In this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, Tudor sits down with New York Post columnist Miranda Devine to break down the latest developments in the Hunter Biden controversy and the media’s ongoing mishandling of the laptop story. They examine the Secret Service’s failures in the Thomas Crooks case, the broader issues of federal incompetence, and why America needs stronger threat-monitoring systems to prevent potential assassination attempts. Tudor and Miranda also explore what these failures mean for national security, government transparency, and the public’s right to the truth. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today we
have Miranda Divine. She is an award winning winning columnist
at the New York Post. Miranda, thank you so much
for being on today.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pleasure to be on with you, Tudor.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Your ears must have been ringing recently because the former
first son was chatting about you again. He doesn't really
like you. Have you noticed that?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, I wonder why.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I actually have the clip. I want to play it
really quick because I want to get your reaction. So
this is Hunter Biden. He's a little mad about the
laptop thing, still still his fault. But here it is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Here, here he goes, there's.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
No ethics in what, you know, like someone as horrendously
ugly as Miranda Divine physically and in terms of her uh,
in terms of rathics, it does. I mean she is
you know, a and and and that goes for you know,
(00:55):
you know, I mean daily mail and you know, but
I mean they're horse, I mean their horse for money.
And you know she does it because she makes money.
And you know when when she goes to sleep at night,
and I'm sure she sleeps just fine. You know, I
don't know anybody that's going to be more than her
when she's gone.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think, person, first of all, you're gorgeous. Secondly, it's
so funny how you actually do report for money. That's
called a job, but Hunter might not know what a
job is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.
I mean, look, he's he's a damaged, broken person, and
he's lashing out, and he's now decided that because his
father's no longer relevant, that he's going to try and
grab some limelight by going on these podcasts. And I'm
(01:47):
not sure what he's doing to support himself or whether
he's got you know, hidden pots of money somewhere. But
you know, I don't wish him any harm. I understand
he you know, he's upset about the way his father
was dispatched and the way things turned out for him.
(02:08):
But he got a pardon. You know, his father gave
him a pardon going right back to twenty fourteen, and
you know, he made tens of millions of dollars off
his father's name with his father's help, influence, pedaling around
the world, causing great damage to America's good name and
potentially to America's national security. So I just don't really
(02:33):
have much time for any of the bidens. I've written
as much as I could, you know, find out about
them in two books and all my reporting. I think
that at least the American people now know that Joe
Biden who he really was or is not, you know,
honest Joe, modest, Joe the poorest man in Congress, as
(02:58):
he made out he was a great father, that none
of those things is true. So I think for history,
at least, you know, even if no one's going to jail,
at least people know really the full story about Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And you make such a good point. He's upset about
how his father was pushed kind of out of the presidency,
but it's not because of the laptop. That's the interesting
part about it. He actually, after this was all revealed,
his father still got elected. He still had the mainstream
media that covered, I mean, and they really covered and lied,
and then they continued lying. For Kamala Harris, that's the
(03:35):
thing that shocks me is that he could say anything
when they have this. Anybody who reports the truth is
a whore, but anybody who covers for them is their
best friend.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, and pure of ethics. Y. Yes, I mean yes,
the story of the laptop. We didn't have all of it,
but we had. You know, Rudy Giuliani had been given
the hard drive copy of the laptop by the Laptop
Prepare shop owner John Paul macaaac. A hero. Rudy's a hero.
