July 1, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic and in-depth discussion on the latest political developments, with a strong focus on President Donald Trump’s leadership, legislative progress, and the future of American governance. The hour opens with analysis of the Senate’s passage of the “big, beautiful bill,” a major piece of legislation expected to stimulate economic growth, provide tax certainty, and enhance border security. The hosts emphasize the bill’s imperfections but argue its net benefits outweigh its flaws, especially in the context of a government that often lacks the political will to reduce spending. A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the unsustainable trajectory of federal spending, with references to past efforts by figures like Ross Perot, Senator Ron Johnson, and Senator Rand Paul. The hosts critique both parties for failing to curb entitlement growth and highlight how slowing the rate of spending increases is misleadingly labeled as “cuts.” They also explore how artificial intelligence and productivity gains could potentially offset fiscal challenges, offering a rare optimistic note on economic innovation. The conversation then pivots to a potentially transformative policy proposal: excluding illegal immigrants from congressional apportionment counts. The hosts argue that counting non-citizens in the census unfairly benefits Democrats in House seat distribution and advocate for a new census to correct what they see as a structural imbalance. They suggest this change could significantly alter the 2028 electoral map and reduce Democratic control in key districts. President Trump’s stance on this issue is spotlighted, with the hosts praising his leadership and vision. They also discuss Trump’s growing popularity within the Republican base, citing polling data that shows his approval surpassing even Ronald Reagan’s at a similar point in his presidency. The segment includes commentary on Trump’s resilience following an assassination attempt and his renewed alliance with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, signaling unity within the GOP. The hour concludes with a critique of left-wing housing policies, particularly those proposed by New York City Council candidate Zohran Mamdani. The hosts warn against the dangers of communal housing and government overreach, tying it back to broader concerns about socialism and economic freedom. Listeners are encouraged to stay engaged as the show continues to unpack the implications of these developments heading into the Independence Day holiday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. The Senate
has passed the big beautiful bill that happened right at
the start of the first hour of today's program that
will now go back to the House. End result is
going to be passage. Seems to be I would say
general happiness over this passing, but also a I don't
(00:54):
know that I've picked up on this before, a demand
for perfection in bill's the likes of which I have
not seen in the past. All bills passed by Congress
are imperfect. Many of them are unfortunately awful, which is
why in many ways I would just like less government.
(01:15):
I think most of you out there would like less government,
just get out of the way and let individual excellence triumph,
which is how you get the economy growing. But this bill,
I think will aid substantially in getting the economy growing.
It will provide certainty on tax rates, It will further
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shut down the southern border. It is imperfect, as all
acts of Congress are, but I believe the net benefits
are very much in a positive direction. Now, for those
of you out there that are concerned about government spending,
you're right, the government spending is out of control. There
is not, however, the political will to address government spending,
(02:02):
either on the Democrat or the Republican side. It doesn't
exist if you argue for it. In cutting government spending,
cutting entitlements, all these things, you don't get elected. And
to Buck's point, eventually communists take power, and they spend
more money, and they tax you at a higher rate.
So I don't know who the great communicator is going
(02:26):
to be that can actually sit down. I feel like
in many ways back in the day, some of you
will remember this Ross Perrot used to just buy commercial
time in nineteen ninety two, and.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He had his electern can't finish.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He had his lectern and he had his pointer, and
he would stand there and just make the case as
a executive would, about how government spending was out of control.
I think Ron Johnson is right on this. I think
Grand Paul is right on this. We have allowed embedded
spending excess to be continued from COVID. I agree with
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all of it. The political will to address it isn't there.
And Democrats this is where they win a lot of
these arguments because they have established the definition of a
cut is actually slowing the rate of growth. I've never
heard of this being applied anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is really this was true of Republicans in the
Tea Party era trying with with there was that there
was a huge fight, and it was about slowing the
rate of the increase of spending. It was about spending
less of a of a you know, bringing the trajectory
of increase spending down just a little bit and a
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decrease in the a decrease in the increase. Yes, and
this was a huge political fight back in the Tea
Party days a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, I don't want to be I don't want
to be uh, dismissive or cynical about it. But usually
when I say that, it's because I'm about to be.
We just haven't suffered enough. People haven't spent enough. They
haven't seen enough of their grandchildren not living up to
the you know, the quality of life that they themselves had.
Or we haven't seen enough money going to paying interest
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and having that crowd out private spending. We haven't seen
enough of the tax raises that eventually are going to
be a part of trying to stabilize this.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Like you know, that's or or or happiness, because.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We're going into a holiday weekend and I already have
holiday brain going on here a little.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Bit or clay.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We find ways that AI and productivity and growth are
so profound that it's it's a something of a fiscal miracle, right,
I mean, we become so productive and so efficient as
an economy that we're able to grow our way, if
not out of it, grow our way to continued stability
with it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's a possibility as well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't think that that's there are people believe that
AI is going to be more transformational than even the
Internet has been fixed with that for a second, so
no one really knows what that means in terms of
how much wealth. You know, people think of wealth as
zero sum, and it's not. Now I'm barring from Naval
ravakand he's a very smart guy. Status is zero sum.
(05:10):
Wealth can actually be something that is real and that
is broadly shared. We are all a lot richer than
the richest people were in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Why is that right?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The world has gotten a lot wealthier, not just individuals.
Status is a different thing. That's zero sum. So I
just don't know if we've reached the point. I don't
think we have reached the point of the country where
we want to tackle the problem. Maybe we want to
see if we can grow our way out of it,
and that's where we are. So any noise to the
contrary right now is unfortunately just that noise.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think the argument that might cut through from a
communication perspective is if you put on ten pounds of
weight every year and then suddenly you only put on three,
you're getting fat slower, but you're still getting fatter. And
the whole idea that slowing the rate of an increase
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or slowing the rate of growth as a cut is
one of the most pernicious. I think realities that has
been allowed to exist in the way we even have conversation.
This is where the left does a better job with language,
because defining a cut as something that actually leads to
something being greater is really what they do in essence,
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because what it means is once they get the money spent,
they never dial back from the money that has been spent.
They embed it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's also it's like revenue versus taxes. They don't use
the word tax really if they can avoid it. They'll
say revenue because revenue is just money the government has
which is good and goes to investing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's what the losses say, we need.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To invest more in the following programs because investing sounds good.
What they mean is take your money under the threat
of fines and or imprisonment and put it into things
that the government decides our payoffs or the constituents that
they need to pay off. That's what it actually is.
But they play games with a language. I said this
to Clay Offline, I mean of off Air. I'll say
(07:03):
it to all of you. It's the same thing when
you talk about minimum wage. Minimum wage is economically a
flawed concept. It does not work the way it is
intended to work. It never has, it never will, doesn't matter.
People like it. And if you say don't pay minimum wage,
you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You lose.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So it's very hard and you could say, well, I'll
just convince people, make a better argument. You can convince
some people. Can you convince enough people that the communists
who are just gonna shout you're a fat cat? They
play the politics of envy, the mom Donnie routine like
this mom Donnie stuff is none of this is new.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The same thing with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Did you see Bernie Sanders sitting down with Joe Rogan recently?
