May 12, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political and cultural flashpoints dominating headlines, with a sharp focus on immigration, refugee policy, and the broader implications of race-based politics. Clay and Buck begin the hour with lighthearted nostalgia about voicemail and Sports Illustrated, before transitioning into a serious discussion about the Trump administration’s decision to resettle 50 white South African refugees in the United States.
The hosts explore the backlash from mainstream media and progressive institutions, including the Episcopal Church’s refusal to assist in the resettlement, framing it as a glaring double standard in U.S. immigration policy. They contrast the outrage over these 50 legal refugees with the lack of scrutiny over the millions of illegal immigrants who crossed the southern border under the Biden administration. Trump’s comments on the racial violence and land seizures in South Africa are highlighted, as well as the broader issue of state-sponsored discrimination and the erosion of safety in the region.
Listeners hear firsthand accounts from callers, including a former South African military veteran and a South Dakota farmer who works with South African laborers. These testimonials underscore the dangers faced by white South Africans and the value they bring to the U.S. as law-abiding, hard-working immigrants. The hosts argue that this refugee policy aligns with the original intent of the U.S. refugee program—offering protection to those facing persecution based on immutable characteristics like race or religion.
The hour also revisits Trump’s executive order to lower prescription drug prices, with a humorous anecdote about a wealthy friend shocked by the price disparity between the U.S. and the U.K. for weight-loss medications like Ozempic. The hosts use this to reinforce Trump’s populist appeal and his focus on economic fairness for everyday Americans.
Wrapping up, Clay and Buck celebrate the stock market’s strong performance, crediting Trump’s economic policies and tariff strategy for the rebound. They tease upcoming interviews and continue to frame the Trump administration’s recent actions as a series of decisive wins on immigration, foreign policy, and healthcare reform.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being here with us. Everybody want to get
to a lot of your talkbacks and calls later on
this hour, so light up those lines as we make
our way through the news of the day and also
the talkbacks. We love your talkbacks. We hear all of them.
We play as many as we can. But go to
the Clay and Buck page on the iHeartRadio app, which
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is also where you can listen to our great podcast network,
and you send us basically a voicemail a little microphone.
That's something that we've lost as well. The whole world
has lost it. The coming home from the office or whatever,
and having you know, you have seven messages. You know,
it's like, so this is a little bit used to
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be super exciting. You still you didn't know it was blinking.
You're like, hey, who was this? And now that never happened.
It was invariably like a bill collector or something, and
you're like, this is sad. You know. Mail, actual physical
mail has just turned into a point of anxiety for me.
With the exception of the babies born, we got a
lot of gifts from so many people, is very calm.
We appreciate that. But the mail that goes into your mailbox,
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it's never good. It's never anything that I want, really,
It's always just garbage. You know, it belongs a La Poubelle.
So I remember, I'm old enough to remember Buck. I
don't know if there was something that would come in
the mail that you were super excited to get back
in the day. For me, Sports Illustrated. I was like,
who was going to be on the coach issue? Which issue? Clay?
(01:28):
The swimsuit issue, of course was a was a was
a hot point in February that out that got banned
at my high school. So did me just a particular
one not allowed to have that? Of course you could
have the one with like Barry bonds on the covered
but right right illustrated yep, the d and they had
to do a special announcement, no maxim, no stuff, no
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Sports Illustrated swimsuit, you know. Addition which a little totalitarian,
I was a little kind of living in North Korea
for a while there, Clay, except it was j It's
instead of the Kim family. I nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties,
pre internet, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue was absolutely iconic.
And I know there's a lot of people out there
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listening right now that remember that very well. You'd be
you were super excited to go down and get it.
But every week leave aside the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
Who was on the cover used to be a monster deal,
one of your favorite players, one of your favorite teams.
You couldn't wait to see, who was going to be
the cover of Sports lit. I don't even know how
many times they publish Sports Illustrated now, you know, I
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looked into trying to buy it when they we kick
the tires on that company and what it was going
to cost. But it's not a very good business right now.
So back to our talkbacks. Sent us the talkbacks on
whatever you want today and the best ones are the
most insightful or funniest. We'll play them for you in
(02:52):
the back of this hour, back in the next hour. Okay,
we talked first hour about this. I think this is
very interesting. First of all, as you know, beginnings of
a try deal framework with China market rallying hostage return
from hamas today. A lot of wins, right, a lot
of wins, but a story that Trump has also put
into the news cycle. Here has to do with the
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resettling of some refugees from South Africa. Now, the administration
had spoken about this before Trump signed an EO on this,
and it's very interesting to see the objections to this.
I want to spend a little time on this, Clay
because I think this is a fascinating issue. And let
me just tell you first off, I think fifty of
them have been are in the process five zero five zero, okay,
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on in the process of being resettled. I think you know,
we've seen that guy tied to MS thirteen. He had
like eight people in the car when the cops pulled
them aside at Brego Garcia, and they were saying that
the police said they believed that he was a human trafficker.
Fifty people is not a lot of people. But the
media is very very if the on this, very concerned
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about this, A lot of questions all of a sudden,
after ten plus million people piled into the country, falsely
claiming by the numbers, go look at the court cases.
Over ninety percent of them not actually worth or you know,
should not get asylum, not actually people deserving of asylum.
Fifty South Africans show up and there's a problem with
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this because they're white, and you say, you sit here,
you go hold on it. So is our policy that
you can't be a white refugee. That certainly would have
been news to a lot of Ashkenazi Jews during the
Second World War, like you can't be a white refugee.
This is Trump speaking about this play twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand
sometime next week. And you know, we're supposed to have
a guess at G twenty meeting there or something. But
we're having a G twenty meeting. I don't know how
we can go unless that situations taken care of. But
it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't
want to write about. But it's a terrible thing that's
taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to
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be white. But whether they're white or black makes no
difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed
and their land is being confiscated in South Africa, and
the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
If it were the other way around, they talk about it,
that would be the only story they talk about I
don't care who they are. I don't care about their race,
their color, I don't care about their height, their weight,
I don't care about anything. I just know that what's
happening is terrible to have people that live in South
Africa they say it's a terrible situation taking place. So
we've essentially extended citizenship to those people.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Play The media has generally written more skeptical and even
critical coverage of fifty white South five zero white South
Africans being resettled in this country under under refugee status.
