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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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to talk about this morning. Hopefully everybody had a good
Christmas and a lot of great family time. We'll go back,
maybe first start out with Jack and Bow. What a
week ago with this time, we were all really kind
of giddy hoping Kentucky was going to win that volleyball
National Championship, the sport that had kind of carried the
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banner for UK fans, especially in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Not only did they get beat swept by a team
that just played incredibly well, like Kentucky didn't play its
best and Jack, when that happens usually didn't turn out
well for you. But still thirty wins national final appearance,
still a great season overall for Kentucky volleyball.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Jack Man, you just have to compartmentalize it because the
Sunday stunk. It was just the worst possible scenario in
terms of how the game unfolded, that the match unfolded.
You know, Texas A and M getting out to such
an amazing start and set one and you know Kentucky
self imploding a little bit in Set one and thinking okay,
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well let's just knock the rust off with that one.
Let's just move past that and then you know, find
our footing again Sets two and three, let's let's win
in four. And then Set two happens. You go, oh,
all right, well that did. That didn't go as planned either,
So all right, well reverse sweep it is. Let's let's
knock this out, and then there's Set three happens on
your season's over. It's just it was a really really
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rough uh you know, you know, just the way it unfolded.
You hope that that Thursday match against Wisconsin kind of
got some of the the you know, the the ugliness
out of the way and then you could kind of
regroup and be your normal cells on Sunday. That just
didn't happen, and unfortunately the season ends in heartbreaking fashion.
But that has nothing to do with how the whole
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season unfolded and just how you know, just beautiful that
story is of this team that was just so easy
to fall in love with, and so many amazing storylines
and just you know, passion and energy and all that
just so just a group that we will remember for
so long, that accomplished so much together that yes they
didn't win the big one, but they sure as heck
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won a whole lot leading up to that point. That
that was a group that we can be proud of
and we will remember for a very very long time. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And it was a very strange match because it's the
first time in about the ten years that I've been
covering volleyball on a pretty regular basis that I can
remember a team getting a sweep and yet the team
that got swept had more than the team that did
the sweeping, which just normally didn't work that way. But
Kentucky way too many attacking areas eras, way too many
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service eras, and that's credit to Texas A and M defense,
I think, making Kentucky had to try to hit some
difficult shots that just didn't quite stay in bounds a
lot of times. But still usually if you get the
most Keels. You feel pretty good about your chances, but
it just didn't work out. And I think, as you said, Jack,
this time, you just have to give Texas credit. They
just played incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They had team of destiny vibes, Larry It just who
you know, when you reverse sweep Louisville and then you
rattle off three straight wins against number one seeds, you
just kind of at some point like, are they the
Yukon basketball at twenty eleven? You know that Kemba Walker
run those types of teams where they go through just
that that Ina tournament madness of a this Unfortunately it's
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their their year and it's not ours, and it sucks.
I hate being in that position where we can't celebrate,
you know, kind of the put a, you know, just
a pin the perfect icing on the cake of an
amazing season with you know, bringing the banner back home
to Lexington. You wanted that we'll still be able to
with a national championship appearance, a Final four appearance, It's
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still nothing to be ashamed of. But man, it's just it.
It just stinks that you run into a buzz saw
that is just the team of destiny in Texas. A
and M. They they deserved it. They they flat out
one with self imploded in set one, but the rest
of the way it was it was all Texas A
and M. And you just got to, you know, unfortunately
tip your cap sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And wanted it again. What an amazing season.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't want anybody to ever tell me about college athletics.
And still good because if you watch this group of
young women play and the passion they had for playing
and the way they cared about playing, and they're not
making millions of dollars. Brooklyn Delays playing with a torn
meniscus center a leg Asia thick Bans just crying hang
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our eyes out after they lose.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I thought Craig.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I really thought Craig Skinner was going to cry on
the podium because he just felt.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So close to this team. But again, they've been.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Great Dusts all season. Was great having some of them
on air with us. Hopefully maybe here in a couple
of weeks, have already had several fans as people will
maybe try to get Molly Bretswitz and Molly Tuzzo back
on with as they started the season on a for us,
or maybe we'll get Trinity Ward back on, or maybe
you try to reach out to Eva Hudson or something,
but certainly get somebody back on to kind of wrap
the season up, because, as you said, when you win
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thirty matches, go undefeated, and Southeastern Conference play, win the
SEC tournament, it's a pretty darn amazing season.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They're the best best on campus, best coach on campus,
and I don't think it's particularly close. I think they
have earned that right to just kind of, you know,
in a it is just so funny kind of looking
back at the football school versus basketball school, nonsense, way
back when to be where we are today, going hey,
a volleyball school all along.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And also now we'll tell you, Jack, you did something
this week that made me proud.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Wow. I don't know if that's a first, but I
sure appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I was listening to the video from the press conference
with Jaden Quaintans and Cam Williams earlier this week, and
I think probably they need to have Cam Williams featured
every week. After he went off then days later with
eight threes the next day, I think he got to
be featured on every press conference. And I heard you
talking to Jade and Quaintance about him coming back, and
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I heard you tell him how to kind of been
with the fan base being upset and people disappointed with
it in media that it thought the team wasn't going
to be what it needed to be. And you and
you said, including me who thought things were going wrong,
not everybody will stand up and own it when they
kind of more or less kind of given up on
a team and really criticized them and really wondered what
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was going on. You stood up and owned it face
to face with the big beast on the team.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So kudos to you for doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
My brand, well, I called them, you know, after the
Gonzaga game, I called them heartless portal mercenaries. That those
were my words and my words only I own that.
I absolutely hated the product that Mark Pope put on
the floor down there in Nashville. And it was a
group that I said on that show afterward, I said,
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this team is impossible to root for. You you can't
want it more than the players on the floor. You
don't feel like this group has that want to, that heart,
that passion, that soul that embodies you know, and that's
that is if if it would be different, if Mark
Pope didn't stress that as a number one priority with
this program and representing the name on the front of
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your jersey and you know, the sacred piece of cloth
and all of the big talking points about the meaning
behind Kentucky basketball. It'd be one thing if if his
messaging were different to kind of, you know, say, hey, no,
we're a player's first program. We care about getting these
guys to the draft and focusing on you know, YadA
YadA YadA. But no, like the things that he said
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that this program would embody under his leadership, this team
was not embodying. And I said, well, all right, well
then that's clearly a you know, poor leadership on Pope's
part for not being able to relay that message to
the players. And you know, they're not they're not embodying
any of that. And it was a really disappointing product.
And I didn't enjoy watching them, didn't enjoy rooting for them.
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And then they sure made me eat some crow against
Indiana and Saint John's just the way that they just
poured everything in, especially those second halves. Man just fighting
and grabbing loose balls and attacking the glass and doing
all the scrappy, ugly nitty gritty, dirty, fighting in the
mud kind of kind of ways to win basketball games.
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You know, this isn't the thirty three point attempts kind
of kind of style of play that we thought when
when we hired Mark Pope and what Year one kind
of look like. But you know, you got to kind
of learned a way to win in games however you can,
and and that that's exactly what Saint John's and in
Indiana were, So I thought they deserved all the criticism
that I personally gave them, the coaching staff, the players
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that they sure made me eat some words against Saint
John's and in Indiana with the how they won, even
even more so than the results. So definitely definitely continued
into that with with Bellerman, where it was ugly in
terms of the defense and just kind of a sleepy
pre Christmas game for them. But uh, you know, I
think the big biggest priority was keeping everybody healthy, keeping
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everybody safe, bubble wrap this roster just until we can
get to SEC play. They get attend, got a ten
day break leaving that Bellerman game, and it's a chance
to really regroup going into SEC play.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, if you stay in this business, you'll eat more words,
trust me, eating a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It won't be the last time you'll have to eat
your words.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But one thing I think too, A lot of people
have questioned Mark Pope's coaching ability is strategy, question his roster.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Construction, is recruiting.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I mean, and I think all that's fair and everything.
