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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White,
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Return refreshed and refue at Clark's Pumping Shop. Let's get
to the big ass fans hotline because Dennis has been
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so patient to hold on.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sorry about that, Dennis.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm sure you're listening to the show, and Jeff got
a little bit long winded on us.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Well, I'll tell you, Anthony, if you hadn't asked me
to hold on, I was getting ready to hang up.
That was a long segment.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
What do you got for us, my man?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
First of all, I agree with Jack on the expertise.
You know, fans are really of course, you know, reasonably.
I agree with Jack, but uh, but that's my expectations
as a whole, you know, as fans out here. If
you go to social media, I mean seven and six
ain't gonna do it anymore. But I mean this year, yeah,
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I think this year. Yeah, you want to be starting
to me me want you want? You want to see
Stukes building back and be at least five hundred, that's
my goal as a program. But at least you want
to see him building back. So I totally agree with
what Jack said. If you if SEC goes nine games,
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that the Louisville game has to go with it. It
has to go away. Number one, how much revenue are
they going to share? How much revenue is you an't
gonna lose when we're playing at Louisville?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right yere.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A bunch?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You got? You?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I mean you can. You can't if you go to
nine SEC games and there's twelve games. You you you
you got to have three guarantee on games? Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You got so you can't lose that revenue plus the
size of it of you're already facing nine bears in SEC.
I'm not saying that louis was gonna be a Bear
every year, but to me, it's just common sense financially,
that game has to go away, period. What you And
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as far as my concern is, I don't know how
the starting five is gonna be on O line. That's
yet to be determined. But my concern is, which I
read an article from ks R. Yes, they which is
exactly they go out and they get whether they signed
five or six, they get five or six out of
as out of the transfer portal. On the line, well,
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they have injuries. I mean, they don't have any kind
of death. It doesn't matter that you went out got
five or four or five players in a trashford portal.
If you ain't built, no death, I mean that's me.
That that's me. That's that's really the biggest question mark
one to this season is the death on.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The Olne Well, Dennis, I appreciate the call. Thank you
for that call. And Dennis was the first one. I
guess that really I didn't think about that part of
you know, the schedule. I just thought that every team
across the country, and I think they've maintained no matter
how many changes jack have been made in the country,
most conferences have kept most rival games. And that was
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my concern about losing the Louisville game because every uh
what they call that rival rival weekend when everybody plays
uh they're in state or cross state or border state
rival at the last week of the season. Man, it's
just there's just so much build up, and I guess
you do lose the revenue from when you're doing a
home and home with another team, But I didn't think
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of that. Is that more important than keeping the just
the rivalry up, Jack Pilger.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I see, I see both sides with it, Like I
understand the the toughness of the schedule and you know,
the fighting against the nine you know, nine game gauntlet
in the SEC. I understand the vision there while also
acknowledging that, you know, there are some people that say,
you know that acquitter's mentality, you're supposed to welcome any
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and all challenges, while as you know, saying well, there's
a lot of money to be made by scheduling some
of these cupcakes in the home you know those things,
while also acknowledging that that Louisville game is sacred to
us in this fan base and knowing that that's, you know,
something that we want to sustain as long as possible.
And it's a very difficult conversation. I did, you know,
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appreciate the messaging from you know, both Mitch Barnard and
Mark Stew's the past week talking about that while saying, hey,
I know, it's kind of a controversial thing to say that,
you know, other others are kind of pushing.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
For this nine nine game at Sea Slate.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
We prefer eight, while also wanting to keep this Louisville
game because we understand it's it's important. So I don't
envy the decision makers that have to kind of navigate
this new era and how we're we're doing these things.
But I do think that that's probably the best path
forward to you know, maintain the revenue stream, maintain this rivalry,
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and you know, hopefully continue to stack wins as they're
able to come. It's tough to talk about right now
given the current health of the you know, Kentucky football program.
Maybe my mind changes a little bit if we're back
to you know, steam rolling, But I just don't don't
know if we're they're right right now.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Larry, Well, do you have a stance soon because Dinnis,
Like I said, until Dinnis brought that up, I didn't
think about the revenue portion of the Louisville game. Uh,
And it wasn't really so much about the rec to me,
it was just about the excitement of the rival. Do
you think the revenue is more important than excitement?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Of the rival.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yes, I mean, well, let me put that to me. No,
but if I'm running the school, if I'm the administrator
and trying to pay the bills, Yeah, because I think
right now, sometimes you have eight home games because you
have four SEC games and four non conference games. If
you go to a nine game SEC schedule, you could
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have five away games every other year, and if Louisville
is one of the teams you're playing, you would have
and that was the year to be away there. You
could have six away games in a year. So then
you only have six home games. That'd be a huge
revenue loss. So I can understand if that. I think
then I said, if that happens Kentucky, you'll have no
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choice but to go to somebody other than Louisville for
that other game.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That makes sense. I get you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And the other thing that was then discuss coming out
and his questioning or his questions Jack he thinks that
we have to go at least six and six, And
it was skimmed over earlier in the show when it
was brought up that ESPN has US six and six,
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a couple of teams five and seven, but had us
like at five hundred, where everybody wants us to be.
And here's here's my concern, Jack, that six a six
and six Kentucky team could be the case. And as
we stated last week on the show, the Old Miss
team that we beat last year has not done anything
to improve to improve their situation tremendously. Now, ESPN and
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sports writers probably look at Kentucky's team, what they've gained
and what they lost, their strengths and weaknesses. They look
at every team in the conference probably and they can see.
I think one thing about our fan base. And I
don't know if this is you, Jack, but our fan
base looks at our record from last year, what we lost,
what we brought in. Just give the eye tests on
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what we have here. Yet they don't know what the
other teams have. And Jeff and all that that those
words that he was spewing, he didn't seem to have
a whole lot of confidence in Tennessee. So I'm just
kind of no one's given us six and six. But
are we not giving us six and six because we
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were four and eight last year? Or are we not
giving us six and six because the SEC has gotten
stronger and we've gotten weaker.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I think it's absolutely because of four and eight last year.
I think it's a rock bottom mentality because the program
did hit rock bottom. It was a total systems failure
with culture, with you know, bringing in prima donnas and
guys that only cared about their nil checks instead of
winning football games. And it was that Kentucky lost its
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heartbeat with what everything that Mark Stukes stood for as
a head coach, as a blue collar guy, is a guy,
you know, youngstound, tough, all of those things. I was
a weak minded soft football team in program last season.
And I think that's kind of where the pessimism comes from.
It's like, okay, it's it's it's all, yes, we totally
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understand that it's a new roster and it's a rebuilding,
and it's so many other teams went through similar rebuilds
and it's the portal era. Everybody has a ton of turnover.
But when you kind of hit a lull the way
this program did while acknowledging the other kind of financial
struggles with nil revenue and you know, it's not having
the backing that some of these other SEC juggernauts have,
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it kind of feels like, well, what does regain momentum?
Look like for this program, how do you find it?
