July 1, 2025 • 23 mins
In this 'Ask Us Anything' episode, Mary Katharine and Karol Markowicz cover a number of topics, including their cooking habits and family meals, the importance of aligning political values in relationships, navigating political sensitivities as military families, sharing their college experiences, and and should the Florida State Seminoles move to the SEC? Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - nw episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with
normalist takes, Go with the News gets weird. This week
a special Vacation week edition, Independence Day edition where you
guys get to ask us whatever you want. I am
Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. I'm so excited for this. I
love hearing what our listeners kind of think of us.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, good, bad, and ugly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We were saying this before we started rolling. But there
are a lot of cooking questions. I feel like people
think that we are capable in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That's nice of them.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it is nice of them. Look, I love to cook, actually,
but yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To cook, and I love that that comes across to
be real. So yeah, let's get into it all right,
Mary Catherine, what's the meal most requested in your homes
and what do you enjoy making for with your family
for dinner?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, so I would have to say, and I know
this does not put me solidly in the MAHA coalition,
is it? Oftentimes? Because I have four children, I am
not so much a cook as an improver of frozen food.
Like that's really my I'm like, oh, here's some frozen broccoli.
But I put like a little bit spicy, spicy. But
there is a running list of things that I make
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that every single person in the house eats and enjoys,
because big, that's really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I was trying to think of something like that, and
I don't know that I have one.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know, Yeah, there's only a couple for us. And
one is this like like Middle Eastern chicken shorma that
is chicking thighs in the oven, very simple, really complicated
spice combination, which is, yeah, it's wild that everyone eats it.
Every single kid in the family. Dad likes it. I
(01:48):
like it. So that's one founded on Instagram. Thanks instagramzing uh.
And then we had one the other day that was
egg roll in a bowl, which is just sauteed cabbage,
spices and ground beef sauteed, and you know, he dressed
it up a little bit sure like everyone was eating it,
and I was like, am I hallucinating? You're eating peppers,
(02:11):
cabbages and beef.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Okay, amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, in my family, I would have to parse something
out for someone and it's super annoying.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think the thing I.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Came up with is I make a roast, just a
Korean style roast with like Asian spices, and people in
the family all eat it to varying degrees. My nine
year old is super complicated. We say that he either
is like a ninety dollars dinner dish or like a
ninety cent it's either chicken nuggets or lobster for him,
(02:44):
there's really no in between. What regular people eat is
not adventures to him at all, So he a lot
of the times will have the chicken nuggets or a
corn dog as we the four of us have dinner
without him, We.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Have one of those as well, where she's like either
very you know, she eats what we put in front
of her because it's basically required in our house for
the most part to try, you have to give it
a try. But she's definitely prefers like very bland kid
foods until you put a very expensive steak in front
of her and he's like absolutely same here.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, the nine year old is also all kinds of
wago everything for sure, oysters, but not like grilled.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Chicken because that's crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, Okay, when will you share your pimento cheese recipe?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Oh yeah, I know a lot of people think I'm
gatekeeping on this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeh, gatekeeping.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't mean to gate keep, but it is my
father's family's recipe, so I should technically ask him before
I put it out to everyone. Say a friendzy, you
are gatekeeping. I know, well I have to ask him first,
that's all about. Yeah. I think he would be like, yeah,
that's fine. I just would run it by him, and
I haven't done that. But it is a five generation's
(04:00):
old South Georgia recipe. And here's the thing, it's not
complicated at all. Is that people get a little too
fancy with the pimento cheese and they think they have
to do a lot of things to it. You don't
have to do a lot of things to it. The
main thing that we do is that we grate the
cheese in two different sizes, so it changes the texture texture.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, Yeah, that is my only sce. You send me
that recipe right after this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I will and I will clear it with my dad
and then when I tell you guys, you're going to
be like, that's just very easy. Yep. But it's a
crowd pleaser.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Another food question, Biscuitville versus Bojangles.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, here's the thing. Biscuit Ville if you're not familiar
with it, Carol, which I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it is another.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Regional chain that serves biscuits. I had one. It's like
three and a half blocks from my house growing up,
and I swear that establishment was never open. Now this
is possibly because it was only open for breakfast and
like all the like people who were detective, okay, get up,
want to go eat there, like construction workers would go
have Biscuitville and then be off. But I found that
(05:12):
in my teenager experience, which is mostly what I experienced
around Biscuitvill's, Uh, they weren't open when I needed them
to be open, whereas Bojangles.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, you need a reliable that's like, you know, most
of the game with fast food.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It has to be reliable. You can't like.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Really really really good grits, very good biscuits, solid food.
