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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 5 (00:25):
The action never stopped? Are you writing this down?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
No?

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Something complete? This is Chucking buck in the morning.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Boats?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Why you people are beyond Let's.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Go, Let's get the game off. Hey, good morning, and
welcome in to the radio show. It is Chucking Back
in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k

(00:56):
j R FM, Heronic glorious Monday here in Seattle, Washington.
We welcome you to our four hour radio program. And
when I do say we, I mean Ashley Ryan and myself.
Bucky Jacobson is still out on medical leave, and so
we roll on here on this Monday morning. We hope
you all had a great weekend. You're off to a

(01:16):
great start this morning, and we got a lot of
topics to get to.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Ashley, good morning too, you good to see you, Good morning,
Good to see you. How are your a couple of
days off?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
They were good, very good, very good. Like I don't
think that I didn't go out of town or anything
like that. I just kind of enjoyed. It's amazing how
long days are and how much you can get done
when you don't have to carve out like eleven hours
per day for sports.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I mean I still watched sports, and I still enjoyed sports,
but like it was just kind of on my time
and on my schedule and so so yeah, I mean
I got a lot accomplished over those two days. And
I'll tell you this, I didn't feel like I was
gone for four days. When I pulled into my parking
spot today, it felt like, oh I was just here.

(02:10):
So it went fast, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
It always does. The free time always flies by.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
How are things? How did Thursday and Friday go? I
heard a little bit of it.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Oh yeah, it was good. We had Dick Fainnan on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah that was terrible.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, you know right, that guy. We had Greg Bell
on Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Did he work a double? No?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh no, no, no, he came in and did this,
and then Chris Crawford did his show.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Oh I see okay, yeah, so Chris Crawford will make
you jump, Daddy Mac will make you jump. Yeah, well, yes,
so good. But it all went well. Place didn't burn down?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
No? No, no, pretty obvious.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
We're still here. Which place not burning down is not
always an obvious all jump?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
True, that's true. I did hear there were some electrical
issues again.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That part.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, Ian's show went down, went dark bike on Maybe
that was Wednesday. I don't remember. When you're off, just
you know, getting high on life. Things just run together
like that's the only thing you were getting high on. Yeah,
that's true. Aaron Rodgers and I.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, now Oscar retreat YEP.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's you got me, nailed me. That's what happened. I
was trying to keep that. Boy, it only took three
and a half minutes. I was trying to keep that
time from that all over my eyes. I'll tell you what.
I was gonna save that for OPQ and instead now
it's out, cats out of the bag. Well, good morning

(03:42):
to you, Welcome into the show. It is strange. My
birthday was Thursday, which I don't normally promote, but because
of the Colin Ray concert, we ended up making like
a thing out of it. And so yeah, I got
a lot of birthday love, including a terrific party thrown
to me by Arden, who is our sales manager here
and she's awesome and went out of her way to

(04:06):
make Anders and I the birthday boys feel special last Wednesday.
So I want to do on air thank her for that,
But I also want to shame her because now, thanks
to her and Ashley, Ryan and Jenny, we now have
floating fake heads of mine floating around the office.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, AI generated chuck images, yes this one.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean, the Bucky ones have been floating around for
months and they have not gone away, so I have
something to compare it to. So Arden makes like these
little fat head things of baby pictures and stuff that
she can get her hands on, and so BUCkies still
are all over the place. So now I come to
work today and I'm reminded that I have my own

(04:50):
fat heads. But mine are a little different because mine
aren't even me.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Right, well, they're based off you. It's off the image
that's on the webs site.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
All right, so you AI Tybe pictures. And then like,
I is that supposed to be like my high school?
I love that I have the wrinkles around my eyes
that's supposed to be me in high school.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, because AI couldn't quite figure out how to make
you younger. The first one, though, was the best one.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I was.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
We did that image. We're like, okay, now give him
a mullet and a tuxedo, and it was just you
currently with a mullet and a tuxedo and your facial hair.
And then we're like, no, now make him younger, or
we said something, you know, and you know what, Ai,
it tried hard.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
It did, I mean it, I mean it did strike
me as that's pretty similar yeah to the way I
looked once upon a time. I looked a lot younger
when I was actually.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Young, yes, which is important to note.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And yes I had a free flowing mullet that did
have a permanent applied to it, but it wasn't all over.
I kind of looked like a poodle going through pubic
haired pubic hair nightmare. And the and the photo that
you gave So now that is going to haunt me

(06:06):
for I don't know how long now, because it's probably
never going to go away. They're probably going to be
floating around. I mean, Arden's already put two up in her.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
In her I mean they people do put them by
their desks. I did not take one, so don't worry.
I will not be a part of keeping one around.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, good for a long time. I didn't take a
couple home to show the unicorn, and she did get
a good laugh out of you.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Think of the cupcakes.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
And then the cupcakes I took next door because it's
gluten right, but saw them, and then I took them
to a local business that we frequent and let them
have the cupcakes. Nice but and they got a big
kick out of the faces too.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
But anyway, so thank you to you and Jenny and
too Arden and to the entire staff because.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
That was nice AI and did in real life.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yes, yes, exactly. So I don't know how many times
over the next few weeks I'm going to be asked
the question, is that really how you looked?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, it's gonna happen a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, yes, and no, let me tell you a story.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Let me tell you a little story.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
All right. Well, we're delaying the inevitable because it's time
to talk about a baseball team, which you know they're
not gonna win them all. And lately they've been playing better,
but you go to Detroit and you feel like, okay,
we kicked that last one at home against the Mets,
and Tigers have been struggling a little bit, even though
we know they're a pretty good team on paper. After all,

(07:36):
they took us to the mat to you know, in
the playoffs last year. We know how good they are,
and they've very narrowly knocked us out before we even
got to the American League Championship series. So we know
they can play ball there in Detroit, but they've had
a bad season to this point, and we didn't want
them getting well against the local baseball team. And yet

(07:56):
they seem to have gotten well. They take two out
of three. But frustratingly so the Mariners seem to own
that game yesterday. They seem to have it under control
the entire way. And then and then just some weirdness
which certainly we're going to dive into here on the

(08:18):
radio program right now. And look, there's the Andre's Munjos
element of this that certainly comes to mind. And I
am going to spend some time really just I'm going
to spend an entire fat segment today, one of our
fat segments today talking about Andres Munos because obviously he's
not on his game. But I think, Ashley, you know

(08:40):
where I'm going with this, because my frustrations fell a
lot more at the feet of Dan Wilson yesterday than
they did at Andres Munjos. And you know why, I'm
sure because I talked about it so frequently.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, you can't have a guy pitch so infrequently and
then expect him to be sharp.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's the way I feel. That's the way Andres feels.
And I don't understand why we can't. I mean, we've
got all of this numerology that we pour over, this
analytics and this nerderama that we employ down the street
at T Mobile, and yet just the basic principle of

(09:18):
does the how when is our closer at his best?
And it's not every five six days. I can tell
you that. And he's even told you that.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
That's the thing is he said it himself, this is
this isn't good for me.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
We've discussed it ad nauseum. And I'm not saying that
Dan Wilson's listening to us and making his game plans
based off of us, No, but enough people have discussed it.
It's out there. I don't know how it is not
more obvious. And so I'm gonna lay some at Andre's
Muno's feet. I mean, get the job done. Why why
do you struggle when you've been given so much rest?

(09:56):
But one thing was very obvious about yesterday, and that
was he was fresh. He was throwing harder than he
had all season long. He was throwing one on one,
one hundred and two mile per hour fastball that was back.
So there's no doubt that he was fresh from all
the excess rest that he has been given as of late.
But he was also not anywhere close at times to

(10:17):
the strike zone, which shows you that he was out
of rhythm. He was out of his sink. And that
comes from him being so used so infrequently, and it
keeps happening over and over this season, and there were
plenty of times that Dan had the opportunity to use
him over the course of the weekend. Hey, if we

(10:38):
really are starting to wonder if he should be our closer,
then let's not make him our closer. I'm saying every
single night, let's not have the idea that the only
time we ever put Andres Munnos in a game is
when we have the lead in the ninth, and yet
that seems to be the way that Dan Wilson is operating.

(10:59):
He should pitched Saturday. We were up four to nothing.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Why wouldn't we use him then?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And I get it, some closers don't. They don't perform
as sharply when there's not a save on the line. Well,
let's start start getting him out of that, you know,
four to nothing. That seemed like a perfect time since
we hadn't used him in four days, to throw him
into a game. It's not like we were blowing them away.
You use Gabe Spire and right now he's as valuable
as Andre's munyos, if not more so. In that game

(11:27):
that was an opportunity. And then on Friday even I mean,
I know we were down two, but that's a bloop
and a blast away. And for whatever reason, Dan Wilson
believes that if you're down to the game's over and
we're gonna throw our worst pitcher out there, as opposed to, hey,
we're down to we're a bloop and a blast away,

(11:49):
and we got to get Andre some work. I have
not you. We had a day off on Thursday. I
didn't use him on Wednesday I haven't used him in
five days, and he's told me, he's told me he
needs more usage. We can't. We can't keep going five
or six days without using somebody that obviously relies on
that rhythm. So why not throw them into Friday? We

(12:10):
had the momentum in that game. We're a bloop and
a blast away from tying the damn thing up. By
then we throw. And I don't mean offence to Alex Hoppy,
but he is the last guy in our bullpen that
we would use. And those guys are called mop up guys.
And mop up to me is when you're up six

(12:31):
or down five, you know, not when you're within a
bloop and a blast of tying the damn thing up,
you've got momentum. The Tigers have had trouble with their
bullpen all season long. Why not use Munno's Friday, keep
the score at two runs, keep him in his rhythm.
And there is and I don't know where it is written,

(12:51):
because I believe me, I've started to break down the numbers,
which we'll get into at seven o'clock today. He's actually
better on no day's rest than he is on two
days rest or three days rest or four days rest
or five days res definitely five. Yeah, And so I
put a lot of it on Dan Ashley. I think

(13:14):
that he's not managing and you know what, shame on
andres that he's not better equipped to handle this he
should be at this point in his career. But I
also think that we do all of this number crunching
cons have all We have a phone book worth of
data that we hand over a manager at the beginning

(13:36):
of every game, pour over this data like never before
in the history of sports, and yet we can't figure
out a fundamental thing that the yahoo's down the road
on KJR have been telling you for two months. You
cannot let this guy go five six days without pitching
because he gets out of his rhythm. He's told you everybody,

(14:00):
He's told you, and yet we keep falling into the
same trap over and over and over. I'm tired of
our manager only using our closer when it's a safe situation.
It's driving. It's driven me up a wall. And for
those of you that thought I was going to come
on the air and backpedal on this a little bit
and have to admit, oh, well, we got to make
a change. No, yeah, we do have to make a change.