And it does just kind of have to come from
an organic kind of how did we start this whole
process by kind of getting in the trenches and focusing
on the big blue wall and kind of having that
bring your lunch pale to work mentality that last.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Year's group clearly didn't have.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
In the years before that clearly didn't have. So I
think it's just kind of a combination of all those
things that you know, you just got to have to
see it to believe it to you know, Yes, six
six wins, I think is an absolute starting point where
fans can say, Okay, that's something to build upon.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's something that we.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Can say, okay, six wins now, but show me eight
the year after, or you know, just continued growth and
signs of life. So I think it's a little combination
of all of it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And Larry Vod Dennis also brought up he was concerned
about the offensive line depth. I'm not certain unless and
this is one thing we talked about on the show
for a while as well, Unless we're going back to
the rotation of offense line, I'm not certain, And that
may be where the optimism is coming from Bush and
the and Wolford and those guys. Maybe we are going
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to the rotating offense line, so we may need seven
or eight deep so that in that case injury doesn't
bother you. But the fact that he's kind of concerned
about the depth is we're not really rotating them. And
I worry about that water. I worry about that water
under the bridge when we get there. But it's at
this point he's just watering the bridge. Well, are you
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concerned that we don't have depth?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
You'd like to have some depth this, I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
When you're saying some, what do you mean some? Some
or none? There's guys there.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Everybody has depth, just matter whether you use depth.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, Dennis is concerned about it is if they're not
proven or some of the guys that were already here
are moved to the back seat when we're bringing new
But we just discussed at a quarterback, running back, I
mean not so much receiver because we just had attrition
at receiver. But so he's concerned that the guys that
were there were moving back and bringing in new guys.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
You don't bring transfers in to develop on bring them
into play.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, Are you concerned though, that's the question.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, obviously I'm concerned about the depth. Well, I'm at
I'm concerned about the depth at every position.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So you know, more concerned about the depth offensive line
than any other position. Yes, more concern That's what Dennis think.
So I think you more concerned is if this offensive
line with these new pieces doesn't work out, what are
we going to have to he says, injury or whatever.
Who knows, like we have to go to a second
string or what we lose where we lose traction?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I would say yes, but most teams in the country
would lose traction when they lose key starters. That's why
they're starting right.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, let me ask you two questions and we're going
to break because you really irritated like poison ivy.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Listen, scratch.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Do you remember in nineteen ninety five who the starting
running back was at Kentucky University of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
That was before you right, that was my redshirt year. Yeah,
I was not playing.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Not on the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You will know when I tell you, Well, no, you
won't know. It was Ray McLaurin.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Okay, yeah, because he's going to help a crew cheer.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Do you know who the starting running back was the
whole entire season more Williams.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Oh, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, okay, So do you know who the starting running
back was in nineteen ninety six redshirt? Yeah, R twos No,
it was ray mc laurin, Raymond claur Okay, and I
was removed from ten point being is I was a backup.
I was a backup. I was a backup at some
point and you and so when people always say, well
the second stringer is no, I've been a backup quite
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quite a few times in my career. I never felt
as if I didn't deserve to be there. And most
of the time, when I got an opportunity, I thought
I I thought I accomplished the task I was set
out to accomplish. So when people don't give backups enough credit,
sometimes they got to be thrown in the right situation.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Yeah right, they hadn't had a chance to show what
they can do exactly. But they do have unproven depth.
I think as a concern because until you see it,
we don't know. Now, the coaches make no difference because
they get to see them. I mean, you may we
don't talk to andwir and he might say, oh, man, Anthony,
they got some dogs and that's second offensive line this way.
Do you get a chance to see them play? Well,
we haven't got a chance see them yet.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I'll give you that nice clean up, nice pickup. We'll
continue this conversation after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I mean
Anthony White, along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim. Stockyards
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your banking and financial needs. Jack Pilgrim, I was just
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catching up on some Twitter conversation and everybody's talking about
Fan Day, and you know, we've been talking about our
football team and record expectations for him. But everyone seems
to think that there's been a this fan base had
this fan Day had a different vibe. Said the team
was more lively, Mark stops with more outgoing. Seems like
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the guys were happy to be participating. Is you think
this is something that that you is remarkable, something that
you remark about, or you just kind of feel like
after Foreign eight season, and I think everything keeps coming
back to is just happening because of a Foreign eight season.
Has a culture really changed? Are the guys really bought
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back in or the guys really motivated, or you know,
maybe they got a bad taste in their mouth they
had to reset as well. But there's a common theme
on social media that fan day was there's a lot
of more energy that the guys stuck around for more
or more interview or more autographs and which I didn't
know that guys would leave early, but I do know
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sometimes public relations may make them leave just because you know,
they have other obligations. But that's the common themes, Jack pill.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I do, I really do think that there's a you know,
a level of buy in and just kind of backs
against the wall. Like I do feel that Stoops feel
slighted that you know, and this has been traditionally where
he's been at his best, where people doubt him and say,
you know, you you.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Can't do this.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
You're taking on like when you first got here to
you know, taking on what was deemed an impossible job
that nobody can win here at you know, more than
you know just you know, typical. You hope for the
best with bowls and anything beyond that is icing on
the cake. And he goes, you know, two ten win
seasons and you know, top recruiting classes and things that
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we never really thought possible. Yes, we hit a lull,
Yes we hit rock bottom, lost our identity, lost our culture.
But it does kind of feel like the slights and
the you know, I we kind of wondered if he
liked the motivated Mark Stoops kind of meme that has
come from this offseason, and it kind of hearing through
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the grapevine that he doesn't like it, and it is.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Something that kind of rubs him the wrong.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Way and kind takes it as, Oh, you guys can't
think I'm I can do that. You guys don't think
I can do this. You think I'm not capable of
doing this? Okay, we'll see, you know, And that kind
of juice is something I do kind of feel has
been missing. And you did kind of get that vibe
talking to people that were at Fan Day and people
that saw open practice on Friday after media Day and
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things like that. So they're saying all the right things,
they're showing some of the positive signs. But as Larry
and I have said that for weeks now months now,
that we are in a show me, don't tell me stage.
We can believe the hype, we can feel good about it,
we can see think things are trending in the right direction.
But the only thing that matters is August thirtieth, when
Tleda takes the field at Crokerfield. I think that's just
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the only we got to see them take care of
business and actually see it with our own two eyes
once things kick off on August thirtieth. Until then, it's
just noise. It's just you know, it just kind of
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Larry, what you've been to a lot of fan days
the FA base to feel that, you know, most of
the fans have been to a lot of them. I
haven't been to. I've probably been to two that I
wasn't involved in as a as a player, so I
don't have a whole lot to e gauge it against.
But when the fans start noticing that, wow, these guys
are more excited. Because I always had a good time,
so I always played with the kids, throw the football around,
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and always did all those things. But I think it's
become more commercial over the years where public relations or
media relations has their hands involved. You can stay this long,
they got you separated, roped off, and I see I
didn't like when they got to the whole roped off
thing and everybody had a wait in line. But what
do you take from you know, the social media people
saying that, you know, the vibe is different, they feel
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more energy, they feel more engaged.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Well, as I told you, I thought even in media day, guys,
the guys that were asked to stay for interviews, and
that was who the media requested out, who media relations
picked out. But the guys that stayed were very relaxed,
very outgoing, very informative. Chat chatted a lot, and it
just seemed very relaxed with what they were doing and
enjoy it. And not everybody always enjoys media day. I mean,
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you know some players that just didn't like it at all.
All these guys seem to really enjoy it. And everybody
I talked to that went to fan Day, I mean,
I've had all kinds of people send me pictures and
comments and all that they saw this player, this player
took a picture with their kids, They got the autographs
all like that, So I think everybody is I think
I would kind of go back to what they have
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been telling us about the culture of this team. Got
a lot of good guys and just kind of understand
what it means to be here and want to be
here and wanted to interact and do things with fans. Now,
how does that translate the winning You could be the
greatest guy in the world and July and August and
we'll love you to death. You go out there and
miss four tackles, drop three passes, or throw six interceptions.
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I don't think we're going to care how many autographs
you signed at fan Day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That is true, Jack Perry, we got about thirty seconds.
