December 4, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with Rebekah Koffler, a Russian-born strategic military intelligence analyst and author of 'Putin's Playbook.' They discuss the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the implications of nuclear strategy, and the role of the U.S. in this geopolitical landscape. Koffler shares insights on Putin's motivations, the dependency of Ukraine on Western support, and the potential consequences of U.S. involvement. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are going to
be talking all things Russia and Ukraine today because we
have a Russian born strategic military intelligence analyst with us.
Her name is Rebecca Koffler, and she is also the
author of Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America. Rebecca,
thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Of course, it's pleasure to be here with your tutor
in your audience.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, it's such an interesting time because I think everybody
is sort of wondering what happens in these next two
months and then what happens when Donald Trump takes over.
But as we've seen in just the last few days,
we see the Secretary of State of the United States
of America coming out and saying, oh, we're giving seven
hundred and twenty five million dollars in weapons and equipment
to Ukraine to continue this fight. You've studied Putin, you
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know what's going on. Are we looking at this escalating
to a nuclear level? Or what is your prediction of
what we see in the next two months? And then
once Donald Trump takes office.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's exactly what we're looking at, Tutor, and I predicted
it not only back in the intelligence community, having briefed
the Obama White House, NATO, Yukoon, strack com which are
the combatant commands that are guarding our nuclear weapons and
are responsible for prosecuting a war in Europe. I also
(01:24):
predicted this in my book Putin's Playboy, Russia's Secret Plan
to Defeat America, which was published in twenty twenty one
and update is coming in March twenty twenty five. So
Russian war fighting strategy, its centerpiece is nuclear weapons. Why
is that? It's because NATO is conventionally superior and Russia
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is superior in terms of nuclear realm. And now that
President Biden foolishly authorized Zelenski to strike deep into Russia
with attack on Pudin has retaliated using a an ICBM
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disguised as an IRBM. ICBMs are designed to wage nuclear war,
and that missile, the Audioshnik, can do both. In fact,
it can fight nuclear war without producing a nuclear mushroom.
And that's what we are inching towards right now, with
Biden remaining cognitively impaired and his finger being on the
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nuclear button of US homeland.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So let me ask you, Russia is so powerful? I
mean it's such a large country. Now, I know that
they haven't been in the best financial shape, but they
are a massive country with a connection to China. How
is Ukraine actually holding them off?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It isn't. This is why we are in this third year.
It's almost three years old. This war. Putin is calibrating
his war strategy to make it the war of attrition.
What is a war of attrition? It's the relentless elimination
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of adversarial manpower and weapons arsenal Right, he doesn't want
ideally to provoke a retaliation from NATO or the United States,
because again he doesn't want to cause nuclear war or
even a kinetic conventional war. But he wants to keep
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Ukraine away from NATO, which is a red line for Russia.
And he stated it multiple times. And that's why Ukraine
is basically ceasing to exist, if you will. It's financially
one hundred depend and on the United States and Europe.
And that's why President Biden continues this gravy train, throwing
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in billions and billions of dollars for the unwinnable war
and ukraine It's infrastructure is fifty percent illuminated by the Russians,
and so once the infrastructure is eliminated, the power grid
is down, especially in winter, the people are going to
have a very very hard time surviving. And that is
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thanks to the miscalculation of the US and NATO of
what is called the combat potential between Russia and Ukraine. Okay, okay,
but let me it's never winnable for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Let me ask you this. There's two schools of thought,
and I want to get your opinion on what you
think Putin is trying to do here. Because there's the
group of people that say, oh, he's just trying to
take back the Soviet Union and he wants he wanted Crimea,
he now he wants Ukraine. He wants to rejoin the
nations of the Soviet Union and recreate the Soviet Union
and then he'll be satisfied. And there's a group that
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says he's going to power through Ukraine go right into Poland,
and that's going to be World War three, and that's
why the US has to be involved.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, Well, the second school of thought is idiotic and
die here's why Putin is not suicidal. He's a rational man.
He's not going to invade Poland or Germany. Or any
NATO country. Why is that. It's because there's a thing
called Article five collective Defense. And as I said, Russia
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is conventionally inferior. Put In fears the deployment of US
and NATO troops into the theater in Ukraine. This is
why he keeps saying that he's going to have to
use nuclear weapons. And he lowered the nuclear threshold by
approving an updated nuclear doctrine. And so what he wants
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is to establish what is called the strategic security perimeter
that has a row with the collapse of the Soviet
Union in nineteen ninety one, from about one thousand miles
to one hundred miles. That's a shorter distance than between
New York and Washington. Just like we the United States
have our own of the Monroe Doctrine, the Russians have
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theirs on which they have relied for their security on centuries,
and Ukraine is part of that. And that's what this
war is all about.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So, so if Russia just wants Ukraine, I mean, obviously
that's a significant problem. But if that is the goal,
here have we seen the United States get involved in
a war like this at this level in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
First, the United States has never been in this type
of war before because it has never fought with the
nuclear power. Nuclear weapons are a completely different animal. They
would not be any winners or losers, so to speak.
