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Why you people are beyond you?

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Let's go, Let's get the game off. Hey, great morning
to you. Welcome into the radio show.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It is Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f M. Hope you all
had a great weekend and joined some nice sunshine, some
uh near perfect weather this weekend, all sorts of sporting
activities to take in, and here we sit on a Monday,
ready to recap it all for you, put it in
its proper perspective. Four hours to talk sports here today, Ashley, Ryan,

(01:16):
Chuck Powell with you until ten o'clock this morning. Hope
you had a wonderful weekend out there. Did your weekend
turn out well?

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Ashley My weekend was good.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
Ferry ran over to Widby, OH, hung out with family at.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
A winery on Saturday nights.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
Went to some softball tryout and it was actually really fun.
It was sunny and it was a good way to
spend a Sunday morning. Okay, good, And then hung out
on a friend's back deck all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
What hell? I know what that means.

Speaker 7 (01:49):
It means we were supposed to be unpacking her house
because she just moved in, and instead we dropped wine.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh I see, Oh I took it to something else.
Oh what'd you take euromism? Hung out to friend's back den.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
We were supposed to go over and unpacked stuff and
I got there, They're like, we're taking a break.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
We put together a credenza. Oh okay.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
And then they said so we're going to have a
glass of wine and then we're going to go back
to work.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
And I looked at them. I was like, you're not
going back to work, and I was right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
They didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:14):
Instead they poured tequila shots for people on the golf course.
You know what, their best life.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It just goes with building a credenza. I had a
nickel for every time that I started building a credenza
and ended up drunk on tequila.

Speaker 7 (02:30):
I know, right, Yeah it is hand in hand, Yeah,
one and the same bags, one and the same I
was very proud of myself.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
I didn't have any tequila, is that right?

Speaker 7 (02:39):
I managed to avoid it every time, and there was
probably fifteen.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Rounds of shots that were handed out that day.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I have like a I have not a great relationship
with tequila. And it's really it's just like one time.

Speaker 7 (02:54):
I mean, I don't know that a lot of people
have a great relationship with.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
People do though, because I think the mistake that we
make is we put it with like Margarita's and then
we drink like cheap stuff like apparently like the really
good tequila that you just drink.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
Oh, if you sip it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It is phenomenal. But I've never done that because I
had one bad experience with it years ago, and and
so for it's like for me, it's like, well, I
like that one. I've never had a bad experience with that,
And why would I do that if this one's really
good for me? Right now?

Speaker 6 (03:26):
I understand you, I should say I should get over it.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
I think not many people have a good experience with
tequila shots.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
That's what I should have said, because yes, there is tequila.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Sip in tequila, oh yeah, but oh yeah, especially a
top a brand new, poorly constructed, let's face it, because
everyone was drunk.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
Credenza, that's right. That's where we all sat on top
of the credenza.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
The broken cadenza, that's right. That could not hold our
weight because we forgot to put a piece to it.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
We tried though.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
All right, well, good morning to you. I just want
to say this because there are time that I start
a show angry about my drive in just I'm just
gonna fit just I sometimes driving just makes me angry,
and it's because of all of you people, truely, because
I do it perfectly. Okay, so sometimes I do. I

(04:17):
had a golden ride this morning, golden ride. It struck
me as I got on Mercer, like I have not
been angry with one motorist today, which is a new record. Yeah,
not one. And then it's like the traffic gods or
maybe God himself, was like, hey, for not complaining, for

(04:38):
not shouting, for not calling anybody a name, your entire
drive from Woodinville, I'm gonna give you every green light.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
That sounds like a magic Monday.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Perfect ride right down normally horrible, horrible stop every five
feet street and made it here. So a golden ride.
I mean we're off to a great start. Yeah we are.
So let's take that great feeling, that great mood that
we're all in, and let's fire a manager.

Speaker 7 (05:09):
Oh, I thought you were gonna praise everyone.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
No, but you know what, Honestly, you know, I was
worked up on Saturday about Dan.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I sent out a text to everyone just to let
you know what was coming and in case something did
happen that I'm on top of it. I'm ahead of this, yep.
And then all of a sudden you win, and then
all of a sudden you start a brand new week,
and then you have a golden ride in and then
you find out about a friend's trip to a deck

(05:43):
to build a credenza on tequila, and it softens your heart. Yes,
it softens your mood, but not enough, not enough. I
don't take this lightly. I take no joy in it.
I try not to over act. I think that is
my responsibility. I think that a lot of people that

(06:04):
sit in this seat and have this microphone and have
this YouTube channel in these platforms. They can't wait to
lop off heads. They just can't wait to do it.
Just never been my style. If it was, it's because
I was an over exuberant young broadcaster who thought I
had to have hot takes. I'm certainly twenty years removed

(06:28):
from that, if not more in my career, and so
I do really try to use this as last resort.
But I'm I think it's I think Dan Wilson's run
his course. I don't think he's the right guy for
the job. And we're going to get into some reasons why.
I will say, though, before I get into the reasons,

(06:50):
that I think that this team can still accomplish all
the goals that we had set for it, that they
had set for themselves with Dan Wilson as manager. I
mean the Dallas Cowboys one with Barry Switzer as a
head coach, you know, because they were well constructed and
the clubhouse was strong enough. And I don't think Dan

(07:13):
is I think he could still get this job done.
Look how close we came a year ago. But that said,
I also gave him a C minus a year ago.
As Ashley remembers, I'll remind the audience that was my
letter grade for him, and that was at the end
of the year, right I gave him a C minus,

(07:34):
and I went into the playoffs saying, it's the thing
I'm worried the most about with this team is Dan
Wilson and whether or not he's going to press the
right buttons. And I don't think that he did in
the postseason. I even said at the end of last year, Hey,
I don't think it's out of the question. If you
believe you've got a world championship team but you have

(07:54):
an unproven manager in that arena, that would it be
out of the question to consider an upgrade at the
managerial position. They did not. I don't think that they
had even crossed their minds, and I don't know if
it's crossing their minds now, but I will just say
as that game ended Saturday, and I watched those Mariner

(08:17):
players stay in the dugout and stare at the field
like they just lost a championship. You only see teams
do that after they've lost a championship and they want
to soak in the pain of watching another team celebrate.
The Rays just won a regular season game, two games
shy of the All Star break. That was not like

(08:39):
some significant win or loss on paper, but it obviously
meant more to the players Saturday than just a normal
Saturday afternoon in early July. They got touched by something,
They felt something Saturday. They realized, Man, we are bad

(09:02):
right now. We are a bad baseball team, and there
is no reason why we should be. We have the
pieces we have, the pitching we have. We don't have
a great lineup. We've never had a great lineup in
the Depoto era, but it should be at least a
good one. We shouldn't be making this many errors defensively.

(09:23):
We shouldn't be struggling this much to get twenty seven outs.
We should be doing a better job. I don't know
why we never can hit with runners in scoring position.
Why do we have these episodes of somebody deciding not
to hustle in the middle of a baseball game. Why
are we having base running blunders? Why as our superstar

(09:46):
hitting one seventy at the All Star Break, I mean
you could see it on their faces. I mean they
just look like we have failed. That was the look
on their faces. And we have got to fix this thing.
We cannot kick a season, not the way that we're structured,
not the way that we're built, not with how close
we came a year ago to making it to the

(10:07):
World Series. And so something happened, something deep happened Saturday.
And I don't know if finally Dan Wilson overturned tables
and let the locker room on fire, I doubt it.
I don't know if there was a closed door meetings.
Those things are overdone. Don't know if they always fixed things.