Then they for four years of Biden with ten plus
million illegals being cartel human trafficked across the border. What
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is going on? I think, I mean, I think we
know what's going on totally. And look this goes into
we talked about what an incredible weekend Trump had in
so many different positive results, and we should mention basically,
the stock market is now back at the price that
it was in January. Stock price is surging today, and
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I hope that a lot of you did not buy
into that fear that they tried to drive Oh the
stock market's going to collapse. The government. You know that
our economy is going to collapse all that stuff. We
told you to stay calm, either buy more if you
had the ability to do it, or at least hold
on to your stocks. I hope you guys did. I
hope you didn't let the panic get to you. But
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the thing that they're not talking about at all, to
your point, Buck, the southern border is one of the
biggest successes that I can remember any president ever saying
I will fix it. We are a lot from politicians
who basically make a living saying I will fix it,
and then they get into office and nothing really changes.
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Can you remember in one hundred days? And it even
took less than one hundred days, It only took thirty.
Can you remember anything that a president has ever fixed
faster than what Trump did at the border? Such that
nobody even talks about it now, it's just now. It
was a huge story. It was a huge concern of
the American people going into this last election, as we know,
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right alongside the economy, it was really one and two
economy one border two, and some polls border could even
outstrip the economy. Depends because the border of the economy
are tied together too. There's a lot of these things
are seen side by side. But remember, it's not just
Clay that he fixed it so quickly. It's that he
came in and fixed it so quickly. And the previous
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occupant of the Oval Office had spent four years, through
his surrogates and through the media telling us it's so hard,
it's so complicated, we can't do anything to fix this,
which was always a lie, because of course they could.
One of the biggest changes isn't just the enforcement mechanisms
at the border. It is that what if we say
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a million times to your Clay, we talked about the border,
It's about the incentives. If you think you can get
in and stay, a lot of people will come. People
now think, hold on a second, do I want to
pay a coyote five, ten, fifteen grand? Do I want
to deal with the cartels and show up in Mexico
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and spend time in an immigration facility in America and
all this stuff? If I don't think I'm gonna get
to stay them, I get sent home. Completely changes the calculation.
But I did want to bring this back Clay to
why is there such I mean, here's the Associated Press
seen a reporting on this. Episcopal Church says it will
not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in
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the US. Fiscal Church's migration service is refusing a direct
from the federal government to help resettle white South African's
granted refugee status, citing the church's long standing commitment to
racial justice and reconciliation. Presiding Bishop Rowe announced that after
forty nine South Africans departed their homeland bound for new
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homes in the US, Episcopal migration ministries will halt its
decades long partnership with the government. But the Episcopal Church
is refusing to help with after forty years of oh yeah,
give it. You know, anybody will help anybody come into
this place and resettle them, they won't help these South
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Africans be resettled. They are subject to state sponsored Now
they see this is why this is so hold on
what's going on in South Africa. You start to look
at this, what's happening in South Africa, Clay South Africa
is actually it has become a sort of final stage,
you know, affirmative action state, if you will, where they
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have of actual hard quotas so that you know, companies
like the board of a company has to be eighty
five percent black, and you know the employees of a
company have to be eighty five whatever I'm making up
the numbers, it's something like that. And the government also
is constantly flirting with more ways to take land from
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white farmers in that country, and this has caused a
tremendous amount of dysfunction. The government is insanely corrupt by
the way. It has economically been reduced to a horrible
rate of growth, and there's a lot of poverty and
crime and all these things. But there is open racial
discrimination by the state. That's what it is. Own. Our
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own Supreme Court said you actually can't do this in
Harvard admissions. Well, you also shouldn't be able to do
this anywhere else. You shouldn't be able to discriminate on
the basis of race. And that's why there's such an
outrage here to bringing fifty five zero white South Africans
into this country under refugee status because they are being
discriminated against. This country is so unsafe that they don't
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make women stop at red lights after dark in many
parts of the country. I mean, think about how unfortunate
that is. Any country where you just say and everybody
just kind of accepts it. Hey, if you're driving at
night and you're a woman, you don't have to stop
at a red light. Is a country that has been
completely taken over by criminal elements, and it's unfortunate that
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that has occurred. And you know, I know when they
had the World Cup, the amount of security that was
required for the teams was off the charts. They basically
put all of the different teams at the World Cup
that South Africa hosted behind prison, you know, walls almost
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in many ways to keep them from being able to
even go out in many parts of the country because
they were so concerned about the safety of the player
from all the different countries. That's a sign obviously that
things have fallen apart. And I think it's gotten worse
there in terms of safety for all people since and
it is unfortunate and the fact that you would make
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that the uh the focal point. Again, the point is
none of the successes get talked about, and anything that
they can put in a negative light becomes a huge
part of the focus. Here here's how this this issue
is covered. For example, the New York Times, I want you,
I'm gonna read this so you know exactly and this
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was let me see, yeah, this is about a year
or two ago. New York Times. Kill the Boar Bore
is a reference to white South Africans. Kill the Boar
song fuels backlash in South Africa and US right when
commenters claim that an all apartheid chant is a call
to anti white violence, but historians and the left wing
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politicians who embrace it say, don't take it literally. They
have songs in stadiums about killing the white people in
their country and they're allowed to chant and sing this,
And The New York Times is like, hold on, everybody,
maybe we just shouldn't take it literally. And given what's
going on in the country, it's not like everyone's getting
along great and the country's functioning really well, and yet
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they will take that position on this. I just think
what you see here is that we have the left
in this country has decided that our immigration policy is
first and foremost about taking people from the impoverished third
world nations that are non white, and that that is
actually the focus of our immigration because otherwise, why fifty
migrants fifty migrants? Is I saw three hundred migrants coming
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into the US at one time across the border. Fifty migrants.
We took ten million illegals in four years. So yeah,
it's kind of amazing what the focal point is. And
that's now been stopped, and so this becomes a story.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck Let's
have some fun here. I don't know if you've heard
Trump earlier. You mentioned the semi glue tides?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did you hear Trump talking before he hopped on the
plane to head to the Middle East. We should mention
our buddy Sean Hannity, who's going to be on after us.