(07:03):
And why is that? And we modeled this back in
the intelligence community. I personally led some red teams in
these war games. Red team typically means an adversaries military force,
whether it's Russia, China, Ran and blue team is the
United States. Every single war it progressed between Russia and
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the United States, which, by the way, the Russian General
Staff has assessed a few years ago as inevitable because
we are fighting with the Russians of the control of
what they consider them in Roe doctrine. So every war
progressed eventually into the nuclear realm. And even if you
fire a tactical nuclear warhead which is sub kiloton yield,
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low fallout, it eventually progresses into a large scale nuclear
war because the United States does not have currently tactical warheads.
For your information, President Trump during his first term authorized
a US capability is similar to what the Russians have
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for our navy to develop a nucleative sea launch criwistmas
as by President Biden. Nick step program. So this is
why this war is inevitable. And this is why my
book is called Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America because
such plan does exist, and I describe it at the
unclassified level. Why does it exist Not because Russians want
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to invade the United States and strike guys. But they
have prepared this plan for the event that the United
States uses a third country like Ukraine to defeat Russia.
That's why it exists. Why do Europeans not participate, Well,
it beats me. It's a mystery to me. And as
I said, I personally brief NATO in twenty thirty in September,
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just a few months before Putting's invasion of Crimea, and
I laid out at the classified level what Putting's plans were,
what the war fighting churgy was. And yet nobody wanted
to contribute towards their own security and develop a Bible
tourist strategy beef up the force pot job. And in fact,
very few countries right now in NATO contribute even two
(09:23):
percent towards their security because they are used to using
as as suckers. Even Germany, the richest country in Europe,
still does it not pay two percent so, and it's
just interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's not the it's not historically what the United States
has done. I mean, this is certainly not what the
founding fathers wanted. They were saying, stay out of foreign
wars as much as you can. You are a superpower,
or they were planning to become. They knew that they
knew what they had with the land of the United
States of America, they knew that the potential was there. Ultimately,
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the United the States becomes a superpower. I understand peace
through strength. This is just now an ongoing war. I
see the Democrats continuously every day promoting this ongoing war.
It's very suspicious. Now you have, as you mentioned, Joe
Biden saying that he's authorizing Ukraine to bomb Russia. That's
a whole nother level. Putin had already warned of nuclear
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war if that were to happen. That was his response
to this. Now, in the last after that response of
him saying that he will use nuclear weapons that will
reach the United States, we have the Secretary of State
announcing that they're sending more weapons and more equipment to Ukraine.
I haven't read exactly what that equipment and what those
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weapons are, what is happening here between Biden and Trump,
because you've said that Putin has tricked for presidents Trump
is not one of them. Is Biden being manipulated right
now or is he doing this in order to set
Trump up for failure and nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's a mystery to me, Trud. I'm actually very good
at getting inside put In the mindset and on which
I spent my intelligence Korea. I have no idea how
Biden's brain works and whether it was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Actually might not know that right this moment either it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So I have two hypotheses. Well, let's just say it's
one primary hypothesis that the real person who is pulling
the stray the strings here is someone like President Obama
and his circle, because look at it this way, the
majority of Biden's circle are Obama people, the Obama people
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that have the same ideology, and that is to continue
what they view as democratizing Ukraine, and Ukraine has nothing
in its history just like Russia, pointing to the fact
that it could ever become a democracy. In fact, Zelensky
is a mini cho Putin. He's not a democratic leader,
(12:06):
and we can talk about it forever. You know, he
outlawed all opposition.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So, well, yeah, he doesn't. Now that he's in a
wartime president, he never has to have another election. I mean,
that's pretty suspicious. The guy is coming over in sweatpants
and a sweatshirt and addressing the UN and everybody else.
I mean, there's something nobody feels good about that. And
yet there seemed to be this faction of the country
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that are completely brainwashed into believing that this guy has
some global hero, which I don't see him as a
global hero at all. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next. On the Tutor Dixon podcast. You talk
about Obama, get into that because you say he was
tricked by Putin, and I want to know exactly what
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you mean by that, because if he truly is pulling
the strings, and I believe he is in much of
the Democrat Party, how much danger are we in and
how could he be so naive?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So basically what happened during the Obama presidency. In the
beginning the next one, I briefed his White House at
highly highly classified level on Putin's plans. They didn't want
to hear that. At the Pentagon, the response was, why
do you keep telling us about a war? With Russia.
(13:23):
We're not planning on going to war with Russia. And
my response was, well, the Russians believe that we will
be at war, might want to listen because the Russians
saw that we keep, you know, expanding NATO. Well, Obama
wanted to have peace with Putin, and Putin is a
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former KGB officer. He basically prides himself on being a
human relations specialist. And I quote and he boughted out, uh,
you know, Obama, he was basically manipulating them to the
point where in twenty thirteen, when Syria's Assad used chemical
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weapons against his own people, Obama and his Secretary of
State John Kerry decided, oh, let's just let the Russians
eliminate or take out those weapons. And this was almost laughable.
