Best of Chuck & Buck 6-10

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 5 (00:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
This is Chucking Buck in the Morning, folks.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
Why you people are beyond Let's let's get the game off.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, great morning to you all. Welcome into the radio showed.
It is a humpy and it is time for Chucking
Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
We got you till ten o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan here as well.
Four hours of sports talk radio.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Coming your way.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And let me tell you something, if you ever thought
that nobody is because there are times I've been in
this industry since I was nineteen years old. So this
is gonna be my thirty sixth year in radio this year.
So I've been at it for quite a while. And
there are times. There have been times throughout your career,
even now, even now on this big stick called KJAR,

(01:34):
this legendary radio station in this major metropolitan city, there
are times I'm like, is anybody listening?

Speaker 7 (01:43):
I get you?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Is there one person listening right now?

Speaker 8 (01:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean, am I just talking up here? Am I
just flapping my gums? Well you are, that's true.

Speaker 7 (01:53):
But there are people listening.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah. So there are times though where you go through that.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
But Ashley, if you ever did have that cross your mind,
rest assured there's at least one person listening.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Oh yeah, how do we know? What's your proof?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
The proof is that the water is ice cold today?

Speaker 7 (02:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (02:11):
I wasn't expecting me to win in this building to
be listening that baffling.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't know how many are listening. Maybe it's two
maybe it's two million. I don't know, but I guarantee
you this. The person in charge of keeping the water
cold is listening.

Speaker 8 (02:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
Person in charge of keeping the water cold, that's Lamb.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Uh. I have a feeling it's uh.

Speaker 9 (02:36):
Martin Mark who maybe then maybe talk to Lamb, was like, hey,
we gotta get that water cold.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
This is an embarrassment, and if it is, Mark, I
just want you to know this is part of the
act here.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
You know, you're talking.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
You talk about your bosses, and you talk about your workplace,
and you make fun of it, because what are we
gonna do come on here and just talk about how
wonderful all things are.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
So yeah, that's the fun in that exactly. So you
come on and you lay it on thick about how
the water is like bath water, and then the next
day you get it fixed. I mean, it is ice cold.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can feel it through the cup on my hand,
which I've never felt before.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So whatever they did, like if the cold water is.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
One to ten, they put it at eleven because it
is freezing.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
The funny thing is I was leaving my house this
morning and then I grabbed my water bottle and I thought, oh,
it's not that full.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
I should probably fill it up here.

Speaker 9 (03:31):
And then I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna
have to take a risk with the warm water.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
I'll put ice in it. And I thought about the
warm water and how I.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
Was just gonna have to deal with it if I
finished my water out of my water bottle this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, never fear, because it's cold as we are number
one in the market with people's twenty five to seventy
five who are in charge of the temperature of our water.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
And that's the most import group if you ask.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Me, we are one out of one. They listen every
morning from six to six twenty in the morning.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So Mark, alright, well, welcome into the radio show.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
We got a lot planned for you today.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Three big blockbuster guests today to talk about several different
topics on the program, plus a few bits that we
normally do on Wednesday, and so much more. I mean,
it is another packed show. That's one thing I take
pride in. I packed the show full of so much
content that you can't stand it. That's right, all right,
And yet we have to start.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
We don't have any choice but to start with that
wacky ass game in Maryland last night.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
What on earth? Oh jeez, we thought the one before
it was crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean, that's two crazy games that the Mariners. Yeah,
that the Mariners have won both of them. They won
it last night by the final score, six to five,
final score and ten innings. And there's so many things
to discuss, so many little nuggets to break down, which
hopefully over the course of four hours, will get to
each one of them, isolating them as we go. But

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I would just say, as in terms of getting the
conversation started, I mean, what we've seen the last two
nights are not only crazy wins on the baseball field,
the beautiful crazy game that is baseball played at its
highest level, even though sometimes the level's not so high.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And so.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's already I mean, this sport is rifer kind of
games like this every once in a.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
While that you can break down.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
But certainly the headline of the last two nights has
been how the new rules of the sport have impacted
this game at this level.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean somewhere I think, I think God's a baseball
fan and he could probably do the aggregate on who
really deserve to win the last two games. And yet
because of the new rules of baseball, and we you know,
we had some bad luck last couple of nights too,
we had some bad luck last night too, But we

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also had some good luck last night as well, and
kind of were given the benefit of the doubt by
a few things as well that helped us pull out
eke out.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Another win in Baltimore last evening.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
But it's been all about, really just the new rules
that have been implemented into the sport, and a lot
of people fought those new rules. A lot of people
on this show fought those new rules. I don't want
to mention any names, but it rhymes with Lucky Racomson.
A lot of people fought those new rules, and yet
we saw we've seen them on full display like never

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before and how they can impact the outcome of a
baseball game. These were not little minor things that baseball adjusted.
Between the challenge heard round the world the night before
from Johnny Pieda, which I think won us the game. Yeah,
two nights ago to last night, almost every single rule
in some way was on full display to either be

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taken advantage of or to catch it in the shorts
because of it. And we won those two games because
the new rules worked to our advantage more often than
they did not.

Speaker 9 (07:20):
Yeah, which is funny because obviously, when you're just watching
a baseball game, usually you're just planning on watching the game,
But it has become such an integral part of the
game with the challenge system, with all of the different
things that we get to watch and to see it
all kind of happening two games back to back. It's
just been interesting that we're coming in and we're not

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talking about on Monday the nailor Grand Slam, Right, it's
about the challenge. Yeah, and then we're not talking about
a Rose Arena with a two run home run. I
mean we will, but that's not the story.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
No, No, the star are all the close plays that
we use technology to try to determine what actually happened.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now I will say this.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I mean because Baltimore, certainly, if you're an Orioles fan,
you're walking away thinking.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
You got screwed over.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, probably because there were two plays at home which
they were probably safe on both of them, the O'Neill
play and then the Patrick Wisdom played down the third
base line where they probably were safe. I mean, it
looked like they were safe. But as Aaron and Ryan
Roland Smith did a great job of pointing out, the

(08:30):
letter of the law is that you can't overturn it
unless there is full proof, one hundred percent proof.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
And so it was the same with that Bliss play
at second.

Speaker 9 (08:40):
I mean, because they called him I think he was
out though, Yeah, but it was that close.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, but three close.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Play certainly, But the two at home plate where I
think they were both safe. I mean, if you're asking me,
do you I think they were safer out, I'm gonna say, oh,
I think they were safe. But when you slow it
down frame by frame, they're they called it out on
the field.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And there just was.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
This much There just wasn't enough evidence to say and
and and Aaron nailed it. Like the dirt that seemed
to be showing between Blaze, Alexander's glove, batting glove and
home plate was like the difference in whether or not
that game kept going or we lost that actually we

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lost that game or not. And so that sort of thing,
I mean, it's crazy. I mean, I guess you would
say if you're if an Oriol fan was complaining to
you in the bar, well we called they called them
out on the field. And so if we didn't have
the new technology then they would have never even challenged it. Yeah,
they would, you know, an old school So we would

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have gotten all of those calls anyway. But the fact
that we had to go through the experience of oh
my gosh, he does look safe, and yet is there enough?
Is there one hundred percent proof that his hand is
touching the plate before Garver's glove touches the shoulder or
the arm, or whatever the case may be. I mean,

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that's what a baseball game came down to on numerous
occasions last night.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
Yeah, and it is.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
I kept thinking, oh, thank goodness they called him out
because it was that close. When you're looking at those
challenges and that evidence, it's like, who if they would
have called them safe, absolute that they would have absolutely
both been kept safe.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
And so you don't love that a game comes down
to things well but well, as a Mariags fan, I
loved it, but I'm.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
Saying, like, as a fan, yeah, you.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Don't want it always to come down to, oh, let's
go challenge it, let's go wait now what's the review
versus like you just want to celebrate in the moment
that call and that's it and we move on.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
But it does add a lot of extra suspense.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh man crazy. And then Garver just wild with the
challenges last night.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
It was like a man on a mission.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, when you've got to in your pocket in the
ninth inning, you get.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
To play a little loose with it, and he just
kept he just kept ticking him off one after another,
and at one point, I mean it was about as
much swag as Mitch Garver I think can show. He
just ran off the field when his the strike was
challenged by Beisaio, and it was a terrible challenge by Bisio.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Garbage just runs off the field and just sitting in
the dugout. I mean it was a walk off challenge.
When have we ever seen a.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Walk off before?

Speaker 9 (11:33):
Man on Dan Wilson's face too, is he's like just laughing, laughing.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Yes, yeah, I was like, okay, I like that.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, he was laughing at the Tavares play, which is
another thing that I've not seen before, where that was
Leodi Tavares had a challenge. I think it was a
Garver challenge, and so Tavares in his head was working
off the fact that he thought that was a ball
and he lost track of the count and starts taking
off all of his equipment. And they wear a lot

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of equipment, which I guarantee a lot of old school
people were laughing at last night that were watching the
baseball game.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
That's what you get for wearing so much damn equipment
up to the up to the plate.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
So he's taking off all of his equipment, he steps
across the plate because he forgot the count. Meanwhile, there's
a fifteen second clock running yep, the entire time, and
Tavares didn't have time to get his stuff adjusted and
gets called out on a strikeout.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
Yeah, and then Dan's just cracking up and then trying
to hide it, like because he's because who's ever.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
Seen that before?

Speaker 5 (12:32):
No?

Speaker 7 (12:32):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, exactly, I have not seen that before.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
And then you heard some cussing over the television and
I don't know if it was a fan, could have
been a fan, Yeah, but it might have been the dugout.
But they were just irate. Whoever it was. There were
several of them and they were irate over that. But
it's like, well, what else do you want them to do?

Speaker 7 (12:54):
Yeah, that's the you got it one. You gotta know
the count.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
He didn't know the count, yes, and got that there's
a fifteen second clock, And do we take time? Do
we give him a time out so that he can
put all of his equipment back on and step back
into the box. I mean, otherwise Dan's gonna argue. I
would hope maybe the way he was laughing. Dan would
have never thought to even challenge that. I don't know,
but I mean, it was just it's just been on

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full display between the parade of challenge two nights ago
to the numerous review challenges that were just within an eyelash,
and three of them, all three of those went our.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Way last week.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
The other way, the Tavares situation, Garver challenging all night
long to an incredible rate of success, and the Orioles
not having success with the challenge last night. I mean technology,
the new rules of Major League Baseball full display the
last couple of days, and we got an indication those
like I said, those were not little minor adjustments to

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Major League Baseball. You saw the last couple of days
how much the new rules, the new technology that governs
the sport can affect the outcome of the game. And
even though I guarantee you Oriole fans are waking up
this morning feeling robbed by the technology, we used the technology,
we just happened to get more calls than you did.