But I did want to get you a take because
this was There was speculation on Barnhart speaking Friday about
the revenue sharing, and he didn't dodge any answers. But
did I don't know if you saw his statements. I mean,
I mean he answered it, but he yeah, he didn't
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dodge it, but he didn't really give you a whole
lot of information.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Are you cool with that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And I think he said what we've kind of said
on this show, and it just kind of what the
speculation has been behind the scenes that a they don't
want that information out there. There are other schools that
are releasing what the percent specific percentages and the numbers
are for each individual school with the sport with the
rev share. Kentucky does not want that information out while
also acknowledging that he's you know, it's going to be
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split between six sports and the three kind of major
head coaches, if you will, are kept in the loop
and know feel pretty confident with with men's basketball, women's basketball,
and football that things are the money is where it
needs to be, and they like, you know, everybody feels
good about the others sports. It doesn't feel like one
is slighted or you know. So there's those reports that
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the basketball program was making infinitely more than the football
and that that football is gonna be slighted.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
All those things were not true.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
So uh yeah, I think I think it don't don't
have any gripes about anything. Mitch Barharer had to say,
I see it as a competitive advantage for them to
know and everybody else to find out.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That is Jack Pilgrim, we will continue this show. On
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Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
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talking about a fan Day open practice Kentucky football open practice.
At the top of our we have Dominika Parova, UK
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Women's basketball guard will be coming on with us at
eleven o'clock, but in the meanwhile, we are still talking
some takeaways from Fan Day where we saw open practice.
If you'd like to join the show. Eight five nine
to eight zero two two eight seven eight five nine
to eight zero Cats. Larry Vaught, we were talking about
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with Jack Pilgrim before we went on to break the
Mitch Barenhart's portion of the media day when he addressed
some of the situations as far as the revenue sharing,
the scheduling, and there was guess there's some speculation that
he may try and avoid the question or trying to
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talk around it, but he went directly at it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And maybe he's the smartest guy in room.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Maybe not, I don't know, but it is smart to
not answer the question based off of giving your opponents
across the board, not just all across the board, letting
them know where you're puting your money.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And they're going to use that against you.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Then yeah, but why would other schools do it?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Or did he find out something or is it just
something he really didn't want to discuss, because he did
say and you and you and I have I think
agreed on this that the coaches are happy with the allocation.
He's not going to discuss how it was allocated, but
the coaches are all happy how it was allocated.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah, it's still the whole situation is still puzzling in
so many ways for me. As I told you, Mitch
talked about that last year they had six hundred and
fifty athletes on the rosters. They're going to have more
scholarships to give this year with the way things are
going or revenue sharing money, but because of NCAA roster limits,
they only have about five hundred and thirty student athletes
UK this year and how that disappointing him that there's
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nothing he could do about it because roster limits are
now set in stone. Baseball, for instance, will have whatever
percentage of the revenue sharing they get, but they're going
to go from less than twelve scholarships either twenty three
or twenty four. But they have a roster limit of
thirty three. But everybody on their thirty three man roster
limit now will either be on some scholarship money or
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on revenue sharing money, so they may not have to
have as much because they got more scholarship money. It's
just so many different pieces of the puzzle, and I
was interested to see that he did confirm that from
year to year it could change. You might give football
a certain amount of money one year and then they've
got a lot of gas coming back and they're set,
you know' to give them as much the next year,
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and you give more to somebody else than in three
years get to load back up on foot. So I
guess it's just going to be something that you wouldn't
want to put out there because it's going to change.
Even talked about it could change from semester to semester
how you're allocating the money and whatever. So it's just
a fascinating world to me that we live in now
with all this going on, the money that you've got
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to spend and allocate at all, I don't get it.
I would like to be setting in if it's a
really high profile recruit right now and listen to how
those negotiations go, whether you talk about playing time or money.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, And I don't I'm not really surprised by the
limit and the caps on UH rosters and things like that,
because I mean, any business you have, you have to like,
for instance, if just like in football, I didn't know
there was a limit on how many people you can
have on the team now was.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Before what there is now? There's gonna be a limit
of one o.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Five Yeah, because you have to know how many people are.
You got to know how many people are gonna be
accounted for with the funding. Otherwise there's there's there's an
opportunity for embezzlement and all kinds of other stuff, if.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I remember what he said correctly too. The SEC is
sticking with eighty five scholarships for football, but other schools
could go to the full one hundred and five scholarships
or football if they want to other conferences, other conferences.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I was told that a long time ago that
they opted out of giving unlimited or whatever Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
So what Kentucky can do that I didn't know. Now
they'll be able to. You don't have to give somebody
a full scholarship. You could have sixty five full scholarship
and forty players on half scholarship. That would be your
eighty five scholarships and your one hundred and five roster limit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, why does that? Why does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Though?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Because it really football has always been just a full
scholarship or I think, whereas baseball and softball and some
of those you could give the forty percent scholarship seventy
percent scholarship or whatever. I didn't realize they had changed
it now where you could do that in football also.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, because if it if it's revenue sharing, that just
if you give half halves, would wouldn't that be essentially
a walk on kind of we're gonna we'll gonna pay
half for half of your schooling. Where as walk on,
you didn't pay for any.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Of it, right, but you could you could understand it.
Now you'd be able to give half a scholarship to
somebody and then give them revenue sharing money to finish
paying for what they have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Makes sense. So that's why the extra people can be
on there. Set of eighty five men.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
They'll have one hundred and five roster limits. So but
it's gonna be fascinating to see. Here's one thing that
Brad White said that I wanted to ask you about,
and he said that this year the defense has got
a whole bunch of pieces that could make maybe really
make a cool puzzle. But he said in years past
they've had six to eight guys they would always count
on to play about seventy five percent of stamps on defense.
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This year, that's not the way it's going to be.
You're gonna get some guys that will play about thirty
forty percent and then then go all out. Then you
gonna bring somebody else in. He said they'll play over
twenty guys, a lot of snamps this year on defense
all the time. He said, it won't be a defense
he just plays twelve thirteen guys, maybe fourteen. They're going
to play twenty or more and just kind of wants
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you to go all out for as long as you can,
then they're gonna roll somebody else right in there, no
matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, you find that surprising.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Yeah, because usually you have some guys who don't come
off the field.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, I think Chris Collin's kind of talked about when
we had him on there, just I think the growth
and he's talking about people being and there's Chris is
second to third year that people have been in the
program a little while. I do know that there were
certain points they were handcuffed a little bit that certain
people can't be on the field because your packages get
too small if they don't have the flexibility to cover
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or you know, rush or play different positions or play
out of position. So certain personnel can only play certain plays,
so your playbook is smaller on the defensive end. But
Chris spoke about it, and I spoke some other coaches about
you know, I've always gave Brad White credit for, you know,
not putting his defense in compromise position. But if the
guys aren't versatile or flexible enough to do certain things,
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then he's handcuffed on what he can call on defense.
So I think that's been something they've been intentional about
getting guys to be in the playbook more to learn
more positions to how many people have they moved from
position to position because they've gotten flexible. So because they
move Afari into the box doesn't mean he's still not
capable of doing the things he did with his outside
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of the box. So there's certain plays where he can
line up a safety or as they call it, a rover,
where you kind of go wherever you want to go.
He can line up on the edge and do things.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
But if he's your best lineback and now you're only
going playing forty percent of the time, what is.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Forty times one hundred percent effort? Then you sold fifty
percent effort is in this conference? Is and that that
that just means you only got to come off the
play for or come off the field for a minute
or a play or two, then put you right back in.
