December 1, 2025 • 60 mins
Clay and Buck detail the high-stakes special election in Tennessee’s 7th Congressional District, where Republican candidate Matt Van Epps faces a well-funded Democratic challenger. Clay urges voter turnout, warning that Democrats are “playing with house money” to flip a deep-red district for narrative momentum ahead of the midterms. President Trump’s endorsement of Van Epps is featured, along with an analysis of why Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is campaigning in Nashville. The discussion underscores how even one seat could impact the GOP’s razor-thin majority.
Clay and Buck feature an exclusive interview featuring Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Republican candidate Matt Van Epps, who are campaigning across the district to ensure a GOP victory. Both stress the urgency of voter turnout, warning that Democrats are investing heavily to flip this deep-red seat and create a national narrative shift ahead of the midterms. President Trump’s endorsement and personal involvement underscore the race’s significance, as does Speaker Johnson’s presence on the ground. Van Epps details his platform and contrasts it sharply with his opponent, Afton Bain, citing her support for defunding police, abolishing prisons, transgender surgeries for minors without parental consent, and higher taxes to fund a socialist agenda. The discussion also highlights the district’s geography—spanning 14 counties from downtown Nashville to rural farming communities—and the cultural values Van Epps vows to defend.
The hosts dissect a New York Times exposé on a billion-dollar fraud scheme involving Somali immigrants in Minnesota, raising questions about refugee resettlement, welfare abuse, and cultural assimilation. They argue for a merit-based immigration system that prioritizes highly skilled individuals over low-wage migrants, warning that America’s current policies import “cultural toxicity” and strain resources. Both hosts challenge the notion that “diversity is our strength,” advocating instead for shared Western values and a pause on mass immigration to protect national cohesion. They compare today’s immigration system to Ellis Island, noting how the welfare state has fundamentally changed incentives and created systemic abuse.
The guys interview psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert, author of Therapy Nation, who discusses the phenomenon of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Alpert explains how extreme political fixation has fractured families, impaired mental health, and created an epidemic of irrational fear and anger. He shares real-world examples of patients losing sleep, fleeing the country, and obsessing over Trump to the point of dysfunction. The discussion explores how social media echo chambers amplify these issues, why the mental health profession resists addressing them, and whether this obsessive behavior will persist beyond Trump’s presidency. Alpert warns that many individuals constantly seek new causes—whether BLM, anti-Israel protests, or other movements—to fill emotional voids, likening these cycles to “group therapy sessions that amount to nothing.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Whether you're lighting a candle on the Manora or placing
Baby Jesus in the Nativity. We hope your holiday is
full of grace, wonder and.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Love and maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and
happy Honikah from all of us at the Clay and.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Buck Show welcome in Monday after Thanksgiving. Addition, probably some
of you a little bit, a little bit maybe possibly
a little bit too much fun over the course of
the holiday weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I had an awesome time. Buck had an awesome time.
We hope all of you did. Traveled on the busiest
travel days of the year, and I thought everybody handled
themselves pretty well, at least based on the airports that
I was in. I imagine Buck, you found the same to
be true. It did not appear that there was any
sort of mass related issues when it came to travel,
(00:52):
with over eighty million of us projected to be on
the road, So I hope, friends, family, and I was
stunned how few people actually do play football on Thanksgiving Day.
I put up a poll on my own site, Buck
only sixteen percent of people join me in running around
and playing a family Thanksgiving game.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So football game. I watched a lot of football.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's pretty much all I did, Buck, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Did you watch any of the football at all? Did
you see any games going on over the course of
the weekend. Did your brothers or your dad kidnap you
and hold you hostage in front of the television at
any point?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I tried to turn on at one point when we
were all in Food Cooma some college football, and my
family mocked me and said, you don't have to pretend, Buck,
We'll just tell Clay that you watch some if he
asks us, And then we ended up I think turning
on Blue Form my little nephew. Oh yeah, I've heard
that's a killer show for all the kids out there. Yes,
(01:51):
so that was I learned about Blue Instead, we got.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
A lot to dive into. First of all, we are
praying for the the National guardsmen from West Virginia who
is still in critical condition after a deranged Afghan one
of the people who shouldn't have been led in this
country in the wake of Joe Biden's disastrous withdrawal from
Afghanistan after he was shot. We unfortunately lost the life
(02:18):
of a twenty year old service woman from West Virginia
that happened legitimately as the news was breaking as we
went off the air on Wednesday headed into the holiday.
So we will continue to monitor that positive news. It
appears the Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Russia peace talks have accelerated substantially and there may be
some positivity associated with where that is going. Gas prices
will tell you about this at four year lows. Many
of you may have noticed that as you were on
the road ninety percent of people were traveling via car
for Thanksgiving. But we began and we're going to talk
(02:55):
to him and the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
in about an hour from now. Matt Van Epps in
the Tennessee seventh Congressional district. He is running against a crazy, deranged,
lunatic woman from my living in my hometown of Nashville.
This is my congressional district.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I am going tomorrow morning to drop my son off
at school and then vote in the precinct at his school.
I will be voting for Matt Van Epps, the Republican.
I know everybody's still in the food coma, so to speak,
waking up from the Thanksgiving holiday, But if you are
in the Tennessee seventh congressional district. It is time to
get out and vote Tomorrow. We're going to talk with
(03:37):
Matt Van Epps, and like I said, Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson, who is here campaigning with him right
now in the Nashville area. We will talk to those
guys a little bit after one o'clock on the East coast,
so one hour from now. But President Trump has weighed
in on this race, and this is what he said
this morning over the phone at a rally for Matt
(04:00):
Van Epps.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Listen, cut one if you can go Matt Man Epps,
he's a winner. He's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Don't let this so for you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
The Democrats suspending.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
A fortune and we don't want people that want to
raise your taxes.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
She wants to raise your.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Taxes a top of birthday is but she said two
things above models that voted me. Number one, she hates Christianity.
Number two, she hates country music.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
How the hell can you elect.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
The persons like that?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I just want to get my total.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Support, and he's had it from right from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To Matt Man Apps, he's going to be a fantastic congressman.
He's going to represent you. So well, and we'll keep
barge into going.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
All right, so get out and vote. I am going
to be there. I'm telling you to do exactly what
I do. And look, my wife asked me about this
race yesterday because there's a lot of conversation obviously in
my circuit. She said, how worried should we be about
the outcome of this race? And Buck What I told
her is and this is, you know, kind of a
(05:03):
sports analogy Democrats are playing, or a gambling analogy. They're
playing with house money. They basically are pouring a ton
of money into this district. It should be a Trump
district through and through, it should be a Republican district,
but they're gambling on Republicans not showing up because it's
an awkwardly timed election because the district is brand new.
(05:24):
People have not even really gotten used to what congressional
district they're in because all these lines were redrawn in
twenty twenty two, and so they are basically gambling that
they can pull off the upset and embarrass Republicans and
set better momentum for themselves going into the midterms.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
In CIA analyst NERD School, we would call this low
probability high impact. It's unlikely that they'll be able to
take this seat, but if they did, it would give
a lot of momentum, at least psychologically and for fundraising
Democrats very early. We're already in a in a moment
(06:05):
here where people are thinking about the midterms. Yes, and
soon we're going to be in a midterm election year
just weeks away, really a couple of weeks a wee.
Because a lot of people, obviously Congress at the front
of the line, stop doing a whole lot of work
once we get close enough to the Christmas holiday and
to New Year's and so this is this is important also,
(06:25):
and I say this only half joking, they really want
to spike the football in Clay Candice, Tommy the Daily Wire,
et cetera, et Cetera's backyard, which would be true quite
a moment. So they're the Democrats. You could sort of
see the ads now and the way that they'll be
writing and talking about this. Oh, even with all of
(06:47):
this conservative media firepower concentrated in this very red state
of Tennessee, we're able to pull this off. The only
way they pull it off is if people just don't care,
don't show up that it's going to be fine. It's
right people decide that someone else is going to take
the time out of their day to make sure that
this lunatic aften bait. I mean, she is among the
(07:11):
craziest congressional candidates. She aoc look moderates. That's the person
that Democrats are running. I don't even think that's a
crazy take. And if they're able to sneak this one,
it is because people are still in their post turkey
and stuffing and candied yams and maybe even cobbler food
comas and not really focused on what's going on in
(07:34):
this one district. I understand for a lot of you're
like Bucket's one district, it's one seat. Yeah, but politics
is a lot about narrative and a lot about emotion,
and this is going to be held up as much
more important than it is. And it's going on. I mean,
we're we're in the heat of it, the thick of
it right now. So for all of you in this
seventh Congressional district, get it done, get out there. Don't
(07:58):
make Clay very sad with some Communist member of Congress
representing him. I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, this would be this is just like somebody
w I can't even imagine. I'm apoplectic at the idea, Buck,
that this crazy chick could be my congresswoman, that this
could in any way be allowed to occur is just
absolutely crazy to me. And so I think again, what
(08:23):
they are banking on is people not knowing they're in
this district, people who have been on the road. You're
focused on Thanksgiving, you're focused on your family, and you
aren't thinking about voting. So I would ask you go
look up and what's the worst case scenario. Go try
to vote. Go to your local polling place. That's what
I'm doing tomorrow. And if you are not in the district,
(08:45):
if they look you up and they say, hey, you're
actually in the sixth district or you're in the fifth
district because Nashville is cut in three different districts, then okay,
you did your due diligence. This is like I told
my wife. She got me Buck. Have you ever done
a TRX class? Have you ever done one of these bands?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You pull at the bands. I know I have not
done this one, but I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, So my wife got me in a TRX class
with her on Friday morning, so we walked in. Laura
is a ridiculous like Carrie, ridiculously good shape, like she
can do all the ridiculous you know, band work in
the TRX and uh, we were there and we walked
in and the class wasn't there yet. It was a
(09:28):
nine am class and I was like, you know, it
was eight fifty five. And Patrick, the guy who runs it,
wasn't there yet. And I said, maybe you got the
time wrong. Maybe maybe we're not going to have to
do this, and she said, you're hoping that the class
is not going on.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What I want is the credit for actually having shown
up in the in the at the workout at the gym,
and then the TRX class isn't actually going on. That
would be the best possible outcome for me. Now it
was going on. I labored my way through the TRX
class with the bands and everything else. My point on
(10:03):
that analogy is ninety percent of success is just showing up.