(04:09):
And you know, we reported what we could and what
we had at the time. Three weeks before the election,
My brilliant colleague, Emma Joe Morris, who's now moved on
to bigger and better things, but she and Gabrielle fon
Rouge pretty much laid out the tale of the laptop
(04:31):
and the most egregious or some of the most egregious
elements in there that were very damaging or should have
been damaging to Joe Biden because he'd told us throughout
the campaign that he knew nothing about his son Hunters
overseas business dealings. And you know, our very first story
(04:51):
on October fourteen of twenty twenty was about Joe Biden
meeting with Hunter's Ukrainian business partner in Washington when he
was vice president, and Joe Biden never you know, admitted
to it at the time, and the rest of the
media covered up and Big Tech censored us and the
dirty fifty one fifty one former intelligence officials were asked
(05:16):
by Anthony Blincoln, who was then Joe Biden's campaign senior
campaign official, to write this dishonest letter saying that the
laptop and therefore our reporting was Russian disinformation. And it
all went away and Joe Biden suffered no consequences and
he won the election. Well, he became president, let's say,
(05:41):
thanks to you know, these dirty tricks, and then they
just covered everything up. And it's really egregious that even
now the media hasn't fully you know, that sort of
August institutional media like the New York Times and the
Washington Post has never really come to grips with the
(06:04):
lies that they told about the laptop, about Russia Gate,
the Russia Gate hoax, the complete cart launch they gave
to Donald Trump's enemies in the CIA, in the FBI,
the sort of deep state operatives who are undermining him
from day one, even before he was elected, and concocted
(06:25):
the lies about Russia. And you know, I think ultimately
the failure of the media is as big a story
here as the malfeasance of the deep state, and these institutions,
and also I think the weakness of many Republicans, and
you're better placed to talk about that, but I just
(06:46):
see now with the seditious six that there are Republican
members of Congress who are defending people like Mark Kelly
and Maggie Goodlander and others who who you know, just
were inciting the military and the intelligence community to be
(07:07):
insubordinate at the very least and defy orders from the
commander in chief, President Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, this is I mean, we have people doing videos
on it now. I mean, this is a normal thing
for members of Congress now to say go against the
commander in chief. We just saw Alissa Slakin doing this,
and now we have Mark Kelly and people are saying
this is fine. And I I still can't believe that
this is where we are, that we are accepting of this,
(07:36):
and that Democrats don't push back on this and say
if you do this now, this will happen when we're
in church. They don't care. And I just want to say, because.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It won't happen because the Republicans don't break the rules
and they don't play dirty. They still there are some
Republicans who still think that they have to play by
the Marquis of Queensburry rules and do everything by the
book and abide by tradition, such as, you know, not
abolishing the filibusta. And it seems like they still think
(08:06):
that we're in sort of twenty twenty fifteen. Everything's changed,
And so.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I want to talk about how even because I think
this goes into this whole story that you've been reporting
on with Thomas Crooks, there is a lot of information
about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump that we were
not told, that was hidden. And the interesting part about
this is that I see people going wild about the
(08:35):
Epstein files, and yet we had an attempted assassination on
our president and at the time, a former president and
a candidate for president, and a man was killed, two
other men were shot. There is a ton of information
about this. He was young, a young man who did this,
and yet this hasn't come out. And the fact of
(08:57):
the matter is he should have been underwatch, and he
should have been he should never have been able to
get to the president.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, yes, and I mean the catastrophe of choices made
by the Secret Service, their uttering competence, if that's just
what it was, that allowed that twenty year old Thomas
Crooks to get onto a roof above a rally where
President Trump was speaking in Butler, Pennsylvania and fire off
(09:27):
eight shots before he was shot dead himself. It kind
of defies belief. But then sort of compounding that problem
is why was Thomas Crooks never picked up as a
potential threat when he was online in public forums using
(09:47):
his own name Thomas Crooks on seventeen different platforms that
our source has found.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But we were told there was no there was no
footprint online of this guy, which that was what shocked me.
And I read that not only was there a digital trail,
but it was of violent threats and extremist ideology and
he had already talked about murder and assassinations and he
was like regularly talking about this.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't know where the idea came from that
he had no digital footprint, because even the past FBI
Biden's FBI in the two weeks after Butler, we had
Christopher Ray testify and also paul Abate, then the deputy
director of the FBI testified, and Paula Bate did say
that they had found some social media of Crooks with
(10:37):
more than seven hundred comments, which I assume is the
YouTube that our source found because there are like seven
hundred and thirty five some odd comments from Crooks on there,
so I assume he's talking about that. So I don't
think the FBI was specifically saying there's nothing. But what
(10:58):
Paula Bate did that I think was very misleading to Congress,
and you know, a lie by omission was not to mention.
He sort of gave the impression that Crooks was just
this sort of far right, anti Semitic, you know, pro
Trump person or not. You didn't say pro Trump, but
andti Smidic, you know, far right person, and so, you know,
(11:21):
just didn't like government. And so I think that's misleading
because what you see from the digital footprint that was
discovered by our source is that sure that was Crooks
up until December of twenty nineteen. For you know, when
he was fifteen, sixteen seventeen, posting all the time, he
hated Ilin Ohmer, he hated the squad, murder the Democrats,
(11:45):
all these vicious violent ways. He wanted them all to
die and be killed and murdered. That was all very open.