The only thing I will say is, don't question whether
he connects with Kentucky fans.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Because what he did.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
After the Bellerman game small gesture, but still just shows
how he gets it. When he has what he called
the Pope Girls, give out books commemorating his first season,
some random fans that stayed for the radio show. Then
they give out some t shirts that have one hundred
dollars cash gift certificates attached to them, and then he
announces everybody that stayed, he just want to come on
over to one of the suites. We're going to let
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you get all the pictures in autograph if you want,
with the players. That's going to be our early Christmas
present to you. And all my years of covering Kentucky basketballs,
I've never seen anything quite like that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And so many fans are so.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Happy to be able to do that, And again question
Pope about a lot of things. I don't think, don't
question whether he connects with the fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I think that is probably the best thing that
he does. And I think he it's because he is
a fan. He is a you know, I appreciated that
when I asked him after that tough loss down in Nashville, Hey,
you know, DeMarcus Cousins is saying that your team doesn't
have heart, and he said, well, me, as a former player,
I'd agree with him. I'd be his words. I'd be
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pissed off at the head coach too, And it's like, well,
good glad, we can all be on the same page here.
He gets it. He understands the pulse of the fan
base and what makes them tick, what, you know, pressing
the right buttons at the you know, his very first
press conference saying, you know, hey, we're gonna understand the
assignment and that every game matters. It's we're not gonna
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just play for March, and you know, allow early season
losses and non conference losses and act like those don't matter,
because they do matter. Now. You know, it's easier said
than done, because we have been kind of torturing this
guy all season long for for some of these non
conference losses. So you know, you can't kind of have
your cake and eat it too, because you haven't been
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taking some of those losses. Now that he's actually in
the trenches with some of those things, he needs to
be able to take some of that on the chin,
and I think he has done a relatively good job
with that. But yeah, I think that's just kind of
goes to be said who he is as a person,
and that he's a fan just like the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I was impressed enough last year when he bought ice
cream for a bunch of thousands of people when he
had to leave earlier than what he was going to.
But to come up with this idea or whoever suggested
the idea to him, which is really really that good
thing because they have a really good crowd there on
a Tuesday afternoon to watch him play against Bellman. Then
to reward the people that went ahead and stayed around
because he'd announced it beforehand, everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Would have stayed. But to do that like that, I
thought was just.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Really a nice gesture for him to do it. And
I've had several friends that told me on their way home,
I'm tickled they were, and some people that didn't know
what they were going to get for Christmas, they're now
getting autographs from UK basketball players.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And Larry Larry Jack.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I want to go back to Big Blue Manus and
the fan fest they had and the line they had
for the autograph session with the players. It was long
and they had to cut off the line, and there
was a lot of angry fans that afternoon that did
not get autographs. And I just would like to think
that somewhere down the line, somebody said, Hey, we've got
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to make this right with the fans that did not
get those autographs back in October, and here is one
way that we can do it. And I'm disappointed. I
couldn't stay for autographs. I had to get on the
road and take care of a few things. So I'm
listening to Tom Leach and Mark Pope and I hear
the autograph session announcement after the game, and I'm I'm hurt.
I'm disappointed I didn't stick around, but I'm also happy
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to that Mark Pope and his staff and the players
that have reached out to the fans like that, especially
here a couple of days before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
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Speaker 2 (14:17):
But Jack, I think the thing, probably the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's happened this week for UK was Cam Williams just exploding.
I mean, you watched him in the game in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We talked about a little bit last week.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
He came down and hit those two fast break three
pointers off the assists by Jayln Lowe and you kind
of thought this, maybe it'll kind of get him going.
And he hits two more in the first half against
Bellerman and you're thinking, yeah, this is looking pretty good.
And then my gosh, the second half he's just on fire,
puts in six more three pointers. And I don't know
about about you, Jack, but but just watching the game,
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every time he put it up, it looked good as
soon as he shot it. And to put in eight
threes in one game, he has arrived.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man, And I'm so proud of him because it would
be so easy for him to give up. It would
have been so easy along the way to you know,
used his misshots is as an excuse to give up defensively,
or to not fight on the glass, or to not
you know, finish around the rim and do all the
little things that also contribute to winning. He was brought
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in to be a sniper from deep and you know,
forty one percent three point shooter from Tulane like. He
was brought in to fill the Kobe Brea role, and
he has been a non factor from the perimeter all
season long. It was funny talking to Doug Davenport after
the game. He said, you know, dude's a twenty plus
percent three point shooter all season long, and we would
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throw a zone at him and give him open looks
and he goes eight for ten from three. He's like, well,
Merry Christmas, buddy. We we're the reason why you're able
to you know, get it rolling finally and become the
player ever. You know, Kentucky fans thought they were signing
up for when when you came. So congratulations Mary Christmas,
that's our present to you. But it would have been
easy for him to pout and just you know, get
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hang his head and say, hell, well, my SHOT's not falling.
So I guess I can't be an impact player here.
You know, if if I'm not filling the role that
they brought me into play, then I guess I just
I'm not deserving of minutes. And then instead of doing that,
he says, well, now I'm at a defend. I'm gonna
block shots, I'm gonna get steals, I'm gonna attack the glass,
I'm gonna get put back dunks. I'm you know, whatever
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you need me to do outside of the shots that
I'm missing right now, I'm gonna do it. And then
so we've been waiting for this breakthrough moment where the
shot does finally fall because that is his bread and butter,
and I knew a breakthrough was coming at some point, Larry,
but I would be absolutely lying through my teeth if
I said I expect an eight for ten night from.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Deep now what I want you to be thinking about
Jack as we finished this segment up and before we
go to after we take our break, when we come back,
I'm going to get your kind of ideas on playing
time if they have a healthy roster, what you think
it might look like during the SEC season. But I
want you have a few minutes to think about it
as we're going along right now, So kind of just
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be letting that roll through your brain right now, how
the playing time might be divided up.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But I think you do I think you do this
on purpose, Larry. I think you do this to make
them put my brain in a pretzel and try to
make me, make me confuse and put me on the
spot because we have we have way too many players
deserving of minutes right now. So I think I think
you get great joy out of this.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We're gonna have bow keep track.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So when you get you have playing time with three
hundred and thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Game bo add it all up when you get through.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But that's what I'm here for. So I have a
question for you guys about Cam Williams. The first part
of the season, first four or five games, were you
all concerned that he may get lost in the shuffle
in the lineup as we're moving towards the conference opener here,
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I wouldn't because I was worried they didn't have about
they had a lack of shooters. And I think this
young man shot forty one percent from three point range
at Tulane, and the NBA scouts are talking about him
being a potential first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He's got to be able to shoot.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
So I figured at some point he's going to be
in there making shots. I didn't think he would get
lost because I could think back and you probably can too,
bo to when a guy named Devin Booker was at
Kentucky in that great season that they had, and he
went about six games where he couldn't make a three
point shot. I think he went over six or oh
for seven games he didn't make a three point shot,
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but he was a shooter. And I think it was
the same with me with Cam. I never really worried.
I just kind of wondered. When I don't know about you, Jack,
maybe you're different.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I will say it would have been easy for him
to give up, like it would have been he. I mean,
he came from Tulane, He's never seen this type of success.
This Like, how easy would it have been, guys for
him to look at this and say, hey, well, I'm
not built for Kentucky. I'm built for Tulane.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Like I.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, I could have done it, have done it at
the mid major level and done it at a high level,
and that's great. But man, maybe I'm not built for this.
Maybe I'm not. Maybe the Kentucky brand is too big
and the spotlight is too bright, and you know it.