But you might but I think more of what he's saying,
you're not losing We're not losing any steps by taking
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them off the field for two plays.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
That's what that's what he's saying. So I mean, we'll see,
but that's a different concept than your fast Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, And I think we got burned a little bit,
and it keeps coming up. Now all of a sudden
that a lot of people on the defense had injuries
or guys we expected to show up that didn't show
up where they were playing through this injury. I played
with jeffsn Netger's played with a messed up shoulder the
whole Billy Jack Haskins have played with messed up shoulder.
I played with messed up like there, and it's not.
(30:02):
It becomes an excuse at the end of the year,
once you go four and eight or your your draft,
that it drops. But I always say, and I've told
you this for years, and it's happened a lot of times,
if somebody has a bad season, something happens at the
end of the season. Oh yeah, he had a uh
well no, I'm not gonna say a bad season. But
then I live up to expectation. Well, we didn't want
to say anything, but he was fighting through this. There's
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no player if you're an SEC Larry vaugh and you
do not have an injury or you were not bruised
up or banged up somewhere. You either were on the
sideline or you or you hide from contact.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
I think that's almost true even in high school. And
then if you if you're playing at a good program
and you play as the season goes on, you're gonna
have bumps and bruises and be banged up and hurt.
I mean I heard just getting out of bed sometimes now,
But I mean I think when you play a sport
like that, you're gonna play hurt. What do you guys say,
you play her or you play in You can play her,
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but you can't play injured. Is that what you're thinking, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're injured or you hurt. Yeah, if you're injured. If
you if you hurt, you can play. If you're injured,
you got to go to the get medical attention.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Okay that's what I thought. So so the majority guys
play hurt, correct.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, every everybody plays hurt. That's the whole point. You
can't play if you're not. I mean, there's no you
you explain. You can explain to me how you can
be on the football field in the sec and not
be hurt. If I punch you an on right now,
is it gonna hurt?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yes? Doing that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So if you say you a Kentucky your average team
you run seventy plays a game.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
So out of seventy plays.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
None of You're not gonna You're not gonna touch anybody,
nobody's gonna hit You're not gonna hit anybody.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yeah, so in line and I don't know how they
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah yeah. And like I said, that they're banged up.
But that was the whole point I was making. I
think a lot of people played last year, and I'm
gonna be completely honest with you, I think it was
more on more because of nil and and some of
those things that they had to participate. There is so
much money invested in some of these players that they
had to stay on the field because I was the
investment made from n I L And like I said,
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at the end of the season, you start to find
out some of these players were hurt, and I think
Brad White, maybe Bush, maybe coach Stupke's kind of felt like, man,
look they're calling for my head now. Man, we don't
want to make that mistake again. So I do think
that the guys being injured may have The injuries may
(32:26):
have played a part. But I think to answer your
question about them staying on the field so much was
based off of an il and investment made.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
To you say, too much to take them off.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, other people couldn't get on the field, so I
think they fixed that. I think Brad White knows. I
think Mark Steups is probably in line with it. Yeah, man,
you know whoever's getting paid. And I think I don't
think we're paying guys like we paid them before. I
don't think we have those three or four five guys
that are making way more than everybody else in their rooms.
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So I think that kind of even is the playing
field and everybody, And that may be another reason why
everybody's so happy. We don't have one guy sitting over
with a fact check, you know, looking down on another players.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
If it could be. I mean, that's fascinating. I think
every year with the locker around who's getting what? And
do you know who's getting what and all? But it's
just another dynamic. But like I said, when it comes
time to play, you hope you get guys that just
go play and don't worry whether you're making more than
me or I'm making more new or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And that's what I think we are getting to. We're
going to continue this conversation when we come back. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News
Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (33:46):
No, Larry Vatt is going to get our guests. We're
going wrapping up this football session of Sunday Morning Sports
Talk because we will be converting over to basketball Women's
UK basketball. To be exact, we have Dominica Prova coming
on at the top of the hour, but we were
going through the messages on.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Twitter and it's our fan base.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Jack Pilgrim spoke about it before he left, and our
fan base. It's kind of not so optimistic to see
a six wins season, but we are definitely we can
find I guess we could find six wins if you
really want to look for six wins, but in some
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instances there's not an opportunity for that. ESPNS thinks that
we can go six and six. Everybody else has us
at the or the sports writers has us at the
bottom of the conference down there with who's in Mississippi State.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
So just remember sports writers aren't always right. Normally we are,
but not always.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
They're not always right.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But if you think we beat Toledo, we beat Old
miss last year at their cribs, So I don't see
why we don't beat them again. Eastern Michigan beat them.
Everybody scared the South Carolina because they're ranked in the
top twenty. Georgia, I give you that one. Texas m
probably give you that one. Tennessee doesn't scare me. Florida
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got lucky last year. Lagway may not have a great game.
They may not score six touchdowns between two people.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
He's banged up right now too.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So that what does that give you? That gives you five?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Right there?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Tennessee Tech Vandy in loid for we get what.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Now you're up to eight?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
No, what'd you do?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Line went downstairs?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
There was no I was. I was proving six. Toledo, Oh,
Miss Michigan, Eastern Michigan are three. If you go with
the pundit, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas are nos. We'll give
them no, We'll just give them that. Tennessee four, Auburn,
Tennessee and Florida four or five. Then you just need
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one out of Tennessee, Tech, vanderbiltm Louisville vnder Benons's.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Open. I might say, Tennessee, does I mean if you
just look at the numbers. Just look at you would
agree with that, right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Just looking at the numbers. Let me call it David Gusta.
Let me call David Gusta real quick and say, hey, hey.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Look at how many times did you beat Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I ain't beat them at all?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It wasn't. It wasn't no fault of mine. Look at
my numbers, Look at the look at my numbers.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I'm just saying over history, Tennessee's had a pretty good
run against Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
So what about Florida? How many times will I be Florida? None?
And and now so how many times did Florida beat
us in the past five years? One?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
All right, so what are you talking about? I said,
Tennessee did wait a minute, way you're acting? What did
you do when you were downstairs? What do you got
in that cup?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I got stuck in the elevator for one other than that,
I was good.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
See, that's the point I was making before you left,
that our fan base has this. I can't say a
recency biased because if that was the case, then Florida
wouldn't stand a chance against us. But everybody else can
get better.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But we can't.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
That's where every fan base is like at Georgia, if
they don't win the national championship, they think they've had
a bad year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh yeah, but they expect to turn around at some point.
Everybody said, we were four and eight last year and
it's going to be three and I can't find there's
three and nine. People are talking two and ten and
that was well, we got to go to break. But
they were talking about stoops being done after a guy
who want the most winning is coach in the history
broke all the records and you're telling me that he cannot.
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He may be on a hot seat, he should be
able to pick and shoes when he wants to leave,
with or without his thirty million dollars that they will
owe him if they don't keep him.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Pretty sure he'll take it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm saying, when we come back, we have Dominika Parova
to talk UK basketball. She's in the studio with us.
Larry vaud is back. I don't know what's in this cup,
but we will continue the show at the top of
the hour. You listen Stockyards Bank Sunday when the sports
talk on news radio six thirty WLAP
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White,
along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim, coming to you
from Clark's Main Street Market Studios and beautiful downtown Lexititon, Kentucky.
Return refreshed and refue at Clark's Pumping Shop. Let's get
to the big ass fans hotline because Dennis has been
(00:31):
so patient to hold on.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sorry about that, Dennis.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm sure you're listening to the show, and Jeff got
a little bit long winded on us.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Well, I'll tell you, Anthony, if you hadn't asked me
to hold on, I was getting ready to hang up.