If you show up and you happen to not be
in the seventh Congressional District, you don't have to stand
in line. You just get to turn around. You don't
have to vote, You just get to turn around and
go back, but I'm gonna be there. I can't wait
to be able to go vote here and I'm gonna
be hopefully on Tuesday night when the results start to
(10:25):
come in, thankful that we kicked this crazy chicks ass.
I mean, this is the lead right now on MSNBC.
Buck They've got Aftonbaane on. This is their opening, this
is their you know, to your point, low probability, high impact.
This is them with all the chips in the table, saying, hey,
let's embarrass Republicans and steal a district. And this matters
(10:48):
if you're on the national scale. The reason Speaker Mike
Johnson is here and I bet he tells us this
next hour is it only takes a couple of people
getting sick or a couple of things going wrong when
your majority is this small, and you don't even have
a House majority this year. So that's also unfortunately, we
got a lot of congress people who were over seventy
years old. You've seen this happen. They have health related issues.
(11:10):
It doesn't take very much, all of a sudden you
don't have a majority anymore. So that's part of this
democratic calculus. I think as well.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Absolutely we'll be taking your calls. By that way. We
have missed chatting with all of you. We were away
from the show for a few days and it just
feels like a few days too long. So and also
a lot of stories, Clay, I'm just seeing here that
are going to be added into our mix today. Alina Habba,
they ruled against her in an appeals court in New
Jersey as the US attorney. They're saying that she is
(11:40):
not a lawfully appointed US attorney, So that's going to
get some attention. President Trump also weighing in on these
boat strikes in the Caribbean and the offer that was
made to President or from President Trump saw this, i'm
sure over the weekend to Maduro Venezuela, basically saying like
(12:01):
no sweetheart treatment here other than you can get out safely,
but you better get out. That's what's being reported.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Right now, and that is hard right now that there
is a meeting on Venezuela that's going to happen in
the Oval Office soon. What I would point out is
this reminds me a little bit of right before Israel
struck Iran, when they tried to say, hey, negotiations are
still ongoing, and then you looked up and all of
a sudden, the attack had already begun. I wonder on
(12:29):
some level whether they have already decided exactly what they
are going to do, and if that's true, what we
think about the Venezuela decision. I actually, and I don't
know what the percentages are here, but I think we
should take Maduro out. Ideally, he would leave of his
own volition. He lost the election, he's clung to power.
(12:50):
I know we have a lot of Venezuelan listeners, A
ton of them live close to where you are in Miami. Buck,
that would be able to tell us in great detail
how much of a difference that could make to stabilize
stabilizing Latin America so we don't have as many illegal
immigrants trying to come in the country. Tons of Venezuelans
just were fed up with the kleptocracy in their country.
(13:12):
Would also go a long way towards bringing down oil
prices even more because in the western hemisphere of Venezuela
is the highest producing country basically when it comes to
oil and gas, so there are a lot of American
interests there. In particular, I think it's Chevron basically had
the entire Venezuelan oil business, and then they tried to
(13:34):
turn it into a state owned business and all these
different things. So I do think that storyline is one
to pay a lot of attention to. We could have
an accelerating situation there, to say nothing of all the
drugs as a narco state that they are pouring in
here that are killing so many Americans every year.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean, you've got Canada and Brazil are big
oil producers and Venezuela's producer. Venezuela's production is way down,
but it has the largest proven reserve in the world,
so that is quite a prize. If that actually starts
getting going the way that it should without a lunatic
socialist running it, there's quite a deal to be made there.
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Speaker 1 (15:32):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Second hour Play and Buck kicks off right now, and
we're joined by Matt van Epps and Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We got a two for one special here today. Thank
you so much, gentlemen for making the time for us.
Appreciate you both.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Hey, guys, great to be with you. This is Mike
and Matt Vanepps is with me. We are traveling through Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He's got a big space national.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Election tomorrow, as you'll know, and we're gonna win this
for the country.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We absolutely have to. Mister Speaker, tell us what you're seeing,
what you're hearing. How the early turnout is looking well.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I won't speak for Matt here, but I'll tell you
it looks great to me. I landed here early this
morning and we are going to do a dozen events today.
We started with a big rally with hundreds of people.
There's a lot of enthusiasm. This is deep red country.
I mean, Tennessee is a rich state. He's in a
red district. It takes in parts of Nashville and then
fourteen counties overall. We're gonna make our way through all
(16:31):
of that today and people are excited.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
They know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We're talking with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. They
are right now in a car touring the district. Matth
Van Epps Tennessee seventh Congressional District and Speaker Mike Johnson
with us right now, and then we will talk with
Matt van Apps there together for people out there nationwide.
I know President Trump called in this morning. I believe
(16:58):
he's gonna call in later this year evening as well.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I will be voting.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
This is my district in the Nashville area, so we
will be there. Why does this race matter so much?
I think we have the speaker tell them the call back,
telling the call back. They're on the road campaigning. They
wanted to call in together, so we will get them back.
But you heard Speaker of the House Mike Johnson there.
And again the fact that we have the President calling
(17:24):
in this morning, calling in this evening, getting awareness out
that this race is taking place. It is a non
traditional time.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Again. Election day is tomorrow in this district, and they
got the President, They've got the Speaker in the district
going all over the place today. Awareness is probably the
most important part here. Sometimes you have to worry about
getting out the undecided voters. That's often how you win
swing districts. This is a Republican district. We just have
(17:52):
to make people aware that this election is taking place
and that they need to get out there and vote.
And that's a challenge, that's a little bit different. And
Democrats are gambling on their crazy cat lady contingent to
continue to show up. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
back with us. Now, big picture, I'm in this district,
mist or Speaker, I'm going to get out and vote.
(18:15):
I want everybody in Tennessee seven to get out and
support Matt Van Epps. Why is the president involved? Why
are you involved? Why is this district so important?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Well, this district is really does count for the whole country.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I've presided over some of the slimmest majorities, the delivered
huge wins despite that. But it illustrates the importance. I mean,
every single seat matters, and that's why we're so happy
to be with.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Let's let's bring in the future congressman. I believe he'll
be elected tomorrow. Matt Van Epps. What are you seeing
in terms of turnout? And if people are not aware,
if they're in this district, Matt, what would you tell
them they need to do? How do you find out?
Because it's still a new district. How do you find
out if you, like me, are in Tennessee seven.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Now, the information is on our website, Matt fortn dot com,
Matt fo rtn dot com. We've got all the election information.
Folks can find out where their polling location is. Links
to the Secretary of State's website, So if they go
to Mattfurtn dot com, they'll get that information.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
We are up right now.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
And we're gonna win when everybody gets out tomorrow. The
weather could be an issue, and we ask people just
to be safe, but to get out, have a plan,
get to the poll, and be a part of this
victory because it is for our country and we're going
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Matt. Why is it that whenever I am perusing as
one does, not just online, but occasionally I'll even go
and see what they're saying in the crazier corners of
the television world like ms now formerly known as MSNBC,
they seem very focused on this race and really want
to sneak this one, sneak this one out and take
(20:06):
this seat from you. What's going on? It's it's like
this is the biggest thing that they've seen since election Day.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Well, it's the only country. It's the only race going
right now in the country, and the Democrats are throwing
everything they have it and they're spending a lot of money.
They have Jasmine Crockett and a bunch of the far
left folks that are rallying AOC and it's in. It's
an ideology that we have to reject. And we'll do
(20:33):
that when folks get out and vote for us tomorrow.
I mean, you know, my opponent has been endorsed by
the Democratic Socialists of America once transgender surgery for minors
without parental consent, wants to raise our taxes, new taxes
that will skyrocket our inflation, and that's to pay for
the socialist agenda. We cannot let that happen. And when
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folks join our team, when all the Republicans, all of
the freedom loving Americans get out in the Tennessee seventh
Congressional District tomorrow and vote for us, well sure that
we win and we drive America first forward.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They were telling me guys that you guys have a
unique connection to the Army Navy game which is coming
up soon. I know the President I saw will be there.
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. And also, I believe
the next congressman from the seventh District of Tennessee, my Congressman,
Matt Van Epps, starting tomorrow, I hope.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
What is that connection in Army Navy? What's your bet here?
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Yeah, look, I'm gonna be with the President and the suite.
My son is a sophomore at the Naval Academy, but
Matt here is an Army ranger and he's a West
Point grad. So this is the one thing that he
and I are going to disagree on. Guys, I'm going
to say go Navy beat Army, and I'm going to
say go Army beat Navy.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, that's going to be an awesome event. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
The President's going to be there, speaking of which, I
don't know if you've waited on this, Speaker of the House,
Mike Johnson, Lane Kiffin, I bet Buck has even seen this.
It swept the nation. Lane Kiffin has left the old
Miss Rebels. He is now the LSU head football coach.
He's being introduced this afternoon. Huge story there. What's your
take on that as one of the post pressing issues
(22:13):
in the state of Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
For sure?
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Well, you know, I'm a double alum from LSU undergrad
and law school, so I bleed purple and gold, and
I told my governor and the president of the Board
of Supervisor down there, do I need to lobby Kiffin?
Do I need the lobby Kiffin? And they said no,
we think we got it, but we'll call you in
if necessary. It's a good choice for him. LSU, as
you know, is a premiere program. We should be in
the national championship every year.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I used to think Speaker of the House is the
most stressful job in the world, but it's really sec
football coach. You know that you gotta win every Saturday.
Every Saturday it's on the line. So best wishes to him.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's going to be great in co Tigers, we got
Let's come back to the Tennessee seventh there and I
know we had you on last week, Matt van Apps.
Can you tell everybody out there give us a rough
eye of the communities in this district because again a
lot of people may not know, and Republicans have to
(23:06):
battle Democrats who are gonna show up no matter what
the race is. They show up in these special elections
and big numbers We've got to make sure our people
know about this race tomorrow and also know if they're
in the district.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
And so we've got fourteen counties and it stretches. We've
got downtown Nashville. I love Nashville, by the way, I
love country music, and you know, and it stretches up
to Fort where Fort Campbell is Clarksville. I lived in
Clarksville for five years when I served in the one
sixties Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Montgomery County is a great county.
We've got part of Williamson down to Franklin, and then
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our western Borderer, Benton, Indicator, Stuart, Montgomery and Robertson. On
the north, we have Houston, Humphreys, Perry and Wayne, Hickman, Dixon, Cheatham, and.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's just a bunch.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Of amazing locations. We you know, we've got great rural
farmers are so important to us. We're just leaving an
event in Robertson County. We're going to one in Cheatham
County and that that will be top of our list.
