September 9, 2024 • 61 mins
With the release of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, Mike professes why he doesn’t mind a legacy sequel when done correctly. He shares his Top 8 80’s movies he thinks should get sequels. In the Movie Review, Mike gives his thoughts on Beetlejuice Beetlejuice directed by Tim Burton who also did the original. He shares the history of the 1998 movie and how the sequel compares to it, Jenna Ortega’s horror legacy and Michael Keaton’s return as the Iconic character. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and why it is subtly the best video game adaptation right now and how it brought Jim Carrey out of retirement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I am
your host Movie Mike. Today, I want to share with
you eight eighties movies that I think needs sequels. They
deserve them because in the movie review, we're talking about Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice,
a movie that finally got it sequel, and I'm gonna
tell you the recipe for it actually working and not
feeling like a cash grab. In the trailer park, we're
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talking about Sonic the Hedgehog three and low key why
it is the best video game adaptation out there right now.
It even brought Jim Carrey out of retirement, so we'll
get into that. Thank you for being here, thank you
for being subscribed, Thank you for telling a friend shout
out to a Monday morning movie crew.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He Now, let's talk movies.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast,
one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
With the release of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, I wanted to share
with you my top eight eighties movies that I think
need sequels.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I know what you're saying. We're gonna suspend a
little belief right here.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We're gonna destroy the narrative of the people who say
that everything is a sequel, everything is a remake, that
Hollywood has no original ideas. Right now, I can see that.
I look at the movie list coming out every single year,
and yes, you do see a lot of remakes. You
do see a lot of sequels. I don't necessarily always
view that as a bad thing. I think we need
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things that feel familiar. And for me, somebody who just
looks out at wanting cinema, wanting theaters to succeed, wanting
them still to be around, I am down for anything
that gets people going to the theater. Beatle Justice, Beatle
Juice had a great opening weekend that I think a
lot of people weren't expecting because it's a cold classic.
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It isn't a cash cow that everybody's just automatically going
to go see a new Beatle Just movie.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So I think that is surprising.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The recipe I see here and what is different to
me from other just random eighties movies that get thrown
out and made a sequel to is you have Tim
Burton coming back as the director original director, so you
have that creative vision going into it. So if the
original director is attached to the remake, I don't see
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an immediate red flag. You either need that or you
need an A plus list actor to return and be
the driving force in the movie. Be so passionate about
it that they want to see an actual extension of
the story, they're gonna do it justice.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The example I use with.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That is Tom Cruise with Top Gun two that came
out in twenty twenty two and save the box office
that summer, and he was so passionate about getting that
that movie made and getting it released in theaters because
it was supposed to be released so.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Much earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But then, of course twenty twenty happened and held onto
that movie's released it because he knew this movie needs
to be seen on the big screen and needs to
have that rollout in order to be successful. I don't
always agree or even like Tom Cruise, but I believe
in this passion for the movie going in theater experience
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that I just appreciate him as an advocate, So you
either need to have the original director or somebody like
Tom Cruise who starred in the original one and be
able to come back and really.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Champion the movie.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And the only third way I really see it working
is if it's a movie that went really under the radar,
maybe didn't get the most attention, but there is this
odd fan base for it, a cult classic, if you will,
much like Beetlejuice, that making a sequel to it will
make a very select group of people happy. And of
course that's probably a bit of a risk because those
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movies probably didn't do that great in their initial run.
And even though it might feel like, oh, we're connived,
let's just go through any movie that had any kind
of notoriety or any kind of buzz back in the
day and bring that back and maybe people won't even notice,
maybe people will actually think this is new. It is
a bit of a risk, and I think I have
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one of those on my list that I'm going to
get into here. But I think those are really the
only three instances on when it won't feel like a
cash grap because at this point, any eighties movie that
needed or deserved or didn't deserve a sequel has got one.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Just look at this year alone.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
In twenty twenty four, we got a new Alien movie
originated in the eighties. We got a fall Guy movie,
which the TV show originated in the eighties. Of course,
Beetlejuice we're talking about. We had a Roadhouse movie. That
movie did not need a sequel. It really didn't even
connect with the original Roadhouse movie, but we got that
and are probably gonna get a another installment of that
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movie pretty soon. We got a Garfield movie, and of
course the comic strip originated in the seventies, but the
TV show that the movie is really based on originated
in the eighties. We also had a Dune sequel, so
a lot of eighties influence in twenty twenty four. Let's
get right into the list at number eight. A movie
that came out in nineteen eighty six. It's one of
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my favorite football movies of all time. Actually two of
my favorite all time favorite football movies came out in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But it is Lucas.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The reason I feel that this movie needs a sequel
is one I identified a lot with the character of Lucas.
If you're not familiar with this movie, it is a
character named Lucas played by Corey Heim, which how more
quintessential eighties actor can you get than Corey Heim sadly
passed away, but he was such a dominant force in
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the eighties when it came to childhood and teenage actors.
And he played this character named Lucas, who was a
really smart teenager and he was trying to get this girl,
and in order to impress, he joined the football team.
She was the new girl in school played by Carrie Green.
Charlie Sheen was in the movie. He tried to protect Lucas.
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Y'all said, w I know in a writer, So an
incredible eighties cast, and the reason I want to see
a sequel to Lucas is probably a little bit selfish.
But in the eighties and nineties, there was this category
of movie with a plotline nerdy boy tries to get
hot girl, and that was a lot of movies and
us as viewers, we love to root for the underdog.
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We love to root for the guy to get the girl,
the girl to get the guy. The will they won't they?
That has just been a constant in TV and movies,
and I feel in the last ten fifteen years we
don't really have those type of movies anymore, and it's
probably in the same way that we've had less comedies
in the last five, six, seven, even decade, we've also
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ahead less of this type of plot line because it's
not quite a rom com, it's not quite a full
on comedy. It is this very specific coming of age movie.
And I would say for a Lucas two, it doesn't
even have to be a nerdy guy trying to get
the girl. You could do the reverse here. I'm seeing
the plot line of the music video You Belong with
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Me by Taylor Swift, where she's the nerd in that
movie in the band trying to get the guy on
the football team, so much like they did with He's
All That, She's All That. You could flip Lucas somehow
make it the daughter of Lucas, and you switch the
entire plot of the movie and it works. You get
Lucas too. That is why I want to see that movie.
I have Lucas two at number eight. At number seven
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is a movie from nineteen eighty five. I want to
see a sequel to Sesame Street Presents. Follow That Bird,
Give Me Part Two. This is a movie that I
discovered on a VHS tape. I'm not sure exactly what
movie that I watch so much in my childhood that
I remembered all the trailers, and this was one of
the trailers that when you pop into that VHS tape
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you had to sit through them. You don't have that anymore.
Our version of that is maybe a pop up ad
on social media. Scrolling through TikTok. Every now and then
you get a movie trailer, you hop onto YouTube you
see trailers. But before that, for DVDs, when you got
a VHS, it had the baked in movie trailers of
other movies that you could go by right now. But
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I remember watching this trailer all the time, and I
finally was able to actually watch the movie. And I
love this category of movie. And the interesting thing about
Sesame Street movies is they've only made two that came
out in theaters. The first one was this one, followed
That Bird, which came out in nineteen eighty five, and
then they had another one in nineteen ninety nine, Elmo
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and Grouchland. Sadly, the thing about sesame Street movies not
that profitable, which is so surprising to me that a
TV show as popular as Sesame Street would have box
office BOMs. Follow that Bird only made thirteen million dollars
at the box office, probably cost around ten million dollars
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to make. They didn't even release the numbers for how
much this movie costs to make. But the Ilman movie
in ninety nine cost twenty six million dollars to make
and only may eleven million dollars at the box office.
So after that they said, Okay, no more Sesame Street movies.
It could be the model of Sesame Street. You're having
to go pay for something in theaters that you could
get at home for free. And it also has a
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very young audience, so maybe it's hard to kind of
convert that into getting people and families out to go
to the theater to watch it. Because I feel like
a Sesame Street movie. Now I'm kind of talking myself
out of it, but I feel like a Sesame Street
movie has just.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
A very very key demographic of.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Young young kids, unlike some of the Illumination or Disney
movies that are fun for the entire family. But to
me as a kid, I love follow that. Bird had
an amazing cast. You had Waylon Jennings in this movie.
You had Chevy Chase, you had John Candy, you had
the classic Sesame Street humor. My favorite joke out of
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the entire movie is whenever they're trying to track down
Big Bird, because what happens in this movie. Big Bird
is living in Sesame Street, living his normal life, loving it,
and then he is sent to live with a bird
family much like he is, ends up. He doesn't like
that bird family whatsoever and decides that he misses his
friends and wants to go back to Sesame Street.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So it's him getting away from.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
There, and then all the Sesame Street characters trying to
find Big Bird now that he is lost. But there's
this big road trip, and I love a movie with
the road trip. But there's one joke where they're like, oh,
it's the fork in the road, and there's like a
literal fork in the road.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Classic comedy. Me as like a four or five year old.
I ate that up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I know these movies have not been successful, but
as you can hear in my voice that twenty five,
twenty seven years after I watched this movie, I'm still
thinking about it. Even though they didn't make a whole
lot of money at the box office, that doesn't mean
that these movies aren't impactful. Maybe it's a straight to
MAX type movie, because that is just the nature of
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things now we don't have straight to videos straight to
vhs anymore. Maybe it's a Max original Give me Follow
That Bird Too at number six from nineteen eighty three
when the original came out.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Kujo two is a sequel. I would love to see.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Reason is I just remember this being the go to
scary movie that everybody talked about when I was growing up.
Have you seen Kujo The Story of the Killer Dog,
one of I believe Stephen King's best movies in the eighties.
It is a movie that just feels like it gets
a referenced so much even if you haven't seen it.
But essentially what happens in Kujo is, well, you have
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a killer dog, and it's this family trapped in a
car the entire time and them trying well not to
be eaten by Kujo, and the movie is truly terrifying.
His bloody snout is just a great, fantastic movie, and
I am surprised that we have not had a sequel
to it now. Stephen King did put out another book
called Rattlesnakes, which does serve as the sequel to Kujo,
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primarily focusing on the human characters taking place in the
aftermath of Kujo, which spoiler alert doesn't turn out so great.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So you do have the source material here.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There is a story for Kujo too, you could throw
in make it another dog of just all the horror
movies that come out now, and a lot of them
are just not that good. I'm very rarely moved by
a horror movie, although I do think twenty twenty four
has been a great year for horror. If you're gonna
bring something back that people are gonna talk about, be
passionate about, I think a Kujo movie would be perfect
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for that, especially if done correctly.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Because although I love.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
The original, everything about the eighties always had a little
bit of cheesiness to it, and I think.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Overall, from all the modern.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Decades, the eighties just happened to be my least favorite.
Because of that. I just feel like a lot of
the fashion, a lot of the music, a lot of
the slang as age like milk. Over the years, I
can watch a movie that came out in the eighties
and I pretty much instantly know it just because of
how it looks, not so much now with movies in
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the late nineties, twenty and twenty tens, all of that
has kind of been homogenized a little bit to where it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
All kind of starts to look the same.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You get a certain level of modern and you can't
really tell where things past that or place. Or maybe
it's just because how old I am now, but eighties
always feels like it looks so eighties. And that is
still the feeling I get when watching the original Kujo.
So if you take that one, make it a little
bit more terrifying, because I know you could do it
now with better cinematography and take all the things that
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made the original grade. I actually think a sequel would
do really well. So I have Kujo two is a sequel.
