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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Let the games begin, and now broadcasting live from the
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
We got the All Guy where the action never stopped?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Are you writing this down? No?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Something complete? This is Chucking Buck in the Morning. What's
you people beyond? Let's go, Let's get the game off.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, good morning, Welcome into the radio show here on
this Tuesday. It is Chuck and Buck in the Morning
Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F
m Ashley Ryan.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Is he here. My name is Chuck Powell.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
It is great to have you with us here on
this day and for the next four hours. And my goodness,
is there a lot to discuss today. There's too much
to discuss. I could not fit it all in to
a four hour radio show. There's too much.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
I guess we're gonna have to go all day.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
It's just yeah, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Maybe we will alert everybody else, learn everyone else to
come in. Yeah, twelve hours of broadcasting today. That would
remind me of the old days. Good morning to you
welcome into the show. And let me tell you something.
I think the best part about this job certainly has
been that I don't feel like I've worked for a living,
my entire life. I mean, you should feel my hands.

(01:35):
I know you've never taken the time, Ashley, but they're
baby soft.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
No, I never sit there in our post show meeting
and hold them, but maybe I should start today.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, let's just hold hands during our post show meeting.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
You can just clasp yours in mine.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh no, I think we got interlocked. Okay, it was
like seventh graders.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
He'll be like, yeah, see the show's getting closer, and
that's what I want.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I'll actually creep you out.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
They've actually out women because I think a lot of
women kind of want their man to have like rugged hands.
Like my father worked with his hands for a living,
so we had rugged hands.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
They were tiny hands. It's like he juggled cabbage in
a circus. They were so tiny.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
But so I don't have and I don't have big hands,
but nonetheless they're they're soft because of a lifetime spent
broadcasting and my hobbies writing books, and so I don't
do a lot of hard labor frankly and so long
way of saying that the best part about this job
is that I've got to goof off for a living.

(02:35):
The best second, best part about this job is that
we have people. We have great listeners that tune in
to hear our opinions. And that's awesome. But let me
tell you about the perks.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
One of the perks about lurking at iHeartRadio.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
I can't wait for this, Yeah, and that.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Is every day all the free warm water we can drink.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
You got more of it?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I want the now that we got YouTube, I want everybody.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
To see me show them how delicious it is.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Delicious and satisfying and refreshing. I think refreshing is the world.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Take a sip, let's see hmm oh, I could almost see.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
How refresh then just think about how great that's going
to be next Monday when it's eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Huh and you're going to just take a sip of
that warm water.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Love coming to work talking for a living. Mouth dries
out and you just refresh the palate with warm water
every day because that's all our water machine makes.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
And people are like, well just turn the sink to cold. Well,
we have like an actual thing that gives you either
hot water or really cold water or in our case.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Neat right.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's just like it's just like a glass of tasteless soup. Yep.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
And this is new, by the way, this is a
new one, so we don't need to replace it.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
This is less than a year old.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So warm.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Yeah, any sparklets delivery people out there, sparklets, I.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Mean, well, I don't know if you've ever just started
the day with a big giant cup of warm water.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's actually my least favorite thing on earth. I can't
even handle it. When my water bottle doesn't have ice,
the water is still cold. But when there's no ice
in there, I'm like, oh, nope.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Thank you. iHeart. Sometimes I'm just like, gosh, you spoil us.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Oh don't this water is free?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, it is free?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Like, oh stop, I heard. I mean you should I
give some money back to you.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, I mean, my goodness, they would actually like it
if you would give some.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
That.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I don't know a.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Lot, but I do know that much if you wanted
to do that, they would not turn it down.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
That's the thing about my water.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
When I drink it, I just like I wanted to
be able to double as a bath. I want to
be able to bathe in my drinking water, right, Yeah,
we need to drinking straight from the hot tub. Thanks, iHeart,
I'm glad.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
I I don't drink that and bring my own water.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
And you know what, Sometimes I'll leave my house and
I'm like, oh, my water's not that full. Maybe I
should I'll just fill it at work, and I'm like, no,
I'll fill it here.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, sometimes it is cold.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
There is an occasion I don't want to take that gamble.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
There is a cage where they throw you off and
it actually is cold because it's a relatively new machine. Yeah,
but it breaks all the time and you don't know
when it's going to break. And I don't think it's filtered,
even though that's the idea behind it. I think the
filter always is malfunctioning, and then it just comes out
as dirty brown, not brown.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm kidding. Oh god.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
I was like, check, I don't think you should be
drinking this.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
This comes out as like unfiltered warm water, warm tap water.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Seem you can't get that stuff here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You can't. You can't get that at Bonneville.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
That's right, that is right.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Just one more sip and then I'll be ready to go.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
No, you need to hydrate and refresh. Got a long
day of twelve hours of programming.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I love a I love a big gulp of water
that almost singes your tongue.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Oh yeah, there you go. See you are selling this
all right.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, let's get going.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
We've got a lot to discuss today, including the challenge
heard round, Yeah, challenges.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yes, there was the catch.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, there are certain things that have been described
with just you know, two words in the history of sports,
the drive by John Elway, the catch by the White
Clark in the back of the end zone.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, later on.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
We introduce you to the challenge because we have finally
reached the pinnacle of what the ABS Challenge system was
meant to provide, and it won us a baseball game
last night.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, so can't wait actually to dive into that a
little bit, but I'm not going to start there. I mean,
like I said, there's so much to get in. This
might be the only opportunity we have to talk about
last night's NBA Finals, where the Santa Antonio Spurs made
it a series last night by taking out the New
York Nicks, much to the chagrin of all of those

(07:07):
people that spent their thousands of dollars to watch New
York at Madison Square Garden make history. Tim Shallome, in
his gross colored clothing that he always wears, all showing
up just convinced that they were going to win Game
number three and be able to sweep away the young

(07:27):
San Antonio Spurs, and the Spurs ruined everyone's plans in
New York City with a one fifteen to one to
eleven win.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And I just have something simple to say about that.
You got this.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
You can take us in a lot or take us
a lot.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
You got this. It's okay, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I just laughing so hard.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
I know it's comical.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It was awesome. It really it was awesome. And you
know what, Look, I mean we do this as a living.
And like I said, baby soft hands, anybody that's worked
talk radio, sports talk radio, I mean it's a it's
a job. You're worn out after a couple of hours
and we do four every day. I mean people don't
believe that, but you get done with the show and

(08:28):
you're kind of exhausted.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And I mean it's not like digging ditches. No, no, no,
don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I mean, I realize some people have a lot harder jobs,
and most people have harder jobs, but there is something
to being able to do that. And yet, so there
is something to putting your opinion out there, trying to
support it, trying to be perfect with your wording.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
That does kind of exhaust you at the end of
the day.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
And yet, boy, I'd really like to see a lot
more effort out of our analysts, and that includes some
of my favorites inside. The NBA is the greatest studio
show ever, But I just wish that we would get
analysis from them sometimes and that the analysis would not
be well, they won because they played harder, and they

(09:17):
lost because they didn't play well.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
That's actually not analysis.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, there is an element too, and I appreciate
Draymond Green being on the set to be able.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
To actually give something of substance.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yesterday that san Antonio did come out, Shaq was right.
They came out a little more aggressively. They got Wimby
involved earlier in the contest. They took the crowd out
of the game, which might have been very important there
in the first quarter, and so the crowd didn't take
over the game at any point really, and that was
a fevered crowd. I mean, I believe all of the

(09:53):
guys who I like and like to love closer to
love with Ernie and Charles, and closer to like with Kenny.
And so they talked about this might have been the
best environment they've ever seen for a basketball game last night.
Obviously there was a fevered excitement for what was getting

(10:14):
ready to go down. And so that can be intimidating, certainly,
especially for a young franchise, especially one that is down
or a young roster I should say that is down
two to zero in the series and having to enter
that hostile environment. And so credit to Mitch Johnson, Seattle's
own and Wimby a twenty two year old leader, which

(10:34):
Stefan Castle made very.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Clear last night.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, he's the leader of our team, twenty two or not,
he's the leader of our team. And they came in
with the right mindset. They attacked New York a little
more physically, and they kind of set the tone for
the game. That said it was a four point contest.
I mean, Mike Brown said after the game last night
as head coach of the Knicks, another guy that I

(10:58):
like and he's obviously done a tremendous job with that
team this year. But he said afterwards, the first thing
he's complaining about the officials, and he said in one
swath and man, if Mitch doesn't use this as bulletin
board material, then I don't know what bulletin board material is.
And it certainly wasn't Mike Brown's intention. Mike Brown's intention

(11:21):
was to set the stage for Game number four so
that he got in the officials ears publicly to tell
them about the free throw deferential. But how it came
out was Mike Brown describing the game like, Okay, first
of all, we played really poorly tonight, and secondly the
Spurs they.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Played really great.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
And yet I got to point out the free throw
disparity in the second half, not even for the game
in the second half, which was not all that outlandish,
and yet I'm.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Going to point out the free throw disparity.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
There's no way in an NBA Finals game I ever
thought that one team for an entire half would shoot
X amount of free throws and another team.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Why amount of free throws?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
And it was a desparity, especially in the second half.
But for the game, you know, the Spurs shot thirty
two free throws and the Nick shot twenty two free throws.
I mean it's not crazy, right, I mean, there's there's
a difference. There's a separation in a four point game.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, I can make a difference.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
That makes a difference, certainly.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But but I don't think anybody that was watching the
game thought to themselves, you know why the Knicks lost
this the officials.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
No, yeah, I didn't think that at all.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
So Mike Brown spits this out, and think about what
he's saying right there. They played great, Right, we played
terrible and the officials were against us, and we still
only lost by four.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
That's how I would take that.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
How insulting is that? Yeah, here's the truth. Neither team
played all that well last night. They certainly neither team
shot all that well down the stretch, and yet San Antonio,
having built a lead, just showed a little more composure