(14:22):
And I'm not talking about the manager position, but the
way he handles Munyos is what needs to change, not
Munyos well.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And it should say it in that telephone book of information, right,
I guarantee you it shows how poorly he does in
those exact situations. But more importantly than that, as you mentioned,
he has said it himself. You have to take the
word of the person who you are relying on to
go into a situation and what they are and aren't
comfortable with. And if Munho says I'm not pitching enough,

(14:51):
then he's not pitching enough.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
It doesn't matter what your book says, but your book
could back it up. So you've got two things.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
You've got your book that you really so heavily on
and you've got a person saying it from their actual mouth.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Use me more, use me mo, so use him more. Okay.
So here's the compromise on all of this. Let's not
treat him as a you're our only closer. Let's do
that if that's what okay, So some people want him
remove from the closer position. I don't want to go
that far because I think that when he's right he's
still our best guy, and I got the data to

(15:26):
prove that, which I will at seven oh five. But
if we don't have to use him as our only closer,
why can't this be the compromise? Why can't he be
used on Friday down two and then if you don't
want to use him the next day. Why couldn't we
have faith that Matt Brash could get a save, or

(15:47):
Jose Ferrer could get a save, or Gabe Spire the
way he's pitching right now game Spier's pitching better than
anybody out of our bullpen right now, why would we
think that they can't get a save? And so how
is that as a compromise, we will use Andres Munjos
in save situations, but he doesn't have to be the

(16:09):
only guy that gets us saves. And that way, we
can use Munyos in other ways during the course of
the game that don't necessarily reflect him getting a save.
I mean, all this analytics stuff that they did was
to point out that wins, we shouldn't be fighting for
a pitcher to get a win, and we shouldn't be

(16:30):
fighting for a closer to get a save. Those statistics
in the big picture don't really tell the whole story
of how to win that actual game. That's what analytics
are driven by. And so we have an analytics driven organization,
and yet we have a manager that is still trying
to get his closer a save every time he takes

(16:51):
the field, and I think that that's silly. So I
think the compromise is in order to get him more
work that we don't worry if we want to use
him on a Friday and don't want to use him
on back to back days, which I think silly, Then
we don't worry that Munjos is not available for us
on Saturday because we used him to get some work

(17:12):
on Friday. Will use for Air, We'll use Brash the
next day, Will you Spire the next day? And so
I think that this organization right now, Dan and the
front office are caught between the numbers and silly season
right now. And the end result is the mess that
you created yesterday, because we haven't even talked about the

(17:33):
Kriswell situation. What the f was that you had Bizardo
up and loose and ready to go, and then you
decided to wait un inning and then put Spire in
the game after Kriswell couldn't get anybody out in the step.
Use your best dude for them, help use Munos there
for goodness sake.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Well, especially because we know that these guys don't care
when they go in or what inning it is. They
just want to take care of bus when they go in.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You had Bizardo up, he was already ready, and they.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Got cute Well playing chess when they're playing checkers.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, Spire, we could say for the top of the order,
because that's when we want him in. And so let's
see if we can squeeze Kriswell even though Bizardo's already loose.
We'll we'll get Chriswell up. He'll face seven, eight, nine
in the order, and maybe we can steal three outs

(18:30):
and then have Spire face the top of the order,
and then we say Bizardo for and then we can
say Bizardo for tomorrow. And even if Chriswell can't get
those three guys out, then Spire comes in. Well, then
we'll say Bizardo for the eighth. And that's a total
waste of Spire, because now if Chriswell allows any traffic

(18:54):
at all, Spire comes in, he might only face one
batter because we refuse, do you use him in a
second inning after he's already been up. We don't like
to let our relievers sit and then go back into
the game. And that's a total waste of your best
reliever right now. And gave Spire stop getting so cute
with it. Put Bizarto in the damn game. He was

(19:16):
ready to come into the game. Put him in the seventh,
save Spire for the eighth, and Munjos for the ninth.
What is wrong with that? And instead Munyos that comes
in hasn't pitched in six days, and instead of having
a four run lead at that point or a three
run lead at that point, is dealing with a run
run lead. And then he walks his first guy and
you know it's, ah no, I don't have it. And

(19:37):
he walks the second guy and even the hit wasn't
that sound of a hit, but it found green grass
and both runs score and you lose the baseball game.
I mean, that was as botched as a three run
lead in the seventh can be botched. And that's not
all on Andre's Munos, some of it, but it's not

(19:58):
all on Andre's moon well.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
And definitely the parts that happened when he wasn't in
the game. Definitely not on him.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show. What's on tep?

Speaker 5 (20:12):
What's on tap?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
All right? Mariners do lose to the Tigers five to four.
We'll go through some of the details with Mariners morning
after coming up at six thirty this morning. Tigers take
two out of three, so the Mariners leave Michigan with
a thirty four and thirty two record. That's still good
for first place in the American League West, but only
a game and a half up on the Texas Rangers,

(20:34):
who are playing better baseball right now. In case you
haven't noticed, speaking of a team playing better baseball, the
Baltimore Orioles have been playing a better brand of baseball lately.
They are scoring a lot of runs recently, which is
what they're designed to do. They got off to another
terrible start this year, but they've battled their way back
and into wild card contention. And that's where the Mariners

(20:57):
will be tonight in Baltimore, Maryland, for a game series
against a team that is smoking offensively right now. First
pitch at three point thirty five. More on that later
in the show as well. College World Series has already
invited or accepted what six teams. Six teams are there,
West Virginia, Troy, Ole, Miss, North Carolina, Georgia, and then

(21:20):
last night, in a thriller, Texas came back one over
Oregon to knock the Ducks out. And so six teams
have their places in the eight team College World Series.
They'll determine the other two today starting at eleven o'clock.
Both Saint John's and Alabama and Kentucky, ECUMI, Kansas and
Oklahoma had their games suspended because of weather. So they'll

(21:43):
play a game and a half each of them today
and they'll settle this and by the end of the
day we will have our eight teams for the College
World Series. It is World Cup week. It is here.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Finally.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I really don't know what to do about it. I
don't know how to discuss it. I really don't know.
I really don't know. Yeah, because I'm not gonna sit
here and break down soccer camp. You can't do that.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
You don't want me to know.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Nobody wants it that from either of us.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, So I don't know how we're going to handle this,
but we'll be talking soccer. I promise it's a big
event here in Seattle. Starts on the eleventh, two sleeps
away from the World Cup being here. Andrewshurst is weird
about it.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
He joined us on Thursday and talked about it, which
was fun to hear. We had a whole segment about it.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, well, yeah, all right, Well just bear with us.
NBA Finals Game three is tonight in New York City.
The Knicks can go up three to zero on the Spurs.
They'll tip that at five point thirty. We'll certainly discuss
that later in the show. Stanley Cup Final they're saying
this is the most thrilling Stanley Cup Final ever. Game
four will be tomorrow night, and it'll be in Las Vegas,

(22:53):
where the Knights can go up three to one on Carolina.
Speaking of Las Vegas, the Storm are in Las Vegas tonight,
so maybe they can take in some hockey tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I'd be probably more fun than playing the Aces.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Seven o'clock start there. Meanwhile, Caitland Clark, the controversial Caitland Clark,
also playing tonight at Washington. They'll tip that at four o'clock.
Seahawks OTA's ended yes last week, but pretty much the
Seahawks one series has just begun, will continue it today
and throughout the month of June. One analyst breaking down
one key Seahawk player for one entire interview. Today, podcaster

(23:29):
friend handsome globe trotter Jackson Bevans will join us on
the program at eight o'clock and we'll find out which
Seahawk key wants to break down for one entire interview.
Coming up next Mariners Morning After Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. Down the line and fair and all

(24:00):
the way towards the corner, Julio. It takes his time.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
He's touching home. He's waving home, Naylor. Naylor was slowing down. Now,
puts down the gas pedal.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
He is safe at home.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Two runs in for the ms A Rosarina into second three.
Nothing that plays was a little closer at home than
it looked like it would be for a moment.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, I think they're gonna challenge this. You see who
we are waving in? Josh? Now, he was slowing up,
So car does the third base coach waving him in?
Did he get that left hand underneath Dingla's glove.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, it's gonna be close, Naylor, Who's through his sliding
mitt as he was holding it, not wearing it.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Oh my god, my favorite.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
He will do anything.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
He is a different cat.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
He will do anything.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Dingler hate your baby. What I wanted to hear from Ryan,
Roland Smith long, Dylan Dinglas, Hey your baby?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
He really failed us, didn't me.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time. That time you
were supposed to pick me up at the airport.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Oh he left you there for days?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, for days. I was there for eighteen days waiting
for him a long time. Good morning, welcome to our
second hour here on this Monday morning. Hope you all
had a great weekend out there. It is Ashley, Ryan
and Chuck Powell with you Sports Radio ninety three point
three Kate JRFM. Our Seahawks one series continues later on
today at eight o'clock. Jackson Bevans, a podcasting fame, will