(10:32):
I'm not saying that there was a completely different fire
on Saturday. A Sunday, I'm not sure if there was,
but they certainly came out and played better even with
Emerson Hancock leaving the game. The bullpen stepped up, got
its job done offensively. You scored some runs. I don't
know what would have happened had we only scored one

(10:52):
run in that basis loaded situation. And JP Crawford got
his little flute flare, which is good. That's a good
sign for JP down the way field line, and that
turned it from a one run inning to a three
run inning and tend to put us on the right
track at that point. Maybe it's a different game if
that doesn't fall. But obviously a pretty easy victory by

(11:12):
comparison on Sunday, and so you at least get to
taste victory heading into the All Star break. But Ashley,
I'm not going to forget about Saturday, No, and that
feeling on Saturday. And my feeling was as the night
went on and I sat with that loss and a
five game losing streak on the road and watching a
team that I picked to go to the World Series

(11:34):
just play like garbage, not just for the last five days,
but for the entirety of the first half of the
baseball season. We don't have the right manager. That's what
struck me Saturday. That's where I sit on Monday morning.
I don't think he's the right guy for the job.
And I know he's nice, and I know he's a
playing legend in this town, and yet I mean, where

(11:59):
is the strength in his game as a manager? Because
I was under the impression it was his ability to
relate to all the players that they want to fight
for him because he's always got their back. And yet
we've had way too many examples of sloppy, lazy, emotionless

(12:20):
baseball that has been played here in the first half.
So he's not even touching that. He's not even reaching
his individual players, much less the collective on how the
game needs to be played, how winning baseball is played,
much less championship baseball. Dan may not know how championship
baseball's played. He's never played it.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Yeah, and I would say, yeah, being nice and being
a legend is not That wouldn't be the top two
things to have on my list for looking for a manager.
I was thinking this morning before I came in, I'm
gonna play the Mariners win song.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
But it doesn't feel like a win. You lost five
in a.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Row before you you had a good game yesterday.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
You won yesterday like by a lot.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
It looked your offense looked good, and the pitching staff
stepped up when they really needed to. But it just
feels like celebrating below mediocrity. To have won one out
of the six games in Florida.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, and I think that's what brought me to this
lowly state. I don't like doing it. I think I've
done it twice. I think I did it with Jacks Forensic.
I think I did it with Lorenzo Romar. Since I
came to town eleven years ago. So I don't do
this lightly. But I just did arrive Saturday at the
conclusion we need a new manager and nothing about Sunday

(13:40):
has changed that. And then I thought to myself, because
I did send out the text on Saturday to Ashley
and others at the station, just in case they do
pop him on Sunday. But you know, even service, they
waited until he was coming back, not until he got back,
but yeah, he was. The road trip was over before

(14:04):
they on his way back, yeah, before they made that decision.
So I wasn't surprised at didn't happen on Sunday, it
happens this morning, or it doesn't happen Okay, there's no
way they're gonna do it on Tuesday evening or Wednesday
afternoon or anything like that. I don't know. Maybe maybe
they would wait to not show up the All Star
Game and you would have Wednesday and Thursday off still

(14:26):
to kind of wrap your heads around it, light a
fire under this team, and start anew with your new manager.
On Friday. I'm gonna doubt that it happens at all.
I'm not surprised that it hasn't happened yet, even if
Jerry Justin and others have arrived at the same conclusion
that I did on Saturday. But managers today just don't

(14:49):
affect the game the way that they used to. From
an x's and O standpoint, you have analytics which drive
a lot of decisions for a lot of organize. All organizations,
All managers in baseball pray to the analytic gods to
some degree. Some are a little more loyal than others.
Dave Roberts is loyal to a fault. Just in case

(15:10):
you're wondering, that's the Dodgers manager who's on top of
the managerial world right now. But he's loyal to analytics
to a fault, I believe. So a lot of those
decisions are made for you. Nobody hitting run, nobody bunts anymore.
Nobody I mean stolen bases. I mean, you don't even
give a sign for stolen bases. Everybody's got a green light.

(15:31):
You think Josh Naylor's ever gotten a steal second sign
from anyone, and yet he has eighteen stolen bases at
the All Star Break for goodness sake, And it's because
everybody seems to have the green light. Maybe on occasion
you'll be told not to steal, but for the most part,
that's not even managerially controlled. The things that managers control

(15:51):
are three things basically. Number one, pitching changes, which I
think he's terrible at, as you know by now if
you've listened to this show. Pinch hitter decisions, which I
think he's been bad at, and I know he's been
bad at it because he's corrected, right, He's changed the
way he did it. Somebody got to him and said

(16:11):
he can't do it that way, which is what we
were saying on this show the entire season. You can't
do it that and he started to change the way
he does. So that's an admission of buh Boah, I
was doing that wrong, or at least somebody was telling
you you're doing it wrong, don't do it again. He
might disagree with that person, but he's changed, so I
think he's been bad at that. And then the one

(16:32):
saving grace was I know that the players like him,
but I think the players like him because he always
has their back. That's why he has boring ass press
conferences all the time because he won't call anybody out.
And players do like that, they do appreciate it, but
sometimes that's not that effective of a tool. Sometimes I
think you do have to call somebody out and if

(16:54):
you're not doing it publicly, I hope you're doing it privately.
But your team doesn't play that way. Your team plays
like they're disinterested at times. Your team plays certainly lackluster.
And I know that they don't. I know that they
want to win. I know they have desire, and I
know there's effort, and I know that sometimes when you're
losing and nothing's coming together, it's hard to look like

(17:17):
you are really hustling your ass off. But then there's that,
and then there's what we saw from Randy on Saturday.
And I will defend by the way that from Randy
later on in the show. I don't want to use
that as the example. I just think there have been
way too many lazy at pats, lazy attempts on the

(17:38):
base paths, lazy defensive plays, and that is a reflection
of the manager. That to me, is the reflection of
we're not focused, we're not playing our best, we're not
even trying our hardest, And that to me is a
reflection of the manager. He's not getting the most out
of his team. And that is the bottom line. Managers

(18:00):
are judged by nothing more in modern baseball than this.
We've given you a team. This is how good it is.
This is our expectation. I need you to get us
to that expectation, if not beyond, I need you to

(18:21):
a great manager. If I've set a goal for this
team on paper, AI tells me is worth ninety two wins.
This is a ninety two win team. If you're a
good manager, you get us ninety five. That's what you want. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Not.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
This team should be ten games over five hundred, seven
games up in the American League West, and we are
under five hundred heading into the All Star break. The
roster construction is not the problem. Rob Refsnyder is not
the problem. The manager is not getting the most out

(18:59):
of the team. And this is too important of a season.
There's too much at stake. It's the fiftieth anniversary. We've
never made the World Series. We may have a lockout
next year. We can't let it end by missing the
playoffs in a year in which the American League is
down like never before. So I endorse a managerial change

(19:23):
this morning. Officially, I don't think they'll do it, but
that's my statement on a Monday morning. This is the
fire Dan Wilson Show on Chuck and Buck and again,
I don't take that lightly, but I think it's time.
This team needs a new boss, a new voice, and

(19:43):
they need a shakeup. They need to be reminded. You
just can't play like garbage and not expect bad things
to happen. And I'd like to see it happen before
we play another game. Yeah till Friday.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
Okay, I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
That's where I'm at. I even have your solutions, which
I'll I'll share with you a little bit later on
in the show. But right now, let's find out what's
on tap for the rest of the programming. What's on Tech?