That was a long segment.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
What do you got for us, my man?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
First of all, I agree with Jack on the expertise.
You know, fans are really of course, you know, reasonably.
I agree with Jack, but uh, but that's my expectations
as a whole, you know, as fans out here. If
you go to social media, I mean seven and six
ain't gonna do it anymore. But I mean this year, yeah,
(01:19):
I think this year. Yeah, you want to be starting
to me me want you want? You want to see
Stukes building back and be at least five hundred, that's
my goal as a program. But at least you want
to see him building back. So I totally agree with
what Jack said. If you if SEC goes nine games,
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that the Louisville game has to go with it. It
has to go away. Number one, how much revenue are
they going to share? How much revenue is you an't
gonna lose when we're playing at Louisville?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right yere.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A bunch?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You got? You?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I mean you can. You can't if you go to
nine SEC games and there's twelve games. You you you
you got to have three guarantee on games? Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You got so you can't lose that revenue plus the
size of it of you're already facing nine bears in SEC.
I'm not saying that louis was gonna be a Bear
every year, but to me, it's just common sense financially,
that game has to go away, period. What you And
(02:31):
as far as my concern is, I don't know how
the starting five is gonna be on O line. That's
yet to be determined. But my concern is, which I
read an article from ks R. Yes, they which is
exactly they go out and they get whether they signed
five or six, they get five or six out of
as out of the transfer portal. On the line, well,
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they have injuries. I mean, they don't have any kind
of death. It doesn't matter that you went out got
five or four or five players in a trashford portal.
If you ain't built, no death, I mean that's me.
That that's me. That's that's really the biggest question mark
one to this season is the death on.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The Olne Well, Dennis, I appreciate the call. Thank you
for that call. And Dennis was the first one. I
guess that really I didn't think about that part of
you know, the schedule. I just thought that every team
across the country, and I think they've maintained no matter
how many changes jack have been made in the country,
most conferences have kept most rival games. And that was
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my concern about losing the Louisville game because every uh
what they call that rival rival weekend when everybody plays
uh they're in state or cross state or border state
rival at the last week of the season. Man, it's
just there's just so much build up, and I guess
you do lose the revenue from when you're doing a
home and home with another team, But I didn't think
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of that. Is that more important than keeping the just
the rivalry up, Jack Pilger.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I see, I see both sides with it, Like I
understand the the toughness of the schedule and you know,
the fighting against the nine you know, nine game gauntlet
in the SEC. I understand the vision there while also
acknowledging that, you know, there are some people that say,
you know that acquitter's mentality, you're supposed to welcome any
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and all challenges, while as you know, saying well, there's
a lot of money to be made by scheduling some
of these cupcakes in the home you know those things,
while also acknowledging that that Louisville game is sacred to
us in this fan base and knowing that that's, you know,
something that we want to sustain as long as possible.
And it's a very difficult conversation. I did, you know,
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appreciate the messaging from you know, both Mitch Barnard and
Mark Stew's the past week talking about that while saying, hey,
I know, it's kind of a controversial thing to say that,
you know, other others are kind of pushing.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
For this nine nine game at Sea Slate.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
We prefer eight, while also wanting to keep this Louisville
game because we understand it's it's important. So I don't
envy the decision makers that have to kind of navigate
this new era and how we're we're doing these things.
But I do think that that's probably the best path
forward to you know, maintain the revenue stream, maintain this rivalry,
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and you know, hopefully continue to stack wins as they're
able to come. It's tough to talk about right now
given the current health of the you know, Kentucky football program.
Maybe my mind changes a little bit if we're back
to you know, steam rolling, But I just don't don't
know if we're they're right right now.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Larry, Well, do you have a stance soon because Dinnis,
Like I said, until Dinnis brought that up, I didn't
think about the revenue portion of the Louisville game. Uh,
And it wasn't really so much about the rec to me,
it was just about the excitement of the rival. Do
you think the revenue is more important than excitement?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Of the rival.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yes, I mean, well, let me put that to me. No,
but if I'm running the school, if I'm the administrator
and trying to pay the bills, Yeah, because I think
right now, sometimes you have eight home games because you
have four SEC games and four non conference games. If
you go to a nine game SEC schedule, you could
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have five away games every other year, and if Louisville
is one of the teams you're playing, you would have
and that was the year to be away there. You
could have six away games in a year. So then
you only have six home games. That'd be a huge
revenue loss. So I can understand if that. I think
then I said, if that happens Kentucky, you'll have no
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choice but to go to somebody other than Louisville for
that other game.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That makes sense. I get you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And the other thing that was then discuss coming out
and his questioning or his questions Jack he thinks that
we have to go at least six and six, And
it was skimmed over earlier in the show when it
was brought up that ESPN has US six and six,
(07:16):
a couple of teams five and seven, but had us
like at five hundred, where everybody wants us to be.
And here's here's my concern, Jack, that six a six
and six Kentucky team could be the case. And as
we stated last week on the show, the Old Miss
team that we beat last year has not done anything
to improve to improve their situation tremendously. Now, ESPN and
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sports writers probably look at Kentucky's team, what they've gained
and what they lost, their strengths and weaknesses. They look
at every team in the conference probably and they can see.
I think one thing about our fan base. And I
don't know if this is you, Jack, but our fan
base looks at our record from last year, what we lost,
what we brought in. Just give the eye tests on
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what we have here. Yet they don't know what the
other teams have. And Jeff and all that that those
words that he was spewing, he didn't seem to have
a whole lot of confidence in Tennessee. So I'm just
kind of no one's given us six and six. But
are we not giving us six and six because we
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were four and eight last year? Or are we not
giving us six and six because the SEC has gotten
stronger and we've gotten weaker.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I think it's absolutely because of four and eight last year.
I think it's a rock bottom mentality because the program
did hit rock bottom. It was a total systems failure
with culture, with you know, bringing in prima donnas and
guys that only cared about their nil checks instead of
winning football games. And it was that Kentucky lost its
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heartbeat with what everything that Mark Stukes stood for as
a head coach, as a blue collar guy, is a guy,
you know, youngstound, tough, all of those things. I was
a weak minded soft football team in program last season.
And I think that's kind of where the pessimism comes from.
It's like, okay, it's it's it's all, yes, we totally
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understand that it's a new roster and it's a rebuilding,
and it's so many other teams went through similar rebuilds
and it's the portal era. Everybody has a ton of turnover.
But when you kind of hit a lull the way
this program did while acknowledging the other kind of financial
struggles with nil revenue and you know, it's not having
the backing that some of these other SEC juggernauts have,
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it kind of feels like, well, what does regain momentum?
Look like for this program, how do you find it?