And we couldn't believe in the intelligence community that Obama
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and his advisors could be so stupid as to believe
that Putin would actually do that, because Russia and Syria
are allies, and so this level of incompetence exists in
the US national security operatus, and so it's very dangerous
right now during this period where President Trump is still
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not president and President Biden is basically messing up Trump's
peace plan by can continuing to escalate and to basically
continue flowing billions of dollars of weaponry into Ukraine. But
my suspicion is there's also huge and huge monetary entanglements
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between the military industrial complex and the Biden administration in Ukraine,
because why else would they never, you know, have enough
money for our own people. You know, Americans who experience
hurricanes and other hardships, but there's always somehow money for
someone else, such as Ukraine. Billions and billions of them.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh, you can't possibly mean that maybe people in the
administration are making money off of us staying at war.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, watch way people go. Once Biden is out right,
watch where all of his advisors go, what kind of
jobs they take, And I guarantee you it's going to
be the Lockheed Margins, the North through Grammans and the
raytheons of the US. Look at where a Secretary of
Defense Lloyd Austin comes from, and he personally he said
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that the goal of US involvement in what technically is
a Russia Ukraine a local war is to deplete Russian's
weapons arsenal and to weaken Russia militarily and at the
same time, it's feeding our military industrial complex, and Secretar
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Lloyd Austin was on the board, that's where he came from,
on the board of a huge military industrial complex.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I mean, is there the chance then, what you're saying
would be that there is the chance that an administration
and I don't believe that Joe Biden is making these
decisions because I don't believe Joe Biden is making any decisions.
I don't even believe that Joe Biden. Pardon Hunter Biden.
I think that Hunter Biden sat down at Thanksgiving dinner
and looked at his mother and said, he can't even speak.
(16:58):
We've got to do this now before he dies before
the end of his term. So I don't believe Joe
Biden is making any decisions right now. But I do
believe that there are enough corrupt individuals in government on
both sides, but the Biden administration is in office right now,
that they would continue to escalate a war for personal profit.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
One hundred percent. Look, as you mentioned, I was born
and raised in Soviet Russia. I came to this country
for justice and freedom, and what I found having served
in the US government that it's worse than the Serviet
government and the KGB. Why is that. It's because in
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Russia you know exactly what to expect. You know, the
government does corrupt. You know Putin is an assassin. You
know KGB tortures and poisons people. In the US, we
have this impression that we have a system of justice.
But you know, it's basically Trump's i mean, Biden's pardon
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of Hunter Biden, whoever that's behind all this stuff. It's
straight out of the Soviet playbook. The whole dual justice
system is straight out of the Soviet playbook. They borrowed it,
and it's basically they're doing the very same thing that
the Russian dictatorship the Chinese dictatorship are doing to keep
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their power.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
To keep to be honest. For let's be honest for
a second too, because Ukraine was one of the most
corrupt countries in the entire entirety of Europe, especially Eastern Europe,
and Hunter Biden went there like that's where he learned
this stuff. Hunter Biden was a prodigy of the corruption
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of Ukraine. So we forget, we seem to forget that
Ukraine was so corrupt we sent someone there to try
to figure out what was going on. We tried to
get infiltrate and find out how bad it truly was.
So Russia is now trying to take back their own
I mean, this was a part of the Soviet Union,
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as I mentioned, so they learned it from the best.
I mean when you talk about him being a person
of human relations or a specialist of human relations, this
is a guy was to train brainwasher. I mean, he
just messes with people's minds. That's what these people do.
And Ukraine is just a little Russia. Okay, So now
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he's trying to bring them back together. Our president's son
learned from the worst of the worst, and now suddenly
we're sending them billions of dollars to fight the mother
of all communist countries and the people who are taught
them to brainwash everybody. What are we thinking.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Exactly to And I'll bring one more dimension to this.
Our leaders like to lecture countries like Russia and China,
positioning themselves and as morally superior. Right. But Joe Biden
just a few years ago asked Zelensky op pressure Zelensky
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to lower the conscription rate for Ukrainian military to eighteen.
These are kids I have a twenty one year old
born in America, and he's a kid to me. Right now,
half a million of Ukrainian men are either dead or
gravely wounded, and the Ukrainian KGB right the SBUs Lucabi
(20:46):
Bespeke Ukraine is running around grabbing Ukrainian men off the
streets to throw them on the battlefield. How can we
pretend that we have this moral superiority. I mean, Biden
basically has Ukrainian's blood on his hand.
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We've got more after this. He is sending children into
an unwinnable war. So let me ask you this. We
talked about the two scenarios. You said that this is
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to reunite the Soviet Union. What happens then if he
gets that, what happens, then what's his goal? Putin?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So the nuance here, I did not say he wants
to tech to physically reunite the Soviet Union. What I
said is he wants to reconstitute the strategic security perimeter.
And what that means is that, uh, they want to
have Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia be governed by neral either neutral
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governments or pro Russian, but it minimum not hostile to Russia.
And so and they want neutrality in terms of military blocks.
They don't want these countries in NATO because once NATO admits,
you know, a country, it deploys its military hardware, It
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deployed you know, such as radar systems, which is part
of the missile defense, It deploys forces and things like that.
And so then all of a sudden, Russia fiance, yeah,
adversari alliance, which is actually designated as its top security
thread right on its doorsteps. So that's what Putin doesn't want. Now,
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if let's just say President Trump, for argument's sake, is
going to make that piece deal, which now is going
to be extremely difficult because Putin does not trust the
United States at this point, because Biden just did one eighty.