I want to see at number six, at number five
from nineteen eighty seven, born in East La, I think
this is there a sequel.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is a movie that I feel goes.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Under the radar a lot on a grand scale, but
for somebody like me who grew up Mexican American born
in East Lay is a must see. I feel like
as a Mexican American, we have a ten commandments of
movies over the years that have represented us in a
way that it is a ride of passage to watch.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And know all of these movies.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Born in East LA Is definitely one of them. Cheech
Money In in the eighties was just hands down one
of the best. And I never really got into all
of the Cheech and Chong movies. I didn't really find
that whole comunic routine to be that funny. So therefore
or I to really put those movies.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In that category for me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
But when it comes to my favorite movies of his
of all time, Born in East LA is number one.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
What happens in Born in East La Because you probably
haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I have just watched this movie so much growing up,
had the VHS tape one of the first movies I
got on DVD whenever I found it in the dollar bin,
like probably early two thousands. But his character is going
to pick up his consin from work who works in
a factory. While he's at that factory, they come in
and raid the place and just start deporting people. And
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he left the house without his wallet, no identification. He
gets deported and he's having to prove that he is American,
and he can't do it. He can't even name the
president of the United States. So he gets stuck in
Mexico and has to find a job to make money
to pay someone to sneak them back into the United States,
even though he's an American citizen. So it's all the
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relationships he forms in Mexico. What he learns about is
culture and one of the best ending scenes of my lifetime.
And again it's more on a personal level. I don't
think I would put this up in the best ending
closing scenes of all time, but for me personally, I
get emotional when I see the ending, and I think
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it's because of the song playing. You have the Neil
Diamond song We're Coming to America, And I don't know
why I want to not spoil the ending for me,
even though this movie came out more than thirty years ago,
But it's that song paired with the message of this movie,
the whole idea of even in the eighties, of how
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Mexican Americans were treated and how a lot of those
things are still an issue today. What an impactful scene,
what an impactful message, and done in a very comedic
way throughout the entire movie. And if you look at
maybe some of the nature of the jokes, maybe a
lot of them don't age in the best way.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
But I feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That is just comedy movies as a whole. But if
I were to see him get back into the close
of Rudy, the character he plays in this movie, and
do a sequel to Born in East La two as
a follow up, I'll take that all day over any
other teaching chung bit. So give me Born in East
La two at number four is one that's gonna upset
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a lot of people, but it has to be on
this list. Originally coming out in nineteen eighty two is
e T two. I feel like this has been talked
about for so long now for the majority, I feel
people are so against it, and on any other given day,
I might be in that category. But what I was
talking about earlier, if you bring back an original director,
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bring back Steven Spielberg, it has so much more impact.
If you bring back the original cast of this movie.
Do you know how much that would just hit in
the fields. They did it briefly with like a super
commercial of just teasing the idea of an ET sequel,
and that gave me chills. And again a lot of
people are going to have that outrage, that fake outrage
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of Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Can't believe they're remaking this movie. It shouldn't be touched.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
The only reason I feel, and they wouldn't even be
remaking it, they'd just be doing a sequel.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Here. The only real time I.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Feel a movie shouldn't be remade is how I felt
about The Crow being remade without Brandon Lee. Because he
died while making that movie. That movie should be his legacy.
That movie should never be remade. They've made sequels to
that movie, that's fine, change the character, but don't remake
the original making a sequel.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I feel, as long as.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You have what we've been talking about this entire episode,
somebody who has a connection to the original is going
to push what made that first movie great onto this
second movie. We saw it done with Top Gun two,
which I believe is better than Top Gun one. It
can be done, but often these movies fall into the
category of people just doing it to make money and
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people doing it to have something out that people just
identify and know. I don't think that would be the
category here, because for an ET two to get made,
so many people would have to sign off on it
that by the time it got to them actually starting
on production, they would have to be in a really
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good place. So I hope in my lifetime that I
do see an ET two. Because I really don't feel
that a sequel can tarnish the legacy of the first movie.
I can choose to not accept it into the filmography
and think, ah, to me, only that movie exists. Given
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I've done this with the Toy Story movies. For me,
that movie series ended after three, and I even saw
Quentin Tarantino talking about this. But I was talking about
this years ago when Toy Story four came out. For me,
that series to me ended with three, and Tarantino said
that he refuses to watch four, and I will watch four.
I'm not gonna be happy about watching five, but I
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can watch those knowing that what they really wanted to
do is just make a trilogy, and now all this
other stuff is extra. You don't want to watch it,
don't watch it. But for me of being constantly curious
about how different directors interpret certain film franchises, I will
always be curious to see it. I'm not always going
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to like it, but I think they have the right
to make them, and I know that along that path
that I walk, I'm gonna run into movies where I'm
gonna be duped and it's just gonna be a studio
saying let's make this movie so we can make some
money off of it.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So those will happen too.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But after all that outrage settles, I do think there
could be a really good story in.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There for ET two.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And oh think of how much better the special effects would.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Be, even though that movie did rely.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
A lot on practical effects, the cinematography, everything would just
be so much more elevated if that movie was made today.
So at number four, I have a sequel to ET.
At number three from nineteen eighty seven, I have Over
the Top, starring Sylvester Stallone. This was the first movie
that my dad and I bonded over for a couple
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of reasons.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The movie is rooted in.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Sylvester Saloon's relationship with his son, who he kind of abandoned,
was kind of a deadbeat dad, and then tries to
repair that relationship. Sylvester Saloon's character in this movie just
happens to be a truck driver, which my dad has
been a truck driver now for over thirty years. Since
I was a kid, he's been driving trucks and when
this movie came out. That's all really my dad saw
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and needed to see. He is a truck driver, he
has cool muscles. I want to be like that guy.
He somewhat resembles me. I am down to watch that
movie and I think the scenes of him and his
son driving around in his eighteen wheeler is probably what
we bonded over the most, because that is what I
did growing up. Some of my favorite memories were going
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on loads with my dad all across Texas, riding and
sleeping in the back while he was driving through the night,
drinking his coffee. I remember him listening to the radio
to a lot of Spanish talk shows. I think that
is also probably where my fascination with radio talk shows
is kind of rooted in, because that's all he listened
to and they were all in Spanish, and I think
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that's probably where some of those things just kind of
started to like click in my brain.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And maybe letter as I.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Was a teenager, it's like, oh, I should get into
talk shows because maybe my dad was some day listened
to my show.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know that he ever has.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're not on in the city where they live, but
it was seeing Sylvester Stallone had that relationship with his
son and then doing the arm wrestling. I mean when
he would flip that hat, turn it backwards to take
it over the top. It doesn't get more Eighties than that.
And you think about Sylvester Stallone where he is right
now in his career. If he could do a movie
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like Samaritan on Amazon, which was a trash movie, a
movie I thought was going to be good about him
being a superhero going into hiding. If he still has
it in him to do a movie like that, he
definitely has a movie like Over the Top two. If
he's still out here doing Expendable six, seven, eight, nine,
and ten, why not give us an Over the Top two.
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And it's probably not one of his most renowned movies
of his career, obviously known primarily for the Rocky movies.
But Over the Top, Oh, that is right there in
my heart above all those movies, just because I have
such great memories of watching that movie as a kid
with my dad.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So give me that experience again.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Let me take my dad to the theater, who does
not like going to the movie theater. I don't think
he has ever sat through an entire movie at the
theater without falling asleep. My dad gets a drink, gets
a popcorn, and that is all the time you have
him for in that movie.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
As soon as he takes that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Last sip, as soon as he eats that last colonel
of popcorn, he is down for the count. He is
going to sleep. Maybe makes it fifteen twenty minutes in
a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But if Over the Top two came.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Out in theaters, give me that experience of being able
to take my dad to watch something we bonded over
when I was a kid, that he can see himself
in a character, see a truck driver being portrayed in
a cool way. Give me that experience. Sylvester Stallon'll make
it happen. Over the Top two is on my list
at number three of eighties movies. I believe need to
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have a sequel at number two. If you didn't want
to turn this podcast off after number four because of
what I picked, you're probably gonna want to. Now this
is going to cause even more outraged than that one.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
The Goonies too.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The Goonies came out in nineteen eighty five, and I
think when I talk to my friends, this is so
many of theirs just favorite movies of old time. So
much so that one of my friends is going to
get married where they filmed or around where they filmed
this movie because he loves this movies so much. I
think when it comes to just the most beloved movies
out of the eighties, it is right there at the top.
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And I think even when it comes to a lot
of people's favorite movies of all time, this is probably
top five of movies I hear the most. This one
and for His Gump are right up there in that
top five. And I think it's the fact that this
sequel has been flirted with a lot because you still
have a lot of the cast still alive.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Josh Brolin's in this movie.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You kind of forget that, but a lot of the
cast is still around, and they always kind.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Of like, oh, we could do another one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Corey Fellman out there performing what I can only interpret
as some kind of performance art, because he does concerts
where he is not a great musician. He is not
a great singer, and I feel that those performances that
I see of him on TikTok are really just him
messing with the audience doing guitar solos where he's not
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a good guitar player. I've even interviewed Corey Fellman on
this podcast, and in that interview he felt so different
to me than what I see him doing out in concert.
So I have to believe like that is some kind
of act. I have to believe that if they came
together and really had the script for a Goonies two,
that it could work. Nineteen eighty five, we are almost
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at the forty year mark of that movie being released,
and I think once you get to that mark is
when you kind of decide do you want to make
a sequel to that movie with the original cast? And
I think that could be a thing that hurts us
ever seeing a sequel or even a remake of Goonies,
is because they're going to kind of be out there
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and think, why are we not being a part of it?
Kind of the same thing we experience with the original
Twister cast not being involved in the Twister sequel, and
that movie came out in the nineties, and I think
the difference in those two is Goonies just has this
more passionate fan base. It's obviously been around longer, but
I think the Goony means a lot more to a
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lot more people for an entirely different way that it
would kind of feel a little bit like them doing
an injustice to the cast that is still around and
able to do a sequel. But a plus adventure movie
has a fantastic soundtrack. There is nothing that I would
change about this movie. And I think with a movie
like Beetlejuice Beatle Juice coming out in theaters right now,
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I just have those in my head as kind of
being on that same level as far as what it
comes to be an iconic eighties movie. So I think
it could happen. I would definitely be excited to see it.
It is one that I agree I would be hesitant
to go see because the first one is so great.
The first one is perfect. I'm not saying they could
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get it right, but I would at least like to
see them try. I would like to see that sequel.
At number two, I have the sequel to Goonies. But
at number one on my list of eighties movies that
I want to see a sequel too is Oliver and Company.
The original came out in nineteen eighty eight, and this
is historically, I would say, the worst era for Disney.
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I mean, you could argue what era they are in now.
But I think they're kind of on the way back up.
But this was seen as a bad era, not because
of the stories, but because of the animation. This time
period was known as the Xerox era and then had
to do with the type of animation they used, which
was very cheap because they were trying to make these
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movies faster and more affordable. But as you know, you
can do something cheap, you can do something fast, but
you can't do something good. So a lot of the
animation at this time was seen as being pretty lifeless.
If you look at some of the art in these
movies and pay attention, you can see that some of
it lacks a little bit of attention to detail. There
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are background being reused, there is some lazy design on
some of the characters because of this Xerox method that
they were using that was basically just how can you
make this as fast as possible, get all these animations
done very quickly, but when you see it on the
big screen, maybe doesn't have that same warmth and same
flow that Disney was known to use. So a lot
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of these movies, even though given the time that you
were born, given the movies you grew up with, you
maybe have a personal attachment to them, but overall they
weren't seen as the best and also didn't perform the
best at the box office. But for me, Oliver in
Company was top tier when it came to the story. Obviously,
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it is a take on Oliver twist. You have the
cat Oliver, who is the only cat not picking up
for adoption. The movie starts in the most oppressing way.
You have Oliver in this box of cats, and one
by one they all get picked up by other kids
who want to take that cat home, and Oliver just
sitting there all excited, waiting for his kid to come
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pick them up. Nobody ever comes for Oliver. What does
come for Oliver?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The rain? The rain washes.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Away his cardboard box and he gets put out into
the sewer and then gets discovered by a group of
dogs that are straight dogs.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They just run the streets singing songs. Why should I
wool Rah? Why should I care? Billy?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Joel did not need to go off on this soundtrack
the way he did, But for some reason he saw
Oliver and Company and thought, I'm gonna make this my
best piece of work. Ever, I don't even consider myself
a fan of his music piano man, Ah, you take
that song out of here.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I've never felt any emotion from any Billy.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Joel song, but while watching Oliver and Company, I'm singing
at the top of my lungs throughout this entire movie.