Just I was never able to land on a biscuit
bill that was there when I needed it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and that's really the most important part. Look switching
from food to politics and dating, at what point in
getting to know someone should politics or general philosophy be
brought up. I know that it wouldn't work to be
with someone that doesn't have matching values, but don't want
to come on too strong right away. I'm just gonna
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say it. You should come on strong right away.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I probably did filter.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't waste your time. It's really
it's not about them. It's not about what they think
of you. It's about what you think of them. And
I think you just get it out really early and
see what happens. You know, I was a conservative in Brooklyn,
and that was an unpopular thing to be, so I
would find a way to bring it up very early
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in conversations with new friends, with anybody, just because I
didn't want to trick anybody into spending time with me.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
And if you don't like that, that's your problem.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I think that's that's probably smart. I'm trying to think.
I grew up in a very liberal town and everyone
knew I was the weirdo, so it just it was
kind of out there. Yeah, there were so few conservatives
that it was like, oh, well, she's the one who
does the weird thing. She's the aberration, right, but and
so everybody kind of knew it going in. However, in
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new situations, I do think it's harder now for people.
So I'm very I'm sympathetic to the idea that you're
kind of dancing around it because I get being delicate.
I've tried to maintain many a friendship with many liberals,
mostly successfully over the years, and it does require a dance.
But those are friendships, right. So in a dating to
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marriage scenario, I think you want to be pretty careful
about what is worth the trade off and what is not.
And you also don't want to get into deep and
then find out some values are not a lot that
will go badly for you. You don't have to be a
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jerk face about it, but you can make clear who
you are, right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I fully agree.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I actually am a friend's daughter is a very traditional girl.
She's in her early twenties and she's looking for someone
to marry, and I said to her, I think you
should put, you know, like looking to be a chad
wife in your bio so that there's there's no mistake,
there's no like, you know, confusion about who you want
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to be and what you want. And if you're not
in the political world, terms like that, you know might
not mean anything to you, but it just it signals
what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I think I was in college and shortly after. I
was always very clear about my faith and that that
was important to me. And honestly, it was a very
good jerk filter for sure, because there are like people
do the calculation and they're like, hmmm, this is not
what I'm looking for, and if it's not what he's
looking for, yeah, move along, yeah, move along. So I do.
(08:40):
I do think that can be helpful for filtering for
who you want.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, this says high ladies love the podcast. My son
just deployed on the USS Jerald for He is twenty
seven years old uh an F eighteen pilot. Wooh, thank
you for his SERVI and awesome. This is his first deployment.
I live in super liberal loud In County, Virginia. I
am super sensitive about politics right now and don't want
to have any political discussions with any lives. What can
(09:10):
I say other than I don't discuss politics because I
can't handle anyone else's opinions right now that are not
pro military, preferably a two to three sentence hack for this. Thanks, yeah,
let me repeat, thanks to your family and him for
his service.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I can understand this being sensitive because you have a
person who's in the line of duty at this moment
and willing to put his life on the line for others.
And so if you're encountering somebody who thinks that that's
NBD or worse, thinks it's bad, that would very quickly
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lead to bad interactions that and lost friendships. I think
I would advise. I mean one of the things that
I do because I live in a very liberal area too,
and I'm happy to have liberal friends, but not all
of them are level right, because sometimes you want to
be shared with other folks. I think you got to
have like your solid group of galfriends, either online or
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in person, who do share those values, who you can
have those conversations with so that you can skip it elsewhere.
But Carol, a nice way to.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
See yeah, you know, I don't know about a nice
way to say it, but I'll just echo what we
said to the dating thing is that you don't want
anti military. You know, people in your life, in your
life while your son is serving, that's you know, crazy.
I look, I have topics that I think are touchy.
If you want to bring down America, I'm just I
(10:43):
can't be friends with you like there are some lines
like if we have differences on tax policy, fine, but
if you're like America shouldn't exist, I mean, we just we.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Can't be friends. So I see that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
In the same place, I don't think you need to
worry about what to say to them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I think you don't need those people.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And if they are anti military, they're ultimately just not
for you. Again, I'm big on cross ideological friendships, but there.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Are lines, and there are.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Some lines that I just don't think we should be
willing to cross.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Also, you could sort of speak the language of if
you if you wanted to head something off at the
pass and you're just like, you know, it may be
somebody who's just like medium live but isn't being careful
about the way they're going to talk about this, and
you can can you use therapy speak on them and
it just be like, you know, I'm really I have
a lot of anxiety about my son's and.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And I'm like turning that around.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I would just like to, you know, chat about
barbecue or football like that's that would be uh, that
would be my take. And if someone's just bent on
discussing possibles, I actually don't love that kind of relationship.