I might add talking about the the lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That Trump is filing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know what Bernie Sanders does whenever he's cornered with
a stupid argument, he pretends he doesn't know the details.
This is what he does. He does this with economics too.
I might add, well, you know, I don't have the
facts and the figures on that, so what I can't
get into it? Then the no, it's because his arguments
are trash clay. But Bernie Sanders, Mamdani AOC, they're all
doing the same thing, which is ignoring history, ignoring math,
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and telling people they have a secret sauce, a secret
formula that's gonna make everybody feel like they're getting enough
and they're good enough and everything is fine. It is
always a lie, but it's a very appealing lie.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Something that Trump is going to focus on, buck that
I'm starting to see attention on that I think could
be transformative. Okay, we've talked now. The big beautiful bill
is eventually going to pass in some fashions, past the Senate,
past the House. They have to reconcile them. But I
don't think it's going to suddenly blow up. There's going
to be some form of a bill that passes. Okay,
so that is now moving forward in the agenda. There
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is now and I think this is going to be
potentially transformative momentum to not count illegal immigrants for purposes
of the House seats. Have you seen this? This could
be hugely important and it's structural and it's massive. First
of all, we need a new census because I think
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they screwed it up, and it would change the way
that the twenty twenty eight election map is set up
because it would mean that even if Democrats won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
The electoral votes are not there to allow them to
be able to win two seventy to two sixty eight. Unfortunately,
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the electoral college not going to be shifted. It doesn't
appear till after twenty thirty. But what no one talks
about that I think Trump could get behind, and this
could be really important too, is they count illegal immigrants
for purposes of House seats. And the number is roughly
seven hundred and thirty or seven hundred and forty thousand.
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Congressmen represent individuals. If you said, hey, we're not counting
illegal immigrants at all for purposes of how seats, this
would mean that the House was not winnable for Democrats.
They may win the House back in twenty twenty six,
but structurally, if I were now the Trump team and
(10:12):
I were giving them advice on something that I think
would be transformative in the illegal immigrant space, it would
be let's make it clear that you cannot count illegal
immigrants for purposes of redistricting House seats and districting House seats,
and this would probably knock at least ten Democrat seats
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out of control. Why in the world should these people
be counted and it be the case that Democrats benefit
overwhelmingly off of people that are not citizens, not them voting,
but just then being counted for census purposes. This means
that big cities and blue states that have encouraged illegal
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immigrants to come into their locations would be dialed back
in their impact, and this would have a substantial impact
going forward. I think it's one of the big things
that I would say, Hey, now that we got this done,
let's focus on that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It also goes to the perception people have, which I
think is in this case correct, which is that the
system is rigged because if you're a political party that
is benefiting from violations of law, you are benefiting in
terms of you know, cold hard facts of power when
it comes to leveraging something that is the mass violation,
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the zero violation of American law. That's not the way
the game is supposed to be played, all right, The
refs have been paid off. This is a problem, and it's,
as you point out, a substantial one, a big one
by the numbers. So yeah, this is why I keep
saying though with the with the big beautiful bill, the
illegals situation, this is why Trump won this is the
number one reason in my mind that Trump won the
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election as convincingly as he did. I know, there's other stuff,
there's a million things. Okay, it's always you're taking a
snapshot of the way that a hundred fifty million people
decided to click one box or the other. But immigration
is the single issue that I think motivated more people
to get behind Trump. And this has to start getting
fixed right now because what we saw under Joe Biden
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that is truly unsustainable if you want to consider this
to be America going forward, not in fifty years and
five years. You can't have another ten million illegals pile
into this country on top of the illegals that are
already here and think that this is still going to
be what we've thought it is. And Clay, it's already
having a huge political effect as we see give all
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these cities that are trying to thwart federal law enforcement.
Well that's because the political power of the illegal constituents
in those cities.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is huge and they know that they have to try
and preserve it. We'll take some calls on this, and
we'll take some of your calls. We don't have any
guest scheduled today eight hundred and two two two eight
A two. You can always talk back. Lots of emails
rolling in will dive into some of those because a
lot of you have big.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Takes on all of that as well. Play wants to
cut your social Security, so calling and.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yell at them. This is why I get, This is
why I don't have to run for elective office. I
can actually tell you the truth as opposed to having
to lie to everybody and be like, hey, it's a
magical world. Everybody's gonna get more money than you ever
put in and there's not gonna be any consequences. Hey, yay,
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Speaker 2 (14:29):
We got calls coming in.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Uh, let's let's get some calls because Clay and I
we're gonna have great guest hosts in the next couple
of days. So we got h We got only a
couple hours left with you guys before we get ready
to start our Independence Day festivities. Clay, are you gonna
be wearing like an Uncle Sam hat while you're grilling
your steaks down in God's country of the Gulf of America?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Is that? Is this on the on the agenda? I've
got fireworks tomorrow and fireworks on July fourth, two different
fireworks celebrate not me setting the most to me, going
to them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Please don't be that. And this isn't really directed to Claids,
to anybody. Fireworks are to be enjoyed. They're not to
be videotaped. Nobody wants to see a grainy video of
fireworks from a thousand yards away.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm just throwing this. I'm trying to help you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You might think that I'm grumpy, and that sometimes is true,
but I'm trying to be helpful to everybody. Enjoy the
fireworks with your family, like, be present for them.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Have you ever seen this?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
When you go down fireworks, it's like everyone's are at
a concert. Everyone's got their phones out videotaping the fire
Be present for the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You don't need no one.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You don't need to share the fireworks on Instagram a
million times.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think in general we could eliminate ninety percent of
all videos for public events. What I think, and I'm
not an expert on this, clearly because my kids are
not all fully grown, but I think what you would
mostly like to have is your family on video, your
kids on video, so you can go back and remember
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when they were five years old or three years old
or fit.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's very nice, of course, I have no problem. I
take photos of my little baby and carry and the
dog all the time. I'm talking about people.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That think, look at the fireworks and they had their
phone up in the air, and there's like, you know,
a thousand people all on the beach, or a thousand
people all gathered and everyone's got their phones out videotaping
the fire Like, just watch the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You don't have to videotape the fireworks.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Sorry, okay, get off My fire work videotapes is very funny.
But yes, it is rare that you see a fireworks
display that's so spectacular that everybody's gonna be like, wow,
I can't It does not translate to your Instagram or
your Facebook page. I promise you. No one's like, oh,
look at.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The fireworks on that and on that Facebook page. All right,
Jerry and Wisconsin, save me from myself.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
What's up, Jerry, Hey fellow, it's good to speak with you,
three time Trump photer here, but I have to say
I find myself more in the rand Paul ron Johnson
camp on these issues. I think part of the problem,
and I'd like to hear your viewpoints. Obviously, I think
part of the problem is the way this all got
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rolled out, you know, we were in this doge environment
where we're closing down agencies and we're letting federal employees go,
and we're finding waste and very much they were leading
the public to believe in Republicans. I think that this
was critical and it needed to be done, and we
needed to tighten our belts. And then suddenly here comes
(17:34):
a big, beautiful bill and you start hearing about all
the content and it's a complete antithesis of where we
just were. And I think this is a frustration for
a lot of Republicans. And I think that, as you
guys noted, maybe the will isn't there to actually address that.