That's that's kind of how why what makes all of
this so cool? Because it would have been so easy
for him to, you know, kind of fall into that
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trap of you know, I don't but I wouldn't have
believed it. But that's that's his mind and his confidence
and something that he has to address it internally. And
instead of going that, you know, kind of down that path,
he approached it and said, nah, I I have a
role here. I was broad here for a reason. They
think I'm a Kentucky player. So I'm gonna play like
a Kentucky player. And He's worked his way onto the floor,
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deserve to be on the floor even when his shots
weren't falling. And now we get to see the you
know him kind of reap those benefits.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He's I doubt he's gonna get the shoot against his
own defense the rest of.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Us, that would be very dumb of opposing teams.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, I think he'll he's in the game, that'll be
in Kentucky's not going to see his own or I
sure wouldn't think so. But the other thing ought to
give fans a little bit of hope that we've been
kind of waiting for Jasper Johnson to have maybe the
same kind of breakout experience and all like that. He's
known for his shooting ability and he's made some he
just hadn't really got on one of those streaks like
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what Cam did. I'm not saying I think he's going
to hit eight in a game, but I think depending
on how his playing time continues to develop, I think
we're still get to see the best of Jasper Johnson.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It's contagious, Larry, Like I asked Jasper after the game, actually,
you know, if Cam is going red hot, does that
kind of bleed into you and give you a level
of confidence to say, well, if that guy is hitting shots,
then I sure has had ken And you know, I
think it's contagious in the sense of, you know, you
go against Saint John's and you're four for sixteen from three,
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and you go against Indiana you're three of thirteen, whatever
those numbers ended up being. And you know, we're seeing
we saw against Bella and I. You know, if Camp
can go eight for ten, everybody else can go, you know,
combine for sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
All right, well, we're gonna take a break here on
Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, and when we come back,
we're gonna do math with Jack Pilgrim to try to
figure out the playing time if everybody on the Kentucky
roster stays healthy. So stay with us here on Stockyards
Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on wla P six thirty.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Boys this morning, Larry sounds like it, but it's a
little early for me to beg but there's or maybe
there's never a bad time, Dame Larry.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I was gonna say, it sounds like there's more nog
in the egg.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, that's probably true. Where it could just be one
of those old age things that happens to you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You guys will experience that one day eventually, you know
all but Jack, I want I want to kind of
help you walk us myself in Kentucky fans through this
now hoping to get the healthy roster. Jayden Quainton is
looking really good and once he gets to where he
can this go full throttle. I mean, it seems to
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me that's a guy you're looking at that's probably got
to play twenty five thirty minutes. If Jalen Lowe stays
healthy and everything's good with him and you're playing in
these games and he's able, seems like another guy you
want at least twenty five to thirty minutes out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Otaga away.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He was your best player last year. He's a SEC
preseason Player.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He seems to be kind of he's got himself together
twenty five thirty minutes or so for him, But then
you got nine other guys that want to play. Also,
how do you kind of divide this playing time up
going forward? Because that seems like one thing. Sometimes Mark
Pope has a little bit of trouble with and do
a couple of guys just kind of get left behind
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and say, hey, guys, you're just going to kind of
be cheerleaders, and if something comes up and we need
you with vout troubles or injuries, will need you. But
if not, you's got to sit over here with me.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think he's going to have to hurt some feelings, Larry.
I'm not going to be I think in this version
of these math gymnastics that we do so often, I'm
not gonna be the one that says, well, there are
thirteen guys on this roster and all of them deserve
to play fifteen to twenty minutes. So something's got to
give here. Yeah, I just I don't think that that's
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a reality for this team. I think that we have
seen the beauty and kind of tighten things up and
playing the guys that deserve to play and hurting some
feelings unfortunately. So I do think the guys that you
named are deserving the Otegas and Jalen's and Jayden's of
the world are twenty five to thirty minute guys. They are, like,
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I think that needs to be the constance, and I
think from there, Larry, it does become very situational because
I do think that there is a way that Cam
plays his way into games of thirty minutes. But there
are also games that if it's shots not falling and
he's not given the defensive effort or whatever that put
him on the floor to begin with, you know, Pope
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probably needs to can you know, try Yellovitch or try whatever.
But you know there's also I think, you know, Andrea Yelovich.
We just saw him go back to back games of
DNP coaches decisions and finally got a little bit of
run against Bellerman, but didn't play a whole heck of
a lot. So I think we're already kind of seeing Pope.
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You know, the big question is is definitely at the
front court spot where you have Jaden being Jaden but
also Brandon Garrison and Malachi who've been staggering those minutes
all season long. You're not gonna be able to do
to play all three of those guys twenty plus minutes.
It's just not gonna happen. So I think it's gonna
be up to BG and Malachi to battle it out,
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and that might be situational. Hey, BG, we need an
energy play, we need a quick block, we need a
steal here, we need an ali You to kind of
just invigorate the fan base, let them get them on
their feet. We need rupperina, you know, at a ten
out of ten, and you're the only guy on the
roster that can give them that at the level that
you do. That's his role, Malachi, take up space. You're
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a you know, big defensive presence, you rebound the ball
exceptionally well, all of the above. You know, we need
you for those things. So I just I think it's
really really hard to say, here's the cut rotation. Everybody
else is out because you know, like tonight, Andrea Yelovich
or on Tuesday, going in Andrea Yelovich going heads up
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against Jack Karasinski against Bellerman, a stretch for six eight
skilled three point shooter. Yeah, that was a space for
him to play that specific matchup. But if you're taking
on a big, burly, physical, sec big that might not
be the favorable matchup for Yelevich. So that's the beauty
of having a roster as deep as Mark Pope does.
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But that's also kind of the curse of you. You
got to keep all these you know, mouths fed and
the players happy, and that's much much much easier said
than done.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As you know, over the years, Larry so does Moe's
playing time.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
If quaintance is able to go amount of minutes we
think you might be able to. Now what does that
do to his playing game or is he another one
of those guys If things are going right with him,
you've got to head it on the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He you know, if you're taking on a skilled outside
beats you off the dribble kind of threaten. Maybe that
takes him off the floor some and you need a
yell of itch. You need Cam Williams. You go small
and have him at the floor. I think there's a
space there. But mo I think as he establishes his
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core fit where he doesn't feel the need to launch
threes and be a skilled kind of Swiss army knife,
if you just say, hey, no, you are our tough, physical, offensive,
rebounding presence. We need you to get tough, tough, tough
baskets and rebounds around the rim, and that's it. Defend hard,
do all that. I think he's going to keep himself
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on the floor because there are more favorable matchups in
the SEC for Moodiabatte as we saw as he led
Alabama to a Final four and in Elite eight. That's
there's a lot of space in that league. For him
to play meaningful basketball. So I think Moe's probably closer
to the you know, Jalen Lowe, Otega Oway, Jaden Quainton's
territory of twenty five to thirty than the you know,
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Yellovich go down the list, Trent Noah's, Colin Chandler's of
the world. That might be very situationally based with the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, that kind of leads me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If again, if low and Owah are both doing what
you think they should be doing, and Acquaintance is doing
what he should be and if Moe was in the
situation in the game where he's doing the rebounding and
the defense and the dirty work that you want him
to do, then that leaves Aberdeen, Chandler, Johnson, Trent kind
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of what do you do with those guys and how
do you split their playing time up? It seems to
me the Collins one guy that early in the season
was playing as well or better than maybe just about
anybody that Hay the last three to four weeks not
playing anywhere near that level.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And I need Trent Noah to shoot threes, I need
Colin to make threes. I need you know, Denzel Aberdeen
to play closer to the guy that he is against
was against Bellermann than we saw in some of the
weeks before. Like that's the beauty, that's the gift and
the curse that comes with being as deep as this
team is, where there are times that you know, Denzel's
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gonna take a game over, Colin's gonna go get hot
from from deep, you know, go down, go down the list,
there's the the Trent Noah is gonna finally fire away
and get some shots to fall. But the odds of
all of those things happening in the same game are
slim to none. And I think it's it's gonna be
up to those guys to to strike while the iron's hot.