Hardworking families, military veterans, folks that are active duty, National Guard,
law enforcement, just amazing communities across our fourteen counties, and
(24:22):
we're gonna be working hard every single day for every
one of those communities.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
What is the craziest stuff that people should know in
your district about your opponent Afton Vaine. I know you
have a lot to draw on here. Some of the
quotes alone are particularly memorable. That's one thing you could say.
But in terms of positions, in terms of what she represents,
if you were to give me a top three Afton
(24:47):
Bine hit list, what would be on it? Because it's
pretty extraordinary from what I can just pull off the
top of my head.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Well, in the you know, I alluded to the fact that,
you know, she's saying that she hates Nashville, the you know,
part of the district that she wants to represent. But
it goes much further than that. She wants to defund
the police. There's a whole anti law enforcement bucket. She
wants to defund the police, she wants to abolish prisons.
She was out as a sitting state legislator filming herself
(25:15):
bullying and harassing ice in the Tennessee Highway Patrol, which
is just unbelievable. It's disqualifying. So there's a whole bucket there,
she wants transgender surgery for minors without parental consent, believes
that men can get pregnant, and just you know, crazy.
And I think the other piece too is she wants
(25:36):
to do and hire taxes to fund her socialist agenda
that will skyrocket our cost of living. They're just policies
that are not good and don't make sense for the
Tennessee seventh Congressional district. They don't make sense for Tennessee
or America.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do you have a sense You mentioned that I don't
know how good a data you guys get on who's
turning out. For instance, you can join me tomorrow and
go vote on election day. Do you have a sense
on how the numbers look on the early voting? You
mentioned that you feel confident. What kind of data do
you have out there? Obviously we want everybody showing up
on election day in huge numbers, making sure this crazy
(26:14):
chick Afton Bain isn't elected in Tennessee seven. But what
kind of data have you seen on early turnouts so far?
Do you have access to that info?
Speaker 9 (26:24):
We do. We've got some some polling data and we're
we're up, but we're we want to be up by
a by a lot. And that's what happens when people
put on the jersey, get on the field tomorrow and
go and vote, and we'll win decisively when when that happens.
We had we had a really good early voting outcome
and that's great, but we want to leave nothing to chance.
(26:44):
We want every single person to get out tomorrow and
vote if they haven't voted again. Our websites Matt fortn
dot com for more information, Matt fo r TN dot com.
They can find out their polling location. The times the
polls will be open. Most are so an am to
seven pm, but that varies in a few locations. And
(27:04):
you know, we just need we need fights, folks to
fight through the any cold or weather tomorrow because every
single vote matters in this and it's for the direction
of our country and so we need every vote and
folks to be safe, have a plan, get out there
and vote.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
As I'm watching Buck, MSNBC is leading with this race.
They're telling their people to go out and vote if
they're watching MSNBC. CNN has been talking about it a
ton Buck, anything else you want to hit the duo with.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, I just hope that you guys pull home, bring
home rather the w because this is an important one
and I don't want to see anything but tears among
the MSNB. I'm sorry, ms now commentariot. So it's all
in your hands, gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Well, no pressure, right, But the peril of a special election,
especially in a deep red district like this, is that
everybody just assumes that a Republican like Matt is going
to win, but it is not guaranteed. You have to
get out and vote. We're expecting a little inclement weather
here tomorrow. It may be cold, maybe rainy, I don't know, sleep,
but you've got to go out and do that patriotic
duty to ensure that we keep this majority in the
(28:11):
House we can keep moving to trumpet agenda and the
America First Agenda forward. So thanks to everybody. The former
member here was Mark Greens, who if you lived in
Mark Green's congressional district, we need you out tomorrow and
we're counting on you.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'll be there Congressman hopefully tomorrow will be celebrating that.
And Speaker Mike Johnson, we appreciate the time. Good luck
with Lane Kiffin for all the Louisiana's out there listening
to us.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Go Tigers. Appreciate you guys, thanks for all the help.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Thank you.
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Bock.
This is a really interesting story and it's gotten a
lot of attention because not just the immigration implications of
it all, but also because Tim Walls, who President Trump
just doubled down on calling retarded. That is what the
President called him, just saying that Tim Walls was what
(30:44):
a shock asleep at the a sleep at the wheel,
or actually maybe even worse than that, complicit with his
inaction when he was governor of Minnesota. This guy's at
buffoon and Minnesota has unfortunately been going in a very
bad direction as a state for a long time. Now
it's getting more and more left wing, more and more radical,
(31:07):
and a part of that radicalization is the Somali community,
which is now approaching one hundred thousand people in Minneapolis.
Minnesota is not that big as a state, so that's
a pretty considerable voting block. And what we have here,
mister Clay New York Times piece how fraud swamped Minnesota's
(31:27):
social services system on Tim Walls's watch. This was just
published a couple of days ago, over the weekend, and
the fraud is staggering in its scope, over a billion
dollars in taxpayer money. Scores of people involved, almost all
(31:48):
of them Somali and some are naturalized, some are born here,
but all from the Somali community in Minnesota. And they
were doing things like setting up fraudulent companies and saying
that they that were feeding It was a lot of
it was charity. They're sort of bilking the system by
(32:09):
pretending to be running charities feeding hungry children. They pretended
to feed hungry children so they could buy houses and
cars and things like that. Just the most egregious fraud,
a most egregious theft from the government. It's a whole scheme.
Clay the detail where another Somali in this case a doctor,
(32:30):
was having parents claim that their kids were autistic and
getting kickbacks from that. I mean, just whatever they could
do to steal from the system they were doing. They
were doing it ruthlessly, remorselessly, continuously. In some individual cases.
He's talking about just tens of millions of dollars. And
(32:51):
people were asking a lot of questions, like, first of all,
how is it played that the state of Minnesota could
have this happen and not figure it out soon. Part
of it, I think is that the Somali community there
is an important voting block now for Democrats. And there's
also this oh anything that you're going like, you can't
prosecute all the fraud in the Somali community because it's racist,
(33:15):
because it's all Somali's doing the fraud. That's another thing
that comes up here. It's a mess. And you know,
Tim Walls was the VP candidate for Democrats the last
go round. I don't think he's going to be the
VP this time around. I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I think the biggest thing to me that stands out
is if the government's being defrauded by billions of dollars
and doesn't have any idea it's going on, we're failing.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I mean the government.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And again this is not going to shock people, but
the healthcare in this country is such a corrupt mess
that this is likely not the only fraud that is
going on anywhere near its size, probably happening all over
the place. But this idea that we have been told,
and I do think it's a real national debate that
(34:05):
we should have this idea that we've been told that
all of these what is it, fifty three million immigrants
in the United States, I think was the number that
Trump had in his tweet, that fifty three million people
who live in this country now, and I'm talking about legal,
not illegal, that all of them enrich this country in
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a substantial way and are not a drain on resources.
I think is just a lie. And I believe in immigration.
I believe in treating immigration. The analogy that I would
use is, I want the lottery picks. I want the
first round draft picks of the world. I want the
most brilliant, the most highly educated, the smartest people of
(34:51):
other countries. I think bringing them here and allowing American
ingenuity to combine with their hard work and their meritocracy.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's a good thing for the country. I buy into that.
But the idea that we have low skilled, low wage
people from countries that don't have any sort of connection
at all, I think this is really what this about
buck Western civilization in general, that don't have any commitment
to shared civilizational aspects that have basically dragged us out
(35:21):
of a desolate history into modern wealth and prominence. If
you're not embracing Western civilization, why should we have you here?
And I think that's a real question that's getting asked.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And I think the difference is people say, well, what
happened with Ellis Island and all those things. Most of
the people who came in through Ellis Island, they were
from Italy, they were from Germany, they were from Ireland.
They had a commitment to the ideals of Western civilization
in a way that a lot of the people were
bringing in today do not. In fact, many of them
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reject Western civilization as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And also, thirty percent of the people who came through
Ellis Island went home because there was no welfare state,
because there was no office to go to where you
could say, hey, just start giving me my free stuff.
Where's my free housing, where's my free food and healthcare?
Where's all my free stuff? There was no Office of
free Stuff back then, and so some people realize that
it's actually really hard to make it in this country.
(36:22):
Yes there's opportunity, but opportunity comes with risk and cost.
And they went home, they went back to their country
of origin. At a time when the journey here was
our juice, expensive and difficult, we don't have that anymore
because we've become the world soup kitchen, and effectively increasingly
we are like an economic zone for people who just
want to live at the expense of everybody else. And
(36:45):
that's a huge problem. And this is what has really
turned i think the mindset of the American people right
now clay against so much of this. Our generosity as
a people, as Americans has been exploited and mocked by
the actions of people who have come here, claiming fake
asylum in huge numbers when they cross our border, illegally,
(37:09):
scamming our immigration system in every way possible, playing all
these different games to get access to resources, resources that
are taken from all of you, and taken out of
your paycheck. If you are an American listening to this
who pays taxes, which I know most of you are,
that money is taken from you and given to others,
and the scams need to stop. Other countries would not
(37:32):
put up with this at all, And we just have
to be at a place where we can have honest
conversations like, Okay, if we're going to have a big
problem with the Somali community stealing from Americans, we need
to look at how many more Somalus you want in
the American family through our immigration system. This is just
the way it has to be.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I just I look at it and say, if you
are coming in and you are immediately going on welfare
and support, you shouldn't be admitted to this country. I mean,
it's actually a violation of immigrant that's an a violation
of immigration law Clay.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
It's just not enforced. You are not allowed to immigrate
to this country and become a public charge and get
any public benefits. But states like California and New York
they do it at the state level. They com mingle
federal funds. So it's a lot like the whole thing
is a lie. We're told oh, don't worry, we won't
have people who are welfare cases coming here, tons of
welfare cases. Fifty five percent of immigrant households get welfare.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, I mean that to me should be a non
starter on space, and I'm sure most of you out
there listening are nodding along. We take care of people
as best we can who are citizens of this country,
but people who are not citizens of this country are
coming in and they are taking away benefits that would
otherwise be going to citizens. They're frankly, we're thirty eight
(38:49):
trillion dollars in debt. They are helping to run up
the national debt in a significant way. I just I
don't even look at this as a remotely partisan related question.