But if the will isn't there now, then where do
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we go with this?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right I'll give you a shorthand on this. We could
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have a great conversation with somebody. When someone says, you know,
I really want to lose weight. You encourage them. Everyone's great,
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Speaker 2 (19:16):
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Speaker 1 (19:24):
Trump down with Ron DeSantis at Alligator Alcatraz and when
they got off the airplane. Trump directly addressed something that
that I was discussing and we've been talking about in
this program for years now. That is how the census
counts illegal immigrants, and he said he believes they should
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address it. Listen here cut for the President.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
There's going to be a new bill called make American
Elections Great Again. I love forcing the US Census Bureau
to redo the census, to actually get an account of
how so many Americans proved the citizenship are in our area,
in our country. Redisaturing some of the House ditsar't your
thoughts on that.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We iast speak for both of us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We love it.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Given like this one.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I know all about it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
We want to bring our elections back. The election in
twenty twenty was rigged millions and millions of votes. It
had to do with COVID and a lot of things,
but it really had to do with the crooked people.
The Democrats are very good at geetaging elections. And that's
why I said too big to Ric. They tried this
one too, but after about nine oh two they gave
up too many votes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You too, Victor ric.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I do think that increasingly, as you've seen a lot
of people suddenly say, hey, you know, it did turn
out Biden didn't have the mental and physical capacity to
be president. I think a lot of people are looking
now that we've had three Trump era votes at the
eighty one point three even Democrats at the eighty one
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point three million votes that Joe Biden supposedly got in
twenty twenty, and they're saying, that's no way that's real.
I mean, just it's like steroid era baseball, where you know,
you suddenly had was it Brady Anderson hits fifty home
runs or whatever the heck it is. There just is
no way based on all the metrics of the Trump era,
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because what they tried to say was, well, Trump just
uniquely provokes a lot of votes against him too. No,
doesn't really work when you look at the math. The
math doesn't add up on eighty one point three million
for Joe Biden. And it's funny the way Trump addressed it. Now, Yes,
he's back president, and the ultimate reality is Trump is
this is the kick in the teeth, far more effective
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right now as president than he would have been if
he won in twenty twenty. Now, there wouldn't be the
same amount of mess because the border wouldn't have been open.
I don't think we'd have a war in Ukraine. I
don't think Hamas would have invaded Israel. The world would
look very different. But Trump would not have had a
majority in the Senate or the House necessarily to be
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able to undertake what he did.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Here we have some cheery news about this.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it ties in to just how much Republicans
are united behind Trump in this administration. This is from
the CNN data guy. This is eighteen five months into
his term. This is what it's looking like by the numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Play it.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
So we're going to look at the strongly approved numbers.
So this isn't just Republicans who like Donald Trump. This
is Republicans who love Donald Trump, and he's up like
a rocket.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Look at this.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
In July twenty seventeen, the strongly approved with fifty three percent.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's pretty good. But look at where he is now.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Sixty three percent of Republicans strongly approved of the job
that Donald Trump is doing about five months into his presidency.
Republicans love Donald Trump the way that Americans love Disney World.
The bottom line is sixty three percent. That is a huge,
huge base. And of course It's just part of a
Republican base in which about ninety percent of them overall
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a proof of him, including the somewhat.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
As well, sixty three percent love Trump, ninety percent plus
support Trump. Republicans feel the way about Trump that Americans
feel about Disney World. Clay, It's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And there's a second one there too that also just
kind of brings us. This is why I do think
social media is great. You and I use it. We
like to get messages out there. I think the idea
that it is in any way reflective of the larger
world is often not true. And I think left wingers
have learned this because it led them completely off the
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off the reservation. I think sometimes getting worked up about
what seems popular on social media, this was true. I
think of Trump's decision to bomb Iran, there's about twenty
percent of people who disagreed with that that voted for Trump.
That's fine. People don't always have to agree. But if
you had been just watching social media, you would have
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thought it was far more popular than it actually was.
And but this cut nineteen. Trump is more beloved by
the Republican base than any base has loved any Republican
president maybe ever, at least in the modern era of polling.
Listen to this from cut nineteen.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
We have all the president's Republican presidents going back over
the last thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven years. What
are we talking about GOP who strongly approved five months?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And look at this George HW.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
Bush forty one, forty six percent, Bush forty three, fifty nine.
You see Trump the first term fifty three. But look
at this sixty three percent. He beats all the other
Republicans on the board here. And I was looking even
back since Reagan. And get this, Donald Trump beats Reagan
when it comes to the strongly approved five months. And
of course Reagan was coming off do high after that
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assassination attempt. So the bottom line is Donald Trump is
making history with the Republican base. He is more beloved
by this Republican base than any Republican base loved any
g OP president five months and it is history making.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I mean, that's pretty extraordinary to be more popular than Reagan.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean, you know we're talking to he said, he said,
you know, Reagan coming off the the additional support for
him after the assassination attempt.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, like what Trump had too. I think we don't even.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We don't even take that, and people just it never
gets talked about. Trump took a bullet an inch from
the base of his skull and he's just gone on
like it did. It didn't stop him one bit. It
hasn't hasn't shook him, shook him at all. It's a
remarkable thing that Donald Trump, and it's never even talked
about in the in the context of like political violins
(25:41):
and the you know how passions need to be tempered
now or anything. No, no, no, Donald Trump survived two
assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
One bullet went through his ear.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Uh, And yeah, he's he's the most beloved figure by
the GEOP.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It's very likely, almost a certainty.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Now, no one can predict the future, so.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know, maybe we get invaded by aliens and you know,
the whole world blows up.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I don't mean illegal aliens, I mean like outer space,
you of fotype aliens. But I think that Trump is
going to end up being the most beloved Republican president
of anyone's living memory, including Reagan. I think that's I
think that's almost inevitable.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think We've said this, but I'm going to keep
hammering at home because some of you are going to
be stunned when you see the pivot. Trump is Hitler,
Trump is Hitler. Trump is Hitler, Trump is Hitler. Right
after the midterms, it's going to be Republicans are never
going to be able to replace Trump. The greatness of
Donald Trump politician. Oh for sure, for sure, that's it
is inevitable. It is inevitable. I'm just telling you, guys,
(26:47):
twenty twenty seven, that argument is going to shift to
there never be another Trump. There's no way that they're
going to be able to replicate his vote totals. He's
one of the greatest politicians ever. I'm Democrats, not you guys.