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They're gonna get shots, They're gonna get opportunities, But are
they gonna make the most of it? Are they gonna
come in and shoot scared? Play scared, you know, defend
scared like he gotta. It's a it's an iron sharpens
iron dog eat dog world. Here in the sec in
Kentucky basketball, you know you got to carve out your
own role. Cam Williams is the perfect example of that,
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Larry where he he did anything and everything to make
sure his butt was on the on the floor that
he gave Pope every single reason to put him on
the floor and say, hey, I know I'm not making
shots right now, but you're gonna you're gonna need all
of the other aspects of my game right now to
to win you basketball games and then just hope that
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the shooting finally figures itself out. So Cam is the
the perfect example of that. And I think the these
other guys, that whole group of players that you name,
it's on them to prove that they belong to Well.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm on the group, and of course obviously very fast,
but I'm on the group that's ready to make Jasper
Johnson the backup point guard and just.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Established that as his role and then to come in
and do whatever else.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What about you, I think Eberdeen is better not playing
the point.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Totally agree. I think that Pope needs to have a
very hard conversation and that that dynamic specifically because I
think Denzel got the benefit of having a really really
really good team around him, with really really good guards
around him, that he was able to kind of fit
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into a perfect system that catered to his skills and
the you know, his biggest strengths. Really it worked to perfection. Uh,
the issue you know with with here is he's not
necessarily the creator and an initiator by himself without the
same level of talent around in the same level of
shooters and you know, superstar college players that Walter Clayton
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and you know elej Martin and all the guys Will
Richard and the guys that that that Todd Golden had
around Denzel last year. So it's tough. It really is tough.
But I think Jasper, especially knowing that that Jalen is
going to be kind of touch and go, that he
there is a chance that he could go in and
in seven seconds his entire season could be altered. That
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We saw that to a t And I think Jasper
is probably the safest bet as a pure point guard.
As we saw against Bellerman. You know, eleven point seven assists,
one turnover. He was a really, really, really good point
guard playing that complimentary role with with Jalen out and mate,
I think Pope needs will lean harder into that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, I think the more he plays it, the better
he will get. I mean against Bellerman, he came in,
he had a turnover within what the first ten seconds
of the first possession he had it. Then from then
on he didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But he just has to be able to play that.
And I think it's settle int like the team.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Maybe it'll help them just to know, Okay, here's what
happens if Jalen goes down, Here's where we go.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But what do we know now? Before we're on air again.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A week from today, Kentucky will have open SEC play
at Alabama. Thumbs up, thumbs down for that game, Jack, Who.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Man, that's tough. You're saying Jalen's availability or just I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Just talking about Kentucky winning the game.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Winning that game, well, that also goes hand in hand
with Jalen's availability. That might have been the reason why
I asked that. I think, oh man, that's tough. That
that really is tough. The the benefit that the thing
working in Kentucky's favor is that that Alabama cannot guard
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a fence post. Right now. They are horrific defensively, but
it's a Nate NATO's coach offense and they're gonna they're
gonna find ways to ding you up on that end
of the floor. So we need to see closer to
the Saint John's level performance that we saw from Kentucky,
more so than what we saw against Bellerman, where the
defense just kind of regressed a little bit, took two
steps back. So I on paper, yes Kentucky can go
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down and Tuscaloosa and win that game, but it is
definitely gonna be easier said than done. They got some
work cut out for I'm not gonna I'm look. They
have gotten back in my good graces slightly, but they're
not a fixed team. This is not a team that
I just think, oh well, all of the bad vibes
that we saw, you know, in November and early December
have just magically vanished, and we no longer feel that
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way that they need to prove it. They really dug
themselves a hole and they need to continue to climb out.
They salvage the season by beating Saint John's and getting
through getting through Bellerman with a win, but that does
not mean that this team is still the world beater
that we thought they could be going into the season.
That they got some work to do.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I'm not gonna let the defense against Bellerman worry me
because I've seen too many pre holiday games by Kentucky
basketball over fifty years to let it get me up stick,
and I've seen too many times, so they just are
thinking more about what they're gonna be doing the next
name than interested in playing defense in a game they're
gonna win.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So those things just kind of happen.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So we're gonna take our another break here on Stockgards
Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on WLAP.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Welcome back to Sunday Morning Sports Talk six thirty WLAP
and now Anthony White with his commentary on the Kentucky
volleyball team in the aftermath of the national championship match.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Anthony, I want to start off with thanking everybody for
listening throughout the year twenty twenty five and making the
show so special to everybody. There's some good times, there's
some bad times, there's some low times, there's some uptimes,
but I do appreciate everyone for listening every week. I
did want to start off by speaking about our volleyball shortcomings,
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and I want to start off by saying it was
a magnificent season. Skinners. Winners did their thing. I think
it's a lot for them to be proud of. I
also think The only thing better that could have happened
with this season in volleyball was that we brought home
the championship. We lost two top matches in the regular season,
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and I thought that probably prepared us for a situations
throughout the tournament when you get tough times. But Texas
A and M was they had been rolling, they had
been playing almost flawless volleyball. I got to the point
on social media that, you know, I thought, you know,
I'm not really very superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
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But there was points throughout the Master's points throughout the
season that I always feel like if you change the
polarity of something, because I'm an energy person.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
That it could change things. Volleyball never caught traction.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Against Texas A and M and the championship match, they
never caught traction, and I tried to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I could.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
I mean, obviously, I don't really really believe that my interaction,
my watching or not watching makes a difference. What I
do want to address before I move on to you know,
bigger and better things, was that throughout the match we
didn't play well. That's fine, whatever reason delay was hurt.
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You know, there's a lot of things going. It's been
a long season. We played obviously win a championship. We
played more games than most people have played all season.
So our team probably a little bit banged up, a
little bit tired, no excuses whatever, because the accomplishment at
the end of the day, getting to the championship is remarkable.
This is our second time the school history getting to
the champion That itself is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
We need to do better with when we lose, and
that's fine.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
If you want to take jabs of me and say
I put the horse before the wagon, and you know
Larry wallspoken, don't speak too early. Here's my stought, my
thought as a player.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
If you think I'm.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Gonna win or lose as an opponent or a fan,
that does not affect me. That does not affect me
at all. So the alternative to me thinking that we
are going to win the national championship, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
To go on there. No, I could have been humble
and you know, let's wait and see. Yeah, I could
have did that.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
That's not my style. My style is my team is balling.
I'm out here supporting them. I'm happy for him, and
if we win, everything's fine. We didn't win we didn't
play well. The problem was there was negativity being thrown
at the players well with the season was.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
This they played terrible. Okay, they know they played terrible.
We don't need you. We do not need you to
reiterate that to them.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
We do not need you to make them feel like
this is a ferry for the second time going to
the tournament or to go to the championship game in
the school's history. No, that is not what competition is about.
My outlook on competition was We're gonna win the national championship.
I'm already calling it. Called my shot. Litte though, beat
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me up all your wants. That's fine. No, we didn't
make it. You put the orders before the wagon. Okay,
I should have said we're gonna lose. We'd have felt better.
I could have been conservative. You probably would have felt
better if we win. This whole discussion is not over.
But please support the young ladies. Still, uh, still support
the young ladies, and you don't let them know some
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magnificent season because you get to the doorstep and you
knock on the door and the door is not open.
I mean I said that with the Asia thig Pins
Dad last week, I said that on the show that
there's an ultimate high with that comes an ultimate loan.
If Asia and her team wins the national championship, coach
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Stigpen is.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Gonna be happy.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
He's gonna hug his daughter, gonna confetti and everything else
is gonna be flowing. If she does not, then he
has to be a father his you know, the whole family,
Big Blue Nation, coaching, the players, everybody has to rally
around these these young ladies because they played their hearts
out whatever level it was. If it didn't match up
to your level as a fan, fine, do whatever you
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want to do with that. But she but they did do.
They did have a great season. For some of the
things I saw on social media probably should not have
been said. The ones to me I thought were funny
that I had an impact on the match, but hey,
that makes it an interesting show.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Thank you, Anthony and on behalf of Anthony White, Larry
Vault and Jack Pilgrim. Thank you for listening to Sunday
Morning Sports Talk in twenty twenty five. I'm Bo Robinson
and we wish you all the best for twenty twenty six.
