this. It's just natural common sense that it
would be stupid to allow anybody come in and have
a baby and now all of a sudden they're an
American citizen. And then the defense that Katangie Brown put
up Jackson, Oh my goodness, that was one of the stupidest,

(08:39):
dumbest things I think I've ever heard. She claims that, like,
if you go to Japan and you get arrested, you're
under their jurisdiction. Therefore, you have the right to be
a Japanese citizen. And tell the Japanese that please tell
him that Justice Brown Jackson, it's scott to go down.
As I heard a lot of commentary on it, and

(09:01):
a lot of the newscasters and experts and legal experts
were saying, this woman may have been an affirmative action goal,
which means she didn't have to really pass her tests
or you know, make the grade like everybody the real
hard working people do in school. She did go to Harvard,
but so what they would give. They had a lot
of an action case. Obama was one of them. They

(09:22):
didn't have to take tests, didn't have to go to class,
and he could goof off and do whatever he want.
And he did the same thing with Columbia and so
and then they just give them good groad. You know,
they hide their grades, that's what they do. They're sealed
and you can't eve see what the grades are. So uh,
it was she one of those because either what she did,
it's got to go down is one of the stupidest
low iq uh decisions on the court or opinions on

(09:46):
the court that has ever happened. It's embarrassingly stupid. And
then or is she just that dishonest? So what is she?
Is she a dummy? Or is she aligning right? What is?
I don't know? But this is a difficult situation because
they really, to me, the wording should have been a

(10:07):
lot clearer than just coming being under the jurisdiction of
a country. And you know, everybody knows why they needed
to let the poor slaves be freed slaves to be
able to be claim all the rights of a citizen,
they're civil rights, which was right, that was right to
have that a minute and make sure they were secure
in their citizenship in America. But It was designed for
them and only them. It wasn't designed for any character

(10:30):
who came in here and claimed to be a US
that actually did was tried. I think back in the
forties or fifties maybe, and it's an unusual case, and
that is being contested now. So this is a difficult situation.
I don't know how it's going to turn out. But
let's hope and pray that wisdom gets the higher ground

(10:51):
here and and we eliminate birthright citizenship because if with that,
the Democrats are going to be able to stack and
pack and law as many Democrat voters as they can
possibly squeeze into this country. It will destroy the balance
of power. It will destroy any chance of Conservatives or
Republicans MAGA people of ever winning anything because the illegals

(11:15):
will end up taking all the elections here. That's what
the Democrats want this to be. That's why they're pushing it. Well, folks, well, Christopher,
I know you got something else exciting for us to say.
I'm looking forward to hearing it. We know we've got
a presidential race already heating up in DC. And because
you've been right there front row seat and Washington, DC,
checking all these things out tell us about the upcoming

(11:37):
presidential rates. Thank you, Christopher, well.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
As yours truly.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Christopher Tidmore is up here in the district of Columbia
right now. Some of the conversation has not been on
what's happening in the fall elections, where it seems like
the Republicans are running behind the polls in the House
and it's a fifty to fifty maybe measure.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
As to whether the GOP holds the Senate.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Everyone saying, well, how's that going to effect the coming
presidential race two years after that? And I want to
point out something that I saw that happened in mailing.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
You know, a lot of Louisianians.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Who were democratically registered received a letter recently from the
governor of Kentucky. That's quite right, because frankly, the presidential
race is on and he was trying to garner support
here in Louisiana, which will be one of the competitive
Democratic primaries quite early. His name is Andy Bashier, and
he's one of the more moderates running for president. He

(12:33):
will probably be joined by Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, definitely
by the favorite, Gavin Newsom of California. And a slew
of others. The question is what part the Democratic Party
will take. Andy Basheer is definitely on the moderate wing,
very Bill Clinton monerate. If anything makes Bill Clinton look
a little liberal, but he fits.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
In the things.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
He's elected in a very red state. You know, Trump
is onon Kentucky by almost twenty points, and he will
be contesting the Democratic primary and already trying to garner
support here in the South. Whether his strategy is similar
to al Gore in nineteen eighty eight which didn't prove successful,
which is a concentration of Southern states before you know,