I'm saying Democrats are going to be making that argument.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Of course, I also a lot of what we tell
you here on the show is going to happen happens.
I'd say our prediction rate. You know, elections can be tough,
although we did nail this last election, nailed it. Predictions
can be kind of tough with elections, but general predictions,
I think we have a pretty darn good record, and
we go back and we give our post mortem.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
If we miss it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We told you that it was just a matter of
time before Governor Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump were hugging
it out and everything was fine, and that it was
just going to be a bruising primary, and DeSantis supporters
and DeSantis people, etc. We're all going to be welcome
in Maga again, and they're all going to be working
towards saving the country. And I think most most people
(27:46):
on the right understood that. Some people said no, no,
if you De santists, people will never be allowed back
in Maga. DeSantis will never Okay, Well, here's Donald Trump
speaking with Ron to row and to the Country play
twenty four.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Ron, I'd like to thank you personally. You know, have
my friend and you'll always be my friend. And we
may have some skirmishes even in the future, I doubt it,
but I will always come back because we just seemed
to We have blood that seems to match pretty well.
We have a relationship that's been a very strong one
for a long period of time, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Claia.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He also went on to say. Trump went on to say.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
About his relationship with Ron De Santis, I think it's
a ten Okay, maybe nine point nine. But we have
a great relationship. I think it's a ten. Okay, So
we told you this would happen, and some people doubt it,
and I'm just saying, here we are. And sure enough
Ron and Trump high five and loving each other. Ron's
the best governor in America. Trump's the best president in
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our lifetime.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And yay, the good guys. We had a lot of
people calling in like I'll never vote for Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That just people were.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All the time, all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We took it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We took it like it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
We took it like champs here Clay people, Oh, anybody
who liked.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Ronda sho just just betrayed Trump or what?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No, no, no, Because there was some heat there. The
people wanted us to break the Rush rule. Remember Yush
never endorsed once ever in a Republican primary, refused as
a matter of principle to do it. People, were you
better endorsed, you better endorse in Russia's house. I don't
think we're changing Russia's rules. And sure enough Trump and
(29:31):
Ron hugging it out. He said, Trump said relationships at ten,
maybe a nine point nine, okay. I mean Clay and
I hang out for three hours a day. If I
can say our relationships a nine point nine, that's pretty
damn good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I would agree. I heck, if you could say your
relationship with your wife or husband is a nine point nine,
I bet most of you couldn't find the way. But
if you could say that, that's a pretty good sign.
By the way, this is funny. As we get ready
for the break, Trump standing in front of the Alligator
Alcatraz prison and said, Biden wanted me in here. He's
(30:02):
having a lot of fun. I think the humor of
Trump is really coming out. His confidence is at an
all time high, probably as president. Listen to cut twenty three.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Here, Hey, Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He wanted me.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me
in here.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I didn't wanted me in here. The video is really
funny of Trump standing in front of the prisons at
Alligator Alcatraz says.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't want to be a bummer. Very well, I
don't want to be a bummer.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Trump's having a great time. He loves being president of
the whole thing. When we went saw him in the
Oval recently and saw talk to him and Caroline Levitt
and jad Vance came in with the whole thing. It's
like just the energy in this administration is so positive
and and just so there's just such a sense of
destiny to it all. It's incredible. I do though, just
(30:52):
take a moment I mentioned in a second ago. Trump's
revived an assassination attempt. A five to five six bullet
went through his year, could have gone through his head,
could have changed world history and been a horrible tragedy
and torn the country apart. So, you know, I don't
want to dwell on that, but I think we need
to keep that perspective. I think that Joe Biden, or
his handlers pretending to be I think he would have
let Trump go to prison if they could have pulled
(31:13):
that off. I think if Biden forget about the debate
and everything else, if they had been able to get
a conviction of Trump and the Supreme Court did not
step in and Biden won reelection, that he would have
let Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Go to prison.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I do not think Joe Biden has the character of
the decency to have stepped in to prevent that. Again
on the federal level, where it would have been his
prerogative as president.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
So I.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Think that's true. In the original sin book that I'm
reading that everybody is angry at me for reading. There's
regular revelations that Biden really expected Trump to go to
prison and was looking forward to it, like based on
private conversations inside of the White House.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That actually is really I mean, I that doesn't surprise
me at all. But that is an interesting revelation from
from that book. You know what, Clay, you'll send me
your copy so I don't put any dollars next time
we're in.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Person, so you don't have to buy it. I'll give
you my copy to read. It's anybody but no, but
that goes to who Joe Biden is. That really does
go to who Joe Biden is. Joe Biden's a scumbag.
He's not a good person. He never was.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And you know, I was saying that all along. I
was telling the stories here about how how he lied
about the culpability of the other driver when his wife
was killed because it gave him political advantage. Clay and
I have talked about how he.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Was sworn in in the hospital room with the kids,
and I.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Mean, he's not.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Plus also the stafford that he's actually that you know,
allegedly he's actually assaulted who came out. It's entirely credible
allegation of woman worked for me.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Nothing nothing about Joe Biden matter other than he was
a He was part of their will to power. They
didn't care. But he's not a good guy. He's not
a good guy, and I think everyone now will admit that.
So anyway, that's really interesting. Though he wanted to he
did he I knew that, Clay without you telling me that,
and yet here we are. He would have he would
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Speaker 3 (34:13):
Trump calling out Mam Donnie, Mam Donnie. I'm sorry, Mom Donnie,
isn't my no? How how do you say this guy's name,
Mam Donnie? I think mom Donnie, that's right, Mam Donnie
the kami and uh yeah, Mom Donnie.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Trump saying, you know what, we don't need a communist,
and I agree with that. I think that's a pretty
clear we do not need a communist to be running
America's largest city. And for anyone who's gonna say, oh,
but he's not really a communist.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's not really.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you guys heard some of this stuff here, he is,
I gotta get to this. Where where did it go?
Saying that they're gonna turn Okay, this is in twenty
twenty one, Clay. Here is Zoron Mamdani saying that that
the the government, the local government should buy up housing
and can divert them into communities.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Play ten.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
To go further toward the Vienna model, we'll have to
go beyond the market. We can establish community land trusts
to gradually buy up housing on the private market and
convert it to community ownership. We can give tenants to
right a first refusal to buy out their landlords when
buildings go up for safe and we can fully commit
to a new era of social housing, ending subsidies for
luxury housing development, and using our wealth to build beautiful,
(35:25):
high quality social housing projects that offer good homes and
strong communities to everyone. We won't decommodify housing overnight, but
we know what we have to do, and we have
history to guide us.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's real commedy stuff right there. Just everyance clear.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I mean, that's like communism, communism, that's not even like I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
A democratic socialist from Sweden.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, that is the government stepping in buying property and
turning it into collective ownership situations communes.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Where can you.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Imagine what a hell hole it would be like?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It's bad enough the City of New York operates project housing,
which is city owned housing that they then and you know,
it's heavily subsized and people pay, but the city controls it.
