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July 19, 2025 15 mins

Producers Ali and Greg weigh in on CBS saying goodnight to Stephen Colbert and Late Night TV. A Rush “See, I Told You So”, thoughts on Young Sheldon, and a great idea to fill the open slot.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to this edition of After Hours with producer Ali
and producer Ali.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I mean, I'm producer Greg.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, it's been a.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Minute, it has. We haven't done one of these in
a while. Greg, No, we got into a pretty spirited
conversation this morning, so we thought, you know, let's let's
do another one of these and put a little easter
egg into the podcast feed.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Absolutely, and we haven't had one in a while. But
it was a great discussion, and it all centered around
CBS putting an end to the Late Show, not just
canceling Colbert, but they're getting rid of the whole show
all together, which I find really interesting.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I thought the story was really interesting for a whole
bunch of reasons, but also the reaction, like Jimmy Kimmel
what he said in his Instagram post, love you, Stephen,
f you and all your Sheldon's CBS, Okay, what does
that even mean? I took that to mean Young Sheldon,
which we talked about the show this morning, is doing amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
And they keep yes and they keep spinning off that
Big Bang theory. So that was the original and then
there was the Young Sheldon and.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
They're making a lot of money for CBS, and it's
been such a big hit. It's the most watched comedy
TV or streaming since its debut in twenty seventeen. That's
according to Nielsen. But what I thought was interesting about
that is the content on Young Sheldon. I've only seen
full disclosure, only about half a dozen episodes. My parents
love it all their pickleball friends love it. Their whole

(01:33):
generation loves it. And I asked why, because I don't
particularly care for It's really not my kind of TV.
But I asked them what they loved, and they said,
it's wholesome, it's funny. They kind of like that. They're
like a church going family, almost like a leave It
to Beaver. But the nineties version.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Absolutely, and that's one of the things that I think
that we like about it as well. We watch it
at our house because it is a real look at
a church going family. And they poke fun of a
little bit because it's still you know, liberal television Hollywood,
but they take it seriously enough. I mean, yes, they

(02:13):
do make the mom to be kind of a Christian
whacka woo.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
But there's something endearing about there.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Is there is exactly because the family sticks together even
though they each all have their quirks and their foibles
and that sort.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Of imperfectly perfect family.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Absolutely, And I think I mentioned this earlier. The daughter,
the sister, Missy, the twin of young Sheldon, is the
one who steals the show for us all the time.
So it's she's the best She's the best part of
the show in our opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, So I found that Jimmy Kimmel's little like tweet
or Instagram post about that was very telling because I
think they're not being honest. Also about why it's going away.
It's going away for a bunch of reasons. And you
had a really good point about the end of an error.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, I think that the idea that we're going to
flash back and we're going to talk about this, and
we're actually going to play you a flashback clip in
a few minutes about the idea that ratings don't matter anymore,
and the whole reason that this is being gotten rid of.
There's yes, there's a merger coming and CBS is is merging,

(03:23):
and the lawsuit and and and the lawsuit and all
of that. Rush talked about the fact that ratings don't
matter anymore. We're going to play that in a little
bit and that it's all about Cachet. But what we
really are seeing with the removal of the whole show entirely,
this is the first domino, if you will, in the

(03:46):
end of broadcast television. I think this is going to
be a fast I don't know how fast it's going
to come, but it is going to be the point
where people turn back and look and go, Aha, there
it is right there. That's when broadcast television died. So
broadcast television is dead.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And I think also some media executives were just looking
at the books. They kind of doged a little bit.
They looked at the books, they saw the expense sheet.
They did not see the value proposition coming back in
the form of advertisers, whereas a Young Sheldon show is
doing amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Do you think that that that we that piece of
that was going around today is real about that that
the show costs one hundred million dollars a year to
make and they were losing forty million dollars a year.
Do you think that that's that that's accurate? It certainly seems.
I mean, if you looked at the breakdown of what
it costs Colbert salaries right around fifteen and then you