But then in January twenty twenty, he flips and he
goes from being really pro Trump, just saying he's the
definition of patriotism and what a great guy he is.
And then January twenty twenty, he suddenly becomes harshly critical
(12:07):
of Trump. He's anti Trump. And then he becomes increasingly
more violent in his rhetoric and starts talking about you know,
there's a post long post where he talks about assassinating
politicians and political leaders, and he's saying, you know, you
can only get power through the muzzle of a garnetc.
And he's talking about using an AR fifteen. Now, all
(12:31):
of those should have been flashing neon lights to the
multiple intelligence agencies, seventeen of them that Americans pay billions
of dollars every year to fund, and all there at
the intelligence divisions of all the different law enforcement agencies,
including the Capitol Police, that should have been on the ball.
(12:55):
Capital Police says its own intelligence division, which does use
web crawling type software to look through public comments.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So this is something that we when we are just
writing out on our social media, all these posts, they
are actively being watched by the government. This is not
like now, if you see something extreme, it's going to
be found.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, not when watched like cash Betellis said, Oh, we
can't spy on people. This is just software that just
looks through public information, not looking at your private email.
It's looking at when you post.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
When you post.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Thomas Crooks posts publicly on YouTube for anyone in the
world to see. You've got this web crawling software that
looks for names of the Capitol Police Intelligence Division, looking
for names of members of Congress five hundred and thirty five,
whatever they are, and their families. They're supposed to be
protecting them, so look for their names, particularly members of
(13:54):
the Squad. I'm told, members of the Squad, members of
the Freedom Caucus who are very prominent, volatile, sort of
controversial say and any any words associated with them that
are violent, like that Crooks used murder, you know, hang, burn, body, death, kill, assassinate.
(14:15):
Those words associated with the names of members of Congress
should at the very least have triggered some warning inside
the Capitol Police.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You're saying that there is this
software software that is protecting members of Congress, that you've
heard that the squad is more actively searched than others
because of their kind of their I guess rhetoric is
(14:49):
a little bit more heightened, so they're watching that for
that more closely. I just want to quite not quite okay,
what are you saying, because I'm like, they're telling us
like we don't need the police, but they have some
even monitoring social media.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yet there is an intelligence division of the Capitol Police,
and I'm told by a former high level Capital Police
person that they actively have as a priority they protect
all members of Congress, but as a priority, the more
volatile ones who do get death threats, et cetera, they
(15:30):
are you know, they're somehow elevated to even more protective status,
and that this person didn't know exactly what the software is,
but said, all law enforcement uses web crawling type software
and they're different names for them. And it just twenty
(15:50):
four seven. No one's looking at it. It just goes
through and if it finds it's like when you do
a Google search for a particular term and it just
sends you updates. Oh we just found Tutor Dixon's name
in this story, right, so same thing. So it's very benign.
It just goes through public posts, but if it finds
(16:12):
the combination. It's just simple. You go, like with the
Google search, you go elan Omer and and then you
just have all these words that might indicate a threat.
And if it comes up positive, as it would have
in the case of Thomas Crooks a million times over,
then that should flag extra scrutiny for Thomas Crooks. And
(16:35):
it's not just the Capitol Police which should have been
flagged because of elan Omer. You know, the FBI. I
don't know it with it as much detail because they
won't talk to me about it. But what the FBI does,
but you know, we're told that from the Secret Service
and the FBI that Thomas Crooks never came on their
(16:55):
radar before. Butler if he.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Didn't, but he should have, Yeah, because he he had.
He threatened before. He when he liked Trump, he threatened
the squad and openly threatened the squad. When heed he
hated Trump, he went against him and he threatened him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, he didn't actually stay I want to kill Trump.
But he talked about assassinating political leaders and military leaders.