Happy New Year From Sunday Morning Sports Talk six point
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to talk about this morning. Hopefully everybody had a good
Christmas and a lot of great family time. We'll go back,
maybe first start out with Jack and Bow. What a
week ago with this time, we were all really kind
of giddy hoping Kentucky was going to win that volleyball
National Championship, the sport that had kind of carried the
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banner for UK fans, especially in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Not only did they get beat swept by a team
that just played incredibly well, like Kentucky didn't play its
best and Jack, when that happens usually didn't turn out
well for you. But still thirty wins national final appearance,
still a great season overall for Kentucky volleyball.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Jack Man, you just have to compartmentalize it because the
Sunday stunk. It was just the worst possible scenario in
terms of how the game unfolded, that the match unfolded.
You know, Texas A and M getting out to such
an amazing start and set one and you know Kentucky
self imploding a little bit in Set one and thinking okay,
(01:37):
well let's just knock the rust off with that one.
Let's just move past that and then you know, find
our footing again Sets two and three, let's let's win
in four. And then Set two happens. You go, oh,
all right, well that did. That didn't go as planned either,
So all right, well reverse sweep it is. Let's let's
knock this out, and then there's Set three happens on
your season's over. It's just it was a really really
(01:58):
rough uh you know, you know, just the way it unfolded.
You hope that that Thursday match against Wisconsin kind of
got some of the the you know, the the ugliness
out of the way and then you could kind of
regroup and be your normal cells on Sunday. That just
didn't happen, and unfortunately the season ends in heartbreaking fashion.
But that has nothing to do with how the whole
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season unfolded and just how you know, just beautiful that
story is of this team that was just so easy
to fall in love with, and so many amazing storylines
and just you know, passion and energy and all that
just so just a group that we will remember for
so long, that accomplished so much together that yes they
didn't win the big one, but they sure as heck
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won a whole lot leading up to that point. That
that was a group that we can be proud of
and we will remember for a very very long time. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And it was a very strange match because it's the
first time in about the ten years that I've been
covering volleyball on a pretty regular basis that I can
remember a team getting a sweep and yet the team
that got swept had more than the team that did
the sweeping, which just normally didn't work that way. But
Kentucky way too many attacking areas eras, way too many
(03:08):
service eras, and that's credit to Texas A and M defense,
I think, making Kentucky had to try to hit some
difficult shots that just didn't quite stay in bounds a
lot of times. But still usually if you get the
most Keels. You feel pretty good about your chances, but
it just didn't work out. And I think, as you said, Jack,
this time, you just have to give Texas credit. They
just played incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They had team of destiny vibes, Larry It just who
you know, when you reverse sweep Louisville and then you
rattle off three straight wins against number one seeds, you
just kind of at some point like, are they the
Yukon basketball at twenty eleven? You know that Kemba Walker
run those types of teams where they go through just
that that Ina tournament madness of a this Unfortunately it's
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their their year and it's not ours, and it sucks.
I hate being in that position where we can't celebrate,
you know, kind of the put a, you know, just
a pin the perfect icing on the cake of an
amazing season with you know, bringing the banner back home
to Lexington. You wanted that we'll still be able to
with a national championship appearance, a Final four appearance, It's
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still nothing to be ashamed of. But man, it's just it.
It just stinks that you run into a buzz saw
that is just the team of destiny in Texas. A
and M. They they deserved it. They they flat out
one with self imploded in set one, but the rest
of the way it was it was all Texas A
and M. And you just got to, you know, unfortunately
tip your cap sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And wanted it again. What an amazing season.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't want anybody to ever tell me about college athletics.
And still good because if you watch this group of
young women play and the passion they had for playing
and the way they cared about playing, and they're not
making millions of dollars. Brooklyn Delays playing with a torn
meniscus center a leg Asia thick Bans just crying hang
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our eyes out after they lose.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I thought Craig.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I really thought Craig Skinner was going to cry on
the podium because he just felt.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So close to this team. But again, they've been.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Great Dusts all season. Was great having some of them
on air with us. Hopefully maybe here in a couple
of weeks, have already had several fans as people will
maybe try to get Molly Bretswitz and Molly Tuzzo back
on with as they started the season on a for us,
or maybe we'll get Trinity Ward back on, or maybe
you try to reach out to Eva Hudson or something,
but certainly get somebody back on to kind of wrap
the season up, because, as you said, when you win
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thirty matches, go undefeated, and Southeastern Conference play, win the
SEC tournament, it's a pretty darn amazing season.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They're the best best on campus, best coach on campus,
and I don't think it's particularly close. I think they
have earned that right to just kind of, you know,
in a it is just so funny kind of looking
back at the football school versus basketball school, nonsense, way
back when to be where we are today, going hey,
a volleyball school all along.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And also now we'll tell you, Jack, you did something
this week that made me proud.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Wow. I don't know if that's a first, but I
sure appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I was listening to the video from the press conference
with Jaden Quaintans and Cam Williams earlier this week, and
I think probably they need to have Cam Williams featured
every week. After he went off then days later with
eight threes the next day, I think he got to
be featured on every press conference. And I heard you
talking to Jade and Quaintance about him coming back, and
(06:34):
I heard you tell him how to kind of been
with the fan base being upset and people disappointed with
it in media that it thought the team wasn't going
to be what it needed to be. And you and
you said, including me who thought things were going wrong,
not everybody will stand up and own it when they
kind of more or less kind of given up on
a team and really criticized them and really wondered what
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was going on. You stood up and owned it face
to face with the big beast on the team.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So kudos to you for doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
My brand, well, I called them, you know, after the
Gonzaga game, I called them heartless portal mercenaries. That those
were my words and my words only I own that.
I absolutely hated the product that Mark Pope put on
the floor down there in Nashville. And it was a
group that I said on that show afterward, I said,
(07:25):
this team is impossible to root for. You you can't
want it more than the players on the floor. You
don't feel like this group has that want to, that heart,
that passion, that soul that embodies you know, and that's
that is if if it would be different, if Mark
Pope didn't stress that as a number one priority with
this program and representing the name on the front of
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your jersey and you know, the sacred piece of cloth
and all of the big talking points about the meaning
behind Kentucky basketball. It'd be one thing if if his
messaging were different to kind of, you know, say, hey, no,
we're a player's first program. We care about getting these
guys to the draft and focusing on you know, YadA
YadA YadA. But no, like the things that he said
(08:07):
that this program would embody under his leadership, this team
was not embodying. And I said, well, all right, well
then that's clearly a you know, poor leadership on Pope's
part for not being able to relay that message to
the players. And you know, they're not they're not embodying
any of that. And it was a really disappointing product.
And I didn't enjoy watching them, didn't enjoy rooting for them.
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And then they sure made me eat some crow against
Indiana and Saint John's just the way that they just
poured everything in, especially those second halves. Man just fighting
and grabbing loose balls and attacking the glass and doing
all the scrappy, ugly nitty gritty, dirty, fighting in the
mud kind of kind of ways to win basketball games.
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You know, this isn't the thirty three point attempts kind
of kind of style of play that we thought when
when we hired Mark Pope and what Year one kind
of look like. But you know, you got to kind
of learned a way to win in games however you can,
and and that that's exactly what Saint John's and in
Indiana were, So I thought they deserved all the criticism
that I personally gave them, the coaching staff, the players
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that they sure made me eat some words against Saint
John's and in Indiana with the how they won, even
even more so than the results. So definitely definitely continued
into that with with Bellerman, where it was ugly in
terms of the defense and just kind of a sleepy
pre Christmas game for them. But uh, you know, I
think the big biggest priority was keeping everybody healthy, keeping
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everybody safe, bubble wrap this roster just until we can
get to SEC play. They get attend, got a ten
day break leaving that Bellerman game, and it's a chance
to really regroup going into SEC play.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, if you stay in this business, you'll eat more words,
trust me, eating a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It won't be the last time you'll have to eat
your words.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But one thing I think too, A lot of people
have questioned Mark Pope's coaching ability is strategy, question his roster.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Construction, is recruiting.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I mean, and I think all that's fair and everything.