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The luck swung our way a little bit more than
it swung your way last night. And believe you've got
a lot of good luck last night too, you know,
a couple dribblers off the mound that ended up not
going foul. Stuff like that. Yeah, you had, you had
a lot of luck yourself last night. But in terms
of the technology, we just won the technology war last night,

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and that's why we won the baseball game.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
We need, that's what we need to simply Seattle to
make new shirts. We won the technology war.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
And then the day baseball and then the date of
the Orioles victory six to Orioles June ninth, six. Uh
so just crazy, I mean, just a wild game. Not
to even mention Ryan bliss Is heads up play and
it's two defensive gems that saved the game. And yet

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on both of those plays, Fine pointed out, like, why
didn't Bliss just throw it first? That would have been
an easier play. I didn't even think about it. I
mean the race to try to beat a very fast
gunner Henderson a second and then narrowly getting there. Yeah,
I thought that was such a great play. I didn'tn
it didn't even cross my mind. Well, you probably could
have thrown it first.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, I was watching it and the multiple times and
never thought that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Ever.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
I was like, oh, thank goodness, he did.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
That, and then Bliss makes the game saving catch down
the right field line, and that was phenomenal. And then
I stepps by, like, what was Naylor doing on that play?
How are you not camped under that? That thing was
up there forever? How did Bliss have to save the day?
Put a cape on and save the day. That was
like a routine play for a first baseman. What were
you doing on that?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Way?

Speaker 7 (15:49):
You wanted Bliss to be allowed to be superman?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I don't know, but I mean, just narrowly both of
those plays, just narrowly grabbing that before it came down
and hit the grass, and then narrow getting there before
Henderson could slide into the bag.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I mean, it was just one of those nights, one
of those crazy, crazy ass nights, and he kind of overshadowed,
You're right, the Erose Arena home run, the fact that
Logan Gilbert had to gut it up like a soldier
from yesteryear and throw ten extra pitches.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
He went over one hundred, folks, he went over one hundred.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
But he got that.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
They gave him the green light to go the sixth inning,
and it turns out he didn't die on the mound.

Speaker 9 (16:27):
I was prepared that if he threw ninety six pitches
spontaneous combustion.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
So that was that was incredible.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
And then you know what, And I do want to
mention this, and I'll mention it again a little bit later,
But considering what he was up against, I had a
lot more Dan Wilson screwing up the bullpen tweets thrown
at me last night. I don't think he did last night.
I mean, under the circumstances, what else was he supposed

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to do?

Speaker 7 (16:57):
We didn't Who did we have?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean he got the sixth inning out of
Logan Gilbert. That took him out of the organization's comfort
zone to begin with. And then I thought, yesterday when
I mapped it out, I didn't remember that Bizardo had
gone back to back Knights. I thought we had him
for last night, but he wasn't available. Munjos wasn't available.
They're obviously not going to pitch Brash on back to

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back Knights. That's just a rule within the organization right now.
And so you were down numerous dudes, and even Ferreer
obviously wasn't at his best last night.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
But that's what you'd put there.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
So he's tired.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So I mean, that's that's how it needed, that's how
it had to be done. I mean everything he did
I agreed with.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
I liked that he put Hoppy in after Gilbert.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Pushed Gilbert in for the sixth.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Hopy comes in for the seventh, and then Spire for
the eighth against the potential Henderson Kowser grouping, and then
you close it out with Ferrer, who didn't get the
job done. And if it goes extra then the Cooper
Criswell PHANTOMI l to bring up Nick de Villa last night,

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and Devilla gets the job done somehow, some way for
the save. I don't know how he does it any differently.
So no, I'm not cracking on Dan for what he
did last night, because that's exactly how I would have
played it under the circumstances. Now, if you want to argue, well,
why are we so depleted at this stage of the
season that when our relief pitchers have thrown fewer innings

(18:31):
than any other team in the American League, Now that's
an argument we could talk about now that see yesterday
seven o five segments. See the previous day seven oh
five segment that we did. I mean, I think a
lot of this. We barely have enough to get through
a game. Relief pitching stuff has a lot to do

(18:52):
with We have our two best pitchers in our bullpen
on paper, mun Yos and Brash don't pitch enough. I
mean when Munos goes six days without pitching recently, I mean,
that's somebody else has to pitch. And so if you're
not using those two guys, well, yes, you're going to spread.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Thin everyone else.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
And then when those guys actually do get used and
you are not allowed to use them the next day, well,
you have so many rules set up, so many walls
that you've put up so many obstacles that it's hard
to get through a game. No, we should not be
in such a dire situation with our bullpen, especially considering
how good our starting pitching has been as of late.

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We don't have starting pitchers that go out there and
go an inning in two thirds and have to be
taken out of the game. I mean, I can't even
imagine what the organization would do in that case.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Come, yeah, they might just a collapse, they might just
quit the game. Yeah, why don't even want to play?
We're out of here, We're flying in DC.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't know, but yes, if you want to say,
Dans and the organizations past attempts who protect Brash and Munos,
and they pitched so infrequently and that's led to thinning
out the pen, and it puts you in a situation
like you were. Okay, there's an argument that I can
listen to. But under the circumstances last night, Dan did
what he had to do and that's exactly how I

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would have.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Played it, and lo and behold we come away with
a victory.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We'll talk more about that later, but right now, let's
find out what's on tap for the show?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
What's ontep?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
All right?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Six to five win for the Mariners over the O's
and ten innings last night, thirty six and thirty two
on the season.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
This is their high water mark. They've matched it.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
They've not been five games over five hundred at any
point this year, but they could pull that off tonight.
They're back in Maryland for Game three of a four
game series and it will be another three thirty five
start with George Kirby going for US and Brandon Young,
a right hander pitching for the Orioles, and he's pitched
pretty well this year. Mariner's notes. Colt Emerson didn't play
again last night, so that's two straight games for the rookie.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Whatever he did.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
To his back, it was it made the organization nervous
enough that they gave him some rest, but not so
nervous that he's been put on the IL, So I
think he's going to be okay now. Cooper Criswell was
put on the IL, and I almost guarantee you it
has nothing to do with injury. That was we need
a pitcher for tonight because we're short in the bullpen,
and thank goodness they did, and Criswell does not have

(21:23):
any options and we certainly don't want to lose him,
so this is what we're gonna do. And I'm sure
they told Criswell to limp out of the office and
then cal Raleigh yesterday and Tacoma Homers twice, which I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think the.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Plan was him to stay in Tacoma all week long.
But how many cal Rally homers do we want to
see hit in Tacoma before we activate him. That's something
we'll talk about later in the show as well. Seahawks
mandatory mini camps started yesterday. We'll get a full report
from Greg Bell at seven oh five. Our Seahawks one
series continues today at eight o'clock with our own Dick Fane.

(21:57):
The sordid Brandon Soresby affair continues. I'm gonna wrestle that
it reckless at breakfast at seven forty five today.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
World Cup week is here.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes, we might be just two weeks away from the
World Cup, but we are only one sleep away from
the World Cup, and we are only three hours away
from hearing from Brad Evans, who will join us today
at nine. Game four the NBA Finals tonight at five thirty.
The Spurs can even things up with the Knicks at
Madison Square Garden with a victory. Stanley Cup Final continues

(22:26):
to be thrilling. Carolina wins five to three, but that
was really a one goal.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Game last night.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That was just every single game has just been on
the edge of your seat every moment of every game.
Carolina wins over Las Vegas five to three, so that
series is even at two games a.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Piece as well.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
We'll talk about all of it, but coming up next
Mariners Morning After on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Ere A Cup crowd ball up to the middle, let's
have it foot Ricey out. Second day, the.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Spread was on and Bliss wins to send this to
the tenth So much more Burgundy.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
When you just hear the audio, you're not watching it,
I know.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
That's why I was like, Oh, that was the most
Burgundy we had to play it.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It was full, full frontal Burgundy right there.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
There was a lot of excitement there.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh, there were a lot of crazy calls last night.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I think they both handled it really well because that
was trying to put your finger on that game. There
were plays that we've just never seen before.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Marriage of wacky baseball with new technology and new rules
that have been introduced into the game in the last
one to five years. It was never on grander display
than it's been the last two nights in Baltimore, Maryland,
and last night took the cake over the previous night.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Fully agree, Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It was fun.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
You wait to see what happens today.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
It was awesome because we come away with two wins
out of that mess. Angry if you're Baltimore, Yeah, I'm
sure the Orioles, I'm sure they're manager through a few things.
After the game was over last night, But Mariners do
win in ten innings six to five. That was Aaron
with Ryan in the background doing stuff on the call
last night on Mariner's TV. Mitch Garver homer Randia Rose

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Arena ended up with the game winning homer. But really
it was about narrow plays at bases home and second
base throughout the latter innings, the Mariners trying to scrape
together outs with a beleaguered bullpen that was fatigued and
only had four guys available, and even they were not
at one hundred percent, and somehow they patchworked together a victory.

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Ryan Bliss played a big role in that, which we
will give Greg Bell the chance to talk about his
favorite baseball player in the world.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Club.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, he put together a fan club called Bliss Techs.
It's his favorite Ryan Blisp and Texans all in the
same room. So well, we'll talk about that with Creig
Bell here in a matter of moments, But first let's
get to the rest of your headlines. Brought to you
by Frostbrewed Course Light June Chill, thirty six and thirty two.
Mariners can go five games over five hundred for the

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first time this year. They'll be back in Baltimore for
Game three of a four game series. Another three thirty
five star time, George Kirby versus right hander Brandon Young.
Colt Emerson missed two straight games with that back injury
of his but he's not been placed on the IL.
We'll look at that as good news. Cooper Criswell was
placed on the IL yesterday to make room for Nick Devilla.