And so if you looked at his rhetoric in the
month in the months between January of twenty twenty and
August of twenty twenty, you could assume that he was
going to go. If he was going to kill anybody,
(17:36):
try to kill anyone, it would be likely that President
Trump would be on his list of victims. But I mean,
I've only got a you know, the minimal amount that
was discovered by my source using open source, and you
know the sort of tools available to private investigators. We
(17:59):
don't have the story. We don't have you know, Thomas
Crook's devices, his Google searchers, his encrypted apps, all of
the information that the FBI has. And I don't understand
since Thomas Crooks is dead, since the FBI is telling
us and has always told us, that he acted alone,
since they're saying there's no foreign involvement, and effectively the
(18:23):
case is closed, although cash Bettel says it's sort of,
you know, en dormant pending if more information comes in,
but they're not actively investigating. So I do not understand
why more information, a full report has not been given
to the American people, and particularly two members of Congress,
like Senator Johnson, like Pat Fallon, like others who have
(18:46):
complained about being quote stonewalled by the FBI, including Trump's FBI.
And you know, the fact that Ron Johnson in July,
on the twelfth month anniversary of Butler, had to actually
subpoena Cash Btel because he was so frustrated that he
hadn't received any of the information that he'd been asking
(19:06):
for for a year is pretty telling. And I think
the reaction of Cash Betel and Dan Bongino to people
like me in terms of trying to discredit us and
shoot the messenger while at the same time confirming everything
that we've said after the fact that we've reported, I
think is also questionable. I don't, I honestly do not
(19:28):
understand it. And I think that you know, at the
very least, the President, Helen Comparatory, the widow of Corey,
and the two men who were badly injured by Thomas
Crooks deserve more information. And I also think that this,
as Chris Wecker has said former I think he assistant
(19:49):
director of the FBO or senior official, as he has said,
this should be a learning moment and a time for
the FBI to teach the public about what to look for.
You know, when these young men go off the rails,
and we've had several of them commit all sorts of
you know, assassinations and school shootings, et cetera. And they
(20:12):
all seem to fit a similar pattern. So you know,
what are the websites they're going on. What should parents
look for? We're all in the dark, and you know,
I don't think we can expect that the FBI is
going to be everywhere, but you've got the American public
all the eyes and ears that should be there able
to give, you know, give a warning if somebody like it,
(20:36):
Thomas Crooks is sailing under the radar.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, almost seems like there should be a new department
within the FBI that is just researching these weird threats
that seems like, I mean, it does generally seem like
it's young men. I'll just ask you one more thing
before I let you go. I know we're in a hurry.
Did it seem odd that his body was they got
rid of the party as quickly as they did.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, did, And certainly Clay Higgins thought it was really odd.
Cash Battell addressed that in He's done two interviews in
the last few days, and he said, would you say
he said, I think it was Cash. I might have
been Dan Bongino. Anyway, what they said was they have
to release the crime scene, and they you know, they
(21:21):
had to look at some point, they've got to release it,
and they released it in normal They've got all the
forensics they needed, and so they needed to wash the
blood off, you know. So I mean, fair enough, maybe
that is the case, and but I'm glad that they're
telling us that. But I don't know why it's taken
sixteen months to tell us when you know, all the
conspiracy theories have flowed, and that included the cleansing of
(21:45):
the roof and the fact that the body Crooks's body
was cremated a few days later. Again, I think either
Cash Battel or Dan Borgino's addressed that in just the
recent days, saying again that they had to release the
body after the autopsy to the family and they decided
to cremate it. Fine, I just I just think that
(22:06):
there's a lot of questions also about the actual autopsy.
I haven't I haven't actually been able to check this
out properly yet, but you know, I have been contacted
by a couple of doctors who find that the autopsy
results into into Crooks are missing something. So I don't
know why that would be or if that really is
(22:27):
the case, trying to trying to track that down before
I report it out. But you know, again into a vacuum,
all these questions come, and sometimes people, you know, answer
questions and they're completely wrong and it becomes a massive
conspiracy theory, and I think we should all try to
(22:48):
avoid that. So maybe there just isn't a mechanism yet,
and there should be a mechanism to answer these questions.