Could you imagine what communal housing would be like clay, like.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It just owned by people who live in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know what I mean, buy and large, it always fails.
It's commune style. They've been trying to do that since
the nineteen sixties. I don't know why there's not more
discussion about this. You know what would help to lower
rents in New York City massively fewer illegal immigrants. I mean,
this is just basic economics. If you have fewer people
(36:35):
trying to buy an asset, then the overall cost of
the asset goes down. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion
when it comes to housing costs about what having thirty
million illegals at least ish in the country does to
the overall housing market. New York City in particular. Imagine
(36:55):
if you got rid of likely a million or more
certainly illegal immigrants, that would make the people that are
actually legally here probably have to pay less for their homes.
We'll talk about that more next
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. The Senate
has passed the big beautiful bill that happened right at
the start of the first hour of today's program that
will now go back to the House. End result is
going to be passage. Seems to be I would say
general happiness over this passing, but also a I don't
(00:54):
know that I've picked up on this before, a demand
for perfection in bill's the likes of which I have
not seen in the past. All bills passed by Congress
are imperfect. Many of them are unfortunately awful, which is
why in many ways I would just like less government.
(01:15):
I think most of you out there would like less government,
just get out of the way and let individual excellence triumph,
which is how you get the economy growing. But this bill,
I think will aid substantially in getting the economy growing.
It will provide certainty on tax rates, It will further
(01:38):
shut down the southern border. It is imperfect, as all
acts of Congress are, but I believe the net benefits
are very much in a positive direction. Now, for those
of you out there that are concerned about government spending,
you're right, the government spending is out of control. There
is not, however, the political will to address government spending,
(02:02):
either on the Democrat or the Republican side. It doesn't
exist if you argue for it. In cutting government spending,
cutting entitlements, all these things, you don't get elected. And
to Buck's point, eventually communists take power, and they spend
more money, and they tax you at a higher rate.
So I don't know who the great communicator is going
(02:26):
to be that can actually sit down. I feel like
in many ways back in the day, some of you
will remember this Ross Perrot used to just buy commercial
time in nineteen ninety two, and.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He had his electern can't finish.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He had his lectern and he had his pointer, and
he would stand there and just make the case as
a executive would, about how government spending was out of control.
I think Ron Johnson is right on this. I think
Grand Paul is right on this. We have allowed embedded
spending excess to be continued from COVID. I agree with
(03:03):
all of it. The political will to address it isn't there.
And Democrats this is where they win a lot of
these arguments because they have established the definition of a
cut is actually slowing the rate of growth. I've never
heard of this being applied anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is really this was true of Republicans in the
Tea Party era trying with with there was that there
was a huge fight, and it was about slowing the
rate of the increase of spending. It was about spending
less of a of a you know, bringing the trajectory
of increase spending down just a little bit and a
(03:40):
decrease in the a decrease in the increase. Yes, and
this was a huge political fight back in the Tea
Party days a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, I don't want to be I don't want
to be uh, dismissive or cynical about it. But usually
when I say that, it's because I'm about to be.
We just haven't suffered enough. People haven't spent enough. They
haven't seen enough of their grandchildren not living up to
the you know, the quality of life that they themselves had.
Or we haven't seen enough money going to paying interest
(04:11):
and having that crowd out private spending. We haven't seen
enough of the tax raises that eventually are going to
be a part of trying to stabilize this.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Like you know, that's or or or happiness, because.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We're going into a holiday weekend and I already have
holiday brain going on here a little.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Bit or clay.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We find ways that AI and productivity and growth are
so profound that it's it's a something of a fiscal miracle, right,
I mean, we become so productive and so efficient as
an economy that we're able to grow our way, if
not out of it, grow our way to continued stability
with it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's a possibility as well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't think that that's there are people believe that
AI is going to be more transformational than even the
Internet has been fixed with that for a second, so
no one really knows what that means in terms of
how much wealth. You know, people think of wealth as
zero sum, and it's not. Now I'm barring from Naval
ravakand he's a very smart guy. Status is zero sum.
(05:10):
Wealth can actually be something that is real and that
is broadly shared. We are all a lot richer than
the richest people were in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Why is that right?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The world has gotten a lot wealthier, not just individuals.
Status is a different thing. That's zero sum. So I
just don't know if we've reached the point. I don't
think we have reached the point of the country where
we want to tackle the problem. Maybe we want to
see if we can grow our way out of it,
and that's where we are. So any noise to the
contrary right now is unfortunately just that noise.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think the argument that might cut through from a
communication perspective is if you put on ten pounds of
weight every year and then suddenly you only put on three,
you're getting fat slower, but you're still getting fatter. And
the whole idea that slowing the rate of an increase
(06:01):
or slowing the rate of growth as a cut is
one of the most pernicious. I think realities that has
been allowed to exist in the way we even have conversation.
This is where the left does a better job with language,
because defining a cut as something that actually leads to
something being greater is really what they do in essence,
(06:21):
because what it means is once they get the money spent,
they never dial back from the money that has been spent.
They embed it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's also it's like revenue versus taxes. They don't use
the word tax really if they can avoid it. They'll
say revenue because revenue is just money the government has
which is good and goes to investing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's what the losses say, we need.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To invest more in the following programs because investing sounds good.
What they mean is take your money under the threat
of fines and or imprisonment and put it into things
that the government decides our payoffs or the constituents that
they need to pay off. That's what it actually is.
But they play games with a language. I said this
to Clay Offline, I mean of off Air. I'll say
(07:03):
it to all of you. It's the same thing when
you talk about minimum wage. Minimum wage is economically a
flawed concept. It does not work the way it is
intended to work. It never has, it never will, doesn't matter.
People like it. And if you say don't pay minimum wage,
you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You lose.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So it's very hard and you could say, well, I'll
just convince people, make a better argument. You can convince
some people. Can you convince enough people that the communists
who are just gonna shout you're a fat cat? They
play the politics of envy, the mom Donnie routine like
this mom Donnie stuff is none of this is new.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The same thing with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Did you see Bernie Sanders sitting down with Joe Rogan recently?
I might add talking about the the lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That Trump is filing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know what Bernie Sanders does whenever he's cornered with
a stupid argument, he pretends he doesn't know the details.
This is what he does. He does this with economics too.