Speaker 4 (20:14):
What's on TEP?

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Speaker 1 (20:27):
All right, I've never had more baseball headlines ever to share.
Yeah that time. Yeah, Mariners finished the first half of
an eight to two win in Tampa Bay. We'll cover
that in Mariner's Morning After at six thirty, But they
lost five of their last six to enter the All
Star Break, which means, as we sit here this morning,
the Mariners are forty eight and forty nine, but believe

(20:50):
it or not, the playoffs started tomorrow, we're in. The
Mariners would have the third and final wildcard spot in
the American League playoffs, one and a half games back
of the Texas Rangers. Huge rumor over the weekend regarding
the Mariners are looking to trade a starting pitcher. Most

(21:10):
people are assuming that's Luis Castillo, but that's going to
be highly difficult as I mapped out Friday, and I'll
give you more details on that later on this hour.
The Home Run Derby is tonight. It's going to be
on Netflix, not your normal cable television outlet that you
are used to. So yes, Baseball will be streaming the
Home Run Derby and there is a brand new format

(21:31):
and I have no idea if it's going to work
or be successful, but we will talk about it later
on in the show. The All Star Game will be
played tomorrow. Unfortunately, gravely unfortunately, all sorts of cancelations on
the roster. I mean, it's starting to turn into the
Pro Bowl, and that's a really sad thing. I mean,
it doesn't even look anywhere close to the original rosters

(21:53):
that were announced, especially from the pitching staffs, So we'll
talk about that later on in the program as well.
The Major League Baseball Draft was held over the weekend.
Rob Chalowski of UCLA did go one to the White Sox,
and the Mariners ended up having maybe the best power
hitter in the entire draft fall to them in Ace
Reese out of Mississippi State, a third baseman by trade

(22:15):
might have to move to first base at some point
early in his career, but they viewed that as a
real steal at twenty four overall in the draft. The
Futures Game was on Sunday the American League One. Kate
Anderson and Ryan Sloan both pitched an inning and did
not give up a run. That just seems to be

(22:35):
their twenty twenty six seasons. The World Cup's going to
resume Final four action tomorrow at noon, and Major League
Baseball should think they're lucky stars they're playing that during
the day. Yeah, seriously, based on all those cancelations and
the World Cup fever, they have no chance competing against

(22:55):
the World Cup tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Now.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
Yeah, he's got some pretty epic matchups.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, France versus Spain tomorrow, England and Argentina will play
on Wednesday. Seahawks have a brand new owner. I'm sorry
to put this at the very end of the opening segment,
but we are going to spend our entire seven o'clock
hour talking about that so v nood Koshla, which I
looked up the absolute correct pronunciation, and I don't know

(23:21):
if I have it, And there's a reason because there
were seven of them given by AI and they were
all different perfect So I have no idea how to
pronounce his name, and I doubt Greg does either. But
we'll talk to Greg at seven oh five today and
the Huskies won series. We always do it during All
Star Week. We'll start today with Scott Eckland. That's right,

(23:43):
one analyst breaking down one unit of the Huskies for
one entire interview, and that's coming your way today at
eight o'clock and throughout the week. So obviously a lot
going on Mariners Morning after comes next Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. Rose a rated to right center field.

(24:07):
That's deep. Mason goes back at the wall. God, it's
out of here.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
A Rose arrata with a three run shot and at seven.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
Nothing Seattle barely got out.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Had to take a second look it says eleventh on
the season barness TV eight to two. The Mariners do
win a game on Sunday eight to two over the
Tampa Bay Rays, only one win on the sixth game
road trip to Florida, and so they hit the All

(24:42):
Star Break a game under five hundred, a game and
a half out of first place. But believe it or not,
if the season ended today, they grabbed the third wild
card in a first half that was down obviously in
the American League. Notice I didn't say bad. I don't
think the American League is bad. I think that there
are a lot of teams that are pretty decent. They

(25:02):
just had bad first halfs, including the Mariners. But I
do believe it'll be a different story in the second half,
which means they can play a lot better and still
be on the outside end because of the way they
played in the first half of twenty twenty six. So
we'll see how it goes. But we have hit the
All Star break officially, and there are a lot of
baseball headlines to get to in frost brewed cors like

(25:25):
chews chill headlines before we talk some football with Greg Bell,
So we better get after it. The Mariners forty eight
and forty nine on the season won't play again until Friday. Tonight.
The Home Run Derby will take place on Netflix, and
it is a great field. I mean, I realized that
it didn't turn out to have as many of the

(25:47):
superstars as maybe you would hope. But Kyle Schwarber, Ben
Rice Junior, Caminero, Jordan Walker, Bryce Harper, Wilson Contreras, Monataka, Moricami,
and Jack Caglion, they're going to put on a show
to Those guys are going to put on a show tonight.
Those are some great, great contestants for this Home Run Derby,

(26:08):
and of course we've heard of all of them, unlike
an NBA Slam Dunk contest. So where you criticize Baseball,
remember what other sports do and how difficult the time
that they have trying to get people interested in their exhibitions.
So I think Baseball does a phenomenal job getting a

(26:28):
field together for the Home Run Derby. There's going to
be a brand new format and it is going to
be a complete left turn. I don't have time to
tell you about it now, but we will discuss it
at nine o'clock today. The All Star Game will be
played tomorrow. This I have a bigger problem with so
many cancelations, so many guys that were on the original
rosters that have decided to tap out for this game.

(26:48):
It's very unfortunate. I don't want it to end up
like the Pro Bowl. After all, we do this in
the middle of the season. It's supposed to be a showcase.
The Midsummer Classic's right, and that will be tomorrow. But
there's gonna be a lot of guys sitting out this game,
and that's unfortunate. The MLB Draft was held over the weekend.
UCLA shortstop Rock Chelowski went number one to the Chicago

(27:10):
White Sox and the Mariners took Mississippi State power hitter
Ace Reese played third base for the Bulldogs, might play
first base eventually in his career, but by all accounts
a bit of a steal for the Mariners at twenty
four overall. The Futures Game held yesterday the American League
one Kate Anderson started the game, scoreless inning from him,

(27:31):
scoreless inning from Ryan Sloan, and so those two guys
just continue to build their prospect resume. The World Cup's
going to resume tomorrow with the final four. France versus
Spain will play at noon tomorrow and Baseball's like, whow
glad they're not playing primetime, whewy. So you'll have a

(27:54):
noon start for France Spain tomorrow and then Baseball should
have the American stage to themselves in the evening, and
then on Wednesday you'll have Argentina taking on England. So
the four that we expected, and I mean that in
more ways than one. We'll talk more about that later
on in the hour about what we want to talk

(28:15):
about right now. The Seattle Seahawks have a brand new owner.
It broke over the weekend, Venode Koshla, who we discussed
at great length on Friday from Sun Microsystems fifteen billion
dollars as what he's earned over his life and he
and his family. That's a very important part of the

(28:35):
story because his wife's going to be very involved as
an owner, his son's going to be very involved as
an owner, and Cosla is seventy one years old. So
I would imagine the Sun becomes the heir apparent to
the Seahawks, you know, Seahawks organization, and so we've got
a lot to discuss with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell

(28:57):
about this big story that we're going to talk about
all hour long here on Chuck and Buck. Good morning, Greg,
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
First of all, I've heard his name pronounced thirty eight
different ways. Nobody really seems to know. I even entered
it in AI this morning and seven AI told me, yeah,
but seven different There were like seven different examples of
how to how to pronounce his name, and they were
all different. How could they all be different? So do

(29:28):
you have a handle? Is it Vanad Koshla, Coosla, Coesla?
Have you heard it the right way?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Kasla?