(25:33):
I don't think Criswell's hurt, but that could be me
just spreading gossip. Kyl Rawley has been hurt and he's
on reab right now. He was in Tacoma yesterday and
decided to hit two home runs, including a grand Slam
for the Rayniers. We are certainly going to talk about
that later on in the hour. The World Cup the

(25:54):
Week is here, where one sleep away from some World
Cup action twenty twenty six is going to join us
on the program today at nine o'clock. NBA Finals Game
number four tonight at five thirty back at Madison Square Garden.
The Spurs could break their hearts again and even up
this series at two games apiece, which is what.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
We're all rooting for.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And the Stanley Cup Final continues to be one of
the most evenly matched series we've seen in sports history.
Las Vegas and Carolina just continue to exchange haymakers and
what was expected to be a defensive series is turned
into anything. But they just keep scoring goals and it
feels like they're alternating goals from period to period. Last night,

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Carolina got an empty netter late to win by two
hole goals five to three over Las Vegas, and they
have evened up that series at two games apiece. But
the story in our headlines that we're going to discuss
with our next guest is going to be Seahawks mandatory
mini camp, which was held at the Virginia Mason Athletics
Center yesterday, and Greg Bell was there in person to

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watch it all unfold. Joining us now our Seahawks insider
Greg Bell, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Sir, Good morning throws me off without the musical interlude.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Ask me too. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah,
did you soak in all?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Did you get your Ryan Bliss bobblehead and your Ryan
Bliss jersey out last night and watch him make all
the key crucial plays to support your love for him
last night?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't know who Ryan Bliss's agent is, but should
be me. I am all for Ryan Bliss. He won
the game last I know Rose Arena hit the home run.
But Bliss's dimension, of course, is his speed, and it
was his speed that one game on defense last night,
racing to the bag at second, racing to that pop
climb show right, racing over to that ground ball the

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night before. They don't have that. He's the one dimension.
I know he's not hitting much, but I just think
his speed is something that they can use all over
the places. And yeah, keep him, don't send him back.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Have you met him yet? I mean, I know you've
covered some.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
That's what's funny. I'm going I haven't. And as much
as I keep talking him up, I'm hoping to keep
talking up to the point where I want to go
meet him and he says, oh, I heard you say.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
If you're a fan of him because of his baseball whale,
you meet him because he is just a wonderful young man,
Just a wonderful young man.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I've been told that I need to spend more time
lately in the Mariner's clubhouse, But I don't know. If
you saw at the end of the game Tuesday, night
or whatever night, Monday night, whatever the night was. When
he first came up and Brad Adam and he were
talking about the fact that Brian Bliss's bags never made
it to Baltimore. They got stuck in Denver somewhere, so
I didn't have any clothes. And he and Adam were

(28:48):
joking that they're about the same size, and Brad said, oh,
I'll take you shop, and what size shoes do you wear? Oh? I,
we're tends too. And now there's a joke that Brad
Adam and Ryan Bliss are wearing the same clothes in
road trop.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, JP's like his big brother. JP will take him
clothes shopping. He's got the funds all right. Well, Greg
Bell is with us and he's our Seahawks insider of course,
and of course you can hear him at ten o'clock.
So we can talk about Ryan Bliss some more at
ten o'clock here today. But we do want to talk
some Seahawks football mandatory mini camp yesterday. And you didn't

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have to tell these players twice, other than a couple
of injury guys, everybody showed up yesterday.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
DeMarcus Lawrence, the thirty four year old in his thirteenth
season who could blow it off but would get fine
for doing it now. Although I'm not sure Mike McDonald
would find these guys if he didn't show up. They
probably McDonald would, Pete Carroll wouldn't. But Devin Eastern, the
rookie seventh round pick the nose tackle was the only
one I didn't see anywhere on the field without explanation

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to where he was. A rookie seventh round pick probably
is excused or has a reason that he's not on
the field. He's probably somewhere around the facility. He'd be
unusual for a rookie to blow off of manit mini camp.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
But yeah, everyone was there.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
By far, the most surprising thing Chuck was right at
the beginning of practice. Here walks Zach Sharboney right with
a trainer, and he goes to the corner field by
the lake, and he's doing high hurdler, high step, high knees,
lateral movements. He wasn't just walking. He was doing far more.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
He's doing the.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Rapid fire chop high steps. He was doing far more
than a guy who is knee reconstructed less than four
months ago would probably be doing. Mike McDonald said at
the combine to us the last days of February that
the surgery went better than the team might have thought.
It's a more optimistic outlook than they originally projected. But
he made coy on a timeline. Oh, I wouldn't have

(30:46):
bet against Zach, and if anyone could do with Zach
can usually an acl reconstructive surge. That's for football players
eight to twelve months. Eight On the very very optimistic side,
he didn't have the surgery because of sw until mid February,
so eight months after surgery, you're talking mid October. Of course,

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that's welcome to the regular season. What I'm not drawn
conclusions because it's only June and he's in T shirts
and sweatpants and hoodie.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
But what I saw yesterday suggested he might.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Be beating that estimate and it perhaps he could factor into.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
The early part of the season.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
We'll see. Yeah, But it was a surprise by far
that he was even on the field.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
A surprise and yet not surprising from the standpoint of
if that that to me is like, yeah, Zach Charbonay
will get back earlier than expected.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
There's just something about his makeup and the way he's
wired that even though it's surprising to see him be
that ahead of schedule, if any one would be, I know,
Charbonay would probably be up there at the top of
the list for me.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, and McDonald has said that too and practically pragmatically
thinking and speaking. There's a reason for him to get
back because this is his contract here, this last year
of his rookie deal. The Seahawks have a decision. Charbone's
not stupid. He saw them just draft the running back
number one in the first round jedari and Price is
going to be under a relatively cheap rookie contract for

(32:11):
the next four years. It's high time for sharbon Ad
to remind them why they draft him in a second
round a few years ago, why he ran for twelve
touchdowns last year. So, I mean that's not the reason.
But he's motivated for sure because he doesn't have it,
just like Kenneth Walker this time last year, Zach Charbonaye
doesn't have a football home after the season.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
What do you mean by jadari On Price now? More
like RB one a.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well in OTAs he was the clear number two and
he was mostly on the second team offense with Drew
Locke yesterday, he was far more into the ones. He
was altering at the very end of drills at scrimmages
and OTAs. Yesterday he was getting whole series with the
ones with sam donoald AND's starting offense, and it was

(32:57):
much more of a job share. It looked a lot
more like Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonne that season yesterday,
so that was the first time that I saw them
adding two prices first team reps an entire series, or
two in team scrimmages. So I still would be shocked
if he's not the starting running back Week one against

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New England September ninth, If you dropped the guy in
the first round, that's the plan. The charbon A return
would perhaps change the dynamics of the starting running back
position early in the season.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Though, Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks Insider, and
of course you can follow him at gee Bel Seattle,
and he does have complete coverage of day number one,
a mandatory mini camp yesterday. A beautiful day to practice
a little football and shells yesterday out at the Virginia
Mason Athletics Center, and certainly a lot of other ground
to cover, including and I don't want to. I don't

(33:51):
know who to give credit to for this tweet that
I saw. It was just at random, but it certainly
wasn't an observation I made on my own, and somebody
yesterday had just tweeted out, man is even worry about
the same size as DeMarcus Lawrence. As they were sitting
there sort of standing next to one another. That is

(34:12):
kind of incredible that they could have the same body
type considering the positions that they play. And so I
would ask you, has has Lawrence gotten thinner? Has Emon
Worry gotten bigger? And why are they hanging out together
so much right now?

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Well, to the first point, I think it's a little
bit of hyperbole. They even Worry is much much much
slender and wiry. They may be similar height, but Tank
Lawrence is what he is. He's a tank.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's why they call him that.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
He's got a huge upper body and shoulders. He looks
like a fourteen thirteen year defensive end outside linebacker. And
even Worriy likes the guy looks like a guy who's
twenty two years old growing into his body. So I
wouldn't say they look exactly, They're just similar in height.
I would say the reason that DeMarcus Lawrence's biggest value
and he's got huge value on the field. Obviously another

(35:07):
Pro Bowl last year ed rusher who was forcing just everything.
Mike McDonald wanted him more. But his biggest value to
this team is his teaching he does. Mike McDonald said
he has never seen ever in his football career a
guy that practices exactly as the coach's drilling, exactly as
they draw it up. He is the prototype of how

(35:30):
to do drills. And he pulls guys aside. He pulls
Riley Mills aside to the defensive lineman. He pulled the
undrafted rookie from Northeast Northwestern the outside linebacker aside. Yesterday
he pulled me Ki men Warrior's side to work on
steps and pass rush and these very pickyune minutia drills

(35:53):
around medicine balls and around hula hoop rings for leverage
and leaning.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
He spends a lot of time with other players.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
A guy who's obviously secure in his own craft, but
his influence, his umbrella spread of influence.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Across the breadth of the roster.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
He does it with Gray's able in the offensive lineman too.
He is a wealth of knowledge that he's not willing
to keep to himself. And I asked even Worry about
it after practice and he goes, Yeah, this guy teaches
me how to win. And he said he does it
in a really simple way. It's easy to understand, to
not clutter Eman Worrey's mind. Emil Orrey said that he

(36:33):
really wants to refine his game this season. He said
he really didn't learn the part of the defensive recognizing
offensive formations and knowing what plays might be coming until
week eight or nine last season. And when interestingly, Ernest
Jones yesterday when someone asked him about nick Eman Warrior,
what's the next step he can take? He said, in

(36:53):
the classroom. So it's the preparation now, the nuance, the
professionalism of being an NFL defensive place player that the
Seahawk veterans are calling on even worried to improve upon.
And that's natural for a second year guy. Once you
learn in the physical speed of the game, and the
next step is to perfect the mental. But yeah, Marcus Lawrence,
it's huge that he's back for this team. I know

(37:15):
there were some rumors that he might retire. Mike McDonald
has had assurances he was going to be here.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Here he is. He doesn't have it.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
He's got six kids, he's made one hundred and forty
million dollars, he's thirty four years old. He finally won
in Super Bowl. But he's back and he's fully engaged
in teaching.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
All right, So I take it to Devin Witherspoon didn't
show up angry at the world that he doesn't have
a contract extension like JSN.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, he's smarter than that. No.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Actually, he was more participating yesterday than he was in
the OTAs. He was full go, fully participating in all
the scrimmages. He was sitting out most of the eleven
on eleven in the OTAs, and it looked like he
was trying to save himself from possibly any chance of
getting hurt before he signs the contract. It's gonna get done.
It's going to get done probably around the start of
training camp. But in the meantime he's ripping on Jake Bobo.