And I feel that now would be a great time
to make a sequel because Disney can make up for
what they did back in the xerox era cutting corners
just in order to get movies out there. Now with technology,
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you can make this movie look so much better. You
can get back some of the original voice cast. If
you haven't seen this original or you haven't shown your
kids all Over in Company, it is on Disney Plus.
I highly recommend it. But because of the animation style,
if you have younger kids who are like, ah, this
stuff looks terrible, that's trash. They may see Oliver in
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Company and think this looks so old and therefore be
bored by it. That's why we need to make a
sequel to it. So make it happen, Disney. But that
is my list, my top eight movies from the eighties
I think needs sequels.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We'll come back.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'll give you my spoiler free review on Beatle Juice Beetlejuice,
and in the trailer park we'll be talking about Sonic
the Hedghog three. Let's get into it now, A spoiler
free movie review of Beetlejuice.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
On this episode, we've been talking about legacy sequels. This
one takes place thirty six years after the original Beetlejuice
came out in nineteen eighty eight, and in order to
know where we are going, we gotta know where we
have been the history of Beetlejuice. It's pretty interesting. Tim
Burton is a very dynamic director. You see a single
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frame of a Tim Burton movie and you probably automatically
know it's him. He has a very distinct style, dates
back to his first film that he directed, Pee Wee's
Big Adventure, which I kind of forgot he did. And
usually for episodes like this, I do a deep dive
into a director and watch all their movies and rank
their movies, and maybe another episode i'll do that. The
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reason I didn't want to do that this time is
because I didn't want to torture myself with Tim Burton's
bad movies. Because he has a pretty wide range really good,
top tier movies, which I would consider the original Beatle
Juice to probably be his signature movie, the one that
put him on the map. After that one, he got Batman,
he did Edward Scissorhan, Batman Returns. I would say in
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the two thousands his quality diminished at least when it
came to the live action stuff, and depending on what
version of Tim Burton you like, you could be all
into his animated movies, which he does really well. I
don't think he really misses when it comes to his
animated movies even later in his career, with franken Weenie
being one of my favorite animated movies in the spooky genre.
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But he's also done movies that I just can't get
behind the remake of Willy Wonka, but Charlie in the
Chocolate Factory, I can't stand that movie, Alice in Wonderland.
I didn't want to put myself through that dark shadows
all that. I didn't want to go back and Rewatch.
He had a lot of movies, So it was really
Beetlejuice that put him on the map. And the reason
he got that movie is because Peebe's Big Adventure was
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such a major success, did really well. It had that
quirky style, a lot of practical effects which he is
known for, which I love. I talk about that all
the time. So Warner Brothers saw that and they had
him do Beetlejuice, which they were able to make for
only fifteen million dollars. And another thing I just always
stress is the reason Hollywood loves anything in the horror genre,
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which I really don't classify. Beetlejuice to be a horror movie.
Dark comedy has the spooky vibes, puts you in that
spirit of Halloween. But even the original Beetlejuice came out
in March in nineteen eighty eight, didn't come out around
Halloween time at all. And I will say Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice
definitely means more into those spooky vibes coming out in
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September leading up to Halloween. I feel like this one
a little bit more rewatchable around Halloween because I didn't
really associate the first one with Halloween, just it becoming
a cult classic. Even though it had the commercial success,
it just started to become associated with the Halloween time.
But they were able to make it for that fifteen
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million dollars and it ended up grossing seventy four million
dollars at the box office, so a huge hit. And
then the next year, in nineteen eighty nine, he was
given Batman, which those first two Batman movies I love,
And that was at a time where the superhero genre
isn't what it is today. There was no reference for
anything really having success at the box office, and at
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the time it was seen as darker and grittier, which
is wild thinking now that we just had The Batman
with Robert Pattinson a few years ago and that was
seen as like the darkest and grittiest one. But before that,
it was Adam West Surfing, and that was what we
knew was Batman. But if you look back on those
first two Batman films with Michael Keaton, those are two
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of my favorites, just because as a kid I watched those.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Time and time again. Batman is in my.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Top three superheroes of all time. But it has that
Tim Burton vibe, that Tim Burton energy, a lot of
practical effects, very dark, and those movies were marketed towards
the kids, which is kind of the same deal with Beatlejuice.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
The first one was rated PG.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Beetlejuice drops the F bomb in the first movie and
it's still got a PG rating. There are scenes of
him looking under trying to get a glimpse under Geena
Davis's skirt, and the movie still got a PG rating.
Wild what not happen today? Very rarely do you even
see a movie get a G rating unless it's PAWP Patrol.
Pretty much at minimum Pixar Disney movies, they still get
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a PG rating. Very rare for anything to get AG
rating because it has to be so squeaky clean for
that movie to get a PG rating is wild. Would
definitely be PG thirteen rating by today's standards, which is
what Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is because you get the one F bomb.
Interesting thing that this one did. They had the two
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F bombs in there, but the second one was bleeped
out because you can't say it twice, and you get
the R rating, and then it definitely changes the genre
of the movie. You get a handful of S words.
I think it's three. I don't know if there's a
strict code on how many you get, but they threw
those around pretty generous here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So it's not a full on family.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Movie, which I think a lot of people associate the
first one with but it was because of the original Beetlejuice.
Really why Tim Burton is where he is today. He
makes movies for a relatively low budget, at least early
in his career, they made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Due to the profit margin.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He really plays into the campy style in that first
movie and also continuing in this sequel, using a lot
of practical effects that look kind of cheesy, kind of cheap,
but that's kind of a style, so it works if
you were doing it with purpose and intent. It doesn't
look like you were cutting corners. Because he is able
to use stop motion and claymation in a way that
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is very creative, very him, very dark, very macabre. So
it really plays into his style, and that is what
I like about Tim Burton. So if I were to
hand pick my favorite Tim Burton films, I would probably
go back to the original Beetle Juice, his early work,
the original Beetlejuice, the first two Batman movie movies, and
then his animated work. I know a lot of people
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associate him with The Nightmare Before Christmas, but actually didn't
direct that movie. It just had his name attached to it.
So I also love like Franken Weeny, Corpse Bride, pretty
much anything you could go to hot topic to in
the late to mid two thousands and get a T
shirt of like, oh Man, you probably inspired so many
goth kids fashion choices.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But that is Tim Burton. So that is the where
we've been.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Now where are we going with the new Beetlejuice movie.
This movie takes place thirty six years after the original movie.
You have a lot of the original cast back, why
not a rider Catherine O'Hara, who is fantastic, probably had
a bit of a resurger just.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
In her career from Shit's Creek. But you also have,
of course Michael Keaton back as Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Who you don't have back is Alec Baldwin or Geena Davis.
The movie does mention their characters a little bit, but
it's not really revolving around that story whatsoever. And who
gets introduced Jenna Ortiz as the daughter of Lydia. Her
name is Astrid. She is very much like Whynoda Ryder
was in the original movie, Very angsty, very dark. What
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their story is Her dad died, her mom has been
struggling with the grief and her mom. Lydia is now
a talk show host where she talks to the dead,
but her daughter Astrid is upset with her because this
whole time her career revolves around her talking to the dead,
she has never talked to her dad.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
She holds that against her mom.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Also, the beginning of the movie, Lydia's dad dies in
a very tragic accident, and I laugh as I say
that is because they do it in a very ridiculous way,
which is what the Beljuice movies do. There is some
death in killing. I would say it's a little bit
darker in this one, but it's very campy. So even Kelsey,
who really wasn't too interested in watching this movie doesn't
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really like anything Halloween based. I will say it's not
overly grotesque in any way, because it's all very playful,
all very fun. There is like some blood splatter, but
it's nothing you would see in like a slasher film.
So Astrid is having a very hard time having a
good relationship with her mom.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And then you have Beetlejuice's.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Story, which I love the fact that there's the A
plot and the B plot, which in the first movie,
Beatle Juice was only on the screen. I think like
eighteen minutes out of that entire movie. Michael Keaton definitely
gets a lot more screen time in this one. He
is dealing with his ex wife who has come back
to life and wants to kill him. So how the
two stories intersect is what makes this movie a lot
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of fun. It's right around an hour and thirty six minutes,
and I will say I found myself pleasantly entertained throughout
the entire movie.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I think it's because I realized it's been so.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Long since we've had a movie that is just fun
and quirky. It is such a risk to make a
movie like this, and it wasn't back in the eighties.
You could do fun and ridiculous movies. But now I
feel like there's almost this standard of you can't have fun.
You have to do all these things right in order
to get people behind your movie.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
And it was nice to see all of the quirkiness
go up a level.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
A lot of the visuals, which they kept, a lot
of the practical effects just had this refined style, which
I've been talking about in the episode of how you
make a movie in the eighties and you make a
movie now you can just make it look so much better.
So a lot of the effects look a lot less dated,
and it was just fun to see a movie be
ridiculous and to be absurd, and I'm just happy that
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a movie like this can still be made. That being said,
if this movie was the original movie, would it be
as a cult classic as big of a hit as
Beatlejuice would have been in the eighties. I don't think so.
I think storytelling obviously has changed a lot from nineteen
eighty eight to twenty twenty four, but it just has
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like this different feeling to it. There are a lot
more beats in the story on this one, which the
first one was primarily a couple died. They're living in
their house, they're stuck there and they want the family out.
They enlist the help of Beetlejuice. This one definitely had
a lot more going on that felt a little bit
more like they had more of a script to work with.
There was a lot more character development, but it did
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just kind of lack the original novelty that the first
movie had, and I think that's just what you get
in the legacy sequel. It's obviously not going to be
as groundbreaking as the first one. So I will say
why that first one felt a little bit more rebellious
to see what Tim Burton could get away with, you know,
making his first really big, career defining movie. This one
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just felt a little bit more corporate, and I think
that's just the nature of movies now, and I could
kind of see the strings being pulled here and there.
I still feel like overall he had full rain to
do whatever he wanted, but it definitely felt much more
like he was working inside some parameters, definitely kind of
inside a box that nothing really went outside of. But
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there were some really greatfulfore Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice I
would say was pretty on par with the original. Although
I don't know, I kind of feel like Michael Keaton
just does things for the paycheck.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
It still kind of hurts me what he said about
the Batgirl movie that he was just like, eh, I
don't care that it never came out.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I still got paid.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I just kind of feel that he feels that way
about all the projects he takes on. He's like, yeah,
I'll do the Flash, I'll be Batman again, I'll be
Beetlejuice again. As long as the check clears I will
be there. So he gave a good performance. I don't
think he went over the top to make it great,
but hands down the best performance to me was Jenna Ortega.
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To me, she just solidified herself with this movie as
being the go to horror queen. She just has that
aura about her. She is such a great actor. Really,
to me, it feels like she believes in all the
roles she takes on. Even if she does, then she's
a really great actor convincing this that she does, even
the press tour she did doing the odes to all
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the costumes from the original movie. She's just fantastic and
everything I watch her in big Wednesday vibes in this movie,
which I did, feel like this movie had more about
Adam's family vibes than it did beetlejuice vibes from the original.
Then you have one no to Ryder, who I love
her and stranger things. She's having a big resurgence now.
I feel from that she looks fantastic. Even the scenes
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that flash back to the original movie, I'm like she's
hardly aged a bit.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Catherine O'Hara, who.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Is just I would say the funniest in this movie
had the best one liners, and I just see her
as Mira Rose from Shit's Creek, which has also been
a big part of her resurgence. I mean, she was
in home alone in the original Beatlejuice. They brought her back.
She was fantastic. Willem Dafoe, dude has to have the
best agent in Hollywood. I feel like I've seen him
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three times in three different movies this year alone, and
he's great in all of them.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Seeing him do quirky horror is like a plus. Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I loved all the mixed medium, having the stop motion,
the claymation that we all recognize from the first one,
and overall was just a really fun film from start
to finish. But again, since it is a legacy sequel,
I have to compare it to the first one, which normally,
when there's a big just iconic movie one of the
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best movies of the eighties, I usually read those movies
a five out of five. But for me, I don't
even think the original Beetlejuice is a five out of five,
even though it's mostly perfect. I would probably give the
Original Beatle Juice a four point five out of five.