(04:44):
know the writers and the staffs and the legal you
know from.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
You sent that to us today? Yeah, where what was
that on? What was the source?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
To be honest with you, I forget off the top
of my head, I happened.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Colbert himself said I have a team of two one hundred, which,
of course, if any of you listening here, that made
Greg and I laugh, because our Klay and Buck show,
we have a production team. Emphasize production team of three
and you can if you count our board op four.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right, and then so yeah, the digital team that's another
four or five. And then if you include our bosses
and immediate bosses, I think maybe growing all the way
up to the CEO as a company, I think you're
looking at maybe a dozen people or you know, sixteen
people at the outside. Two hundred people is just ridiculous, right.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
They said they had a team of writers. I think
there was about ten to fifteen writers.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Could you imagine, right, trying to write for the Clay
and Buck Well, all of.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It is improv and just going off the cuff.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It is. I mean, that's not to say that they're
not doing their homework, and because they are, I mean,
they're always doing.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Shows, right, it's just not scripted.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's not scripted, just like this show isn't scripted. We're
not sitting here, we're not reading. I mean, we discussed
this earlier ourselves and got into a really interesting discuss,
which is why we're bringing it to you now.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Right. I want you to go and pull up that
Rush clip though, because that does go into the wayback machine,
and I thought it really really shined a light on
the real reason.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
This goes back to twenty eleven. I'm sorry, twenty fourteen,
so it goes back eleven years. And he was talking
about at that time, the president of CBS, Les Moonvez,
said that ratings don't matter anymore, and Rush actually did
a whole big thing on it. And take a listen
to this right now. It's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
This sets up a giant sea. I told you so.
This is me February nineteenth, right here behind the golden
EIB microphone. I had an instant message flash going back
and forth about ratings late night, and I offered the
following opinion to the person I was talking with. I said,
it's obvious that ratings don't matter anywhere near as much

(06:58):
as they used to wise, there wouldn't be a CNN,
there would not be an MSNBC.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
If ratings mattered, they wouldn't exist.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Nobody's watching, And I proffered this opinion. I think we've
gotten to the point in not just medium, but our culture.
I think television executives, management types, programmers are more influenced
by what the media says about a talent or a
show than what the ratings are.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Who can dispute that?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Nobody can? Okay, So let's go to Last Moonvest now
the CEO of the CBS Tiffany Network Empire this week
yesterday in Los Angeles at the Milken Institute Global Conference.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Late night is not what it used to be during
the days of Johnny Carson, even the early days of
David Letterman, it was much more of a profit center
for all of us. The last few years it's been
more about bragging rights, and clearly we're at a point
where there's a real generational change. Late night is of
very important part of our culture. It is not as
economically profitable as it used to be, so they make

(08:07):
a lot about the ratings, you know, and that really
doesn't affect the bottom line. So i'd rather have the
best guy maybe that doesn't quite have the ratings of
the other guy.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Hell, folks, I mean, there you have it.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
This the guy that hired Colbert the ratings don't matter.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Rush, of course was right as always. He had that
it's great how he talks about I was having this
conversation with a friend and and then I like, I
don't know if you noticed, we went from Rush, and
then we played the older clip of Rush, and we
changed the audio so you could tell it was a
little bit different, and then the audio of less moonbez

(08:44):
the idea that ratings don't matter anymore. If that's the case,
and if you take that as still the truth, because
I think that that pretty much is because Russia's point
is ratings don't matter that you otherwise CNN would be
off the air, MSNBC would be off the air. If
that's still the case, then something changed at the Colbert

(09:06):
Show and for them to just deep six all of it,
and I think that something is trump.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I literally it was going to tell you. Moments before
we jumped on the mics here, I got my email
blast from Bill O'Reilly about his column that came out today,
and I just want to read a little bit of
it because it goes to your point about the ratings.
It's titled a wake up Call for Late Night. The
once dominant network television media is completely falling apart. According

(09:35):
to the Nielsen ratings, fewer than twenty percent of Americans
now watch any network programming. Why because it's largely boring
and traditional Americans resent the liberal culture the networks embrace
all day, all night, woke on parade, political correctness run amuck.
And then he adds a little bit later in the column,
mister Colbert basically committed performance suicide when he took over

(09:59):
for David Letterman ten years ago. He was coming off
the red hot satire of John Stewart's Daily Show. Yes,
the boys were left handed pitchers, but they tamped down
the malice at least somewhat. I had a lot of
laughs debating Stuart. Over the past five years, Stephen Colbert
has lost more than a million viewers, his numbers descending
to just above two million households. Daily profits crashed. The