The only thing I will say is, don't question whether
he connects with Kentucky fans.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Because what he did.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
After the Bellerman game small gesture, but still just shows
how he gets it. When he has what he called
the Pope Girls, give out books commemorating his first season,
some random fans that stayed for the radio show. Then
they give out some t shirts that have one hundred
dollars cash gift certificates attached to them, and then he
announces everybody that stayed, he just want to come on
over to one of the suites. We're going to let
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you get all the pictures in autograph if you want,
with the players. That's going to be our early Christmas
present to you. And all my years of covering Kentucky basketballs,
I've never seen anything quite like that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And so many fans are so.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Happy to be able to do that, And again question
Pope about a lot of things. I don't think, don't
question whether he connects with the fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I think that is probably the best thing that
he does. And I think he it's because he is
a fan. He is a you know, I appreciated that
when I asked him after that tough loss down in Nashville, Hey,
you know, DeMarcus Cousins is saying that your team doesn't
have heart, and he said, well, me, as a former player,
I'd agree with him. I'd be his words. I'd be
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pissed off at the head coach too, And it's like, well,
good glad, we can all be on the same page here.
He gets it. He understands the pulse of the fan
base and what makes them tick, what, you know, pressing
the right buttons at the you know, his very first
press conference saying, you know, hey, we're gonna understand the
assignment and that every game matters. It's we're not gonna
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just play for March, and you know, allow early season
losses and non conference losses and act like those don't matter,
because they do matter. Now. You know, it's easier said
than done, because we have been kind of torturing this
guy all season long for for some of these non
conference losses. So you know, you can't kind of have
your cake and eat it too, because you haven't been
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taking some of those losses. Now that he's actually in
the trenches with some of those things, he needs to
be able to take some of that on the chin,
and I think he has done a relatively good job
with that. But yeah, I think that's just kind of
goes to be said who he is as a person,
and that he's a fan just like the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I was impressed enough last year when he bought ice
cream for a bunch of thousands of people when he
had to leave earlier than what he was going to.
But to come up with this idea or whoever suggested
the idea to him, which is really really that good
thing because they have a really good crowd there on
a Tuesday afternoon to watch him play against Bellman. Then
to reward the people that went ahead and stayed around
because he'd announced it beforehand, everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Would have stayed. But to do that like that, I
thought was just.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Really a nice gesture for him to do it. And
I've had several friends that told me on their way home,
I'm tickled they were, and some people that didn't know
what they were going to get for Christmas, they're now
getting autographs from UK basketball players.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And Larry Larry Jack.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I want to go back to Big Blue Manus and
the fan fest they had and the line they had
for the autograph session with the players. It was long
and they had to cut off the line, and there
was a lot of angry fans that afternoon that did
not get autographs. And I just would like to think
that somewhere down the line, somebody said, Hey, we've got
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to make this right with the fans that did not
get those autographs back in October, and here is one
way that we can do it. And I'm disappointed. I
couldn't stay for autographs. I had to get on the
road and take care of a few things. So I'm
listening to Tom Leach and Mark Pope and I hear
the autograph session announcement after the game, and I'm I'm hurt.
I'm disappointed I didn't stick around, but I'm also happy
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to that Mark Pope and his staff and the players
that have reached out to the fans like that, especially
here a couple of days before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
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Speaker 2 (13:56):
Were back here on six point thirty WLAP.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
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Speaker 1 (14:03):
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Speaker 2 (14:17):
But Jack, I think the thing, probably the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's happened this week for UK was Cam Williams just exploding.
I mean, you watched him in the game in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We talked about a little bit last week.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
He came down and hit those two fast break three
pointers off the assists by Jayln Lowe and you kind
of thought this, maybe it'll kind of get him going.
And he hits two more in the first half against
Bellerman and you're thinking, yeah, this is looking pretty good.
And then my gosh, the second half he's just on fire,
puts in six more three pointers. And I don't know
about about you, Jack, but but just watching the game,
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every time he put it up, it looked good as
soon as he shot it. And to put in eight
threes in one game, he has arrived.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man, And I'm so proud of him because it would
be so easy for him to give up. It would
have been so easy along the way to you know,
used his misshots is as an excuse to give up defensively,
or to not fight on the glass, or to not
you know, finish around the rim and do all the
little things that also contribute to winning. He was brought
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in to be a sniper from deep and you know,
forty one percent three point shooter from Tulane like. He
was brought in to fill the Kobe Brea role, and
he has been a non factor from the perimeter all
season long. It was funny talking to Doug Davenport after
the game. He said, you know, dude's a twenty plus
percent three point shooter all season long, and we would
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throw a zone at him and give him open looks
and he goes eight for ten from three. He's like, well,
Merry Christmas, buddy. We we're the reason why you're able
to you know, get it rolling finally and become the
player ever. You know, Kentucky fans thought they were signing
up for when when you came. So congratulations Mary Christmas,
that's our present to you. But it would have been
easy for him to pout and just you know, get
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hang his head and say, hell, well, my SHOT's not falling.
So I guess I can't be an impact player here.
You know, if if I'm not filling the role that
they brought me into play, then I guess I just
I'm not deserving of minutes. And then instead of doing that,
he says, well, now I'm at a defend. I'm gonna
block shots, I'm gonna get steals, I'm gonna attack the glass,
I'm gonna get put back dunks. I'm you know, whatever
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you need me to do outside of the shots that
I'm missing right now, I'm gonna do it. And then
so we've been waiting for this breakthrough moment where the
shot does finally fall because that is his bread and butter,
and I knew a breakthrough was coming at some point, Larry,
but I would be absolutely lying through my teeth if
I said I expect an eight for ten night from.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Deep now what I want you to be thinking about
Jack as we finished this segment up and before we
go to after we take our break, when we come back,
I'm going to get your kind of ideas on playing
time if they have a healthy roster, what you think
it might look like during the SEC season. But I
want you have a few minutes to think about it
as we're going along right now, So kind of just
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be letting that roll through your brain right now, how
the playing time might be divided up.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But I think you do I think you do this
on purpose, Larry. I think you do this to make
them put my brain in a pretzel and try to
make me, make me confuse and put me on the
spot because we have we have way too many players
deserving of minutes right now. So I think I think
you get great joy out of this.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We're gonna have bow keep track.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So when you get you have playing time with three
hundred and thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Game bo add it all up when you get through.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But that's what I'm here for. So I have a
question for you guys about Cam Williams. The first part
of the season, first four or five games, were you
all concerned that he may get lost in the shuffle
in the lineup as we're moving towards the conference opener here,
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I wouldn't because I was worried they didn't have about
they had a lack of shooters. And I think this
young man shot forty one percent from three point range
at Tulane, and the NBA scouts are talking about him
being a potential first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He's got to be able to shoot.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
So I figured at some point he's going to be
in there making shots. I didn't think he would get
lost because I could think back and you probably can too,
bo to when a guy named Devin Booker was at
Kentucky in that great season that they had, and he
went about six games where he couldn't make a three
point shot. I think he went over six or oh
for seven games he didn't make a three point shot,
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but he was a shooter. And I think it was
the same with me with Cam. I never really worried.
I just kind of wondered. When I don't know about you, Jack,
maybe you're different.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I will say it would have been easy for him
to give up, like it would have been he. I mean,
he came from Tulane, He's never seen this type of success.
This Like, how easy would it have been, guys for
him to look at this and say, hey, well, I'm
not built for Kentucky. I'm built for Tulane.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Like I.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, I could have done it, have done it at
the mid major level and done it at a high level,
and that's great. But man, maybe I'm not built for this.
Maybe I'm not. Maybe the Kentucky brand is too big
and the spotlight is too bright, and you know it.