(13:14):
than what they've shown in the first two games down
the stretch, and that was the difference.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
In the game.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
They started better and they didn't fall apart in the
fourth quarter, and that's how they won the game. Right,
it's nothing tricky to find out about this. Neither team
shot well down the stretch. The Knicks kept settling for
three point field goals. They wouldn't give the ball to
Jalen Brunson. And I don't know why in the fourth
quarter you don't give the ball to Jalen Brunson every time,

(13:41):
because he makes every shot in the fourth quarter, every
fourth quarter, that guy makes every shot.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It feels like that he takes. And yet we're going to.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Spread the ball around the court and hoist up twenty
five foot shots that were not making consistently. But the
Spurs didn't make their three point field goals either.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
In the fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
I was yelling that why are he's shooting three pointers?
Just go drive to the basket. You're already up.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
You don't need three.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Neither team played a great game last night, but San
Antonio play a little bit better of a game. And
because they built up a lead in the third quarter,
they were able to hold on and they hit some
clutch free throws down the stretch, which is what you
have to do in a game like that. And the

(14:25):
Knicks didn't make their shots coming down the stretch from
anybody else not named Brunson.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And there's your four point difference.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
Well, San Antonio didn't shoot themselves in the foot like
they did in Game two. I mean, the reason they
lost that game in Game two was because Wemby throws
into the castles back and it's a turnover.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
If they don't do that, they probably win that game.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
And that's the difference. I mean, it was.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
The better care of the ball yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Who is under the impression that the Spurs aren't any
good all of a sudden, all right, And this is
what we got from our top analysts in the field
last night. One team played really well and the other
team played poorly. No, that's not true at all. That's
bad analysis. Neither team played their a game, and the
Spurs played a little bit better. And because they took

(15:14):
the crowd out of the game early, credit to them.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
They played more aggressive.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
They learned their lessons from games one and two, so
they weren't the pushover that they've been in the fourth
quarter of the last couple of games. And they won
the game. And they could very easily win game number
four too. You want to know why, Because they're more talented.
The Knicks are playing better basketball right now, better team basketball,
and I think that they've earned the right to be

(15:40):
called the favorites going the rest of the way. But
we spent six months saying how much more talented the
Spurs are than the Knicks during the regular season, and
now all of a sudden, there's a mismatch. The only
way the Spurs can win is if the Knicks played
terrible and they played great. That is nonsense, That is foolish. Oh,
I'm more fired up for Mitch Johnson in the Gang

(16:03):
than ever before. Man, do I want them to win
both these games in New York and then finish this
thing off in.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
Six Which is funny because I went into the series saying, like, okay,
all that the job was done, Oklahoma City's out.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I don't care who wins. I just want a great series.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
And I was the same way last night, like cheering
so hard for the Spurs, and I was so disappointed
when they lost in Game two, and I just was like,
how is it that, all of a sudden, I'm so
you know, adamantly you know, and vehemently cheering for San Antonio,
a team.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
That I don't care about normally.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well, New York pumpacity is what that is. And for
them to think it was over and everybody to show
up like it was time to celebrate the championship in
Game number three. For everyone to have written off the
San Antonio Spurs, I find silly. I had to hear
a conversation about that yesterday May yesterday on the drive end.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
No chance, Yeah, they have.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
No chance to come back, Like what are.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You talking about?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Number one, don't ever speak in absolutes about sports or
pretty much anything else.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's a fool who speaks in absolutes.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
And secondly, have you forgotten the analysis of the last
four or five months of the basketball season. I mean,
the Spurs have the best player. Jalen Brunson's an assassin.
I love that guy, but he can't do what Wimby
does on both ms on the floor, and usually the
team with the best player wins the series. Now, he

(17:28):
plays poorly and Jalen Brunson plays phenomenally tight turns, and
the Knicks can certainly win this, and the Knicks probably
are going to win this with their two to one
edge over a young franchise that doesn't yet know how
to finish. But anybody that is surprised that the San
Antonio Spurs pulled out a win last night, I find

(17:50):
that comical. Because we just spent four months talking about
how much that this is a whoever comes out of
the West is going to win the NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
The Knicks got hot at the right time.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I give them all the credit in the world, and
like I said, I think they probably are still going
to hold on and win this championship.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I got no problem with that.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I do have problem with analysis at the end
of a four point game in Game three of the
NBA Finals, when one team that wins is more talented
than the other, and the analysis is the only way
that happened is that the Knicks played crappy and the
Spurs played great. Neither of those things are true. The
Knicks played okay and the Spurs played a little bit
better than okay.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
And that's usually what happens in a four point.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Deficit, right I was gonna say, if one team played
great and the other played crappy, it's going to be
a blowout.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
That's usually how that works.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
And it is interesting because with this, you know, with
everybody saying that the West that the Western Conference Finals
was the was the NBA Finals and that was the
real matchup, and then it was like, well, wait a minute,
here's this team that hasn't lost and they're great, and
everybody kind of was not discounting the Knicks but any means.
But I was listening to someone the other day or

(18:58):
yesterday say, well, they there's no way that you know,
all of a sudden, everybody's forgotten about the Knicks, and
now you know that they don't have a chance. Look,
they're up two games to none. They've got this and
and it, and we're forgetting that the Eastern Conference is good? Well,
what about the argument that the Knicks kind of rolled
over everyone and that's why that they got so much rest,

(19:19):
because the Eastern Conference wasn't as good and the Western
Conference had the battle, and that's why the Spurs might
have been a little tired in game one and they
might have been a little out of sorts. And so
I'm excited to see what happens now that the Spurs
are back in a rhythm.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
What's on TEP?

Speaker 7 (19:39):
All right?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
One fifteen one to eleven.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Spurs went over the next last night, so San Antonio
cuts the lead to two to one. Game three will
be played Wednesday at Madison Square Garden Stanley Cup Final,
which hockey fans are trying to get everybody's attention by saying,
you don't understand how great this hockey is that's being
played in the Stanley Cup Final. Summer call at the
best actual hockey that they've seen in the Stanley Cup

(20:05):
Final in quite some time. Well, Carolina and Vegas will
do it again tonight, game number four. They'll drop the
puck at five o'clock. It's in Vegas, with Vegas up
to games to one. It's World Cup week, so that's
something that we're going to celebrate. We're just one sleep
away from the first World Cup game of World Cup season,

(20:25):
and we are going to celebrate that with a round
of sup with you a little bit later on in
the show. Today, seahawks s mandatory Mini Camp gets started today.
We are dealing with our Seahawks one series again today
and throughout the month of June, one analyst breaking down
one key Seahawk player for one entire interview. For whatever reason,

(20:45):
every single one of our analysts, and this is something
that should be studied by science, wants to be on
at eight o'clock.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
It really is I they get options, because that's not
the plan.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
And yet every single one of them we've done is
at eight o'clock. Robert Turbin will join us today at
eight o'clock and he will probably choose a running back,
but we'll find out at eight o'clock today. Brendan Soorsby's
decision came in yesterday. It has rocked college athletics. We
will have to find some time to talk about this.
If you're not going to be suspended for gambling wildly

(21:19):
on college football, even your own team, then what would
it take to be kicked out of college athletics? Apparently
now it's just open season and it has a lot
of people thinking this could be the death nail to
college athletics.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Or maybe that's just overreaction in the moment. We'll see.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
We'll talk about a little bit later on this hour.
College World Series. The Elite eight is now set for Omaho,
and that will be again on Friday. We do have
to have, whether Bucky's here or not, our annual conversation
with Kyle Peterson, the face of the city of Omaha.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
We'll do that a little later on in the week.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And Mariners, a lot of Mariners news yesterday, JP Crawford
placed on on the injury list, and if that wasn't
bad enough, then we found out right before the game
Colt Emerson strained his back taking grounders, and so we
were down two shortstops yesterday, had to activate Ryan Bliss
and move Cole Young over to shortstop to play for

(22:17):
the game. I don't know how serious Colt Emerson's back
injury is, but we do know JP's out for at
least ten days.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So yeah, all that.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Kind of snuck up on us, and yet the team
still found a way to win last night, six to three.
We'll chat with Ryan Healey today at nine o'clock. Coming
up next Mariners Morning after, we'll recap the game that
might forever be known as the Challenge. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM tyan.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Run at to play with one out of the eighth.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Deep centerfield, Juli y'all in front of the warrant track Ballpark,
will hold it, Holiday comes hold play it second tripped
up in all that second, the run at home counts.
Bliss drops the anchor on top of a second. Alexander

(23:11):
is out.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
The tag got down before the run crosses.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
It very well could have. I mean, how many close
calls have there been in this game? So you say
sync that up back in New York and the here
let's find out after.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
Review the calls overturn, no run for.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Oh my gosh, what a turn Julio with a hose.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Too much to explain on that play, Let's just put
it this way. Mariners win six to three last night.
The Challenge their friend last night, even though they are
terrible at.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
It, one of the best in the world.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Now, yeah, historically and traditionally awful, and the long history
of the Challenges, they are bad, but last night kind
of saved. They're bacon a couple of times, and they
win a wild game in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Final score was six to three.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
They moved to thirty five and thirty two on the
season thanks to Mariners TV Aaron and Ryan Rowland Smith.
They're on the call, MS and Orioles. Back at it today.
First pitch at three thirty five. They're throwing a left hander.
I'm warning you now. Trevor Rodgers gets the start for
Baltimore and the Mariners will counter with Logan Gilbert. Other
headlines here brought to you by Frostbrewed Corps Like choose chill.