Biden himself said two years ago that he doesn't provide
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attack comes to Ukraine because he doesn't want to start
a World War three, and now he did, so it's
gonna be very difficult for Trumps. But arguments say, let's
just say Trump does that peace planned, you still Europeans
have to beef up their forced pasture because Russia is
the kind of country. It is an opportunistic right. What
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does it mean. It's because throughout the centuries it relied
on the depth to protect Moscow and Simpetersburg, the two
seats of the Russian government. And so if Europe is
not protected, meaning if they don't beef up the force pasture,
and NATO is so fractured that puldn't believe decides that
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Article five is not going to be enforced. I do
not rule out the possibility that, let's say, five or
ten years from today, if NATO is weak, that he
would try to take back the Baltics. Okay, so that
is the conundrum. You have to be very nuanced in
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your Russia policy. And I don't have the confidence that
the people who are in charge right now have the
intellectual firepower, in the historic knowledge to deal with somebody
as intelligent and sophisticated and brutal as Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, brutal, I think is the word that people seem
to forget about this. I think everybody thinks that this
is the modern world where everybody is nice. I mean,
you end up with backpackers who go through Afghanistan because
they want to prove that everybody's friendly, and they're immediately murdered.
You know, this is like people don't understand that there
are brutal dictators out there, and Putin seems to be
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connecting himself to most of them. I mean, he's become
friends with President g in China. He is using North
Korean missiles. What is the connection between ron China, North Korea,
and Russia.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, the connection is simple, and that is the hatred
of the United States and the perception that the US
is their top security threat. Since you brought up North Korea,
some of the so called analysts right the talking head
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are saying that, oh, Putin now has to rely on
North Korean weapons and on their soldiers. No, Putin is
involving the North Korean soldiers to give them combat experience
for the eventuality that there is, in fact World War
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three in which Russia, China, run in North Korea are
going to be on one front and Nata are going
to be on the other. So the Chinese haven't had
combat experience. Neither have the North Koreans Iranians had experience
in irregular warfare because they use proxies, but none of
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them have conventional traditional warfare experience, and that's what the
North Koreans are getting. Putin has plenty of his own forces.
He just authorized the enlargement of the Russian forces over
the limit of the maximum allowable limit of He's now
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in christed to two million, three hundred and fifty thousand
of them one point five million active duty. For comparison,
the United States has about one and a half million
that includes national reserves, and Putin just authorized a massive
increase in the defense budget. So he's getting ready to
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fight a protected, very long war, including World War three,
And all we have to say is, oh, the Russians
don't know how to fight. You know, this military system
is not good. That is not good. He's relying on
like you have to actually use your brain and study
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the problem. You can't just like say things. And that's
what it seems like. All the traditional media channels, you know,
unlike your channel and some other you know, new types
of media, all of these people who give you three minutes,
three to five minutes to explain these extremely complex problems.
All they do is buzzwords, right, and they.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Don't want to know. They don't want They also don't
want to go against the administration. They don't want to
admit that. These people, I think that there's this there's
been this discussion for many years of globalism, and globalism
brings peace because everybody relies on one another. We're all
sharing products and we're all sharing trade, and it's wonderful.
It's a glorious utopia. And that's just simply not true.
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And if you speak to military experts, they would tell
you every single time, yes, to you, that makes sense
when you are dealing with a homicidal dictator who is,
as you said, brutal. And then I'm talking about them
all together because you're dealing with China, you're dealing with
North Korea. I mean these guys that I had told
these guys their next level, like no one in the
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United States even can comprehend what this is. And they
don't care about trade. At the end of the day,
that's not their concern. They will go, they will work
with each other, and they will take everybody else out.
There's just no logic there. I just don't know why
the American people don't see this.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And the logic is to uh, the logic is to
deceive the adversary. They even use trade to invent certain
malicious products and capabilities into our capability military, including military capabilities.
I mean TikTok and all the components on which we
rely electronics, they are all just rigged and rigged with
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intelligence collection type of capabilities. Like I personally I used it.
Why was TikTok banned from US government? But unfortunately, like
in our infinite wisdom, we allow platforms like let's say,
the Russian KGB owned Kaspersky for years, Kaspersky anti virus
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software was deployed on our federal computer systems. It's not
until President Donald Trump came in and said, boot that
crap partner my French out. But again, the people who
manage us, they're just really low IQ. Like President Trump says,
I'm sorry to say that. I don't know how else
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to say it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No, I agree. I mean, these are things we've heard
about for years. We all remember when we said, oh,
we can't have Huawei, but we have all these electronics.
We have these dr I mean our drones that we
use at the border. The drones come from China. It's outrageous.
It's like we've got to have people that are serious
get in there and say national security is number one.
If you don't have national security, you have nothing. And
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yet it seems to be lost on so many folks.
But I think it's not necessarily lost. I think you're right.
I think a lot of it is corruption, and we
can talk about it for probably hours more. But I
appreciate you so much coming on, Rebecca Coffler, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Is there any place people can follow you or where
can they get your book?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
My book you can find really anywhere on Amazon or
wherever the books are sold called Putin's Playbook. The update
coming in March, and I am on all social media Twitter,
get our true social YouTube you name it. Rebecca zero
one three to two is my handle.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on today, of course,
and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcasts.
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and join us next time. Have a blessing,
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are going to
be talking all things Russia and Ukraine today because we
have a Russian born strategic military intelligence analyst with us.