That's that's kind of how why what makes all of
this so cool? Because it would have been so easy
for him to, you know, kind of fall into that
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trap of you know, I don't but I wouldn't have
believed it. But that's that's his mind and his confidence
and something that he has to address it internally. And
instead of going that, you know, kind of down that path,
he approached it and said, nah, I I have a
role here. I was broad here for a reason. They
think I'm a Kentucky player. So I'm gonna play like
a Kentucky player. And He's worked his way onto the floor,
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deserve to be on the floor even when his shots
weren't falling. And now we get to see the you
know him kind of reap those benefits.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He's I doubt he's gonna get the shoot against his
own defense the rest of.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Us, that would be very dumb of opposing teams.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, I think he'll he's in the game, that'll be
in Kentucky's not going to see his own or I
sure wouldn't think so. But the other thing ought to
give fans a little bit of hope that we've been
kind of waiting for Jasper Johnson to have maybe the
same kind of breakout experience and all like that. He's
known for his shooting ability and he's made some he
just hadn't really got on one of those streaks like
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what Cam did. I'm not saying I think he's going
to hit eight in a game, but I think depending
on how his playing time continues to develop, I think
we're still get to see the best of Jasper Johnson.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It's contagious, Larry, Like I asked Jasper after the game, actually,
you know, if Cam is going red hot, does that
kind of bleed into you and give you a level
of confidence to say, well, if that guy is hitting shots,
then I sure has had ken And you know, I
think it's contagious in the sense of, you know, you
go against Saint John's and you're four for sixteen from three,
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and you go against Indiana you're three of thirteen, whatever
those numbers ended up being. And you know, we're seeing
we saw against Bella and I. You know, if Camp
can go eight for ten, everybody else can go, you know,
combine for sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
All right, well, we're gonna take a break here on
Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, and when we come back,
we're gonna do math with Jack Pilgrim to try to
figure out the playing time if everybody on the Kentucky
roster stays healthy. So stay with us here on Stockyards
Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on wla P six thirty.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Boys this morning, Larry sounds like it, but it's a
little early for me to beg but there's or maybe
there's never a bad time, Dame Larry.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I was gonna say, it sounds like there's more nog
in the egg.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, that's probably true. Where it could just be one
of those old age things that happens to you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You guys will experience that one day eventually, you know
all but Jack, I want I want to kind of
help you walk us myself in Kentucky fans through this
now hoping to get the healthy roster. Jayden Quainton is
looking really good and once he gets to where he
can this go full throttle. I mean, it seems to
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me that's a guy you're looking at that's probably got
to play twenty five thirty minutes. If Jalen Lowe stays
healthy and everything's good with him and you're playing in
these games and he's able, seems like another guy you
want at least twenty five to thirty minutes out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Otaga away.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He was your best player last year. He's a SEC
preseason Player.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He seems to be kind of he's got himself together
twenty five thirty minutes or so for him, But then
you got nine other guys that want to play. Also,
how do you kind of divide this playing time up
going forward? Because that seems like one thing. Sometimes Mark
Pope has a little bit of trouble with and do
a couple of guys just kind of get left behind
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and say, hey, guys, you're just going to kind of
be cheerleaders, and if something comes up and we need
you with vout troubles or injuries, will need you. But
if not, you's got to sit over here with me.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think he's going to have to hurt some feelings, Larry.
I'm not going to be I think in this version
of these math gymnastics that we do so often, I'm
not gonna be the one that says, well, there are
thirteen guys on this roster and all of them deserve
to play fifteen to twenty minutes. So something's got to
give here. Yeah, I just I don't think that that's
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a reality for this team. I think that we have
seen the beauty and kind of tighten things up and
playing the guys that deserve to play and hurting some
feelings unfortunately. So I do think the guys that you
named are deserving the Otegas and Jalen's and Jayden's of
the world are twenty five to thirty minute guys. They are, like,
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I think that needs to be the constance, and I
think from there, Larry, it does become very situational because
I do think that there is a way that Cam
plays his way into games of thirty minutes. But there
are also games that if it's shots not falling and
he's not given the defensive effort or whatever that put
him on the floor to begin with, you know, Pope
(23:57):
probably needs to can you know, try Yellovitch or try whatever.
But you know there's also I think, you know, Andrea Yelovich.
We just saw him go back to back games of
DNP coaches decisions and finally got a little bit of
run against Bellerman, but didn't play a whole heck of
a lot. So I think we're already kind of seeing Pope.
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You know, the big question is is definitely at the
front court spot where you have Jaden being Jaden but
also Brandon Garrison and Malachi who've been staggering those minutes
all season long. You're not gonna be able to do
to play all three of those guys twenty plus minutes.
It's just not gonna happen. So I think it's gonna
be up to BG and Malachi to battle it out,
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and that might be situational. Hey, BG, we need an
energy play, we need a quick block, we need a
steal here, we need an ali You to kind of
just invigorate the fan base, let them get them on
their feet. We need rupperina, you know, at a ten
out of ten, and you're the only guy on the
roster that can give them that at the level that
you do. That's his role, Malachi, take up space. You're
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a you know, big defensive presence, you rebound the ball
exceptionally well, all of the above. You know, we need
you for those things. So I just I think it's
really really hard to say, here's the cut rotation. Everybody
else is out because you know, like tonight, Andrea Yelovich
or on Tuesday, going in Andrea Yelovich going heads up
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against Jack Karasinski against Bellerman, a stretch for six eight
skilled three point shooter. Yeah, that was a space for
him to play that specific matchup. But if you're taking
on a big, burly, physical, sec big that might not
be the favorable matchup for Yelevich. So that's the beauty
of having a roster as deep as Mark Pope does.
(25:44):
But that's also kind of the curse of you. You
got to keep all these you know, mouths fed and
the players happy, and that's much much much easier said
than done.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As you know, over the years, Larry so does Moe's
playing time.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
If quaintance is able to go amount of minutes we
think you might be able to. Now what does that
do to his playing game or is he another one
of those guys If things are going right with him,
you've got to head it on the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He you know, if you're taking on a skilled outside
beats you off the dribble kind of threaten. Maybe that
takes him off the floor some and you need a
yell of itch. You need Cam Williams. You go small
and have him at the floor. I think there's a
space there. But mo I think as he establishes his
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core fit where he doesn't feel the need to launch
threes and be a skilled kind of Swiss army knife,
if you just say, hey, no, you are our tough, physical, offensive,
rebounding presence. We need you to get tough, tough, tough
baskets and rebounds around the rim, and that's it. Defend hard,
do all that. I think he's going to keep himself
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on the floor because there are more favorable matchups in
the SEC for Moodiabatte as we saw as he led
Alabama to a Final four and in Elite eight. That's
there's a lot of space in that league. For him
to play meaningful basketball. So I think Moe's probably closer
to the you know, Jalen Lowe, Otega Oway, Jaden Quainton's
territory of twenty five to thirty than the you know,
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Yellovich go down the list, Trent Noah's, Colin Chandler's of
the world. That might be very situationally based with the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, that kind of leads me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If again, if low and Owah are both doing what
you think they should be doing, and Acquaintance is doing
what he should be and if Moe was in the
situation in the game where he's doing the rebounding and
the defense and the dirty work that you want him
to do, then that leaves Aberdeen, Chandler, Johnson, Trent kind
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of what do you do with those guys and how
do you split their playing time up? It seems to
me the Collins one guy that early in the season
was playing as well or better than maybe just about
anybody that Hay the last three to four weeks not
playing anywhere near that level.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And I need Trent Noah to shoot threes, I need
Colin to make threes. I need you know, Denzel Aberdeen
to play closer to the guy that he is against
was against Bellermann than we saw in some of the
weeks before. Like that's the beauty, that's the gift and
the curse that comes with being as deep as this
team is, where there are times that you know, Denzel's
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gonna take a game over, Colin's gonna go get hot
from from deep, you know, go down, go down the list,
there's the the Trent Noah is gonna finally fire away
and get some shots to fall. But the odds of
all of those things happening in the same game are
slim to none. And I think it's it's gonna be
up to those guys to to strike while the iron's hot.