(24:28):
The Spurs shocked New York one fifteen to one eleven.
I know how stunning it is for a better team
to beat the other one, but the Spurs do win
one fifteen to one eleven, and I really don't know
if they're the better team. The Knicks are playing great
team basketball and have been throughout this postseason, but they're

(24:48):
the most more talented team, without question. That's what we
talked about for five frickin months for goodness sake, in
evaluating the NBA's best teams out there. So I don't
think too many people should be supprise eyes that the
Spurs actually pulled out a victory in the NBA Finals,
whether it was at Raucus Madison Square Garden or not.
So the Spurs are back in the series. They're down

(25:10):
two games to one. Game three will be played tomorrow
night tonight, Game four of the Stanley Cup Final in
Las Vegas, where the Golden Knights are up on Carolina
by a two to one lead. And they are describing
this and when I say they, a lot of hockey fans,
a lot of hockey people are describing this as one
of the best, most competitive Stanley Cup Finals we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That's how good the game action has been to this.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I mean, especially after the game on Saturday. My goodness.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Speaking of Las Vegas, the Ace has beat the Storm
last night one one oh one to ninety one. And
also in Las Vegas tonight. I don't know if you
saw this, but it finished late. The Las Vegas A's
played their first game in Las Vegas. And if you
thought Sacramento was a launching pad, fifteen to fourteen last night,

(26:00):
Oh wow. So they played in a minor league park.
So Sacramento is a minor league park and people have
complained that it is too hit her friendly. Well, Las
Vegas is even more famously hit her friendly. But they're
going to play a few games there until they get
the big arena built. So they played there last night
against the Milwaukee Brewers' final score fifteenth, Oh my good

(26:22):
fourteen in the game Mariners. Also, speaking of baseball, JP
to the IL Colt Emerson did not play last night
because of a back injury he suffered in pregame warmups.
And speaking of injuries, cal Raley is going to be
in Tacoma tonight catching for the Rainiers, So that's going

(26:43):
to be fun. We'll see if they'll still be there
on Friday when I get to call the game with
Riley pay Who knows. I don't think he's going to
need as long a ramp up as what some are reporting.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
But if he is playing there Friday.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Fun, yeah, fun for you to get to see him. Obviously, Yeah,
hope you back with the big club. But I mean,
why not give the Tacoma fans a little bit more?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah? Why not?

Speaker 7 (27:06):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Also, College World Series the Elite eight is now set
for Omaha that will begin on Friday. Seahawks mandatory mini
camp starts today, and of course World Cup Week is
here in Seattle two days from now, two sleeps from now,
the first game of the World Cup season, and we
will talk about that a little bit later on in
the show.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Even though I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
How we're gonna find a way, Yeah, Chuck, we're gonna
find a way.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah. And it's it's by confessing ignorance. It's by asking
for help. They say that all the time. If you
need help, ask for help.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for help.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
We're gonna ask for a stupid question, right, And then
you ask a question and they tell you it's stupid.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
So we're going to ask for help a little bit
later on in the show on how we should cover
the World Cup for you. So it's Chuck Powell, that's
Ashley Ryan with you here on this Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Still no Bucky Jacobson on the radio program.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
And man, he would have been having a ball the
last of a couple of months with all of these
juicy Mariner topics that we've had. One thing he would
not have enjoyed was me continuously questioning Dan Wilson's pitching changes.
But here we are, Yeah, love, and we're gonna do
it again today. I know I just talked about bullpen yesterday,

(28:21):
but we're gonna go back at it today and from
this standpoint, and I'm going to start off by kind
of complimenting Dan to a degree, defending Dan to a degree.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I know that's going to feel like it's out of
left field based off of what I think you're braced
for coming up and what you've been listening from me
from me the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Of the season. But I will at least say this.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, the end of the day, we're looking for
positive results, right and we have a bullpen that is
third in the American League and fourth and Major League
Baseball in tm e RA. Okay, we are third in
the American League, so fourth and third in the American League,
but we're only point oh three, you know, back of

(29:08):
first place. The boss, I think we got passed last night.
I think we were first place until we gave up
a couple runs last night. So at the three point
one ad RA out of our bullpen, that's good.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We are also.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Best in the American League and fewest innings pitched by
our bullpen number one. So you know, even though I
had a lot of problems, a lot of you listening
have had a lot of problems with the way that
Dan uses his bullpen.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Got a lot of problems with you people.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean, we have to acknowledge before we start criticizing
that whatever he's doing, no matter how strange at times
it seems to some of this and I'm absolutely bewildered
at this point.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
By what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
That they are getting results, and maybe those good positive
results are because of how careful they're being with usage,
and because how they're trying to steal outs here and
steal outs there, and because Matt Brash is not used
on back to back days and sometimes not back to

(30:10):
back weeks.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
So whatever their method is, and I might call it madness,
they are getting results out of their bullpen use. I
don't quite see it that way. I think you've got
a really good bullpen assembled here, maybe a great one,
and if you would just use it a little bit smarter,
I don't think that you would be having all of

(30:35):
this consternation day to day, week to week that you
seem to be having with how to use guys and
win to use them.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I think that's a fair assessment.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I think the biggest problem actually is all the
walls that they put up.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I had a little back and forth with Brady Farcas
he does that Refuse to Lose podcast, and he does
a good job any a huge baseball fan, and I
respect him for all of that, and I'm not using
him to point him out point this out. I'm just
in case he's listening, I wanted to at least use
his argument because he's he was defending on social media

(31:12):
last night Dan's usage of Cooper Criswell for two innings,
when I spent a little bit time bashing that and
so I just want to use what he said in
his his tweet. He was talking about what restrictions that
they are under and does he really, does Dan really
have any more other option than to go with Cooper

(31:32):
Criswell for a second straight inning. Well, let's talk about
those restrictions, because number one is we've decided to go
to a six man rotation. We've you know, put the
piggyback on the back burner, on the piggyback burner, and
that immediately forces us to be down a relief pitcher.
I don't think we should be in a six man

(31:54):
rotation right now, but this is the decision that the
organization has made. So we're already down a second wall
that we've put up. And this is this is why
it's not as simple to navigate for Dan as what
I think it should be. Starting pitchers. If you're going

(32:14):
to go to a six man rotation, you kind of
have to ask them to go a little deeper. Yeah,
and yet we've kept in place this eighty five to
ninety five pitches window where if you finish an inning
and you're between eighty five and ninety five pitches, you're
not going to go out for another inning, right, So
that's another.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Like like Hancock yesterday.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, that's another obstacle that they've put in place. I mean,
Emerson wasn't on his a game yesterday, but one run.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
In five innings.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
He wasn't bad, right, and he was sitting at ninety
two pitches, And we already know we're down a guy
in the bullpen, and we already know about some of
these other obstacles I'm going to go through. You know,
maybe it's pushing Emerson into the sixth inning and then
having Chriswell, who we have faith to go more than

(33:04):
one inning, even though we don't with Brash, Spire or Munnos.
We pushed Criswell now he could bail him out if
he gets in trouble. But instead Emerson's at ninety two pitches.
We got to take him out, so they take him out.
So there's another barrier that we have to confront. Then
we have already decided apparently before the game that Spire

(33:26):
can't pitch because he's gone back to back outings. And
I understand that. I respect that. I don't think he
should have pitched last.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Night, Farrer. We also.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Brady Brady applied it to Ferrer even though at one
point he was loosening up. I don't know if we
have to apply it to Ferrer. I think the dude's
a horse.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he cares.
How many times in the roly pitches, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I mean, maybe that's playing with fire on my part.
But okay, we're out. We're down Ferrer too, because he
went back to back day. So now we're down to
five guys. Now we have five relief pitchers that we
got to use, and we just took out our starting
pitcher in the fifth. And then, according to the defense
of Dan Wilson, you can't trust mun Yokes after Sunday. Okay,

(34:12):
so we're down to four guys, and then you can't
trust Alex Hoppey with only a four run lead. Okay, well,
now we're down to three guys. We got three innings,
we got three relief pitchers apparently we can use, and
we have twelve outs to get and that's if we
stay in regulation, right.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And so Criswell trots out.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
In the sixth and he just pitched the day before
two and he has a clean sixth inning. Now to me,
it seemed obvious Criswell comes out because he just pitched
the day before. Rather than have him pitch another new inning,
you got a sixth inning out of him. I wasn't
even expecting him to pitch last night. Yeah, especially with

(34:58):
a lead. And and Matt Brash has not pitched in
a week. He's pitched one time in a week, one
time in seven days. This is another restriction that we've
placed on ourselves here. And so we bring in Matt
Brash in the seventh to bail out Cooper Criswell, who,

(35:18):
in my opinion, you got what you needed out of him,
and you got a chance to let him feel good
about that. He got back on track. And then you
go to a Bizardo or a Brash for the seventh
with a clean inning. I mean, is it against the
rules to put Matt Brash in a game without traffic
on it?

Speaker 5 (35:35):
I wouldn't think.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
So.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Something about pitchers, and I don't care what level it is.
They don't like cleaning up other people's messes. And this
is the funny part about it, they also don't like
other people cleaning up their own messes. I mean, how
many times have you watched George Kirby stand on the
top of the dugout until somebody cleans up his second

(35:57):
and third with two outs, because he knew I can
get out of this.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
What are you taking me out of the game for?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, so you leave every single practically every time Brash
comes in the game, it's to clean up somebody's mess.
And then he had to rush his bullpen session to
get into the game rather than having him ready to
go to start the seventh if that's who you wanted
to go to next in the sequence. And then he

(36:24):
comes in and he's obviously not warm. Because Matt Brash
has not had control problems this year.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
He was all over the place.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
He was everywhere with his pitches.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
It was so clear he wasn't ready to start pitching
live bullets in a major league baseball game. And so
now all of a sudden, you're like, oh gosh, and
because of all of our other restrictions, we now only
have one other guy we can go to who's properly
rested and ready for this game. So we stick with Brash.