And it does just kind of have to come from
an organic kind of how did we start this whole
process by kind of getting in the trenches and focusing
on the big blue wall and kind of having that
bring your lunch pale to work mentality that last.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Year's group clearly didn't have.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
In the years before that clearly didn't have. So I
think it's just kind of a combination of all those
things that you know, you just got to have to
see it to believe it to you know, Yes, six
six wins, I think is an absolute starting point where
fans can say, Okay, that's something to build upon.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's something that we.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Can say, okay, six wins now, but show me eight
the year after, or you know, just continued growth and
signs of life. So I think it's a little combination
of all of it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And Larry Vod Dennis also brought up he was concerned
about the offensive line depth. I'm not certain unless and
this is one thing we talked about on the show
for a while as well, Unless we're going back to
the rotation of offense line, I'm not certain, And that
may be where the optimism is coming from Bush and
the and Wolford and those guys. Maybe we are going
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to the rotating offense line, so we may need seven
or eight deep so that in that case injury doesn't
bother you. But the fact that he's kind of concerned
about the depth is we're not really rotating them. And
I worry about that water. I worry about that water
under the bridge when we get there. But it's at
this point he's just watering the bridge. Well, are you
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concerned that we don't have depth?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
You'd like to have some depth this, I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
When you're saying some, what do you mean some? Some
or none? There's guys there.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Everybody has depth, just matter whether you use depth.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, Dennis is concerned about it is if they're not
proven or some of the guys that were already here
are moved to the back seat when we're bringing new
But we just discussed at a quarterback, running back, I
mean not so much receiver because we just had attrition
at receiver. But so he's concerned that the guys that
were there were moving back and bringing in new guys.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
You don't bring transfers in to develop on bring them
into play.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, Are you concerned though, that's the question.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, obviously I'm concerned about the depth. Well, I'm at
I'm concerned about the depth at every position.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So you know, more concerned about the depth offensive line
than any other position. Yes, more concern That's what Dennis think.
So I think you more concerned is if this offensive
line with these new pieces doesn't work out, what are
we going to have to he says, injury or whatever.
Who knows, like we have to go to a second
string or what we lose where we lose traction?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I would say yes, but most teams in the country
would lose traction when they lose key starters. That's why
they're starting right.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, let me ask you two questions and we're going
to break because you really irritated like poison ivy.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Listen, scratch.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Do you remember in nineteen ninety five who the starting
running back was at Kentucky University of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
That was before you right, that was my redshirt year. Yeah,
I was not playing.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Not on the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You will know when I tell you, Well, no, you
won't know. It was Ray McLaurin.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Okay, yeah, because he's going to help a crew cheer.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Do you know who the starting running back was the
whole entire season more Williams.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Oh, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, okay, So do you know who the starting running
back was in nineteen ninety six redshirt? Yeah, R twos No,
it was ray mc laurin, Raymond claur Okay, and I
was removed from ten point being is I was a backup.
I was a backup. I was a backup at some
point and you and so when people always say, well
the second stringer is no, I've been a backup quite
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quite a few times in my career. I never felt
as if I didn't deserve to be there. And most
of the time, when I got an opportunity, I thought
I I thought I accomplished the task I was set
out to accomplish. So when people don't give backups enough credit,
sometimes they got to be thrown in the right situation.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Yeah right, they hadn't had a chance to show what
they can do exactly. But they do have unproven depth.
I think as a concern because until you see it,
we don't know. Now, the coaches make no difference because
they get to see them. I mean, you may we
don't talk to andwir and he might say, oh, man, Anthony,
they got some dogs and that's second offensive line this way.
Do you get a chance to see them play? Well,
we haven't got a chance see them yet.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I'll give you that nice clean up, nice pickup. We'll
continue this conversation after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I mean
Anthony White, along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim. Stockyards
Bank is your trusted partner since nineteen hundred and four,
so head on over to syb dot com for all
your banking and financial needs. Jack Pilgrim, I was just
(14:39):
catching up on some Twitter conversation and everybody's talking about
Fan Day, and you know, we've been talking about our
football team and record expectations for him. But everyone seems
to think that there's been a this fan base had
this fan Day had a different vibe. Said the team
was more lively, Mark stops with more outgoing. Seems like
(15:02):
the guys were happy to be participating. Is you think
this is something that that you is remarkable, something that
you remark about, or you just kind of feel like
after Foreign eight season, and I think everything keeps coming
back to is just happening because of a Foreign eight season.
Has a culture really changed? Are the guys really bought
(15:24):
back in or the guys really motivated, or you know,
maybe they got a bad taste in their mouth they
had to reset as well. But there's a common theme
on social media that fan day was there's a lot
of more energy that the guys stuck around for more
or more interview or more autographs and which I didn't
know that guys would leave early, but I do know
(15:45):
sometimes public relations may make them leave just because you know,
they have other obligations. But that's the common themes, Jack pill.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I do, I really do think that there's a you know,
a level of buy in and just kind of backs
against the wall. Like I do feel that Stoops feel
slighted that you know, and this has been traditionally where
he's been at his best, where people doubt him and say,
you know, you you.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Can't do this.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
You're taking on like when you first got here to
you know, taking on what was deemed an impossible job
that nobody can win here at you know, more than
you know just you know, typical. You hope for the
best with bowls and anything beyond that is icing on
the cake. And he goes, you know, two ten win
seasons and you know, top recruiting classes and things that
(16:34):
we never really thought possible. Yes, we hit a lull,
Yes we hit rock bottom, lost our identity, lost our culture.
But it does kind of feel like the slights and
the you know, I we kind of wondered if he
liked the motivated Mark Stoops kind of meme that has
come from this offseason, and it kind of hearing through
(16:55):
the grapevine that he doesn't like it, and it is.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Something that kind of rubs him the wrong.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Way and kind takes it as, Oh, you guys can't
think I'm I can do that. You guys don't think
I can do this. You think I'm not capable of
doing this? Okay, we'll see, you know, And that kind
of juice is something I do kind of feel has
been missing. And you did kind of get that vibe
talking to people that were at Fan Day and people
that saw open practice on Friday after media Day and
(17:20):
things like that. So they're saying all the right things,
they're showing some of the positive signs. But as Larry
and I have said that for weeks now months now,
that we are in a show me, don't tell me stage.
We can believe the hype, we can feel good about it,
we can see think things are trending in the right direction.
But the only thing that matters is August thirtieth, when
Tleda takes the field at Crokerfield. I think that's just
(17:42):
the only we got to see them take care of
business and actually see it with our own two eyes
once things kick off on August thirtieth. Until then, it's
just noise. It's just you know, it just kind of
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Larry, what you've been to a lot of fan days
the FA base to feel that, you know, most of
the fans have been to a lot of them. I
haven't been to. I've probably been to two that I
wasn't involved in as a as a player, so I
don't have a whole lot to e gauge it against.
But when the fans start noticing that, wow, these guys
are more excited. Because I always had a good time,
so I always played with the kids, throw the football around,
(18:18):
and always did all those things. But I think it's
become more commercial over the years where public relations or
media relations has their hands involved. You can stay this long,
they got you separated, roped off, and I see I
didn't like when they got to the whole roped off
thing and everybody had a wait in line. But what
do you take from you know, the social media people
saying that, you know, the vibe is different, they feel
(18:41):
more energy, they feel more engaged.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Well, as I told you, I thought even in media day, guys,
the guys that were asked to stay for interviews, and
that was who the media requested out, who media relations
picked out. But the guys that stayed were very relaxed,
very outgoing, very informative. Chat chatted a lot, and it
just seemed very relaxed with what they were doing and
enjoy it. And not everybody always enjoys media day. I mean,
(19:07):
you know some players that just didn't like it at all.
All these guys seem to really enjoy it. And everybody
I talked to that went to fan Day, I mean,
I've had all kinds of people send me pictures and
comments and all that they saw this player, this player
took a picture with their kids, They got the autographs
all like that, So I think everybody is I think
I would kind of go back to what they have
(19:27):
been telling us about the culture of this team. Got
a lot of good guys and just kind of understand
what it means to be here and want to be
here and wanted to interact and do things with fans. Now,
how does that translate the winning You could be the
greatest guy in the world and July and August and
we'll love you to death. You go out there and
miss four tackles, drop three passes, or throw six interceptions.
(19:50):
I don't think we're going to care how many autographs
you signed at fan Day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That is true, Jack Perry, we got about thirty seconds.