I know in Australia and in England, there's a thing called,
you know, a coronial inquest in these kind of deaths
or these like a Thomas Crook's death or Charlie Kirk's death,
and that operates in parallel to any law enforcement investigation
(23:11):
and actually tracks down all the circumstances of the death
and then puts that out publicly so that people can
see exactly what happened and that allays fears and prevents
these crazy conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, Miranda Devine, we are so blessed to have you
because you are always chasing it down. And forget about
Hunter Biden, he doesn't know what he's talking about. We
are so thrilled that you are the person that puts
the facts out there, and I'm so grateful for you
that you came onto the podcast today. Thank you so much,
thank you Tudor absolutely, and thank you all for joining
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Make sure you join us next time,
(23:46):
and have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today we
have Miranda Divine. She is an award winning winning columnist
at the New York Post. Miranda, thank you so much
for being on today.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pleasure to be on with you, Tudor.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Your ears must have been ringing recently because the former
first son was chatting about you again. He doesn't really
like you. Have you noticed that?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, I wonder why.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I actually have the clip. I want to play it
really quick because I want to get your reaction. So
this is Hunter Biden. He's a little mad about the
laptop thing, still still his fault. But here it is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Here, here he goes, there's.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
No ethics in what, you know, like someone as horrendously
ugly as Miranda Divine physically and in terms of her uh,
in terms of rathics, it does. I mean she is
you know, a and and and that goes for you know,
(00:55):
you know, I mean daily mail and you know, but
I mean they're horse, I mean their horse for money.
And you know she does it because she makes money.
And you know when when she goes to sleep at night,
and I'm sure she sleeps just fine. You know, I
don't know anybody that's going to be more than her
when she's gone.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think, person, first of all, you're gorgeous. Secondly, it's
so funny how you actually do report for money. That's
called a job, but Hunter might not know what a
job is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.
I mean, look, he's he's a damaged, broken person, and
he's lashing out, and he's now decided that because his
father's no longer relevant, that he's going to try and
grab some limelight by going on these podcasts. And I'm
(01:47):
not sure what he's doing to support himself or whether
he's got you know, hidden pots of money somewhere. But
you know, I don't wish him any harm. I understand
he you know, he's upset about the way his father
was dispatched and the way things turned out for him.
(02:08):
But he got a pardon. You know, his father gave
him a pardon going right back to twenty fourteen, and
you know, he made tens of millions of dollars off
his father's name with his father's help, influence, pedaling around
the world, causing great damage to America's good name and
potentially to America's national security. So I just don't really
(02:33):
have much time for any of the bidens. I've written
as much as I could, you know, find out about
them in two books and all my reporting. I think
that at least the American people now know that Joe
Biden who he really was or is not, you know,
honest Joe, modest, Joe the poorest man in Congress, as
(02:58):
he made out he was a great father, that none
of those things is true. So I think for history,
at least, you know, even if no one's going to jail,
at least people know really the full story about Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And you make such a good point. He's upset about
how his father was pushed kind of out of the presidency,
but it's not because of the laptop. That's the interesting
part about it. He actually, after this was all revealed,
his father still got elected. He still had the mainstream
media that covered, I mean, and they really covered and lied,
and then they continued lying. For Kamala Harris, that's the
(03:35):
thing that shocks me is that he could say anything
when they have this. Anybody who reports the truth is
a whore, but anybody who covers for them is their
best friend.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, and pure of ethics. Y. Yes, I mean yes,
the story of the laptop. We didn't have all of it,
but we had. You know, Rudy Giuliani had been given
the hard drive copy of the laptop by the Laptop
Prepare shop owner John Paul macaaac. A hero. Rudy's a hero.