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Bobo took a bubble screen pass and because you can't
tackle and hit, Bobo runs past all the defenders and
rush through room down the field and Witherspoon, who was
on the sidelines, watching the twos scrimmage, was just screaming
at him. No, man, no way that's going to happen
in the game, because of course everyone teases Bobo for
being slow or slower than most NFL player relatively slow.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
But yeah, he's like the Saguards wanted me. You know,
I don't have to put up with this abuse.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I had an offer sheet.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah. No, it's full Devin Witherspoon, not just not a malecontent,
not upset. No, it's moving along its path. The devil's
in the details of the money offered. This the JSN
deals and anomaly to get done as early as it did.
Smith and Jacob talked about that yesterday. But the guaranteed
money when you get it, how much is guaranteed its signing,
how much is guaranteed within twelve months against injury. That's

(38:56):
why it takes longer for these type of deals get done.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
You were there covering this team in twenty fourteen, you know,
coming off of their Super Bowl win, and by the way,
that was a very successful year. I mean it was
one yard shy of the super Bowl. So it's not
like things fell apart after their first year. But sometimes
it does. Sometimes the teams win a championship and they
don't put it back together. They start coming apart at

(39:20):
the seams almost immediately. We've seen it happen before. Why
is that not a risk? What was the attitude like
on day number one a mandatory mini camp. What is
what is Mike McDonald putting in place to make sure
that this team is just as hungry this year despite
what they accomplished last year.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That's a good question. Check.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
These guys are more humble. They have a coach who
demands they be humble. Pete Carroll demanded the opposite. He
wanted the bravado. He wanted guys to be all about
themselves and be the best sells they can be, Go
get yours.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
It worked.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
McDonald's way is working too, but it's the opposite in
that regard. They've got younger players.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Think about it, they don't really have a super duper star.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yes, Smith and Jigba just a meteoric season last year
in Ell Pro and Offensive player of the Year in
the huge contract. Devin Witherspoon, Yeah, we think he's a
superstar out here, but NFLI nationally, not a Gigantics, not
an All Pro. That Super Bowl team in twenty fourteen
for the Seahawks had Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and
Michael Bennett and Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson entering his

(40:31):
prime and Marshawn Lynch all his persona. There were some dudes,
and they don't have a lot of dudes like that here.
They have a lot of selfless I don't want to
say no name because they're not no name, but they're
far less established. They're also not all making giganty money
or about to sign huge extensions like top of the
market extensions. Smith and Jigba and Witherspoon, yes, but everybody else,

(40:55):
the legion of boom was.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
About to go get theirs.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
And that's not where this team and this defense is.
So I see a much different vibe. It was a
show with those twenty fourteen team, the bravado and the
attitude and the Richard Sherman just mouthing off.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
And fighting with guys.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
They lost a draft pick because of how much they
fought in offseason practices and got fined for it. Not this,
this is such a different deal. It's a real testament
to Mike McDonald to get twenty and thirty year old
guys who are in a profession where they have to
make their money now because it's about the end to
be this selfless. It's a real leadership coup. And the

(41:38):
stuff he does, the military ethos, the togetherness, the team work,
it's working and it's just amazing to watch it. He's
pulled it off in just two years. And I keep
reminding myself this is the first time he's ever been
a head coach at any level. Yeah, and he's done
it better than anybody in the football world.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I think we've got a prodigy here. He's acing the
test his first time taking out. Yeah, he passed the
bar the very first time that he took the exam.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
All right, thirty seconds. Love, What do you got today?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
At ten o'clock, Uh, we'll talk everything I wrote for
the News Tribune and saw yesterday on the field.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I'll detail that. I'll talk about Jared Ivy.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Has a new position, for instance, and then go deeper
into the roster. Eleven o'clock, we're hoping to talk to
Bruce Feldman, national college football guy for The Athletic about
the Brendan Soresby absolutely. I mean, have we ever seen
college sports as broken it as it is united against
one enemy. We've got one now with Texas Tech and Gable.

(42:35):
I'll be doing it from the Virginia mas Athletics Center.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
By the way. Tomorrow they're going to get their Super
Bowl rings.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh oh wow, that would be nice. If you've got one,
that'd be nice. They just slipped you one.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah, that first, that would be conflict of interesting not
very media ethics of Oh, depending on who the coach is.
Not everyone, but depending on who the coach.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I was across the bow. Actually that was a couple
of them.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, we're not shut but we
don't mess around. We're bow shooters.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
All right, Greg, Well, listening at ten, talk to you soon,
all right? All right, Greg Bell our Seahawks insider. You
can followhim at g Bell Seattle there on X and
of course he's got complete coverage of.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
The Seahawks for you at the News Tribune dot com.
Coming up next, ABC's of the Ems.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, there's a lot more to get to about the
Mariners today, so we'll we'll hop to it next.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
On Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r F M.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
No's for Old Garf and I need people to stop
thinking about Old Garve when they're watching New Garf.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
Okay, okay, we got a new Garve on on our hands.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
New Garf. New Garve's great.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
New Garve is exactly what you want a backup catcher
to be. But we're still thinking about Old Garf and
how much he let us down because he was supposed
to arrive on the scene, and he was supposed to
be a big free agent addition, and he was supposed
to destroy left handed pitching, and he never really did
any of those things. Remember, he wasn't even supposed to

(44:13):
catch for us. Yeah, he was just supposed to be
a designated hitter and then and he was very excited
about that because he told us in our first interview
with Old Garve that he believed that all of his
injury problems that he'd had throughout his career were the
result of how much of a beating he took behind

(44:33):
the plate. He wasn't even supposed to catch. He was
supposed to be like a third emergency catcher for this team. Well,
now New Garve, he's not making nearly as much money.
Was brought back, was certainly humbled by a couple of
years of not succeeding here. And then, despite the fact
that he didn't have the greatest time as a Seattle

(44:56):
Mariner in terms of how the fans treated him, made
that very public. He was he was fought for by
cal Raley during spring trainer. Remember he'd been replaced. We
had Andrew Kisner here. Yeah, and so Mitch Garver comes
and says, Okay, you fought for me, and I did
have a great time with this team and these teammates,

(45:17):
and I want to be a part of this and
thank you cal and you kept my major league career alive.
And then he joined the team fighting for a roster spot,
which he won, and as a pure backup catcher. So
we can't think of new Garve as Old Garf. Oldgarve
was supposed to pound the hell out of pitchers, especially

(45:39):
left handed pitchers. New Garv is just supposed to be
a quality backup who the pitchers love to throw to
and won't feel like their worlds come apart if cal
Raley's not behind the plate, and we'll hit the occasional
home run.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Because he does have power.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
New Garf is sensational because he's brought us so much
more than that he's actually hit. Since cal went on
the il new Garv is the best challenger in the world.
He's second best statistically going into last night, and he
was perfect last night. So he might have overtaken Carson
Kelly from the Cubs as the number one challenger in

(46:20):
the sport right now, but an over eighty one percent
overturn rate right now for Mitch Garver as a challenger,
and he was doing it successfully again last night. And
new Garv also had a couple of pretty nice tags
because despite what they went on and on and on
about last night about what a great play Cole Young
made from shortstop to home, that was not a great play.

(46:43):
It was good play, yeah, but he threw it to
the wrong side of home plate. You throw that to
the right side of home plate, that's an easy out
at home And Garv had to go across his body
to make that tag. So you know, I mean, backup
catchers are what they are. Backup catchers you don't expect
a whole lot out of And that's the.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Way that we've got to view New Garf. So whatever
problems you had with old Garf, you got to put
those aside because this new Garf guy is doing a
great job on this baseball team this year.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
We've got to make room for new GARV.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
New GARV. New garves great to hang out with.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
He is I mean that guy could chug a beer,
let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
So.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yes, And he's going to stay. So I know there's
this what happens when Cal gets back. It's easy. Parade
is going to go down to the minors and new
Garf will be the backup. Because if you let go
of new Garf, you're he's gone where Parade still has
option rights and you can hold on to him at Tacoma.
And you want to, Yeah, you want to keep all
three guys in your.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
Organization, right, and I don't want to see Parada get
sent down. But the last thing I want is to
not have all three. So if that's the way we
got to do it, then that's the way we gotta
do it.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Hey, nothing wrong. We have a new Garf on your
baseball that's.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
Right, New Garf. That guy he's gont a winning smile.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
New Garf comes on the bus like, hey, new Garf,
sit by me?

Speaker 7 (47:58):
Yeah, come here, Hey, no, new Gar's supposed to sit
by me today.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Meanwhile, like when old Garf came down and they're like
seat's taken, all right. Pee is for piggyback.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Ashley.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Uh, I want the piggyback back me too.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
I said this.

Speaker 9 (48:22):
I'm not that exactly yesterday, but I said I like
the piggyback man and the six man rotation because we're
not saving the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
We get to save the bullpen if we're having this.
And I and for the record, and I've already stated
this this morning, I don't think we should be having
this much trouble trying to get our bullpen healthy and
available to us.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I don't know why it's such a challenge right now
when our bullpen has thrown the fewest innings of any
bullpen in the American League so far.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It doesn't seem to me like we've had some harrowing
moment where a starting pitcher was only able to go
an inning in two thirds and.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Shook our world.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I think the not pitching Munjos and Brash enough, only
saving them for certain opportunities has forced us to use
other guys more frequently, and it's thinned out our bullpen,
even though Munjosen Brash want to pitch more, especially Munyos.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I think that's what's caused this.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I don't know what to even describe it, logjam, whatever
it is that we have right now where we can't
get through a game. We're barely getting through games with
enough relief pitching. It stems from the way that the
group has been used to this point this year. It
has nothing to do with how much they've been used overall,
if that makes sense. And so if we're going to

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struggle this much with it, we got a long effing
way to go in this season. And if piggyback saves
us from using the bullpen and makes Dan's job easier,
since this seems to be, you know, the ultimate Rubik's
Cube in his life, he can't figure out how to
make this work. The piggyback gives you a night every
five nights, every six nights, if you get a day

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off in which you don't have to use theoretically the
bullpen at all. Now, I wouldn't put Miller back in
that role, but I maybe I goose two different guys.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I don't know. Probably would use Castillo still.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
But if we're going to struggle this much to get
through a week without a day off with our bullpen
and having one fewer guy, then maybe it's essential.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
The piggyback thing worked.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yes, it did, and we won two out of three games.
Both starting pitchers were phenomenal, and the bullpen did get
rested a lot more than what it does on an
average night in Major League Baseball. So if we're going
to struggle this much, if it takes, if we're on
June tenth and we're like our bullpen is taxed even
though they've been taxed least of any bullpen in the

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American League, then maybe we need the piggyback just to
save us from our decisions that we make regarding how
much we use our guys.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Yeah, I'm all for saving arms. It's a long season, right,
we want our guys to be healthy. We don't want
anyone to be overused. But I think we're taking it
to an extreme, and it seemed I mean, even in
the loss with the piggyback that wasn't on the pitching No.
So I don't know the argument for six man rotation
versus piggyback. I don't know how anyone could think the
six man rotation is a better option when you look

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at what the piggyback actually does for our bullpen.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I want the piggyback, picky back, piggyback, piggybackgyack, piggy back back,
piggy back, piggy piggyback, piggyback, piggyback back.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Finally and quickly, and I do have to be quick.
It's a good thing. Q is for quick, Ashley.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I realized Cal needs some time down there, but I
don't want to waste two home run games in Tacoma. No,
like five innings yesterday, He's already hit like one to
the wall and two over the wall.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
He's good.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Why wouldn't he be good?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
If he's good, he's good, if he's if he looks
like he can catch nine innings fling good. If if
he catches nine innings. I don't know if he's playing tonight,
I don't know. If they're going to give him a
day off, I don't know. But in his next game,
if he catches nine innings and looks good at the
plate again, then I say we bring him back in
time for Friday and I have.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
The Rainiers game.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I would like nothing more than to have the Cal
element on our broadcast on Friday night, but I would
rather have him in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Friday night catching.