I don't think the sequel is as good as that one,
even though it looks a lot better. I just don't
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think that this movie is going to have the same
impact that that first one did, which would probably be really.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
But I do see myself actually being more inclined to
watch this one around Halloween time because it just has
that setting, It has that feeling a little bit more
to me.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So Juice, Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I give it four out of five stripe suits.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's time to head down to movie.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Mike Traylor par.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Video game adaptations are all the rage right now, and
they're nothing new.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
We have the Mortal Kombat movies back in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Maybe has some really bad video game adaptations over the years.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
A Street Fighter, Oh what a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I mean, Mortal Kombat two was pretty bad, but I
feel like that franchise is back five Nights at Freddy's recently.
Even though I didn't enjoy that movie, the fans of
that video.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Game loved that movie.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
The only movie I've ever been personally attacked. We're not
liking this year alone. We had Borderlands, which did oh
terrible at the box office. It all comes down to timing.
You either have to put out a video game adaptation
right at the height of that game's popularity. That is
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the reason Borderlands didn't do well. That movie is past
its prime. And then you also have a cast that
is so old and not relevant to anybody who would
be interested in watching that movie. It doesn't match or
needs to be based in nostalgia, which is exactly why
I believe Sonic the Hedgehog is low key the best
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video game adaptation franchise right now. It is rooted in
that nineties nostalgia. Back when there were console wars, when
it was Nintendo versus Sega. Nintendo had their mascot of Mario,
very family friendly, fun to play, revolutionary at the time,
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but then you have Sega just wanted to compete. When
Nintendo trying to saturate the video game market, what do
they do Well, They look at their mascot and think,
we need our Super Mario. We're going to do something
different by giving kids a character with some edge, and
they thought Sonic the Headshot can be our Super Mario.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But he has spiky.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Hair, he moves faster, he has attitude, he has an
edge to him, and when you look at the first
Sonic the Headshot game. It's like whoa, It makes Super
Mario look like your dad's video game. And then you
have this blue, fast paced creature running across the screen
collecting coins. You have cool bosses, and suddenly Sega put
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itself on the map.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
They had the animated TV show, which I believe is
so good because it.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Stands apart from the video game, which Super Mario also
had a TV show. They had a live action show,
they had an animated show, but I feel like those
weren't as successful and as memorable without the video game.
It was only cool because it was like, oh cool,
stuff from the video game is in the animated show.
And even the Super Mario Brothers movie Back in the Day,
although I love that one because I associated with my childhood,
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it's not a great video game adaptation. But Sonic the
Hedgehog the animated show with Jalil White aka Arcle from
Family Matters voicing Sonic the Hedgehog, I feel, is its
own entity even if you didn't play the video game.
That TV show on its own is a great Saturday
morning TV cartoon from back in the day, and the
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Sonic the Hedgehog movies have somehow captured the energy of
both that animated show and the video game, and they've
done it in a really fantastic way.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I love the way they've incorporated.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
All the elements from the video game into the movie
without it feeling forced, without it feeling cheesy. But what
they've really gotten right, Well, a few of the things
they've really gotten right, But I would say the main
thing is Sonic actually has a story with emotion in
this movie in part one, and they even addressed it
here in Part three. He's an alien who lands on
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Earth and he is alone, and all he is looking
for is a family. He wants to be a kid,
he wants to have parents. He searches for that identity. Really,
Sonic One, it is a lot like Leilo and Stitch.
Crash lands into Earth, stumbles upon a family. They're kind
of a broken, not really great family, and he's searching
for this identity. You have a evil government entity trying
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to find him and exploit him. So a lot like
Leilo and Stitch, to be honest, but you have that
human element paired with all the great video game elements.
I love the way they subtly incorporate things from the
video game. Really when it comes down to it. I
love how they just subtly work in details like the soundtrack.
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You have those themes, which was a really big part
of those video games Sega. One of the biggest appeals
to that as a kid is the music sounded a
lot better on a Sega than it did on Nintendo.
I had a little bit more of a music, almost
hip hop feel to it. And the Sonic the Hedgehog
movies have taken those original songs and worked them into
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the movie with like this really cool instrumentation.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Some of them were like orchestra.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And sad and just kind of weave themselves into scenes,
just tying everything together. So it's very much kind of
playing on all the nostalgia of everybody who grew up
in the nineties playing the video game and now are adults.
So I think that is why these movies have worked
so well. It's because you have people like me in
their thirties who I have kids now and exposing them
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to Sonic the Hedgehog.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
They have really great action.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Each movie has advanced on the animation style, which if
you think back to before the first movie was even
released and we had the first still a Sonic he
had that weird look. He had the human like teeth
and the little beady eyes which looked a little bit
more accurate to his video game form, but just didn't
work on the big screen in three D, and through
the outrage of fans, they went back and changed the
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design of Sonic. They actually listen to people and therefore
it worked. So I think that is the reason I
feel it is subtly the best video game adaptation right now,
and the reason you are seeing so many of these
right now when it comes to movies, TV shows like Fallout,
it is a hot commodity. The video game industry is massive,
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and what you have in Sonic the Hedgehog three is
the introduction of a new character named Shadow.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
If you're not familiar with him from the.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Video games, he is essentially the evil version of Sonic.
They mentioned in the trailer how their origin stories are similar,
except where Sonic found family, Shadow only found death and destruction.
He was created by doctor Robotnik's dad was also being
played by Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
In this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
You have Keanu Reeves voicing Shadow, the new character. So
a lot of good stuff going on so far in
Sonic three. It is looking promising Before I get into more,
here's a little bit of the Sonic the Hedgehog three.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Trailer, Sonic, you finally found your family. He is much
more impressive than the Hetchhog guy for it previously. Ye dude,
I'm standing right here. You're a colorful bunch. We don't
want to fight you, Actually, Sonic, I would like to fight.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but we need you
know who, doctor, we're visitors. This is sad robot Nick
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even for you. We need your help on one condition.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
So right, The Sonic franchise has really great voice acting.
Ben Schwartz is the voice of Sonic. You probably know
him primarily from Parks and rec but he really leans
into this voice so much so that when I first
watched this trailer and heard his voice, I was like,
it's slowly becoming a little iconic. And that is a
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hard thing to do when it comes to creating a
character of seeing him and also associating him with a voice,
because unlike Super Mario in the video games, who really
only said a few phrases here and there, Sonic never
really heard him talk except for the animated show. But
now more so than Jalel White. I'm associating Sonic now
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with Bench Schwartz voice. He just has that fun, comedic,
almost childlike tone in his voice, and now I can't
hear anybody else doing Sonic Justice. You also have Idris
Elba as Knuckles, who just has a good like, dark,
growny voice and fits it perfect. Sonic did face off
with Knuckles in Sonic two, but now they're all teaming
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up along with Tails to take on Shadow voice by
Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Keanu Reeves is just so interesting to me on the
roles he takes on.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
He has been kind of flirted with joining the MCU,
but hasn't really found the right role. I think he
wanted to play ghost Rider, but none of that ended
up working out. He was also recently supposed to be
in the Star Wars series that Acolyte, but that adn't
work out with his schedule, so hasn't joined the MCU,
hasn't been a part of Star Wars, but now is
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going to be a part of Sonic. So I think
there is just something about the charm of these movies,
or maybe the payout from doing a movie like this
where Hey, I go into booth and record some lines
and collect a pretty nice paycheck, I'll do it. So
maybe there is that appeal, but there has to be
something else because Jim Carrey came out of retirement to
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not only play Doctor Robotnick again, but also play his
dad in this movie. So in the trailer you see
an older version of Doctor Robodnick, who is the character
Gerald who in the video games is the one who
creates Shadow, so it looks like they have some kind
of reconnection, but he's probably gonna end up discovering the
dark secret. And while it might seem all warm and
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fuzzy of being reunited with your dad, that's probably going
to turn badly and then end up fighting each other
because it looks like Robotnik is going to team up
with Sonic Knuckles and Tails to take on Shadow.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
But of all the roles to bring back.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Jim Carrey out of retirement, this is probably the one
I would least expect, although when you look back throughout
history of his really wacky and outlandish roles, it really
isn't that much far off from an ace Ventura from
a mask. I think he really likes roles where he
can dress up a little bit, do the super over
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exaggerated faces. And honestly, like I was talking about with Kenner,
Reeves probably pays.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Really, really well.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
But now this is becoming his legacy franchise, a series
of movies that actually performs pretty well at the box office,
has a pretty solid fan base. So for Jim Carrey
to be a part of something now that has relatively
good positive reviews, maybe that also just feels good to him.
So if I could, I would love to get inside
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his head and figure out why he took this role
on Sonic. The Hedgehog three is coming out on December twentieth.
The other major movie coming out that exact same day
is Mufasa the Lion King. Two really big movies going
head to head in the Christmas season. Oh my goodness.
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If I had to pick a winner in that race,
who is going to be number one? I feel like
most people would assume that The Lion King has more
of a built in fan base. The last live action
Lion King movie was one of the most profitable movies
in the billion dollar club, but I just don't think
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that demand is there. The same way I feel that
most people are a little bit burned by the live
action remakes of Disney movies, So I don't think that
one is going to live up to the expectations at
the box office. I actually think that Sonic three is
going to win at the box office because it is
just a fun movie. You have the adult and the
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younger fan base of parents taking their kids to go
watch this movie, and I just feel that people are
more excited to see the next installment here than they
are to go see a prequel slash sequel of a
movie that has already been done before. I think what
it's really going to come down to is the promotion
there at the end. I think you probably also have
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a little bit more star power with Sonic the Hedgehog
three with Ben Schwartz, Idris Elba, Keanu Reeves, James Marsden,
and Jim Carrey, if they're all able to go out
and promote this movie. I think that cast is a
little bit more fun and lively than everybody involved in
Mufasa the Lion King, because I really don't see Donald Glover,
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Beyonce or Seth Rogan doing much for that movie because
they aren't really part of the primary cast. But I
can't wait to see how this one shakes out. I
love when two movies like this go up against each
other because usually one of them chickens out and switches
they and it would probably in this case be Sonic
because you don't really go up against Disney. It is
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seen as, Oh, there's no way you can win against Disney.
But if there is a year to do it, I
think it's gonna be this year. They've already had a
smash hit with Inside Out two. I don't know if
they can do that again. That was a much more
anticipated sequel than Mufassa. So my winner is Sonic the
Hitchhog three. I think it's the movie I'm gonna have
more fun as an adult going to see in theaters again.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
It is coming out on December twentieth.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
At That was this week's edition of movie Line Tram
or Bar.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
And that is gonna do it for another episode here
of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give
my listeners shout out of the week. This week's listener
shout out goes to Christy, who commented on TikTok my
video from my episode a couple of weeks ago talking
about my movie Pet Peeves. Christy Road, is there an
exception for the.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Mean Girls bus?
Speaker 1 (59:57):
This was in response to one of my pet peeves
being anytime character gets hit by a bus out of nowhere.
I always feel like it's a crutch. It's a way
to get out of a situation where you have some
lazy riding and like, I just need to get rid
of this character. Have them get hit by a bus
because it comes out of nowhere, and it's like, oh,
that's a big shock. But I always just felt like
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that was a cop out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Ending in the case of Mean Girls.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I still feel like it's a bit of a cop out.
It's a way too. In the Rain of Regina George,
the only thing the use of getting hit by a
bus has going for it in that movie is they
actually follow it up. It's not the end of her
character in that movie, and in that situation, there's actually
a bit of a fallout from her getting hit by
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the bus, the rumor of Katie putting her in harm's way,
So there's some.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Actual value there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But I still am not a fan anytime a character
gets hit by a bus. But thank you Christy for
that comment, for asking me that question. You're this week's
listener shout out of the week. You listening right now.