(25:36):
be joining us today. He's always part of our Seahawks
one series. Can't wait to find out on which player
he wants to break down for one entire interview. We'll
do that today at eight o'clock. We also have NBA
Finals to discuss and more. Let me first though, get
to your headlines. They are brought to you by Frost
Brewed Corps like choose Chill. Yeah, we did win that

(25:57):
wacky thing on Saturday, but the Mariners lost Friday and
Sunday against the Detroit Tigers, including a five to four
loss yesterday. That, frankly, that's just a game you're not
supposed to lose. I agreed, And so the team at
thirty four and thirty two gets ready to head to Baltimore,
Maryland for a game tonight three thirty five. First pitch,

(26:19):
one of four games that are going to take up
that they play pretty much at the same time every
day for the next four days. So we got that
whole three thirty to six thirty block that's going to
dominate our week here as Mariner fans, and so that
gets started tonight. It'll be Emerson Hancock going up against
Chris Bassett, who has not been good this year, so

(26:42):
let's take advantage. First pitch at three thirty five.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Not good today.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, he's not left handed.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Okay, we'll see things are looking up already.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, three of the four starters we're going to face
right handed.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Because everyone figured out how good we are at hitting lefties.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
College world Series Texas, Oregon last night and a thriller,
they punched their ticket to the College World Series. So
that's now occupied. The eight seats. Six are occupied Texas, Georgia,
North Carolina, Ole, Miss Troy, how about Troy getting in there?
And West Virginia. Meanwhile, there'll be two more spots decided today.

(27:19):
There was rain yesterday that washed out Kansas and Oklahoma,
also Saint John's and Alabama, So come hell or high water,
they will finish their series. They'll play their scheduled to
play a game and a half both of them today.
So as long as rain doesn't wash anything out again today,
we will know our eight teams in the College World

(27:39):
Series by the end of the day. NBA Finals Game
three tonight, five point thirty is your tip the New
York Knicks can go up three to oh. They're saying
that ticket prices minimum ticket price to get into this
game tonight at Madison Square Garden six thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
And then they also have decided that you can't as
New York fans, hang out outside the stadium and watch
or like have your party there because the President's going tonight.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
So it's too much of a security risk.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You know what, I'm just gonna buy ten tickets might
as well.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
You know that's really them out to the listeners, And yeah,
that's the crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Who cares if you can't make it to New York
by five point thirty, I don't care.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
It's just money.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Why don't we just get a private jet?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Stanley Cup Final Game four tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Are they raving about this this series? Good Night Carolina
is down two to one to Las Vegas. They'll try
to even things up against the Good Nights tonight in
Las Vegas. That's where the storm are as well, taken
on the aces at seven o'clock tonight. And yes, this
is World Cup week. It is here. I know how

(28:45):
beloved and treasured that this is for soccer football fans
here in the Pacific Northwest. And I'm just gonna vow
right now, Ashley, I'm gonna do my very best to
make this as wonderful as I possibly can. You can
do it.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I have faith they need.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
We're gonna try. I really don't know what to say.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
The nice thing about World Cup is, you know what
it is, right, we know it's one tournament, so it's
not like we're gonna have World Cup and then there's
some extra little matches on the side that we don't
know what they are. You're just you're just trying to win.
Just watching games, Yeah, watching wins.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I honestly mean this. I'm not a soccer fan. I
want all soccer fans they can hear my voice right now,
to have the time of their life. And I really
mean that they will, yeah, for the next month, and
especially our own little soccer darlings, anders.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Hurst and Jack sweet cherubs.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh those sweet, young, impressionable boys. All right, well, let's
get into it. I've already warned that what we were
going to discuss here in this segment, and it's going
to be our closure. Andre Smunos, who blew is fifth
save of the season yesterday. He also has a three
and four record. Because of that loss yesterday to the

(30:04):
Detroit Tigers. I've had a few people reach out and say,
are you finally going to come around? I mean, I
have Greg Bell pretty much every time I leave the
studio now saying still believe in Munnos.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
And I do.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. I'm not being stubborn
about this. I'm really not, and I love andres. He's
one of the nicest human beings. But it has nothing
to do my analysis has nothing to do with how
nice a person that I think he is. Even yesterday
I saw a guy throwing his fastball as hard as
ever one hundred and one hundred and two miles prior.

(30:38):
He just couldn't locate it yesterday, And I think that
has everything to do with the fact that he's being
pitched so infrequently this year, and by his own demands,
his own please.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
He has said straight out of his mouth, I want
to pitch more.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
He's nice to pitching enough. And so when you go
five and a half days without him seeing the mound,
without seeing live action, and he doesn't have his command
at this stage, should we be all that surprised by it?
I mean, this is an organization that has ton tons

(31:15):
of data. They are an analytics driven organization, and I
think they've softened on that in the last couple of years.
The hiring of Dan Wilson was a gesture of we're
softening on analytics. We've got to marry the two. As
Bucky and I have said since we started doing this
show together, I don't dislike analytics. I love analytics. I
love what they've done for the game, but anybody that

(31:37):
married themselves to them entirely is a fool, and anybody
that won't use them is a fool. And so right now,
twenty twenty six, you better being being marrying the two principles,
not being caught up in analytics, and yet make sure
that you are using them, otherwise you're at a huge
disadvantage every single night. Well, here is an organization driven

(32:02):
by this. They're an analytics driven organization. And yet what
we're watching unfold is head scratching at best and almost
hair pulling for me that here's this isn't difficult data
to find. I don't need a nerd to look this
up for me. Andre's Munos does not do well when

(32:23):
he's rested for too long, by his own admission, and
maybe Ashley, maybe it is. Maybe it's now mental, Maybe
it's psychological with him. Maybe he thinks he can't perform
that way, and shame on Andre's for that. He's got
to get tougher, he's got to get stronger, and there's
no excuse for how bad that he looked yesterday and
not being able to find the strike zone. But there

(32:45):
might be reasons for it, and to me, the reasons are,
he's just better when he's in a rhythm, and he
can't get in a rhythm because for whatever reason, and
an analytics driven organization, analytics want to bleed the closer
out of the sport. When they started, it's unnecessary to

(33:06):
have a guy designated for the ninth inning. How silly
is that you pitch your best arm in the best matchups,
whatever time in the game that it requires you to
need your best arm out of the bullpen, you use him.
That's what the preaching of analytics was. And yet here
we have an analytics driven organization and a manager that

(33:28):
will only use Andre's Munnos if we're up one or
two runs or tied after the eighth. That's the only
time that he will ever use him. And when you
do it, when you let that dictate how often you
use a guy that is begging to be used more,
what happens you have long stretches of time where the

(33:49):
game situation does not meet your requirements for usage of
Andres Munos. And the end result has been he's been
very in insistent, he has at times looked completely out
of rhythm, and the statistics bear it out. He is
struggling from lack of usage, and it's so obvious Ashley.

(34:12):
I mean, I just scratched these numbers together this morning.
I don't have a computer. I did this by hand. Yeah.
As a matter of fact, I'm an inning off. I
can't find an inning. I can't find where there's a
missing inning from this. So these aren't going to be
one thousand percent accurate statistics. But I'm one inning off
out of twenty one and a third, So it won't

(34:33):
change the entire result that I've come up with. But
if I can figure this out using pad and paper, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
The analytics nerds should be just filled with that information.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
It's an entire organization. They're twenty of these guys. They
give them a phone book every day. This is what
these are the matchups, this is what we look for.
This is where he's strong, this is where they're weak.
You got a phone book of this, and yet Dan
just keeps saying Nope, unless it's a save situation, then
Andres isn't gonna pitch. And even when Andres is saying,

(35:12):
I can't pitch that way, not as well as I
want to. But I'll wait until you call me and
I'll do my best yep. And yesterday it wasn't good enough.
His best was not good enough. He was he was
out of rhythm, two walks all over the map, no
command whatsoever. So here's the data. This is what you're

(35:33):
looking at. This is as simple as could be. With
no day's rest, Andres Muno says five games pitched, four
and two thirds innings and one run aloud. He has
two saves and one blown save, and he has lost
two games, but four and two thirds innings pitch one
run aloud. That's an zero point nine to three era

(35:55):
when he has one day rest, So that means like
no day's rest is you're going one day and then
you're pitching the very next which they don't like to
do that period. They won't do it at all with
brash one day between. Okay, so one day off Andres
Munoz five games pitched, five innings pitched, no runs allowed,

(36:17):
nine strikeouts, two for two and save opportunities. Wow, when
he has two days rest or more five games, excuse me,
two days just not more? Just two days two days rest,
five games, four and a third innings pitched, three runs allowed,
three blown saves and one converted save a six point

(36:41):
two to three e er pikes when he has three
or days three or more days off seven games. Now,
let's stop right there. He's pitching more on three or
more days rest than in any other scenario that I've
outlined for you here. That's ridiculous, right, yeah, this is

(37:04):
him saying I'm doing this, you're not pitching me enough.
So five games, five games, five games, seven games that
he's pitched on three days rest or more an eleven
point three seven e er. Now, he does have four saves,

(37:25):
he's blown one save, and he's lost two games. And
keep in mind that five run outing against the Padres
is in this, so that does whack the numbers considerably.
But let's take the two together. Okay, and again I'm
missing an inning. I'm also and I'm not cherry picking
because I don't know what any I missed. I didn't

(37:48):
choose the first two games of the year against Cleveland
because we're coming out of the gates. Yeah you know
I didn't even use those.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Okay, but.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Ten games on one day rest or less a combined
zero point nine to three ER. Twelve games with two
days rest or more a combined nine point two eight er.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
If only there were some numbers to show that he
does better with less rest.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Right, that's ridiculous, Right, you got a phone book worth
of data. Yeah, and you won't even just basic surface stuff. Oh,
this guy, when you pitch him more is better.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah, if you pitch him every other day, he's actually
very very very good.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Turns out he was right.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, It turns out when he said he wanted to
pitch more, wasn't pitching enough. Might have known what he
was talking about. Now, look, I'm not gonna be perfect.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'm not going to excuse him. Be tougher, be better.
Why is that messing you up so much? Right? Okay,
Andres has not been very good this year. He was
elite last couple of years. He's not been very good.
But I still saw a guy that was throwing one
hundred and one hundred and two. We don't have a
guy with that kind of fastball other than Andre's Munnos.