If you told me right now I run a company, Hey,
if you're going to hire these people, they're going to
cost you money and they're not going to make you
any money, would you bring them into your company? My
(39:11):
answer would be no. I don't see this as a
difficult call. We should run the country like a company
when it comes to immigration. Are we bringing in people
who are net benefits to the country that are going
to be huge job creators, that are going to be
huge access to this country. The answer is yes, I
want them here, right, that's a meritocratic system. If we
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get the most brilliant minds around the world and they
want to come here and create jobs and have better
outcomes than they could in their country, that's what we
should be doing. I mean, the intellectual first round draft
picks of the world. I want them here. But people
who are going to steal, and people who are going
to be wards of the state, and people with no
(39:54):
substantial educational background and value. I just I don't see
in any way how this is beneficial to the United States.
And again I go back to culture. The older I
get Buck, the more I'm convinced that culture determines everything.
The culture that you create, whether it's in your company,
whether it's in your state, whether it's in your country,
(40:16):
dictates the outcome that you're going to get. One of
my favorite quotes from a coach is we recruit our problems.
United States is recruiting our problems. If you go out
and you bring in people with bad culture and bad backgrounds,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Going to be net benefits to the country. I mean,
this is just very basic stuff for anybody who's ever
been involved in management at all. If you bring in
toxic employees, you create a toxic culture inside of your company,
inside of your workplace. If we're bringing in toxicity, we're
creating a more toxic environment than would otherwise exist. In
the United States, particularly when it's not committed to basic
(40:53):
Western values of civilization that have propelled us to the
success that we have today. We actually have the opposite
of what you're talking about, which is we have a
system where we take as many people from the Third World,
from poor countries, through chain migration, through asylum scams, through
all of this. That's a huge portion of our immigration system,
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legal and illegal. And one of the challenges that I
think now the country is willing to finally look at
and be honest about, is there are going to be
some countries that are predominantly non white countries where you're
not going to take a lot of immigrants because the
objective criteria that you have set for immigrants will not
be met by people from those countries. And that has
(41:38):
not been the case in America for a long time.
We've been taking whatever bring us your war torn, your impoverished,
your illiterate, and your culturally backwards. That has become the
American immigration policy de facto for decades now, and the
consequences are becoming clear. And I think President Trump saying, hey,
(41:59):
let's pause. And this is not new this. You know,
if you're a student of history.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
One hundred years ago people said, hey, I think we've
had too much immigration in the United States. We need
to pause and allow what's already happened to occur, to
allow that sort of melting pot to occur. The problem is, again,
I come back to culture. If you don't have similar
cultural values to someone else and you try to come
to this country, you're going to import the culture of
(42:26):
the Third World asposed to the culture of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And I don't think that's good. I mean, I'm sorry,
I just I look around that.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I say, you know, I think one of the great
lies that many of us were taught was diversity is
our strength.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I actually don't think diversity is a strength.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Diversity of thought can be a strength if you apply it,
and the best ideas win, but just diversity itself as
somehow a positive outcome or goal. Diversity of thought is
the only diversity that matters. There's also zero oracle, precedent
or basis.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
To believe that having a huge number of people in
a country not from that country, speaking three hundred different languages,
of all different religions, of all different Uh, you know
political belief systems, is going to result in a cohesive
nation state. Yeah, over the long run, there's zero. There's
just zero. In fact, there's a lot of evidence all
(43:23):
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which is it doesn't work. This is not a good idea.
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Speaker 2 (45:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that
you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've
had had them in the past over the last decade.
Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost
(45:23):
potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes
to President Trump and the way that they see him.
I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write
up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest, Jonathan
Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,
(45:48):
we got to get this guy on and he is
now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.
For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapy
New York and DC, and you've got a book called
Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.
But when you see people who, it appears, frankly, do
(46:12):
have Trump arrangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind
of take people through the argument that you made in
the Wall Street Journal editorial.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Yeah, and Clay, great to be here. It's not a
real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.
But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,
which is sort of the Bible of psychiatric disorders in
my profession, but what I have seen is quite troubling.
We're seeing families split up. We've seeing people obsessed with Trump.
(46:44):
They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their
mental health. And I would go so far as to
call it a in some ways a mental health epidemic
that's focused or revolves around Trump. And I don't care
if it's Trump or or Harris or anyone. If you're
that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to check
(47:06):
in with a therapist.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Someone like me.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the
what would be the the things to look for where
someone I mean you said things like hyper fixated? You know,
what are some of the the red lines that somebody
would want to look at where something goes from just
being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over
(47:33):
zealous thoughts about in this case of politician, to where
it actually is clinical. Because what I see myself as
a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people
who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.
Like I know people who lose, truly lose sleep at night.
(47:56):
I mean they've told me this because they're worried that
Trump is going to just pull them off, Like Trump
is going to have people pull them off the street
and throw them into a cell somewhere for no reason.
Like how different is that from somebody who's agoraphobic or something.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at
the point where you are losing sleep over our president,
or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy
a vacation because quote, how can I possibly relax and
enjoy a vacation knowing that Trump's in office. You're sick,
You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues
(48:34):
that we see, whether it's OCD or anxiety disorders, it
disrupts a person's life. It appairs relationships, whether it's romantic
relationships or work relationships or friendships. This is when it
rises to the level of patholgic And that's where I
become greatly concerned. And if you look back over the
past decade, when Trump first entered our world as a politician,
(49:00):
I mean I had patients who were ready to flee
the country. I actually know some who did flee the
country and I would remind them that the fact that
you can get out there and protest, even in front
of Trump's house, is a good reason to stay here.
But the problem is people aren't looking at this in
a rational way. They're quite irrational. They do think that
(49:21):
Trump is going to round people up and send them
off to a island somewhere. They think that Trump is
a Nazi. So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements
like that, and as a therapist, I try to confront
them and help them see things rationally. And with some
of those people I'm successful, and others, frankly I'm not.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
How do you handle people in your friend or family
circle that are just crazy and are suffering from this, right?
I mean, because I think that is probably something that
a lot of people out there, particularly in the social
media age.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I mean, I grew up.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I remember my grandma saying, you never talk about politics
or real religion. Now, certainly people talk about politics all
the time, particularly on social media. So you may just
come across it on Facebook, or you may come across it.
And like I said, in your own family or in Thanksgiving,
how do you handle people that are, in your opinion,
meaning the family member truly gone crazy over the Trump situation.
(50:21):
I'll give an example. This is not Trump directly. We
had a family member that a younger I don't want
to get too specifical, but celebrated on social media Charlie
Kirk getting shot and I was stunned. I couldn't believe it.
Maybe some of you have had, you know, in your
larger family circles things like that happen. How do you
(50:43):
handle people who are dealing with this that seem unwell
to you? What should you do as a person if
that's in your friend or family circle.
Speaker 8 (50:54):
Yeah, and I too witnessed people who were celebrating the
horrific murder of Charlie A.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Kirk.
Speaker 8 (51:00):
I told the story of overhearing two cashiers at Trader
Joe's talking about it and celebrating it. And what's happened
is people have demonized figures, whether it's Kirk or Trump,
and they've learned to hate them, and they feel like
it's their duty to take them out. But when you
have a family member that's speaking like that, I think
(51:22):
you need to try to confront them. I think you
need to ask them, you know, why do you feel
like it's your duty to take this person out, or
demonize this person, or speak ill of the person. You know,
it's not healthy for them to be consumed by that figure.
So you know, I think you can try to gently
(51:44):
confront them, see how they react, See if you can
work with them in that way. Other people are beyond
repair and they'll believe what they want to believe. The
other problem that we're seeing that you mentioned is social media.
People are in these echo chains. They only surround themselves
with one opinion. They feel that the world is conspiring
(52:08):
against them.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
So we've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
If we're going to try to get back to what
we saw in the eighties. After Reagan was shot, his
surgeon famously said today, mister President, we're all Republicans, but
wouldn't it be great to get back to a time
like that?
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is
on this more broadly, And I would just say this,
I am aware, sir, that your profession is based on
the numbers and the data. I believe the single most,
the single most left wing medical profession that is out there.
(52:51):
Is that really the reason why there isn't more of
a push to treat Trump derangement syndrome, even if they're
not going to name it, to treat it as an
anxiety disorder. I mean, I wonder how many psychiatrists have
Trump arrangement syndrome. If I can just put a point
on this, well.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Buck, let me put it this way.
Speaker 8 (53:10):
Since my Wall Street Journal piece came out, and since
appearing on Fox TV, I've received too many to count
hate emails from my colleagues from therapists wishing me dead,
labeling me a pedophile, protector, absolutely unhinged, vile emails from
(53:32):
licensed mental health professionals. So that tells you what you
need to know about my profession, and you're right, it's
dominated by liberals. But that said, I also received very
supportive emails from colleagues, so I think there are probably
some closeted conservative therapists out there. But yeah, I mean,
(53:54):
we have people who think I'm absolutely crazy because ifying
a trend that A seen over the past decade, and
I genuinely care about these people's mental health, the people
that I'm seeing, and would like them to start to
be healthier and look at things in a more rational manner.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
We're talking to Jonathan Albert I'm curious one of the
big discussions here Trump came down the escalator twenty fifteen,
So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do
you believe that this syndrome, to the extent that it exists,
that is uniquely focused on Trump, does it translate to
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or transfer to other Republicans in a post Trump era?
What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as
he will in January of twenty twenty nine. What do
you think is likely to happen to their mental health
at that point in time.
Speaker 8 (54:52):
Well, it'd be shocked if it suddenly improved once Trump
left office. I think there are some people out there
that always need an object, a person to hate, and
if it's not Trump, it might be Rubio or JD
or whoever may may take over in twenty twenty eight.
So I do think these people need something to hate.
(55:13):
And we're actually seeing this play out in New York
where I am. The anti Israel protests have ended, and
now I think over the weekend we saw several anti
ice protests. So there are some people who always need
to be fighting and need what they perceive as a
cause to fight for. And we'll see what happens in
(55:35):
a few years.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I
was watching a video somebody put it together a compilation buck,
I should have sent it to you two of all
these people like losing their minds to protest in favor
of BLM five years ago, and all the crazy videos
they were making and everything else. And then you know,
it's kind of a joke. But the same people took
(55:57):
the BLM slogan and then had the Ukraine flag in
their profile.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Do you see that?
Speaker 2 (56:02):
As people have some sort of absence in their life,
and so they are constantly seeking the next thing, whatever
it is, wear a mask, get a shot, Like there's
jumping from one sort of social obsession to another. Has
that become more prevalent? I think in a social media
age it has.
Speaker 8 (56:22):
And probably before BLM, we saw Occupy Wall Street way back.
So yeah, yes, And they probably have an emptiness or
disdain in their life for something, and they just want
to be part of a cause. And I think these causes,
whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel, Anti Israel or BLM.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
It's like a big group therapy.