Hope you have a great rest of your week and
until next time, go out and watch good movies and
I will talk to you later
Hello, Welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I am
your host Movie Mike. Today, I want to share with
you eight eighties movies that I think needs sequels. They
deserve them because in the movie review, we're talking about Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice,
a movie that finally got it sequel, and I'm gonna
tell you the recipe for it actually working and not
feeling like a cash grab. In the trailer park, we're
(00:21):
talking about Sonic the Hedgehog three and low key why
it is the best video game adaptation out there right now.
It even brought Jim Carrey out of retirement, so we'll
get into that. Thank you for being here, thank you
for being subscribed, Thank you for telling a friend shout
out to a Monday morning movie crew.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He Now, let's talk movies.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast,
one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like
never before in a movie podcast. A man with so
much movie knowledge, he's basically like a walking IMTB with
glasses from the Nashville networking Movie Mike Movie Pot.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
With the release of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, I wanted to share
with you my top eight eighties movies that I think
need sequels.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I know what you're saying. We're gonna suspend a
little belief right here.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We're gonna destroy the narrative of the people who say
that everything is a sequel, everything is a remake, that
Hollywood has no original ideas. Right now, I can see that.
I look at the movie list coming out every single year,
and yes, you do see a lot of remakes. You
do see a lot of sequels. I don't necessarily always
view that as a bad thing. I think we need
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things that feel familiar. And for me, somebody who just
looks out at wanting cinema, wanting theaters to succeed, wanting
them still to be around, I am down for anything
that gets people going to the theater. Beatle Justice, Beatle
Juice had a great opening weekend that I think a
lot of people weren't expecting because it's a cold classic.
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It isn't a cash cow that everybody's just automatically going
to go see a new Beatle Just movie.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So I think that is surprising.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The recipe I see here and what is different to
me from other just random eighties movies that get thrown
out and made a sequel to is you have Tim
Burton coming back as the director original director, so you
have that creative vision going into it. So if the
original director is attached to the remake, I don't see
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an immediate red flag. You either need that or you
need an A plus list actor to return and be
the driving force in the movie. Be so passionate about
it that they want to see an actual extension of
the story, they're gonna do it justice.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The example I use with.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That is Tom Cruise with Top Gun two that came
out in twenty twenty two and save the box office
that summer, and he was so passionate about getting that
that movie made and getting it released in theaters because
it was supposed to be released so.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Much earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But then, of course twenty twenty happened and held onto
that movie's released it because he knew this movie needs
to be seen on the big screen and needs to
have that rollout in order to be successful. I don't
always agree or even like Tom Cruise, but I believe
in this passion for the movie going in theater experience
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that I just appreciate him as an advocate, So you
either need to have the original director or somebody like
Tom Cruise who starred in the original one and be
able to come back and really.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Champion the movie.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And the only third way I really see it working
is if it's a movie that went really under the radar,
maybe didn't get the most attention, but there is this
odd fan base for it, a cult classic, if you will,
much like Beetlejuice, that making a sequel to it will
make a very select group of people happy. And of
course that's probably a bit of a risk because those
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movies probably didn't do that great in their initial run.
And even though it might feel like, oh, we're connived,
let's just go through any movie that had any kind
of notoriety or any kind of buzz back in the
day and bring that back and maybe people won't even notice,
maybe people will actually think this is new. It is
a bit of a risk, and I think I have
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one of those on my list that I'm going to
get into here. But I think those are really the
only three instances on when it won't feel like a
cash grap because at this point, any eighties movie that
needed or deserved or didn't deserve a sequel has got one.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Just look at this year alone.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
In twenty twenty four, we got a new Alien movie
originated in the eighties. We got a fall Guy movie,
which the TV show originated in the eighties. Of course,
Beetlejuice we're talking about. We had a Roadhouse movie. That
movie did not need a sequel. It really didn't even
connect with the original Roadhouse movie, but we got that
and are probably gonna get a another installment of that
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movie pretty soon. We got a Garfield movie, and of
course the comic strip originated in the seventies, but the
TV show that the movie is really based on originated
in the eighties. We also had a Dune sequel, so
a lot of eighties influence in twenty twenty four. Let's
get right into the list at number eight. A movie
that came out in nineteen eighty six. It's one of
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my favorite football movies of all time. Actually two of
my favorite all time favorite football movies came out in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But it is Lucas.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The reason I feel that this movie needs a sequel
is one I identified a lot with the character of Lucas.
If you're not familiar with this movie, it is a
character named Lucas played by Corey Heim, which how more
quintessential eighties actor can you get than Corey Heim sadly
passed away, but he was such a dominant force in
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the eighties when it came to childhood and teenage actors.
And he played this character named Lucas, who was a
really smart teenager and he was trying to get this girl,
and in order to impress, he joined the football team.
She was the new girl in school played by Carrie Green.
Charlie Sheen was in the movie. He tried to protect Lucas.
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Y'all said, w I know in a writer, So an
incredible eighties cast, and the reason I want to see
a sequel to Lucas is probably a little bit selfish.
But in the eighties and nineties, there was this category
of movie with a plotline nerdy boy tries to get
hot girl, and that was a lot of movies and
us as viewers, we love to root for the underdog.
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We love to root for the guy to get the girl,
the girl to get the guy. The will they won't they?
That has just been a constant in TV and movies,
and I feel in the last ten fifteen years we
don't really have those type of movies anymore, and it's
probably in the same way that we've had less comedies
in the last five, six, seven, even decade, we've also
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ahead less of this type of plot line because it's
not quite a rom com, it's not quite a full
on comedy. It is this very specific coming of age movie.
And I would say for a Lucas two, it doesn't
even have to be a nerdy guy trying to get
the girl. You could do the reverse here. I'm seeing
the plot line of the music video You Belong with
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Me by Taylor Swift, where she's the nerd in that
movie in the band trying to get the guy on
the football team, so much like they did with He's
All That, She's All That. You could flip Lucas somehow
make it the daughter of Lucas, and you switch the
entire plot of the movie and it works. You get
Lucas too. That is why I want to see that movie.
I have Lucas two at number eight. At number seven
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is a movie from nineteen eighty five. I want to
see a sequel to Sesame Street Presents. Follow That Bird,
Give Me Part Two. This is a movie that I
discovered on a VHS tape. I'm not sure exactly what
movie that I watch so much in my childhood that
I remembered all the trailers, and this was one of
the trailers that when you pop into that VHS tape
(08:06):
you had to sit through them. You don't have that anymore.
Our version of that is maybe a pop up ad
on social media. Scrolling through TikTok. Every now and then
you get a movie trailer, you hop onto YouTube you
see trailers. But before that, for DVDs, when you got
a VHS, it had the baked in movie trailers of
other movies that you could go by right now. But
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I remember watching this trailer all the time, and I
finally was able to actually watch the movie. And I
love this category of movie. And the interesting thing about
Sesame Street movies is they've only made two that came
out in theaters. The first one was this one, followed
That Bird, which came out in nineteen eighty five, and
then they had another one in nineteen ninety nine, Elmo
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and Grouchland. Sadly, the thing about sesame Street movies not
that profitable, which is so surprising to me that a
TV show as popular as Sesame Street would have box
office BOMs. Follow that Bird only made thirteen million dollars
at the box office, probably cost around ten million dollars
(09:12):
to make. They didn't even release the numbers for how
much this movie costs to make. But the Ilman movie
in ninety nine cost twenty six million dollars to make
and only may eleven million dollars at the box office.
So after that they said, Okay, no more Sesame Street movies.
It could be the model of Sesame Street. You're having
to go pay for something in theaters that you could
get at home for free. And it also has a
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very young audience, so maybe it's hard to kind of
convert that into getting people and families out to go
to the theater to watch it. Because I feel like
a Sesame Street movie. Now I'm kind of talking myself
out of it, but I feel like a Sesame Street
movie has just.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
A very very key demographic of.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Young young kids, unlike some of the Illumination or Disney
movies that are fun for the entire family. But to
me as a kid, I love follow that. Bird had
an amazing cast. You had Waylon Jennings in this movie.
You had Chevy Chase, you had John Candy, you had
the classic Sesame Street humor. My favorite joke out of
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the entire movie is whenever they're trying to track down
Big Bird, because what happens in this movie. Big Bird
is living in Sesame Street, living his normal life, loving it,
and then he is sent to live with a bird
family much like he is, ends up. He doesn't like
that bird family whatsoever and decides that he misses his
friends and wants to go back to Sesame Street.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So it's him getting away from.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
There, and then all the Sesame Street characters trying to
find Big Bird now that he is lost. But there's
this big road trip, and I love a movie with
the road trip. But there's one joke where they're like, oh,
it's the fork in the road, and there's like a
literal fork in the road.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Classic comedy. Me as like a four or five year old.
I ate that up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I know these movies have not been successful, but
as you can hear in my voice that twenty five,
twenty seven years after I watched this movie, I'm still
thinking about it. Even though they didn't make a whole
lot of money at the box office, that doesn't mean
that these movies aren't impactful. Maybe it's a straight to
MAX type movie, because that is just the nature of
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things now we don't have straight to videos straight to
vhs anymore. Maybe it's a Max original Give me Follow
That Bird Too at number six from nineteen eighty three
when the original came out.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Kujo two is a sequel. I would love to see.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Reason is I just remember this being the go to
scary movie that everybody talked about when I was growing up.
Have you seen Kujo The Story of the Killer Dog,
one of I believe Stephen King's best movies in the eighties.
It is a movie that just feels like it gets
a referenced so much even if you haven't seen it.
But essentially what happens in Kujo is, well, you have
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a killer dog, and it's this family trapped in a
car the entire time and them trying well not to
be eaten by Kujo, and the movie is truly terrifying.
His bloody snout is just a great, fantastic movie, and
I am surprised that we have not had a sequel
to it now. Stephen King did put out another book
called Rattlesnakes, which does serve as the sequel to Kujo,
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primarily focusing on the human characters taking place in the
aftermath of Kujo, which spoiler alert doesn't turn out so great.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So you do have the source material here.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There is a story for Kujo too, you could throw
in make it another dog of just all the horror
movies that come out now, and a lot of them
are just not that good. I'm very rarely moved by
a horror movie, although I do think twenty twenty four
has been a great year for horror. If you're gonna
bring something back that people are gonna talk about, be
passionate about, I think a Kujo movie would be perfect
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for that, especially if done correctly.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Because although I love.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
The original, everything about the eighties always had a little
bit of cheesiness to it, and I think.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Overall, from all the modern.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Decades, the eighties just happened to be my least favorite.
Because of that. I just feel like a lot of
the fashion, a lot of the music, a lot of
the slang as age like milk. Over the years, I
can watch a movie that came out in the eighties
and I pretty much instantly know it just because of
how it looks, not so much now with movies in
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the late nineties, twenty and twenty tens, all of that
has kind of been homogenized a little bit to where it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
All kind of starts to look the same.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You get a certain level of modern and you can't
really tell where things past that or place. Or maybe
it's just because how old I am now, but eighties
always feels like it looks so eighties. And that is
still the feeling I get when watching the original Kujo.
So if you take that one, make it a little
bit more terrifying, because I know you could do it
now with better cinematography and take all the things that
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made the original grade. I actually think a sequel would
do really well. So I have Kujo two is a sequel.