I don't know if he's gonna be on today because
I saw him just post a video saying he's traveling
with Trump to the Middle East. So he just posted
a video that is up from Fox News shared it,
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so I had not heard. But I'm I'm I don't
Maybe he can Maybe he can do that. Sean can
do a lot of things. Maybe he's gonna do the
show live from Air Force one as he flies to
the Middle East. But I imagine he's gonna have some
pretty cool stories and interviews coming. But that's where he
is right now. But Trump told a story talking about
the new drug plan that he has put in place
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about one of his friends who is overweight, who is
upset about how much the fat shot drug cost. Listen
to cut twenty seven buck. I'm told this is fantastic.
I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Friend of mine who's a business man, very very very
top guy. Most of you would have heard of him,
a highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes
the fat the fat shot drug.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And he called me up and he said President. He
used to call me Donald.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Now he calls me President, So that's nice respect. But
it's a rough guy, smart guy, very successful, very rich.
I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but
because he's got comments President, could I ask you a question.
What I'm in London and I just paid for this
damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working,
he said, he said, I just paid eighty eight dollars
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and in New York I paid thirteen hundred dollars.
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and Buck. We're talking to immigration issues today alongside all
the big moves on national security and the economy and
drug prices and so much from just the last forty
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eight hours has come down in this administration. That is newsworthy, important,
big moves being made, lots of progress happening, but all
on this issue. Again, as you can tell, I find
it very interesting as somebody who's followed the immigration issue
as one of the I think most important issues for
the country and something that I am most fascinated by
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for the last decade or so. I mean, I've really
thought this was something that was critical to have a
real understanding of. Clay Stephen Miller makes the case here
for why taking some refugees from South Africa actually fits
the definition of what a refugee is, Unlike what's been
going on a southern border Play thirteen, what's.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of what
refugee program was created. This is persecution based on a
protected characteristic, in this case race. This is race based persecution.
Refugee program is not intended as a solution for global poverty,
and historically it has been used that way. Wherever there's
global poverty or wherever there's dysfunctional governments, then the US
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refugee program in comes in. It swoops people up will
they relocates them to America. And you have multi generational
problems that the given into the second and third generation.
You have endemic poverty, you have prime issues, you have
integration issues. The US refugee program in America has been
a catastrophic failure. I mean, if you look, for example,
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at the Twin Cities area. I mean just in terms
of the markers of educational outcomes, in terms of public safety,
in terms of welfare use.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's been a.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Complete public policy failure. And so this is an example
of the President. We're turning the refugee program to what
it was intended to be used.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
As a refugee program that takes in refugees, as in
people who need refuge in your country because they are
under threat because of who they are. They can't change.
There's nothing they can do. It's either their skin color,
or their religion or their political party. This is what
a refugee program actually is. Claim. And you know we
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have Mark in Charleston, South Carolina, is a former South
African and an immigrant to this country who wants to
weigh in. Mark, thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yes, thank you, thank you for taking the call and
highlighting this very important issue. I'm regarding these guys who
are from South Africa.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What is the situation like? Tell us what you have
experienced and what littlemen know to be true.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I am I am. My dad was an American and
my mom is South African. So I grew up there.
Military there, you know, there we do two years conscription
and then you know, I served the situation in South Africa.
I mean it's a systematic elimination of white people from
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a business front and from a crime front. For instance.
I'll give you a couple of examples. I was in
business there and they instituted a policy called Black Economic Empowerment.
So that meant, if I want to start a business,
I've got a million bucks to put into a business,
I have to take a black partner to access the
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equivalent of the US SBA loan application system. So they
force you to, you know, partner with black people in
that case, and you will only whether that person has
the expertise or not, that doesn't matter. Going further than that,
the farmers had been systematically killed and attacked on their
farms for the last fifteen to twenty years. I think
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the count is over fifty thousand already over the last
twenty years, and the government has done nothing to.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
What can you just give people the background because you know,
we don't, we don't. It's not we don't hear a
lot about South Africa these days in our own media.
Why why is the land the farmer issue? You know,
why are they being targeted? What sort of the backstory
to that.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Okay, So so black people in South Africa value land
probably and cows probably above all else. And bearing in
mind the white population some of it is now down
to about four percent out of sixty six million only,
but the land issue has become a status symbol and
the getting rid of that. You've heard the story you
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were alluding to early killed, the farmer killed the boy
that was those were those were literally chanted, as you said,
at public engagement places, football stadiums. One of this one
of the right, very extreme left wing guys with rather
than with Julius Malemmum, you advocated for killing white You
said it was fun. I mean we we all decided
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to end up partheid, to end it and give everybody
a fair chance, and they systematic turned the whole system
against us. From the business point of view and from
a crime point of view, the fact that you mentioned
people women are not having to stop at traffic lights
at night, that is factual. In fact, we lived like
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in a jail. I mean, you have many layers of security.
Are burglar bars in the windows, armed response to your house?
You kept guns in multiple positions in our I myself
kept guns all over the place, because you never know
when you're going to get a home invasion. It became untenable.
And even after in the military, serving all the time
I did in the military, right back to the time
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when Castro sent twenty thousand troops in Tangola, when we
engaged in Earth, I just couldn't take take it anymore.
It just became the PTSD was just setting in on
the Thomer civilian front, never mind a military front. So
I'm very happy that President Trump allowed these guys to
come in. I wish you allow all the farmers to
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come here, because South Africans of great farmers and they
could do a lot for this country.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
How sorry I was just how difficult was it for
you to come to the United States? What was the
process like?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
WHI very easy? You know, for me, it was very easy.
I was blessed that my dad was was from Texas.
He was a pastor and sent over there to start churches,
et cetera. And you know, I've always had a US citizenship,
so I came over the very often.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You said your mom was South African and you were
raised there, That's right, So you had American citizenship, so
you were able to come here easily.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I was very blessed to have that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And do you think a lot more do you think
a lot more white South Africans will come and want
to come if the door is kept open in this
way for the refugee program by Trump.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Absolutely, and and South Africans have a very good work ethic.
You can find that out in any country that we settled.
We don't do crime. We work, and we worked properly,
and we adhere to the laws of the country. I'm
like these millions of they balking at these millions of people, well,
absolutely slaunting all you laws and the constitution.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean the people coming across our border in
so many cases are not only thank you so by
the way, great perspective. Thank you so much for calling in.