Speaker 8 (56:49):
Session that amounts to absolutely nothing. It's not making these
people healthier. I'll share a story with you after one
of the not Kings riots.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
I was walking Manhattan.
Speaker 8 (57:02):
Admiring the heaping high pile of anti Trump signs, and
someone came up to me and said, isn't this beautiful?
And I said, not really, I kind of support our
president and think he's doing a good job. And she
went absolutely not and started cursing me, not even knowing
who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting
(57:25):
from these strangers since my Wall Street journal piece hit,
I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see
on TV and email telling them how much I hate them.
But that might be the difference between someone with a
rational mind and an air rational mind.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?
Speaker 8 (57:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (57:48):
I wish I knew.
Speaker 8 (57:49):
I'm part of a small group of conservative therapists who
are fed up with the wokeism that's infiltrated our profession.
Coming book Therapy Nation does touch on this, how our
graduate programs our profession are just dominated by social justice warriors.
(58:11):
So I think the more people like me that can
get out there and who aren't afraid to speak their
mind and be okay with conservative values and.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Put their thoughts out there.
Speaker 8 (58:24):
The better will be as a nation, the healthier will
be and will be far less divided.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Thank you, Jonathan Albert.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I encourage people to check out the book and we
will share that Wall Street Journal editorial. You wrote as
some people may be dealing with some of this in
the post Thanksgiving eraon which we currently live.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.
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Buck Show welcome in Monday after Thanksgiving. Addition, probably some
of you a little bit, a little bit maybe possibly
a little bit too much fun over the course of
the holiday weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I had an awesome time. Buck had an awesome time.
We hope all of you did. Traveled on the busiest
travel days of the year, and I thought everybody handled
themselves pretty well, at least based on the airports that
I was in. I imagine Buck, you found the same to
be true. It did not appear that there was any
sort of mass related issues when it came to travel,
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with over eighty million of us projected to be on
the road, So I hope, friends, family, and I was
stunned how few people actually do play football on Thanksgiving Day.
I put up a poll on my own site, Buck
only sixteen percent of people join me in running around
and playing a family Thanksgiving game.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So football game. I watched a lot of football.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's pretty much all I did, Buck, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Did you watch any of the football at all? Did
you see any games going on over the course of
the weekend. Did your brothers or your dad kidnap you
and hold you hostage in front of the television at
any point?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I tried to turn on at one point when we
were all in Food Cooma some college football, and my
family mocked me and said, you don't have to pretend, Buck,
We'll just tell Clay that you watch some if he
asks us, And then we ended up I think turning
on Blue Form my little nephew. Oh yeah, I've heard
that's a killer show for all the kids out there. Yes,
(01:51):
so that was I learned about Blue Instead, we got.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
A lot to dive into. First of all, we are
praying for the the National guardsmen from West Virginia who
is still in critical condition after a deranged Afghan one
of the people who shouldn't have been led in this
country in the wake of Joe Biden's disastrous withdrawal from
Afghanistan after he was shot. We unfortunately lost the life
(02:18):
of a twenty year old service woman from West Virginia
that happened legitimately as the news was breaking as we
went off the air on Wednesday headed into the holiday.
So we will continue to monitor that positive news. It
appears the Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Russia peace talks have accelerated substantially and there may be
some positivity associated with where that is going. Gas prices
will tell you about this at four year lows. Many
of you may have noticed that as you were on
the road ninety percent of people were traveling via car
for Thanksgiving. But we began and we're going to talk
(02:55):
to him and the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
in about an hour from now. Matt Van Epps in
the Tennessee seventh Congressional district. He is running against a crazy, deranged,
lunatic woman from my living in my hometown of Nashville.
This is my congressional district.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I am going tomorrow morning to drop my son off
at school and then vote in the precinct at his school.
I will be voting for Matt Van Epps, the Republican.
I know everybody's still in the food coma, so to speak,
waking up from the Thanksgiving holiday, But if you are
in the Tennessee seventh congressional district. It is time to
get out and vote Tomorrow. We're going to talk with
(03:37):
Matt Van Epps, and like I said, Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson, who is here campaigning with him right
now in the Nashville area. We will talk to those
guys a little bit after one o'clock on the East coast,
so one hour from now. But President Trump has weighed
in on this race, and this is what he said
this morning over the phone at a rally for Matt
(04:00):
Van Epps.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Listen, cut one if you can go Matt Man Epps,
he's a winner. He's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Don't let this so for you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
The Democrats suspending.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
A fortune and we don't want people that want to
raise your taxes.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
She wants to raise your.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Taxes a top of birthday is but she said two
things above models that voted me. Number one, she hates Christianity.
Number two, she hates country music.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
How the hell can you elect.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
The persons like that?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I just want to get my total.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Support, and he's had it from right from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To Matt Man Apps, he's going to be a fantastic congressman.
He's going to represent you. So well, and we'll keep
barge into going.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
All right, so get out and vote. I am going
to be there. I'm telling you to do exactly what
I do. And look, my wife asked me about this
race yesterday because there's a lot of conversation obviously in
my circuit. She said, how worried should we be about
the outcome of this race? And Buck What I told
her is and this is, you know, kind of a
(05:03):
sports analogy Democrats are playing, or a gambling analogy. They're
playing with house money. They basically are pouring a ton
of money into this district. It should be a Trump
district through and through, it should be a Republican district,
but they're gambling on Republicans not showing up because it's
an awkwardly timed election because the district is brand new.
(05:24):
People have not even really gotten used to what congressional
district they're in because all these lines were redrawn in
twenty twenty two, and so they are basically gambling that
they can pull off the upset and embarrass Republicans and
set better momentum for themselves going into the midterms.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
In CIA analyst NERD School, we would call this low
probability high impact. It's unlikely that they'll be able to
take this seat, but if they did, it would give
a lot of momentum, at least psychologically and for fundraising
Democrats very early. We're already in a in a moment
(06:05):
here where people are thinking about the midterms. Yes, and
soon we're going to be in a midterm election year
just weeks away, really a couple of weeks a wee.
Because a lot of people, obviously Congress at the front
of the line, stop doing a whole lot of work
once we get close enough to the Christmas holiday and
to New Year's and so this is this is important also,
(06:25):
and I say this only half joking, they really want
to spike the football in Clay Candice, Tommy the Daily Wire,
et cetera, et Cetera's backyard, which would be true quite
a moment. So they're the Democrats. You could sort of
see the ads now and the way that they'll be
writing and talking about this. Oh, even with all of
(06:47):
this conservative media firepower concentrated in this very red state
of Tennessee, we're able to pull this off. The only
way they pull it off is if people just don't care,
don't show up that it's going to be fine. It's
right people decide that someone else is going to take
the time out of their day to make sure that
this lunatic aften bait. I mean, she is among the
(07:11):
craziest congressional candidates. She aoc look moderates. That's the person
that Democrats are running. I don't even think that's a
crazy take. And if they're able to sneak this one,
it is because people are still in their post turkey
and stuffing and candied yams and maybe even cobbler food
comas and not really focused on what's going on in
(07:34):
this one district. I understand for a lot of you're
like Bucket's one district, it's one seat. Yeah, but politics
is a lot about narrative and a lot about emotion,
and this is going to be held up as much
more important than it is. And it's going on. I mean,
we're we're in the heat of it, the thick of
it right now. So for all of you in this
seventh Congressional district, get it done, get out there. Don't
(07:58):
make Clay very sad with some Communist member of Congress
representing him. I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean, this would be this is just like somebody
w I can't even imagine. I'm apoplectic at the idea, Buck,
that this crazy chick could be my congresswoman, that this
could in any way be allowed to occur is just
absolutely crazy to me. And so I think again, what
(08:23):
they are banking on is people not knowing they're in
this district, people who have been on the road. You're
focused on Thanksgiving, you're focused on your family, and you
aren't thinking about voting. So I would ask you go
look up and what's the worst case scenario. Go try
to vote. Go to your local polling place. That's what
I'm doing tomorrow. And if you are not in the district,
(08:45):
if they look you up and they say, hey, you're
actually in the sixth district or you're in the fifth
district because Nashville is cut in three different districts, then okay,
you did your due diligence. This is like I told
my wife. She got me Buck. Have you ever done
a TRX class? Have you ever done one of these bands?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You pull at the bands. I know I have not
done this one, but I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, So my wife got me in a TRX class
with her on Friday morning, so we walked in. Laura
is a ridiculous like Carrie, ridiculously good shape, like she
can do all the ridiculous you know, band work in
the TRX and uh, we were there and we walked
in and the class wasn't there yet. It was a
(09:28):
nine am class and I was like, you know, it
was eight fifty five. And Patrick, the guy who runs it,
wasn't there yet. And I said, maybe you got the
time wrong. Maybe maybe we're not going to have to
do this, and she said, you're hoping that the class
is not going on.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What I want is the credit for actually having shown
up in the in the at the workout at the gym,
and then the TRX class isn't actually going on. That
would be the best possible outcome for me. Now it
was going on. I labored my way through the TRX
class with the bands and everything else. My point on
(10:03):
that analogy is ninety percent of success is just showing up.
If you show up and you happen to not be
in the seventh Congressional District, you don't have to stand
in line. You just get to turn around. You don't
have to vote, You just get to turn around and
go back, but I'm gonna be there. I can't wait
to be able to go vote here and I'm gonna
be hopefully on Tuesday night when the results start to
(10:25):
come in, thankful that we kicked this crazy chicks ass.
I mean, this is the lead right now on MSNBC.
Buck They've got Aftonbaane on. This is their opening, this
is their you know, to your point, low probability, high impact.
This is them with all the chips in the table, saying, hey,
let's embarrass Republicans and steal a district. And this matters
(10:48):
if you're on the national scale. The reason Speaker Mike
Johnson is here and I bet he tells us this
next hour is it only takes a couple of people
getting sick or a couple of things going wrong when
your majority is this small, and you don't even have
a House majority this year. So that's also unfortunately, we
got a lot of congress people who were over seventy
years old. You've seen this happen. They have health related issues.