Speaker 8 (29:38):
I don't know what the right way is because I've
never spoken to him or his family or his wife's son.
Kusla is what I was told and what I when
he first emerged as a potential bidder.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I joke.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
But it's fitting that you consulted AI because the family's
wealth is deeply intertwined in AI. He ten years ago,
Cosla was in the beginning stages of AI and investing
in it as an entrepreneur. He was on the forefront
of this, And of course now it's hugely taken off.

(30:10):
Your point at the very beginning about the family is
a good one that Benard Cauzla is the front man
that everyone's given attention to, and all the reports of
this sale lead with him. But in fact, the NFL
memorandum that went to all teams on Saturday when the
news of this broke to inform the teams of this

(30:30):
sale agreement says that his wife, Neru Causel, is going
to be the controlling owner.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
What does that mean?

Speaker 8 (30:38):
Well, they can divest. They will divest the rod term
they could divide the shares of how much they own individually,
where her husband could own ex percentage of shares and
the son Neil could own expercentage of shares. According to
the NFL, the wife Nero is going to own the
majority of the shares if she's the controlling owner, that

(30:59):
means she would own at least thirty percent, and the
league prefers up to fifty percent or more of the shares.
Is the controlling owner's interest, so that she is actually
the principal owner according to the league, and she would
have the ultimate authority as the controlling interest in the club.
So who is Nero Causele? I wrote a story last

(31:22):
night that I posted this morning at the News Tribune
about her. Because no one's talking about her. She was
the founder and is the chief executive of something called
c K twelve. It's a foundation, a nonprofit, not for profit,
I should specify organization that has been founded to make

(31:44):
K through twelve education more affordable and more accessible for
everyone across the world.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
She founded this about.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
Eighteen years ago, twenty years ago now, and they claim
to have taught three hundred and seventeen million people across
the world for free with AI software, using textbooks that
they can provide online to people anywhere, converted into ninety
different languages. And it's been her passion in life for

(32:14):
education and free education and access for all. And as
a not for profit, a lot of her time, effort
and moneys have gone to philanthropy. So she's really interesting
in a continuation of what has been going on in Seattle.
Jody Allen, of course, has been the team chair of
the Seahawk since their brother's death in twenty eighteen. Samantha Holloway,

(32:37):
the krack and owner, has started One Roop Sports and
Entertainment to own the Kraken, the Climate Plagerina and the
Seams will and she's already said, will position to bid
for the new return of the Sonics in the NBA,
and she just brought Melinda Gates, Melinda French Kates on
board on one sports Entertainment. So women owning sports teams

(32:59):
and the philanthropy legacy. Of course, Paul Island, the nine
point six billion dollars sale, all of that money is
going to charity. Wow, because that's what Paul Island stipulated
in his estate is will as a demand for selling
his assets. So it's quite interesting they make Neeru Cosla
the point, the primary controlling owner in the NFL specified

(33:21):
that to teams because there is a continuation there of
what's been going on in Seattle sports and ownership with women.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Greg Bellis with US our Seahawks insider talking about the
ownership change. I mean that really does need to be
repeated and expanded upon. Like all of that money, a
record setting number fifty nine percent higher than the other
biggest sale in NFL history, and all going to charity.

(33:48):
I mean, who's going to be overseeing that? I mean,
are we going to get like a detailed breakdown in
the future of who gets what? Because my goodness, ten
billion dollars and I mean one hundred dollars do you
feel like you've given to something. Ten billion dollars should
go a long way, right, Greg.

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Well, yes, and I can think of zillions of things
in our country. I wish ten billion dollars would go
to education, homelessness, mental health crisis, drug abuse, on and on.
But there is such a worldwide array and vast array
of interest that Paul Allen had that he's got all

(34:28):
kinds of philanthropic interest that he will have dictated. I
haven't seen, obviously, the copy of the state of the
will to determine where this money goes. But it's not
like all nine point six billions going to one place.
He's got so many interests across the world. It will
be across many, many, many, many, many many spectrums.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Greg bell Our Sex Insider with us. So what do
the Kaslas know about football?

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Well, we don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
We don't know a lot.

Speaker 8 (34:58):
Frankly, we don't know what they will want to do
with the team. We won't know what they will want
to change and not change. We will want to know
what they want to do with the stadium. What we
do know is that there are no indications from the league,
from anyone in this process, from anyone anywhere that they're
gonna Seahaws are gonna be anywhere, but in Seattle. It's
where the league wants the team to be as its
anchor in the Pacific Northwest. It's been hugely successful ever

(35:21):
since the nord Stroums bottom to bring them into the
league in nineteen seventy four. What we do know is
that van od Prosla and their son Neil have been
attending forty nine Ers games for twenty five years. Has
said that back when Neil was five years old, they
bought season tickets to the forty nine Ers and they've

(35:42):
been going ever since. And that's the reason. In twenty
twenty five, in the spring they bought a three point
one percent share in the forty nine Ers. It turns
out that that's purchase that shittn't alarm Seahawks fans. They
have to divest to that and they're not going to
be forty nine Ers owners owning the Seahawks. Rules say
they got to sell that share.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
At least he's got effectively new to move on to
a better organization.

Speaker 8 (36:08):
Well, if if you're going from three percent interest to
controlling interest, you should probably Yeah, I'd be pretty sure
about that.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
For the cost of nine point six billion.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
But what that in effect, what that three point one
percent stake by in the forty nine ers did, is
it familiarized the cause was with the process of NFL ownership.
More importantly, it familiarized the NFL and their owners with
the causeless because they had to approve them even as
a minority owner. All owners have to sale of any

(36:37):
portion of any team has to be approved by the other.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Thirty one owners.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
So Commissioner Roger Goodell and all the team owners know
these people, and this wasn't a bit out of left
field of people that they had not already vetted and
approved just a year and a half earlier. So that
went a long way toward giving this group a head
start over the one that they beat out. Obviously, we
don't know Chuck. We don't know what they're gonna do

(37:03):
at all. Nobody working for the Seahawks do unless they've
talked to him personally, and I don't know that they have.
It would be absolutely malpractice for any new owner of
any ILK from anywhere, with any experience with anybody to
come in and change.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
The football operations.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Obviously, John Schneider has sixteen years the most successful run. Ever,
the only two Super Bowl titles the Seahawks have had.
He's the fourth longest tenured general manager in the league,
third if you don't count Jerry Jones, the owner as
the GM of the Cowboys. There's no reason to change
with John Snyder's been doing. Snyder and Jody Allen's choice