(36:55):
He gets bailed out by the Johnny Parade to challenge.
Oh thank goodness, we get out of that inning. But
guess what we did. We saved Matt Brash for last night.
We didn't use him the night before. He's pitched one
time in seven days, and we were saving him for
the Orioles on Monday night. Apparently, apparently that was the plan,

(37:17):
and we needed twelve outs, and because Brash had to
come in and bail out Kriswell, we only.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Got two outs out of him last night.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Those are precious outs when you are putting up all
these walls, all these obstacles of guys that can't come
in for all these various reasons, and guys that can't
go deeper, and guys that can't pitch on back to
back days. We're putting up all these walls, and now
all of a sudden, though our best reliever available tonight
we use. We rush him into the game to bail

(37:50):
out somebody who shouldn't have pitched a second inning, and
then that pitcher only gets to use to get Burns
up two of the twelve that we need, and because
we can't possibly put him back into the next inning,
now we've lost that. Now we've got to get through
the night with Bizardo. And it turns out Munyos actually

(38:11):
was available last night and so was Forrair, And yet
we dance our way around all these obstacles and I
just think it's too much work. Like I think you
were just so over complicating this.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Pitchers want to pitch with a clean inning, Let them
pitch with a clean inning. Why on earth did brass
just not start the seventh and Bizardo not just start
the eighth and Muono's does to start the ninth if
you knew that he was available, rather than we're gonna
steal some outs from Criswell on Sunday blows up in
our face.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, can we steal some more outs with Criswell on Monday?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I mean, we could let him go hit the showers
with a clean inning and feel good about himself.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
But let's try to squeeze a couple.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
More outs out of him, and if he can't, we'll
use brash to bail him out, even though that's not
effective use of brash, right, And.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So to me, it's just I mean, if you're going
to put up.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
All of these rules in all of these walls, you're
not maximizing the outs that you need from your best relievers.
We do the same thing with Spire. I got news
for you. Spire is our best dude right now, and
the idea of using him in case somebody else gets
in trouble and having him to come in the middle

(39:33):
of the inning and he might only need one out
to get out of that inning.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
And then you're not going to put him in the back.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, that's just a horrible waste of your best guys
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
And so, yeah, I think there are too many rules.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
We have a six man rotation, we have a starting
pitchers can only go to ninety five pitches, and we
have a relief pictures that are being baby to the
degree that they've thrown fewer innings than any other relief
corps in all of Major League Baseball. Pick one of
those three dan that you got to loosen up on,

(40:09):
because if you keep them all then it's almost impossible
to navigate your way through twenty seven outs.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Well, and especially if you're going to six man rotation.
The whole point was that these starters are supposed to
go longer, and because you got to find a way
to help the bullpen and you can't keep their pitch
count and then also keep all those rules and.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Expect that you're going to get through it successfully.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I shudder to think what's going to happen to this
team if a starting pitcher really has a bad outing
like an inning and two thirds and we've got to
chew up seven and a third.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Is that going to throw us off for a month?

Speaker 5 (40:42):
I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I don't know what's going to happen. And I mean,
your starting pitchers have been very good to great, Your
relief has been very good to great at times, and
yet we are having the damnedest time. I mean, we're
in June and we can't figure out where to find
twenty seven outs from our pitching staff. All of them
are pitching pretty well this year, and we're having this

(41:07):
much trouble from night to night. Why on earth are
we putting brash and spire in in the middle of
innings to bail other people out and then not maximizing
the few precious outs you're allowing them to give us
every night.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
It's a very good question.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I don't get it. I don't get it, and it
was explained to me like it's very easy to understand. Well,
then I'm stupid because I don't understand why they're doing
it this way, because my way makes a whole hell.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Of a lot more sense, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
All right, coming, I'm next on the radio show The
West World has gotten crazy here as of late, and
we'll tap into our Seahawks one series to describe some
of it for you Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
But right now, your ABC's of the ms are daily
Mariners segment. The alphabet takes us through a few different

(41:59):
Mariners topics and we never know where it's gonna lead us.
We left off of the letter M, and I think
the alphabet has no choice. Simmy's for Munos has to
be discussed. It was our big topic on yesterday's radio program,
and last night kind of some back and forth on
X with a few Mariner fans, and one of the

(42:19):
suggestions was that maybe, you know, maybe he doesn't have
to exclusively be in the closure role.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And I had said this yesterday that I'm open to
that right.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Now, and I'm I'm starting to feel like I'm coming
across as a munios apologist.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
That's not what I'm and that's not my ambition here.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
But I do believe that the problem with Munos is
that Dan is using him as only a save guy,
not even a closer. We only put him in the
game if it's a save or if we're tied in
the ninth. That's the only time that we use Andre's Munos.
And I went through some numbers yesterday suggesting, not suggesting,

(43:00):
but pretty much mapping out as clear as a bell
that when Munos is used in shorter rest, he's more effective.
I mean, the difference is like nine runs per nine
innings effect.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Yeah, if he pitches every other day, was his best.
That's what you showed, right, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Was his best. That's when he doesn't give up a run.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, And he's better on no day's rest than he
is three days or more.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
And even on two he's better on no days rest
than two days rest.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Now, I'm not saying to use him every day or
even every other day, because that, you know, those appearances
start to rack up. But there's no reason he couldn't
get sixty five to seventy appearances this year.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I think he needs to be used.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
More often, and so maybe that does lend itself to
he's not just our only closer.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Maybe we do have to use him.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
In situations just so he could get more usage where
a save's not on the line, and if the next
night because you used Munnos and he's not available, I
have no worries at all about for air or brash
or fire saving a game for us. I mean, this
isn't like landing on the moon. They're very capable of

(44:05):
getting the last three outs of the game. But ideally,
I think Munyos should be our closer, and I think
when he's on his game, he is our most devastating reliever,
and I think he's proven that as an elite closer
the last couple of years. And then I got this
pushback and it's only one person. I shouldn't give light
to this because I said, when Munos gets back on

(44:27):
his A game, he's back in the role. And he said,
I think you need to brace yourself for him never
getting back on his A game.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
For what What was the basis for that?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Why?

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Why?

Speaker 5 (44:37):
What?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
What are you saying that says that he couldn't have
the potential for getting back on his A game. He's
not throwing any He's throwing just as hard. His slider
is still unhittable when it's right. He's dominating right handers,
and he's more effective as I said, he's perfectly fine
when he's not shelved for five days at a time

(44:58):
and then asked to knock the dust off and come
in and close out a game. There's nothing physically wrong
with Andres Munjos. I don't even think there's anything psychologically
wrong with Andres Munos. Andres Munos is a little bit
off his game, and that just is a matter of
getting him back into rhythm. And the best way to
get him back into rhythm is to have him pitch more,

(45:21):
even if a saves not on the line, and even
if it means somebody else has to save a game
in the process. I'm perfectly okay with that. But we
need Andres Munos to be good. We certainly want Andre's
Munos to be Andres Munos. Maybe we don't need it,
but we absolutely Man what a benefit it would be
if he is.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah, absolutely would be a benefit.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Uh and is for Nana boy.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
My grandma Powell was one of the sweetest people you've
ever met.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Southerner, Okay, yeah, and she only.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Got what mad at me one time in my life,
and that's when I had the audacity as a child
to take an well, wasn't an Oreo cookie because they
were never gonna buy top name brands pretty cheap.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I don't even think it was that. It was like
lydros oh. It was like a cheap a knockoff of
another knockoff.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
And you could drink it or eat it while you
drink warm water.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
They were like you know, Boreos or something like that.
They weren't the good thing, but they were sort of
in the family.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And one time I I ate out the icing and
I left the cookie on the counter and she lost
her mind on me. She went from the nicest person
I ever met to like terrifying. And it reminded me.
I was reminded of that last night when Emerson Hancock
went off on Pareda last night like the Southerner sweetest

(46:45):
sugar pie, and Parada goes out there and whatever Parada
was doing, Emerson did not like it, and he wore
his ass out, and I'm like, Nana, Nana, oh, I
feel right at home. Parada must have eaten the icing
out of the Oreo Pareda.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
You can't do that, man, Johnny.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You can't eat the icing out of a Boreo.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
And that's the only thing I could think of, because
what on Earth could make the world's nicest human get
that angry with his catcher last night, but he gave
him a piece of his mind, and to parade his credit,
he took it. You know, he didn't like it. You
can see it in his face. He took it, put
his ear piece back in and went back behind the plate.
And then later had the challenge of our life.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
Yeah, and then just won the day.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
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Speaker 2 (47:39):
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Speaker 1 (47:42):
Past few years, so we all always do the Seahawks
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down one key Seahawks player for one entire interview. And today,
yes he's doing work with serious. He has a podcast
here locally as well, after every Seahawk game that he
is a part of. He had the best biceps in

(48:02):
the history of the National Football League. And he played
for your Seahawks as well. You know him, you love him.
It's Turbo himself. Robert Turbin now joins us for our
Seahawks one series here on Chuck and Buck Turbo.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Hey, I'm doing really, I'm doing great. How about you?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
So I'm doing all right? Is it number one NFL history?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I mean, will you will they make iron busts up
your biceps and put them in the Hall of Fame someday?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Well, I don't know if they're gonna do that. I've
got some competition over the years, but you know, it's
hard work, hard work. K's off. That's I can say
about that.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Well, I'm gonna get into our Seahawks one series player.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm gonna cheat a little bit though.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Speaking of biceps, what was your reaction to seeing Miles
Garrett joined the NFC West last week?