If you're really really dedicated to discussing politics with me
in a casual setting where we're doing other things, that's
(11:57):
actually not a good relationship for me.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And that goes for conservatives too, for like, you know,
I mean, you know, yeah, both ways for sure. But yeah,
I don't think you need to put up with people
who are wishing ill to your child. Really, I think
that's pretty clear. Yeah, will you be going on tour
at some point? Please come to Dallas. I'll just say
(12:24):
that if we are going on tour at some point,
we will be starting with a Dallas Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yes, I'll dare. I'm good with Dallas. I would love
to come to Dallas. But yeah, have you been to Dallas? Yes,
but only only a few times for too short a
period of time, so I don't get to see a
ton of it.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I really like it. I love Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Seeing a Cowboys game as it is an American spectacle.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's right, it's America's team. You could say it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Ka is shaking her head in disgust.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Let's not go too far, but you know it is,
you know, big, and yeah, you know it is. Yeah,
also we have no plans, but also I do love
doing things live and they are so fun audiences, So yeah,
you would certainly considerate.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And we'll wear the Florida and Bojangle shirts in real
life that we have to have in the baby pictures.
All right, MK, we all know you attended the University
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What college university was your second choice? And why?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So fun story. I did not apply anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
What are you serious?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So she's like, I'm either going here or I'm not
going to college.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, actually, it was just that my senior writis extended
to applying to college. And I liked the University of Georgia.
It had a decent journalism school, It had a decent
football team. It had a lot of people, which was
something I was looking for because I felt that at
a small liberal arts school, I was maybe not going
(14:04):
to find my pool that I clicked with. So I
wanted big. I was comfortable with that, and part of
it was economic, which was I knew I was probably
going to end up at a state school. In my family.
I kept my grades up so because knowing that the
my younger brothers were probably not going to get scholarships,
(14:24):
and I was like trying to keep the overhead low
for the whole fame.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So that's so older sibling, a very older sister.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So I was always keeping those grades up. And I
had the goods to get into UGA, and I didn't
have a lot of money to be applying a bunch
of places that I wasn't going to end up being
able to go. So there was part of me that,
for pride's sake, wanted to be like I got into Georgetown,
I got into Duke or whatever, right, right, it was
(14:54):
sixty to seventy five bucks a location.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, I was feeling this to somebody recently.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I'm like, you know how you kids applying to like
fifty schools like I applied.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
To four and that was extensive.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It was like a lot of money to do that,
and so yeah, I was I wasn't looking to spend
all that cash on applying to schools.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's crazy. Same And so, yeah, did I lose out
on some of those bragging rights, Yes, I did, uh,
And I made the best decision, one of the best
decisions of my life, which was good to go to Uga.
They gave me some scholarships, which was great. I graduated
with no debt. Did not realize that that basically made
me a twenty two year old millionaire compared to my peers. Right,
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and I had a fantastic time, so there really wasn't
a second choice. I did get homesick at one point
in my first semester at school because everybody was like,
aren't you scared to go somewhere where you don't have
any friends. I was like, nah, because I don't think
about you before they.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Had there, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And then I got there and I was like.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh, I don't have any friends.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So I did apply for transfer to UNC at one
point I did not take it, and I'm very glad
that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Wow, imagine if you went to UNC. I just can't
picture it.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Can I?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So it was Georgia all the way.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, that first semester at school is very, very tough
on folks, and I didn't find my people until second semester.