But I did want to get you a take because
this was There was speculation on Barnhart speaking Friday about
the revenue sharing, and he didn't dodge any answers. But
did I don't know if you saw his statements. I mean,
I mean he answered it, but he yeah, he didn't
(20:15):
dodge it, but he didn't really give you a whole
lot of information.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Are you cool with that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And I think he said what we've kind of said
on this show, and it just kind of what the
speculation has been behind the scenes that a they don't
want that information out there. There are other schools that
are releasing what the percent specific percentages and the numbers
are for each individual school with the sport with the
rev share. Kentucky does not want that information out while
also acknowledging that he's you know, it's going to be
(20:43):
split between six sports and the three kind of major
head coaches, if you will, are kept in the loop
and know feel pretty confident with with men's basketball, women's basketball,
and football that things are the money is where it
needs to be, and they like, you know, everybody feels
good about the others sports. It doesn't feel like one
is slighted or you know. So there's those reports that
(21:07):
the basketball program was making infinitely more than the football
and that that football is gonna be slighted.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
All those things were not true.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
So uh yeah, I think I think it don't don't
have any gripes about anything. Mitch Barharer had to say,
I see it as a competitive advantage for them to
know and everybody else to find out.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That is Jack Pilgrim, we will continue this show. On
the other side of this break, you're listening to Stockyards
Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
the lead troop Borge Radio Network on six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
White along with Larry Vuck. This hour Sunday Morning Sports
Talk has brought to you by a Country Boy brewing
talking about a fan Day open practice Kentucky football open practice.
At the top of our we have Dominika Parova, UK
(22:03):
Women's basketball guard will be coming on with us at
eleven o'clock, but in the meanwhile, we are still talking
some takeaways from Fan Day where we saw open practice.
If you'd like to join the show. Eight five nine
to eight zero two two eight seven eight five nine
to eight zero Cats. Larry Vaught, we were talking about
(22:24):
with Jack Pilgrim before we went on to break the
Mitch Barenhart's portion of the media day when he addressed
some of the situations as far as the revenue sharing,
the scheduling, and there was guess there's some speculation that
he may try and avoid the question or trying to
(22:44):
talk around it, but he went directly at it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And maybe he's the smartest guy in room.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Maybe not, I don't know, but it is smart to
not answer the question based off of giving your opponents
across the board, not just all across the board, letting
them know where you're puting your money.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And they're going to use that against you.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Then yeah, but why would other schools do it?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Or did he find out something or is it just
something he really didn't want to discuss, because he did
say and you and you and I have I think
agreed on this that the coaches are happy with the allocation.
He's not going to discuss how it was allocated, but
the coaches are all happy how it was allocated.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah, it's still the whole situation is still puzzling in
so many ways for me. As I told you, Mitch
talked about that last year they had six hundred and
fifty athletes on the rosters. They're going to have more
scholarships to give this year with the way things are
going or revenue sharing money, but because of NCAA roster limits,
they only have about five hundred and thirty student athletes
UK this year and how that disappointing him that there's
(23:43):
nothing he could do about it because roster limits are
now set in stone. Baseball, for instance, will have whatever
percentage of the revenue sharing they get, but they're going
to go from less than twelve scholarships either twenty three
or twenty four. But they have a roster limit of
thirty three. But everybody on their thirty three man roster
limit now will either be on some scholarship money or
(24:06):
on revenue sharing money, so they may not have to
have as much because they got more scholarship money. It's
just so many different pieces of the puzzle, and I
was interested to see that he did confirm that from
year to year it could change. You might give football
a certain amount of money one year and then they've
got a lot of gas coming back and they're set,
you know' to give them as much the next year,
(24:27):
and you give more to somebody else than in three
years get to load back up on foot. So I
guess it's just going to be something that you wouldn't
want to put out there because it's going to change.
Even talked about it could change from semester to semester
how you're allocating the money and whatever. So it's just
a fascinating world to me that we live in now
with all this going on, the money that you've got
(24:48):
to spend and allocate at all, I don't get it.
I would like to be setting in if it's a
really high profile recruit right now and listen to how
those negotiations go, whether you talk about playing time or money.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, And I don't I'm not really surprised by the
limit and the caps on UH rosters and things like that,
because I mean, any business you have, you have to like,
for instance, if just like in football, I didn't know
there was a limit on how many people you can
have on the team now was.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Before what there is now? There's gonna be a limit
of one o.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Five Yeah, because you have to know how many people are.
You got to know how many people are gonna be
accounted for with the funding. Otherwise there's there's there's an
opportunity for embezzlement and all kinds of other stuff, if.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I remember what he said correctly too. The SEC is
sticking with eighty five scholarships for football, but other schools
could go to the full one hundred and five scholarships
or football if they want to other conferences, other conferences.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I was told that a long time ago that
they opted out of giving unlimited or whatever Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
So what Kentucky can do that I didn't know. Now
they'll be able to. You don't have to give somebody
a full scholarship. You could have sixty five full scholarship
and forty players on half scholarship. That would be your
eighty five scholarships and your one hundred and five roster limit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, why does that? Why does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Though?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Because it really football has always been just a full
scholarship or I think, whereas baseball and softball and some
of those you could give the forty percent scholarship seventy
percent scholarship or whatever. I didn't realize they had changed
it now where you could do that in football also.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, because if it if it's revenue sharing, that just
if you give half halves, would wouldn't that be essentially
a walk on kind of we're gonna we'll gonna pay
half for half of your schooling. Where as walk on,
you didn't pay for any.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Of it, right, but you could you could understand it.
Now you'd be able to give half a scholarship to
somebody and then give them revenue sharing money to finish
paying for what they have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Makes sense. So that's why the extra people can be
on there. Set of eighty five men.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
They'll have one hundred and five roster limits. So but
it's gonna be fascinating to see. Here's one thing that
Brad White said that I wanted to ask you about,
and he said that this year the defense has got
a whole bunch of pieces that could make maybe really
make a cool puzzle. But he said in years past
they've had six to eight guys they would always count
on to play about seventy five percent of stamps on defense.
(27:17):
This year, that's not the way it's going to be.
You're gonna get some guys that will play about thirty
forty percent and then then go all out. Then you
gonna bring somebody else in. He said they'll play over
twenty guys, a lot of snamps this year on defense
all the time. He said, it won't be a defense
he just plays twelve thirteen guys, maybe fourteen. They're going
to play twenty or more and just kind of wants
(27:39):
you to go all out for as long as you can,
then they're gonna roll somebody else right in there, no
matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, you find that surprising.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Yeah, because usually you have some guys who don't come
off the field.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, I think Chris Collin's kind of talked about when
we had him on there, just I think the growth
and he's talking about people being and there's Chris is
second to third year that people have been in the
program a little while. I do know that there were
certain points they were handcuffed a little bit that certain
people can't be on the field because your packages get
too small if they don't have the flexibility to cover
(28:11):
or you know, rush or play different positions or play
out of position. So certain personnel can only play certain plays,
so your playbook is smaller on the defensive end. But
Chris spoke about it, and I spoke some other coaches about
you know, I've always gave Brad White credit for, you know,
not putting his defense in compromise position. But if the
guys aren't versatile or flexible enough to do certain things,
(28:34):
then he's handcuffed on what he can call on defense.
So I think that's been something they've been intentional about
getting guys to be in the playbook more to learn
more positions to how many people have they moved from
position to position because they've gotten flexible. So because they
move Afari into the box doesn't mean he's still not
capable of doing the things he did with his outside
(28:56):
of the box. So there's certain plays where he can
line up a safety or as they call it, a rover,
where you kind of go wherever you want to go.