(04:09):
And you know, we reported what we could and what
we had at the time. Three weeks before the election,
My brilliant colleague, Emma Joe Morris, who's now moved on
to bigger and better things, but she and Gabrielle fon
Rouge pretty much laid out the tale of the laptop
(04:31):
and the most egregious or some of the most egregious
elements in there that were very damaging or should have
been damaging to Joe Biden because he'd told us throughout
the campaign that he knew nothing about his son Hunters
overseas business dealings. And you know, our very first story
(04:51):
on October fourteen of twenty twenty was about Joe Biden
meeting with Hunter's Ukrainian business partner in Washington when he
was vice president, and Joe Biden never you know, admitted
to it at the time, and the rest of the
media covered up and Big Tech censored us and the
dirty fifty one fifty one former intelligence officials were asked
(05:16):
by Anthony Blincoln, who was then Joe Biden's campaign senior
campaign official, to write this dishonest letter saying that the
laptop and therefore our reporting was Russian disinformation. And it
all went away and Joe Biden suffered no consequences and
he won the election. Well, he became president, let's say,
(05:41):
thanks to you know, these dirty tricks, and then they
just covered everything up. And it's really egregious that even
now the media hasn't fully you know, that sort of
August institutional media like the New York Times and the
Washington Post has never really come to grips with the
(06:04):
lies that they told about the laptop, about Russia Gate,
the Russia Gate hoax, the complete cart launch they gave
to Donald Trump's enemies in the CIA, in the FBI,
the sort of deep state operatives who are undermining him
from day one, even before he was elected, and concocted
(06:25):
the lies about Russia. And you know, I think ultimately
the failure of the media is as big a story
here as the malfeasance of the deep state, and these institutions,
and also I think the weakness of many Republicans, and
you're better placed to talk about that, but I just
(06:46):
see now with the seditious six that there are Republican
members of Congress who are defending people like Mark Kelly
and Maggie Goodlander and others who who you know, just
were inciting the military and the intelligence community to be
(07:07):
insubordinate at the very least and defy orders from the
commander in chief, President Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, this is I mean, we have people doing videos
on it now. I mean, this is a normal thing
for members of Congress now to say go against the
commander in chief. We just saw Alissa Slakin doing this,
and now we have Mark Kelly and people are saying
this is fine. And I I still can't believe that
this is where we are, that we are accepting of this,
(07:36):
and that Democrats don't push back on this and say
if you do this now, this will happen when we're
in church. They don't care. And I just want to say, because.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It won't happen because the Republicans don't break the rules
and they don't play dirty. They still there are some
Republicans who still think that they have to play by
the Marquis of Queensburry rules and do everything by the
book and abide by tradition, such as, you know, not
abolishing the filibusta. And it seems like they still think
(08:06):
that we're in sort of twenty twenty fifteen. Everything's changed,
And so.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I want to talk about how even because I think
this goes into this whole story that you've been reporting
on with Thomas Crooks, there is a lot of information
about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump that we were
not told, that was hidden. And the interesting part about
this is that I see people going wild about the
(08:35):
Epstein files, and yet we had an attempted assassination on
our president and at the time, a former president and
a candidate for president, and a man was killed, two
other men were shot. There is a ton of information
about this. He was young, a young man who did this,
and yet this hasn't come out. And the fact of
(08:57):
the matter is he should have been underwatch, and he
should have been he should never have been able to
get to the president.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, yes, and I mean the catastrophe of choices made
by the Secret Service, their uttering competence, if that's just
what it was, that allowed that twenty year old Thomas
Crooks to get onto a roof above a rally where
President Trump was speaking in Butler, Pennsylvania and fire off
(09:27):
eight shots before he was shot dead himself. It kind
of defies belief. But then sort of compounding that problem
is why was Thomas Crooks never picked up as a
potential threat when he was online in public forums using
(09:47):
his own name Thomas Crooks on seventeen different platforms that
our source has found.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But we were told there was no there was no
footprint online of this guy, which that was what shocked me.
And I read that not only was there a digital trail,
but it was of violent threats and extremist ideology and
he had already talked about murder and assassinations and he
was like regularly talking about this.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't know where the idea came from that
he had no digital footprint, because even the past FBI
Biden's FBI in the two weeks after Butler, we had
Christopher Ray testify and also paul Abate, then the deputy
director of the FBI testified, and Paula Bate did say
that they had found some social media of Crooks with
(10:37):
more than seven hundred comments, which I assume is the
YouTube that our source found because there are like seven
hundred and thirty five some odd comments from Crooks on there,
so I assume he's talking about that. So I don't
think the FBI was specifically saying there's nothing. But what
(10:58):
Paula Bate did that I think was very misleading to Congress,
and you know, a lie by omission was not to mention.
He sort of gave the impression that Crooks was just
this sort of far right, anti Semitic, you know, pro
Trump person or not. You didn't say pro Trump, but
andti Smidic, you know, far right person, and so, you know,
(11:21):
just didn't like government. And so I think that's misleading
because what you see from the digital footprint that was
discovered by our source is that sure that was Crooks
up until December of twenty nineteen. For you know, when
he was fifteen, sixteen seventeen, posting all the time, he
hated Ilin Ohmer, he hated the squad, murder the Democrats,
(11:45):
all these vicious violent ways. He wanted them all to
die and be killed and murdered. That was all very open.
But then in January twenty twenty, he flips and he
goes from being really pro Trump, just saying he's the
definition of patriotism and what a great guy he is.