I want to see at number six, at number five
from nineteen eighty seven, born in East La, I think
this is there a sequel.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is a movie that I feel goes.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Under the radar a lot on a grand scale, but
for somebody like me who grew up Mexican American born
in East Lay is a must see. I feel like
as a Mexican American, we have a ten commandments of
movies over the years that have represented us in a
way that it is a ride of passage to watch.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And know all of these movies.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Born in East LA Is definitely one of them. Cheech
Money In in the eighties was just hands down one
of the best. And I never really got into all
of the Cheech and Chong movies. I didn't really find
that whole comunic routine to be that funny. So therefore
or I to really put those movies.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In that category for me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
But when it comes to my favorite movies of his
of all time, Born in East LA is number one.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
What happens in Born in East La Because you probably
haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I have just watched this movie so much growing up,
had the VHS tape one of the first movies I
got on DVD whenever I found it in the dollar bin,
like probably early two thousands. But his character is going
to pick up his consin from work who works in
a factory. While he's at that factory, they come in
and raid the place and just start deporting people. And
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he left the house without his wallet, no identification. He
gets deported and he's having to prove that he is American,
and he can't do it. He can't even name the
president of the United States. So he gets stuck in
Mexico and has to find a job to make money
to pay someone to sneak them back into the United States,
even though he's an American citizen. So it's all the
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relationships he forms in Mexico. What he learns about is
culture and one of the best ending scenes of my lifetime.
And again it's more on a personal level. I don't
think I would put this up in the best ending
closing scenes of all time, but for me personally, I
get emotional when I see the ending, and I think
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it's because of the song playing. You have the Neil
Diamond song We're Coming to America, And I don't know
why I want to not spoil the ending for me,
even though this movie came out more than thirty years ago,
But it's that song paired with the message of this movie,
the whole idea of even in the eighties, of how
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Mexican Americans were treated and how a lot of those
things are still an issue today. What an impactful scene,
what an impactful message, and done in a very comedic
way throughout the entire movie. And if you look at
maybe some of the nature of the jokes, maybe a
lot of them don't age in the best way.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
But I feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That is just comedy movies as a whole. But if
I were to see him get back into the close
of Rudy, the character he plays in this movie, and
do a sequel to Born in East La two as
a follow up, I'll take that all day over any
other teaching chung bit. So give me Born in East
La two at number four is one that's gonna upset
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a lot of people, but it has to be on
this list. Originally coming out in nineteen eighty two is
e T two. I feel like this has been talked
about for so long now for the majority, I feel
people are so against it, and on any other given day,
I might be in that category. But what I was
talking about earlier, if you bring back an original director,
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bring back Steven Spielberg, it has so much more impact.
If you bring back the original cast of this movie.
Do you know how much that would just hit in
the fields. They did it briefly with like a super
commercial of just teasing the idea of an ET sequel,
and that gave me chills. And again a lot of
people are going to have that outrage, that fake outrage
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of Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Can't believe they're remaking this movie. It shouldn't be touched.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
The only reason I feel, and they wouldn't even be
remaking it, they'd just be doing a sequel.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Here. The only real time I.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Feel a movie shouldn't be remade is how I felt
about The Crow being remade without Brandon Lee. Because he
died while making that movie. That movie should be his legacy.
That movie should never be remade. They've made sequels to
that movie, that's fine, change the character, but don't remake
the original making a sequel.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I feel, as long as.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
You have what we've been talking about this entire episode,
somebody who has a connection to the original is going
to push what made that first movie great onto this
second movie. We saw it done with Top Gun two,
which I believe is better than Top Gun one. It
can be done, but often these movies fall into the
category of people just doing it to make money and
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people doing it to have something out that people just
identify and know. I don't think that would be the
category here, because for an ET two to get made,
so many people would have to sign off on it
that by the time it got to them actually starting
on production, they would have to be in a really
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good place. So I hope in my lifetime that I
do see an ET two. Because I really don't feel
that a sequel can tarnish the legacy of the first movie.
I can choose to not accept it into the filmography
and think, ah, to me, only that movie exists. Given
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I've done this with the Toy Story movies. For me,
that movie series ended after three, and I even saw
Quentin Tarantino talking about this. But I was talking about
this years ago when Toy Story four came out. For me,
that series to me ended with three, and Tarantino said
that he refuses to watch four, and I will watch four.
I'm not gonna be happy about watching five, but I
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can watch those knowing that what they really wanted to
do is just make a trilogy, and now all this
other stuff is extra. You don't want to watch it,
don't watch it. But for me of being constantly curious
about how different directors interpret certain film franchises, I will
always be curious to see it. I'm not always going
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to like it, but I think they have the right
to make them, and I know that along that path
that I walk, I'm gonna run into movies where I'm
gonna be duped and it's just gonna be a studio
saying let's make this movie so we can make some
money off of it.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So those will happen too.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But after all that outrage settles, I do think there
could be a really good story in.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There for ET two.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And oh think of how much better the special effects would.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Be, even though that movie did rely.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
A lot on practical effects, the cinematography, everything would just
be so much more elevated if that movie was made today.
So at number four, I have a sequel to ET.
At number three from nineteen eighty seven, I have Over
the Top, starring Sylvester Stallone. This was the first movie
that my dad and I bonded over for a couple
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of reasons.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The movie is rooted in.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Sylvester Saloon's relationship with his son, who he kind of abandoned,
was kind of a deadbeat dad, and then tries to
repair that relationship. Sylvester Saloon's character in this movie just
happens to be a truck driver, which my dad has
been a truck driver now for over thirty years. Since
I was a kid, he's been driving trucks and when
this movie came out. That's all really my dad saw
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and needed to see. He is a truck driver, he
has cool muscles. I want to be like that guy.
He somewhat resembles me. I am down to watch that
movie and I think the scenes of him and his
son driving around in his eighteen wheeler is probably what
we bonded over the most, because that is what I
did growing up. Some of my favorite memories were going
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on loads with my dad all across Texas, riding and
sleeping in the back while he was driving through the night,
drinking his coffee. I remember him listening to the radio
to a lot of Spanish talk shows. I think that
is also probably where my fascination with radio talk shows
is kind of rooted in, because that's all he listened
to and they were all in Spanish, and I think
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that's probably where some of those things just kind of
started to like click in my brain.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And maybe letter as I.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Was a teenager, it's like, oh, I should get into
talk shows because maybe my dad was some day listened
to my show.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know that he ever has.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're not on in the city where they live, but
it was seeing Sylvester Stallone had that relationship with his
son and then doing the arm wrestling. I mean when
he would flip that hat, turn it backwards to take
it over the top. It doesn't get more Eighties than that.
And you think about Sylvester Stallone where he is right
now in his career. If he could do a movie
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like Samaritan on Amazon, which was a trash movie, a
movie I thought was going to be good about him
being a superhero going into hiding. If he still has
it in him to do a movie like that, he
definitely has a movie like Over the Top two. If
he's still out here doing Expendable six, seven, eight, nine,
and ten, why not give us an Over the Top two.
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And it's probably not one of his most renowned movies
of his career, obviously known primarily for the Rocky movies.
But Over the Top, Oh, that is right there in
my heart above all those movies, just because I have
such great memories of watching that movie as a kid
with my dad.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So give me that experience again.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Let me take my dad to the theater, who does
not like going to the movie theater. I don't think
he has ever sat through an entire movie at the
theater without falling asleep. My dad gets a drink, gets
a popcorn, and that is all the time you have
him for in that movie.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
As soon as he takes that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Last sip, as soon as he eats that last colonel
of popcorn, he is down for the count. He is
going to sleep. Maybe makes it fifteen twenty minutes in
a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But if Over the Top two came.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Out in theaters, give me that experience of being able
to take my dad to watch something we bonded over
when I was a kid, that he can see himself
in a character, see a truck driver being portrayed in
a cool way. Give me that experience. Sylvester Stallon'll make
it happen. Over the Top two is on my list
at number three of eighties movies. I believe need to
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have a sequel at number two. If you didn't want
to turn this podcast off after number four because of
what I picked, you're probably gonna want to. Now this
is going to cause even more outraged than that one.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
The Goonies too.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The Goonies came out in nineteen eighty five, and I
think when I talk to my friends, this is so
many of theirs just favorite movies of old time. So
much so that one of my friends is going to
get married where they filmed or around where they filmed
this movie because he loves this movies so much. I
think when it comes to just the most beloved movies
out of the eighties, it is right there at the top.
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And I think even when it comes to a lot
of people's favorite movies of all time, this is probably
top five of movies I hear the most. This one
and for His Gump are right up there in that
top five. And I think it's the fact that this
sequel has been flirted with a lot because you still
have a lot of the cast still alive.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Josh Brolin's in this movie.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You kind of forget that, but a lot of the
cast is still around, and they always kind.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Of like, oh, we could do another one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Corey Fellman out there performing what I can only interpret
as some kind of performance art, because he does concerts
where he is not a great musician. He is not
a great singer, and I feel that those performances that
I see of him on TikTok are really just him
messing with the audience doing guitar solos where he's not
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a good guitar player. I've even interviewed Corey Fellman on
this podcast, and in that interview he felt so different
to me than what I see him doing out in concert.
So I have to believe like that is some kind
of act. I have to believe that if they came
together and really had the script for a Goonies two,
that it could work. Nineteen eighty five, we are almost
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at the forty year mark of that movie being released,
and I think once you get to that mark is
when you kind of decide do you want to make
a sequel to that movie with the original cast? And
I think that could be a thing that hurts us
ever seeing a sequel or even a remake of Goonies,
is because they're going to kind of be out there
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and think, why are we not being a part of it?
Kind of the same thing we experience with the original
Twister cast not being involved in the Twister sequel, and
that movie came out in the nineties, and I think
the difference in those two is Goonies just has this
more passionate fan base. It's obviously been around longer, but
I think the Goony means a lot more to a
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lot more people for an entirely different way that it
would kind of feel a little bit like them doing
an injustice to the cast that is still around and
able to do a sequel. But a plus adventure movie
has a fantastic soundtrack. There is nothing that I would
change about this movie. And I think with a movie
like Beetlejuice Beatle Juice coming out in theaters right now,
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I just have those in my head as kind of
being on that same level as far as what it
comes to be an iconic eighties movie. So I think
it could happen. I would definitely be excited to see it.
It is one that I agree I would be hesitant
to go see because the first one is so great.
The first one is perfect. I'm not saying they could
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get it right, but I would at least like to
see them try. I would like to see that sequel.
At number two, I have the sequel to Goonies. But
at number one on my list of eighties movies that
I want to see a sequel too is Oliver and Company.
The original came out in nineteen eighty eight, and this
is historically, I would say, the worst era for Disney.
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I mean, you could argue what era they are in now.
But I think they're kind of on the way back up.
But this was seen as a bad era, not because
of the stories, but because of the animation. This time
period was known as the Xerox era and then had
to do with the type of animation they used, which
was very cheap because they were trying to make these
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movies faster and more affordable. But as you know, you
can do something cheap, you can do something fast, but
you can't do something good. So a lot of the
animation at this time was seen as being pretty lifeless.
If you look at some of the art in these
movies and pay attention, you can see that some of
it lacks a little bit of attention to detail. There
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are background being reused, there is some lazy design on
some of the characters because of this Xerox method that
they were using that was basically just how can you
make this as fast as possible, get all these animations
done very quickly, but when you see it on the
big screen, maybe doesn't have that same warmth and same
flow that Disney was known to use. So a lot
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of these movies, even though given the time that you
were born, given the movies you grew up with, you
maybe have a personal attachment to them, but overall they
weren't seen as the best and also didn't perform the
best at the box office. But for me, Oliver in
Company was top tier when it came to the story. Obviously,
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it is a take on Oliver twist. You have the
cat Oliver, who is the only cat not picking up
for adoption. The movie starts in the most oppressing way.
You have Oliver in this box of cats, and one
by one they all get picked up by other kids
who want to take that cat home, and Oliver just
sitting there all excited, waiting for his kid to come
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pick them up. Nobody ever comes for Oliver. What does
come for Oliver?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The rain? The rain washes.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Away his cardboard box and he gets put out into
the sewer and then gets discovered by a group of
dogs that are straight dogs.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They just run the streets singing songs. Why should I
wool Rah? Why should I care? Billy?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Joel did not need to go off on this soundtrack
the way he did, But for some reason he saw
Oliver and Company and thought, I'm gonna make this my
best piece of work. Ever, I don't even consider myself
a fan of his music piano man, Ah, you take
that song out of here.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I've never felt any emotion from any Billy.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Joel song, but while watching Oliver and Company, I'm singing
at the top of my lungs throughout this entire movie.