(11:10):
It doesn't take very much, all of a sudden you
don't have a majority anymore. So that's part of this
democratic calculus. I think as well.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Absolutely we'll be taking your calls. By that way. We
have missed chatting with all of you. We were away
from the show for a few days and it just
feels like a few days too long. So and also
a lot of stories, Clay, I'm just seeing here that
are going to be added into our mix today. Alina Habba,
they ruled against her in an appeals court in New
Jersey as the US attorney. They're saying that she is
(11:40):
not a lawfully appointed US attorney, So that's going to
get some attention. President Trump also weighing in on these
boat strikes in the Caribbean and the offer that was
made to President or from President Trump saw this, i'm
sure over the weekend to Maduro Venezuela, basically saying like
(12:01):
no sweetheart treatment here other than you can get out safely,
but you better get out. That's what's being reported.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Right now, and that is hard right now that there
is a meeting on Venezuela that's going to happen in
the Oval Office soon. What I would point out is
this reminds me a little bit of right before Israel
struck Iran, when they tried to say, hey, negotiations are
still ongoing, and then you looked up and all of
a sudden, the attack had already begun. I wonder on
(12:29):
some level whether they have already decided exactly what they
are going to do, and if that's true, what we
think about the Venezuela decision. I actually, and I don't
know what the percentages are here, but I think we
should take Maduro out. Ideally, he would leave of his
own volition. He lost the election, he's clung to power.
(12:50):
I know we have a lot of Venezuelan listeners, A
ton of them live close to where you are in Miami. Buck,
that would be able to tell us in great detail
how much of a difference that could make to stabilize
stabilizing Latin America so we don't have as many illegal
immigrants trying to come in the country. Tons of Venezuelans
just were fed up with the kleptocracy in their country.
(13:12):
Would also go a long way towards bringing down oil
prices even more because in the western hemisphere of Venezuela
is the highest producing country basically when it comes to
oil and gas, so there are a lot of American
interests there. In particular, I think it's Chevron basically had
the entire Venezuelan oil business, and then they tried to
(13:34):
turn it into a state owned business and all these
different things. So I do think that storyline is one
to pay a lot of attention to. We could have
an accelerating situation there, to say nothing of all the
drugs as a narco state that they are pouring in
here that are killing so many Americans every year.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean, you've got Canada and Brazil are big
oil producers and Venezuela's producer. Venezuela's production is way down,
but it has the largest proven reserve in the world,
so that is quite a prize. If that actually starts
getting going the way that it should without a lunatic
socialist running it, there's quite a deal to be made there.
Perhaps we'll get into all of this, my friends. But
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Speaker 1 (15:32):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Second hour Play and Buck kicks off right now, and
we're joined by Matt van Epps and Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We got a two for one special here today. Thank
you so much, gentlemen for making the time for us.
Appreciate you both.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Hey, guys, great to be with you. This is Mike
and Matt Vanepps is with me. We are traveling through Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He's got a big space national.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Election tomorrow, as you'll know, and we're gonna win this
for the country.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We absolutely have to. Mister Speaker, tell us what you're seeing,
what you're hearing. How the early turnout is looking well.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I won't speak for Matt here, but I'll tell you
it looks great to me. I landed here early this
morning and we are going to do a dozen events today.
We started with a big rally with hundreds of people.
There's a lot of enthusiasm. This is deep red country.
I mean, Tennessee is a rich state. He's in a
red district. It takes in parts of Nashville and then
fourteen counties overall. We're gonna make our way through all
(16:31):
of that today and people are excited.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
They know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We're talking with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. They
are right now in a car touring the district. Matth
Van Epps Tennessee seventh Congressional District and Speaker Mike Johnson
with us right now, and then we will talk with
Matt van Apps there together for people out there nationwide.
I know President Trump called in this morning. I believe
(16:58):
he's gonna call in later this year evening as well.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I will be voting.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
This is my district in the Nashville area, so we
will be there. Why does this race matter so much?
I think we have the speaker tell them the call back,
telling the call back. They're on the road campaigning. They
wanted to call in together, so we will get them back.
But you heard Speaker of the House Mike Johnson there.
And again the fact that we have the President calling
(17:24):
in this morning, calling in this evening, getting awareness out
that this race is taking place. It is a non
traditional time.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Again. Election day is tomorrow in this district, and they
got the President, They've got the Speaker in the district
going all over the place today. Awareness is probably the
most important part here. Sometimes you have to worry about
getting out the undecided voters. That's often how you win
swing districts. This is a Republican district. We just have
(17:52):
to make people aware that this election is taking place
and that they need to get out there and vote.
And that's a challenge, that's a little bit different. And
Democrats are gambling on their crazy cat lady contingent to
continue to show up. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
back with us. Now, big picture, I'm in this district,
mist or Speaker, I'm going to get out and vote.
(18:15):
I want everybody in Tennessee seven to get out and
support Matt Van Epps. Why is the president involved? Why
are you involved? Why is this district so important?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Well, this district is really does count for the whole country.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I've presided over some of the slimmest majorities, the delivered
huge wins despite that. But it illustrates the importance. I mean,
every single seat matters, and that's why we're so happy
to be with.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Let's let's bring in the future congressman. I believe he'll
be elected tomorrow. Matt Van Epps. What are you seeing
in terms of turnout? And if people are not aware,
if they're in this district, Matt, what would you tell
them they need to do? How do you find out?
Because it's still a new district. How do you find
out if you, like me, are in Tennessee seven.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Now, the information is on our website, Matt fortn dot com,
Matt fo rtn dot com. We've got all the election information.
Folks can find out where their polling location is. Links
to the Secretary of State's website, So if they go
to Mattfurtn dot com, they'll get that information.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
We are up right now.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
And we're gonna win when everybody gets out tomorrow. The
weather could be an issue, and we ask people just
to be safe, but to get out, have a plan,
get to the poll, and be a part of this
victory because it is for our country and we're going
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Matt. Why is it that whenever I am perusing as
one does, not just online, but occasionally I'll even go
and see what they're saying in the crazier corners of
the television world like ms now formerly known as MSNBC,
they seem very focused on this race and really want
to sneak this one, sneak this one out and take
(20:06):
this seat from you. What's going on? It's it's like
this is the biggest thing that they've seen since election Day.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Well, it's the only country. It's the only race going
right now in the country, and the Democrats are throwing
everything they have it and they're spending a lot of money.
They have Jasmine Crockett and a bunch of the far
left folks that are rallying AOC and it's in. It's
an ideology that we have to reject. And we'll do
(20:33):
that when folks get out and vote for us tomorrow.
I mean, you know, my opponent has been endorsed by
the Democratic Socialists of America once transgender surgery for minors
without parental consent, wants to raise our taxes, new taxes
that will skyrocket our inflation, and that's to pay for
the socialist agenda. We cannot let that happen. And when
(20:53):
folks join our team, when all the Republicans, all of
the freedom loving Americans get out in the Tennessee seventh
Congressional District tomorrow and vote for us, well sure that
we win and we drive America first forward.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They were telling me guys that you guys have a
unique connection to the Army Navy game which is coming
up soon. I know the President I saw will be there.
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. And also, I believe
the next congressman from the seventh District of Tennessee, my Congressman,
Matt Van Epps, starting tomorrow, I hope.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
What is that connection in Army Navy? What's your bet here?
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Yeah, look, I'm gonna be with the President and the suite.
My son is a sophomore at the Naval Academy, but
Matt here is an Army ranger and he's a West
Point grad. So this is the one thing that he
and I are going to disagree on. Guys, I'm going
to say go Navy beat Army, and I'm going to
say go Army beat Navy.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, that's going to be an awesome event. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
The President's going to be there, speaking of which, I
don't know if you've waited on this, Speaker of the House,
Mike Johnson, Lane Kiffin, I bet Buck has even seen this.
It swept the nation. Lane Kiffin has left the old
Miss Rebels. He is now the LSU head football coach.
He's being introduced this afternoon. Huge story there. What's your
take on that as one of the post pressing issues
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in the state of Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
For sure?
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Well, you know, I'm a double alum from LSU undergrad
and law school, so I bleed purple and gold, and
I told my governor and the president of the Board
of Supervisor down there, do I need to lobby Kiffin?
Do I need the lobby Kiffin? And they said no,
we think we got it, but we'll call you in
if necessary. It's a good choice for him. LSU, as
you know, is a premiere program. We should be in
the national championship every year.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I used to think Speaker of the House is the
most stressful job in the world, but it's really sec
football coach. You know that you gotta win every Saturday.
Every Saturday it's on the line. So best wishes to him.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's going to be great in co Tigers, we got
Let's come back to the Tennessee seventh there and I
know we had you on last week, Matt van Apps.
Can you tell everybody out there give us a rough
eye of the communities in this district because again a
lot of people may not know, and Republicans have to
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battle Democrats who are gonna show up no matter what
the race is. They show up in these special elections
and big numbers We've got to make sure our people
know about this race tomorrow and also know if they're
in the district.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
And so we've got fourteen counties and it stretches. We've
got downtown Nashville. I love Nashville, by the way, I
love country music, and you know, and it stretches up
to Fort where Fort Campbell is Clarksville. I lived in
Clarksville for five years when I served in the one
sixties Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Montgomery County is a great county.
We've got part of Williamson down to Franklin, and then
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our western Borderer, Benton, Indicator, Stuart, Montgomery and Robertson. On
the north, we have Houston, Humphreys, Perry and Wayne, Hickman, Dixon, Cheatham, and.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's just a bunch.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Of amazing locations. We you know, we've got great rural
farmers are so important to us. We're just leaving an
event in Robertson County. We're going to one in Cheatham
County and that that will be top of our list.
Hardworking families, military veterans, folks that are active duty, National Guard,
law enforcement, just amazing communities across our fourteen counties, and
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we're gonna be working hard every single day for every
one of those communities.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
What is the craziest stuff that people should know in
your district about your opponent Afton Vaine. I know you
have a lot to draw on here. Some of the
quotes alone are particularly memorable. That's one thing you could say.
But in terms of positions, in terms of what she represents,
if you were to give me a top three Afton
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Bine hit list, what would be on it? Because it's
pretty extraordinary from what I can just pull off the
top of my head.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Well, in the you know, I alluded to the fact that,
you know, she's saying that she hates Nashville, the you know,
part of the district that she wants to represent. But
it goes much further than that. She wants to defund
the police. There's a whole anti law enforcement bucket. She
wants to defund the police, she wants to abolish prisons.
She was out as a sitting state legislator filming herself
(25:15):
bullying and harassing ice in the Tennessee Highway Patrol, which
is just unbelievable. It's disqualifying. So there's a whole bucket there,
she wants transgender surgery for minors without parental consent, believes
that men can get pregnant, and just you know, crazy.