And then January twenty twenty, he suddenly becomes harshly critical
(12:07):
of Trump. He's anti Trump. And then he becomes increasingly
more violent in his rhetoric and starts talking about you know,
there's a post long post where he talks about assassinating
politicians and political leaders, and he's saying, you know, you
can only get power through the muzzle of a garnetc.
And he's talking about using an AR fifteen. Now, all
(12:31):
of those should have been flashing neon lights to the
multiple intelligence agencies, seventeen of them that Americans pay billions
of dollars every year to fund, and all there at
the intelligence divisions of all the different law enforcement agencies,
including the Capitol Police, that should have been on the ball.
(12:55):
Capital Police says its own intelligence division, which does use
web crawling type software to look through public comments.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So this is something that we when we are just
writing out on our social media, all these posts, they
are actively being watched by the government. This is not
like now, if you see something extreme, it's going to
be found.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, not when watched like cash Betellis said, Oh, we
can't spy on people. This is just software that just
looks through public information, not looking at your private email.
It's looking at when you post.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
When you post.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Thomas Crooks posts publicly on YouTube for anyone in the
world to see. You've got this web crawling software that
looks for names of the Capitol Police Intelligence Division, looking
for names of members of Congress five hundred and thirty five,
whatever they are, and their families. They're supposed to be
protecting them, so look for their names, particularly members of
(13:54):
the Squad. I'm told, members of the Squad, members of
the Freedom Caucus who are very prominent, volatile, sort of
controversial say and any any words associated with them that
are violent, like that Crooks used murder, you know, hang, burn, body, death, kill, assassinate.
(14:15):
Those words associated with the names of members of Congress
should at the very least have triggered some warning inside
the Capitol Police.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You're saying that there is this
software software that is protecting members of Congress, that you've
heard that the squad is more actively searched than others
because of their kind of their I guess rhetoric is
(14:49):
a little bit more heightened, so they're watching that for
that more closely. I just want to quite not quite okay,
what are you saying, because I'm like, they're telling us
like we don't need the police, but they have some
even monitoring social media.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yet there is an intelligence division of the Capitol Police,
and I'm told by a former high level Capital Police
person that they actively have as a priority they protect
all members of Congress, but as a priority, the more
volatile ones who do get death threats, et cetera, they
(15:30):
are you know, they're somehow elevated to even more protective status,
and that this person didn't know exactly what the software is,
but said, all law enforcement uses web crawling type software
and they're different names for them. And it just twenty
(15:50):
four seven. No one's looking at it. It just goes
through and if it finds it's like when you do
a Google search for a particular term and it just
sends you updates. Oh we just found Tutor Dixon's name
in this story, right, so same thing. So it's very benign.
It just goes through public posts, but if it finds
(16:12):
the combination. It's just simple. You go, like with the
Google search, you go elan Omer and and then you
just have all these words that might indicate a threat.
And if it comes up positive, as it would have
in the case of Thomas Crooks a million times over,
then that should flag extra scrutiny for Thomas Crooks. And
(16:35):
it's not just the Capitol Police which should have been
flagged because of elan Omer. You know, the FBI. I
don't know it with it as much detail because they
won't talk to me about it. But what the FBI does,
but you know, we're told that from the Secret Service
and the FBI that Thomas Crooks never came on their
(16:55):
radar before. Butler if he.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Didn't, but he should have, Yeah, because he he had.
He threatened before. He when he liked Trump, he threatened
the squad and openly threatened the squad. When heed he
hated Trump, he went against him and he threatened him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, he didn't actually stay I want to kill Trump.
But he talked about assassinating political leaders and military leaders.
And so if you looked at his rhetoric in the
month in the months between January of twenty twenty and
August of twenty twenty, you could assume that he was
going to go. If he was going to kill anybody,
(17:36):
try to kill anyone, it would be likely that President
Trump would be on his list of victims. But I mean,
I've only got a you know, the minimal amount that
was discovered by my source using open source, and you
know the sort of tools available to private investigators. We
(17:59):
don't have the story. We don't have you know, Thomas
Crook's devices, his Google searchers, his encrypted apps, all of
the information that the FBI has. And I don't understand
since Thomas Crooks is dead, since the FBI is telling
us and has always told us, that he acted alone,
since they're saying there's no foreign involvement, and effectively the
(18:23):
case is closed, although cash Bettel says it's sort of,
you know, en dormant pending if more information comes in,
but they're not actively investigating. So I do not understand
why more information, a full report has not been given
to the American people, and particularly two members of Congress,
like Senator Johnson, like Pat Fallon, like others who have
(18:46):
complained about being quote stonewalled by the FBI, including Trump's FBI.