(13:17):
to the expense of all else, or try that didn't work,
or it's just he's trying to have a good showing
in New Hampshire in South Carolina. South Carolina, that's another question.
Will South Carolina remained the first primary right now? Of course,
Republicans or first primaries New Hampshire, but Joe Biden changed
the rules so it would be South Carolina and created

(13:40):
a major firestorm that almost cost Kamala Harris losing New Hampshire.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Trump almost won it. That's how angry it was.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Will the Democrats go back regardless of this, folks, the
presidential race is already underway, and we're going to see
on the Democratic withside what's going on. Interestingly, we're not
hearing much on the Republican side except whether it's gonna
be jd Vance or Marco Rubio. And I think a
lot of what happens in the in the election says
that we know it's not gonna be one person.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Though we know it's not gonna be Pam Bondy.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
She got the acts this week and she's go I
think it's this is making the second major cabinet post
to be fired, and the question is how many more
will be? Trump is using the opportunity to change out
cabinet positions while he still has enough votes in the
Senate to secure his last two years.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
That much is clear.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
But his successor who he will now give the nod
to run against, and you know Trump is not going
to stand back from giving the nod to somebody that
remains far from clear.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Your thoughts, High.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, Christ more fascinating insights from you on the state
of our political world right now and certainly the presidency.
Isn't it something that of course they start this stuff
way ahead of time, And uh so, I don't know who, nobody.
He's not gonna let us give us the nod. Let's
say for his you know, preferred candidate, probably till right

(15:06):
right at the last minute. I think he tends to
do it that way. Keeps everybody all excited, interested in whatever,
and so it'll be interesting to see, you know. It's
it's amazing that the mid tell terms are so important.
They're all many of them are more kind of pass
that and more interested in than the presidential race coming
up in three years. So it'll be pretty cool and

(15:28):
interesting to see how that's gonna work out. Anyway, I
say three years about two and a half years. Well, Christopher,
it's time for us to uh find out some more
information about what's going up there in d C. I
know you must have some more good stuff for us.
So even though you're in d C, there's got to
be something going on for Louisiana right now, like our

(15:49):
closed primaries and what that's gonna do, the impact and
effect that's gonna have on us. So tell us what
you're thinking about that, Christopher. I know you got some
ideas on it. I know you're watching.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
We're roughly one month away from the closed primary for
the United States Senate and for the competitive Board of
Elementary and Secretary Education seats. This has created some confusion
and a lot of parishes here in Louisiana where there
actually are open seats on the ballot, particularly the judge

(16:21):
ship in Orleans Parish, where people don't know what's going
to happen in this judge sheet or how it's gonna work,
because there's not really competitive elections for in any of
the Democratic primaries, but you've got an open election for judge.
So what happens? How will the voting machines be set up?
How will this work? You think I'm exaggerating. I brought
this up last week. Our Clerk of Court, Darryl Lombard,

(16:46):
is giving up his position to his successor, who defeated
an election two weeks before we have this election.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
And there's currently no plan.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
If you show up and you're a Democrat, what voting
machines you're going to use? Are you going to have
a separate it does every precinct you're going to have
a separate voting machine just for Democrats, just for judge races.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
How is this going to work? Nobody seems to know.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
But it also goes to kind of absurdity, and it's
being articulated on the closed primaries.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
I have to give kudos.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
To my colleague Stephanie Grace, I've known for thirty years,
and she pointed out the most basic element. Having these
closed primaries is not only causing a lot of confusion,
it's costing over five point four million dollars extra when, frankly,
you could get together and vote, and we were doing

(17:38):
this to get rid of Bill Cassidy. Look, I've been
pretty open in the election. You know, I'm friends with
Julia Letlow and actually Donald Trump and I are on
the same board on who we're supporting. I've known Julia
for you know, since college and her husband Luke, and
I think she's.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
An exceptional candidate.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Others are supporting my friend Jeff Carreras behind John Fleming,
you know, quite a few hour behind Cassidy.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
That's great. Frankly, if you're a Republican or non.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Party no party what used to be called independent, you
can vote in this thing.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
If you're a Democrat you can't.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well you're like, uh, well, you know that doesn't seems
that's good. It's close primary in Caronto. What I'm saying
is it's created confusion when you have other things on
the ballot, which we do in a lot of other
parts of the state, millages and all this.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
And here's what it's causing.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's causing basically non turnouts of election because of people's confusion. Now,
how I'm the first one to say the idea that
we're having election closed or open in May on essentially
the weekends of jazz fest borders are it's about as
it makes about as much sense as having an election