(37:38):
to hire Mike McDonald as the first time he had
coach two years ago obviously was a master stroke. Winning
the Super Bowl as a first time head coach last year.
Nothing football wise should change. But having said that, everything
else is on the board to change. The business operation, marketing, sales,

(37:58):
community relations. Is there anything that doesn't have to do
with between the lines I would think is up for
review and change. Because these billionaires don't make billions of
dollars just doing it better themselves. They have trusted people
that worked with them and all the entrepreneurial endeavors that
they've had, and they will undoubtedly bring many of those
people with them to Seattle. It is noticeable that they

(38:22):
are only the second of the four ownership groups over
the fifty four fifty with a fifty two years that
the Seahawks have existed, they're only the second one that's
not from here, and they norcht Thems. Of course, the
original owners sold the Ken Bearing and Bearing is a
southern California real estate developer for nine years threatened to

(38:43):
move the team to southern California. That's why Paul Island
Bottom and the Seahawks have enjoyed a unusually stable, local
based ownership group with the Island family for the last
thirty years. So that's not the Norman professional sports and
it is not unusual at all for teams to be
owned by owners from out of town, and for the
first time in thirty years, the Seahawks are in that situation.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, what a unique situation. I think of my old
professor in college, John Regnew, when I said something was
very unique, he goes, that's impossible. It's either unique or
it's not. There's no degree of uniqueness. And so I've
always remembered that now this is truly unique. You're never
going to see a sale like this again. You're never
going to see all the money handed over to charity.

(39:26):
You're never going to see a relationship passing of the
torch from brother to sister to sail And now we
try to get to know an ownership group that has
never truly owned a professional franchise before. So, I mean,
sports fans have a tendency to worry anyway, and then

(39:48):
you're coming off a Super Bowl. The last thing you
want is the boat rocked. After coming off of Super
Bowl things are going really well. So what, if anything,
do you think a Mariner should be. A Seahawks fan
should be justifiably worried.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
About a Mariner. Fans should be worried about a lot, but.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
A Seahawks fan should be worried about the fact because
they aren't from here. They just don't have an innate
sense for the Pacific Northwest sports fan, for the legacy
and history of the team. That's why I thought the
choice of words of an old Cosla had in his
statement on Saturday was interesting. He said, we are thrilled
I'm paraphrasing we're thrilled and excited to carry forth the

(40:31):
legacy of the Allen family's ownership of the Seahawks. He
gets the concern, he gets that they're not from here,
and he gets people who are gonna say, wait a minute,
they're not from here.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
He wants the.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
First words to be that we appreciate and continue, we
expect to continue the legacy of the Allen ownership group.
That's a tall order. Paul Allen kept the Seahawks here,
kept them from moving. They got him the new stadium,
they brought he Paul Allen dispatched Todd Laywicki to Los
Angeles to get Pete Carol out of USC to change

(41:02):
the fortunes of the middling franchise that had been the Seahawks,
the eight and eight, nine and seven, seven and nine.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Seahawks for decades. Paul Allen did that.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Paul Allen made the Seahawks what we know the Seahawks
be today, super Bowl champions, perennial playoff contenders that pack
a stadium that shakes and rocks and beast quakes. Paul
Allen did all of that. And so nobody's going to
be an owner like Paul Allen ever, especially ones that
are from the Bay Area. So let's just state that

(41:32):
off the top.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
But if you're a.

Speaker 8 (41:33):
Seahawks fan, you have to be encouraged about the unprecedentedness
of this. No Super Bowl champion has ever been sold
in the months after winning it all, so that even
more underlines the fact that you don't mess with the
football operation. Most professional sports franchises are sold in some
state of transition or devalue. I hate to even bring

(41:55):
it up, but think Sonics, Think, think any franchise, even
the Lakers that just sold for ten billion, the record
they owned the second They're the only richer deal than
the Seahawks deal in North American sports history. Even the
Lakers if Lebron James coming in and Kobe Bryant passing
away and the former championships and not been able to

(42:16):
replicate it since. And they even they are in something
of a transition period from what their legacy used to be.
This is the height of the Seahawks. This is it,
This is their peak. That you don't see franchises sold
like this in this situation, especially not mere months after they.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Won it all.

Speaker 8 (42:35):
I think that should be a sav and soothing to
Seahawks fans concerns that the Navy is good. They haven't
owned the professional sports franchise and they can leave the
football side alone.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, And I do want to give you the opportunity
to sort of address it, because you thought and correct
me if I'm wrong, kind of all along that some
sort of secret local guy was there in the weeds
and would ended up owning this franchise that didn't happen.
Why did that not ever?

Speaker 8 (43:05):
No, and there was that And I don't know since Saturday,
or even in the day's leading the Saturday, whether that
person was outdid or didn't get interested. But it was
obviously the two multiple bidders against each other drove the
price up, and that was what Jody Allen and Burke

(43:25):
Cold were seeking before the maximum value for the philanthropic
interest of Paul Allen. I don't know how far down
that there was. It was an area was the possibility
it did materialize, and I don't know if that's because
the person was outbid or just the price got higher
than they wanted to do. It also bears repeating that

(43:47):
the cause was the three that.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
We know of.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
The husband, the wife, and the Sun aren't going to
be the only owners. The NFL statement and memos of
the teams made clear that there will be other limited partners.
The NFL rules say.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
That can be up to twenty.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Four limited partners for a total of twenty five owners.
A controlling owner plus twenty four limited partners. I'm not
saying there's gonna be twenty two in the NFL saying
that there will be a few limited partners, several is
what the term was in the memo, suggests it won't
be twenty two. But there is the possibility that some
of the minority owners have ownership experience in professional sports.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
We don't know that.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
Yet either, I guess I should say. Overall to this
conversation is we don't know. Yeah, we have two, we
have owners coming in that they're from out of town
who have never owned a professional sports franchise before, and
there are a lot we don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
No doubt. All Right, So what are you gonna talk
about today at ten o'clock?

Speaker 8 (44:42):
Well, this, and I'm going to explain quite a bit
about how I find it interesting that COSLA's wife is
the controlling partner here and the continuity in the Seattle
ownership and women and philanthropy. Just I explained to you,
we'll talk about that, we'll talk to them about the
see the Mariner in there. I'll start a break as well.
And I don't know, Chuck, I guess they also break

(45:05):
comes at a good time this year. Sometimes they don't
come at a good time, but it seems like you keep
it a good time.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, Yeah, I think maybe not for all, but yeah,
all right, well well listen at ten. Thanks man, We
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
All right, Happy Monday, all right.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider, also right here on KHAR
from ten to noon every day, so we'll have more
on this story coming up. If you want to follow
him on x at gmail Seattle or Thenewstribune dot com.
He's got all sorts of articles up right now discussing
the ownership change for the Seattle Seahawks, and we will
as a show discuss the node KOSHLA next Sports Radio

(45:42):
ninety three point three kh A r f M. My
name is Chuck Powell. Ashley Ryan with you as well,
not just here on the radio station but also YouTube
where you're watching us every day and judging me on
my brand new goatee. But I do realize that it
was a little fuller up. It was a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
I noticed that, and I noticed you also went with
a black shirt. Ryan, Heally would be very proud.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I did go with the black shirt. Yeah, probably a
little too warm for later today, But then again, we
get up at ridiculous hours.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Yeah in the icebox.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, so good to have you with us here this morning.
And I got two big topics. We got a change
in Seahawk's ownership, which we discussed for nearly the entire
seven o'clock hour. And I also went way out on
a limb, maybe not so far out on a limb
this morning, and I did make the statement that I
think it's time for a managerial change with our baseball team,
which we will discuss in greater detail a little bit