I might add, well, you know, I don't have the
facts and the figures on that, so what I can't
get into it? Then the no, it's because his arguments
are trash clay. But Bernie Sanders, Mamdani AOC, they're all
doing the same thing, which is ignoring history, ignoring math,
(08:07):
and telling people they have a secret sauce, a secret
formula that's gonna make everybody feel like they're getting enough
and they're good enough and everything is fine. It is
always a lie, but it's a very appealing lie.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Something that Trump is going to focus on, buck that
I'm starting to see attention on that I think could
be transformative. Okay, we've talked now. The big beautiful bill
is eventually going to pass in some fashions, past the Senate,
past the House. They have to reconcile them. But I
don't think it's going to suddenly blow up. There's going
to be some form of a bill that passes. Okay,
so that is now moving forward in the agenda. There
(08:46):
is now and I think this is going to be
potentially transformative momentum to not count illegal immigrants for purposes
of the House seats. Have you seen this? This could
be hugely important and it's structural and it's massive. First
of all, we need a new census because I think
(09:07):
they screwed it up, and it would change the way
that the twenty twenty eight election map is set up
because it would mean that even if Democrats won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
The electoral votes are not there to allow them to
be able to win two seventy to two sixty eight. Unfortunately,
(09:28):
the electoral college not going to be shifted. It doesn't
appear till after twenty thirty. But what no one talks
about that I think Trump could get behind, and this
could be really important too, is they count illegal immigrants
for purposes of House seats. And the number is roughly
seven hundred and thirty or seven hundred and forty thousand.
(09:51):
Congressmen represent individuals. If you said, hey, we're not counting
illegal immigrants at all for purposes of how seats, this
would mean that the House was not winnable for Democrats.
They may win the House back in twenty twenty six,
but structurally, if I were now the Trump team and
(10:12):
I were giving them advice on something that I think
would be transformative in the illegal immigrant space, it would
be let's make it clear that you cannot count illegal
immigrants for purposes of redistricting House seats and districting House seats,
and this would probably knock at least ten Democrat seats
(10:34):
out of control. Why in the world should these people
be counted and it be the case that Democrats benefit
overwhelmingly off of people that are not citizens, not them voting,
but just then being counted for census purposes. This means
that big cities and blue states that have encouraged illegal
(10:55):
immigrants to come into their locations would be dialed back
in their impact, and this would have a substantial impact
going forward. I think it's one of the big things
that I would say, Hey, now that we got this done,
let's focus on that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It also goes to the perception people have, which I
think is in this case correct, which is that the
system is rigged because if you're a political party that
is benefiting from violations of law, you are benefiting in
terms of you know, cold hard facts of power when
it comes to leveraging something that is the mass violation,
(11:30):
the zero violation of American law. That's not the way
the game is supposed to be played, all right, The
refs have been paid off. This is a problem, and it's,
as you point out, a substantial one, a big one
by the numbers. So yeah, this is why I keep
saying though with the with the big beautiful bill, the
illegals situation, this is why Trump won this is the
number one reason in my mind that Trump won the
(11:52):
election as convincingly as he did. I know, there's other stuff,
there's a million things. Okay, it's always you're taking a
snapshot of the way that a hundred fifty million people
decided to click one box or the other. But immigration
is the single issue that I think motivated more people
to get behind Trump. And this has to start getting
fixed right now because what we saw under Joe Biden
(12:15):
that is truly unsustainable if you want to consider this
to be America going forward, not in fifty years and
five years. You can't have another ten million illegals pile
into this country on top of the illegals that are
already here and think that this is still going to
be what we've thought it is. And Clay, it's already
having a huge political effect as we see give all
(12:36):
these cities that are trying to thwart federal law enforcement.
Well that's because the political power of the illegal constituents
in those cities.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is huge and they know that they have to try
and preserve it. We'll take some calls on this, and
we'll take some of your calls. We don't have any
guest scheduled today eight hundred and two two two eight
A two. You can always talk back. Lots of emails
rolling in will dive into some of those because a
lot of you have big.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Takes on all of that as well. Play wants to
cut your social Security, so calling and.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yell at them. This is why I get, This is
why I don't have to run for elective office. I
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Speaker 2 (14:29):
We got calls coming in.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Uh, let's let's get some calls because Clay and I
we're gonna have great guest hosts in the next couple
of days. So we got h We got only a
couple hours left with you guys before we get ready
to start our Independence Day festivities. Clay, are you gonna
be wearing like an Uncle Sam hat while you're grilling
your steaks down in God's country of the Gulf of America?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Is that? Is this on the on the agenda? I've
got fireworks tomorrow and fireworks on July fourth, two different
fireworks celebrate not me setting the most to me, going
to them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Please don't be that. And this isn't really directed to Claids,
to anybody. Fireworks are to be enjoyed. They're not to
be videotaped. Nobody wants to see a grainy video of
fireworks from a thousand yards away.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm just throwing this. I'm trying to help you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You might think that I'm grumpy, and that sometimes is true,
but I'm trying to be helpful to everybody. Enjoy the
fireworks with your family, like, be present for them.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Have you ever seen this?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
When you go down fireworks, it's like everyone's are at
a concert. Everyone's got their phones out videotaping the fire
Be present for the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You don't need no one.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You don't need to share the fireworks on Instagram a
million times.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think in general we could eliminate ninety percent of
all videos for public events. What I think, and I'm
not an expert on this, clearly because my kids are
not all fully grown, but I think what you would
mostly like to have is your family on video, your
kids on video, so you can go back and remember
(16:04):
when they were five years old or three years old
or fit.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's very nice, of course, I have no problem. I
take photos of my little baby and carry and the
dog all the time. I'm talking about people.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That think, look at the fireworks and they had their
phone up in the air, and there's like, you know,
a thousand people all on the beach, or a thousand
people all gathered and everyone's got their phones out videotaping
the fire Like, just watch the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You don't have to videotape the fireworks.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Sorry, okay, get off My fire work videotapes is very funny.
But yes, it is rare that you see a fireworks
display that's so spectacular that everybody's gonna be like, wow,
I can't It does not translate to your Instagram or
your Facebook page. I promise you. No one's like, oh,
look at.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The fireworks on that and on that Facebook page. All right,
Jerry and Wisconsin, save me from myself.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
What's up, Jerry, Hey fellow, it's good to speak with you,
three time Trump photer here, but I have to say
I find myself more in the rand Paul ron Johnson
camp on these issues. I think part of the problem,
and I'd like to hear your viewpoints. Obviously, I think
part of the problem is the way this all got
(17:12):
rolled out, you know, we were in this doge environment
where we're closing down agencies and we're letting federal employees go,
and we're finding waste and very much they were leading
the public to believe in Republicans. I think that this
was critical and it needed to be done, and we
needed to tighten our belts. And then suddenly here comes
(17:34):
a big, beautiful bill and you start hearing about all
the content and it's a complete antithesis of where we
just were. And I think this is a frustration for
a lot of Republicans. And I think that, as you
guys noted, maybe the will isn't there to actually address that.