Speaker 9 (52:32):
For him, and that's understandable, Yeah, I think if and
he doesn't seem to be feeling any ill effects, so
let's go.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Well, I say, one more time, he needs to catch
nine innings.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Give him.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
You know, they'll probably give him today off and then tomorrow.
I don't know exactly how they're doing it, but I
think this is gonna be a quick stint for Cal
in Tacoma. There's no rule that states he's got to
stay down there a week. If he's ready to go,
and he's hitting better and he looks better at the
play than he has all season long, then let's get
him in a Mariner uniform, get up all right, coming

(53:04):
out next, Reckless at Breakfast on KJR, and much much
more to cover. But man, that music has come to
mean something. It means it's time for the Seahawks One series.
It's something that we do every June, once per day,
we bring on one of the top minds in all
of Seattle to break down one key Seahawk player for
one entire interview, and today we've tabbed one from inside

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the house joining us on the program. He is the
venerable host co host of the Softy and Dick Radio program.
Dick Fane now joins us here on Chuck and Buck
in the mornings.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Good morning, sir, Hi Chuck.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
How are you doing.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I'm doing. I'm good. How are you doing? What's going
on with it?

Speaker 6 (53:45):
I'm as I mean, I'm better than old Garf not
as good as new GARV.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, there's a big gap there, right when you agree?

Speaker 8 (53:55):
Yes, I would agree.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You want to wake up feeling like new you don't
want to feel like too.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
And I've had both. I've had both morning, There's no
question about that for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, Oldgarve had bad breath. New Garth that sounds like centniment.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Absolutely that that was a really good comparison.

Speaker 8 (54:15):
You made last seven.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I wanted to honor you in that. Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
All right, Well, Seahawks one series, So one analyst breaking
down one key shawk player for one entire interview. We've
got our analyst here, it's Dick Fane, and so what
player do you like would you like to break down
for us today?

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Ah number fifteen in your program, number one in your hearts,
we saw flashes of greatness and then we saw a
whole lot of nothing.

Speaker 8 (54:41):
That would be wide receiver. Tory Horton.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Oh, Tory Horton. All right, very good, very good. What
is the role that you foresee for Tory Horton in
twenty twenty six. Let's start there.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Well, let's let's hope that all indications that he's coming
back in August and we'll be ready for at least
a good portion, if not all, of training camp. Let's
just assume those are correct, because this is the longest
shin injury I think I can ever remember in the
history of shin injuries. So let's let's just assume that

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he is back. And I think the thing that jumps
out about Tory Horton is his ability to just find
the end zone, and you know, and taking a look
at his history, I mean this is nothing new. I mean,
forty seven out of his three hundred and fifteen catches
in his football life have been touchdowns. I mean, it's
gone all the way back to high school. I was
looking at his high school numbers, and I mean he

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didn't catch a lot of passes, but the passes he
caught were touchdowns. I mean fifteen of his thirty seven
catches were for touchdowns. He had more touchdown success in
college and then you know, five catches, five catches for
touchdowns in thirteen receptions last year for the Seahawks, and
he also had a kick return for a touchdown. So
I mean, a guy finds the end zone. So I

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think that's something and really that's something that the Sea
have lacked for.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
A long time.

Speaker 8 (56:01):
I mean, when's the.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
Last time the Seahawks really had a red zone threat
that just had a nose for it. So I think
that's probably the role for him. It's not going to
be quantity necessarily. I don't think we're going to see
seventy catches from Tory Horton unless Cooper Cup you know,
proves that he just can't play anymore and Rashid Shaheed
gets injured or is ineffective, then maybe Tory Horton becomes

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your number two wide receiver behind JSN. But I think
for that could be the role down the road a
little bit. But for this year, I mean, I think
the role is get him in there in red zone situations.
Hopefully get him you know, fifty ish targets, thirty catches,
thirty five catches, and maybe at least match his touchdown

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output from last year, if not you know, get up
there into seven, eight, nine touchdown range.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
What did Buddy Ryan famously say or infamously say about
Chris Carter before he cut him? All he does is
catch touch And maybe we got the next Chris Carter
on our hands here.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
That would be really nice.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Dick Faine with us our Seahawks one series, He's chosen
Tory Horton to break down.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
I go back to the beginning of last year, and man.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
We were really worried collectively as a Seahawk fan base
and as I think a radio station, do we have
a deep threat in our receiving game?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Cup?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And JSN seem to be the same type of receiver,
And of course JSN went on to become the best
receiver in the National Football League last year. And yet
we go into this season with Horton having shown that
ability and Rashid Shahed now on the roster. They never
shared the field at the exact same time. So do

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you think that we have number one, avoided that question
mark heading into this year? And then number two, how
do you perceive Horton and Shahed sharing a field together?

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Yeah, and both on offense and on special teams too, Right,
I mean what's going to be the punt return situation.
I would imagine that.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
You know, it depends.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
I think it depends a lot on the production level
of Shaheed. I think he's going to get the first opportunity.
He's the guy that that you gave the contract to.
And you know, he still got at least one, if
not two years left on that on that contract, I mean,
it's a three year deal.

Speaker 8 (58:22):
But I mean, I don't think you're going.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
To be paying Rashid Shahed at age thirty a twenty
million dollar cap hit in twenty twenty eight, So it's
probably a two year contract for Rashid Shahed.

Speaker 8 (58:33):
And and so it just depends.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
I mean, I saw, I watched Shahid yesterday at practice.
He actually had a play on the sidelines that I
really didn't know that he was capable of making, where
it was kind of a little out route and he
got in front of the air, he got right in
front of the cornerback, you know, chopped his.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
Feet, you know, broke down and got by him.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
I mean that that to me wasn't something that I'd
seen Rashid Shaheed do. And and we've had a lot
of questions from Hugh millen On.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Really how good.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
A receiver is Rashid Shaheed really right? I mean, and
he as always said, hey, he can take the top off.
He's an elite, elite, elite return man. But he's just
right now kind of a mediocre wide receiver. But I
guess you could still get a little bit of improvement
from Shaheed because it's not like he's been used a
ton in his career, and so his balance with Horton,

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I mean it's a good problem to have. It's funny
because you have a lot of pass catchers on this
team that we all know, we all recognize the names,
and yet when you really break it down, do the
Seahawks really have a legitimate number two wide receiver.

Speaker 8 (59:39):
On their roster?

Speaker 6 (59:40):
And I think the question is still out there to
be had. I mean, we have no idea because Cupp
would have been that guy, but he might be old.

Speaker 8 (59:49):
Rashid Shaheed could be that guy.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
But he's really talented enough at the wide receiver position
to be a legitimate number two. Because the number two
guys getting you know, ninety targets, he's getting sixty catches,
he's getting eight hundred yards. I mean, that's what a
number two wide receiver does on a football team? Is
it Tory Horton? Could it be Tory Horton down the
road because he's so young. I mean, Horton's only twenty

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three years of age. He's gonna be twenty three most
of this season. So I think that's gonna be fascinating
to watch Chuck during training camp when Horton comes back.
How they use those two guys they is one simply
a replacement for another?

Speaker 8 (01:00:26):
Or do they use him together? And who becomes I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
I mean, honestly, if I had to guess who's the
number two guy in catches this year, I mean, could
it possibly be aj Barner? Could it maybe not even
be a wide receiver who gets the most amount of
looks and the most amount of catches? Because I really
feel like AJ Barner is the is the next guy
on that offense to kind of step up and become

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potentially that borderline Pro Bowl level player on your offense?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I wouldn't rule that out myself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Dick Vane with us here on our Seahawks Series one
analyst breaking down one key Shawk player for one entire interview,
and today we're breaking down Tory Horton, number fifteen, the
wide receiver who did make an impression last year, no
question about it, but he only played eight games and
doing so five touchdowns. But his season ends with that,
like you said, the longest shin injury of all time.

(01:01:21):
His college career also ended with an injury, and we
didn't get to see him the lot in his last season.
I mean, we have to be careful of sports talk
show hosts not to take lightly injuries and not to
cast dispersions because we know how physical the game is.
But there are some guys, Dick, I mean CJ. Prosie

(01:01:42):
for Shadpenny. I mean maybe they did just have bad luck,
or maybe they were injury prone and couldn't hold up
in the rugged gladiator National Football League. How much of
you is a little worried about whether or not Tory
Horton is one of those guys.