Mark appreciates you. But yeah, people show I mean, Clay
I saw this. They show up at the border. They
have these wristbands on. You can see piles and piles,
and border patrol has all this, you know, photos and
footage of this of the wristbands to show, Oh, I've
paid off the cartel. Don't worry. The cartel's already got
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their human trafficking money from me. Tom Holman talks about
the horrible stuff that goes on at our southern border
too because of the cartels and with like young girls
and women. It's it's it's absolutely horrific and it's systematic,
and that's been you know, the the sex crimes and
against very young girls. The cartels do this and and
there's no you know, no accountability on that side of
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the border, and they're not going to get caught. All
this horrible stuff that's going on, and Biden doesn't do
it's not even didn't left the finger to stop it.
That was the decision they made. That was the price
of doing business for the Biden border policy was all
the horrible stuff and the murderers who came in this
country and all this, but fifty white South Africans who
are like, you know, my country doesn't really want me
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anymore and treats me terribly because of I can't do
anything about it. It's because I am white. I was
born this way. And the media clearly has a problem
with it, and people at the Episcopal Church is a
problem with it. I mean that that was a real, real,
you know shock, And I would just say this though
as a South Florida guy. Now, people who have people
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who have been welcomed lawfully into America by the American community,
who have fled tyranny. In the case South Florida, it's
fled Castro's communism. And you know, people who fled the
Khmer Rouge and Paul Pott and Cambodia, people who I
believe now are going to be fleeing the race based
targeting that goes on in South Africa. They make great
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Americans because they really true of a lot of people
in the former Soviet Union too. They see what can
go wrong in a country that does not have freedom,
that does not treat people equally based on, you know,
the same, irrespective of skin color, irrespective of religion. They
really appreciate this place, and that's what we want from
a refugee program. We don't want people who are like
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I can make more money here and send remittance is
back home and I'm not going to learn the language.
And America owes this to me because this is what
people tell me at the border. That's what we don't want.
By the way, Greg and South Dakota says a lot
of the people farming around him are South African too.
I think he wants to weigh in and tell us
about his story as well. Greg, what have you got
for us? What is your experience.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
With a farm in South Dakota And we hire a
custom harvester out of Minnesota and he brings in every
year eighty to one hundred South Africans on that I
don't is it HG one.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Whatever that or to HB one whatever the yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, Well, anyway, visiting with those guys back in twenty sixteen,
they were they were such pro Trump people when he
got elected, and they told the horror stories about it.
That one guy has had a friend who they went
out to his friend's farm, they took him and his
wife and his two daughters captive. They they cut both
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arms and both legs off of him and what made
him watch him die while they raped his wife and
his daughters. And they talked about these things going on,
horrendous things that you just can't comprehend being here where
we're at. And yet these people I have never come
across people who are so appreciative of what you do
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for them. They're such Christian young men. They can make
more in the United States working here in one month
than they can a full year back in South Africa.
And they send their money back. That's that's what they're
here for. And this morning when I heard President Trump
on the TV at the White House talking about it,
I called two or three of them this morning again
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and visited with them. And they're here right now. And
one guy left his wife and two daughters. This is
the fifth year he's been here. And my son said
to him. Last year, the crew and we always meet
every morning. And when the day was, when the harvest
was over, we said to the one guy that said,
you just you just don't know how much we appreciate
you young men. And they said, I said, to come
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halfway around the world. You don't know what you're coming to.
And the young guy said to us, he goes, sir,
we have to come halfway around the world to be appreciated.
I did not know how to respond to that. I
just yeah, wow, yeah, but it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Was great as well. You know, for those of you
who are are are curious. Uh, there's a there's a documentary.
Now this is about Zimbabwe, not South Africa, but there
was there has been a similar redistribution program of the
land in effect there uh and and a lot of
pressures on it. And it's called Mugabe and the white
(31:01):
African It's a documentary, you know, PBS has it. It
was Clay, it was have you ever seen this. It
was filmed filmed clandestinely, so it's all it's real footage.
And it's a white farmer in Zimbabwe next door under
Mugabe dealing with the land redistribution program, which the world says, oh,
but that's only fair because there's so many more black
people than white people in Zimbabwe, and so yeah, what
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it means is that government thugs show up and like
threaten to kill you and rape your wife unless you
hand over your land. That's actually what it means, and
that's state policy, and that was next Door. It hasn't
gotten you know, it hasn't gotten the attention that you
would think it would. And I think it's because so
many in this country have adopted this narrative that racism
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can't be against white people, and that's really what this
all comes down to, and of course it can. Racism
can be against any person based on their race. And
by the way, I do know the economic result of
that in Zimbabwe was the entire economy in the country
collapsed because some of the most productive parts of Zimbabwe
were agricultural and it probably won't surprise you that when
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the government got involved and took over the land, the
actual success of the farming industry collapsed. So it wasn't
just you were taking the land, it was you were
destroying the jobs created by the land that was helping
to feed the people of Zimbabwe. And what and what
you by the way, Zimbabwe, I mean, Mugabe and the
and the White African is a fantastic documentary and it
(32:28):
did not get as much attention in this country as
it should. By the way, anyone who watches it, it
is very powerful, and it's very well done, and it
is haunting. Uh and you know, I think in the
end he testifies at the Hague. Anyway, I don't I
don't know to give away stuff, but you should watch
it if you want to know kind of what happens
in some of these places where they don't adhere to
(32:48):
the principle that all men are created equal. You can
see exactly what goes on. It is really really good documentary.
So I would just I would recommend that to you.
But Clay, to your point, Zimbabwe was wassid of the
bread basket of Africa and then it turned into a
place with hyperinflation and can't feed itself. And something else
you see in the documentary that you will not hear
talk about in the Western media is the these white
(33:10):
farmers in Zimbabwe, this family that's been there for like
six generations. Okay, it's not like they're you know, they
just showed up yesterday. This this family of farmers, they
have like one hundred black people who live with them,
work with them, they're close with on the successful farm,
who rely on the farm for their families. They're getting
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paid and they're a part of this and it goes well.
And then I guess what happens when the land redistribution happens.
Government thugs show up, they say this is our land.
Now they sell off all the farm equipment, they sell
off everything, They burn the house down, and now no
one has a job and no one has food. And
that is what happened in that country on scale, or
rather in scale en masse. And it's worth it's worth
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. Tons of big news. I
will mention stock market absolutely on fire today. Biggest news
the tariffs back down and an expectation of a more
(35:42):
detailed explanation of exactly what the future will look like.