(46:35):
later on this hour. But today also marks the day
of our Huskies one series. You know what we do
in June, every single day throughout the month, one analyst
breaking down one key Shawk player for one entire interview. Well,
we spend a week in July getting you ready for
a Huskies training camp as well, one of our analysts
in town breaking down one unit of the Huskies roster

(46:58):
for one entire interview. And we get that started right
now with our friend from dog Man, Scott Eckland, now
joins this year on Chuck and Buck in the morning.
Can you believe it? Football is almost here? Mister Eckland.
I know that now because I'm talking to you.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I know, guys. It's great to be on and
excited to start talking some Husky football right after fourth
of July, the blood starts flowing just a little bit differently.
It's you can tell that we're getting close.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I usually think about it when I buy my first
college football magazine, which I know sounds old school. You
just use the old internet, right, But I still buy
a college football magazine every year, and I have yet
to do that. So maybe i'll go get that done
near tonight.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I was that same person, Chuck, just like you. You
and I are. I think I'm a little older, but
not much older than you. So you and I come
from that generation where we still had to read newspapers
and got black ink on our on our fingers and
everything like that. But yeah, and actually it's funny this
year I am the same way. I usually buy a

(48:04):
magazine and haven't done so yet.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, well maybe today, And maybe it's an excuse to
go over to my local Barns and Noble. All right, Well,
great to have you with us. Good to hear your voice.
It does mean football's almost here, and I'm looking forward
to this breakdown here today. Scott has chosen the front
seven to discuss for the upcoming Huskies season, and I

(48:26):
think we got to discuss first Scott those that have left,
and I think of two names in particular, Zach Durfy, who,
I hate to say it never did quite live up
to the lofty expectations that we set for him here
as a football community. And then Antarotario Thompson, who maybe
just the opposite, just consistently grinded and was just good

(48:51):
and maybe went overlooked during his time as a Washington Husky.
They're both in the National Football League right now. How
difficult is it going to be for Jed Fish and
his staff to replace these two guys.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Well, the one thing that you really have to look
at is the fact that those are two leaders for you,
no question. But Washington returns a couple of experienced guys,
one at edge and one along the interior that are
definitely gonna help the help them. They brought in a
couple of nice transfers, nice guys that they can add

(49:28):
to the depth along the defensive line. But they have
some ridiculously talented younger guys that are gonna be impactful,
not just this year, but in the in the future
going forward, namely Derek Coleman. Bruce is the top in
state recruit from the state of Washington for the twenty

(49:49):
twenty six recruiting class was six five to seventy when
he wrapped up his high school career. Wow, and is
already up right around three hundred pounds since he arrived
in January. So he is going to be an absolute beast.
But you got to remember, these kids are freshmen. They're
gonna make mistakes, They're going to do things that kind

(50:11):
of give Jason Kafusi and Ryan Walter some gray hairs
more than they already have. But you know, these are
these are very talented guys that the Huskies are really, really,
really excited to have. What I'm really looking forward to
is the person that they they have replacing Tony caster Cone,

(50:31):
that person pronouncing t i umu case, which is too
fa ion atana umu case. It's gonna be real interesting
to hear him his name be announced. But no, a
lot of a lot of talent coming back. Lennius Davis
up front as well Jacob Laine, Devin Hide. These are

(50:52):
going to be two guys that make some impacts on
the outside. And then you got your linebackers. You know
who these guys are specially, I think they're one of
the top ten units in the entire country. You know,
some of the national pundits don't put them there. But
I think a lot of people are sleeping on what
Washington has going going on at the linebacker spot.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I'll expand on that. Why do you say that, what
is it about the group or the individuals that you
are so high on?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, you know, you know, except for maybe a select
few schools in this country, guys like ex Ray Alexander, Xadrias,
Rainy Silay, Jacob Manu, those guys could all be starting
at other schools in this country, and you're only going
to be playing two at a time, so one of
those guys is not going to be starting. The other

(51:43):
good thing is they're versatile. Jacob Manu is almost strictly
an off ball linebacker, but Zadrius, Rainy Slay and x
Ray Alexander both have the ability to slide down and
maybe play an outside edge and technique and nine technique
guys who can rush the quarterback from those wide angles

(52:05):
that that can really make a difference. And so I
think Ryan Walters really loves versatilities that those guys bring
to the table. Jacob Manu and one thing that Jedfish
has said over and over when he's healthy, and he
got he got healthy late in uh In in like
late September, and he he only played four games last

(52:26):
year because they hadn't instituted the five five five for
five rule yet, so he only plays four games last year,
but every game that he played, he made a huge
impact in He's a guy that Jedfish said every time
he's on the field, he has a problem for the
offense and he's a guy that we could, we we
should have on that on that on that field, and

(52:49):
so he's kind of your your director. But he's only
like five to nine five ten, so that's really gonna
be That's why he's kind of restricted to playing just
in that middle linebacker spot. But Alexander is roughly six
two sixty three and Xadrius rainy Lay is almost sixty four,
So those guys can play outside, and that's why their

(53:09):
versatility is going to allow them to come from different
angles and let Ryan Walters do a lot of different
things up front.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Scott Eckland is with us from dog Man joins us
every year for our Huskies one series, one analyst in
town breaking down one unit on the Huskies for one
entire interview, and we are starting today with our one
series by discussing the Front seven. By the way, just
as a side note, I don't think anyone ever in

(53:35):
the history of broadcasting was better than Castor Cone at
pronouncing names. He is amazing. Yeah, he's amazing. He never misses.
I asked him about it one time and he looked
at me like, it's not that hard, Like, no, no,
it's just not hard for you, Bud, some of these,
you know.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I still think, and you know this is you know,
I kind of put myself on the line here because
it's a cold trial thing. But you know, when the
when the Polynesian community became so prevalent in football over
the last I don't know what two decades, you know,
where we've seen more and more Islander people with Islander

(54:14):
backgrounds coming into things. The play by play men and
and the analysts having to pronounce these names has been
has been very challenging for them. So I put kudos
on anybody who can pronounce all these names correctly and
keep them straight.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, Castor Cone was special. All right, Scott Eckland with
us here on the chalgging back. All right, let's talk
about Coleman Bruce, So we haven't spent enough time on him,
because man, he has been creating a buzz. Maybe more so,
might I argue here Cody Green. It seems like are
the two guys both freshmen that we're creating the most
buzz during springball. So tell Husky fans what we're getting

(54:56):
in Derek Coleman brus and how quickly he could impact
make a major impact on this football team.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Well, so just so people know, he's he was running
with the first unit for almost the entirety of spring football.
So the fact that he's a freshman is not going
to play into anything. That kid is gonna play, and
he's gonna play a lot this year. Do I think
he's going to be necessarily the starter coming out Matt Probably,
But I think he's gonna get a challenge from Darren Conley,

(55:28):
who is a really good defensive lineman that came in
the transfer port from a from a group of five
school out there in the mac and you know he's
but he's gonna those two are going to battle for
for playing time in reps. Next to Olenius Davis, but
he just gives you a lot of a lot of
versatility I mean at six five, three hundred pounds, he