And I think the other piece too is she wants
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to do and hire taxes to fund her socialist agenda
that will skyrocket our cost of living. They're just policies
that are not good and don't make sense for the
Tennessee seventh Congressional district. They don't make sense for Tennessee
or America.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do you have a sense You mentioned that I don't
know how good a data you guys get on who's
turning out. For instance, you can join me tomorrow and
go vote on election day. Do you have a sense
on how the numbers look on the early voting? You
mentioned that you feel confident. What kind of data do
you have out there? Obviously we want everybody showing up
on election day in huge numbers, making sure this crazy
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chick Afton Bain isn't elected in Tennessee seven. But what
kind of data have you seen on early turnouts so far?
Do you have access to that info?
Speaker 9 (26:24):
We do. We've got some some polling data and we're
we're up, but we're we want to be up by
a by a lot. And that's what happens when people
put on the jersey, get on the field tomorrow and
go and vote, and we'll win decisively when when that happens.
We had we had a really good early voting outcome
and that's great, but we want to leave nothing to chance.
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We want every single person to get out tomorrow and
vote if they haven't voted again. Our websites Matt fortn
dot com for more information, Matt fo r TN dot com.
They can find out their polling location. The times the
polls will be open. Most are so an am to
seven pm, but that varies in a few locations. And
(27:04):
you know, we just need we need fights, folks to
fight through the any cold or weather tomorrow because every
single vote matters in this and it's for the direction
of our country and so we need every vote and
folks to be safe, have a plan, get out there
and vote.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
As I'm watching Buck, MSNBC is leading with this race.
They're telling their people to go out and vote if
they're watching MSNBC. CNN has been talking about it a
ton Buck, anything else you want to hit the duo with.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, I just hope that you guys pull home, bring
home rather the w because this is an important one
and I don't want to see anything but tears among
the MSNB. I'm sorry, ms now commentariot. So it's all
in your hands, gentlemen.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Well, no pressure, right, But the peril of a special election,
especially in a deep red district like this, is that
everybody just assumes that a Republican like Matt is going
to win, but it is not guaranteed. You have to
get out and vote. We're expecting a little inclement weather
here tomorrow. It may be cold, maybe rainy, I don't know, sleep,
but you've got to go out and do that patriotic
duty to ensure that we keep this majority in the
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House we can keep moving to trumpet agenda and the
America First Agenda forward. So thanks to everybody. The former
member here was Mark Greens, who if you lived in
Mark Green's congressional district, we need you out tomorrow and
we're counting on you.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'll be there Congressman hopefully tomorrow will be celebrating that.
And Speaker Mike Johnson, we appreciate the time. Good luck
with Lane Kiffin for all the Louisiana's out there listening
to us.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Go Tigers. Appreciate you guys, thanks for all the help.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Thank you.
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Bock.
This is a really interesting story and it's gotten a
lot of attention because not just the immigration implications of
it all, but also because Tim Walls, who President Trump
just doubled down on calling retarded. That is what the
President called him, just saying that Tim Walls was what
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a shock asleep at the a sleep at the wheel,
or actually maybe even worse than that, complicit with his
inaction when he was governor of Minnesota. This guy's at
buffoon and Minnesota has unfortunately been going in a very
bad direction as a state for a long time. Now
it's getting more and more left wing, more and more radical,
(31:07):
and a part of that radicalization is the Somali community,
which is now approaching one hundred thousand people in Minneapolis.
Minnesota is not that big as a state, so that's
a pretty considerable voting block. And what we have here,
mister Clay New York Times piece how fraud swamped Minnesota's
(31:27):
social services system on Tim Walls's watch. This was just
published a couple of days ago, over the weekend, and
the fraud is staggering in its scope, over a billion
dollars in taxpayer money. Scores of people involved, almost all
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of them Somali and some are naturalized, some are born here,
but all from the Somali community in Minnesota. And they
were doing things like setting up fraudulent companies and saying
that they that were feeding It was a lot of
it was charity. They're sort of bilking the system by
(32:09):
pretending to be running charities feeding hungry children. They pretended
to feed hungry children so they could buy houses and
cars and things like that. Just the most egregious fraud,
a most egregious theft from the government. It's a whole scheme.
Clay the detail where another Somali in this case a doctor,
(32:30):
was having parents claim that their kids were autistic and
getting kickbacks from that. I mean, just whatever they could
do to steal from the system they were doing. They
were doing it ruthlessly, remorselessly, continuously. In some individual cases.
He's talking about just tens of millions of dollars. And
(32:51):
people were asking a lot of questions, like, first of all,
how is it played that the state of Minnesota could
have this happen and not figure it out soon. Part
of it, I think is that the Somali community there
is an important voting block now for Democrats. And there's
also this oh anything that you're going like, you can't
prosecute all the fraud in the Somali community because it's racist,
(33:15):
because it's all Somali's doing the fraud. That's another thing
that comes up here. It's a mess. And you know,
Tim Walls was the VP candidate for Democrats the last
go round. I don't think he's going to be the
VP this time around. I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I think the biggest thing to me that stands out
is if the government's being defrauded by billions of dollars
and doesn't have any idea it's going on, we're failing.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I mean the government.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And again this is not going to shock people, but
the healthcare in this country is such a corrupt mess
that this is likely not the only fraud that is
going on anywhere near its size, probably happening all over
the place. But this idea that we have been told,
and I do think it's a real national debate that
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we should have this idea that we've been told that
all of these what is it, fifty three million immigrants
in the United States, I think was the number that
Trump had in his tweet, that fifty three million people
who live in this country now, and I'm talking about legal,
not illegal, that all of them enrich this country in
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a substantial way and are not a drain on resources.
I think is just a lie. And I believe in immigration.
I believe in treating immigration. The analogy that I would
use is, I want the lottery picks. I want the
first round draft picks of the world. I want the
most brilliant, the most highly educated, the smartest people of
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other countries. I think bringing them here and allowing American
ingenuity to combine with their hard work and their meritocracy.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's a good thing for the country. I buy into that.
But the idea that we have low skilled, low wage
people from countries that don't have any sort of connection
at all, I think this is really what this about
buck Western civilization in general, that don't have any commitment
to shared civilizational aspects that have basically dragged us out
(35:21):
of a desolate history into modern wealth and prominence. If
you're not embracing Western civilization, why should we have you here?
And I think that's a real question that's getting asked.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And I think the difference is people say, well, what
happened with Ellis Island and all those things. Most of
the people who came in through Ellis Island, they were
from Italy, they were from Germany, they were from Ireland.
They had a commitment to the ideals of Western civilization
in a way that a lot of the people were
bringing in today do not. In fact, many of them
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reject Western civilization as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And also, thirty percent of the people who came through
Ellis Island went home because there was no welfare state,
because there was no office to go to where you
could say, hey, just start giving me my free stuff.
Where's my free housing, where's my free food and healthcare?
Where's all my free stuff? There was no Office of
free Stuff back then, and so some people realize that
it's actually really hard to make it in this country.
(36:22):
Yes there's opportunity, but opportunity comes with risk and cost.
And they went home, they went back to their country
of origin. At a time when the journey here was
our juice, expensive and difficult, we don't have that anymore
because we've become the world soup kitchen, and effectively increasingly
we are like an economic zone for people who just
want to live at the expense of everybody else. And
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that's a huge problem. And this is what has really
turned i think the mindset of the American people right
now clay against so much of this. Our generosity as
a people, as Americans has been exploited and mocked by
the actions of people who have come here, claiming fake
asylum in huge numbers when they cross our border, illegally,
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scamming our immigration system in every way possible, playing all
these different games to get access to resources, resources that
are taken from all of you, and taken out of
your paycheck. If you are an American listening to this
who pays taxes, which I know most of you are,
that money is taken from you and given to others,
and the scams need to stop. Other countries would not
(37:32):
put up with this at all, And we just have
to be at a place where we can have honest
conversations like, Okay, if we're going to have a big
problem with the Somali community stealing from Americans, we need
to look at how many more Somalus you want in
the American family through our immigration system. This is just
the way it has to be.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I just I look at it and say, if you
are coming in and you are immediately going on welfare
and support, you shouldn't be admitted to this country. I mean,
it's actually a violation of immigrant that's an a violation
of immigration law Clay.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
It's just not enforced. You are not allowed to immigrate
to this country and become a public charge and get
any public benefits. But states like California and New York
they do it at the state level. They com mingle
federal funds. So it's a lot like the whole thing
is a lie. We're told oh, don't worry, we won't
have people who are welfare cases coming here, tons of
welfare cases. Fifty five percent of immigrant households get welfare.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, I mean that to me should be a non
starter on space, and I'm sure most of you out
there listening are nodding along. We take care of people
as best we can who are citizens of this country,
but people who are not citizens of this country are
coming in and they are taking away benefits that would
otherwise be going to citizens. They're frankly, we're thirty eight
(38:49):
trillion dollars in debt. They are helping to run up
the national debt in a significant way. I just I
don't even look at this as a remotely partisan related question.
If you told me right now I run a company, Hey,
if you're going to hire these people, they're going to
cost you money and they're not going to make you
any money, would you bring them into your company? My
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answer would be no. I don't see this as a
difficult call. We should run the country like a company
when it comes to immigration. Are we bringing in people
who are net benefits to the country that are going
to be huge job creators, that are going to be
huge access to this country. The answer is yes, I
want them here, right, that's a meritocratic system. If we
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get the most brilliant minds around the world and they
want to come here and create jobs and have better
outcomes than they could in their country, that's what we
should be doing. I mean, the intellectual first round draft
picks of the world. I want them here. But people
who are going to steal, and people who are going
to be wards of the state, and people with no
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substantial educational background and value. I just I don't see
in any way how this is beneficial to the United States.
And again I go back to culture. The older I
get Buck, the more I'm convinced that culture determines everything.
The culture that you create, whether it's in your company,
whether it's in your state, whether it's in your country,
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dictates the outcome that you're going to get. One of
my favorite quotes from a coach is we recruit our problems.
United States is recruiting our problems. If you go out
and you bring in people with bad culture and bad backgrounds,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Going to be net benefits to the country. I mean,
this is just very basic stuff for anybody who's ever
been involved in management at all. If you bring in
toxic employees, you create a toxic culture inside of your company,
inside of your workplace. If we're bringing in toxicity, we're
creating a more toxic environment than would otherwise exist. In
the United States, particularly when it's not committed to basic
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Western values of civilization that have propelled us to the
success that we have today. We actually have the opposite
of what you're talking about, which is we have a
system where we take as many people from the Third World,
from poor countries, through chain migration, through asylum scams, through
all of this. That's a huge portion of our immigration system,
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legal and illegal. And one of the challenges that I
think now the country is willing to finally look at
and be honest about, is there are going to be
some countries that are predominantly non white countries where you're
not going to take a lot of immigrants because the
objective criteria that you have set for immigrants will not
be met by people from those countries. And that has
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not been the case in America for a long time.