He can line up on the edge and do things.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
But if he's your best lineback and now you're only
going playing forty percent of the time, what is.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Forty times one hundred percent effort? Then you sold fifty
percent effort is in this conference? Is and that that
that just means you only got to come off the
play for or come off the field for a minute
or a play or two, then put you right back in.
But you might but I think more of what he's saying,
you're not losing We're not losing any steps by taking
(29:32):
them off the field for two plays.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
That's what that's what he's saying. So I mean, we'll see,
but that's a different concept than your fast Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, And I think we got burned a little bit,
and it keeps coming up. Now all of a sudden
that a lot of people on the defense had injuries
or guys we expected to show up that didn't show
up where they were playing through this injury. I played
with jeffsn Netger's played with a messed up shoulder the
whole Billy Jack Haskins have played with messed up shoulder.
I played with messed up like there, and it's not.
(30:02):
It becomes an excuse at the end of the year,
once you go four and eight or your your draft,
that it drops. But I always say, and I've told
you this for years, and it's happened a lot of times,
if somebody has a bad season, something happens at the
end of the season. Oh yeah, he had a uh
well no, I'm not gonna say a bad season. But
then I live up to expectation. Well, we didn't want
to say anything, but he was fighting through this. There's
(30:23):
no player if you're an SEC Larry vaugh and you
do not have an injury or you were not bruised
up or banged up somewhere. You either were on the
sideline or you or you hide from contact.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
I think that's almost true even in high school. And
then if you if you're playing at a good program
and you play as the season goes on, you're gonna
have bumps and bruises and be banged up and hurt.
I mean I heard just getting out of bed sometimes now,
But I mean I think when you play a sport
like that, you're gonna play hurt. What do you guys say,
you play her or you play in You can play her,
(30:56):
but you can't play injured. Is that what you're thinking, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're injured or you hurt. Yeah, if you're injured. If
you if you hurt, you can play. If you're injured,
you got to go to the get medical attention.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Okay that's what I thought. So so the majority guys
play hurt, correct.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, every everybody plays hurt. That's the whole point. You
can't play if you're not. I mean, there's no you
you explain. You can explain to me how you can
be on the football field in the sec and not
be hurt. If I punch you an on right now,
is it gonna hurt?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yes? Doing that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So if you say you a Kentucky your average team
you run seventy plays a game.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
So out of seventy plays.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
None of You're not gonna You're not gonna touch anybody,
nobody's gonna hit You're not gonna hit anybody.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yeah, so in line and I don't know how they
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah yeah. And like I said, that they're banged up.
But that was the whole point I was making. I
think a lot of people played last year, and I'm
gonna be completely honest with you, I think it was
more on more because of nil and and some of
those things that they had to participate. There is so
much money invested in some of these players that they
had to stay on the field because I was the
investment made from n I L And like I said,
(32:03):
at the end of the season, you start to find
out some of these players were hurt, and I think
Brad White, maybe Bush, maybe coach Stupke's kind of felt like, man,
look they're calling for my head now. Man, we don't
want to make that mistake again. So I do think
that the guys being injured may have The injuries may
(32:26):
have played a part. But I think to answer your
question about them staying on the field so much was
based off of an il and investment made.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
To you say, too much to take them off.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, other people couldn't get on the field, so I
think they fixed that. I think Brad White knows. I
think Mark Steups is probably in line with it. Yeah, man,
you know whoever's getting paid. And I think I don't
think we're paying guys like we paid them before. I
don't think we have those three or four five guys
that are making way more than everybody else in their rooms.
(32:59):
So I think that kind of even is the playing
field and everybody, And that may be another reason why
everybody's so happy. We don't have one guy sitting over
with a fact check, you know, looking down on another players.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
If it could be. I mean, that's fascinating. I think
every year with the locker around who's getting what? And
do you know who's getting what and all? But it's
just another dynamic. But like I said, when it comes
time to play, you hope you get guys that just
go play and don't worry whether you're making more than
me or I'm making more new or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And that's what I think we are getting to. We're
going to continue this conversation when we come back. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News
Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (33:46):
No, Larry Vatt is going to get our guests. We're
going wrapping up this football session of Sunday Morning Sports
Talk because we will be converting over to basketball Women's
UK basketball. To be exact, we have Dominica Prova coming
on at the top of the hour, but we were
going through the messages on.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Twitter and it's our fan base.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Jack Pilgrim spoke about it before he left, and our
fan base. It's kind of not so optimistic to see
a six wins season, but we are definitely we can
find I guess we could find six wins if you
really want to look for six wins, but in some
(34:30):
instances there's not an opportunity for that. ESPNS thinks that
we can go six and six. Everybody else has us
at the or the sports writers has us at the
bottom of the conference down there with who's in Mississippi State.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
So just remember sports writers aren't always right. Normally we are,
but not always.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
They're not always right.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But if you think we beat Toledo, we beat Old
miss last year at their cribs, So I don't see
why we don't beat them again. Eastern Michigan beat them.
Everybody scared the South Carolina because they're ranked in the
top twenty. Georgia, I give you that one. Texas m
probably give you that one. Tennessee doesn't scare me. Florida
(35:20):
got lucky last year. Lagway may not have a great game.
They may not score six touchdowns between two people.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
He's banged up right now too.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So that what does that give you? That gives you five?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Right there?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Tennessee Tech Vandy in loid for we get what.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Now you're up to eight?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
No, what'd you do?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Line went downstairs?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
There was no I was. I was proving six. Toledo, Oh,
Miss Michigan, Eastern Michigan are three. If you go with
the pundit, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas are nos. We'll give
them no, We'll just give them that. Tennessee four, Auburn,
Tennessee and Florida four or five. Then you just need
(35:58):
one out of Tennessee, Tech, vanderbiltm Louisville vnder Benons's.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Open. I might say, Tennessee, does I mean if you
just look at the numbers. Just look at you would
agree with that, right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Just looking at the numbers. Let me call it David Gusta.
Let me call David Gusta real quick and say, hey, hey.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Look at how many times did you beat Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I ain't beat them at all?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It wasn't. It wasn't no fault of mine. Look at
my numbers, Look at the look at my numbers.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I'm just saying over history, Tennessee's had a pretty good
run against Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
So what about Florida? How many times will I be Florida? None?
And and now so how many times did Florida beat
us in the past five years? One?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
All right, so what are you talking about? I said,
Tennessee did wait a minute, way you're acting? What did
you do when you were downstairs? What do you got
in that cup?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I got stuck in the elevator for one other than that,
I was good.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
See, that's the point I was making before you left,
that our fan base has this. I can't say a
recency biased because if that was the case, then Florida
wouldn't stand a chance against us. But everybody else can
get better.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But we can't.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
That's where every fan base is like at Georgia, if
they don't win the national championship, they think they've had
a bad year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh yeah, but they expect to turn around at some point.
Everybody said, we were four and eight last year and
it's going to be three and I can't find there's
three and nine. People are talking two and ten and
that was well, we got to go to break. But
they were talking about stoops being done after a guy
who want the most winning is coach in the history
broke all the records and you're telling me that he cannot.
(37:36):
He may be on a hot seat, he should be
able to pick and shoes when he wants to leave,
with or without his thirty million dollars that they will
owe him if they don't keep him.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Pretty sure he'll take it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm saying, when we come back, we have Dominika Parova
to talk UK basketball. She's in the studio with us.
Larry vaud is back. I don't know what's in this cup,
but we will continue the show at the top of
the hour. You listen Stockyards Bank Sunday when the sports
talk on news radio six thirty WLAP
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