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Well, it was the shocking trade, only in the sense
that the la Rams were the ones that capture them.
You know, I thought that the grounds making the deal
wasn't so shocking, but the la Rams kind of suping
in and getting them was the factor. And you know,
obviously they're trying to maximize the last couple of years
in Matthew Staffords and good on them.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Super Bowl Champ Robert Turbin is with us here for
our Seahawks one Series today one analysts bring it down
one key Shawk player for one entire interview.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
So let's get to it. Who are we going to
break down today?

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Well, you know, we've got to go to the backfield,
there's no doubt about that. And a guy that has
sort of burst it onto the scene last season, had
a nice year before the injury kind of gave it
away right there. But Zach Charbona is what I want
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I love it. Well, let's get into it. Let me ask.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I think this is the big question, especially since we're
adding a rookie, which we'll get to in a moment,
in that backfield to replace Ken Walker. But push comes
to shove Zach Sharbonay returns healthy at some point during
the course of the season. Do you think he is
a guy that is good enough to be a number
one running back for a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Champion got Sharbay? Yeah, Yes, I do. I do. I
do think that he has all of the qualities and
all of what it takes to be a three down
back in the NFL, a three down back for a
Super Bowl championship winning team. You think about his run style,
it's physical. You can check that box. You know, he

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gets down, he'll he's decisive. You can check that box
and got the good guys and things of that nature,
you can check that box. And then most importantly, you know,
you think about his ability to be able to make
plays on third down. You don't think Zach Sharpernau as
the most uh you know, you know him as a
large receiving threat, but he does have good hands, but

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he can pass protect and if you can get a
guy that could recognize blitz you know, blitz concepts or
third down and be able to step in and get
it done from a mental and physical standpoint where you've
got yourself a three down back that you can win
a Super Bowl with. Un So, he of course, in
my eyes, can be a number one running back on

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a super Bowl winning team.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, you sound sounded legitimately surprised. I was even questioning it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I mean, how good do you think he could be
if he was just let loose and let rip during
a season?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Well, I think he could be a really great player,
you know, I really do. I mean the Seahawks, over
the course of the franchise's history, he has always found
ways to you know, bring in you know, some all
time great running backs think about the Kurt Warners of
the world, and obviously the Seine Alexander's and you know,
I think if ken Walker the third would have stuck around,

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he would have been an all time great Seahawks. He
was obviously a Super Bowl MVP, not to mention you know,
Marshawn Lynch and other guys, and so, you know, with
more repetition and more opportunity, you get a guy that's
working hard and does all the right things on and
off the field, you know, you can become a great player.
And I think that Zach Sharpe is on track to

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be able to accomplish that.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Robert Turbin is with us for our one series. We're
talking about Zach Charbonnet right now, who is injured ACL
injury is going to be targeted for a mid season
return for the Seahawks. I think that might be a
little bit optimistic. How worried are you about that recovery time?

Speaker 4 (52:24):
It's a little bit concerning. I tore my ACL in
January of two thousand and ten. I was still in college,
and the recovery can be gruesome, you know, just depending
on the severity of the injury and if there's any
complications with the surgery and stuff like that. I was

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able to return to full speed in eight months. I
know guys are doing it a lot sooner now. But
I didn't play that season, and I didn't play that
season because I knew that I probably wouldn't be my
and I knew that I only had one more year
of college left and I wanted to maximize that opportunity,

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and so I read shirted that year so I can
come back and actually feel like myself, not have to
wear the knee brace and feel super restricted and all
of those things. And so my only concern is that,
you know, when he first comes back, uh, and he
takes those first couple of hits, how stiff does the

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need get? You know, how explosive can you be a
on a down to down basis, on a game the
game basis, I don't know what kind of shape are
you going to be? And there's nothing like football shape
until you're actually playing football and you're in the game,
And so you know, I don't I don't know how
quickly Zach is going to be able to get acquainted

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when it comes back mid season, But if he's able
to finish the season strong, I think the year after
is when we'll see the real Zach Sharburney back.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
After having been through it yourself. How important it is
is it not to rush it, not to try to
feel like I've got to get back for my teammates.
How important is it to make sure that you're one
hundred percent recovered from this major injury.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
It's actually the most important part of it. And it's
it's so hard when you're an athlete. You feel pressure,
you don't want your job to get taken. I mean,
it's just a different atmosphere, especially at the pro level,
and so guys make tough decisions when it comes to
injuries all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
But the Seahawks. You know that I played for four
teams in the NFL. The Seahawks by by, by far
were the best in terms of, you know, ensuring that
players are taken care of from a medical standpoint. I'm
sure they're willing and open to practicing as much patience
as it takes in order for exact Sabinay to be

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the best that he can be when he comes back.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Robert Turbin is whether it's part of our Seahawks one
series former see Awk running Back, and of course he's
got his feet both planet in the broadcasting world now
serious sports, CBS Sports Network. He's podcasting here on a
local basis, and we've discovered a really great talent here
for breaking down some Seahawks football, so we're tapping into

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it here on Seahawks one series, and he's chosen Zach Charboney.
Of course, he chose a running back biased to break
down for us here today. And we got a lot
more to discuss about Zach Charbonay because ideal world Sharbonay returns,
you know, waits the full distance gets back, say late October, Robert,

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do you foresee Jadarian Price kind of just stepping right
into the Walker role and so it just turns into
Charbonnet and Price at some point during twenty twenty six
or do you think that the the carry sharing will
be divvied up a little differently if in fact these
two end up being a two headed machine.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Well, Jenerium Price has no choice to you know, to
accept that quote unquote. Kenneth Walker, the third row is
the first round pick, and so he's got some big
shoes to fill as the as the primary back going
into the season, He's going to be the primary back
going into the season, despite whatever mistakes he might make

(56:25):
in the preseason and all all those things, he's going
to be dependent on, uh, you know, to be the guy.
And then when Zach comes back, you know, I think
Zach will probably get you know, minimal stuff. I don't
see Zach getting double digit carries right away when he returns.
He might get five or six carries in the game.
He might work some third down pass protection stuff, but

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you know, don't I don't see his load, you know,
kind of you know, being very heavy, especially to start
now as a season progressive, maybe Juderian Price has to
hit that rippie on all a little bit. As for
that better in predence with Zach, Sharpernay really starts to
show up week twelve, thirteen fourteen, and then you start

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to see still some imbalance. I think Darian Price for
the majority of the season will get most of the work,
but you'll start to see a little bit more balance
in terms of playtime between the two.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, it's funny you bring up the rookie wall because
as you were.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Saying that, I've long expressed you know that I think
it's great to add fresh legs at the running back position.
At the end of the season when everyone else is tired,
and all of a sudden you get some guy back
from an injury, or you're traded for somebody that has
all the tread left on his tires.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I mean, I could point out a list to you,
but there have been a list of guys that at
the end of the year kind of took over football
seasons just because as running backs they were fresher than
the defense. Defense is trying to bring them down. So
could it be a strange benefit for Zach Harbonnay to
miss some time and even though he's coming off an
injury by the time you hit playoff time, that he

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might be the freshest.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Cat out there.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
I think that's a legitimate point. I think kenn if
Walker the Third is a good example of that. I mean,
you think about it. There was a heavy share of
time on the field and carry between Zach charbernev. Knderwalker
the Third, and at times even you know, just Zach
Charbonne got the bulk you know, of the work in games,

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and even though ken of Walker the Third may have
been disappointed in some of those opportunities when Zach Charbernay
went down. You can see the freshness that Knawalker third
had in that second half run, you know, all the
way through winning a title that he probably wouldn't have
had had he been, you know, the the number one

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guy most of the season, he probably would have you know,
broken down at some point, not gotten injured, but just
not as fresh. So it could absolutely work to your
benefit where you're taking some time off. It's the biggest
thing is just being in shape, man, being in football shape,
and that's hard to do when you ain't playing football.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Robert Turbin is with us part of our Seahawks one
series breaking down Zach Charbonay. So theoretically, you know, Charbonay
and Price are the new Charbonnay and Walker. But Charbona
is not going to be available for a while, as
we've already discussed. So what do you know about Emmanuel
Wilson and can he fill the Charbonet role until Charbonet

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himself can fill it.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Well, he certainly has the skill set to do it,
and he wouldn't be on the team if there wasn't
an opportunity to kind of take that role. He does
have similar capabilities in terms of his physicality and being
able to get downhill. I think Zack Charbonet is a
little bit more elusive in terms of being able to
make guys miss in space. But Emania Wilson does have

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that ability to catch the ball out of the back.
He's got good hands. I wouldn't call him a passing
threat per se, but he's available there with the check down.
He's a disciplined player. And so the only thing you
worry about with the manual is just the consistency of production.
You know, there are times in Green Bay where it

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was like, oh man, this guy's got a lot of potential.
When then when they gave him a larger, you know,
a load of work, you know, it didn't quite go
so well from you know, all the time, and so
you just hope for some consistency there sometimes of change
the scenery to be beneficial for you. But he certainly
has similar qualities to be able to step into.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
That role of Zach Charbagnet in the meantime, you know
this group, is there another running back that you think
is a sleeper in all of this for carries this
upcoming season, somebody jel you pick one from the letter
here that you think we might see more from than
what we are carrying on about right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Well, it's gonna be a lot of heavy competition. There
always is if you go around the league running back.
I don't know what it is about that position, maybe
because if there's only really one spot out there, you
know that you could trust, But there's always so much competition.