We've been taking whatever bring us your war torn, your impoverished,
your illiterate, and your culturally backwards. That has become the
American immigration policy de facto for decades now, and the
consequences are becoming clear. And I think President Trump saying, hey,
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let's pause. And this is not new this. You know,
if you're a student of history.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
One hundred years ago people said, hey, I think we've
had too much immigration in the United States. We need
to pause and allow what's already happened to occur, to
allow that sort of melting pot to occur. The problem is, again,
I come back to culture. If you don't have similar
cultural values to someone else and you try to come
to this country, you're going to import the culture of
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the Third World asposed to the culture of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And I don't think that's good. I mean, I'm sorry,
I just I look around that.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I say, you know, I think one of the great
lies that many of us were taught was diversity is
our strength.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I actually don't think diversity is a strength.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Diversity of thought can be a strength if you apply it,
and the best ideas win, but just diversity itself as
somehow a positive outcome or goal. Diversity of thought is
the only diversity that matters. There's also zero oracle, precedent
or basis.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
To believe that having a huge number of people in
a country not from that country, speaking three hundred different languages,
of all different religions, of all different Uh, you know
political belief systems, is going to result in a cohesive
nation state. Yeah, over the long run, there's zero. There's
just zero. In fact, there's a lot of evidence all
(43:23):
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which is it doesn't work. This is not a good idea.
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Speaker 2 (45:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that
you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've
had had them in the past over the last decade.
Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost
(45:23):
potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes
to President Trump and the way that they see him.
I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write
up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest, Jonathan
Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,
(45:48):
we got to get this guy on and he is
now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.
For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapy
New York and DC, and you've got a book called
Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.
But when you see people who, it appears, frankly, do
(46:12):
have Trump arrangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind
of take people through the argument that you made in
the Wall Street Journal editorial.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
Yeah, and Clay, great to be here. It's not a
real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.
But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,
which is sort of the Bible of psychiatric disorders in
my profession, but what I have seen is quite troubling.
We're seeing families split up. We've seeing people obsessed with Trump.
(46:44):
They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their
mental health. And I would go so far as to
call it a in some ways a mental health epidemic
that's focused or revolves around Trump. And I don't care
if it's Trump or or Harris or anyone. If you're
that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to check
(47:06):
in with a therapist.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Someone like me.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the
what would be the the things to look for where
someone I mean you said things like hyper fixated? You know,
what are some of the the red lines that somebody
would want to look at where something goes from just
being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over
(47:33):
zealous thoughts about in this case of politician, to where
it actually is clinical. Because what I see myself as
a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people
who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.
Like I know people who lose, truly lose sleep at night.
(47:56):
I mean they've told me this because they're worried that
Trump is going to just pull them off, Like Trump
is going to have people pull them off the street
and throw them into a cell somewhere for no reason.
Like how different is that from somebody who's agoraphobic or something.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at
the point where you are losing sleep over our president,
or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy
a vacation because quote, how can I possibly relax and
enjoy a vacation knowing that Trump's in office. You're sick,
You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues
(48:34):
that we see, whether it's OCD or anxiety disorders, it
disrupts a person's life. It appairs relationships, whether it's romantic
relationships or work relationships or friendships. This is when it
rises to the level of patholgic And that's where I
become greatly concerned. And if you look back over the
past decade, when Trump first entered our world as a politician,
(49:00):
I mean I had patients who were ready to flee
the country. I actually know some who did flee the
country and I would remind them that the fact that
you can get out there and protest, even in front
of Trump's house, is a good reason to stay here.
But the problem is people aren't looking at this in
a rational way. They're quite irrational. They do think that
(49:21):
Trump is going to round people up and send them
off to a island somewhere. They think that Trump is
a Nazi. So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements
like that, and as a therapist, I try to confront
them and help them see things rationally. And with some
of those people I'm successful, and others, frankly I'm not.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
How do you handle people in your friend or family
circle that are just crazy and are suffering from this, right?
I mean, because I think that is probably something that
a lot of people out there, particularly in the social
media age.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I mean, I grew up.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I remember my grandma saying, you never talk about politics
or real religion. Now, certainly people talk about politics all
the time, particularly on social media. So you may just
come across it on Facebook, or you may come across it.
And like I said, in your own family or in Thanksgiving,
how do you handle people that are, in your opinion,
meaning the family member truly gone crazy over the Trump situation.
(50:21):
I'll give an example. This is not Trump directly. We
had a family member that a younger I don't want
to get too specifical, but celebrated on social media Charlie
Kirk getting shot and I was stunned. I couldn't believe it.
Maybe some of you have had, you know, in your
larger family circles things like that happen. How do you
(50:43):
handle people who are dealing with this that seem unwell
to you? What should you do as a person if
that's in your friend or family circle.
Speaker 8 (50:54):
Yeah, and I too witnessed people who were celebrating the
horrific murder of Charlie A.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Kirk.
Speaker 8 (51:00):
I told the story of overhearing two cashiers at Trader
Joe's talking about it and celebrating it. And what's happened
is people have demonized figures, whether it's Kirk or Trump,
and they've learned to hate them, and they feel like
it's their duty to take them out. But when you
have a family member that's speaking like that, I think
(51:22):
you need to try to confront them. I think you
need to ask them, you know, why do you feel
like it's your duty to take this person out, or
demonize this person, or speak ill of the person. You know,
it's not healthy for them to be consumed by that figure.
So you know, I think you can try to gently
(51:44):
confront them, see how they react, See if you can
work with them in that way. Other people are beyond
repair and they'll believe what they want to believe. The
other problem that we're seeing that you mentioned is social media.
People are in these echo chains. They only surround themselves
with one opinion. They feel that the world is conspiring
(52:08):
against them.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
So we've got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 8 (52:12):
If we're going to try to get back to what
we saw in the eighties. After Reagan was shot, his
surgeon famously said today, mister President, we're all Republicans, but
wouldn't it be great to get back to a time
like that?
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is
on this more broadly, And I would just say this,
I am aware, sir, that your profession is based on
the numbers and the data. I believe the single most,
the single most left wing medical profession that is out there.
(52:51):
Is that really the reason why there isn't more of
a push to treat Trump derangement syndrome, even if they're
not going to name it, to treat it as an
anxiety disorder. I mean, I wonder how many psychiatrists have
Trump arrangement syndrome. If I can just put a point
on this, well.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Buck, let me put it this way.
Speaker 8 (53:10):
Since my Wall Street Journal piece came out, and since
appearing on Fox TV, I've received too many to count
hate emails from my colleagues from therapists wishing me dead,
labeling me a pedophile, protector, absolutely unhinged, vile emails from
(53:32):
licensed mental health professionals. So that tells you what you
need to know about my profession, and you're right, it's
dominated by liberals. But that said, I also received very
supportive emails from colleagues, so I think there are probably
some closeted conservative therapists out there. But yeah, I mean,
(53:54):
we have people who think I'm absolutely crazy because ifying
a trend that A seen over the past decade, and
I genuinely care about these people's mental health, the people
that I'm seeing, and would like them to start to
be healthier and look at things in a more rational manner.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
We're talking to Jonathan Albert I'm curious one of the
big discussions here Trump came down the escalator twenty fifteen,
So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do
you believe that this syndrome, to the extent that it exists,
that is uniquely focused on Trump, does it translate to
(54:35):
or transfer to other Republicans in a post Trump era?
What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as
he will in January of twenty twenty nine. What do
you think is likely to happen to their mental health
at that point in time.
Speaker 8 (54:52):
Well, it'd be shocked if it suddenly improved once Trump
left office. I think there are some people out there
that always need an object, a person to hate, and
if it's not Trump, it might be Rubio or JD
or whoever may may take over in twenty twenty eight.
So I do think these people need something to hate.
(55:13):
And we're actually seeing this play out in New York
where I am. The anti Israel protests have ended, and
now I think over the weekend we saw several anti
ice protests. So there are some people who always need
to be fighting and need what they perceive as a
cause to fight for. And we'll see what happens in
(55:35):
a few years.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I
was watching a video somebody put it together a compilation buck,
I should have sent it to you two of all
these people like losing their minds to protest in favor
of BLM five years ago, and all the crazy videos
they were making and everything else. And then you know,
it's kind of a joke. But the same people took
(55:57):
the BLM slogan and then had the Ukraine flag in
their profile.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Do you see that?
Speaker 2 (56:02):
As people have some sort of absence in their life,
and so they are constantly seeking the next thing, whatever
it is, wear a mask, get a shot, Like there's
jumping from one sort of social obsession to another. Has
that become more prevalent? I think in a social media
age it has.
Speaker 8 (56:22):
And probably before BLM, we saw Occupy Wall Street way back.
So yeah, yes, And they probably have an emptiness or
disdain in their life for something, and they just want
to be part of a cause. And I think these causes,
whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel, Anti Israel or BLM.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
It's like a big group therapy.
Speaker 8 (56:49):
Session that amounts to absolutely nothing. It's not making these
people healthier. I'll share a story with you after one
of the not Kings riots.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
I was walking Manhattan.
Speaker 8 (57:02):
Admiring the heaping high pile of anti Trump signs, and
someone came up to me and said, isn't this beautiful?
And I said, not really, I kind of support our
president and think he's doing a good job. And she
went absolutely not and started cursing me, not even knowing
who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting
(57:25):
from these strangers since my Wall Street journal piece hit,
I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see
on TV and email telling them how much I hate them.
But that might be the difference between someone with a
rational mind and an air rational mind.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?
Speaker 8 (57:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (57:48):
I wish I knew.
Speaker 8 (57:49):
I'm part of a small group of conservative therapists who
are fed up with the wokeism that's infiltrated our profession.
Coming book Therapy Nation does touch on this, how our
graduate programs our profession are just dominated by social justice warriors.
(58:11):
So I think the more people like me that can
get out there and who aren't afraid to speak their
mind and be okay with conservative values and.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Put their thoughts out there.
Speaker 8 (58:24):
The better will be as a nation, the healthier will
be and will be far less divided.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Thank you, Jonathan Albert.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I encourage people to check out the book and we
will share that Wall Street Journal editorial. You wrote as
some people may be dealing with some of this in
the post Thanksgiving eraon which we currently live.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.
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