(18:49):
in and around Marty Graus, which, by the way, we
just did.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
I mean this the whole way we do elections in
Louisiana's kind of dumb.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
But the very fact that we're spending millions of dollars more.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Just because.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
The governor of Louisiana wanted to get rid of Bill Cassidy.
He thought Democrats might vote for him. Anybody who knows
what was going on in politics knew Democrats weren'ting to
vote for Cassidy after he came back and supported Trump.
It just seems a five million dollar boondoggle that will
cause a lot of people not to vote, because if
you're a Democrat, why would you turn out there's no

(19:23):
competitive Democrat election for the Senate or for the best
ape Board. This is also affecting you know, down ticket
races across the board. And so I'm there's a bill
before Louisiana Legislature that in future elections we were going
back to close primary I mean open primaries where it's simple,
you have the election in October and the runoff if

(19:45):
nobody gets fifty in November.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
That is more democratic, little.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
D and has been an effective means for us to
run elections here in Louisiana since the nineteen seventies. It
elected for those that say it elected Jeff lann against
heavy Republican support in the first primary. So for those
that say you can't get a conservative candidate out that,
I observe how many times it's happened. So why are

(20:10):
we doing this nonsense? Why is it controversial? Why do
we have closed primaries when frankly, it's a multi it's
a five point four million dollar boondoggle.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Your thoughts high, Yes, Christophive, I've got some bold thoughts
on this, and that is that I have not really
liked this idea of eliminating the you know, the open
primaries and going to closed primaries from the beginning, but
they did it. Who knows, you know. We hear it's
about Cassidy, but it could be other reasons too. There's

(20:41):
so many things that go on in politics we know
nothing about, you know, in those closed, smoke filled rooms.
We might read about it in history a history book
five years from now, but right now, I don't know
that we really know why they're doing this. I don't
like it, though, just like you don't. I know a
lot of people who don't like it. Anyway, it is
what it is. We just have to roll with the
punches and hopefully wives their heads will prevail, or they'll

(21:04):
straighten it up and come back to open primaries coming up,
you know, soon within the next few years or whatever. Anyway, folks,
those are my thoughts. I don't know a whole lot
about it. Christopher, Thanks for bringing this up and giving
us some good insights into it. And I know you've
studied it for years. I have not. I've been aware
of it for years. I mean, you know, the whole

(21:25):
concept of an open private versus a closed primary, since
it first started back when we gave the Republican Party
a chance to have a voice in this state that
made it worthwhile to begin with. Anyway, folks, it is
time for us, about time to take a break. And
when we come back, I think we're gonna be talking
about something really cool, something really interesting. This idea of

(21:48):
merging criminal courts and civil courts. Boy, does that sound
like a wild ride. I mean, that's gonna be a rodeo.
So Christma's got some good insights on that, and we'll
hear that when he comes back. We'll be back in
just a little bit after this brief commercial break.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
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Speaker 4 (22:08):
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(22:29):
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take a look at the Cabildo and the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary exhibit of Galvez and the American Expedition.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Remember, Louisiana was very critical to the.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
American Revolution with the Galvez expeditions and those Cajuns and
Creoles and others who fought and to bring Baton Rouge, Pensacola,
the whole Gulf Coast, the so called Fourteenth Colony into
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Speaker 2 (23:04):
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going to be. INTERESTING i Mean it's going to be
a wild, ride. Folks imagine mixing criminal courts and civil.

(26:44):
Courts who is doing? That we need to find out about. It,
christopher please tell us all about.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
It you're listening to The Founder show With hi McKenney
And Christopher tidmore and, folks one of the big controversies
going on is reducing the size of judge ships In
Orleans parish that emerging the civil and criminal district courts now.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Book i'm going to be on record some of the side.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Support i'm skeptical in reducing the number of judge, ships
BUT i understand the reason why we have a smaller
population and some judges aren't really advancing their. Docket but
the other part of, IT i fully, agree AND i
think there's a good argument for doing.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
It the other, PART i fully. Agree we need.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
To merge the civil and criminal, benches not literally in
the same, building but the same budget that pays for
both of, them because that's how in most, parishes every other,
parish to be, honest we pay for our criminal justice
system by our civil. Judgments what's interesting about this bill
is it is universally and ubiquitously opposed by Every orleans