Thirty percent tariffs is now going to be the case
for the next ninety days. Stock market, the Dow up
over one thousand points, and the S and P five hundred,
which is the index of the five hundred artist companies
in the United States, also surging very close to Buck
(36:05):
being up for the year now, which is a oh wow,
they told you, hey, things are gonna fall apart of
three percent alone today if you happen to buy near
the bottom you have made twenty percent in about a month.
Stock market averaged around the nine percent eight percent return
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SMP five hundred historically, so you have more than doubled
what the stock market would usually do in a year
if you were buying on the dip. Pretty good time.
Did I not say the name of the documentary on air,
because some people are asking me again? You said several times, Yeah,
Magab and the White African. Yeah, go check it out, everybody.
I'm gonna watch it. It sounds super fascinating. Satin, it's really good.
(36:49):
Large would like it too, I mean it's haunting. Yeah,
I need to check it out for sure. When we
come back, Nicole Safire will join us. We'll talk to
her about the president's move on drugs, what she thinks
about that, and more.
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being here with us. Everybody want to get
to a lot of your talkbacks and calls later on
this hour, so light up those lines as we make
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and you send us basically a voicemail a little microphone.
That's something that we've lost as well. The whole world
has lost it. The coming home from the office or whatever,
and having you know, you have seven messages. You know,
it's like, so this is a little bit used to
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be super exciting. You still you didn't know it was blinking.
You're like, hey, who was this? And now that never happened.
It was invariably like a bill collector or something, and
you're like, this is sad. You know. Mail, actual physical
mail has just turned into a point of anxiety for me.
With the exception of the babies born, we got a
lot of gifts from so many people, is very calm.
We appreciate that. But the mail that goes into your mailbox,
(01:05):
it's never good. It's never anything that I want, really,
It's always just garbage. You know, it belongs a La Poubelle.
So I remember, I'm old enough to remember Buck. I
don't know if there was something that would come in
the mail that you were super excited to get back
in the day. For me, Sports Illustrated. I was like,
who was going to be on the coach issue? Which issue? Clay?
(01:28):
The swimsuit issue, of course was a was a was
a hot point in February that out that got banned
at my high school. So did me just a particular
one not allowed to have that? Of course you could
have the one with like Barry bonds on the covered
but right right illustrated yep, the d and they had
to do a special announcement, no maxim, no stuff, no
(01:51):
Sports Illustrated swimsuit, you know. Addition which a little totalitarian,
I was a little kind of living in North Korea
for a while there, Clay, except it was j It's
instead of the Kim family. I nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties,
pre internet, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue was absolutely iconic.
And I know there's a lot of people out there
(02:12):
listening right now that remember that very well. You'd be
you were super excited to go down and get it.
But every week leave aside the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
Who was on the cover used to be a monster deal,
one of your favorite players, one of your favorite teams.
You couldn't wait to see, who was going to be
the cover of Sports lit. I don't even know how
many times they publish Sports Illustrated now, you know, I
(02:32):
looked into trying to buy it when they we kick
the tires on that company and what it was going
to cost. But it's not a very good business right now.
So back to our talkbacks. Sent us the talkbacks on
whatever you want today and the best ones are the
most insightful or funniest. We'll play them for you in
(02:52):
the back of this hour, back in the next hour. Okay,
we talked first hour about this. I think this is
very interesting. First of all, as you know, beginnings of
a try deal framework with China market rallying hostage return
from hamas today. A lot of wins, right, a lot
of wins, but a story that Trump has also put
into the news cycle. Here has to do with the
(03:15):
resettling of some refugees from South Africa. Now, the administration
had spoken about this before Trump signed an EO on this,
and it's very interesting to see the objections to this.
I want to spend a little time on this, Clay
because I think this is a fascinating issue. And let
me just tell you first off, I think fifty of
them have been are in the process five zero five zero, okay,
(03:39):
on in the process of being resettled. I think you know,
we've seen that guy tied to MS thirteen. He had
like eight people in the car when the cops pulled
them aside at Brego Garcia, and they were saying that
the police said they believed that he was a human trafficker.
Fifty people is not a lot of people. But the
media is very very if the on this, very concerned
(04:01):
about this, A lot of questions all of a sudden,
after ten plus million people piled into the country, falsely
claiming by the numbers, go look at the court cases.
Over ninety percent of them not actually worth or you know,
should not get asylum, not actually people deserving of asylum.
Fifty South Africans show up and there's a problem with
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this because they're white, and you say, you sit here,
you go hold on it. So is our policy that
you can't be a white refugee. That certainly would have
been news to a lot of Ashkenazi Jews during the
Second World War, like you can't be a white refugee.
This is Trump speaking about this play twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand
sometime next week. And you know, we're supposed to have
a guess at G twenty meeting there or something. But
we're having a G twenty meeting. I don't know how
we can go unless that situations taken care of. But
it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't
want to write about. But it's a terrible thing that's
taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to
(05:08):
be white. But whether they're white or black makes no
difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed
and their land is being confiscated in South Africa, and
the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
If it were the other way around, they talk about it,
that would be the only story they talk about I
don't care who they are. I don't care about their race,
their color, I don't care about their height, their weight,
I don't care about anything. I just know that what's
happening is terrible to have people that live in South
Africa they say it's a terrible situation taking place. So
we've essentially extended citizenship to those people.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Play The media has generally written more skeptical and even
critical coverage of fifty white South five zero white South
Africans being resettled in this country under under refugee status.
Then they for four years of Biden with ten plus
million illegals being cartel human trafficked across the border. What
(06:06):
is going on? I think, I mean, I think we
know what's going on totally. And look this goes into
we talked about what an incredible weekend Trump had in
so many different positive results, and we should mention basically,
the stock market is now back at the price that
it was in January. Stock price is surging today, and
(06:27):
I hope that a lot of you did not buy
into that fear that they tried to drive Oh the
stock market's going to collapse. The government. You know that
our economy is going to collapse all that stuff. We
told you to stay calm, either buy more if you
had the ability to do it, or at least hold
on to your stocks. I hope you guys did. I
hope you didn't let the panic get to you. But
(06:47):
the thing that they're not talking about at all, to
your point, Buck, the southern border is one of the
biggest successes that I can remember any president ever saying
I will fix it. We are a lot from politicians
who basically make a living saying I will fix it,
and then they get into office and nothing really changes.