And you know, the fact that Ron Johnson in July,
on the twelfth month anniversary of Butler, had to actually
subpoena Cash Btel because he was so frustrated that he
hadn't received any of the information that he'd been asking
(19:06):
for for a year is pretty telling. And I think
the reaction of Cash Betel and Dan Bongino to people
like me in terms of trying to discredit us and
shoot the messenger while at the same time confirming everything
that we've said after the fact that we've reported, I
think is also questionable. I don't, I honestly do not
(19:28):
understand it. And I think that you know, at the
very least, the President, Helen Comparatory, the widow of Corey,
and the two men who were badly injured by Thomas
Crooks deserve more information. And I also think that this,
as Chris Wecker has said former I think he assistant
(19:49):
director of the FBO or senior official, as he has said,
this should be a learning moment and a time for
the FBI to teach the public about what to look for.
You know, when these young men go off the rails,
and we've had several of them commit all sorts of
you know, assassinations and school shootings, et cetera. And they
(20:12):
all seem to fit a similar pattern. So you know,
what are the websites they're going on. What should parents
look for? We're all in the dark, and you know,
I don't think we can expect that the FBI is
going to be everywhere, but you've got the American public
all the eyes and ears that should be there able
to give, you know, give a warning if somebody like it,
(20:36):
Thomas Crooks is sailing under the radar.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, almost seems like there should be a new department
within the FBI that is just researching these weird threats
that seems like, I mean, it does generally seem like
it's young men. I'll just ask you one more thing
before I let you go. I know we're in a hurry.
Did it seem odd that his body was they got
rid of the party as quickly as they did.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, did, And certainly Clay Higgins thought it was really odd.
Cash Battell addressed that in He's done two interviews in
the last few days, and he said, would you say
he said, I think it was Cash. I might have
been Dan Bongino. Anyway, what they said was they have
to release the crime scene, and they you know, they
(21:21):
had to look at some point, they've got to release it,
and they released it in normal They've got all the
forensics they needed, and so they needed to wash the
blood off, you know. So I mean, fair enough, maybe
that is the case, and but I'm glad that they're
telling us that. But I don't know why it's taken
sixteen months to tell us when you know, all the
conspiracy theories have flowed, and that included the cleansing of
(21:45):
the roof and the fact that the body Crooks's body
was cremated a few days later. Again, I think either
Cash Battel or Dan Borgino's addressed that in just the
recent days, saying again that they had to release the
body after the autopsy to the family and they decided
to cremate it. Fine, I just I just think that
(22:06):
there's a lot of questions also about the actual autopsy.
I haven't I haven't actually been able to check this
out properly yet, but you know, I have been contacted
by a couple of doctors who find that the autopsy
results into into Crooks are missing something. So I don't
know why that would be or if that really is
(22:27):
the case, trying to trying to track that down before
I report it out. But you know, again into a vacuum,
all these questions come, and sometimes people, you know, answer
questions and they're completely wrong and it becomes a massive
conspiracy theory, and I think we should all try to
(22:48):
avoid that. So maybe there just isn't a mechanism yet,
and there should be a mechanism to answer these questions.
I know in Australia and in England, there's a thing called,
you know, a coronial inquest in these kind of deaths
or these like a Thomas Crook's death or Charlie Kirk's death,
and that operates in parallel to any law enforcement investigation
(23:11):
and actually tracks down all the circumstances of the death
and then puts that out publicly so that people can
see exactly what happened and that allays fears and prevents
these crazy conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, Miranda Devine, we are so blessed to have you
because you are always chasing it down. And forget about
Hunter Biden, he doesn't know what he's talking about. We
are so thrilled that you are the person that puts
the facts out there, and I'm so grateful for you
that you came onto the podcast today. Thank you so much,
thank you Tudor absolutely, and thank you all for joining
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Make sure you join us next time,
(23:46):
and have a blessed day.
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