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parish elected, official including A republican Like Stephanie. Hilferdy and
the basic argument is you can't change a parish court
that is funded by a parish without the permission of that.
Parish but these are state court are.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
These are district.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Courts everywhere else it's the twenty fourth judicial district. Collists
orleans has names Of Orleans criminal And Orleans. Civil it
would also merge the two clerks into a criminal and
civil into one. Clerk Chelsea napoleon would become the new
unified clerk over the gentleman who is just elected to
be criminal clerk of court and actually runs our.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Elections that has some argument as.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well But i'm going to say that In orleans we
have two particular realities that nobody has ever.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Said, one the.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Civil district clerk not only hast civil, matters but is
also an archivist of a vast historical record that doesn't
exist anywhere, else everything going back to colonial.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Records and it's one of the greatest research.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Libraries and they've done an exceptional, job mostly through the
work Of Sally, reeves over the, generations as a sociable
archive of all of these elements and that's a huge.
Proposition it's like running a university. Library it's a huge
of things that might get ignored in criminal, court but.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
The others the orlien civil.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Court one of the reasons the Orlien Civil court is
the richest of all courts is because since it's a
civil focus, court judges aren't doing civil and criminal. Work
it's able to take on a lot of cases of
everything from maritime and mesothelioma and a lot of corporate
and personal register there because the doc is advanced and

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the judges are actually experts on corporate and civil, matters
which is interesting for a city as liberals or a
parish as liberal As. Orleans and so there are a
lot of legitimate arguments against. It But i've always been
of the, case, look you don't do something that the
people of the city don't agree, with AND i think
that's something we need to consider your.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Thoughts, High, Yes. Chris for all of the chaos and
confused in this city has had in the, past this
seems like it's just going to add a whole lot
more to. It you, know it's not worth. It and
if we the, PEOPLE i mean you said that the
people Of normans are very much against, us the majority of,
us the large majority of. Us then shouldn't we the

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people have a say here and and stop. THIS i
don't know how to stop. IT i don't know what to. Do,
uh you, Know i'm NOT i have very little influencer
understanding of our chaotic city, hall and the confusion down
there seems to be. Enormous SO i think this is
a bad. IDEA i agree with, You. CHRISTOPHER i think
it's it's not. Smart we just need to leave it.

(30:33):
Alone let the civil folks handle their. Stuff they're experts out.
It the criminal courts handle their, stuff AND i think
it's meant to be like. That so those are my. Thoughts, Anyway,
Christopher let's, see we got some more stuff we're going
to talk about. HERE i think it's time to find
out a little something about your old buddy, There Curtis,
robinson a, deer a deer, man a great man and

(30:54):
a very close friend of yours and a friend of.
MINE i had a great some great times with. Him
so but you know him really. Well y'all are bosom,
buddies and i'd like to hear what. HAPPENED i know
you up there for that you know the memorial for
him with The Press club in D. C so tell
us about, It. Christopher, please, folks.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
For those of you that listen To himI kennry And
Christopher tidmore here in The Founder show over the last thirteen,
years there's been.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
A frequent voice you've heard on this, program and his
name Is Curtis.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Robinson we lost him in a very tragic and unexpected
death quite. Recently and the new Reason i'm up here In,
washington D. C was not The Supreme court case or
the latest machinations of. Politics it was for his memorial
service at The National Press, club of WHICH i had
the privilege of being one of the eulogists along With Michael,
Tucker Matt, Moseley Jared, Michael Carl holts and his Widow,

(31:52):
michelle And Sun.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Finn And i've got to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
The loss Of Curtis robinson is the loss of a
giant in, journalism but also of a dear.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Friend for those that do not, KNOW.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
I first Met curtis when we were trying to save
the fact That New orleans was going to lose about
thirteen years ago a daily, Newspaper The. Times we can
look like it was no longer twelve years ago going
to be a daily, newspaper And curtis AND i were
thinking of ways he had created free dailies all over
The United. States at as former head of The Aspen Daily,