(01:01:22):
I know a lot of fans, a lot of folks
really love George Alliane. He's one of those guys that
it just feels like every time he gets an opportunity
to play, whether it's on offense or special teams, whatever
it is, he shows up. He's the guy that consistently
shows up. You know. Obviously he doesn't have the intangibles

(01:01:44):
from a side standpoint, but that doesn't matter. Darren Sproles
is one of the best running backs of all time
in my opinion, and he was like five six or
five to seven, and so you know, George Alane to
me is another guy that I would look at in
that room and say, man, he could be a big
time player because of what he's displayed on film in
his history.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Robert Turbin is with us talking Zach Charboney here in
our Seahawks one series.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
So in the meantime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I mean, we know we're gonna miss some time with
Zach Charboney on the sidelines recovering from that acl What
is it about his game that you think that they'll
miss the most is running? Ability, blocking ability, leadership experience.
What is the thing that we're gonna miss until Zach
Charboney gets out on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
The football field.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Well, I think he's an underrated playmaker. And that's the
thing that you missed with kenoth Walker the third It
was just like you almost didn't know what was going
to happen every time he got the ball, and all
of a sudden, boom, you know, he's down the sideline,
you know for a seventy yard touchdown or some Zach
Charbney has that same sort of playmaking factor to his game.

(01:02:56):
You know, you get him the rock, all of a sudden,
he's broken a couples and he's at the third level
in space, you know, with a with a chance to
take it to the house. And it feels like whenever
the run game may have had a slow start or
not really going well, it was Zach Charbonnay who boomed,

(01:03:19):
you know, broke a tackling oh, all of a sudden,
the run game. It got sparked because of a big
run by Zach Sharbonnay. So he's an underrated playmaker, and
I think that's what you'll miss the most while he's out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
All right, Robert Turbin, great stuff, man, What you got
planned for this summer? Going to do anything fun?

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Well, we just won our flag football championship this past weekend.
My son is nine. I coached the team this year,
so that was a lot of fun. My daughters and
Dan and so we've got a couple of trips down
to southern California because she'll be she's fourteen going on
like thirty, but she'll be performing in some concerts and

(01:04:00):
stuff like that, uh in uh in southern California this summer.
So we got a couple of trips to support her
and her dreams and things of that nature. So uh
a fun and eventful summer coming up. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
That sounds great. Turbin fan is gonna be busy. By
the way, your guy Bobby Wagner got his doctorate. Apparently
once all his friends and family and and and others
to call him doctor Wagner. Are you gonna are you
gonna do that? You're gonna fall in line. Call him
doctor Wagner from this point forward, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Still I'm gonna call him doctor b Wag, Doctor b Wag,
you know, because I still have to I still have
to implement the nickname. The nickname can't go anywhere, you know,
So doctor b Wags. That's how I'm gonnapproach the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Uh well, uh you you do you that's for sure.
All right, man, awesome stuff, Thank you very much. We'll
bug you again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
All right, all right, man, take care. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Robert Turbin joining us right here on Chuck and Buck
in the morning. Good stuff, good breakdown of Zach Charbonne
there from Turbo. And we'll do this again tomorrow with
our Seahawks one series once a day every day throughout
the month of June. Coming up next, though, we do
have a baseball game to recap, and yes, I know,

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the catch, the drive and now the challenge, the challenge
that changed our lives. Plus Josh Naylor had a pretty
big influence on the game last night as well, So
we recap it with the Baseball Brunch next on Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, nine o'clock hour,

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and on Tuesdays, that segment belongs to former Mariner Ryan Healy,
who of course is also gracing our lives these days
as part of the Mariners television team as well, and
so every Tuesday nine o'clock we get his thoughts on Mariner's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Baseball and we dive right in here with Ryan this morning.
Good morning, sir, Good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
How are we doing today? I'm doing all right. Actually
brings up a good question. Did you ever do one
of those dugouts standoff things?

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:06:19):
I was normally standing at first base or third base
ready to play ball, and there was always a starting
pitcher that had nothing to do that day that I
delay it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
It's my favorite. Makes me laugh every time, do you yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Do the players actually like it or do they find
it as annoying as I do.

Speaker 9 (01:06:37):
It's it's indifferent, okay, I can't say that. Like it
motivates me, but also like the pitchers live in a
different world. So if that's what their their goal was
for the day, then you know, go do it. But
them players, they don't.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
They're done playing with it. It's like an immediate ejection
for both pitchers. See you later.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Oh good all right iron, that's why they do it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Then they can go hang out in the clubhouse and.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
Maybe that's the strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
It's a good point go golf with the guy you
lost to the standoff too. Actually, just brought it up
during the break and I'm like, I haven't never asked
for Ryan about this. I'm gonna do it to start
our conversation. One other thing before we dive into a
lot of really meaty conversations we need to have today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Are you doing the home run derby?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
They keep promoting it and Ryan Roland Smith's signed up
to embarrass himself, but you probably would stand a pretty
decent chance.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
And yet versus each you row, how are you gonna
fare in that scenario?

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
If I beat each ye road, then this whole event
is a fail, Like this is each e Ro's game
to win at this point. I've seen him hit BP,
We've obviously all seen him play as well, and he
was automatic in the five to six hole base hits
on command. But if you ever watched his batting practice,
he can also go automatic home runs pull side, just
swing after swing. So I'm gonna have to really get

(01:07:52):
into shape and prepare for this to really have a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Shot, but you are going to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
Oh yeah, I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Okay, good good. Finally might have some competition. Then we
needed some competition for eachiro. Define competition. Somebody that can
hit more than one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Okay, I'll take that. Yeah, all right, you can do it.
All right, Ryan Eally is with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
We got a lot to discuss, including last night, and
let's begin with you know, the forty nine ers have
the catch, and the Broncos have the drive, and now
we in Seattle have the challenge. I love the ABS
challenge system. I love what it's brought to the game.
But man, Ryan, that's how it's used. Last night, Johnny

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Prada didn't know if that was a ball or strike.
That was like, oh maybe fifty to fifty, and maybe
even he didn't feel that confident about it. And yet
the situation dictated this is worth challenging right now to
try to bail Brash out of whatever he's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Going through this inning. I thought it was that was
some great drama that we've never had in the his
three of our baseball lives until this season.

Speaker 9 (01:09:03):
It definitely adds a layer of excitement to I don't
want to say a mundane moment because a basis loaded
walk and a tight game is pretty exciting in itself,
but the opportunity to change the result of the bat
after the umpire already determined that it was a ball
was incredible. I haven't seen Parada have as much success
as Garver. Like Garver is unbelievable. We have to play

(01:09:23):
with those decisions of when the challenge. But the fact
that Parreeda got that that sweeper up in the zone
that just clipped the top enough to make that strike three.
Talk about just baseball being a game of inches, that
was a great example of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
And a wild night.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
That's two wild games in a row, and I suppose
doing baseball math, you lost one of them you shouldn't
have lost, and then you pulled out last nights and
I guess you'll take that. After two wild evenings in
the American League to go one and one, I suppose
you feel okay about that.

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
I'm curious the lenses that you're watching the games through
now and how Mariners are watching the games now. After
that eight game winning streak, when we all felt like
we saw the potential of this team, even with missing
Brendan Donovan and Cal Rawley, the opportunity for them to
actually go on that type of run and take care
of business. I'm curious if you're watching through the lenses
of I can see the minor details that are winning

(01:10:18):
and losing games, and when you see them, you're like, ah,
that makes sense. It's not because the offense thinks, it's
not because the pitching staffs thinks. It's that one little
moment that can change the course of a whole night
in any game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah, Brian Healy is with us and man, just a
couple of bizarre games, And I gotta get your thoughts
on how Dan's using his bullpen, because it's been a
huge topic here the last couple of days and really
for a lot of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Anyway, I play right there. I'm armchair manager. I'm playing along.
I promise you I don't do hindsight and that you
know you give up two runs and you have a
problem with the decision. If I have a problem with
the decision, I had the problem with the what went
what went into the discs, not the result of the decision.
And so I would say I've been having some issues

(01:11:04):
with Dan's choices with his bullpen, and I'm wondering if
you're going through the same thing yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Now that you're a big time Mariner's analyst.

Speaker 9 (01:11:16):
Can you be more specific? What are your biggest grapes.
I want to be specific with my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I'm gonna take one example from yesterday, like Matt Brash
for example. I mean, he's pitched one time in seven days.
You clearly saved him for last night, and then because
you go, you don't give him a clean inning. You
let Chriswell go a second, and he just pitched the
night before. Now Brash is rushing to get into the game.

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He didn't look to me, and he's not struggled with
his command this year. He didn't look to me like
he was ready to pitch last night.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
The guy that you saved for the night.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Has to bail out somebody else and you only get
two outs out of him when you are trying to
piece together twelve outs and a ballgame with a bullpen
that obviously you're using it as if it's tired, because
there are so many guys that you're deeming unavailable to you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
So stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
That's just one example of many. But I've been having
an issue with it and I'm just wondering if you've
been having any issues with it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:16):
No, it's tough to nap, not as much. And part
of it, I believe, is like there's a picture that's
really missing right now in Bargas. Like Vargas was that
bridge guy that had the high leverage stuff but could
bridge some of those emergency situations.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
Bizarro's kind of turned into that as well.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
I think he's always been kind of the seventh inning
guy plus a high leverage spot that shows up earlier
in the game, you know, forrare. I feel like plugs
into so many different holes in that bullpen when there
are guys that are unavailable, which has been so nice.
Brash's command hasn't looked really sharp to me any time
that I've seen him pitch since he's come back from

(01:12:54):
the eye yell. This command doesn't look automatic. It still
looks like he's searching. I would put him in Munio
the similar buckets of like the sweeper is really great
and it's nasty, but when it's not in the zone
early in counts to entice the hitters to swing as
they progress, like when they face a really patient line
up this bullpen, it's tough because they fall behind, you know,
one oh two, oh two one really quickly, and then

(01:13:17):
all of a sudden, it's the automatic fastball. And I
don't care if you throw one hundred and one or
if you throw ninety three. A big leaguer is gonna
get on time with it. The here's the thing, though,
about great teams in the major leagues. The best teams
in the league don't have the highest innings pitched of bullpens.
Why because the starters are able to stretch the game
into the seventh or sixth inning consistently. So I don't

(01:13:38):
think we're sitting here saying we want the bullpen to
throw more innings, because what we want actually is fans,
is we want that bullpen to be as healthy as
humanly possible when it comes to August, September, and then
especially through October, and then that's when it's all hands
on deck.