(39:08):
He has an unhittable slider. Pete Woodworth calls it the
most unhittable pitch in the entire sport. When he's got it,
when he's on, and he's dominating righties this year, dominating
them it's absolutely dominating. So what about this as a compromise,
Because I know a lot of people want him out

(39:28):
of the closers role. How about we just say you
don't close, that's not your only job, that we're not
going to use you just when there's a save opportunity.
We will use you on a Friday night down too,

(39:48):
because you need some work, and because we're a bloop
and a blast away from possibly tying up, and we've
just seized momentum of this Friday night game, as opposed
to using our worst relief who goes out there in
the eighth and in a blink of an eye you're
down four in the game's over, the game is out
of reach. How about we not use him as a

(40:10):
closer purely. I still want him when it works the
right way, he's getting the ball for me. I mean
the stuff to me that he doesn't look injured, he
doesn't look tired. The stuff to me looks like closer stuff.
He's struggling against left handers, and he's struggling with command

(40:32):
when he has sat for too long. Those are the
two issues with Andres Munnos. But we want this guy
to be great, and the stuff is there, So let's
get him right. That's all that matters. Getting him right.
And I think what gets him right is pitching him
more frequently. And if that means he's not the guy,

(40:53):
we just don't use him for every save, fine, I'm
a thousand percent okay with that. First can get the
job done. Brash can get the job done. Gabe Spire
is better than anybody coming out of our bullpen right now.
I guarantee you, Gabe Spire can get us saves right now,
I would think. So I don't need Andres Munos to
get us every save. What I need from Andres Munos

(41:15):
is for him not to wait five six days before
he pitches again. That's what I need from Andre's And
I don't care if it's a scenario like Friday where
he's given the ball because we're a bloop and a
blast away from possibly coming back and winning this game,
and he needs work because we have sat him for
four straight days. I don't care if it's Saturday, when

(41:35):
we're up four to nothing, use him in the ninth.
Why does there have to be a save attached to it?
And then yesterday, finally he gets his chance. He's chopping
at the bit, he's throwing harder than he ever has.
He was certainly fresh, but the five days off he
looked as rusty as you could possibly look. He had
zero command out there.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
On the mound.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
How does that not ring a bell and somebody's head
in that organization. Wilson's a very smart person, So is
Manny Acta, So is Pete Woodworth, so is Jerry Depoto,
so is Justin Hollander. How is that not ringing a bell?
But the reason that he's struggling is because he's not pitching.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Enough, and especially with the creativity that these guys have
shown that they're already willing to do with this pitching staff,
I mean the piggyback situation and going between that and
the six man.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Rotation to figure out what works best for people.

Speaker 6 (42:25):
I don't know why you would be so flexible when
it comes to these six starters, But then when it
comes to your bullpen, it's.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, he has to pitch here, yes, especial.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Why not use the same thought process, the same mantra
with your bullpen as you're using with your starting pitchers.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, that's just it. Like in an analytics world in
the modern day, you mix and match you do base
it on who you're getting ready to face and who
the best matchups are. Yeah, but we're we're doing that
while we're also trying to keep people in these old
school boxes. Andre's Munnos can only pitch if there's a

(43:07):
save on the line. That is rubbish.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Yeah, use there.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
You have great pitchers, use them in the moments in
each game, like, ooh, actually, this would be a great
plan for this person. This would be a great Oh
you know what, Mooney hasn't hasn't pitched since Wednesday, Let's
use him.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Munjos is dominating right handers, even with how poorly he's looked,
he's dominating right handers. You know, it's not it's not
a terrible idea that, hey, we need to get him.
He needs to pitch today, and right now it's tied,
and I know it's the seventh inning, but they've got
a steady flow of right handers coming up. Use Munjos then,

(43:46):
and then we can trust somebody else to get a
save in the ninth inning, since we can't trust Andres
to get a save in the ninth inning right now,
especially when he's on three or more days rest. I
don't think this is a dul problem to solve, and
trust me, all of those that want to chase Andres
Munos out of town, we want to solve this right.

(44:08):
We want Andres to be good because he has shown
he can be elite coming out of the pen, and
you just don't walk away from guys like that. And
so let's get him right and on most nights if
it works out that way, I want him closing for us,
even now, even with five blown saves before June eighth,

(44:28):
I want him closing for us. But I don't want
to make Andres Muno's only pitch in save situations because
it's ruining his season.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Andrew doing yourselves a disservice too. I mean, you're he's
not pitching at his best and that therefore is hurting
your team. So I don't know why you wouldn't think
outside the box a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
NBA Finals Game three tonight. Can the Spurs bounce back?
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM KJRF And it
is time for our Seahawks One series to continue. Something
we do every June, and that is an entire month.
Every day we will have one different Seahawks analyst breakdown
one key Seahawk Player for one entire interview. We have

(45:13):
entered week number two of our series, day number six
of our series into joining us now on the program
No one looks makes smoking a cigar look better than
this guy. He's with the cigar thoughts in fl He's
a blogger. He's been podcasting for years. Yeah, we love
dipping our toes into our waters of our podcasting friends

(45:36):
as well. Sometimes you hear him right here at Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, and when you hear him,
you hear great Seahawks analysis. And he joins us today
for our Seahawks one series. Jackson Bevans is with us
here on Chuck and Buck. How are you, sir?

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Chuck? What's happening man? Thanks for having me?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Hey you Ben? How are things.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Great?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Man?

Speaker 5 (45:57):
You know it's you catch me, complain and you can
shoot me.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Life's pretty good, man, and even better when the team's
heer for a team that you cover won Super Bowl,
It's like, you know what, I'm no matter what happens
this offseason, this is a stress free off season.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
I refuse to get worked.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Up this offseason over anything that happens, because they just
finally took care of business and exercised some real demons
last year.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
And the only thing that you can kind of get
worked up about is like you're a year ahead of
schedule and you have to fight yourself, do you not?
Maybe maybe it's just me, but don't you have to
fight yourself Jackson to like, how good could they really be?
I mean, how how much improvement could they show? Because
I'm kind of expecting improvement because that's what I figured

(46:45):
was gonna happen over the course of the next three years.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, it's a great point. And it's actually something I
talked about on Cigar Thoughts a little bit. Is we
didn't hear before where the Seahawks wan quicker than then
we thought. And I remember immediately jumping into dynasty mode,
how many are they going to win? You know, Russell

(47:10):
Wilson is coming for all of these rings, and and
you know, I started to kind of use the first
championship as a springboard into projecting a bunch of stuff
and not I don't think really appreciating just how difficult
it is to go back to back, how difficult it is, uh,

(47:34):
you know, to build what is considered a dynasty. I
mean It's only happened nine times, and you know, the
first fifty nine Super Bowl eligible years for it, and
and so this.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Year, I'm not doing that. I am going to just
enjoy every single bit of this.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I'm going to enjoy every single bit of the pursuit
for the second championship. I love being the team that
is forcing the Rams to mortgage the future. Just load
up and take him down, you know, every single piece
of this. I'm going to try and be as present

(48:13):
as possible for as opposed to you know, starting to say, oh, well,
let's see there's one.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Let's see how many more of these you.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Can rip off, because you know, as we saw, it
doesn't take much for the cracks to show and for
you know, feeling like you almost have to start all
over again.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
So that being said, I do also expect them to improve,
which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, well, I think you got the right perspective. You're
keeping it in check. Jackson Bevans of Cigar Thoughts in
fl joining us here, does a tremendous Seahawks podcast, blog
and blogging for years about this team, and of course
we lean on him when we can as well. All Right,
so let's get into the Seahawks one series. What player

(48:58):
are you wanting to break down for an entire interview
here today?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
You know, I appreciate y'all giving me the chance to choose,
and and you know, Chuck, we've worked together a fair amount.
You know, we we've done some crossover work with Whitewater
Drafting series.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
We've you know, you've been on some of our thoughts.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I've been on your show, and and I think one
thing that you know about me is I really do
like to lean into the numbers and the analytics, not
not to make a point or necessarily to form an opinion,
but to see how supportive that you know of an opinion.
I should be thrown all that out the window, because

(49:40):
when it comes to offensive line play, it really is
do you have it or you or do you not?
And we're talking about grades Abel today because that guy
just has it. And I'm always so hesitant to put
too much emphasis into what I see in the preseason
from rookies for all of the usual caveats, but that

(50:02):
opening series against the Chiefs in the preseason last year,
he put like three dudes on their back. And you
watch his college tape and it is so dominant, so dominant.
They're like, Okay, this is a guy projected first round
NFL playing against FCS guys surrounded by great lineman and
you know.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Skill position players relative to the guys that they're playing.
Of course he's going to look dominant.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I needed him to look like he belonged, and he
looked dominant on that drive, and so you start to.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Get a little bit excited.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Fast forward five months and he's flattening the one guy
on the Patriots I'm scared could win the game for
them in the Super Bowl on the first play and
then tells him I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
To die today.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Like when you talk about whether you have it or not,
I'm not sure how many rookies I've ever seen on
this team immediately have it the way Greys Abel does.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And yet we had two of them last year. And again,
kind of in reference to the topic we just discussed,
I mean, you don't want to put too much expectation
on a couple of guys that took the league by
storm and were huge factors in winning a Super Bowl
their very first season in the league. And yet it