But if the will isn't there now, then where do
(17:58):
we go with this?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right I'll give you a shorthand on this. We could
just because we're going to break. It's one thing to
have a great conversation with somebody. When someone says, you know,
I really want to lose weight. You encourage them. Everyone's great,
everyone's on the same page. It's fantastic. When you tell
them to put the third doughnut down the next day,
they sometimes get very, very snippy, and that's the American
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Speaker 2 (19:16):
Save fifteen percent.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Trump down with Ron DeSantis at Alligator Alcatraz and when
they got off the airplane. Trump directly addressed something that
that I was discussing and we've been talking about in
this program for years now. That is how the census
counts illegal immigrants, and he said he believes they should
(19:46):
address it. Listen here cut for the President.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
There's going to be a new bill called make American
Elections Great Again. I love forcing the US Census Bureau
to redo the census, to actually get an account of
how so many Americans proved the citizenship are in our area,
in our country. Redisaturing some of the House ditsar't your
thoughts on that.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We iast speak for both of us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We love it.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Given like this one.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I know all about it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
We want to bring our elections back. The election in
twenty twenty was rigged millions and millions of votes. It
had to do with COVID and a lot of things,
but it really had to do with the crooked people.
The Democrats are very good at geetaging elections. And that's
why I said too big to Ric. They tried this
one too, but after about nine oh two they gave
up too many votes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You too, Victor ric.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I do think that increasingly, as you've seen a lot
of people suddenly say, hey, you know, it did turn
out Biden didn't have the mental and physical capacity to
be president. I think a lot of people are looking
now that we've had three Trump era votes at the
eighty one point three even Democrats at the eighty one
(20:55):
point three million votes that Joe Biden supposedly got in
twenty twenty, and they're saying, that's no way that's real.
I mean, just it's like steroid era baseball, where you know,
you suddenly had was it Brady Anderson hits fifty home
runs or whatever the heck it is. There just is
no way based on all the metrics of the Trump era,
(21:16):
because what they tried to say was, well, Trump just
uniquely provokes a lot of votes against him too. No,
doesn't really work when you look at the math. The
math doesn't add up on eighty one point three million
for Joe Biden. And it's funny the way Trump addressed it. Now, Yes,
he's back president, and the ultimate reality is Trump is
this is the kick in the teeth, far more effective
(21:38):
right now as president than he would have been if
he won in twenty twenty. Now, there wouldn't be the
same amount of mess because the border wouldn't have been open.
I don't think we'd have a war in Ukraine. I
don't think Hamas would have invaded Israel. The world would
look very different. But Trump would not have had a
majority in the Senate or the House necessarily to be
(21:58):
able to undertake what he did.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Here we have some cheery news about this.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it ties in to just how much Republicans
are united behind Trump in this administration. This is from
the CNN data guy. This is eighteen five months into
his term. This is what it's looking like by the numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Play it.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
So we're going to look at the strongly approved numbers.
So this isn't just Republicans who like Donald Trump. This
is Republicans who love Donald Trump, and he's up like
a rocket.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Look at this.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
In July twenty seventeen, the strongly approved with fifty three percent.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's pretty good. But look at where he is now.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Sixty three percent of Republicans strongly approved of the job
that Donald Trump is doing about five months into his presidency.
Republicans love Donald Trump the way that Americans love Disney World.
The bottom line is sixty three percent. That is a huge,
huge base. And of course It's just part of a
Republican base in which about ninety percent of them overall
(22:58):
a proof of him, including the somewhat.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
As well, sixty three percent love Trump, ninety percent plus
support Trump. Republicans feel the way about Trump that Americans
feel about Disney World. Clay, It's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And there's a second one there too that also just
kind of brings us. This is why I do think
social media is great. You and I use it. We
like to get messages out there. I think the idea
that it is in any way reflective of the larger
world is often not true. And I think left wingers
have learned this because it led them completely off the
(23:35):
off the reservation. I think sometimes getting worked up about
what seems popular on social media, this was true. I
think of Trump's decision to bomb Iran, there's about twenty
percent of people who disagreed with that that voted for Trump.
That's fine. People don't always have to agree. But if
you had been just watching social media, you would have
(23:56):
thought it was far more popular than it actually was.
And but this cut nineteen. Trump is more beloved by
the Republican base than any base has loved any Republican
president maybe ever, at least in the modern era of polling.
Listen to this from cut nineteen.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
We have all the president's Republican presidents going back over
the last thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven years. What
are we talking about GOP who strongly approved five months?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And look at this George HW.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
Bush forty one, forty six percent, Bush forty three, fifty nine.
You see Trump the first term fifty three. But look
at this sixty three percent. He beats all the other
Republicans on the board here. And I was looking even
back since Reagan. And get this, Donald Trump beats Reagan
when it comes to the strongly approved five months. And
of course Reagan was coming off do high after that
(24:48):
assassination attempt. So the bottom line is Donald Trump is
making history with the Republican base. He is more beloved
by this Republican base than any Republican base loved any
g OP president five months and it is history making.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I mean, that's pretty extraordinary to be more popular than Reagan.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean, you know we're talking to he said, he said,
you know, Reagan coming off the the additional support for
him after the assassination attempt.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, like what Trump had too. I think we don't even.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We don't even take that, and people just it never
gets talked about. Trump took a bullet an inch from
the base of his skull and he's just gone on
like it did. It didn't stop him one bit. It
hasn't hasn't shook him, shook him at all. It's a
remarkable thing that Donald Trump, and it's never even talked
about in the in the context of like political violins
(25:41):
and the you know how passions need to be tempered
now or anything. No, no, no, Donald Trump survived two
assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
One bullet went through his ear.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Uh, And yeah, he's he's the most beloved figure by
the GEOP.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It's very likely, almost a certainty.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Now, no one can predict the future, so.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know, maybe we get invaded by aliens and you know,
the whole world blows up.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I don't mean illegal aliens, I mean like outer space,
you of fotype aliens. But I think that Trump is
going to end up being the most beloved Republican president
of anyone's living memory, including Reagan. I think that's I
think that's almost inevitable.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think We've said this, but I'm going to keep
hammering at home because some of you are going to
be stunned when you see the pivot. Trump is Hitler,
Trump is Hitler. Trump is Hitler, Trump is Hitler. Right
after the midterms, it's going to be Republicans are never
going to be able to replace Trump. The greatness of
Donald Trump politician. Oh for sure, for sure, that's it
is inevitable. It is inevitable. I'm just telling you, guys,
(26:47):
twenty twenty seven, that argument is going to shift to
there never be another Trump. There's no way that they're
going to be able to replicate his vote totals. He's
one of the greatest politicians ever. I'm Democrats, not you guys.
I'm saying Democrats are going to be making that argument.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Of course, I also a lot of what we tell
you here on the show is going to happen happens.
I'd say our prediction rate. You know, elections can be tough,
although we did nail this last election, nailed it. Predictions
can be kind of tough with elections, but general predictions,
I think we have a pretty darn good record, and
we go back and we give our post mortem.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
If we miss it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We told you that it was just a matter of
time before Governor Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump were hugging
it out and everything was fine, and that it was
just going to be a bruising primary, and DeSantis supporters
and DeSantis people, etc. We're all going to be welcome
in Maga again, and they're all going to be working
towards saving the country. And I think most most people
(27:46):
on the right understood that. Some people said no, no,
if you De santists, people will never be allowed back
in Maga. DeSantis will never Okay, Well, here's Donald Trump
speaking with Ron to row and to the Country play
twenty four.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Ron, I'd like to thank you personally. You know, have
my friend and you'll always be my friend. And we
may have some skirmishes even in the future, I doubt it,
but I will always come back because we just seemed
to We have blood that seems to match pretty well.