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news he was one of the leading newspaper experts in the,
country and it launched our friendship over the. Years he
AND i were brothers from another mother in so many,
ways and it was a great learning experience for both
me and the listeners of the.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Show for those that also have.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Heard, us we do a podcast Called Hunter, gatherers the
podcast Of HUNTER.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
S thompson's. Stories this is not an.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Accident Curtis robinson Was Hunter thompson's best friend and editor
First Hey Rube. Columns he coined the Term kingdom Of
fear for one Of hunter's, books and it was reminded
us That, hunter first.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
And, foremost for the of you that know The fear
And loathing.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
In Las, vegas was foremost a political, Reporter fear And
loathing on The Campaign trail nineteen seventy two being one
of the gst political books ever. Written curtis had a
perspective in life and he had a tone to look
at the ironies and exceptionalities of.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Life he was an.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Activist, reporter but one who never lost his roots At
appalachian in Eastern kentucky and was able to look forward
to the world and set a tone of righteousness and,
cause but also irony and. Laughter and one of the
THINGS i loved about, Him hiah AND i both, did
was That curtis could see all points of view you.
Will he never saw someone who was a direct to

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enemy unless he was someone trying to hurt. Others everyone,
else regardless of their, politics was a friend and someone
that learned from and usually have a drink in a
cigar and a wonderful occasion and talk about, ideas not
just the ideas that were permeating the cable news services
and everyone talking, about but the real ideas that were
essential to our. Culture Curtis robinson could. Do if he

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could Make Hunter thompson stay at a book signing for
two and a half hours by getting him to chev
hist drinks for he and every person who came up and,
signed he could do. Anything he once Kept Kermit ruffins
sitting for an interview.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
By sitting there Watching john John.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Wick movie Amidst curtis's shall we, say use of other.
Substances he was one of the great individuals of, writing
AND i did.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Call him the last of the great.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Great newspaper men in his obituary when an interviewed With
Kalia williams in The Aspen Daily. News to Lose Curtis,
Robinson america has lost one of its grace. Voices AND
i can tell, you with no fear of, contradiction we
have lost a dear friend who will not soon be
either forgotten or ever.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Replaced your thoughts, high.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yes, chris from our thoughts are deep and, uh in a,
sense in a state of grief for the loss of
this great, man good. Man. UH i got to know
him through. You we had him on the radio so several.
Times he was a fascinating, fellow spoke with a good
old fashioned Rich kinentucky. Accent in, fact in one of

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he AND. Jd vans could have had some good times,
together being Both Kane. Tucks, anyway he was a fascinating.
Fellow he was a good family. Man he he had
the marriage to the love of his life and raised
a good. Boy and there was just a close knit,
family a good, family you, know with real family, values
and it was such in so many, ways such an

(35:40):
interesting and like you, said he was never your, enemy
even if he's on the opposite political, side he still
want to be your friend unless, you like you, said
he was going to, somebody if the person was getting
ready to do harmed uh any you, know, anyway his, friend,
family or himself or other friends or or, anybody Then
curtis could be his. Enemy BUT i mean real. Horn

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and he had a fascinating insight and interest In. Trump Donald.
Trump he liked, him he didn't like. Him he agreed with,
him he didn't agree with. Him one thing he loved
ABOUT i mean he told me, said he's he makes
the greatest copy we've ever. Had that the newspaper, world you,
know the media. World in a, SENSE i loved and
was very indebted To trump because of all the material he,

(36:22):
gave he gives, him he still does. IT i, mean he's.
Amazing and he was. Amazed that's one. Thing he was
amazed about how Much trump could provide for the media
and so and he And trump was a wild. Ride
And curtis liked wild things like for, instance car uh Hunter.
Hunter you, Know thompson was certainly a real wild. Ride

(36:43):
and so, yeah he was. Something he. Was he was
an amazing. Guy he had an insight into so many.
Things you, know he understood The beat. Generation he understood
the end of. It Hunter thompson was the end of
the beach and put was a book ind on the
on the right side of The beat. Generation and uh
and in the you know all that was written and
produced during that. Time. Uh he was a. Fact he

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had a great insight in so many different types of,
people groups of, people, poor rich on the, left the right. Whatever.
Uh he he just had a great uh portfolio of
of people and knowledge of people and, cultures especially In,
america In. America and what an amazing. Guy he is
going to be so. Missed. Christopher i'm still in a