(51:21):
is hard not to wonder how much better Emon Worri
can get and how much better Gray Zabel has a
chance to become What are your thoughts since we are
talking one series about Gray Zabel, what's the ceiling.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
On this guy.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Well, here's the thing is, I don't even think he
was like anywhere close to what we can see from
him last year with how well Seattle ran the ball
down the stretch last few games of the regular season, honestly,
really outside of funny enough, the two Rams teams after

(52:01):
that first Rams lost with all the turnovers, they really
stopped trying to build the entire plane out of Jacks
and Smith and Jigba and took the ball out of
Darnold's hands a little bit, but and ran the ball
really well, especially in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
I mean, it was a dominant run performance.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
But it's easy to forget this team couldn't run at
all until like Thanksgiving like at all, and it was
really really difficult for the Kubak offense to do what
they wanted to do. And a lot of that happened
at center and right guard. But you also were seeing

(52:40):
Zabel have a number of plays where he was blocking
almost defensively, and he was good in past protection, but
not great. The thing that's so encouraging to me is
those are the types of things like we saw enough
from his footwork and his handwork to say that he
has the baseline where I no longer have to worry

(53:03):
about him being a liability. I no longer have to
worry about him being someone the other team targets, which
is like the baseline for NFL offensive line play. You
see enough flashes of dominance that you can look at
this and say, all right, this is not a guy
who needs to gamble. This is a guy who only

(53:24):
had five penalties as a rookie, only three, you know,
three holding penalties, And it's like, Okay, these plays that
he's getting beat, it's not because he's having to cheat
because he's not fast enough or not strong enough. Sometimes
you just get beat at the NFL level. But the
way that he has also won the majority of his

(53:47):
reps against established, extremely good NFL interior defenders makes me say, like,
there is a leap that can be made here. I'm
sure he would tell you the same thing. Yeah, And
for the first time in over a decade, you had
an offensive line in Seattle playing with confidence, and we
have confidence in the guys next to you and don't

(54:08):
need to worry about covering for their mistakes, which is
what you saw over the final month of the postseason.
That's where you can really start to take offense and
offensive line. And I think Zabel is as talented as
any of them.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Jackson Bevans is with us. Of course, you can follow
him at Jackson Bevans. That's jacso in he spells it
a little different than a Smith and Jigba and then
also at Cigar Thoughts NFL as so we do our Seahawks,
so one series, it's one analyst breaking down one key
Seahawk player for one entire interview. And Jackson has zoned

(54:41):
in on our left guard, Gray Zabel getting ready for
his second season in the National Football League and already
has himself a championship ring as a primary member of
the team. And so let's talk about the group at
large while you know, keeping Zabel at the heart of
this next question. I've been here now going on eleven years.

(55:05):
I have never been in Seattle without Sea Hawk fans
complaining about the offensive line until now. This is like
the first offseason that we have I've not heard Seahawks
fans say we need help on the offensive line. So
where are you with the health of this overall group,

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the strength of this overall group, and how Gray Zabel
fits into all of that.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, I mean, make no mistake, the Seahawks need help
on the offensive line.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
They still need it.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
I mean, so do like.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Twenty seven or twenty eight teams every single year. I
think it is so easy to underestimate just how difficult
it is to find five reliable offensive linemen and put
them on one team in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
And it's why we're seeing guards.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Who aren't being resigned by their own team fetch north
of twenty million a year in free agency.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
It is just really difficult.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
But for the first time, probably since you've been in
this market, they have three out of five that you
can count on. I don't have like a ton of
confidence in the center right guard position yet, you know,
maybe you know both Stevens helps with that. Maybe we

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see a step forward from either Sondel or Bradford. But like,
make no mistake, those guys are who other defenses are targeting,
and so there, I still think there are a couple
of weaker links in that chain. Can't say they can't
get coached up and get better. Can't say there isn't
going to be development from someone else, maybe Christian Haynes

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that you know, improves that. I don't think this is
a great offensive line. I think that they have three
potentially great offensive linemen, and there's not a lot of
teams who can say that.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
I think when they're at their.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Best and Lucas give you a top five to top
seven tackle tandem in the NFL. And I think grays
Abel is already showing himself to be an above average
NFL guard. That is a huge, huge improvement in terms
of the baseline of your offensive line. But this is
by no means a complete line.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah yeah, but not a weakness either, maybe not no
like it has been.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
In the past. For the first time, they are not
a week yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
And so when you think about the prospects of an
already very good Rams team, maybe even great Rams team,
and you know what happened last week, and adding Miles
Garrett and even let's go ahead and just make this
scenario as scary as possible, Aaron Donald comes back to Okay,
how do you feel about Zabel and company holding up
against this group?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I mean, I guess as well as you can about
any other line holding up against that group, like the
Rams are putting together the Avengers on on the other side.
But they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
to Seattle the way that they're loading up and and

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so you know, I think that if the Rams win
the NFC Championship game last year, they do not make
that trade. So I mean, look, they're going to have
some hilarious games the Rams this year where it's just
it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in the trenches.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
It's just and that's going to happen against Seattle too.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
It's it would be silly to think otherwise that if
Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden Fisk is healthy, if Aaron
Donald is out there and we all know how still
been training, Yeah, they're gonna have some absolutely comical dominant performances.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
I wish I could say, oh, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Brian Flurry has this drawn up scheme for handling. Look,
there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There
is just yeah, and you know, he's the most dominant
player I've seen on that side of the football since
Aaron Donald. And if we're gonna throw even eighty percent
of what Aaron Donald was back onto that roster, nobody's

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nobody's got the guys for that. You're gonna have to
out scheme it. And you're gonna have to find a
way on defense to put the clamps on the Rams
in ways that they really couldn't do even in those
two games that they won last year.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Jackson Beabins, I'm breaking down Gary's Abel, Gray's Abel for
us here in our Seahawks one series, one analyst that
you know and like, breaking down one key Seahawk player
that you know and like for one entire interview here
on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings and so well,
just to bring this full circle, you're opening comments. I

(59:51):
mean you say he's got it. I mean you're taking
away all the numbers, all the data and just saying
he's got it. I Mean usually when people say that
is because they don't really know how else to describe it.
But you're a master of words. We do this for
a living here, So what on what is it that
you think? Is it about Gray's Abel? And does that

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include the fact that we have a left guard who
drinks cheap beer. And that fits into the he's got
it category.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, he's he's a left guard
straight out of Central casting in terms. Yeah, you're making
a football movie and you're going to be given some
lines to your guard. For some reason, you are casting
Gray's Abel. You know, he he looks the part, he
acts the part. It feels genuine. But when I say

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you got it, I don't think it's possible to overstate
just how insane an NFL, a really good NFL player is.
And when you're talking about interior defensive linemen, you're talking
about arguably the strongest guys on the field, full of
the strongest guys.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
And when I say you've got.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
It, I don't mean here's this play here or there,
here's a funny line in the media. What I mean
is the ability to go heads up with those dudes
sixty times in a row and win more than you lose.
He played ninety nine percent of the snaps as a rookie.
That is insane. He started forty six games in college,

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didn't miss a single one, played eleven games as a
freshman the year before that, didn't miss any games due
to injury. Hardly missed any snaps at any point in
his football career. But again it comes back to the
biggest moment of his life, the first snap of the
Super Bowl, going up against an All Pro, putting that

(01:01:49):
dude on his back and then telling him I am
ready to die today. He was not looking around like,
oh my gosh, I did that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
What that was cool? He was like, no, want you
to know, this is going to be the worst day
of your life today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I really do mean it. I mean when I see
Jackson Bevans on a show and he's doing that, uh
that cigar, and it's always some big, giant, you know,
spectacular looking thing, I'm like, man, why didn't I take
up that hobby? It looks so cool when he does
that with that cigar. So what's the key? What's the
key to a good cigar? Jackson? And looking cool while

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smoking it?

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Well, I don't know about looking thing, all right, thank you.
The biggest thing is you just you just can't let
the smoke bug.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, and okay, you just got to immerse yourself in anything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Yeah. But it's also just kind of like a breathing
technique that that you learned. But in terms of what
you know sets apart a good cigar. You know a
lot of people want to focus on this is how
it smells, These are the notes of the taste. All
that stuff is important to me too, But really it's construction.
It's how well does it burn? You know, are the
flames going to run down one side? Is it going

(01:03:06):
to tunnel down the middle? Does it get hot when
you still have half your cigar left and now you're
fighting it? And so you know, there's just certain brands
and certain construction methods that that I look for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
But yeah, analytics like bringing that down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
With your bragging about his cigar smoking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
How many do you smoke? Though? By the way, I mean,
is that like a daily like I got home from
work and I need to put my feet up and
grab a cigar? Or is that just for like special events?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
No, I'd say somewhere in between. Okay, it's it's it's
something where you know, it's a really enjoyable process for me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
I don't want it to become abbot, but it is
something I enjoy, you know, trying to be pretty disciplined
in the other areas of my life.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
And that's that's one thing that you know, I'm willing
to lean into a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Got it, got it understood? All right? Man, Well, thank
you very much. Great to catch up, good to hear you.
Great stuff on gray'sable and what do you say, let's go,
let's go have a football season. What do you say?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Oh man, I'm I'm so ready, I'm so ready.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Check.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
I appreciate you having me man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Jackson Evans joining us again. It's his Cigar Thoughts podcast.
He's been doing it for years, does a great job
with it. Check it out at Cigar Thoughts NFL, and
of course you can just follow him personally as well
at Jackson Bevans. All right, so there you go, Seahawks
one series. We'll do it again tomorrow. But a great

(01:04:37):
breakdown there of Gray's abel from Jackson Bevans. Coming up next,
we'll recap yesterday's Mariner disaster. It's the baseball brunch not
suitable for children. Sports Radio ninety three point three kh
A RFM. He you see, there is this is no
way like judging anyone out there and how you spend

(01:05:00):
your money. That's one thing that I consistently have done
throughout my career. I will never tell anybody like on
sports talk radio how to spend your money or what
to spend it on, or anything like that. I'm just
telling you, I'm wondering, Ashley, how much money i'd have
to have personally that I would spend six thousand dollars

(01:05:22):
to sit in the rafters for Game three of the
NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I this is the problem with it, though, right, because
if you have enough money that it's like, oh, money's
no objects. You're not only spending six thousand dollars to
sit in the rafters.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
That's like, but somebody is the lowest price to get
in is six thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Yeah, that's which is ridiculous. Yeah, there's people, I mean,
people who are probably like, I've waited my whole life
for this. I'm gonna right, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Say I'm not passing any judgment if somebody's like, I'd
do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you spend your money
however you want. I'm just saying from my perspective, like,
I don't I don't think I could be worth six
trillion dollars and I'm not sure that I would do that.
I think I'd be much more apt. Like there's a
girl that bags my groceries at Hagen, and she's awesome.