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Well, yeah, I kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
I kind of look bad when I pushed back at
the Softie and in the beginning of the season before
this longest shin injury of all time and Safti's like,
well you know he's he's injury prone. I was like,
what do you mean he's injury prone? I mean, he
tore it like he tore his knee once in college.
And you know that's that's one injury. It is that
really injury prone. And now here I'm here, I'm talking
about the longest shin injury of all time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
So may I mean, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Not I'm still not ready. I don't love the injury
prone label. You mentioned the I mean you mentioned the
poster child. I mean CJ. Pros is the poster child,
and Rashad Penny is probably a close second. I mean,
those are the poster children for Seahawks injury prone players.
And I'm not gonna dump Tory Horton in that boat yet.
But if Tory Horton comes back, plays four games and

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has another injury that keeps him out six weeks, two
months longer.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
Than you know that, that might be three strikes.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
You're out right there, and you might get the injury
prone label if you get the if you get the
three long term injuries over the course of two years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You know, Hugh talks about this a lot, and I look, frankly,
I've discussed this a lot over time as well. Just
you want a wide receiver corps that is varied. It's
almost like a basketball team, you kind of want to
point guard type and a two guard type and a
power forward type. And I think that the Seahawks have
kind of achieved this with this roster now with JSN

(01:03:24):
being your superstar, being your Jordan, and then you've got
Cup and Horton and Shaheed and Bobo. I mean that's
a good variety of completely different wide receivers. I think
you would agree with that. So when the Rams are
doing things to counter what the Seahawks do well by

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adding to their secondary so aggressively this offseason, have they
covered all their bases in your opinion, or have Mike
and John stayed a step ahead of them with the
versatility they have at this position right now?

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Yeah, I don't think this is a team that needs
to invest a lot of money on a number two
wide receiver. I mean, they invested quite a bit on
Rashid Shaheed with the contract and then trading the two
draft picks, and that's probably as far as the investment goes.
Three years, fifty one million for Rashid Shaheed. I mean,
that's a fairly significant investment, but it's it's more than

(01:04:22):
I thought they would give Rashid Shaheed but really, you're
paying for two players, right. You're paying for a wide
receiver that could potentially be your number two guy in targets,
and you're also paying for a all pro level return man.
So I mean that's got to be factored in as well,
because a lot of these number two receivers, most of
these number two receivers aren't return men at all, let

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alone all pro return men. So I like the Seahawks
wide receiver corps. I would call it solid. I would
call it deep. The only thing they're lacking again is
what we talked about a couple of minutes ago, is
do you have a number two guy? Or do you
even need a number two guy? Is it okay to
if you're gonna get x amount of targets, X amount

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of yards and x amount of touchdowns from somebody not
named Jack and Smith and Jigba, does it really have
to be a number two guy gets this much a
number three guy, number four? Or is it okay to
have three or four guys all around the same amount
of targets if they have, like you mentioned, different skill sets,
and I think they do.

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
I mean, every one.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Of those guys that you mentioned has been productive and
has scored touchdowns in different kind of ways, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
How much do you think we'll see beyond two receivers?
I mean, we've just gotten into the modern day world, Dick,
where I mean four or five receivers at a time.
But we've also started to transition a little bit away
from that in the National Football League, a little bit
more toward running the football. We've got teams with fullbacks
on their roster.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
We have a full back on our roster now, and
you mentioned Barner and what a step he could take. Well,
I got to believe that they believe a Royo is
going to take a step forward as well. So, I mean,
there's no way to know this until we get in
the regular season. But how much do you think we'll
see of double tight end with a fullback being How

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frequently will we even have more than two wide receivers
on a football field?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
If you're the Seahawks, do you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Think, well, if Horton's healthy, probably more than we did
last year. I think we probably won't be quite as
run reliant, especially at the beginning of the season without
zak Sharbona. And when you have zak Sharbona and Ken Walker,
then you know you're end you have no Tory Horton.
I mean, that's that kind of a pound the Rock scenario.

(01:06:42):
Don't get me wrong, We're not gonna fun and gun
it next year.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
I don't think Sam.

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Darnold's gonna be thrown for fifty five hundred yards next season.
But I do think that there, I think they'll be
a little bit more balance in their attack, a little
bit more balance in their formations where.

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
You want to get.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
I mean, obviously Jsn's going to be out there. The
effectiveness of Cooper Cup, you know, is he you know,
is at least as good as you was last year
as he take another step back, that's going to determine
your formations.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
A little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
And and whether they can find a way to get
Horton and Shaheed out there together and not be a
redundant situation. I think that's gonna be a dependent that.
That's one of the things that I'm really going to
be interested in watching this team in training camp is
what do the formations look like and how much are
they going to lean on the on the running game?
Got it to my first chance to watch Price yesterday,

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and uh, you know the thing I that that jumped
out at me at first about him is he seems
to be very comfortable in traffic. Uh, there were a
lot running, a lot of things up the middle and
where he just kind of he's kind of get there.
He'd kind of slow down a little bit, he'd see
a hole and he kind of bounce a little bit,
and so you know where you know, you see those
running backs sometimes they kind of disappear into the pile
and then they and they pop out the other side.

Speaker 8 (01:07:55):
Now, obviously the running.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
Back is is probably the hardest position to evaluate in
a non contact situation as there is. But you know,
I was, at least at first glimpse, if you would
have told me, hey, that guy right there, number eight,
he was a first round draft pick and I just
watched him yesterday for the first time in person, I
could have been like, Okay, yeah, I can I mean,

(01:08:18):
I wasn't like, Wow, that guy's unbelievable, but I was like, yeah,
I can see how that guy was a first round
draft pick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Dick fanus with us as we wrap up this episode
of our Seahawks one series. Dick on Tory Horton, the
wide receiver who made his debut with the team a
year ago. Eight games, thirteen catches, five touchdowns, also returned
to punt for a touchdown. Look very comfortable in that role.
So scale from one to ten. I mean, how big
a fan are you of your weapon of choice here today?

(01:08:46):
How good do you think Tory Horton is and how
good do you think that he could ultimately be as
a Seahawk?

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
Yeah, I think high end.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
I mean when you're just talking about potential, I'm like
a seven and a half. I mean I think he could.
I think he could be a legitimate if staying healthy.
I don't think he's a number one in the NFL.
I do think Tory Horton could be a legitimate number
two wide receiver in the NFL. And if he stays healthy,
I think I think he could be. I mean we've

(01:09:15):
talked to Hugh for a long time about him. He
is very high on Tory Horton. It's just a health right.
And so if Tory Horton gets out of this injury mode,
I don't know why down the road and mentioned already that.
I mean he's twenty three years of age and it's
going to be twenty three almost this entire season. So
he's got like four years, four seasons of prime before

(01:09:39):
you even start to think about he's going.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
To be heading the other way.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
I see, I don't see why he couldn't be a
seventy catch, sixty five catch, nine hundred to one thousand
yard receiver at some point during that four year stretch.
It's not going to be this year, right, but it
could be when Rashid Shaheed. Let's let's say Tory Horton
explodes over the next couple of years and the Seahawks say, Okay, yeah,

(01:10:03):
we we're not going to have a nineteen million dollar
cap hits in twenty twenty eight for rashidza heat. We're
going to cut him and then boom, Cooper Cup's gone
at that time, Boom, all of a sudden, Tory Horten's
your number two behind JSN.

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
And I think Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Fans would be really happy about that if they saw
the progression over the next couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
All right, man, great stuff, Thank you very much, We
appreciate it. You got anything special plan for your little
radio show today?

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:10:28):
You know, it's it's Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
We've got Michael Florio today, we got pet tricks all
day and yeah, Hey, buttole.

Speaker 8 (01:10:36):
Is exactly right.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
We got to talk to you know, not just the
NFL news with Florio. We got to talk about the
Brendan Soresby situation too. He's been writing a lot about that.
That's been the topic dajure, So that means topic of
the day for you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
It's French out there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, so we're at Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
I think I'll have that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
So so carry on, ladies and gentlemen. I want to
hear more of new gar Okay again, a lot better
than old Garb.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I was not a fan of old Garby. Yeah, I know,
none of us were. Nobody really was, not, even Missgarf.
All right, man, thank you, we appreciate you. We'll talk
to you soon. Hey, guys, all right, Dick Thane joining
us here for our Seahawks one series.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
We had a hunch you wanted to hear the baseball
brunch today. I mean, there was a lot of wacky
stuff that went on in Baltimore, Maryland last night. So
a recap of last night's wackiness on KJR. All right,

(01:11:41):
nine o'clock hour here on this humpday. Thanks to everyone
that's participated in our little conversation about World Cup coverage yesterday,
and now we get ready. We are one sleep away
from the World Cup beginning twenty twenty six, and of
course Seattle is going to be a major part of that.
As a matter of fact, KJR is going to be
a major.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
We will be airing the US Paraguay game Friday night
at six o'clock right here at Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ R FM. Paraguay translated to guys, Okay, Yeah,
like a pair of right Uruguay?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I am assuming is then one? Why?

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
Or just when you're calling someone, it's like the informal Uruguay, No,
you're Aguay, something like something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
But you will be hearing the next guest that we
have on the air here on Chuck and Buck during
our broadcast coverage as well. Former Sounders great eight nine
years with the Seattle Sounders, Brad Evans now joins us
here on the radio program in time for the World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Good morning, sir, Good morning everybody. How are we doing.
We're doing great?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
How excited are you for this tournament to get underway
and for Seattle and yourself to have a part in
the theater gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I mean, this is a long time coming.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
I mean I was nine years old in nineteen ninety
four when the World Cup was last held in the
us SO and I've missed out on a World Cup
one of the last cuts for the twenty fourteen after
doing all the World Cup qualifiers, so that was a
bit heartbreaking to hear this one announced. It's finally my
opportunity to experience what it's like to have a World

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Cup in your country and to attend it is most important,
right this is a one cented generation tournament that's gonna
be held here and I'm beyond excited. And to be
involved obviously doing radio pre haf and post with you
guys is going to be awesome. To come in every
day and hopefully be in the stadium for one of
the matches. So I'm just excited. The Sounders have a

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ton of activations with the pier and the barge, and
we are working pretty much every day for the next
month and a half really, so it's gonna be busy,
but also it's gonna go by and the snap of
a finger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I know of your wound, and I don't mean to
pour salt into it, but I mean I do want
to ask Brad Evans that as a soccer player and
you're growing up in America and you, you know, you
become a star at the high school level, and then
you become a star at the college level, and then
you play professionally, and then you're good enough that you
represent the US and several different competitions and yet the

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biggest tournament in the world for you to have come
so close to being able to play, and it's something
I'm sure you dreamed about your entire life. How much
does it sting to this day that you got that
close and didn't get to participate.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Jeez, you said you don't want to pour salt on
the wound, and a one minute diatribe of pouring salt
completely on the wound that happened ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I mean to do it, but I think it does.
It's a I think it's an interesting story to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Tell right now, and I had to get it out
of you some way, and.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
I think, yes, yes, it is a tough You go
through your whole career and then you kind of get
this opportunity. You know, my opportunity with the national team
came from really nothing. I was kind of a fringe
national team player. To start, I was on a on
a basically a second team for the Gold Cup tournament
in two thousand and nine, so I got my feet
wet there, but I just kept putting my head down