I played lacrosse with them. Second semester I landed on
that club team and found all my people and loved
my life there. But man, that first semester was tough.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, definitely. I had a kind of a.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Flip side of that, where my best friend and my
high school boyfriend both came to college with me. Basically,
my best friend went to another school in Boston and
my high school boyfriend went to school with me. That
also wasn't great because I didn't meet a lot of
people and I didn't try at all. And then the
(16:51):
next year, when both the boyfriend and the best friend
decided not to come back to Boston, I was all
by myself in my sophomore year, where everybody already had.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Solidified boats of friends.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It was tough.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's the hard way to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I you know, I feel like I didn't have
any advice on how this is supposed to go and
when you're supposed to be friends and I don't know,
I say, I always say immigrant parents, they really did
not know what they were sending me into.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We just throw you into the team. Good luck, right, Yeah, No,
I found the one The one thing that I did
benefit from is that because I had no friends first
semester and I was trying to keep my grades up,
I had a very early morning job. I delivered papers,
so I would get up at three thirty or four
every morning, seven days a week, and deliver papers, and
(17:41):
as a result, my grades did stay up. And the
other thing I did was work out, and so I
came home a lot different than my peers.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, that was another way that that first semester was
definitely tough, that freshman fifteen.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, I went to the other direct because I just
went to the gym for like several hours a day.
Smart which is its own kind of issue. But yeah,
that worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Somebody else asks while at UGA, did you take classes
with Fink?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I did, and what's your best think story?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Fink is a Conrad Fink was his name, and
he was a professor at the University of Georgia of
newspaper journalism, and he was at one point the head
guy at UPI, which was the main competitor to the AP.
So the Associated Press is like the go to wire now,
but for a long time UPI was the I think
(18:38):
it's United Press International was the competitor to AP. So
they were almost of equal, you know, size and scope
back in the day. So he ran one of those,
and he was a I believe a Vietnam be crusty
old marine guy turned newspaper editor. I would say, like
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kind of.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I love people like that. By the way, those are
white people.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Fantastic like had no would take no guff off of anyone,
had no hair on his head and eyebrows out to
like four inches from his face. Guy. I think he
passed away several years ago. We stayed in touch. He
passed away several years ago, and I had emailed him
in between a little bit here and there. I don't
(19:28):
know how he would have done in the current era
of college students because he was a state talker. Yeah,
and he was a He was certainly a left of
center guy, but he was such a nineteen eighty five
to nineteen ninety five left of center guy that his
way of feeling in the world would not have been
(19:48):
welcomed by many. Gen Z and gen Z in particular.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Sounds like that, right, But I loved him.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He actually recommended me for a job that I didn't
get one time, but it was very kind of him
to think of me. By the way, this is a
very sliding doors moment. He recommended me for the Augusta,
Georgia newspaper's op ed page as an assistant editor. But
I was like twenty four years old. Yeah, I probably
wasn't really qualified for this, but the op ed page
(20:21):
was the editorial page was conservative, and there were so
few of those, and there were so few of me
in the news business that.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
He was, Oh, you're not the natural fit, right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He was like, Hey, this is Conrad. Do you think
you want to try this out? And so I went
and interviewed and it went pretty well, but I think
I was just too for what they were looking for.
Didn't get that job, ended up coming to DC. So
the rest is history. But I always appreciated him thinking
of me and knowing this could be a fit, and
that he wasn't condescending or a jerk about my politics.
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He just knew that I thought differently.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Love it all right, We're gonna wrap it up with
one last question about college related stuff, and I'm gonna
punt this to you because I really don't know what
this means. Does Florida State belong in the SEC? What's
funny is when I read it, I was like, are
they challenging whether Florida State is in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And then I googled it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, I are really nice.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Be nice, it's my Florida. Whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
This is one of those things I have to be
nice because two of my really good friends went to
Florida State, including Shannon Bram is a nult, so I
have to be kind about it. One I will. I'll
give a disappointing answer, which is that the ever changing
tides of who belongs to what conference is a sports
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story that does not interest me in the least. I
get overwhelmed by it because I'm trying to keep track
of Big Ten, which is now Big seventeen, and everybody's alliant.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm just gonna nod, like I know what I'm taught,
like like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I don't. Here's here's where Florida State lost me. And
this is an this is an action it was taken
against the University of Georgia Bulldogs, is that they basically
checked out of the postseason game when they had a
perfect season and they didn't get awarded a birth to
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the playoffs. And you're nodding still.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, nodding and like drifting off. This is college football, right.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
They basically were like, you know what, I'm not even
going to tell this story because I don't know I'm
getting the details right and it's boring you anyway. But
they basically said, like, eh, not interested in this postseason
game because we're too good for this. Wow, and a
lot of people didn't play and blah blah blah. Anyway,
you lost me there, like it's a it's a moment
where you just have to rally.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Sure, Yeah, I I you know, I'm going to just
say I agree they should have rallied.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That season was twenty twenty three. It was the undefeated
season by the way, amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, we're going to be back with the next episode
will also be some ask.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Us Anything questions and we're going.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
To get into some more political topics next time. But
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Carol Markowitz. I'm so excited for this. I
love hearing what our listeners kind of think of us.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, good, bad, and ugly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We were saying this before we started rolling. But there
are a lot of cooking questions. I feel like people
think that we are capable in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That's nice of them.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it is nice of them. Look, I love to cook, actually,
but yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To cook, and I love that that comes across to
be real. So yeah, let's get into it all right,
Mary Catherine, what's the meal most requested in your homes
and what do you enjoy making for with your family
for dinner?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, so I would have to say, and I know
this does not put me solidly in the MAHA coalition,
is it? Oftentimes? Because I have four children, I am
not so much a cook as an improver of frozen food.