(55:49):
can still be a stand up guy who plays on
the edge, although he's probably gonna be better a better
fit along along the front as a three technique, that
guy who's just on the outside shoulder or I'm sorry,
inside shoulder of the of the guard in between the
center and guard. Uh, gonna be able to pass rush
the quarterback. But also has that bulk and that size

(56:12):
and that quickness that can make things really hard in
their run blocking schemes. He can blow up a lot
of plays up front. So he was, you know, the
the offensive line, which for Washington has kind of started
to become a strength for them. The interior guys that
he faced off with every day in practice said he's
gonna be a problem. He's already gotten better against us

(56:33):
in the fifteen practices that we had, and he's only
going to get better as he gets more experience. Obviously,
faul Camp, he's gonna get a lot of experience playing
against Washington's offensive line this year, and then he's got
three games to warm up against in the in the
you know, the preseason, I guess is what you call
it the out of conference schedule before he hits. He

(56:55):
hits the ground running against Minnesota that last week of
September and the to start making ten plays. So he's
got a lot of time to get some experience and
get a lot of coach a really good coaching from
Jason Cafusi as well as Ryan Walters and what they
want him to do. But yeah, special kids, special player
comes from a great family. His brother Loewen is a

(57:16):
recher Well, I guess they don't call him recherd freshman
anymore because they get five years down. But is a
is a second year player along the offensive line. He's
not going to figure in the depth this year, but
probably next year. But you know, they come from a
great family. They're they're hard workers, They're they're you know,
I hate to he use the cliche lunch pail guys,
but they really are. Considering how talented both of those

(57:38):
guys are, but especially Derek, he just he brings his
lunch play to work every day. He's very engaging. He
doesn't have that superstar mentality. He's got the mentality of hey,
I'm a freshman. I need to come in and work
and work harder than everybody else because I want this
and I want to play as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Well, you brought up Alukese and uh a little prising
to me. I mean, I just randomly brought up a
depth chart. I don't know how accurate it is, but
it has him in on the fourth string at this
on this particular depth chart. So how how much are
we talking about him pressing for playing time a rotational piece?

(58:17):
Is he somebody that might be starting at the end
of the year. Is he gonna star? I mean, tell
me a little bit more about him.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, so he's he's a guy who isn't isn't You're
probably not gonna see a lot of him early on.
I think he's gonna have to work his way into things,
probably because they're very loaded at that nose tackle spot.
And and you know, Deshaun Wats was a great pickup
from Sacramento State. He just is about five to eleven,

(58:45):
three hundred and I don't know, three hundred and ten
pounds whatever he is, but he's he's a guy who
really surprised in camp and is is just a fire
plug and and a energizer bunny inside. So he's gonna
be He's gonna back up, Uh, Alineus Davis you're also
gonna see Darren Conley in there. We already kind of
talked about him.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
They're gonna kind.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Of work through a rotation, so we probably won't see
a ton of him early on, but I think as
the season goes along, we'll see a lot more of him.
He's a he's a depth piece, of rotational piece right now.
But in you know, Elineus Davis has I'm trying to
remember off the top of my head, but I think
he's got two more years this coming year, in the
following year with the fifth year, and I think that

(59:30):
Umu case could be really I'm pressuring him for playing
time and possibly even a starting spot, not this year
but probably but possibly next year, and he'll be a
very key rotational piece for Washington just this year and
next year and heading into the future.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Are we going to get rid of the freshman sophomore, junior,
senior and just call him?

Speaker 8 (59:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I have no idea how we're gonna do it. I
think we're just gonna call end up calling him first
and second your players now, you know, like they do
in the NFL, because you can't call him cherd freshman anymore,
so you you could call him you can call him freshman, sophomore, junior, senior,
super senior or something high want to call him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, yeah, Well, well we haven't invented a new term
for a while. Maybe it's time to do that. Scott
Ecklin is with us our Huskies won series talking about
the Dogs front seven. All right, who's going to get
after the quarterback? I mean, we've we've launched some praise
toward the linebacker group. Uh, and we've got a lot
of interesting interior defensive lineman. It sounds like, but who's

(01:00:38):
going to sack opposing quarterbacks this year? Scott?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Well, so Jacob Blaine is going to be one of
your your outside guys for sure as a starter.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
He is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
He's a guy from Emerald Ridge down there in Puyallup.
He started from the moment that he got here. He
is a fourth year player, so he's a guy who'd
never read shirted and he will. So he will have
this year and next year. That's a huge bonus for
Washington if he ends up deciding to stay. He and
I talked a little bit this offseason when I ran

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into him at something at an event, and he basically said,
you know, I'm hearing you know, fifth round right now,
because of my ability to stop the run. If I
can show some pass rush, maybe I could bounce up
a little bit. But you know, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
You know, he might just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Decide, hey, I'm not going to boost my stock anymore
and head head to the NFL. But he will have
that fifth year available to him if he decides he
wants to stay. But that being said, this year, talking
about this year, he's going to be one of your leaders.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
Up front.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You've got Devin Hyde. I already kind of talked about him.
He and a guy by the name of Russell Davis
Will will be battling for reps as the starting other
edge on the other side of Jacob Laine. And you
also have Isaiah Ward and Davis and Ward when they
are healthy, and that's the key word with them healthy.

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When they are healthy, they are special pass rushers and
he could actually get after the quarterback. And I don't
know if they have double digit sack abilities because of
their I don't want to call them liable, you know,
liabilities against the run, but they're definitely not able to
anchor as much they're they're in the two hundred and
thirty five to two hundred and forty pound range. But
those are guys who can do a lot of damage

(01:02:17):
for you on the outside as a pass rusher, So
the key will be keeping them healthy. Russell Davis didn't
played down for the Huskies last year because of his
because of a leg injury that he suffered. And Isaiah
Ward was a spot player here and there did did
some things for the Huskies last year, but really didn't
make much of an impact as a pass rusher that

(01:02:37):
you'd like to see. But both of those guys have
natural pass rushing ability, and I think that's who that's
kind of top four. As long as Davis, as long
as all four of them are healthy, they are going
to be the top four guys you know, thrown at offenses.
But then you're gonna sprinkling guys like JD. Hill, who

(01:02:58):
is a true freshman out of Mission Viejo. If he
was if he was two or three inches taller, we're
talking about a possible five star guy. His productivity was
off the charts, but he's about six to two and
so a lot of people think he's gonna move inside,
but he's gonna start out outside for the Huskies. Uh,
you got David Schwarzel, who's a freshman from Odey High School.