(10:22):
primary reason is Colbert's hatred for Trump and the Maga brigades.
So exactly what you were saying, Greg.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Last night's episode is a perfect example it encapsulates exactly,
and when we're recording this, this is the day after.
It encapsulates the entire problem because Colbert comes on and announces, Hey,
this is the end of our show. We're not going
to last beyond next May. And then who does he
have on is his primary guests?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
And you have the bite Adam Shift, shifty shift.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my gosh, pencil neck himself. And you've got to
hear You've got to hear this, because this is exactly
the problem in a nutshell, why Colbert is off the air.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
I was in Congress for but I don't know twenty
years before Trump came along, or stareabouts. If I got
threatened two or three times in twenty years, that was
a lot. If I got threatened two or three times
in a week during first Trump, it wasn't very much.
Ever since I led his first impeachment, he's threatened me

(11:24):
with jail and prosecution and called me a trader, excuse me,
a treat and blah blah blah. He coerced Republicans in
the centrum in the House, and now the latest attack
on me. So I just want to direct this if
this is the right camera, or maybe that's the right
camera camera there, Donald, piss off. But Donald, before you

(11:45):
piss off, would you release the Epstein files?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
But come on, I mean, really.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Really could you believe that? I mean, h pee off?
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, it's just And here's the thing to O'Reilly's point
in the column. I actually loved Jon Stewart in The
Daily Show. I listened all the time. I thought it
was really funny and it was witty and it was clever.
I can't even stomach two minutes of Stephen Colbert. I
I can't. I just can't. It's it's it's angry, it's

(12:18):
mean spirited.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
When Colbert was doing the Colbert Rapport before he came over,
he was totally poking fun at George W. Bush and
he was poking fun of conservatives and and and that
was fine. It was it was done. He was poking fun,
but it wasn't done in.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
A vicious way, vicious.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Kind of thank you, that's exactly the word I was
looking for. Yeah, exactly. So I think, yeah, he's definitely
lost something. I don't know where he's going to go
after this.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Oh he's going to go to Hollywood. It's going to
take care of him. They're going to circle, circle around,
and so.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
What is CBS going to do with that real estate? Though,
all of a sudden there's a there's an hour prime
time that's going to open up. I mean, I can't
imagine what that that. They're not going to fill it
with something else along those lines. I don't I just
don't know they're going to They're not going to do
like a nightline news sort of a program. I just
can't imagine what they do with that spot.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's an interesting question and audience, what do you think
they're going to do? Send us an email?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
What should they do? Maybe we could get the Claim
Buck show in.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Over there, send us a talkback, actually.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, send us talkbacks, go on the I heart my god.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Clay and Buck would make a great late night sho.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Would you imagine?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Hilarious?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
We should totally pitch.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Let's pitch that.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, you and everybody. You get on the emails and
get on the talkbacks and call the show. And you
suggested as well, and absolutely call CBS. Let's see if
we can get Clay and Buck to take that over.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
There, do late night. Oh that would be wonderful, a
lot of fun. Yeah, definitely, all right, Greg, Well, I
think we've covered it. This is the episode of Yeah,
a little Easter egg there, and uh, let's see what
sponsors should we talk about?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh we didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Oh I got for you. I got one because I
just got it yesterday. And the mail I got my
Cozy Earth.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Oh did you really?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Cozy Earth is our newest sponsor. Yeah, and it's basically
apparel and in true form to the title Cozy Earth.
It is cozy and it is cotton, and it is
comfortable and organic. I got my husband a pair of shorts,
a T shirt, a bunch of socks, and some joggers

(14:35):
and he loves it all. It's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So that's great.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm going to get myself some stuff next.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I'm going there this afternoon because I need some new
running shorts, so this is perfect. Then I'll head there
and pick them up.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And make sure you put Clay's name or Buck's name
into the promo code section when you're ordering, so you
get a little discount.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's great, that's all I want. Yeah, perfect? Well, thank you?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
All right? Well is it for this episode of After
Hours with producer.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Ali and producer Greg. Let's not wait so long before
we do this again next time.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I know, I know, we gotta get on that.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
We'll do this a little more frequently.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yes, all right, until next time. Thanks for tuning in.

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