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and plugging away. I was never the best player, never
the most skillful, but my mo throughout my whole career
and even as a youngster, was just I had to
outwork everyone and determination on the field. And yes, you know,
to see your your ultimate dream get cut short. At
the moment, it didn't. It doesn't sting as bad as
it does now, understanding when you leave the game that

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you left something on the table. You know, in the moment,
you still you know, you jump on the flight and
then you go back to the Sounders and you've got
a game the next weekend, so there's not too much
time to dwell on those big moments at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
But now you look back and you realize, wow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
It would have been great to, you know, tell the
kids one day that I participated in a World Cup. Yes,
it would have been amazing, But that's that's the reality
of sports. Like you said, it's the percentage of the
percentage of the percentage of the percentage is so small.
It's when I played, it was twenty three guys on
a roster out of you know, three hundred plus million
in this country. You know, however many million play soccer,

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you know, growing up, and then you kind of narrow
those numbers down. So it's it's a really big opportunity
for anyone in any place around the world. But you
learn a lot of lessons through through those defeats, I
guess you could call them and so it really allowed
me to put my head down and work hard. After that,
I did get called back into the national team quite
a few times to play in games, so my national

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team career wasn't done at that point. It was really
just the missed opportunity of making a World Cup roster.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
How have you tended to deal with people that remind
you of this painful thing? Yeah, I just kind of
avoid them at all costs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Hang up, never go on their radio shows again ever,
and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Tackle slide tackle them, slide tackle there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
You go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Better be wear in your shing guards when I see
you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Brad Evans is with us. I threw a lot of
compliments in there all time. One of the all time
sounders great joining US that right here, it's going to
be a part of our World Cup coverage for you
as well on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHRFM.
All right, So how important I mean we talk about
this all the time, and they've talked about this my
entire life. The US needing to take that step forward

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to start being mentioned amongst the great countries in the
world at this sport. So how important is this tournament
to the US reputation and the growth of its program.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Well, look, I think the US has taken leaps and bounds.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
There is an awesome vice documentary on YouTube that's a
series that kind of talks about the US men's national
team and it's come up, you know since the forties fifties,
first participating in this tournament that started in nineteen thirty.
The real shift was, you know, nineteen ninety four you
kind of got the buzz going in the US and

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then MLS comes around in nineteen ninety six, and if
you think about the rest of the world, what a
head start they've had with their domestic leagues consistently for
over one hundred years. Right, you talk about the powerhouses Brazil, England, Spain, France,
These clubs have been around since the eighteen hundreds and
consistently not taking breaks. Like in the US you had
the NASL, you've had a league, you've had USL, and

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now Major League Soccers had a good run for thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
And when you look at this roster, there's only eight
players that are domestically from MLS that are playing on
this roster. The rest are playing at the biggest teams
in the world. You've got AC Milan, Juventus. I mean,
you run down the list of guys playing in France
as well, some big, big teams.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
So you're starting to see a shift, albeit slow.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Now that doesn't mean that the rest of the world
has just taken a pause, right, Those players have gotten
better as well. So we're still playing catch up in
that respect. And now it's time for this group to
put it all together. With players that, like I said,
are playing in some of the best teams in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Can they do it as a team. That's going to
be the biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
I think when I look at this team that there's
a lot of fantastic individual players. Ziggi Schmidt used to
always tell us. Former coach of the sounders. You can
have one piano player, but the rest of us have
to carry the piano and I don't know if I
see that in this group. I see a lot of
piano players, and when that happens, things don't tend to

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work out too great. If they can figure out a
way to have one guy be the center point and
the rest of them do the work. That's what Argentina
does with Messi, That's what Portugal will do with Ronaldo.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
That's why those guys are the best.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
But this US men's national team needs to figure out
a way to have one guy shine and the rest
of them do the work to advance. Who's the Tournament's
a little bit different though, Christian polistic I think it
is the guy okay, right, he's the golden boy, and
if he can have a great tournament, he's going to
carry this team. Much like Landon, Donovan and Clint did.
They found a way to play together. So the tournament's

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a little bit different though. You've got you've got forty
eight teams instead of thirty two, so you will have
eight third place teams that advance. So the chances of
the US advancing are pretty high. I suspect they'll get
at least three points in the group. That'll that'll mean
most most certainly that they advance into the next round.
That's when the real challenge starts, because if you're third
place finisher, if you're you're gonna end up playing a

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first or second place team from another group.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That's gonna be the difficult task. Got to pick up
points in group play.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Brad Evans is whether, so, what do we know about
Paraguay going into Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Yeah, I mean, Paraguay is a strong team.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
You figure when you talk about South America, you talk
about some of the best teams in the world consistently,
I mean the top three from South America, Columbia, Argentina
and Brazil. All those teams have a chance to win
this tournament. And now you're talking about a Paraguay team
that had to go through that qualification with those teams
and get results, which they did. I mean, you've got

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an MLS player Miguel elmi Ron who played in the
English Premier League. You kind of run down the list
of what is going to be a very technical but
a very intense team. The last time these teams face
there was a massive brawl at the end the US
ended up winning two to one, so there's a little
bit of tension in this game stemming from that one
about a year ago. It's going to be a difficult

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challenge for the US because these South American teams, they
consistently play in their big tournaments every two years. They've
got Copa Sudamericana, which all those players played domestically in
massive games down there. So when they come together, there's
something different about putting on a jersey in a World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I expect a low scoring game, and I don't usually
make predictions.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
I don't like to, but I think US, being on
home soil in Los Angeles, I'm guessing two to one,
just to get off on a good foot, it'll be
huge for them to get three points.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Longtime sounders, Great Brad Evans, our guests here as we
get you ready for the World Cup where one sleep away.
It gets started tomorrow Friday night, US has taken on
Paraguay and Brad Evans is going to be part of
our broadcast month here in coverage of the World Cup
twenty twenty six, which we'll touch of course Seattle throughout
the month as well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I mean, I'm not as.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Big a soccer fan, Brad as I am as some
of the other sports, and so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
I mean I always hear about soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
That that was a big upset, But when you're talking
about a sport where usually the scores two to one,
one to nothing, I mean it's usually within a goal.
I mean, how big of an upset would it be
if the US were to not get out of their group,
or if the US made a deep run into the playoffs.

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I mean, what's the fine line between something that's in
soccer that is expected and something that is shocking.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Yeahat point, I think the more shocking point of or
storyline would be the USA not advancing out of the group.
I think it's more realistic for these guys to make
a decent run in this tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
It would be a success.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
I think if the team makes the quarterfinals, I think
you could realistically look at the FIFA rankings, we sit
like seventeen, So if you're thinking quarterfinals, that's the top
sixteen teams. You're kind of right on par with where
your ranking is in the world. Now, if they advance
past that, you know it's possible. For sure, they're going
to have to show up and show out and play
out of their minds. But I think realistically making it

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out of the group isn't good enough for this team
and the occasion. Now, if this tournament was being played
somewhere else, I would think making out of the group
would be a plus.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
But these guys have higher standards.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
The head coach Putchettino's coach some of the biggest teams
in the world at the club level. His expectation is
that he can take this team on a deep run,
and he's a real thinker. He's not like a Jurgen Klinsmann,
a prior coach who was just jovial and happy and
not really a tactician. This new head coach is a
pure tactician and hopefully he can get this US team

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on the same page. But since the US is at home,
the expectations are much much higher. It would be a
massive disappointment and people would say, oh, yeah, this is
typical the US. They get knocked out of the round.
They didn't rise to the big occasion. We need to
have something happen like two thousand and two where the
US turned some heads and really, you know, you beat

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Portugal South Korea and then you make it to a
game against Germany where they didn't have var at the time,
but what would have been a USA goal to find
themselves in the round of eight. That is the expectation
for this tournament and this group. Now there's a lot
of pressure with that the whole country hosting. There's going
to be an intense amount of pressure on these guys,

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but they're used to it. Like I said, they're playing
in some of the biggest teams in the world where
there's probably even more pressure on a weekly basis all
year long.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
With those teams, it's it's now up to them.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
And you know, when the draw came out, everyone was clapping,
Oh it's Australia, Paraguay, Turkey. But the flip side of
that is all those teams are thinking the same thing
about playing the USA. I don't think any of the
other teams in the group are saying, oh, that's a
that's a potential world champion. Everyone else is thinking I
can beat that team. And so this group is gonna

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be really interesting to watch because I do think that
they everyone has a realistic chance of picking up points.
It's gonna be you know, who gives up the least
amount of mistakes in the game, Like you said, two
to one, one nil could be a goal, a pk
and then it becomes a chess match after that, just
to survive to get through to the next round.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Who has the best team in the world in your opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
On paper, I think it's France. They really do, and
and they've they've showed that consistently. They're you know, they're
ranking is number one, but then you know every now
and then it'll it'll fluctuate. It's Argentina at certain point,
and when you have Messi on the field, anything can happen.
I think Spain has has shown that they can play

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like no other team.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
In the worlds there's a reason why.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Spanish football has looked at as the pinnacle. Barcelona, Real Madrid,
Athletico Madrid, the best teams in the world right there
in one league. I don't know if one of those
teams truly will win it. It could be a dark
horse tournament because there are forty eight teams. But at
the end of the day, there's a reason why the

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best players on France, Spain, Brazil has an incredible chance
to win this. Argentina, there's a reason why all those
players play at the best teams in the world's because
they have a realistic chance at winning this tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
In our last minute. You know Soccer, you know Seattle,
you know them both very very very well. How do
you think we're gonna do as a host here for
the World Cup? What's the next couple of weeks? We ask,
next few weeks gonna be like here?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Yeah, Look, I think Seattle will blow it out of
the water. You've got soccer hotbeds all throughout this country,
and when it comes to international soccer, you've got Boston,
New York, Chicago who have real international mixes on a
massive scale. Right, We're talking ten million people in such
a small vicinity that is supercultural, multicultural, and then you