Like that's really my I'm like, oh, here's some frozen broccoli.
But I put like a little bit spicy, spicy. But
there is a running list of things that I make
(01:18):
that every single person in the house eats and enjoys,
because big, that's really bad.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I was trying to think of something like that, and
I don't know that I have one.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know, Yeah, there's only a couple for us. And
one is this like like Middle Eastern chicken shorma that
is chicking thighs in the oven, very simple, really complicated
spice combination, which is, yeah, it's wild that everyone eats it.
Every single kid in the family. Dad likes it. I
(01:48):
like it. So that's one founded on Instagram. Thanks instagramzing uh.
And then we had one the other day that was
egg roll in a bowl, which is just sauteed cabbage,
spices and ground beef sauteed, and you know, he dressed
it up a little bit sure like everyone was eating it,
and I was like, am I hallucinating? You're eating peppers,
(02:11):
cabbages and beef.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Okay, amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, in my family, I would have to parse something
out for someone and it's super annoying.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think the thing I.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Came up with is I make a roast, just a
Korean style roast with like Asian spices, and people in
the family all eat it to varying degrees. My nine
year old is super complicated. We say that he either
is like a ninety dollars dinner dish or like a
ninety cent it's either chicken nuggets or lobster for him,
(02:44):
there's really no in between. What regular people eat is
not adventures to him at all, So he a lot
of the times will have the chicken nuggets or a
corn dog as we the four of us have dinner
without him, We.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Have one of those as well, where she's like either
very you know, she eats what we put in front
of her because it's basically required in our house for
the most part to try, you have to give it
a try. But she's definitely prefers like very bland kid
foods until you put a very expensive steak in front
of her and he's like absolutely same here.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, the nine year old is also all kinds of
wago everything for sure, oysters, but not like grilled.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Chicken because that's crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, Okay, when will you share your pimento cheese recipe?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Oh yeah, I know a lot of people think I'm
gatekeeping on this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeh, gatekeeping.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't mean to gate keep, but it is my
father's family's recipe, so I should technically ask him before
I put it out to everyone. Say a friendzy, you
are gatekeeping. I know, well I have to ask him first,
that's all about. Yeah. I think he would be like, yeah,
that's fine. I just would run it by him, and
I haven't done that. But it is a five generation's
(04:00):
old South Georgia recipe. And here's the thing, it's not
complicated at all. Is that people get a little too
fancy with the pimento cheese and they think they have
to do a lot of things to it. You don't
have to do a lot of things to it. The
main thing that we do is that we grate the
cheese in two different sizes, so it changes the texture texture.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, Yeah, that is my only sce. You send me
that recipe right after this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I will and I will clear it with my dad
and then when I tell you guys, you're going to
be like, that's just very easy. Yep. But it's a
crowd pleaser.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Another food question, Biscuitville versus Bojangles.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, here's the thing. Biscuit Ville if you're not familiar
with it, Carol, which I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it is another.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Regional chain that serves biscuits. I had one. It's like
three and a half blocks from my house growing up,
and I swear that establishment was never open. Now this
is possibly because it was only open for breakfast and
like all the like people who were detective, okay, get up,
want to go eat there, like construction workers would go
have Biscuitville and then be off. But I found that
(05:12):
in my teenager experience, which is mostly what I experienced
around Biscuitvill's, Uh, they weren't open when I needed them
to be open, whereas Bojangles.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, you need a reliable that's like, you know, most
of the game with fast food.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It has to be reliable. You can't like.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Really really really good grits, very good biscuits, solid food.