Her name is Rebecca Koffler, and she is also the
author of Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America. Rebecca,
thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Of course, it's pleasure to be here with your tutor
in your audience.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, it's such an interesting time because I think everybody
is sort of wondering what happens in these next two
months and then what happens when Donald Trump takes over.
But as we've seen in just the last few days,
we see the Secretary of State of the United States
of America coming out and saying, oh, we're giving seven
hundred and twenty five million dollars in weapons and equipment
to Ukraine to continue this fight. You've studied Putin, you
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know what's going on. Are we looking at this escalating
to a nuclear level? Or what is your prediction of
what we see in the next two months? And then
once Donald Trump takes office.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's exactly what we're looking at, Tutor, and I predicted
it not only back in the intelligence community, having briefed
the Obama White House, NATO, Yukoon, strack com which are
the combatant commands that are guarding our nuclear weapons and
are responsible for prosecuting a war in Europe. I also
(01:24):
predicted this in my book Putin's Playboy, Russia's Secret Plan
to Defeat America, which was published in twenty twenty one
and update is coming in March twenty twenty five. So
Russian war fighting strategy, its centerpiece is nuclear weapons. Why
is that? It's because NATO is conventionally superior and Russia
(01:50):
is superior in terms of nuclear realm. And now that
President Biden foolishly authorized Zelenski to strike deep into Russia
with attack on Pudin has retaliated using a an ICBM
(02:11):
disguised as an IRBM. ICBMs are designed to wage nuclear war,
and that missile, the Audioshnik, can do both. In fact,
it can fight nuclear war without producing a nuclear mushroom.
And that's what we are inching towards right now, with
Biden remaining cognitively impaired and his finger being on the
(02:36):
nuclear button of US homeland.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So let me ask you, Russia is so powerful? I
mean it's such a large country. Now, I know that
they haven't been in the best financial shape, but they
are a massive country with a connection to China. How
is Ukraine actually holding them off?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It isn't. This is why we are in this third year.
It's almost three years old. This war. Putin is calibrating
his war strategy to make it the war of attrition.
What is a war of attrition? It's the relentless elimination
(03:19):
of adversarial manpower and weapons arsenal Right, he doesn't want
ideally to provoke a retaliation from NATO or the United States,
because again he doesn't want to cause nuclear war or
even a kinetic conventional war. But he wants to keep
(03:43):
Ukraine away from NATO, which is a red line for Russia.
And he stated it multiple times. And that's why Ukraine
is basically ceasing to exist, if you will. It's financially
one hundred depend and on the United States and Europe.
And that's why President Biden continues this gravy train, throwing
(04:07):
in billions and billions of dollars for the unwinnable war
and ukraine It's infrastructure is fifty percent illuminated by the Russians,
and so once the infrastructure is eliminated, the power grid
is down, especially in winter, the people are going to
have a very very hard time surviving. And that is
(04:29):
thanks to the miscalculation of the US and NATO of
what is called the combat potential between Russia and Ukraine. Okay, okay,
but let me it's never winnable for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Let me ask you this. There's two schools of thought,
and I want to get your opinion on what you
think Putin is trying to do here. Because there's the
group of people that say, oh, he's just trying to
take back the Soviet Union and he wants he wanted Crimea,
he now he wants Ukraine. He wants to rejoin the
nations of the Soviet Union and recreate the Soviet Union
and then he'll be satisfied. And there's a group that
(05:02):
says he's going to power through Ukraine go right into Poland,
and that's going to be World War three, and that's
why the US has to be involved.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, Well, the second school of thought is idiotic and
die here's why Putin is not suicidal. He's a rational man.
He's not going to invade Poland or Germany. Or any
NATO country. Why is that. It's because there's a thing
called Article five collective Defense. And as I said, Russia
(05:33):
is conventionally inferior. Put In fears the deployment of US
and NATO troops into the theater in Ukraine. This is
why he keeps saying that he's going to have to
use nuclear weapons. And he lowered the nuclear threshold by
approving an updated nuclear doctrine. And so what he wants
(05:54):
is to establish what is called the strategic security perimeter
that has a row with the collapse of the Soviet
Union in nineteen ninety one, from about one thousand miles
to one hundred miles. That's a shorter distance than between
New York and Washington. Just like we the United States
have our own of the Monroe Doctrine, the Russians have
(06:16):
theirs on which they have relied for their security on centuries,
and Ukraine is part of that. And that's what this
war is all about.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So, so if Russia just wants Ukraine, I mean, obviously
that's a significant problem. But if that is the goal,
here have we seen the United States get involved in
a war like this at this level in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
First, the United States has never been in this type
of war before because it has never fought with the
nuclear power. Nuclear weapons are a completely different animal. They
would not be any winners or losers, so to speak.
(07:03):
And why is that? And we modeled this back in
the intelligence community. I personally led some red teams in
these war games. Red team typically means an adversaries military force,
whether it's Russia, China, Ran and blue team is the
United States. Every single war it progressed between Russia and
(07:25):
the United States, which, by the way, the Russian General
Staff has assessed a few years ago as inevitable because
we are fighting with the Russians of the control of
what they consider them in Roe doctrine. So every war
progressed eventually into the nuclear realm. And even if you
fire a tactical nuclear warhead which is sub kiloton yield,
(07:50):
low fallout, it eventually progresses into a large scale nuclear
war because the United States does not have currently tactical warheads.