Speaker 7 (01:13:53):
It's a full sprint, but there is some navigation.

Speaker 9 (01:13:55):
And I'm trying to give the front office and the
coaching staff some credit that they've been through this journey
last year of going really deep in the postseason. They're
learning from their experience of how can we better utilize
the relievers earlier in the season so that they do
feel one hundred percent or close to it when the
games are du or dye.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Now, let's talk about the starting pitching then, because we've
gone to a six man rotation and Ashley and I
were discussing earlier. I thought one of the benefits of that,
you're down a relief pitcher, but you're also giving your
pitchers starting pitchers an extra day rest. And yet they've
not budged on that window. If you're between eighty five
and ninety five pitches at the end of an inning,
we don't send you back out for the next inning.

(01:14:36):
Should they push the envelope a little bit there? Should
Emerson Hancock have gone out for a sixth inning considering
the fact that you are acting as if your bullpen
is at the end of its rope, with how careful
you're being with usage.

Speaker 9 (01:14:49):
Right now, I don't have the exact pitch count, but
I thought I saw ninety stretching two, Okay, sonety two.
I thought I saw stretch a little bit further. I
think I don't think I know that teams have a
formula and they have a system of how they're going
to operate within their starting pitching, and if that's what
they are projecting is the best opportunity to keep these

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six guys healthy for the rest of the season, they're
gonna continue executing it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
But I also believe that the second half of.

Speaker 9 (01:15:16):
The season they'll start to use their eyes a little
bit more and use less of the numbers and the
process that they're executing right now. It just seems so
clear to me that with every single pitcher there is
a plan. Not just for the short term. This game
is dueber die. This is for the games that start
after the one sixty two finish. It got so close
last year that it just looks like to me that

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this team is making decisions based off of where they
want their staff to be in September and October.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
What did you think of Emerson's chewing out of Johnny
Pareda on the mount. I didn't know he had that
in him. I really, he's just such a He's just
such a sweet young man, and yet he knew exactly
what he wanted from Parada and he let him have
it on the mound.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
I didn't see that live, But.

Speaker 9 (01:16:06):
What my guess is that their relationship's pretty good. Okay,
And there's a lot of trust there. So for Emerson
to be able to speak up and speak his mind freely,
I actually respect that. Is he gonna have that same
conversation with cal Rawley? Probably not, But I do understand
the competitor's mindset of things that are said between the
lines can't be held up in the court of law

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when the game is done, because I'm not that sane
human right now. I'm functioning purely from a place of
high emotion and high energy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
One last thing about pictures and then I'll move on
for you for your benefit andres Munos, I mean, they're
obviously keeping him in that closure role.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
I would keep him in that closure role. What would
Ryan Healy do?

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
I was so happy to see him back out the
next day.

Speaker 9 (01:16:55):
Everyone knows the free bases to have to stop, and
I would say the game of inches, in the game
of you know, really close, calls that challenge what that did.
Last night, I was watching the bottle of the ninth
inning and I was thinking, man, the fact that that
run didn't score on that double play from Julio to
Bliss and then also the strike three to Pete Alonzo

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to run saving plays there was a walk that Muna's
had the ninth inning last night, Yeah, but the tying
run was still standing on deck. Whereas if one of
those two run scores, Munyos walks, that guy, now the
tying runs standing to play and they're swinging away from
time to game like, those are the moments. And I
guess is as a fan, if you're feeling the anxiety

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of your closer, who is so good and has been
so great over his career coming in of oh my gosh,
she's gonna get it done today, you can imagine that
he's probably feeling some of that too. So now Munyo's
is battling that internal voice standing in the pitcher's mount
of am I gonna get the job done today?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Verse?

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
I need to execute this pitch And it's a constant
push and pull, every single one. And I would like
to see them keep him in that role and allow
him the opportunity to work through this because this experience.

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Of the failure and that that mind, that kind of
that man.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
How do I say this properly for the air, there's
a there's a voice in your head that we call
a certain name that isn't kind, but there's a voice
in your head. That's like, try convince you of the
fact that you might stink as a player, or that
you can't get the job done, And it's not truthful,
but it can happen. And to see him work through
that day in and day out, and the Mariners continue

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to throw him out there to allow him to work
through that could serve him so so good and this
team so well in the long run.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Well, I mean the stuff's still there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I mean he threw a couple of his nastiest sliders
he threw all season long last night. He's thrown just
as hard as we need him to throw. It's just
a command thing. So I don't think he's that far
off if and so it's just a matter of getting
him back into rhythm. Ryan Healey as with It's former
Mariner now part of Mariner's television crew. So last time
we checked, we had a shortstop issue. Who do we

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play at shortstop? And now we might not have either
one of them for a little while, depending on the
news we get about Cold Emerson's back. But that was
a little shocking to find out that JP went on
the IL, which I wasn't expecting. And then moments later
Cold Emerson's unavailable as well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
What was your reaction in that moment?

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
I was shocked as well.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
I was.

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
I think the game started and I was actually in
the batting cage to work with some hitters, and I
pulled up the game real quick and the Marriagers were
down one nothing, and the first thing I saw was
JP Crawford goes in the IL and then Colt Emerson scratched.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
I was like, oh no, who's playing short? M Like
they had to have made a move.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
And then I saw Ryan Blizz came up and say, okay,
they have some coverage at least to play there. And
then I saw Cole Young was playing short. It was like,
oh I saw Cole play play shortstop in spring training,
Like he can be serviceable there, no problem.

Speaker 7 (01:19:43):
But it just made me think immediately, like where's Brendan Donovan?

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
And we probably haven't talked about Brendan Donovan a ton
because of how good Colt Emerson has been. But this
is the moment when you're like, man, where's the middle
infield depth that this team and organization has And they
have the bodies, but unfortunately there's a ton them on
the IL right now. But let's just say this from
I understand, how different does this team look without JP

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Crawford in it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I would like to see it, honestly, because I was
gonna ask you about Brendan Donovan. That was gonna be
my next question when he comes back, what's it look like?
I honestly, Ryan would like to see Emerson at short
and Donovan at third.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
And I know you don't feel that way.

Speaker 9 (01:20:25):
I don't, but listen, I understand why you want Emerson
to play shortstop. I completely understand. And the numbers can
validate some things. But also the numbers are so accessible
to fans and media. But what fans and media don't
have is they don't have that eye of seeing how

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productive an infielder outfitter is on a day to day basis.
And I was talking to Perry Hill about this because
my question was about Julio and then some of the
infielders and the numbers and analytics, like how much do
you look at that? He goes it doesn't make sense
to me. He's like, the numbers don't add up the
league wide analytics that they use. There are some that
are that are valid, but they're also very skewed and

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just for fans perspective. Teams have started making their own
analytical formulas to evaluate a defender because they don't trust
the ones that are league wide, so they've started to
find their own ways to evaluate a player's value. It's
and it's it's so fascinating to me, and it's not
something I ever said of the player. I do think
that there's a prob there's a rotation of JP Coult

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playing shortstop, but I think JP's bat has been so effective.
The traffic he creates on the bass path in front
of those two three four hitters does so much good
for this team. I do think that Brendan Donovan probably
does lead off when he comes back, and you look
at his number like we're missing a like the Matters
are missing an eight fifty plus ops player right now
the season three hundred bats and that would be a

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massive jolt right now. But also credit to Colt Emerson.
He has anchored down third base defensively and then it
has stole some runs and some hits from a lot
of real good players. And wherever he plays, he's gonna
be special.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
So if I'm reading into this, Ryan Heay keeps JP
at shortstop. Emerson is your third baseman, So where would
you then put Brendon Donovan.

Speaker 9 (01:22:13):
There'll be a rotation of those. I think Brendan Donovan
will give Cole Young a blow once in a while.
I think Brendan Donovan can slot into And here's the issue.
You can't slot actually Brendan Donovan into one of the
out to positions because you're not gonna you might give
Randy roserena a day. But also that you posts every
single day, and you already got a platoon situation going
on the right field, so adding a left handed bat

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to an already left handed.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
Heavy rotation will be tough.

Speaker 9 (01:22:37):
I really think that it's gonna have to be a
consistent rotation between the three infield spots of second, short,
and third, where you see four infielders now playing three
spots and.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
You just kind of move them in a cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
That's satisfactory. Everybody be satisfied with that.

Speaker 9 (01:22:49):
You think, No, it's a lot of people are gonna
completely dislike it, And I don't know if the Mariners
will enjoy it either, and I don't know if the
players will enjoy it either. But it goes back to
the starting surplus conversation that we've had.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
A pickyback short stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:23:06):
It's a good problem to have.

Speaker 9 (01:23:07):
And I was dying, dying, laughing because I think the
Pirates did a piggyback the week after the Mariners were
going to the sixth meritation.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
I was like, Oh, there's that trigger word. Someone else
is doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Maybe they they started doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:20):
Yeah's it worked and when you look at the performance,
it worked for the Mariners.

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Hot topic though, my goodness, yeah, no doubt no.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
And it's still is triggering for a lot of fans
even though it did work, just the word itself.