Just I was never able to land on a biscuit
bill that was there when I needed it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and that's really the most important part. Look switching
from food to politics and dating, at what point in
getting to know someone should politics or general philosophy be
brought up. I know that it wouldn't work to be
with someone that doesn't have matching values, but don't want
to come on too strong right away. I'm just gonna
(05:57):
say it. You should come on strong right away.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I probably did filter.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't waste your time. It's really
it's not about them. It's not about what they think
of you. It's about what you think of them. And
I think you just get it out really early and
see what happens. You know, I was a conservative in Brooklyn,
and that was an unpopular thing to be, so I
would find a way to bring it up very early
(06:24):
in conversations with new friends, with anybody, just because I
didn't want to trick anybody into spending time with me.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
And if you don't like that, that's your problem.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I think that's that's probably smart. I'm trying to think.
I grew up in a very liberal town and everyone
knew I was the weirdo, so it just it was
kind of out there. Yeah, there were so few conservatives
that it was like, oh, well, she's the one who
does the weird thing. She's the aberration, right, but and
so everybody kind of knew it going in. However, in
(06:55):
new situations, I do think it's harder now for people.
So I'm very I'm sympathetic to the idea that you're
kind of dancing around it because I get being delicate.
I've tried to maintain many a friendship with many liberals,
mostly successfully over the years, and it does require a dance.
But those are friendships, right. So in a dating to
(07:18):
marriage scenario, I think you want to be pretty careful
about what is worth the trade off and what is not.
And you also don't want to get into deep and
then find out some values are not a lot that
will go badly for you. You don't have to be a
(07:38):
jerk face about it, but you can make clear who
you are, right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I fully agree.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I actually am a friend's daughter is a very traditional girl.
She's in her early twenties and she's looking for someone
to marry, and I said to her, I think you
should put, you know, like looking to be a chad
wife in your bio so that there's there's no mistake,
there's no like, you know, confusion about who you want
(08:04):
to be and what you want. And if you're not
in the political world, terms like that, you know might
not mean anything to you, but it just it signals
what you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I think I was in college and shortly after. I
was always very clear about my faith and that that
was important to me. And honestly, it was a very
good jerk filter for sure, because there are like people
do the calculation and they're like, hmmm, this is not
what I'm looking for, and if it's not what he's
looking for, yeah, move along, yeah, move along. So I do.
(08:40):
I do think that can be helpful for filtering for
who you want.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, this says high ladies love the podcast. My son
just deployed on the USS Jerald for He is twenty
seven years old uh an F eighteen pilot. Wooh, thank
you for his SERVI and awesome. This is his first deployment.
I live in super liberal loud In County, Virginia. I
am super sensitive about politics right now and don't want
to have any political discussions with any lives. What can
(09:10):
I say other than I don't discuss politics because I
can't handle anyone else's opinions right now that are not
pro military, preferably a two to three sentence hack for this. Thanks, yeah,
let me repeat, thanks to your family and him for
his service.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I can understand this being sensitive because you have a
person who's in the line of duty at this moment
and willing to put his life on the line for others.
And so if you're encountering somebody who thinks that that's
NBD or worse, thinks it's bad, that would very quickly
(09:48):
lead to bad interactions that and lost friendships. I think
I would advise. I mean one of the things that
I do because I live in a very liberal area too,
and I'm happy to have liberal friends, but not all
of them are level right, because sometimes you want to
be shared with other folks. I think you got to
have like your solid group of galfriends, either online or
(10:12):
in person, who do share those values, who you can
have those conversations with so that you can skip it elsewhere.
But Carol, a nice way to.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
See yeah, you know, I don't know about a nice
way to say it, but I'll just echo what we
said to the dating thing is that you don't want
anti military. You know, people in your life, in your
life while your son is serving, that's you know, crazy.
I look, I have topics that I think are touchy.
If you want to bring down America, I'm just I
(10:43):
can't be friends with you like there are some lines
like if we have differences on tax policy, fine, but
if you're like America shouldn't exist, I mean, we just we.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Can't be friends. So I see that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
In the same place, I don't think you need to
worry about what to say to them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I think you don't need those people.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And if they are anti military, they're ultimately just not
for you. Again, I'm big on cross ideological friendships, but there.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Are lines, and there are.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Some lines that I just don't think we should be
willing to cross.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Also, you could sort of speak the language of if
you if you wanted to head something off at the
pass and you're just like, you know, it may be
somebody who's just like medium live but isn't being careful
about the way they're going to talk about this, and
you can can you use therapy speak on them and
it just be like, you know, I'm really I have
a lot of anxiety about my son's and.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And I'm like turning that around.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I would just like to, you know, chat about
barbecue or football like that's that would be uh, that
would be my take. And if someone's just bent on
discussing possibles, I actually don't love that kind of relationship.