For your information, President Trump during his first term authorized
a US capability is similar to what the Russians have
(08:12):
for our navy to develop a nucleative sea launch criwistmas
as by President Biden. Nick step program. So this is
why this war is inevitable. And this is why my
book is called Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America because
such plan does exist, and I describe it at the
unclassified level. Why does it exist Not because Russians want
(08:36):
to invade the United States and strike guys. But they
have prepared this plan for the event that the United
States uses a third country like Ukraine to defeat Russia.
That's why it exists. Why do Europeans not participate, Well,
it beats me. It's a mystery to me. And as
I said, I personally brief NATO in twenty thirty in September,
(09:01):
just a few months before Putting's invasion of Crimea, and
I laid out at the classified level what Putting's plans were,
what the war fighting churgy was. And yet nobody wanted
to contribute towards their own security and develop a Bible
tourist strategy beef up the force pot job. And in fact,
very few countries right now in NATO contribute even two
(09:23):
percent towards their security because they are used to using
as as suckers. Even Germany, the richest country in Europe,
still does it not pay two percent so, and it's
just interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's not the it's not historically what the United States
has done. I mean, this is certainly not what the
founding fathers wanted. They were saying, stay out of foreign
wars as much as you can. You are a superpower,
or they were planning to become. They knew that they
knew what they had with the land of the United
States of America, they knew that the potential was there. Ultimately,
(09:59):
the United the States becomes a superpower. I understand peace
through strength. This is just now an ongoing war. I
see the Democrats continuously every day promoting this ongoing war.
It's very suspicious. Now you have, as you mentioned, Joe
Biden saying that he's authorizing Ukraine to bomb Russia. That's
a whole nother level. Putin had already warned of nuclear
(10:23):
war if that were to happen. That was his response
to this. Now, in the last after that response of
him saying that he will use nuclear weapons that will
reach the United States, we have the Secretary of State
announcing that they're sending more weapons and more equipment to Ukraine.
I haven't read exactly what that equipment and what those
(10:44):
weapons are, what is happening here between Biden and Trump,
because you've said that Putin has tricked for presidents Trump
is not one of them. Is Biden being manipulated right
now or is he doing this in order to set
Trump up for failure and nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's a mystery to me, Trud. I'm actually very good
at getting inside put In the mindset and on which
I spent my intelligence Korea. I have no idea how
Biden's brain works and whether it was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Actually might not know that right this moment either it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So I have two hypotheses. Well, let's just say it's
one primary hypothesis that the real person who is pulling
the stray the strings here is someone like President Obama
and his circle, because look at it this way, the
majority of Biden's circle are Obama people, the Obama people
(11:45):
that have the same ideology, and that is to continue
what they view as democratizing Ukraine, and Ukraine has nothing
in its history just like Russia, pointing to the fact
that it could ever become a democracy. In fact, Zelensky
is a mini cho Putin. He's not a democratic leader,
(12:06):
and we can talk about it forever. You know, he
outlawed all opposition.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So, well, yeah, he doesn't. Now that he's in a
wartime president, he never has to have another election. I mean,
that's pretty suspicious. The guy is coming over in sweatpants
and a sweatshirt and addressing the UN and everybody else.
I mean, there's something nobody feels good about that. And
yet there seemed to be this faction of the country
(12:31):
that are completely brainwashed into believing that this guy has
some global hero, which I don't see him as a
global hero at all. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next. On the Tutor Dixon podcast. You talk
about Obama, get into that because you say he was
tricked by Putin, and I want to know exactly what
(12:52):
you mean by that, because if he truly is pulling
the strings, and I believe he is in much of
the Democrat Party, how much danger are we in and
how could he be so naive?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So basically what happened during the Obama presidency. In the
beginning the next one, I briefed his White House at
highly highly classified level on Putin's plans. They didn't want
to hear that. At the Pentagon, the response was, why
do you keep telling us about a war? With Russia.
(13:23):
We're not planning on going to war with Russia. And
my response was, well, the Russians believe that we will
be at war, might want to listen because the Russians
saw that we keep, you know, expanding NATO. Well, Obama
wanted to have peace with Putin, and Putin is a
(13:43):
former KGB officer. He basically prides himself on being a
human relations specialist. And I quote and he boughted out, uh,
you know, Obama, he was basically manipulating them to the
point where in twenty thirteen, when Syria's Assad used chemical
(14:06):
weapons against his own people, Obama and his Secretary of
State John Kerry decided, oh, let's just let the Russians
eliminate or take out those weapons. And this was almost laughable.