(07:09):
Can you remember in one hundred days? And it even
took less than one hundred days, It only took thirty.
Can you remember anything that a president has ever fixed
faster than what Trump did at the border? Such that
nobody even talks about it now, it's just now. It
was a huge story. It was a huge concern of
the American people going into this last election, as we know,
(07:31):
right alongside the economy, it was really one and two
economy one border two, and some polls border could even
outstrip the economy. Depends because the border of the economy
are tied together too. There's a lot of these things
are seen side by side. But remember, it's not just
Clay that he fixed it so quickly. It's that he
came in and fixed it so quickly. And the previous
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occupant of the Oval Office had spent four years, through
his surrogates and through the media telling us it's so hard,
it's so complicated, we can't do anything to fix this,
which was always a lie, because of course they could.
One of the biggest changes isn't just the enforcement mechanisms
at the border. It is that what if we say
(08:12):
a million times to your Clay, we talked about the border,
It's about the incentives. If you think you can get
in and stay, a lot of people will come. People
now think, hold on a second, do I want to
pay a coyote five, ten, fifteen grand? Do I want
to deal with the cartels and show up in Mexico
(08:32):
and spend time in an immigration facility in America and
all this stuff? If I don't think I'm gonna get
to stay them, I get sent home. Completely changes the calculation.
But I did want to bring this back Clay to
why is there such I mean, here's the Associated Press
seen a reporting on this. Episcopal Church says it will
not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in
(08:55):
the US. Fiscal Church's migration service is refusing a direct
from the federal government to help resettle white South African's
granted refugee status, citing the church's long standing commitment to
racial justice and reconciliation. Presiding Bishop Rowe announced that after
forty nine South Africans departed their homeland bound for new
(09:17):
homes in the US, Episcopal migration ministries will halt its
decades long partnership with the government. But the Episcopal Church
is refusing to help with after forty years of oh yeah,
give it. You know, anybody will help anybody come into
this place and resettle them, they won't help these South
(09:38):
Africans be resettled. They are subject to state sponsored Now
they see this is why this is so hold on
what's going on in South Africa. You start to look
at this, what's happening in South Africa, Clay South Africa
is actually it has become a sort of final stage,
you know, affirmative action state, if you will, where they
(09:59):
have of actual hard quotas so that you know, companies
like the board of a company has to be eighty
five percent black, and you know the employees of a
company have to be eighty five whatever I'm making up
the numbers, it's something like that. And the government also
is constantly flirting with more ways to take land from
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white farmers in that country, and this has caused a
tremendous amount of dysfunction. The government is insanely corrupt by
the way. It has economically been reduced to a horrible
rate of growth, and there's a lot of poverty and
crime and all these things. But there is open racial
discrimination by the state. That's what it is. Own. Our
(10:42):
own Supreme Court said you actually can't do this in
Harvard admissions. Well, you also shouldn't be able to do
this anywhere else. You shouldn't be able to discriminate on
the basis of race. And that's why there's such an
outrage here to bringing fifty five zero white South Africans
into this country under refugee status because they are being
discriminated against. This country is so unsafe that they don't
(11:06):
make women stop at red lights after dark in many
parts of the country. I mean, think about how unfortunate
that is. Any country where you just say and everybody
just kind of accepts it. Hey, if you're driving at
night and you're a woman, you don't have to stop
at a red light. Is a country that has been
completely taken over by criminal elements, and it's unfortunate that
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that has occurred. And you know, I know when they
had the World Cup, the amount of security that was
required for the teams was off the charts. They basically
put all of the different teams at the World Cup
that South Africa hosted behind prison, you know, walls almost
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in many ways to keep them from being able to
even go out in many parts of the country because
they were so concerned about the safety of the player
from all the different countries. That's a sign obviously that
things have fallen apart. And I think it's gotten worse
there in terms of safety for all people since and
it is unfortunate and the fact that you would make
(12:17):
that the uh the focal point. Again, the point is
none of the successes get talked about, and anything that
they can put in a negative light becomes a huge
part of the focus. Here here's how this this issue
is covered. For example, the New York Times, I want you,
I'm gonna read this so you know exactly and this
(12:37):
was let me see, yeah, this is about a year
or two ago. New York Times. Kill the Boar Bore
is a reference to white South Africans. Kill the Boar
song fuels backlash in South Africa and US right when
commenters claim that an all apartheid chant is a call
to anti white violence, but historians and the left wing
(12:58):
politicians who embrace it say, don't take it literally. They
have songs in stadiums about killing the white people in
their country and they're allowed to chant and sing this,
And The New York Times is like, hold on, everybody,
maybe we just shouldn't take it literally. And given what's
going on in the country, it's not like everyone's getting
along great and the country's functioning really well, and yet
(13:23):
they will take that position on this. I just think
what you see here is that we have the left
in this country has decided that our immigration policy is
first and foremost about taking people from the impoverished third
world nations that are non white, and that that is
actually the focus of our immigration because otherwise, why fifty
migrants fifty migrants? Is I saw three hundred migrants coming
(13:46):
into the US at one time across the border. Fifty migrants.
We took ten million illegals in four years. So yeah,
it's kind of amazing what the focal point is. And
that's now been stopped, and so this becomes a story.
We'll take some of your calls, by the way, and
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck Let's
have some fun here. I don't know if you've heard
Trump earlier. You mentioned the semi glue tides?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did you hear Trump talking before he hopped on the
plane to head to the Middle East. We should mention
our buddy Sean Hannity, who's going to be on after us.
I don't know if he's gonna be on today because
I saw him just post a video saying he's traveling
with Trump to the Middle East. So he just posted
a video that is up from Fox News shared it,
(16:40):
so I had not heard. But I'm I'm I don't
Maybe he can Maybe he can do that. Sean can
do a lot of things. Maybe he's gonna do the
show live from Air Force one as he flies to
the Middle East. But I imagine he's gonna have some
pretty cool stories and interviews coming. But that's where he
is right now. But Trump told a story talking about
the new drug plan that he has put in place
(17:03):
about one of his friends who is overweight, who is
upset about how much the fat shot drug cost. Listen
to cut twenty seven buck. I'm told this is fantastic.
I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Friend of mine who's a business man, very very very
top guy. Most of you would have heard of him,
a highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes
the fat the fat shot drug.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And he called me up and he said President. He
used to call me Donald.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Now he calls me President, So that's nice respect. But
it's a rough guy, smart guy, very successful, very rich.