If you're really really dedicated to discussing politics with me
in a casual setting where we're doing other things, that's
(11:57):
actually not a good relationship for me.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And that goes for conservatives too, for like, you know,
I mean, you know, yeah, both ways for sure. But yeah,
I don't think you need to put up with people
who are wishing ill to your child. Really, I think
that's pretty clear. Yeah, will you be going on tour
at some point? Please come to Dallas. I'll just say
(12:24):
that if we are going on tour at some point,
we will be starting with a Dallas Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yes, I'll dare. I'm good with Dallas. I would love
to come to Dallas. But yeah, have you been to Dallas? Yes,
but only only a few times for too short a
period of time, so I don't get to see a
ton of it.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I really like it. I love Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Seeing a Cowboys game as it is an American spectacle.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's right, it's America's team. You could say it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Ka is shaking her head in disgust.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Let's not go too far, but you know it is,
you know, big, and yeah, you know it is. Yeah,
also we have no plans, but also I do love
doing things live and they are so fun audiences, So yeah,
you would certainly considerate.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And we'll wear the Florida and Bojangle shirts in real
life that we have to have in the baby pictures.
All right, MK, we all know you attended the University
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What college university was your second choice? And why?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So fun story. I did not apply anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
What are you serious?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So she's like, I'm either going here or I'm not
going to college.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, actually, it was just that my senior writis extended
to applying to college. And I liked the University of Georgia.
It had a decent journalism school, It had a decent
football team. It had a lot of people, which was
something I was looking for because I felt that at
a small liberal arts school, I was maybe not going
(14:04):
to find my pool that I clicked with. So I
wanted big. I was comfortable with that, and part of
it was economic, which was I knew I was probably
going to end up at a state school. In my family.
I kept my grades up so because knowing that the
my younger brothers were probably not going to get scholarships,
(14:24):
and I was like trying to keep the overhead low
for the whole fame.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So that's so older sibling, a very older sister.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So I was always keeping those grades up. And I
had the goods to get into UGA, and I didn't
have a lot of money to be applying a bunch
of places that I wasn't going to end up being
able to go. So there was part of me that,
for pride's sake, wanted to be like I got into Georgetown,
I got into Duke or whatever, right, right, it was
(14:54):
sixty to seventy five bucks a location.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, I was feeling this to somebody recently.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I'm like, you know how you kids applying to like
fifty schools like I applied.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
To four and that was extensive.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It was like a lot of money to do that,
and so yeah, I was I wasn't looking to spend
all that cash on applying to schools.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's crazy. Same And so, yeah, did I lose out
on some of those bragging rights, Yes, I did, uh,
And I made the best decision, one of the best
decisions of my life, which was good to go to Uga.
They gave me some scholarships, which was great. I graduated
with no debt. Did not realize that that basically made
me a twenty two year old millionaire compared to my peers. Right,
(15:34):
and I had a fantastic time, so there really wasn't
a second choice. I did get homesick at one point
in my first semester at school because everybody was like,
aren't you scared to go somewhere where you don't have
any friends. I was like, nah, because I don't think
about you before they.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Had there, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And then I got there and I was like.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh, I don't have any friends.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So I did apply for transfer to UNC at one
point I did not take it, and I'm very glad
that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Wow, imagine if you went to UNC. I just can't
picture it.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Can I?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So it was Georgia all the way.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, that first semester at school is very, very tough
on folks, and I didn't find my people until second semester.
I played lacrosse with them. Second semester I landed on
that club team and found all my people and loved
my life there. But man, that first semester was tough.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, definitely. I had a kind of a.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Flip side of that, where my best friend and my
high school boyfriend both came to college with me. Basically,
my best friend went to another school in Boston and
my high school boyfriend went to school with me. That
also wasn't great because I didn't meet a lot of
people and I didn't try at all. And then the
(16:51):
next year, when both the boyfriend and the best friend
decided not to come back to Boston, I was all
by myself in my sophomore year, where everybody already had.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Solidified boats of friends.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It was tough.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's the hard way to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I you know, I feel like I didn't have
any advice on how this is supposed to go and
when you're supposed to be friends and I don't know,
I say, I always say immigrant parents, they really did
not know what they were sending me into.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We just throw you into the team. Good luck, right, Yeah, No,
I found the one The one thing that I did
benefit from is that because I had no friends first
semester and I was trying to keep my grades up,
I had a very early morning job. I delivered papers,
so I would get up at three thirty or four
every morning, seven days a week, and deliver papers, and
(17:41):
as a result, my grades did stay up. And the
other thing I did was work out, and so I
came home a lot different than my peers.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, that was another way that that first semester was
definitely tough, that freshman fifteen.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, I went to the other direct because I just
went to the gym for like several hours a day.