And we couldn't believe in the intelligence community that Obama
(14:28):
and his advisors could be so stupid as to believe
that Putin would actually do that, because Russia and Syria
are allies, and so this level of incompetence exists in
the US national security operatus, and so it's very dangerous
right now during this period where President Trump is still
(14:51):
not president and President Biden is basically messing up Trump's
peace plan by can continuing to escalate and to basically
continue flowing billions of dollars of weaponry into Ukraine. But
my suspicion is there's also huge and huge monetary entanglements
(15:14):
between the military industrial complex and the Biden administration in Ukraine,
because why else would they never, you know, have enough
money for our own people. You know, Americans who experience
hurricanes and other hardships, but there's always somehow money for
someone else, such as Ukraine. Billions and billions of them.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh, you can't possibly mean that maybe people in the
administration are making money off of us staying at war.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, watch way people go. Once Biden is out right,
watch where all of his advisors go, what kind of
jobs they take, And I guarantee you it's going to
be the Lockheed Margins, the North through Grammans and the
raytheons of the US. Look at where a Secretary of
Defense Lloyd Austin comes from, and he personally he said
(16:07):
that the goal of US involvement in what technically is
a Russia Ukraine a local war is to deplete Russian's
weapons arsenal and to weaken Russia militarily and at the
same time, it's feeding our military industrial complex, and Secretar
(16:28):
Lloyd Austin was on the board, that's where he came from,
on the board of a huge military industrial complex.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I mean, is there the chance then, what you're saying
would be that there is the chance that an administration
and I don't believe that Joe Biden is making these
decisions because I don't believe Joe Biden is making any decisions.
I don't even believe that Joe Biden. Pardon Hunter Biden.
I think that Hunter Biden sat down at Thanksgiving dinner
and looked at his mother and said, he can't even speak.
(16:58):
We've got to do this now before he dies before
the end of his term. So I don't believe Joe
Biden is making any decisions right now. But I do
believe that there are enough corrupt individuals in government on
both sides, but the Biden administration is in office right now,
that they would continue to escalate a war for personal profit.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
One hundred percent. Look, as you mentioned, I was born
and raised in Soviet Russia. I came to this country
for justice and freedom, and what I found having served
in the US government that it's worse than the Serviet
government and the KGB. Why is that. It's because in
(17:42):
Russia you know exactly what to expect. You know, the
government does corrupt. You know Putin is an assassin. You
know KGB tortures and poisons people. In the US, we
have this impression that we have a system of justice.
But you know, it's basically Trump's i mean, Biden's pardon
(18:04):
of Hunter Biden, whoever that's behind all this stuff. It's
straight out of the Soviet playbook. The whole dual justice
system is straight out of the Soviet playbook. They borrowed it,
and it's basically they're doing the very same thing that
the Russian dictatorship the Chinese dictatorship are doing to keep
(18:28):
their power.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
To keep to be honest. For let's be honest for
a second too, because Ukraine was one of the most
corrupt countries in the entire entirety of Europe, especially Eastern Europe,
and Hunter Biden went there like that's where he learned
this stuff. Hunter Biden was a prodigy of the corruption
(18:50):
of Ukraine. So we forget, we seem to forget that
Ukraine was so corrupt we sent someone there to try
to figure out what was going on. We tried to
get infiltrate and find out how bad it truly was.
So Russia is now trying to take back their own
I mean, this was a part of the Soviet Union,
(19:12):
as I mentioned, so they learned it from the best.
I mean when you talk about him being a person
of human relations or a specialist of human relations, this
is a guy was to train brainwasher. I mean, he
just messes with people's minds. That's what these people do.
And Ukraine is just a little Russia. Okay, So now
(19:33):
he's trying to bring them back together. Our president's son
learned from the worst of the worst, and now suddenly
we're sending them billions of dollars to fight the mother
of all communist countries and the people who are taught
them to brainwash everybody. What are we thinking.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Exactly to And I'll bring one more dimension to this.
Our leaders like to lecture countries like Russia and China,
positioning themselves and as morally superior. Right. But Joe Biden
just a few years ago asked Zelensky op pressure Zelensky
(20:20):
to lower the conscription rate for Ukrainian military to eighteen.
These are kids I have a twenty one year old
born in America, and he's a kid to me. Right now,
half a million of Ukrainian men are either dead or
gravely wounded, and the Ukrainian KGB right the SBUs Lucabi
(20:46):
Bespeke Ukraine is running around grabbing Ukrainian men off the
streets to throw them on the battlefield. How can we
pretend that we have this moral superiority. I mean, Biden
basically has Ukrainian's blood on his hand.
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We've got more after this. He is sending children into
an unwinnable war. So let me ask you this. We
talked about the two scenarios. You said that this is
(22:28):
to reunite the Soviet Union. What happens then if he
gets that, what happens, then what's his goal? Putin?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So the nuance here, I did not say he wants
to tech to physically reunite the Soviet Union. What I
said is he wants to reconstitute the strategic security perimeter.
And what that means is that, uh, they want to
have Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia be governed by neral either neutral
(22:59):
governments or pro Russian, but it minimum not hostile to Russia.
And so and they want neutrality in terms of military blocks.
They don't want these countries in NATO because once NATO admits,
you know, a country, it deploys its military hardware, It
(23:21):
deployed you know, such as radar systems, which is part
of the missile defense, It deploys forces and things like that.
And so then all of a sudden, Russia fiance, yeah,
adversari alliance, which is actually designated as its top security
thread right on its doorsteps. So that's what Putin doesn't want. Now,
(23:41):
if let's just say President Trump, for argument's sake, is
going to make that piece deal, which now is going
to be extremely difficult because Putin does not trust the
United States at this point, because Biden just did one eighty.