I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but
because he's got comments President, could I ask you a question.
What I'm in London and I just paid for this
damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working,
he said, he said, I just paid eighty eight dollars
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and Buck. We're talking to immigration issues today alongside all
the big moves on national security and the economy and
drug prices and so much from just the last forty
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eight hours has come down in this administration. That is newsworthy, important,
big moves being made, lots of progress happening, but all
on this issue. Again, as you can tell, I find
it very interesting as somebody who's followed the immigration issue
as one of the I think most important issues for
the country and something that I am most fascinated by
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for the last decade or so. I mean, I've really
thought this was something that was critical to have a
real understanding of. Clay Stephen Miller makes the case here
for why taking some refugees from South Africa actually fits
the definition of what a refugee is, Unlike what's been
going on a southern border Play thirteen, what's.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of what
refugee program was created. This is persecution based on a
protected characteristic, in this case race. This is race based persecution.
Refugee program is not intended as a solution for global poverty,
and historically it has been used that way. Wherever there's
global poverty or wherever there's dysfunctional governments, then the US
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refugee program in comes in. It swoops people up will
they relocates them to America. And you have multi generational
problems that the given into the second and third generation.
You have endemic poverty, you have prime issues, you have
integration issues. The US refugee program in America has been
a catastrophic failure. I mean, if you look, for example,
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at the Twin Cities area. I mean just in terms
of the markers of educational outcomes, in terms of public safety,
in terms of welfare use.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's been a.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Complete public policy failure. And so this is an example
of the President. We're turning the refugee program to what
it was intended to be used.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
As a refugee program that takes in refugees, as in
people who need refuge in your country because they are
under threat because of who they are. They can't change.
There's nothing they can do. It's either their skin color,
or their religion or their political party. This is what
a refugee program actually is. Claim. And you know we
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have Mark in Charleston, South Carolina, is a former South
African and an immigrant to this country who wants to
weigh in. Mark, thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yes, thank you, thank you for taking the call and
highlighting this very important issue. I'm regarding these guys who
are from South Africa.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What is the situation like? Tell us what you have
experienced and what littlemen know to be true.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I am I am. My dad was an American and
my mom is South African. So I grew up there.
Military there, you know, there we do two years conscription
and then you know, I served the situation in South Africa.
I mean it's a systematic elimination of white people from
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a business front and from a crime front. For instance.
I'll give you a couple of examples. I was in
business there and they instituted a policy called Black Economic Empowerment.
So that meant, if I want to start a business,
I've got a million bucks to put into a business,
I have to take a black partner to access the
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equivalent of the US SBA loan application system. So they
force you to, you know, partner with black people in
that case, and you will only whether that person has
the expertise or not, that doesn't matter. Going further than that,
the farmers had been systematically killed and attacked on their
farms for the last fifteen to twenty years. I think
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the count is over fifty thousand already over the last
twenty years, and the government has done nothing to.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
What can you just give people the background because you know,
we don't, we don't. It's not we don't hear a
lot about South Africa these days in our own media.
Why why is the land the farmer issue? You know,
why are they being targeted? What sort of the backstory
to that.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Okay, So so black people in South Africa value land
probably and cows probably above all else. And bearing in
mind the white population some of it is now down
to about four percent out of sixty six million only,
but the land issue has become a status symbol and
the getting rid of that. You've heard the story you
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were alluding to early killed, the farmer killed the boy
that was those were those were literally chanted, as you said,
at public engagement places, football stadiums. One of this one
of the right, very extreme left wing guys with rather
than with Julius Malemmum, you advocated for killing white You
said it was fun. I mean we we all decided
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to end up partheid, to end it and give everybody
a fair chance, and they systematic turned the whole system
against us. From the business point of view and from
a crime point of view, the fact that you mentioned
people women are not having to stop at traffic lights
at night, that is factual. In fact, we lived like
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in a jail. I mean, you have many layers of security.
Are burglar bars in the windows, armed response to your house?
You kept guns in multiple positions in our I myself
kept guns all over the place, because you never know
when you're going to get a home invasion. It became untenable.
And even after in the military, serving all the time
I did in the military, right back to the time
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when Castro sent twenty thousand troops in Tangola, when we
engaged in Earth, I just couldn't take take it anymore.
It just became the PTSD was just setting in on
the Thomer civilian front, never mind a military front. So
I'm very happy that President Trump allowed these guys to
come in. I wish you allow all the farmers to
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come here, because South Africans of great farmers and they
could do a lot for this country.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
How sorry I was just how difficult was it for
you to come to the United States? What was the
process like?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
WHI very easy? You know, for me, it was very easy.
I was blessed that my dad was was from Texas.
He was a pastor and sent over there to start churches,
et cetera. And you know, I've always had a US citizenship,
so I came over the very often.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You said your mom was South African and you were
raised there, That's right, So you had American citizenship, so
you were able to come here easily.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I was very blessed to have that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And do you think a lot more do you think
a lot more white South Africans will come and want
to come if the door is kept open in this
way for the refugee program by Trump.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Absolutely, and and South Africans have a very good work ethic.
You can find that out in any country that we settled.
We don't do crime. We work, and we worked properly,
and we adhere to the laws of the country. I'm
like these millions of they balking at these millions of people, well,
absolutely slaunting all you laws and the constitution.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean the people coming across our border in
so many cases are not only thank you so by
the way, great perspective. Thank you so much for calling in.
Mark appreciates you. But yeah, people show I mean, Clay
I saw this. They show up at the border. They
have these wristbands on. You can see piles and piles,
and border patrol has all this, you know, photos and
footage of this of the wristbands to show, Oh, I've
paid off the cartel. Don't worry. The cartel's already got
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their human trafficking money from me. Tom Holman talks about
the horrible stuff that goes on at our southern border
too because of the cartels and with like young girls
and women. It's it's it's absolutely horrific and it's systematic,
and that's been you know, the the sex crimes and
against very young girls. The cartels do this and and
there's no you know, no accountability on that side of
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the border, and they're not going to get caught. All
this horrible stuff that's going on, and Biden doesn't do
it's not even didn't left the finger to stop it.