(37:29):
state of shock that he's going with. US i thought
he was gonna he Was. Okay we knew he had
a heart condition that that put him down for a
few months about a year or so, ago but it
looked it looked like he came out of it just
fine and everything's gonna be. Good and, UH i have
a very fond memory of, Him, uh sitting on your
in laws front porch of the garden, district having a

(37:49):
nice long chat With hunter at the end of the. Evening,
uh this had been your birthday party and we had
the best time just sitting up there talking And karen
on and remembering things and sharing things and. Whatnot, yeah
he was a great, Guy Chris, Friend oh my, goodness
what a loss For. America and, uh let's pray we
can find, another, uh you, know man like. That so He,

(38:15):
uh definitely they broke the mold on him On Curtis.
ROBINSON a great newspaper, man one of the, best so
folks by the. Way you, Know i'd say, newspaper he, did, radio,
television did it, all and but you, Know i'd just
like to think him a visiting the old fashioned newspaper man,
type the, editor the political editor or, whatever storming through the,

(38:37):
office demanding this and doing that and getting things done
and uh being very colorful and wild and crazy like he.
Was what a great guy he will be Miss thank
you for sharing this With. Christoph i'm so glad you
were able to get up there and be one of
his eulogists for that memorial that they just had IN. Dc, well,
folks it's time for us to go ahead and take another.
Break we will be back shortly and you you are

(39:00):
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Battles, well, folks we're back and it's not a toime
for us to go into our chaplain bye by patriotic
moment WHERE i just take a brief moment to remind
you of the biblical foundations of our, country Our Judeo christian,
jurisprudence and of course you listen To founder showing this
is none other then you Spend Gary baby all the Republic,
Chaplinhi Mick, henry and today we're going to talk About.

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Baron Charles Louis joseph De Sconda. Montesque he was A.
Frenchman he was considered to be one of the greatest
legal minds of his, time in fact Of european. History
he was an Authoritative french, professor, author and legal philosopher
who in seventeen forty eight wrote the highly influential Book

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The spirit of The. Laws the book greatly impacted the
formation Of american government as it was read and studied
intentionally In america throughout the. Country in reviewing nearly fifteen
thousand items written by The Finding fathers are about one
hundred of, them you, know Like George, Washington, Hamilton John, Adams, jefferson.

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Etc including their newspaper, articles, bonographs, books, pamphlets. Etc Baron
Charles montesque was the most frequently quoted source next to The.
Bible the most quoted source was The. Bible montesque's philosophy
pro allegated the idea that powers of government should be
separated to allow power to check. Power his concept of

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the three branches of, government, judicial, legislative and executive was
based On isaiah thirty three twenty. Two in, Fact James
madison said the same thing when he was writing The,
constitution for The lord is our, judge The lord is our,
lawgiver The lord is our, king meaning executive had he
emphasized the importance of separating the powers of government as
he understood men to be inherently, selfish and if opportunity to,

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provided they would accumulate more and more power under, themselves
eventually becoming. Desputs he based this understanding On jeremiah seventeen to,
Nine the hardest deceitful above all things and desperately. Wicked
who can know, it, Folks we don't even know how
bad we really. Are and you, know like they all
saying that power, corrupts and absolute power. Corrupts, absolutely that's

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another way of saying what he was saying right. Here
in seventy forty, eight in The spirit of The, laws
he wrote The christian, religion in which orders men to
love one another no doubt wants the best political laws
and the best civil laws for each, people because those laws,
are after The christian, religion the greatest good that men
can give and. Receive, folks again from book twenty. Four

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in The spirit Of, Laws montesquieu also, Wrote i've always
respected the. Religion the morality of The gospel is the
noblest gift ever bestowed By god on. Man we shall
see that we owe To christianity in government a certain political,
law and in war a certain law of, nations benefits
which human nature can never sufficiently. Acknowledge the principles Of,

(43:42):
christianity deeply engraved on the, heart would be infinitely more
powerful than the false honor of, monarchies than the humane
virtues of. Republics are the servile fear of despotic. States
it is A christian religion, that in spite of the
extent of empire and the influence of, climate has hindered
despotic power from being established In, ethiopia which was happening