(01:06:12):
She's just really awesome at what she does. And I
think I would just like give her six thousand dollars
just to like make her day. Just like, you're really
good and you always have a great positive attitude, and
this can't be the greatest job in the world, and
you probably deal with jerks all the time and scumbags,
and yet you keep that smile on your face and
you're proficient and you do get it right every single time.

(01:06:34):
Here's six thousand dollars. I think I'd spend it on that. Yeah,
for if I had like a ridiculous amount of money before,
I would spend six thousand dollars to go sit in
the rafters and watch a game that I'd probably have
a lot better time watching at home.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Agreed, Because again, yeah, at the same time, when you
have a lot of money too, you're like, I have
too much money to sit in the rafters.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, yeah, so I that's I mean, there's some people
that get off on a crowd and being a part
part of the crowd. They're just I mean, I've dated
girls that way. They're just like, you don't want to
go out, you don't want to go be a part
of that. You want to go get in that mob.
Like No, that really just does not really interest me.
I would think, you know, if I'm a Knicks fan

(01:07:15):
and I've got that much money, I'm having people over
to my mansion, a hand selected group of Dieard Nick
fans that are also great friends of mine, and we
share that moment together and we get to pee without
having to disturb other people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Right, and your drinks won't cost you forty dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Well, at that point, I don't think you're worried about that,
the cost of drinks. But that's crazy though. That's a
ticket and New York's been waiting for this for a
long long time, so it's gonna be quite. I mean,
it's just Game three. They can't obviously wrap it up tonight,
but they they're tasting it. They this is one of
those situations where they're pretty much like already counting on

(01:07:56):
it happening, and they just got burned doing that one
year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Yeah, it's I mean, all I keep hearing about is
how excited everyone in New York is for this, And
you know, I do feel bad that they can't be
outside because I think like with the Stanley Cup playoffs
and the Stanley Cup, just the whole journey. One of
my favorite things to see is when the away team
wins and you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Get to see the crowd, or when you see the
crowd outside of the arena that couldn't get in and
they're all out there watching on a big screen and
cheering and celebrating. I always think that's so fun. And
they can't do that tonight because the President will be there.
But on one of the shows before us, they were like,
they should have just like, let New York have this
one and then.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
He could have gone to Game four.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
I'm like, well, that would have been worse because that's
the one they if they win tonight, they could close
it out on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Like you couldn't deprive them of Game four not being
able to be out there.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
Yeah, but I don't know, i'd I'm not a crowd
person either, so being out there, being in there wouldn't
like my nightmare would be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
I mean, you go to Times Square on New Year's Eve,
that would be awful if.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You be one of those things, Like if I was
there and could get in and I'd go, Yeah, I
mean for the experience I'd certainly go. But am I
going to spend six thousand dollars to sit in the
nosebleeds just to be a part of that scene.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
No, there's not a lot of things that would spend
six dollars on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have to be.

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
There's not a lot of things, especially not to spend
six thousand dollars for something that would be over in
three hours.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
There's definitely not a lot of things I would spend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
And look, I'm not so like anti Knicks that hey,
it's time. It's been a long time since they want
a championship, and so if if they get to do that,
good on the Knicks. Yeah, but there's a bigger part
of me that is like I kind of hope you
get beaten by fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Tonight because you're charging people an arm and a leg
for tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I kind of hope you're losing six. Yeah, Like the
Spurs are just like, okay, it's time to start playing ball.
We forgot for a couple of games.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
We just wanted all these people to spend a boatload
of money to come here so we can embarrass and
makes in front of them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
I mean, you spend six thousand dollars, just sitting in
the nosebleeds, not even close to Timothy Challamagne. No, yeah,
you're not even gonna get near him, and you watch
your team lose by fifty five points. Yeah, I'm rooting
for that. Yeah, that would be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I'm chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I don't hate the idea that Nicks finally get their
championship and they have a ball tonight, But what it
would be funnier? Yes, as if you lost by fifty
All right, coming up next, something that happened on Thursday
and Friday. I actually got asked to be on a
show on Friday to discuss this, and so I was
a little jealous. I'm like, I didn't have my own

(01:10:41):
show today to discuss this, you know, So I now
get to sink my teeth into the Chuck and Buck
radio program, into a trade season discussion. Apparently you all
thought was fine to have without me Thursday and Friday.
Sports Radio ninety three point three KHRFM. It's nive o'clock

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hour here on this Monday morning. Great Monday morning to
you all. Ashley Ryan's here. My name is Chuck Pell.
We've got you till ten o'clock. Then we hand things
off to Greg Bell and Christopher Kidd here at KJR
A lot of baseball today. You gotta forgive me. I
had two days off last week, and so sometimes you
just got to get it out. I understand that, I

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hear you get it completely out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
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his rehab play back in Everett where he's played again,
and he never misses a beat that one. Dude. Know
he wore thirty three because that was the number he
wore when he was with Everett before.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Oh, I thought it was because he wanted to celebrate
Bucky or Kevin Sitzer probably yeah, both of them. No,
and it was it was a sold out game, and
I just you know, I love that he brought a
hibachi chef for every after. I mean, just way to go, Cal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
It doesn't miss a trick. But I'm gonna wear thirty
three because this is what I wear and this is
what I wore. And ever, I thought that was a
pretty nice touch. And the hibachi thing is even better.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
I mean, he's just Cal's like a just I just
want to I would like to be like Cal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
And I grow up too good to be true. Now
we can just get you a hitting on the major
league team right on the way, on the way he's
going to DHD yesterday got a hit, he hit one
to the wall, but he's going to play. Has a
day off today and then tomorrow and Tacoma, and he
will be behind the plate, and I don't know. Maybe

(01:13:39):
I doubt he's going to be there for very long,
maybe a game or two. But I guess there's a
chance I'll get to see him play for the Rainiers
on Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I mean that would be an added bonus, added fun.
Maybe you could get him on to talk with you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I think i'd rather have him on the Mariners by then,
but well.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Yeah, that's true, But then the Mariners are. They're not
back home by then, either, are they. So I wonder
if they'd keep him here or send them on the
road trip.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
It's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
We'll have to see how these Well, when he's ready,
he's ready, whenever that's going to be. So I would
hope that he's going to join the team before the
road trip's over, because they're gonna they got another week
there in Baltimore they are, then they're in d c.
And before they ever come back. So I don't think
he's going to be rehabbing for long, but we shall see.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
He said he felt good yesterday, Yeah he did. Yeh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
In the meantime, just to enjoy it, and for those
that don't get to normally see cal Raleigh play anymore
in their hometown. It was nice that he made a
visit in Everett, and then he'll be in Tacoma tomorrow
for at least one day, so we shall see. All right. Now,
let's get to what I wanted to discuss say here today.

(01:14:47):
Oh one other thing, I did have the math right
on my moon yos, now, okay, because I was doing
it from April first, right, okay, so you know how
you do that? Like they are sixteen and five since
Memorial Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I since April first.
Those were my mooney, so they were accurate. Okay. I
gave two hours ago quick recap for you when Andre's Munios,

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because I don't know if I did it perfectly in
the baseball brunch, I was trying to speed through it.
When Munos is pitching on one day rest or fewer,
he has an zero point nine to three er. When
he's pitching on two days rest or more, he has
a nine point two eight er. Now do I have

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to black and white this for people?

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
I would think it's pretty obvious just hearing that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
He wants to pitch more. He thinks he needs to
pitch more, even if it's psychological at this point, pitch
the damn guy more. Yeah, and he when he has
one day rest, that's the sweet spot. Five games pitched,
five innings pitched, no runs allowed, nine strikeouts, two out
of two, and save opportunities. That is a zero points
zero zero era. So I think he knows of what

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he speaks, and that is I need to pitch more
frequently to get into the rhythm that is required to
be a dominant closer. And so I just wanted to
clear that up for you if I was at all
confusing at eight thirty today or at seven o'clock when
discussing that. But I don't want to discuss that here.
I want to talk about trade season. We're in the

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midst of trade season. It got underway on June first.
We're still a long way away, and so I'm not
going to hit you over the head with this, but
I am going to pop in here and there and
talk trades with you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
My little tap on the shoulder, not a hit over
the head.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, I love doing it. I think a lot of
listeners out there are like it as well. And on
Thursday and Friday, getting ready for the Tigers series. Obviously,
Trek Scouble's name kept coming up. Jeff Passing I think
led that all of a sudden, he's telling people that
the best match for Trek Schouble is Seattle, which raised
an eyebrower to nationwide and got everybody talking here locally

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about how would that work, why would that be a
perfect fit, so on and so forth. So I wanted
to discuss it today on the radio program. I don't
think it's the perfect fit. I don't think it's a
logical solution, and I don't think that the Mariners will
do that. It just doesn't feel like something they would do. Now,
on the positive end of that, I would say, yes,

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he represents something despite how good our pitching is, that
we don't have and very few teams actually do possess.
I mean, this is a top shelf starting pitcher, and
they're only about five to ten guys on that shelf,
so there aren't enough to go around in Major League Baseball,
and he's one of them. He's a cut up up
we've got. We've got very good to great starting pitching here.