That was the decision they made. That was the price
of doing business for the Biden border policy was all
the horrible stuff and the murderers who came in this
country and all this, but fifty white South Africans who
are like, you know, my country doesn't really want me
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anymore and treats me terribly because of I can't do
anything about it. It's because I am white. I was
born this way. And the media clearly has a problem
with it, and people at the Episcopal Church is a
problem with it. I mean that that was a real, real,
you know shock, And I would just say this though
as a South Florida guy. Now, people who have people
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who have been welcomed lawfully into America by the American community,
who have fled tyranny. In the case South Florida, it's
fled Castro's communism. And you know, people who fled the
Khmer Rouge and Paul Pott and Cambodia, people who I
believe now are going to be fleeing the race based
targeting that goes on in South Africa. They make great
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Americans because they really true of a lot of people
in the former Soviet Union too. They see what can
go wrong in a country that does not have freedom,
that does not treat people equally based on, you know,
the same, irrespective of skin color, irrespective of religion. They
really appreciate this place, and that's what we want from
a refugee program. We don't want people who are like
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I can make more money here and send remittance is
back home and I'm not going to learn the language.
And America owes this to me because this is what
people tell me at the border. That's what we don't want.
By the way, Greg and South Dakota says a lot
of the people farming around him are South African too.
I think he wants to weigh in and tell us
about his story as well. Greg, what have you got
for us? What is your experience.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
With a farm in South Dakota And we hire a
custom harvester out of Minnesota and he brings in every
year eighty to one hundred South Africans on that I
don't is it HG one.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Whatever that or to HB one whatever the yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, Well, anyway, visiting with those guys back in twenty sixteen,
they were they were such pro Trump people when he
got elected, and they told the horror stories about it.
That one guy has had a friend who they went
out to his friend's farm, they took him and his
wife and his two daughters captive. They they cut both
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arms and both legs off of him and what made
him watch him die while they raped his wife and
his daughters. And they talked about these things going on,
horrendous things that you just can't comprehend being here where
we're at. And yet these people I have never come
across people who are so appreciative of what you do
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for them. They're such Christian young men. They can make
more in the United States working here in one month
than they can a full year back in South Africa.
And they send their money back. That's that's what they're
here for. And this morning when I heard President Trump
on the TV at the White House talking about it,
I called two or three of them this morning again
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and visited with them. And they're here right now. And
one guy left his wife and two daughters. This is
the fifth year he's been here. And my son said
to him. Last year, the crew and we always meet
every morning. And when the day was, when the harvest
was over, we said to the one guy that said,
you just you just don't know how much we appreciate
you young men. And they said, I said, to come
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halfway around the world. You don't know what you're coming to.
And the young guy said to us, he goes, sir,
we have to come halfway around the world to be appreciated.
I did not know how to respond to that. I
just yeah, wow, yeah, but it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Was great as well. You know, for those of you
who are are are curious. Uh, there's a there's a documentary.
Now this is about Zimbabwe, not South Africa, but there
was there has been a similar redistribution program of the
land in effect there uh and and a lot of
pressures on it. And it's called Mugabe and the white
(31:01):
African It's a documentary, you know, PBS has it. It
was Clay, it was have you ever seen this. It
was filmed filmed clandestinely, so it's all it's real footage.
And it's a white farmer in Zimbabwe next door under
Mugabe dealing with the land redistribution program, which the world says, oh,
but that's only fair because there's so many more black
people than white people in Zimbabwe, and so yeah, what
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it means is that government thugs show up and like
threaten to kill you and rape your wife unless you
hand over your land. That's actually what it means, and
that's state policy, and that was next Door. It hasn't
gotten you know, it hasn't gotten the attention that you
would think it would. And I think it's because so
many in this country have adopted this narrative that racism
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can't be against white people, and that's really what this
all comes down to, and of course it can. Racism
can be against any person based on their race. And
by the way, I do know the economic result of
that in Zimbabwe was the entire economy in the country
collapsed because some of the most productive parts of Zimbabwe
were agricultural and it probably won't surprise you that when
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the government got involved and took over the land, the
actual success of the farming industry collapsed. So it wasn't
just you were taking the land, it was you were
destroying the jobs created by the land that was helping
to feed the people of Zimbabwe. And what and what
you by the way, Zimbabwe, I mean, Mugabe and the
and the White African is a fantastic documentary and it
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did not get as much attention in this country as
it should. By the way, anyone who watches it, it
is very powerful, and it's very well done, and it
is haunting. Uh and you know, I think in the
end he testifies at the Hague. Anyway, I don't I
don't know to give away stuff, but you should watch
it if you want to know kind of what happens
in some of these places where they don't adhere to
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the principle that all men are created equal. You can
see exactly what goes on. It is really really good documentary.
So I would just I would recommend that to you.
But Clay, to your point, Zimbabwe was wassid of the
bread basket of Africa and then it turned into a
place with hyperinflation and can't feed itself. And something else
you see in the documentary that you will not hear
talk about in the Western media is the these white
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farmers in Zimbabwe, this family that's been there for like
six generations. Okay, it's not like they're you know, they
just showed up yesterday. This this family of farmers, they
have like one hundred black people who live with them,
work with them, they're close with on the successful farm,
who rely on the farm for their families. They're getting
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paid and they're a part of this and it goes well.
And then I guess what happens when the land redistribution happens.
Government thugs show up, they say this is our land.
Now they sell off all the farm equipment, they sell
off everything, They burn the house down, and now no
one has a job and no one has food. And
that is what happened in that country on scale, or
rather in scale en masse. And it's worth it's worth
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. Tons of big news. I
will mention stock market absolutely on fire today. Biggest news
the tariffs back down and an expectation of a more
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detailed explanation of exactly what the future will look like.
Thirty percent tariffs is now going to be the case
for the next ninety days. Stock market, the Dow up
over one thousand points, and the S and P five hundred,
which is the index of the five hundred artist companies
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being up for the year now, which is a oh wow,
they told you, hey, things are gonna fall apart of
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Stock market averaged around the nine percent eight percent return
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if you were buying on the dip. Pretty good time.
Did I not say the name of the documentary on air,
because some people are asking me again? You said several times, Yeah,
Magab and the White African. Yeah, go check it out, everybody.
I'm gonna watch it. It sounds super fascinating. Satin, it's really good.
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Large would like it too, I mean it's haunting. Yeah,
I need to check it out for sure. When we
come back, Nicole Safire will join us. We'll talk to
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