(44:05):
at that. Time you, know the muscles were trying to
take it over and establish a cruel, dictatorship and has
carried into the heart Of africa the manners and laws Of.
Europe The christian religion is a stranger to mere dyspotic.
POWER a despot is like a you, know an absolute
monarcha king with unlimited. Power the mildness so frequently recommended

(44:28):
in The gospel is incompatible with a despotic rage with
which a prince punishes his subjects and exercises himself in
cruelty a direct quote from. Him society must repose on
the principles that do not change The Holy, bible The
word Of, god. FOLKS i think our finding fathers wanted

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to make sure we Kept god in, government especially if
they were so enthusiastically influenced By. Montesquieu what an amazing,
Man what a blessing to this country that we had
such a great man like, that and you know he
keeps Folks he kept mentioning The gospel and the importance
of it because of the gentle, nature and that we're
redeeming power of it and the overall righteousness and goodness of.

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It and that's what we needed as as the end
upining influence On american. Government don't you wish our courts
would do that? Now don't you wish all legislators would
do that right? Now don't you wish that we've always had,
good strong presidents who would have done, that but you
know we. Haven't and right, now it's really interesting to
see how the with this recent work with A Supreme
court over birthright citizenship and and and and then also

(45:37):
how they're trying to eliminate proof of citizenship to. Vote,
uh it's, just you, know that's how you get. Dictatorship
that's how you get you, know they're saying no. Kings,
well that's how you get a king with what The Democratic.
PARTY i didn't want to go into politics right, now
But i'm, sorry that's WHAT i see. Folks, uh take.
Note he kept talking about The gospel and and the

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and the depth of sin of the human home art
which cries out for. Redemption and so because of, that
it is perfect timing now for me to go into
my chaplain bye bye gospel, moment which is like a
brief moment to show you how you can know. That
you know, that you know when you, die you're going to.
Heaven you, say from my burning, hell don't you want?
THAT i sure want. THAT i wish everybody would want.
THAT i wish everybody could see the importance of. It you,

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know your time on this earth is. Short i'm. Sorry
it comes and goes. Quickly it's like The bible, says
it's like a breath of, wind and it really. Is
at my age nine seventy, FIVE i see that more
clearly than. Ever and one day you young'uns will be there,
too and you'll see it as all older people i've
noticed agree with. This it's you, know your days here
are going to be over with one, day and that's

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not may not be too far. Away The i'm watching
my good, buddies FRIENDS i grew up, with dropping on
me right and left all. Over we just Lost Curtis.
Robinson it's amazing to see how death comes to. All you,
know no one gets out of here. Alive Even jesus
didn't get escape this planet. Alive he had to pass

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through death like we all. Do and, folks on the other,
side this is a world that's more real and more
important than anything you'll ever know on this. Earth you
think you know reality here because you can see and
touch and feel things and all. That that's, True but
there's going to be reality on the other. Side there's
going to be so much more, vivid so much more,
real so much more powerful than anything you've ever known

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on this. Earth and you're going to. REALIZE i wish
i'd remember there would be an eternity if you went
the wrong. Way let's say we want you to go
to the right. Way god wants you to go the right.
Way the right way is to understand how Great god's love.
Is for you to also understand how great your sin.
Is you, Know montesquie quoted the scripture there In jeremiah
when he says the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked

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above all. Things who can know? It you don't, KNOW
i don't. Know none of us really realize how great
our sin. Is the depths of evil we have it in our,
hearts how dark our hearts. Are and you, KNOW i
think that's a blessing For. God if he let us
see what he sees in, US i think the shock
would do us. IN i don't think we can handle.
It it would overwhelm us if we really saw how

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bad we really. Are So god shows mercy and kindness
and only lets us see some of the darkness enough
to wake us up and make us Want god's, Righteousness christ's.
Righteousness and so you can get it anytime you want to,
say laid out waiting for. You all you need is
the faith of a little. Child The bible, says you,
know The bible, says For god so loved the, world that's,

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you that's. Everybody that he gave his only begotten. Son
that's The, Lord Jesus, christ Perfect, god perfect, man all
the Way god and all the way. Man he gave
his only begotten. Son that whosoever that's you, again believeth in?
Him what does that? Mean believeth in? Him let me
expand on. That when it says believe in. Him there