We have a relationship that's been a very strong one
for a long period of time, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Claia.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He also went on to say. Trump went on to say.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
About his relationship with Ron De Santis, I think it's
a ten Okay, maybe nine point nine. But we have
a great relationship. I think it's a ten. Okay, So
we told you this would happen, and some people doubt it,
and I'm just saying, here we are. And sure enough
Ron and Trump high five and loving each other. Ron's
the best governor in America. Trump's the best president in
(28:49):
our lifetime.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And yay, the good guys. We had a lot of
people calling in like I'll never vote for Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That just people were.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All the time, all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We took it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We took it like it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
We took it like champs here Clay people, Oh, anybody
who liked.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Ronda sho just just betrayed Trump or what?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No, no, no, Because there was some heat there. The
people wanted us to break the Rush rule. Remember Yush
never endorsed once ever in a Republican primary, refused as
a matter of principle to do it. People, were you
better endorsed, you better endorse in Russia's house. I don't
think we're changing Russia's rules. And sure enough Trump and
(29:31):
Ron hugging it out. He said, Trump said relationships at ten,
maybe a nine point nine, okay. I mean Clay and
I hang out for three hours a day. If I
can say our relationships a nine point nine, that's pretty
damn good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I would agree. I heck, if you could say your
relationship with your wife or husband is a nine point nine,
I bet most of you couldn't find the way. But
if you could say that, that's a pretty good sign.
By the way, this is funny. As we get ready
for the break, Trump standing in front of the Alligator
Alcatraz prison and said, Biden wanted me in here. He's
(30:02):
having a lot of fun. I think the humor of
Trump is really coming out. His confidence is at an
all time high, probably as president. Listen to cut twenty three.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Here, Hey, Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He wanted me.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me
in here.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I didn't wanted me in here. The video is really
funny of Trump standing in front of the prisons at
Alligator Alcatraz says.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't want to be a bummer. Very well, I
don't want to be a bummer.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Trump's having a great time. He loves being president of
the whole thing. When we went saw him in the
Oval recently and saw talk to him and Caroline Levitt
and jad Vance came in with the whole thing. It's
like just the energy in this administration is so positive
and and just so there's just such a sense of
destiny to it all. It's incredible. I do though, just
(30:52):
take a moment I mentioned in a second ago. Trump's
revived an assassination attempt. A five to five six bullet
went through his year, could have gone through his head,
could have changed world history and been a horrible tragedy
and torn the country apart. So, you know, I don't
want to dwell on that, but I think we need
to keep that perspective. I think that Joe Biden, or
his handlers pretending to be I think he would have
let Trump go to prison if they could have pulled
(31:13):
that off. I think if Biden forget about the debate
and everything else, if they had been able to get
a conviction of Trump and the Supreme Court did not
step in and Biden won reelection, that he would have
let Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Go to prison.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I do not think Joe Biden has the character of
the decency to have stepped in to prevent that. Again
on the federal level, where it would have been his
prerogative as president.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
So I.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Think that's true. In the original sin book that I'm
reading that everybody is angry at me for reading. There's
regular revelations that Biden really expected Trump to go to
prison and was looking forward to it, like based on
private conversations inside of the White House.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
That actually is really I mean, I that doesn't surprise
me at all. But that is an interesting revelation from
from that book. You know what, Clay, you'll send me
your copy so I don't put any dollars next time
we're in.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Person, so you don't have to buy it. I'll give
you my copy to read. It's anybody but no, but
that goes to who Joe Biden is. That really does
go to who Joe Biden is. Joe Biden's a scumbag.
He's not a good person. He never was.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And you know, I was saying that all along. I
was telling the stories here about how how he lied
about the culpability of the other driver when his wife
was killed because it gave him political advantage. Clay and
I have talked about how he.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Was sworn in in the hospital room with the kids,
and I.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Mean, he's not.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Plus also the stafford that he's actually that you know,
allegedly he's actually assaulted who came out. It's entirely credible
allegation of woman worked for me.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Nothing nothing about Joe Biden matter other than he was
a He was part of their will to power. They
didn't care. But he's not a good guy. He's not
a good guy, and I think everyone now will admit that.
So anyway, that's really interesting. Though he wanted to he
did he I knew that, Clay without you telling me that,
and yet here we are. He would have he would
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We got a whole bunch of things that we need
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Speaker 3 (34:13):
Trump calling out Mam Donnie, Mam Donnie. I'm sorry, Mom Donnie,
isn't my no? How how do you say this guy's name,
Mam Donnie? I think mom Donnie, that's right, Mam Donnie
the kami and uh yeah, Mom Donnie.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Trump saying, you know what, we don't need a communist,
and I agree with that. I think that's a pretty
clear we do not need a communist to be running
America's largest city. And for anyone who's gonna say, oh,
but he's not really a communist.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's not really.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you guys heard some of this stuff here, he is,
I gotta get to this. Where where did it go?
Saying that they're gonna turn Okay, this is in twenty
twenty one, Clay. Here is Zoron Mamdani saying that that
the the government, the local government should buy up housing
and can divert them into communities.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Play ten.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
To go further toward the Vienna model, we'll have to
go beyond the market. We can establish community land trusts
to gradually buy up housing on the private market and
convert it to community ownership. We can give tenants to
right a first refusal to buy out their landlords when
buildings go up for safe and we can fully commit
to a new era of social housing, ending subsidies for
luxury housing development, and using our wealth to build beautiful,
(35:25):
high quality social housing projects that offer good homes and
strong communities to everyone. We won't decommodify housing overnight, but
we know what we have to do, and we have
history to guide us.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's real commedy stuff right there. Just everyance clear.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I mean, that's like communism, communism, that's not even like I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
A democratic socialist from Sweden.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, that is the government stepping in buying property and
turning it into collective ownership situations communes.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Where can you.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Imagine what a hell hole it would be like?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It's bad enough the City of New York operates project housing,
which is city owned housing that they then and you know,
it's heavily subsized and people pay, but the city controls it.
Could you imagine what communal housing would be like clay, like.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It just owned by people who live in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know what I mean, buy and large, it always fails.
It's commune style. They've been trying to do that since
the nineteen sixties. I don't know why there's not more
discussion about this. You know what would help to lower
rents in New York City massively fewer illegal immigrants. I mean,
this is just basic economics. If you have fewer people
(36:35):
trying to buy an asset, then the overall cost of
the asset goes down. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion
when it comes to housing costs about what having thirty
million illegals at least ish in the country does to
the overall housing market. New York City in particular. Imagine
(36:55):
if you got rid of likely a million or more
certainly illegal immigrants, that would make the people that are
actually legally here probably have to pay less for their homes.
We'll talk about that more next
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