Biden himself said two years ago that he doesn't provide
(24:02):
attack comes to Ukraine because he doesn't want to start
a World War three, and now he did, so it's
gonna be very difficult for Trumps. But arguments say, let's
just say Trump does that peace planned, you still Europeans
have to beef up their forced pasture because Russia is
the kind of country. It is an opportunistic right. What
(24:22):
does it mean. It's because throughout the centuries it relied
on the depth to protect Moscow and Simpetersburg, the two
seats of the Russian government. And so if Europe is
not protected, meaning if they don't beef up the force pasture,
and NATO is so fractured that puldn't believe decides that
(24:47):
Article five is not going to be enforced. I do
not rule out the possibility that, let's say, five or
ten years from today, if NATO is weak, that he
would try to take back the Baltics. Okay, so that
is the conundrum. You have to be very nuanced in
(25:09):
your Russia policy. And I don't have the confidence that
the people who are in charge right now have the
intellectual firepower, in the historic knowledge to deal with somebody
as intelligent and sophisticated and brutal as Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, brutal, I think is the word that people seem
to forget about this. I think everybody thinks that this
is the modern world where everybody is nice. I mean,
you end up with backpackers who go through Afghanistan because
they want to prove that everybody's friendly, and they're immediately murdered.
You know, this is like people don't understand that there
are brutal dictators out there, and Putin seems to be
(25:47):
connecting himself to most of them. I mean, he's become
friends with President g in China. He is using North
Korean missiles. What is the connection between ron China, North Korea,
and Russia.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, the connection is simple, and that is the hatred
of the United States and the perception that the US
is their top security threat. Since you brought up North Korea,
some of the so called analysts right the talking head
(26:27):
are saying that, oh, Putin now has to rely on
North Korean weapons and on their soldiers. No, Putin is
involving the North Korean soldiers to give them combat experience
for the eventuality that there is, in fact World War
(26:48):
three in which Russia, China, run in North Korea are
going to be on one front and Nata are going
to be on the other. So the Chinese haven't had
combat experience. Neither have the North Koreans Iranians had experience
in irregular warfare because they use proxies, but none of
(27:10):
them have conventional traditional warfare experience, and that's what the
North Koreans are getting. Putin has plenty of his own forces.
He just authorized the enlargement of the Russian forces over
the limit of the maximum allowable limit of He's now
(27:30):
in christed to two million, three hundred and fifty thousand
of them one point five million active duty. For comparison,
the United States has about one and a half million
that includes national reserves, and Putin just authorized a massive
increase in the defense budget. So he's getting ready to
(27:52):
fight a protected, very long war, including World War three,
And all we have to say is, oh, the Russians
don't know how to fight. You know, this military system
is not good. That is not good. He's relying on
like you have to actually use your brain and study
(28:12):
the problem. You can't just like say things. And that's
what it seems like. All the traditional media channels, you know,
unlike your channel and some other you know, new types
of media, all of these people who give you three minutes,
three to five minutes to explain these extremely complex problems.
All they do is buzzwords, right, and they.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Don't want to know. They don't want They also don't
want to go against the administration. They don't want to
admit that. These people, I think that there's this there's
been this discussion for many years of globalism, and globalism
brings peace because everybody relies on one another. We're all
sharing products and we're all sharing trade, and it's wonderful.
It's a glorious utopia. And that's just simply not true.
(28:55):
And if you speak to military experts, they would tell
you every single time, yes, to you, that makes sense
when you are dealing with a homicidal dictator who is,
as you said, brutal. And then I'm talking about them
all together because you're dealing with China, you're dealing with
North Korea. I mean these guys that I had told
these guys their next level, like no one in the
(29:18):
United States even can comprehend what this is. And they
don't care about trade. At the end of the day,
that's not their concern. They will go, they will work
with each other, and they will take everybody else out.
There's just no logic there. I just don't know why
the American people don't see this.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And the logic is to uh, the logic is to
deceive the adversary. They even use trade to invent certain
malicious products and capabilities into our capability military, including military capabilities.
I mean TikTok and all the components on which we
rely electronics, they are all just rigged and rigged with
(30:01):
intelligence collection type of capabilities. Like I personally I used it.
Why was TikTok banned from US government? But unfortunately, like
in our infinite wisdom, we allow platforms like let's say,
the Russian KGB owned Kaspersky for years, Kaspersky anti virus
(30:22):
software was deployed on our federal computer systems. It's not
until President Donald Trump came in and said, boot that
crap partner my French out. But again, the people who
manage us, they're just really low IQ. Like President Trump says,
I'm sorry to say that. I don't know how else
(30:43):
to say it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No, I agree. I mean, these are things we've heard
about for years. We all remember when we said, oh,
we can't have Huawei, but we have all these electronics.
We have these dr I mean our drones that we
use at the border. The drones come from China. It's outrageous.
It's like we've got to have people that are serious
get in there and say national security is number one.
If you don't have national security, you have nothing. And
(31:05):
yet it seems to be lost on so many folks.
But I think it's not necessarily lost. I think you're right.
I think a lot of it is corruption, and we
can talk about it for probably hours more. But I
appreciate you so much coming on, Rebecca Coffler, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Is there any place people can follow you or where
can they get your book?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
My book you can find really anywhere on Amazon or
wherever the books are sold called Putin's Playbook. The update
coming in March, and I am on all social media Twitter,
get our true social YouTube you name it. Rebecca zero
one three to two is my handle.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on today, of course,
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