Smart which is its own kind of issue. But yeah,
that worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Somebody else asks while at UGA, did you take classes
with Fink?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I did, and what's your best think story?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So Fink is a Conrad Fink was his name, and
he was a professor at the University of Georgia of
newspaper journalism, and he was at one point the head
guy at UPI, which was the main competitor to the AP.
So the Associated Press is like the go to wire now,
but for a long time UPI was the I think
(18:38):
it's United Press International was the competitor to AP. So
they were almost of equal, you know, size and scope
back in the day. So he ran one of those,
and he was a I believe a Vietnam be crusty
old marine guy turned newspaper editor. I would say, like
(19:01):
kind of.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I love people like that. By the way, those are
white people.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Fantastic like had no would take no guff off of anyone,
had no hair on his head and eyebrows out to
like four inches from his face. Guy. I think he
passed away several years ago. We stayed in touch. He
passed away several years ago, and I had emailed him
in between a little bit here and there. I don't
(19:28):
know how he would have done in the current era
of college students because he was a state talker. Yeah,
and he was a He was certainly a left of
center guy, but he was such a nineteen eighty five
to nineteen ninety five left of center guy that his
way of feeling in the world would not have been
(19:48):
welcomed by many. Gen Z and gen Z in particular.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Sounds like that, right, But I loved him.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He actually recommended me for a job that I didn't
get one time, but it was very kind of him
to think of me. By the way, this is a
very sliding doors moment. He recommended me for the Augusta,
Georgia newspaper's op ed page as an assistant editor. But
I was like twenty four years old. Yeah, I probably
wasn't really qualified for this, but the op ed page
(20:21):
was the editorial page was conservative, and there were so
few of those, and there were so few of me
in the news business that.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
He was, Oh, you're not the natural fit, right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He was like, Hey, this is Conrad. Do you think
you want to try this out? And so I went
and interviewed and it went pretty well, but I think
I was just too for what they were looking for.
Didn't get that job, ended up coming to DC. So
the rest is history. But I always appreciated him thinking
of me and knowing this could be a fit, and
that he wasn't condescending or a jerk about my politics.
(20:52):
He just knew that I thought differently.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Love it all right, We're gonna wrap it up with
one last question about college related stuff, and I'm gonna
punt this to you because I really don't know what
this means. Does Florida State belong in the SEC? What's
funny is when I read it, I was like, are
they challenging whether Florida State is in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And then I googled it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, I are really nice.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Be nice, it's my Florida. Whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
This is one of those things I have to be
nice because two of my really good friends went to
Florida State, including Shannon Bram is a nult, so I
have to be kind about it. One I will. I'll
give a disappointing answer, which is that the ever changing
tides of who belongs to what conference is a sports
(21:43):
story that does not interest me in the least. I
get overwhelmed by it because I'm trying to keep track
of Big Ten, which is now Big seventeen, and everybody's alliant.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm just gonna nod, like I know what I'm taught,
like like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I don't. Here's here's where Florida State lost me. And
this is an this is an action it was taken
against the University of Georgia Bulldogs, is that they basically
checked out of the postseason game when they had a
perfect season and they didn't get awarded a birth to
(22:20):
the playoffs. And you're nodding still.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, nodding and like drifting off. This is college football, right.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
They basically were like, you know what, I'm not even
going to tell this story because I don't know I'm
getting the details right and it's boring you anyway. But
they basically said, like, eh, not interested in this postseason
game because we're too good for this. Wow, and a
lot of people didn't play and blah blah blah. Anyway,
you lost me there, like it's a it's a moment
where you just have to rally.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Sure, Yeah, I I you know, I'm going to just
say I agree they should have rallied.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That season was twenty twenty three. It was the undefeated
season by the way, amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, we're going to be back with the next episode
will also be some ask.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Us Anything questions and we're going.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
To get into some more political topics next time. But
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