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I would say, great, we have great starting pitching here,
I would agree, and we have kind of an embarrassment
of riches, which is why we have to piggyback. It's
why Kate Anderson is still in Double A and has
there's no real plan for advancing him to the major
league level because there's no room for him right now
with this rotation. So we kind of have an embarrassment

(01:18:07):
of riches. But that's one thing we don't have in
our big treasure you know, treasure vault. We don't have
one of those top shelf guys. I mean, Ryan Woo's
not been consistent enough to claim that Bryce Miller's not
been good enough long enough to claim that Logan has
not taken that next step, and George certainly has not
taken that next step, which he was supposed to be

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that guy of all of them. George Kirby was supposed
to be that guy that reached the top shelf. So
he would give us something we don't have in our stores,
and that is somebody that is an absolute whatever team.
He's on, no question about it, number one starter when
a series begins, He's the guy you want to get

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the ball to. We wouldn't have a discussion about it
like we did going into the playoffs last year, and
when there's the season this year, and when the series
is on the line and it's a game five, there's
no question about who's getting the ball, and he goes
for as long as we want, we don't have that guy.
He would give us that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Yeah, and that part is very appealing, I will say
it is very appealing. But it does seem funny.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Yeah, to have to keep talking about how we've it's
a good problem to have to have this many pitchers
and then think we should add another one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
We should add a seventh. What do we think about
two piggybacks?

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
That sounds like a great plan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Hey, bring up Kate Anderson. No, that's three piggybacks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
That's all we're gonna do. We're peggybacking this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
So yeah, Scooble and Miller very pitch alone. Everybody else piggybacks.
So yeah, okay, that's that's the one end of it.
And then the other end is the logical end of this.
Do you really think that the Mariners, as hard as
they hold on to their prospects. I'm not saying they
wouldn't do it, but does it make logical sense that

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they'd had a thirty two million dollar player coming off
and injury list and then have to give a steep
but not ridiculous trade package in return for him, just
so that he could become a free agent. We are
not re signing Trek Scooble. Terrek Scoobel's going to make
fifty to sixty million dollars a year. Do you really

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think the Mariners are gonna pony up for that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
That's right up there, Alley. I loft contracts like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
I mean, there's no chance.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
They did break into the rental area last year. We
nearly got to the World Series. That's not something they've
done in the past. Naylor and swore us both they
brought over at the trading deadline.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Yeah, not quite the contracts of Schooble, though, and it
worked to a degree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
We got to the American League Championship Series, and those
two guys, even though Gino didn't hit that much with
us obviously one of the biggest postseason hits ever in
franchise history. And it worked, It worked, and I think
it did loosen them up. I think they do consider
rental players going forward, but considering what he might demand,

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that sound like something they would do. They kind of
doubled down over the weekend and said, we're not trading
any of our six starters at the trading We're not
even thinking about that. Well, you clearly would have to
trade one of those guys, because I know we're joking,
but you can't have two piggybacks in your rotation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
No, we're going for three, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
You can't have three. And I think Kate Anderson is
going to play a factor before this season comes to
a close, so we can't have three piggybacks for goodness sake.
So I just don't think it even makes logical sense. Now,
this is what I really wanted to deal with because
I love trade season. But with trade season comes silly season.
And I'm just gonna put this frankly, some of you

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guys don't have a clue of what a major league
trade looks like. And I'm really tired of your lopsided
nonsense showing up on my timeline. You don't know how
to make a major league A lot of you are
making MLB trades and you don't know how to do it. Okay,
you don't understand what for what get your stuff together,
And I'm not trying to like elevate myself like, oh,

(01:22:06):
I see and you don't. No, no, no, this is
just studying, This is just looking at other trades. This
is how this is how I do it, and I'm
pretty accurate with it. Like you look at what's a
comparable trade that has been made in recent history, and
the most comparable thing that you can come up with

(01:22:28):
is Juan Soto and not Juan Soto from the Nationals
to the Padres. That's a completely different animal. I'm talking
about Juan Soto from the Padres to the Yankees. When
Wan Soto went from the Nationals to the Padres, the Padres,
theoretically we're getting him for three postseason runs two and
a half years. That's what he had left on his contract,

(01:22:50):
for three postseason runs with arguably the best hitter in
the world. Yeah, you're gonna have to give up a ton.
That's when you do bring up names like Aid Anderson
and Ryan So you got to bring out your big,
big guns. I mean, Washington got James Wood out of
that deal, c j Abrams out of that deal, and

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about five other prospects that are either are contributing or
still might contribute to it. So three years of Juan
Soto at a very cheap contract. Yeah, that's pretty much.
You name your price and that's what you get, right.
But when you were talking about him going from the
Padres to the Yankees and he only had they had

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one year with him, that's it. One year, and then
after that, oh yeah, his contract is third year arbitration,
so it was high. And then if you're going to
keep him, I mean, it's astronomical. As we saw, Sodo
broke the bank. So what was the deal. It was
Michael King, a very good, young, controllable starting pitcher that

(01:23:57):
can slip right into your starting room rotation if your
San Diego, which he did, which he has and continues
to do today. And then they gave up a backup
thirty two year old catcher in Kyle Hagashioka. And then
they got three good but not great prospects. That's what

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you got for a full season of an everyday player
to an organization that had the money to keep him
beyond the one year. I mean, the Yankees obviously gave
Soto a tremendous offer, they just didn't quite give one
as high as the New York Mets did. So completely

(01:24:42):
different ball game there, right, and yet the price for
that was one good, established, young, controllable starter, a backup
catcher because the Padres hoard backup catchers for some reason,
and then three good but not great prospects that that
was the value. So that's the template that we work

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off of when you think about a Terrek Scooble trade.
And so it's not near Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan
and Las Montes. No chance are we trading any of
those guys. I wouldn't trade one of those guys for
two months of Jesus at the back end of our
you know, at the top of our rotation. Hey, no

(01:25:26):
chance are they going to give up that? Now? Would
they give up something? Yes, I think there's a world
that they would give up something. But it's if we
use Soto as the template. And keep in mind we're
only getting a half season from Schooble and he's coming
off an injury and we actually beat him in the
playoffs right last year. Troy Melton was the guy that

(01:25:48):
gave us trouble last year in the Tiger Series, but
we're also not going to keep him. So those are
three essential variables to try and figure out what we
would give up for Terrek Scooble. So as that template,
you're probably going to have to give up one of
your controllable young starters. Not Gilbert because he's only got

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one year after this. It would be Kirby, wu Miller
or Hancock, one of those. And then you probably are
going to have to give up a couple good but
not great prospects. That's going to be the value of him,
I'm telling you right now. And I got a gasp
when I said this to Jackson. I don't think I

(01:26:31):
got a gasp out of Hugh. But Jackson and Hugh
were doing a show on Friday and had me on,
and I said, you could get Trek Schouble for Bryce Miller,
straight up. You could get that trade, hey, one for one.
You could get that because of how good Miller looks,
how controllable he is going forward, and the Tigers may

(01:26:52):
have just replaced there. I can't afford him ace with
Bryce Miller, who looks like he's ready to be an
ace for somebody right now. And yet I don't think
the Mariners would do that for two three months of
Trek's Schoobel.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
No versus what you could get from Miller still.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Versus four years of Miller and so and look and
then it's not exactly an area of need. Man, if
we're gonna be spending trade capital on something, better be
a hitter her. Yeah. I get Schooble gives you something
that you don't have, But we're not gonna miss out

(01:27:32):
on the World Series because we don't have enough starting pitching.
And don't forget Kate Anderson is going to factor into this.
I've already named him the September South Paul. I've named
him that three months ago. He is gonna be in
this rotation come September, and he's going to contribute to
this this thing going forward. All right, So the idea

(01:27:54):
that you're going to give up top some big, giant,
massive package, more so than what want Sodo commanded going
from the Padres and the Yankees, that's folly. Yeah, it
will require quite a bit too much, frankly for a
rental player, but it's not going to be the absurd
trade packages that you're reading about online. There is a

(01:28:18):
world where it could happen. I don't have any doubt
about that. I think there's a far more likely chance
that it doesn't happen. But if it does. If it
does happen, then it's going to be one of your younger, controllable,
established starters. My guess would be like a Hancock, and

(01:28:41):
then you would tack on two good prospects on that.
We got plenty of them. No, maybe a couple of
names you wouldn't want to hear. Oh, they'll make you uncomfortable, like, oh,
I didn't want to give up for Melo. Yeah, yeah,
maybe something like that. But it's not going to be
Montes is not going to be Sloan, it's not going
to be Anderson is not going to be Miller, and

(01:29:02):
it's not going to be wo. There's no way we're
including those guys in a trade for Derek Schooble. At
least that's my feeling on it. So yeah, so that
that's it. If and if I'm adding somebody, and I
know he I know what. People they balk at the
idea of Byron Buxton because he gets hurt a lot.
Yeah he does, he does. And I know he got

(01:29:25):
hurt over the weekend. He ran into a wall. It
tends to jar a person. Okay, So he's been mostly
healthy the last two and a half years, and when
he's right, man, Is he right? And he's also affordable
and he's under contract. I'm I'm with those who are
saying online, I'd rather have the hitter, and I think

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Buxton's going to be the best available hitter. And I
get that he's on got a trade no trade clause,
but he's already softened on that. So please follow your
current events before you snap at me and try to
correct me. He already softened on that this off season,
and if he gets to the right team, he's starting
to get to that age where he's thinking about, oh, man,