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are actually two beliefs you have to. Have the first
belief is what leads you to the second. Belief that's
why you can't have one without The the first one
is called. Repentance it is part of your belief. System
it's when you believe that you're hopeless and helpless Without,
god that you're destined to a burning, hell that you're
a complete and total loser before your. Creator when you

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come to that, point you've just. Repented it's not an.
Action it's not none of your righteousness or good things
you can. Do it's not turning from your, sins or
repenting of your, sins or all these good things that
many times preachers and people will tell you is. Required
none of that is. Required if you do, that that's
going to put you in. Hell because you're trusting in your,

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righteousness and the scripture, says all of your righteousness is
his filthy ranks Before. God the only Righteousness god accepts
for your entry into heaven is his son's. Righteousness yours means.
Nothing you're nothing but a loser with your, Righteousness so forget,
it give up on. It it doesn't. Work which you
need is a righteousness Of. Christ and when you believe

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you can't save, yourself and you're totally convinced of, that
then there's only one thing left to. Do put faith,
alone In christ, alone to believe That he really did
die for all of your, sins as a scripture, says
what all of, them from the day you're, born in
the day you, die you tie ins your great, sins
and that he was buried and that he rose from the.
Dead according to the, scriptures, folks the moment you believe

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that you've just become a child Of god and you're
going to heaven when you, die And god guarantees it to.
You jesus, said my father puts you in his, hand
and then he, Says i'll put you in my. Hand
god's got a double grip on. It you'll never get away.
From Thank, god you're guaranteed heaven no matter what the
moment you make that child like choice to believe That

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jesus is the only way that he died for all your,
sins was better and rose in. Dead the rest of
the word says that who server believeth in him WHAT
i just told, you who's server believed in him shall not,
perish but have everlasting. Life if you've never done this,
before do it. Now don't wait till it's too, late.
Folks the scriptu, says now today is the day of.
Salvation and so, FOLKS i hope and trust you'll see

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this and do. It believe That jesus really did die
for you and rose in the. Dead it is now
time For and by the, Way Curtis robinson told me
he understood. That on the front porch that night in
The garden. District we had a good little talk about all. That,
anyway and you, know of, course he grew up in
a good old fashioned Country baptists background and way up

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in the mountains In, kentucky so he had a good
background for. It but, anyway, folks the last thing we're
going to talk about now Is jesus coming, back because
he's coming back. Soon he's coming, back really. Soon all
the signs are. Here there's so many, signs, folks, earthquakes
wars and rumors of. Wars pastilen, Says israel back in the.

(51:39):
Land the ability of man to destroy himself in a
day that couldn't have happened two thousand years. Ago but
that's one of the. Prophecies they're just they're over two hundred.
PROPHECIES i can't you, Know i've told you this. BEFORE
i can't go over them all right, now but they're
overwhelming and the key to all these, problems the key
to understanding his. Return his soon return is he, said

(51:59):
when you see all of these things happening at the same,
time Then i'm at the. Door i'm even at the.
Door that means he's coming back really. Soon and the
scripture says if he delayed his, return there'd be no flesh,
left which means they couldn't explain that two thousand years.
Ago they could explain it one hundred years. Ago but
now With Adam, boum we, know, yeah that's. True that's very.
True you certainly could kill everybody this. Earth you couldn't

(52:22):
have done it known how to do it one hundred years,
ago but they certainly know how to do it. Now, so,
FOLKS i hope that you will be looking For jesus
because he says that you get a special reward in
heaven if you're really looking for his, Return i'm looking for.
It don't you want that extra? Reward you still go to,
heaven but how about some more extra rewards in. HEAVEN
i like. That god's got so many good things for, Us, lord,

(52:45):
folks if you just trust him and remember he's coming back.
Soon oh IF i just had time to get it
would take me hours, though to give you all the
signs and that are, there and they're they're all, there
the signs in the heaven least everything you, know the
UFOs of this THAT i could go on and on and.
On there's so many, things, earthquakes everything That jesus said was,
coming and that The bible says we're coming over to other.

(53:07):
Prophecies it's all been done except for about two. Things
and they're about ready to happen because they're already on
the drawing. Board so, folks it is time for us to.
Close we close them with a Mind Saint martin singing
A creole, goodbye And god bless all we call you cREL.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Goodbye they think we're just wasted the. Time put me all, Three, siby.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
There's time for A creo.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Goodbye