And I feel that now would be a great time
to make a sequel because Disney can make up for
what they did back in the xerox era cutting corners
just in order to get movies out there. Now with technology,
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you can make this movie look so much better. You
can get back some of the original voice cast. If
you haven't seen this original or you haven't shown your
kids all Over in Company, it is on Disney Plus.
I highly recommend it. But because of the animation style,
if you have younger kids who are like, ah, this
stuff looks terrible, that's trash. They may see Oliver in
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Company and think this looks so old and therefore be
bored by it. That's why we need to make a
sequel to it. So make it happen, Disney. But that
is my list, my top eight movies from the eighties
I think needs sequels.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We'll come back.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I'll give you my spoiler free review on Beatle Juice Beetlejuice,
and in the trailer park we'll be talking about Sonic
the Hedghog three. Let's get into it now, A spoiler
free movie review of Beetlejuice.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
On this episode, we've been talking about legacy sequels. This
one takes place thirty six years after the original Beetlejuice
came out in nineteen eighty eight, and in order to
know where we are going, we gotta know where we
have been the history of Beetlejuice. It's pretty interesting. Tim
Burton is a very dynamic director. You see a single
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frame of a Tim Burton movie and you probably automatically
know it's him. He has a very distinct style, dates
back to his first film that he directed, Pee Wee's
Big Adventure, which I kind of forgot he did. And
usually for episodes like this, I do a deep dive
into a director and watch all their movies and rank
their movies, and maybe another episode i'll do that. The
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reason I didn't want to do that this time is
because I didn't want to torture myself with Tim Burton's
bad movies. Because he has a pretty wide range really good,
top tier movies, which I would consider the original Beatle
Juice to probably be his signature movie, the one that
put him on the map. After that one, he got Batman,
he did Edward Scissorhan, Batman Returns. I would say in
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the two thousands his quality diminished at least when it
came to the live action stuff, and depending on what
version of Tim Burton you like, you could be all
into his animated movies, which he does really well. I
don't think he really misses when it comes to his
animated movies even later in his career, with franken Weenie
being one of my favorite animated movies in the spooky genre.
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But he's also done movies that I just can't get
behind the remake of Willy Wonka, but Charlie in the
Chocolate Factory, I can't stand that movie, Alice in Wonderland.
I didn't want to put myself through that dark shadows
all that. I didn't want to go back and Rewatch.
He had a lot of movies, So it was really
Beetlejuice that put him on the map. And the reason
he got that movie is because Peebe's Big Adventure was
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such a major success, did really well. It had that
quirky style, a lot of practical effects which he is
known for, which I love. I talk about that all
the time. So Warner Brothers saw that and they had
him do Beetlejuice, which they were able to make for
only fifteen million dollars. And another thing I just always
stress is the reason Hollywood loves anything in the horror genre,
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which I really don't classify. Beetlejuice to be a horror movie.
Dark comedy has the spooky vibes, puts you in that
spirit of Halloween. But even the original Beetlejuice came out
in March in nineteen eighty eight, didn't come out around
Halloween time at all. And I will say Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice
definitely means more into those spooky vibes coming out in
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September leading up to Halloween. I feel like this one
a little bit more rewatchable around Halloween because I didn't
really associate the first one with Halloween, just it becoming
a cult classic. Even though it had the commercial success,
it just started to become associated with the Halloween time.
But they were able to make it for that fifteen
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million dollars and it ended up grossing seventy four million
dollars at the box office, so a huge hit. And
then the next year, in nineteen eighty nine, he was
given Batman, which those first two Batman movies I love,
And that was at a time where the superhero genre
isn't what it is today. There was no reference for
anything really having success at the box office, and at
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the time it was seen as darker and grittier, which
is wild thinking now that we just had The Batman
with Robert Pattinson a few years ago and that was
seen as like the darkest and grittiest one. But before that,
it was Adam West Surfing, and that was what we
knew was Batman. But if you look back on those
first two Batman films with Michael Keaton, those are two
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of my favorites, just because as a kid I watched those.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Time and time again. Batman is in my.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Top three superheroes of all time. But it has that
Tim Burton vibe, that Tim Burton energy, a lot of
practical effects, very dark, and those movies were marketed towards
the kids, which is kind of the same deal with Beatlejuice.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
The first one was rated PG.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Beetlejuice drops the F bomb in the first movie and
it's still got a PG rating. There are scenes of
him looking under trying to get a glimpse under Geena
Davis's skirt, and the movie still got a PG rating.
Wild what not happen today? Very rarely do you even
see a movie get a G rating unless it's PAWP Patrol.
Pretty much at minimum Pixar Disney movies, they still get
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a PG rating. Very rare for anything to get AG
rating because it has to be so squeaky clean for
that movie to get a PG rating is wild. Would
definitely be PG thirteen rating by today's standards, which is
what Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is because you get the one F bomb.
Interesting thing that this one did. They had the two
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F bombs in there, but the second one was bleeped
out because you can't say it twice, and you get
the R rating, and then it definitely changes the genre
of the movie. You get a handful of S words.
I think it's three. I don't know if there's a
strict code on how many you get, but they threw
those around pretty generous here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So it's not a full on family.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Movie, which I think a lot of people associate the
first one with but it was because of the original Beetlejuice.
Really why Tim Burton is where he is today. He
makes movies for a relatively low budget, at least early
in his career, they made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Due to the profit margin.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He really plays into the campy style in that first
movie and also continuing in this sequel, using a lot
of practical effects that look kind of cheesy, kind of cheap,
but that's kind of a style, so it works if
you were doing it with purpose and intent. It doesn't
look like you were cutting corners. Because he is able
to use stop motion and claymation in a way that
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is very creative, very him, very dark, very macabre. So
it really plays into his style, and that is what
I like about Tim Burton. So if I were to
hand pick my favorite Tim Burton films, I would probably
go back to the original Beetle Juice, his early work,
the original Beetlejuice, the first two Batman movie movies, and
then his animated work. I know a lot of people
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associate him with The Nightmare Before Christmas, but actually didn't
direct that movie. It just had his name attached to it.
So I also love like Franken Weeny, Corpse Bride, pretty
much anything you could go to hot topic to in
the late to mid two thousands and get a T
shirt of like, oh Man, you probably inspired so many
goth kids fashion choices.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But that is Tim Burton. So that is the where
we've been.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Now where are we going with the new Beetlejuice movie.
This movie takes place thirty six years after the original movie.
You have a lot of the original cast back, why
not a rider Catherine O'Hara, who is fantastic, probably had
a bit of a resurger just.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
In her career from Shit's Creek. But you also have,
of course Michael Keaton back as Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Who you don't have back is Alec Baldwin or Geena Davis.
The movie does mention their characters a little bit, but
it's not really revolving around that story whatsoever. And who
gets introduced Jenna Ortiz as the daughter of Lydia. Her
name is Astrid. She is very much like Whynoda Ryder
was in the original movie, Very angsty, very dark. What
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their story is Her dad died, her mom has been
struggling with the grief and her mom. Lydia is now
a talk show host where she talks to the dead,
but her daughter Astrid is upset with her because this
whole time her career revolves around her talking to the dead,
she has never talked to her dad.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
She holds that against her mom.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Also, the beginning of the movie, Lydia's dad dies in
a very tragic accident, and I laugh as I say
that is because they do it in a very ridiculous way,
which is what the Beljuice movies do. There is some
death in killing. I would say it's a little bit
darker in this one, but it's very campy. So even Kelsey,
who really wasn't too interested in watching this movie doesn't
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really like anything Halloween based. I will say it's not
overly grotesque in any way, because it's all very playful,
all very fun. There is like some blood splatter, but
it's nothing you would see in like a slasher film.
So Astrid is having a very hard time having a
good relationship with her mom.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And then you have Beetlejuice's.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Story, which I love the fact that there's the A
plot and the B plot, which in the first movie,
Beatle Juice was only on the screen. I think like
eighteen minutes out of that entire movie. Michael Keaton definitely
gets a lot more screen time in this one. He
is dealing with his ex wife who has come back
to life and wants to kill him. So how the
two stories intersect is what makes this movie a lot
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of fun. It's right around an hour and thirty six minutes,
and I will say I found myself pleasantly entertained throughout
the entire movie.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I think it's because I realized it's been so.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Long since we've had a movie that is just fun
and quirky. It is such a risk to make a
movie like this, and it wasn't back in the eighties.
You could do fun and ridiculous movies. But now I
feel like there's almost this standard of you can't have fun.
You have to do all these things right in order
to get people behind your movie.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
And it was nice to see all of the quirkiness
go up a level.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
A lot of the visuals, which they kept, a lot
of the practical effects just had this refined style, which
I've been talking about in the episode of how you
make a movie in the eighties and you make a
movie now you can just make it look so much better.
So a lot of the effects look a lot less dated,
and it was just fun to see a movie be
ridiculous and to be absurd, and I'm just happy that
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a movie like this can still be made. That being said,
if this movie was the original movie, would it be
as a cult classic as big of a hit as
Beatlejuice would have been in the eighties. I don't think so.
I think storytelling obviously has changed a lot from nineteen
eighty eight to twenty twenty four, but it just has
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like this different feeling to it. There are a lot
more beats in the story on this one, which the
first one was primarily a couple died. They're living in
their house, they're stuck there and they want the family out.
They enlist the help of Beetlejuice. This one definitely had
a lot more going on that felt a little bit
more like they had more of a script to work with.
There was a lot more character development, but it did
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just kind of lack the original novelty that the first
movie had, and I think that's just what you get
in the legacy sequel. It's obviously not going to be
as groundbreaking as the first one. So I will say
why that first one felt a little bit more rebellious
to see what Tim Burton could get away with, you know,
making his first really big, career defining movie. This one
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just felt a little bit more corporate, and I think
that's just the nature of movies now, and I could
kind of see the strings being pulled here and there.
I still feel like overall he had full rain to
do whatever he wanted, but it definitely felt much more
like he was working inside some parameters, definitely kind of
inside a box that nothing really went outside of. But
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there were some really greatfulfore Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice I
would say was pretty on par with the original. Although
I don't know, I kind of feel like Michael Keaton
just does things for the paycheck.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
It still kind of hurts me what he said about
the Batgirl movie that he was just like, eh, I
don't care that it never came out.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I still got paid.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I just kind of feel that he feels that way
about all the projects he takes on. He's like, yeah,
I'll do the Flash, I'll be Batman again, I'll be
Beetlejuice again. As long as the check clears I will
be there. So he gave a good performance. I don't
think he went over the top to make it great,
but hands down the best performance to me was Jenna Ortega.
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To me, she just solidified herself with this movie as
being the go to horror queen. She just has that
aura about her. She is such a great actor. Really,
to me, it feels like she believes in all the
roles she takes on. Even if she does, then she's
a really great actor convincing this that she does, even
the press tour she did doing the odes to all
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the costumes from the original movie. She's just fantastic and
everything I watch her in big Wednesday vibes in this movie,
which I did, feel like this movie had more about
Adam's family vibes than it did beetlejuice vibes from the original.
Then you have one no to Ryder, who I love
her and stranger things. She's having a big resurgence now.
I feel from that she looks fantastic. Even the scenes
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that flash back to the original movie, I'm like she's
hardly aged a bit.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Catherine O'Hara, who.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Is just I would say the funniest in this movie
had the best one liners, and I just see her
as Mira Rose from Shit's Creek, which has also been
a big part of her resurgence. I mean, she was
in home alone in the original Beatlejuice. They brought her back.
She was fantastic. Willem Dafoe, dude has to have the
best agent in Hollywood. I feel like I've seen him
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three times in three different movies this year alone, and
he's great in all of them.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Seeing him do quirky horror is like a plus. Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I loved all the mixed medium, having the stop motion,
the claymation that we all recognize from the first one,
and overall was just a really fun film from start
to finish. But again, since it is a legacy sequel,
I have to compare it to the first one, which normally,
when there's a big just iconic movie one of the
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best movies of the eighties, I usually read those movies
a five out of five. But for me, I don't
even think the original Beetlejuice is a five out of five,
even though it's mostly perfect. I would probably give the
Original Beatle Juice a four point five out of five.