(01:30:06):
if I'm gonna win a championship, it's not gonna be
with the rebuilding Twins, is it. So he has already
softened on whether or not he would wave the no
trade claws. Said apparently he's already said he'd do it
for the Braves, and I think he'd do it for
the Mariners as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
So let's find out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Yeah, let's find out. I'd like to have him. You
got to make sure he's okay. You got to make
sure that they didn't jar too much loose when he
hit that wall Friday night. And he is an injury risk,
there's no question about it. But man, he's been mostly
healthy the last two and a half years. And if
you can get him healthy, he can carry a team.
He can carry a team. He's that special. Plus he

(01:30:44):
can play defense, so it fixes another hole on the team. Yeah, exactly,
all right, coming up next, not done with the Mariners,
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But it's Chuck and it's Ashley with you. And yes,
we've done a lot of baseball today. I had a
lot to get off my chest, took two days off

(01:31:05):
and whatnot. I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Yeah, and you know what, it is baseball season. I
don't know if you know that it's also trade season.
So those are things that have to be talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Yes, I mean when Ariana Grande goes two days without
singing and then not eating, she can't wait till Monday
to not eat and sing.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Yes, sing a lot to make up for all the
non singing, right right and non eating.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
She's got to catch up. She's got ketch up to
those things will ketch up. Yeah, it's just two things
she loves, not eating and singing. So when she goes
when all she does is eat and not sing over
the weekend. She can't wait to reverse it exactly. That's
kind of what I'm doing today.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
I am your ariana Grande of baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
I've always thought that about you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Let's go to the ABC's. We left off at the
letter to unless you did the ABCS. Did you do
the ABC's while I.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Was We did it on Thursday, We did not do
it on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Oh geez, well it's too late. I went with what
I asked off fin I left off of the letter
Jay oh for ith, Jay is for Josh. We've not
talked about Josh. What a weird weekend for Josh Naylor.
This weekend, the Tiger fans all decided they hate him.
He did some things that certainly would irritate an opponent,

(01:32:20):
irritate a fan base even more so than the opponent.
But I kind of, I don't know, maybe we're just
maybe this is what being a fan is that I'm
sitting here, like, why are you guys overreacting to all
of this? I mean, other than the mitten throw at Dingler,
which I thought was pretty cheap.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
I thought it was hilarious, but that's because these ours
if it was somebody else, i'd be up in an uproar.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
But I don't get why the anger over the slide
like he was in the base path that he didn't
come anywhere close to hitting. Yeah chorus, I've seen a
lot dirtier slides than that that nobody even batter than
I at and yet.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Just because now they want to be angry at him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
So yes, I mean, even Cold Keith of the Tiger
said afterwards, Yeah, you don't like him when you're playing
against him, but you probably do like him if you're
playing with him. Yeah, And I guess he's that type
of player. When he was at the Guardians, I don't
know if I disliked him, but he certainly played with
an edge, There's no question about it. You certainly understand

(01:33:20):
why he might get under an opponent's skin. I just
didn't think that his sins rose to some level that
warranted him getting booed and called dirty all weekend long
on social media. And even I mean, that's that's kind
of close. Cold Keith kind of went close to calling
him out publicly. And that's a young player. It's not

(01:33:41):
like Errek Scoogle saying it. So I don't know. I mean, yeah,
he's a he's an irritating guy if he's on the
other team, and he does every once in a while
some questionable things, and when he goes to cover the bag,
he puts his own body at risk. He's not trying
to hurt anybody else. It's just his statement that I'm
going to put my own body ris.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Right, Yeah, and that at first base it was like, no,
he was not going to intentionally try to hurt there
they're a runner, because first of all, he would have
ended up probably hurt himself, so that would have been
a stupid move. But because they're already irritated, it's like,
oh well, now, oh look what he did.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Now we can put all of this in. He threw
a mit, he almost collided, you know, full had a
full collision, and everything is blown out of proportion. Again,
if he was not on my team, I'd probably be
the same way and hate him. But I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I mean, yeah, he definitely falls in that category. I
just to me, I could not I didn't think that
his actions rose to meeting that kind of criticism. Now
I do have criticism up because that wasn't all he
did this weekend. His defense has been sloppy at times
and then brilliant at times, like they kept Aaron and

(01:34:52):
Ryan gave and Hyphen gave him the credit, gave Cole
jung all the credit on that great play. No, it
was good play. I mean he stretched Nailer made that play.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
And then two innings later, Wisdom gets the air on
a ball that I could have caught at first base,
and that was just Josh being lazy over Yeah. So
and then he gets thrown out trying to steal. And
I'm not gonna come down too hard on him, because
that's how he has to steal bases. He has to
sort of stemartive instinctively. I'm ahead of you, and I've
figured out your move, and I'm gonna get there before

(01:35:25):
you can figure me out. And so you're gonna get
caught occasionally playing a game that way. Yeah, But he
just had a hot and cold week, and he's kind
of had a hot and cold season so far this year.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
He has, and we talked a little bit about him
last week too, and just I was looking up his
numbers from last year when he came to the Mariners. Defensively,
I think he had a point seven war in the
second half of the season defensively two point two overall,
and when he was here and he's at like a
point minus point seven narrow.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Or something making errors.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
Yeah, it's one. Last year was definitely an anomaly with
what we saw when he came here.

Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
We were not we were gifted some exceptional defense from him,
which is not doesn't seem to be how his career
has usually been.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
This year seems to be more on par with how
he is. But it seems extra sloppy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
But it's not it's not anything. I mean, you can
see the skill over there. It's it's a lack of focus,
it seems like it at times, Yeah, and taking too
many risks, and you know that that needs to be
curbed because I think he definitely has the glove work
skill over there, and we know how knowledgeable he is,
how smart he is, but I think he's just trying

(01:36:37):
to be too clever when he's between the lines, and
I think it's costing him. All Right, Kay is for
CAD this September South Paul and I don't know if
he'll be used in the starting rotation, as I said
in the previous segment, but I wanted to just clear
it up. I do think he is going to be used.
Kate Anderson our top prospect now that Emerson's cult. Emerson

(01:37:00):
is up with the club. He's certainly our best prospect
right now and he's dominating Double A. They're going to
use him this hit. Yeah, They're limiting his innings on
a night by night basis for a reason, because they
want him to have enough gas left in the tank
to be able to use him probably in September and
then into the playoffs. Now, whether or not that's as
a starter, I don't know. Maybe it will be some

(01:37:22):
sort of bullpen piece, long relief piece that they could
use as a weapon because the rest of the league
has not seen him yet. But Kate Anderson is going
to be used, I can promise.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
You, and I hope he is because I think everybody
would be really excited to see him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
And he won't be involved in a schoob Bal trade
or a Buxton trade or any other trade or piggyback.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
He just had to throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Finally, l is for the Lazes. I don't know. It's
hard for me to believe that I would ever have
el As for Laz and yet I got two lasses.
I'm going to talk about today. It's got to be
a record, so laz Diaz showed it yesterday. First of all,
I love the ABS challenge system. I think it's added

(01:38:07):
so much to the viewing experience and to the game,
a lot more than I thought it would, and I
thought it was going to add a lot. But I
think in fairness, what it's highlighted to me is how
much how good the umpires really are, that their statistics
are on par with hitters and better than something. Looks

(01:38:29):
it sounds like the catchers are better than the umpires
when they're challenging, and they're challenging fifty to fifty balls,
but the umpires are kicking the crap out of hitters,
So I think we need to acknowledge how good they are.
And then all of a sudden, the last Das comes
into your world and they're like, see, it's not just
highlighting how good the umpires actually are, it's also highlighting

(01:38:54):
how bad the bad ones are. He needs to go, yeah,
he's not good, and you know it is.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
It is interesting because obviously, when the catchers are doing
their challenges, they're the only ones that have a better
view of where the pitch actually went.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Than the umpire does. So it makes sense that they
would be, you know, be able to get some of
those cos they're.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Also trying to fool the umpire, right, They're not trying
to fool themselves, right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Exactly that too. But yeah, then it's just I don't know.
I find myself as you. I'm fascinated by this ABS
challenge system. It brings a lot. But boy, when the
umpire is bad, it is glaring.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Glaring, right, and then we still can't take advantage of them.
So we had one of the bad umpires last night
and we lost versus last Dias on a day in
which he was completely off his game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yeah, and here's an excuseable.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Dylan Dingler won like seventy four challenges yesterday and we
went one for three. Yes, I mean, how bad can
we be at this? I want it taken away from Randy.
He's lost all of his privileges. He doesn't know when
to use it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:57):
He just does not know when to use He gets
a little emotional, which is what we said before it started,
like you cannot be using it in the situation where
it's kind of trying to help your ego.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
The other lass is Las Montes I was told on
air and off air by Justin Hollander himself when I
joked that Las Montes is going to hit forty home
runs this year, and I was a joke. I was
kind of kidding around, and he said, if Las Montes
is hitting forty home runs this year, I promise you

(01:40:27):
some of those are going to be in a Mariner uniform.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
That's what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
Las Montes is at seventeen home runs and we're not
even to the All Star break. He is on fire
since June. Oh, he's hitting five hundred since June started
and has already hit five home runs this month. Now,
he doesn't hit lefties. I looked up the splits. I mean,
he's really struggling against lefties. So you would undoubtedly if

(01:40:52):
if you brought him up at some point this year,
you'd have to use him in a platoon. He'd have
to be Rayley's or ken Zone. There's no room for
another one of those guys. You can't have three of
those guys on the team, so he's got to be
one or the other. Right, But I mean, he's tearing
the car. He's at seventeen home runs already, He's at
five this month. For Arkansas. So he's absolutely on fire

(01:41:14):
if he's locked in, if he's figured something out at
this stage in his young career. He's only twenty one,
but they compare him to or Don Alvarez, for goodness sake,
pretty good comparison to have as a power hitter. So
if he's suddenly turned that page, if he's figured something out,
and we'll need more time to monitor that. According to
Hollander himself, he will be up with this team, and

(01:41:36):
I'm wondering where and how That's what I'm wearing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Let's go, all right, one last thing next to close
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