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come over here to the Pacific Northwest, it's a little
bit different, but still multicultural. And the Sounders have shown
that with our fan base. The Rain have shown that
with their fan base and soccer speaks the world's the
world's game, and what the Sounders have done and prepared
on the waterfront, no one else in this country has
taken those steps to do something Remotely. They'll have watch parties, yes,

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but when you've got this barge that's been built out
with a field on it on the water. You've got
the peer set up activations every single day, Former Sounders, Legends,
Rain Players, rain Legends. Just it's going to be a
massive soccer show. And to be here in the Northwest
where it will be realistically cool, right, the rest of
the country is going to be sweltering hot. Right, It's

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just a fantastic opportunity to show up, show out and
show what we do up here in our little upper
left corner.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, well, great having you on. I hope you've forgiven
me for the way that this started. And we're looking
forward to your coverage and hopefully we can we can
chat again, but if not, have a ball and we're
looking forward to hearing you from you here on KJAR.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Yeah, I appreciate it, guys. Thank you all right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Brad Evans former Sounders, great joining us right here and
he'll be doing pre and post and intermission and everything
else throughout the course of the coverage, and we appreciate
him popping on with us here today again us Friday
night at six o'clock against Paraguay right here on KJAR.
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Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
All right, coming, I'm next. It's time for SUP.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I know we don't normally do it at nine point thirty,
but we're looking for your questions. You can ask Ashley
a question myself. A question would be about sports, it
could be about you can pry into our personal lives.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Whatever you want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Four nine four five to one, but your question must
start with SUP, as in what's up, and then direct
it's at the person that you want to answer the question.
If it's both of us, then it's both of us.
But sup, is yours to play with? Next text line
four nine four five one Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. So yeah, it's us, Sup, question Mark, and

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so we ask you two weigh in four nine four
five one. You take control of the programming here four
nine four five to one, Sup, as in what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
What's up Ashley? What's going on with blot dot dot
dot dot. So that's the way it works, So we
don't normally do it here at nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
So I figured I owe you to explanation here as
to what's coming your way. What do we have then,
in terms of questions.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
We've got this one from the two five to three, Sup, Chuck.
I don't think Walter Jones would do against Aaron, Aaron
Donald or Miles Garrett, all in their prime.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Right now, not too well. Walter's a little far removed
from the game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
I mean, I think, let's put it this way, as
well as anyone that's ever played the game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I think he could handle Miles Garrett for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I mean, the greatest left tackle arguably against arguably the
greatest right defensive end. Yeah, I think Miles Garrett would
beat him on occasion, but most of the time, I
think Walter Jones wins that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
I mean even when a record setting number of sacks
is twenty three over sixteen games, so that's just a
little over or seventeen games, that's like one in a
third sacks a game. So most of the time Miles
Garrett gets beat by the left back. And so if
you have the greatest of all time, yeah, I think

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Walter Jones. I mean he's not gonna stop him every
single time, but he's going to do a better job
than just about anyone that's ever played.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Walter in seventeen games Garrett against Walter Jones,
if they played seventeen times against one another, I promise
you Miles Garrett would not get a record number of sacks,
probably be around eight eight.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Yeah, that would be a decent Okay, yeah, you do well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Give him nine, which is more than most people got again.

Speaker 9 (01:32:03):
Right, yeah, let's see, uh sup, Chuck from the two
five to three, what is the biggest rift you've ever
had with somebody at a station and has it ever
come to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Blow, never has come to blows. I probably it was
probably you know, I said I'd be honest about it.
Probably the time with Bucky.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
We got into a disagreement with something one time and
he kind of because Bucky's very large and can be intimidating,
and he kind of like stared me down and I
went off like a Roman candle, but you're not going.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
To do that to me in the workplace. Uh, And
he did not like that. But we ended up, I think,
in a better place. But it's always there, It's always
in the back of our heads. So that was probably
the biggest rift that we ever had.

Speaker 9 (01:32:55):
Well, as Purple Sheet says, I mean, if everybody got along,
this would be a boring workplace with.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah got along.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Well yeah, So I didn't like him like trying to
like intimidate me physically, and then he didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Some of the words that I use.

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
Okay, that's fair. Well, you brought up Bucky. So we've
gotten a lot of Bucky questions. We've got to Chuck
and Ashley, where's Bucky? Can we get an update on Bucky?
We miss him? And what's up with Bucky? Participating in
a home run derby but not showing up for the trees. Well, no,
he's on medical leave. It's not that he's just not
showing up for work.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
Right right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I mean, I'm glad it was asked that way, because,
believe it or not, people are like angry with Ashley
and I, Yeah, like we have anything to do with this.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
And secondly, you do have to understand there are laws
that govern this there with him being on medical leave,
it means he can't really contact us, and we can't
really contact him because it would be seen as us
pressuring him. Even if we were just hey, we missed you,
come back, it would be view it could be viewed

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as pressuring him to return to work when he has
medical stuff, and that's the reason that he's on leave.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
So he got an.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Additional extension, so we weren't expecting it to take place.
From what we understand, it's nothing to be concerned about.
But obviously there are issues enough that he needed another
extension to the medical leave. So we don't have really
any information and we don't have any control over it whatsoever,

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and we really can't do anything about it until he's
off medical leaves, and we have no idea when that
will be, and we don't know when that's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
So that's just where we are. You know what, since
it's been brought up, You know how they do things
here when somebody's gone, we're not allowed to talk about
him at all, right, So the fact that we keep
bringing him up every show should show you this is
not one of those scenarios for those of you that
are accusing us of.

Speaker 9 (01:34:56):
That, Yes, of lying and thinking covering things up, and
his answers to running on the station just so you know, Yeah, his.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Ads are still running.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
So I mean, there's a plenty of evidence that suggests
that this. You know, we're being forthright with you about
all of this. But yes, he's been out for an
extended period of time and we don't know when he's
going to be back, and I really don't even know
the severity to his reasons for not being here. So
we'll find out eventually, and as soon as we have

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any information, we'll pass it along to you.

Speaker 9 (01:35:25):
There you go, Yeah, let's see sup with both of you.
When you listen to other shows, do you listen for
content or are you listening for like radio technical prowess.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Oh, I looks for them to screw up so I
can hold it over their heads.

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
I listened, like in the morning's on my drive and
I listen so I can argue with them or be like,
oh that's a good point. Oh, come on, you idiots,
Like no, that's not you know, like I have my
own conversation with them back and forth. When I listen
to music stuff, I'm listening like, oh, well they did
that well, or they didn't do that well. How do
I how could I use that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Yeah, it's strange because I did not. I have not
always done sports talk radio. I got away from it.
I did comedy radio, music radio for a good chunk
of my career, and then I came back to sports
at the tail end.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
When I was not a sports talk show host, I
would still listen. I would listen to sports talk radio,
as you know, and I would get more angry then, Like,
you're right, when you are in the business, you're just
sort of listening so that you didn't miss anything.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
Yeah, make sure you're caught up on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
You're supporting your teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
You want to hear how they're doing and how they
handled said subject and then you also listened for Oh,
I didn't think of that angle. Either I need to
have an opinion on that angle or I need to
either acknowledge it or counter it the next day, something
like that. And so yes, you kind of do use

(01:36:58):
it as a scouting report, if you will, for your
own show, and what you should be talking about the
next time that you cracked the mics. And so those
three things I would say combined. But I'll tell you though,
when I was in the car as a funny morning DJ,
you know, morning Zoo kind of guy who was just

(01:37:21):
trying to push the envelope all the time with edgy comedy,
and then I'd get in the car and I listen
as just a listener of sports talk radio. Man, for
some reason, I yelled a lot more at the car back,
did you idiot? What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
It?

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
Moron?

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
Just probably help people listen to us. Oh, I'm sure
from the two O six up, Chuck. There's always a
lot of debate about the best baseball movie of all time?

Speaker 7 (01:37:44):
But in your opinion, what is the worst baseball movie
all time?

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Worst baseball movie?

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
I mean, mister, baseball wasn't great, it wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I didn't mind that one so much.

Speaker 9 (01:37:55):
I would never put it in the best category though,
that's the only one I could really think of.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
It might be man.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
I immediately thought the question was going to be what's
my favorite? What do I think is the best? And
that's Bull Durham, So I can say that the worst
baseball movie of all time? Oh boy, I guess base
What was the one with Napoleon Dynamite and David Spade?

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Bench warmersh bench warmers, the bench warms.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Not that I watched it from beginning to win, but
I saw enough of it that I'm like, I can't
take this.

Speaker 7 (01:38:25):
Wasn't it was basketball about basketball or baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
And basketball was actually kind of funny. I wasn't, but
that's from the South Park guys. Yeah it was. It
was combining the two. It was, yeah, we're gonna invent
a sport that combines baseball and basketball?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
So it was basketball then they were the Beers I
remember correctly. That wasn't terrible. I mean it was, you know,
it was one of those like were there are ten
fifteen really big laughs, and but for the most part
it swung and missed more than it hit.

Speaker 9 (01:38:56):
Okay, Yeah, and let's see, I'm gonna grab one more here, gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
And there's a lot of good baseball movies. I'll say
baseball and boxing do the best job of making movies.

Speaker 9 (01:39:07):
Yeah, I like baseball movies the best in football movies,
there's a lot of good football movies from the two
five three except Ashley and Chuck. How come you guys
don't do cross talk like the other shows? Do you
just figure you have too much to cover with the
time you have.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
You know what that started with.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
When I went to mornings, Puck said he didn't want
to do it, he didn't really like doing it, and
so I'm like, well, I'm not going to force you
to do it for sure, And then we created one
last thing, and then one last thing I enjoy. I
think that's a great way to close out every show.
So there was talk about maybe bringing it to our show,

(01:39:48):
and I just told our boss, I like, one last thing,
I don't want to do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Yeah, I don't want to do cross talk.

Speaker 7 (01:39:55):
Yeah, it's our little moment to all have something to
end on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
So so that was sort of it. It wasn't I
didn't do it with Mitch. By the way, when I
was doing middays. Mitch didn't have me on, so I
didn't think it was part of the show. It got suggested.
Puck told me. That was one of the first things
he said, like, hey, I don't want to do cross talk,
so if you don't, you don't want to do it either.
Let's just not do it. He wanted to prepare for
his show. I wanted to use the last fifteen minutes

(01:40:20):
prepare for his show. So we never did it. So
it never started. And then when conversations began about maybe
we should do it, I'm like, no, I like one
last thing to close the show.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Yeah, we're going to stick with it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Love it, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
So coming up next

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Cross Talk on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

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