I don't think the sequel is as good as that one,
even though it looks a lot better. I just don't
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think that this movie is going to have the same
impact that that first one did, which would probably be really.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
But I do see myself actually being more inclined to
watch this one around Halloween time because it just has
that setting, It has that feeling a little bit more
to me.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So Juice, Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I give it four out of five stripe suits.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's time to head down to movie.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Mike Traylor par.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Video game adaptations are all the rage right now, and
they're nothing new.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
We have the Mortal Kombat movies back in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Maybe has some really bad video game adaptations over the years.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
A Street Fighter, Oh what a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I mean, Mortal Kombat two was pretty bad, but I
feel like that franchise is back five Nights at Freddy's recently.
Even though I didn't enjoy that movie, the fans of
that video.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Game loved that movie.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
The only movie I've ever been personally attacked. We're not
liking this year alone. We had Borderlands, which did oh
terrible at the box office. It all comes down to timing.
You either have to put out a video game adaptation
right at the height of that game's popularity. That is
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the reason Borderlands didn't do well. That movie is past
its prime. And then you also have a cast that
is so old and not relevant to anybody who would
be interested in watching that movie. It doesn't match or
needs to be based in nostalgia, which is exactly why
I believe Sonic the Hedgehog is low key the best
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video game adaptation franchise right now. It is rooted in
that nineties nostalgia. Back when there were console wars, when
it was Nintendo versus Sega. Nintendo had their mascot of Mario,
very family friendly, fun to play, revolutionary at the time,
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but then you have Sega just wanted to compete. When
Nintendo trying to saturate the video game market, what do
they do Well, They look at their mascot and think,
we need our Super Mario. We're going to do something
different by giving kids a character with some edge, and
they thought Sonic the Headshot can be our Super Mario.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But he has spiky.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Hair, he moves faster, he has attitude, he has an
edge to him, and when you look at the first
Sonic the Headshot game. It's like whoa, It makes Super
Mario look like your dad's video game. And then you
have this blue, fast paced creature running across the screen
collecting coins. You have cool bosses, and suddenly Sega put
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itself on the map.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
They had the animated TV show, which I believe is
so good because it.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Stands apart from the video game, which Super Mario also
had a TV show. They had a live action show,
they had an animated show, but I feel like those
weren't as successful and as memorable without the video game.
It was only cool because it was like, oh cool,
stuff from the video game is in the animated show.
And even the Super Mario Brothers movie Back in the Day,
although I love that one because I associated with my childhood,
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it's not a great video game adaptation. But Sonic the
Hedgehog the animated show with Jalil White aka Arcle from
Family Matters voicing Sonic the Hedgehog, I feel, is its
own entity even if you didn't play the video game.
That TV show on its own is a great Saturday
morning TV cartoon from back in the day, and the
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Sonic the Hedgehog movies have somehow captured the energy of
both that animated show and the video game, and they've
done it in a really fantastic way.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I love the way they've incorporated.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
All the elements from the video game into the movie
without it feeling forced, without it feeling cheesy. But what
they've really gotten right, Well, a few of the things
they've really gotten right, But I would say the main
thing is Sonic actually has a story with emotion in
this movie in part one, and they even addressed it
here in Part three. He's an alien who lands on
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Earth and he is alone, and all he is looking
for is a family. He wants to be a kid,
he wants to have parents. He searches for that identity. Really,
Sonic One, it is a lot like Leilo and Stitch.
Crash lands into Earth, stumbles upon a family. They're kind
of a broken, not really great family, and he's searching
for this identity. You have a evil government entity trying
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to find him and exploit him. So a lot like
Leilo and Stitch, to be honest, but you have that
human element paired with all the great video game elements.
I love the way they subtly incorporate things from the
video game. Really when it comes down to it. I
love how they just subtly work in details like the soundtrack.
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You have those themes, which was a really big part
of those video games Sega. One of the biggest appeals
to that as a kid is the music sounded a
lot better on a Sega than it did on Nintendo.
I had a little bit more of a music, almost
hip hop feel to it. And the Sonic the Hedgehog
movies have taken those original songs and worked them into
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the movie with like this really cool instrumentation.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Some of them were like orchestra.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And sad and just kind of weave themselves into scenes,
just tying everything together. So it's very much kind of
playing on all the nostalgia of everybody who grew up
in the nineties playing the video game and now are adults.
So I think that is why these movies have worked
so well. It's because you have people like me in
their thirties who I have kids now and exposing them
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to Sonic the Hedgehog.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
They have really great action.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Each movie has advanced on the animation style, which if
you think back to before the first movie was even
released and we had the first still a Sonic he
had that weird look. He had the human like teeth
and the little beady eyes which looked a little bit
more accurate to his video game form, but just didn't
work on the big screen in three D, and through
the outrage of fans, they went back and changed the
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design of Sonic. They actually listen to people and therefore
it worked. So I think that is the reason I
feel it is subtly the best video game adaptation right now,
and the reason you are seeing so many of these
right now when it comes to movies, TV shows like Fallout,
it is a hot commodity. The video game industry is massive,
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and what you have in Sonic the Hedgehog three is
the introduction of a new character named Shadow.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
If you're not familiar with him from the.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Video games, he is essentially the evil version of Sonic.
They mentioned in the trailer how their origin stories are similar,
except where Sonic found family, Shadow only found death and destruction.
He was created by doctor Robotnik's dad was also being
played by Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
In this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
You have Keanu Reeves voicing Shadow, the new character. So
a lot of good stuff going on so far in
Sonic three. It is looking promising Before I get into more,
here's a little bit of the Sonic the Hedgehog three.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Trailer, Sonic, you finally found your family. He is much
more impressive than the Hetchhog guy for it previously. Ye dude,
I'm standing right here. You're a colorful bunch. We don't
want to fight you, Actually, Sonic, I would like to fight.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but we need you
know who, doctor, we're visitors. This is sad robot Nick
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even for you. We need your help on one condition.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
So right, The Sonic franchise has really great voice acting.
Ben Schwartz is the voice of Sonic. You probably know
him primarily from Parks and rec but he really leans
into this voice so much so that when I first
watched this trailer and heard his voice, I was like,
it's slowly becoming a little iconic. And that is a
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hard thing to do when it comes to creating a
character of seeing him and also associating him with a voice,
because unlike Super Mario in the video games, who really
only said a few phrases here and there, Sonic never
really heard him talk except for the animated show. But
now more so than Jalel White. I'm associating Sonic now
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with Bench Schwartz voice. He just has that fun, comedic,
almost childlike tone in his voice, and now I can't
hear anybody else doing Sonic Justice. You also have Idris
Elba as Knuckles, who just has a good like, dark,
growny voice and fits it perfect. Sonic did face off
with Knuckles in Sonic two, but now they're all teaming
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up along with Tails to take on Shadow voice by
Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Keanu Reeves is just so interesting to me on the
roles he takes on.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
He has been kind of flirted with joining the MCU,
but hasn't really found the right role. I think he
wanted to play ghost Rider, but none of that ended
up working out. He was also recently supposed to be
in the Star Wars series that Acolyte, but that adn't
work out with his schedule, so hasn't joined the MCU,
hasn't been a part of Star Wars, but now is
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going to be a part of Sonic. So I think
there is just something about the charm of these movies,
or maybe the payout from doing a movie like this
where Hey, I go into booth and record some lines
and collect a pretty nice paycheck, I'll do it. So
maybe there is that appeal, but there has to be
something else because Jim Carrey came out of retirement to
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not only play Doctor Robotnick again, but also play his
dad in this movie. So in the trailer you see
an older version of Doctor Robodnick, who is the character
Gerald who in the video games is the one who
creates Shadow, so it looks like they have some kind
of reconnection, but he's probably gonna end up discovering the
dark secret. And while it might seem all warm and
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fuzzy of being reunited with your dad, that's probably going
to turn badly and then end up fighting each other
because it looks like Robotnik is going to team up
with Sonic Knuckles and Tails to take on Shadow.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
But of all the roles to bring back.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Jim Carrey out of retirement, this is probably the one
I would least expect, although when you look back throughout
history of his really wacky and outlandish roles, it really
isn't that much far off from an ace Ventura from
a mask. I think he really likes roles where he
can dress up a little bit, do the super over
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exaggerated faces. And honestly, like I was talking about with Kenner,
Reeves probably pays.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Really, really well.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
But now this is becoming his legacy franchise, a series
of movies that actually performs pretty well at the box office,
has a pretty solid fan base. So for Jim Carrey
to be a part of something now that has relatively
good positive reviews, maybe that also just feels good to him.
So if I could, I would love to get inside
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his head and figure out why he took this role
on Sonic. The Hedgehog three is coming out on December twentieth.
The other major movie coming out that exact same day
is Mufasa the Lion King. Two really big movies going
head to head in the Christmas season. Oh my goodness.
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If I had to pick a winner in that race,
who is going to be number one? I feel like
most people would assume that The Lion King has more
of a built in fan base. The last live action
Lion King movie was one of the most profitable movies
in the billion dollar club, but I just don't think
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that demand is there. The same way I feel that
most people are a little bit burned by the live
action remakes of Disney movies, So I don't think that
one is going to live up to the expectations at
the box office. I actually think that Sonic three is
going to win at the box office because it is
just a fun movie. You have the adult and the
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younger fan base of parents taking their kids to go
watch this movie, and I just feel that people are
more excited to see the next installment here than they
are to go see a prequel slash sequel of a
movie that has already been done before. I think what
it's really going to come down to is the promotion
there at the end. I think you probably also have
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a little bit more star power with Sonic the Hedgehog
three with Ben Schwartz, Idris Elba, Keanu Reeves, James Marsden,
and Jim Carrey, if they're all able to go out
and promote this movie. I think that cast is a
little bit more fun and lively than everybody involved in
Mufasa the Lion King, because I really don't see Donald Glover,
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Beyonce or Seth Rogan doing much for that movie because
they aren't really part of the primary cast. But I
can't wait to see how this one shakes out. I
love when two movies like this go up against each
other because usually one of them chickens out and switches
they and it would probably in this case be Sonic
because you don't really go up against Disney. It is
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seen as, Oh, there's no way you can win against Disney.
But if there is a year to do it, I
think it's gonna be this year. They've already had a
smash hit with Inside Out two. I don't know if
they can do that again. That was a much more
anticipated sequel than Mufassa. So my winner is Sonic the
Hitchhog three. I think it's the movie I'm gonna have
more fun as an adult going to see in theaters again.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
It is coming out on December twentieth.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
At That was this week's edition of movie Line Tram
or Bar.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
And that is gonna do it for another episode here
of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give
my listeners shout out of the week. This week's listener
shout out goes to Christy, who commented on TikTok my
video from my episode a couple of weeks ago talking
about my movie Pet Peeves. Christy Road, is there an
exception for the.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Mean Girls bus?
Speaker 1 (59:57):
This was in response to one of my pet peeves
being anytime character gets hit by a bus out of nowhere.
I always feel like it's a crutch. It's a way
to get out of a situation where you have some
lazy riding and like, I just need to get rid
of this character. Have them get hit by a bus
because it comes out of nowhere, and it's like, oh,
that's a big shock. But I always just felt like
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that was a cop out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Ending in the case of Mean Girls.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I still feel like it's a bit of a cop out.
It's a way too. In the Rain of Regina George,
the only thing the use of getting hit by a
bus has going for it in that movie is they
actually follow it up. It's not the end of her
character in that movie, and in that situation, there's actually
a bit of a fallout from her getting hit by
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the bus, the rumor of Katie putting her in harm's way,
So there's some.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Actual value there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But I still am not a fan anytime a character
gets hit by a bus. But thank you Christy for
that comment, for asking me that question. You're this week's
listener shout out of the week. You listening right now.
Hope you have a great rest of your week and
until next time, go out and watch good movies and
I will talk to you later
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