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They're gonna get shots, They're gonna get opportunities, But are
they gonna make the most of it? Are they gonna
come in and shoot scared? Play scared, you know, defend
scared like he gotta. It's a it's an iron sharpens
iron dog eat dog world. Here in the sec in
Kentucky basketball, you know you got to carve out your
own role. Cam Williams is the perfect example of that,
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Larry where he he did anything and everything to make
sure his butt was on the on the floor that
he gave Pope every single reason to put him on
the floor and say, hey, I know I'm not making
shots right now, but you're gonna you're gonna need all
of the other aspects of my game right now to
to win you basketball games and then just hope that
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the shooting finally figures itself out. So Cam is the
the perfect example of that. And I think the these
other guys, that whole group of players that you name,
it's on them to prove that they belong to Well.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm on the group, and of course obviously very fast,
but I'm on the group that's ready to make Jasper
Johnson the backup point guard and just.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Established that as his role and then to come in
and do whatever else.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What about you, I think Eberdeen is better not playing
the point.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Totally agree. I think that Pope needs to have a
very hard conversation and that that dynamic specifically because I
think Denzel got the benefit of having a really really
really good team around him, with really really good guards
around him, that he was able to kind of fit
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into a perfect system that catered to his skills and
the you know, his biggest strengths. Really it worked to perfection. Uh,
the issue you know with with here is he's not
necessarily the creator and an initiator by himself without the
same level of talent around in the same level of
shooters and you know, superstar college players that Walter Clayton
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and you know elej Martin and all the guys Will
Richard and the guys that that that Todd Golden had
around Denzel last year. So it's tough. It really is tough.
But I think Jasper, especially knowing that that Jalen is
going to be kind of touch and go, that he
there is a chance that he could go in and
in seven seconds his entire season could be altered. That
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We saw that to a t And I think Jasper
is probably the safest bet as a pure point guard.
As we saw against Bellerman. You know, eleven point seven assists,
one turnover. He was a really, really, really good point
guard playing that complimentary role with with Jalen out and mate,
I think Pope needs will lean harder into that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, I think the more he plays it, the better
he will get. I mean against Bellerman, he came in,
he had a turnover within what the first ten seconds
of the first possession he had it. Then from then
on he didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But he just has to be able to play that.
And I think it's settle int like the team.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Maybe it'll help them just to know, Okay, here's what
happens if Jalen goes down, Here's where we go.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But what do we know now? Before we're on air again.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A week from today, Kentucky will have open SEC play
at Alabama. Thumbs up, thumbs down for that game, Jack, Who.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Man, that's tough. You're saying Jalen's availability or just I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Just talking about Kentucky winning the game.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Winning that game, well, that also goes hand in hand
with Jalen's availability. That might have been the reason why
I asked that. I think, oh man, that's tough. That
that really is tough. The the benefit that the thing
working in Kentucky's favor is that that Alabama cannot guard
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a fence post. Right now. They are horrific defensively, but
it's a Nate NATO's coach offense and they're gonna they're
gonna find ways to ding you up on that end
of the floor. So we need to see closer to
the Saint John's level performance that we saw from Kentucky,
more so than what we saw against Bellerman, where the
defense just kind of regressed a little bit, took two
steps back. So I on paper, yes Kentucky can go
(32:53):
down and Tuscaloosa and win that game, but it is
definitely gonna be easier said than done. They got some
work cut out for I'm not gonna I'm look. They
have gotten back in my good graces slightly, but they're
not a fixed team. This is not a team that
I just think, oh well, all of the bad vibes
that we saw, you know, in November and early December
have just magically vanished, and we no longer feel that
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way that they need to prove it. They really dug
themselves a hole and they need to continue to climb out.
They salvage the season by beating Saint John's and getting
through getting through Bellerman with a win, but that does
not mean that this team is still the world beater
that we thought they could be going into the season.
That they got some work to do.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I'm not gonna let the defense against Bellerman worry me
because I've seen too many pre holiday games by Kentucky
basketball over fifty years to let it get me up stick,
and I've seen too many times, so they just are
thinking more about what they're gonna be doing the next
name than interested in playing defense in a game they're
gonna win.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So those things just kind of happen.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So we're gonna take our another break here on Stockgards
Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on WLAP.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Welcome back to Sunday Morning Sports Talk six thirty WLAP
and now Anthony White with his commentary on the Kentucky
volleyball team in the aftermath of the national championship match.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Anthony, I want to start off with thanking everybody for
listening throughout the year twenty twenty five and making the
show so special to everybody. There's some good times, there's
some bad times, there's some low times, there's some uptimes,
but I do appreciate everyone for listening every week. I
did want to start off by speaking about our volleyball shortcomings,
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and I want to start off by saying it was
a magnificent season. Skinners. Winners did their thing. I think
it's a lot for them to be proud of. I
also think The only thing better that could have happened
with this season in volleyball was that we brought home
the championship. We lost two top matches in the regular season,
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and I thought that probably prepared us for a situations
throughout the tournament when you get tough times. But Texas
A and M was they had been rolling, they had
been playing almost flawless volleyball. I got to the point
on social media that, you know, I thought, you know,
I'm not really very superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
(35:23):
But there was points throughout the Master's points throughout the
season that I always feel like if you change the
polarity of something, because I'm an energy person.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
That it could change things. Volleyball never caught traction.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Against Texas A and M and the championship match, they
never caught traction, and I tried to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I could.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
I mean, obviously, I don't really really believe that my interaction,
my watching or not watching makes a difference. What I
do want to address before I move on to you know,
bigger and better things, was that throughout the match we
didn't play well. That's fine, whatever reason delay was hurt.
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You know, there's a lot of things going. It's been
a long season. We played obviously win a championship. We
played more games than most people have played all season.
So our team probably a little bit banged up, a
little bit tired, no excuses whatever, because the accomplishment at
the end of the day, getting to the championship is remarkable.
This is our second time the school history getting to
the champion That itself is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
We need to do better with when we lose, and
that's fine.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
If you want to take jabs of me and say
I put the horse before the wagon, and you know
Larry wallspoken, don't speak too early. Here's my stought, my
thought as a player.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
If you think I'm.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Gonna win or lose as an opponent or a fan,
that does not affect me. That does not affect me
at all. So the alternative to me thinking that we
are going to win the national championship, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
To go on there. No, I could have been humble
and you know, let's wait and see. Yeah, I could
have did that.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
That's not my style. My style is my team is balling.
I'm out here supporting them. I'm happy for him, and
if we win, everything's fine. We didn't win we didn't
play well. The problem was there was negativity being thrown
at the players well with the season was.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
This they played terrible. Okay, they know they played terrible.
We don't need you. We do not need you to
reiterate that to them.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
We do not need you to make them feel like
this is a ferry for the second time going to
the tournament or to go to the championship game in
the school's history. No, that is not what competition is about.
My outlook on competition was We're gonna win the national championship.
I'm already calling it. Called my shot. Litte though, beat
(37:49):
me up all your wants. That's fine. No, we didn't
make it. You put the orders before the wagon. Okay,
I should have said we're gonna lose. We'd have felt better.
I could have been conservative. You probably would have felt
better if we win. This whole discussion is not over.
But please support the young ladies. Still, uh, still support
the young ladies, and you don't let them know some
(38:10):
magnificent season because you get to the doorstep and you
knock on the door and the door is not open.
I mean I said that with the Asia thig Pins
Dad last week, I said that on the show that
there's an ultimate high with that comes an ultimate loan.
If Asia and her team wins the national championship, coach
(38:31):
Stigpen is.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Gonna be happy.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
He's gonna hug his daughter, gonna confetti and everything else
is gonna be flowing. If she does not, then he
has to be a father his you know, the whole family,
Big Blue Nation, coaching, the players, everybody has to rally
around these these young ladies because they played their hearts
out whatever level it was. If it didn't match up
to your level as a fan, fine, do whatever you
(38:53):
want to do with that. But she but they did do.
They did have a great season. For some of the
things I saw on social media probably should not have
been said. The ones to me I thought were funny
that I had an impact on the match, but hey,
that makes it an interesting show.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Thank you, Anthony and on behalf of Anthony White, Larry
Vault and Jack Pilgrim. Thank you for listening to Sunday
Morning Sports Talk in twenty twenty five. I'm Bo Robinson
and we wish you all the best for twenty twenty six.
Happy New Year From Sunday Morning Sports Talk six point
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