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
I don't like the word anymore. I'm done with it.
It's it's a starter, surplus.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Starter surplus, got it all right?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Well, I appreciate you, We thank you. I mean, I
had like thirteen more questions. I'm like, how do I
ask him one more in the time we have allowed?
But you know what, I think this is a good
time to break it off. So great to see you.
Great breakdown.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
We appreciate it. We'll do it again next.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 8 (01:23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Yeah, we had a lot to cover. Yeah yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
There he is Ryan Heley, former Mariner, joining us right
here on Chuck and Buck in the Morning, a segment
brought to you by Dinos Pub in Renton. Yes, a
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Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
I mean, if that's not a ringing endorsement, then what.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Is coming up next? I really did have like thirteen
more questions for Ryan.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
I know when I was like when I you know,
I always let him know, like, Hey, these are some
of the things we might talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I was like, there's just too much and he's just
gonna know. I don't need to send him a whole
long list.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Coming up next, though, we are going to do sup
with you because we've asked you to help us. How
do you want us on this show particularly? I don't
want to speak for anybody else at KJAR any of
the other shows, but for this show particularly, I really
do want to know. How do you want us to
cover the World Cup for you? Sports Radio ninety three
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cover here on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Because I frankly don't know what to do. I really don't.
I know you don't want analysis from me. You shouldn't
want analysis from me, and I don't want to give.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
It to you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
No, I don't think anyone wants analysis from us. So
we've got that going for us. That's good news.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I'm not equipped for that. So how do you want
us to cover the World Cup for you? So you
at least get some of it in the morning. So
maybe you don't want it at all. So whatever, whatever
your thoughts are, suck with you. Four nine four or
five to one, talkback, YouTube, a lot of ways to
communicate with us.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
What do we got from the two o six up?
Just remember the US underperforms. If the US underperforms, it's
Dan Wilson's fault. Just keep hammering on that, all right.
So is that am I taking that as your Is
that a criticism of me?

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
I think it's okay. Just focus on the Mariners more.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
We've also got this one that's along those lines from
the fourty five. I'd much rather you be willing to
call out Munos for being awful this year. I'll get
my soccer news from ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Oh man, he's not been here, not awful. Yeah, but
he hadn't been awful. Yeah, so I just don't agree
with that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
I agree with them the two five three. Let's talk
about gambling on soccer and try to win some money.
Make it about who's covering spreads and player props that
are on a hot streak.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Let's win some money.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Oh okay, so more of a gambling I don't even
I don't know one person who gambles on soccer. Yeah
I don't. I don't either, until that you read that.
I didn't even consider that, And that's silly on my
part because obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I mean Brendan Soresby's gonna bet. Yeah, I know that. Sure,
you know he's all in on Trinidad and Tobago.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I'm sure he was probably betting on the friendlies, probably
probably probably taking Texas Tech minus the half goal. So yeah,
that's an interesting angle. Don't do you know any soccer
gambling experts?

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
I don't, but I'm sure we could find one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
I wonder if Jackson Feltz or Andrews, because that absolutely
we should be doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Yeah, that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
All right, I'm gonna write I'm gonna actually write that down.
So the gambling angle, and I've already written down like
schedule wise, like updating you on pivotal games even if
I don't provide analysis, which I won't, updating you on
pivotal games and what they might mean to the big picture. Okay,

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so that's what we're that's what we're gonna do with.
We've got two things so far.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Yeah. Four two five says zero soccer coverage is great,
thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Okay, yep, okay, even though it's the World Cup.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Even though it's the World Cup, that's what they're saying.
Let's see if two five three says your team vibe,
tell us about the festivities and local vibe, and that
kind of coincides with from the four two five. All
I want to hear about this World Cup is traffic
updates and where I need to avoid.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
So people want to know locally, like how it's affecting them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
See. I was just having this conversation with Ashley off
the air, and I'm a I'm kind of a pullback there,
cover kind of hosts. Bosses usually hate that, but I
was saying, I think it's more of a topic for
our friends down the hallway. It's bender and lifestyle stuff. Yeah,
it's Bender and Jody and Jewble. I think that they

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are probably going to talk about it more than what
we're going to talk about it at KGA R. Not
that we're not aware of it, but the but providing analysis.
I mean, we've got two young up and comers in
the soccer analysis world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
That pretty much it. I mean, I don't trust anybody else's.
I don't trust softies analysis of soccer.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
Not on the station. But that's why we're bringing in
Brad Evans.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Well Evans.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah, we're gonna have guests, for sure, that's a given.
We're gonna have guests to talk about the US team
and the entire tournament at large. But I think it
is more of a it's taking over Seattle, and that's
more of a like a lifestyle conversation than it really
is a sports.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Talk radio subject.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
But I might be wrong. Please correct me. That's why
we're doing this exercise. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Yeah, we've got more votes for soccer gamblings, So there
we go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Okay, we're gonna put a star by it now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
The two six says, just embrace it, especially when the
US plays Australia here in Seattle. Go to a local
soccer watering hole and dive on in, then come back
the next day and report on it. So that's still
more of the lifestyle, more of how you know things
are around town.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
Yeah, soaking it all up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Kangaroo and Kiwi? Is that still around there in Ballard?
I don't hang I used to live in Ballard. I
don't hang around there too much, but that was a
great place to watch rugby. I'd go there for rugby games. Uh,
and so I would imagine that's still hopping to this day.
I know who would know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Jackson will ask him about that on Thursday.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
Yeah, that's a good idea. Marcus says, love the World Cup,
but not a big soccer fan. Bar talk for the
group we're in. No analysis, just bar talk.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
This bar talk. Yeah, okay, what is that though?

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
I think just like, oh, you know, just the big
highlights whatever, what people are talking about on social media.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Oh did you miss that? Did you see that? Yeah
that was awesome. Oh they flopped blah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Blah blah blah blah. The buzz it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
So if another French and headbutts somebody in the middle
of the chest, we should talk about that. Then that
becomes a topic and we go use it. Dawn, thank
you for knowing what I was referring to.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah, but not if somebody fakes an injury.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
In the Cameroon game, right, that's definitely not because.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
There will be thirteen of those in the first.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Half, that's right. Okay, the two O six says please
no soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Okay, that's the easiest way for me. That's just cutting
right to the chase. But honestly, I do want to
provide flavor for here on the show. I mean, we're
a part of this world, right, We're a part of
this community, and it is a it's the biggest sporting event.
That's the biggest sporting event that there is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Is a really big.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Damn deal, and yet I'm just ill equipped to cover
it the way that I would normally cover a major
sporting Right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
We don't want to be pretenders.

Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
I don't want to just sit here faking things so
that we because we're supposed to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
We've got from the two six.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
It's not too many times that a US team is
considered an underdog in a sport.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
In soccer, it is.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
Imagine if we go on a run, it would be
like the miracle on ice, but on the pitch, you
would want to be a part of that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
So that's like the talk though, the buzz, that's the
stuff that you talk about.

Speaker 6 (01:31:17):
Yeah, Team USA, how they did things like that, any
crazy stories, If there's a Cinderella team that just goes crazy,
I guess US would be the Cinderella team.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
And I think we were already planning on doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
When we're having Brad Evans on tomorrow and most a
lot of art not most, but a lot of the
conversation's going to be about Team USA and whether they're
ready for that, So that seems to be a given.
We're going to have anders On and Jackson, we'll certainly. Yeah,
I think every time we crack the mics, the US
team's going to be mentioned. Crack the mics about the
World Cup, that is, Yeah, the US Team's going to

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be woven in there somewhat. So probably should have been
said before we even asked for text, But I'm glad
that you did mention that, because certainly that's an angle
we'll cover.

Speaker 6 (01:31:57):
Yes, we got this one from the three six no
Soccer scores and maybe US highlights.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
That's enough, Ashley, what's five Iron's handicap. Well, he'd be
mad if I told you it's a two?

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
What do you mean? Why would he be mad about that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
Pretty high for him right now?

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Oh oh, I thought, isn't that good?

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
It is good, it's just a he's been better, so
he would say he's not playing very well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Right, all right, But there we go.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
I think I think it's about it too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I think it's true handicap is his sensitivity to his handy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
I don't know if he'd really be mad. I just
I'm like, oh, I don't know. I think it's a two.
He's gonna be like, no, don't talk about it. Yeah,
and it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Yeah, uh, scores certainly will be handled and what's on
tap and in headlines for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
So yes, we got that covered.

Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
And from the four two five stup Chuck and' ash.
What's up with Bucky? Is he really on medical leave
or is he just getting ready for the home run derby?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
We honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Now there is this law that we aren't really allowed
to even contact him right because of because of the leave. Yeah,
because he's on medical leave, and so the company can't
look like we're putting any pressure on him at all
to come back, right, So if you give him a phone,

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even if it's encouragement, Hey can't wait to get you back,
or hey, how's it, then that can.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Be putting pressuring him one way or another.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
That could be seen as he's feeling pressure to come back.
And so there's really we don't know. And I think
there's a very good chance he's just taking the time
off to watch the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
And get ready for the home run derby.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
I mean that's what you're asking, way to use a
good way to put your time to good use. Though
the answer is yes, yes, What was the question again?

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Yes? The question was is he really on medical leave
or is he taking the time to train for the
home run derby?

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
And yes, Okay, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
I have a two three. This is the last one.
Don't cover soccer at all.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
I don't care about Bosnia her gertsmeanor I'd rather over
water polo.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Just keep doing what you do, all right, her girz demeanor.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I like it sounds like a really sweet wine. Yeah
it made in the Middle East.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Yeah, girz demeanor.

Speaker 7 (01:34:14):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
Well wait, last one?

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Four?

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Five?

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
Sup?

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
The World Cup starts this week. Check kept telling me
it starts in two weeks. Thank you, good one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
I believe right now it's two officially two weeks away, yeah,
right now from today from Mark there you go, yeah,
two weeks away, all right, one last thing next, thank you.
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