(01:03:20):
You got Tom Malu who's a freshman from Charles Wright
who's only played two years of football. He's been he's
his only two years of football were the two years
of Charles Wright has played football. So but he was
an MMA guy. He was planning on an MMA career
but got a little too big and so he ended
up deciding to play football and loved it, and so

(01:03:43):
he'll be at Washington as well. So that's kind of
the group out there along the defensive line. I'm also
forgetting about Logan and I'm drawing a blank on his
last time. I don't have the the roster up in
front of me, but Logan, let's see Logan George. Yeah,
I help want to say Clark Logan George, who was

(01:04:05):
a transfer from Ohio State. He actually went to Idaho State,
transferred to Ohio State and was injured for much last
year and wanted to get back out here to the
West Coast, and so he came back out. We didn't
see much of him because he was injured this spring,
but the coaches really like what he brings to the table.
He's not going to give you you know, double digit sacks,

(01:04:25):
but he could give you, you know, ten to fifteen
reps per game as an edge guy and just this smart, savvy,
veteran guy. He's a I think I believe he's twenty
three years old, so he's gonna be a guy's who
can be like a Jacob Laane, just that that leader
has played at a high level and done some really

(01:04:46):
exciting things, maybe at a lower level, but can really
help Washington with their with their depths at the edge spot.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
All right, what can we promote for you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Well, you know, we've got our previews starting later this
week are our position previews, so come on over for that,
you know, as we ramp up for fall camp. Fall
camp starts on the sixth of August and goes all
the way through late August before they hit game week
and then then they close everything down. Dog Man will

(01:05:18):
be covering everything for you. We're working through a commitment
from last weekend of one of the top corners in
the country Sincere Gaylord. He committed to Washington, So we're
analyzing those kind of things. We've got a lot for
you going on, even though it is the off season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yep, no doubt, always do all right man, thank you
very much. Always a pleasure. We will talk to you soon.
Football's almost here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Oh thanks guys. I look forward to it every year
and if you guys need anything, give me a shout.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Scott Eckland from dog Man joining us right here, and
of course, of course twenty four to seven Sports as well.
If you want to follow Scott, do so at Scott
e k l U n D. Dog Man does a
phenomenal job for Husky fans out there, and so we'll
do this once per day all week long here on
Chuck and Buck coming up next, though, I must admit it,

(01:06:07):
you know, we talked about it early, haven't talked about
it in a while, but it's the lead of the show.
It's not every day that I ask for a person's job.
We'll remind you that next Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. I kind of feel like that here today,
like I've made some big, bold decision you have this

(01:06:28):
morning as we cracked the mics on a very busy Monday.
By the way, I've seen enough. I think the Mariners
need a new manager, and so I've given my reasons.
But I asked earlier in the show for some feedback
that we would get to in this segment and in
the next about whether or not I'm wrong. I want
to hear defense frankly for Dan, whether on talkback or

(01:06:52):
at four nine four five one on the text line,
or on our YouTube channel. So I'm going to hand
it over to Ashley and to you. What do we got?

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
All Right, here's our first talk back.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
I don't believe Dan should keep his job, but he's
not going to get fired, and not because he doesn't
deserve it, because the Mariners do the Mariners thing always
and box themselves in. In two weeks, they have this
fiftieth celebration thing coming up that he's going to be
a big part of as part of that nineties championship
quote unquote team, So they can't fire him before it,

(01:07:25):
and they can't fire.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Him after it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
So best case scenario is they'll fire him in the
off season. And they're not going to do that either.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Why.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I think there's some actually grim truth today.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
I know that's what. Yeah, and he's not the only
one to bring that up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, Yeah, I think they're probably I mean, you're probably right.
Would they do it otherwise? I don't know, But I
guess when they put these master plans together, there was
the feeling that, man, we got our guy. Yeah, because
I know how much that they believed in their guy.
I was even talking about in the offseason. But we

(01:08:00):
should at least consider an upgrade at this But I
think the thing I'm most disappointed about is that I
haven't seen improvement from him as a manager. And I
also don't see his team playing as hard for him
as they did a year ago, which kind of suggests
that his soft ways of having everybody's back at all
times may be backfiring, maybe blowing up in his face.

(01:08:23):
Maybe now, can he get it going again? Yes? Absolutely,
he can win the World Series. They can keep him,
and they can still pull off all of their goals.
I mean, Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl for goodness sake,
so it can still happen. But what do we do
in baseball? What does he do every game? What does
Jerry do? We play the percentages? I think that there's
a better manager out there for this team.

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
Yeah, and yeah, I don't know if he's going to
stick around. He's got to make some changes. We'll go
to a text real quick from the four two five.
I'm not disagreeing on Dan, But the bigger issue is
Depoto father of the piggyback and bullpen rules.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Well number one, everybody has bullpen rules. Number two and
they're very similar, by the way, very similar. And then
number two. He admitted himself that the piggyback is different,
strange situation, unique situation, and they were experimenting with it.
I knew I was going to get some Jerry's the

(01:09:18):
problem response to this. By now you should know I
don't think that he is. I think the roster is fine.
And this is not me like defending Jerry. I don't
even know if I even have a good relationship with
the Mariners anymore. It might be bad. I'm not sure,
but I'm certainly just telling you how I see it.
I think the roster is fine. That's why I have

(01:09:39):
such a problem with the manager, because he's not getting
the most out of the roster. So if I'm going
to point fingers, I'm certainly not going to point it
at roster construction. I'm going to point it at the
manager getting the most out of the roster.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
This text, I feel like it needs to be read
following the last one in this conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
This is from the two six.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
The only real Mariner's solution is to do the piggyback manager.
Dan is the manager for the day until the fifth inning,
then anyone else can be hired for any six and beyond.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
I think that's a great solution. Let's do it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
Dan only gets to make decisions till inning five.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
There aren't hand There really aren't any decisions to make
in a baseball game anymore before inning number five, perfect
line up, starting pitcher, and then you kind of wait
till the fifth of start actually managing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:28):
And then you could be the manager six, seven, eight, ninth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I'll take it. I'll take I'll take the job, piggyback
form or otherwise. All right, we'll continue with this. I
know we got some more talkbacks to get to, and
I know we got a lot of texts and a
lot of YouTube, but feedback on this. I do want
to talk about the home run derby, because I think
everybody needs to be made aware of the format changes.

(01:10:53):
But maybe I'll save that for one last thing. Coming
up next will continue our conversation about whether or not
Dan Wilson should remain the Mariners manager. On Sports Radio
ninety three point three KHARFM. All right, Chucking Ashley with

(01:11:18):
you here on this Monday morning. It's turned into a
rather eventful one for us here this morning. Yeah, in
our seven o'clock hour we talked about our brand new
ownership group here with the football team. We started our
Huskies one series. We got World Cup Final four starting tomorrow.
We got home run Derby tonight, we got All Star
Game tomorrow. But I just dropped in on this show.

(01:11:42):
I've had enough. I've had enough after Saturday. I don't
think Dan Wilson's the right man to manage this team
and manage the big expectations that go with this team.
I am expecting this team to end up in the
World Series still at this point, and maybe we don't
have the right manager for the job. So I have

(01:12:04):
said it today officially that I think we should make
a change at that position, and I've left it to you,
the listening audience, to weigh in several different ways to
do so. Talkback. We've got a couple of talkbacks, certainly
from our website. We've got YouTube, so we've got some
people communicating via YouTube. We've still got the old text
line at four nine four five one, and I say

(01:12:27):
you know, we can just use old school radio phone
lines as well two O six two eight six ninety
five ninety five if you want to weigh in as well.
I have been asking for people to defend him because
I want to make sure that that avenue has opened
up to have this conversation, an adult conversation about this.
This isn't about nanny nanny boo boo, or this isn't

(01:12:49):
about h You know, we have to fire somebody after
every single loss. That's not the kind of host that
I am. I take this very seriously when I when
I make these sort of declarations on my radio show,
and so today I'm making it, and I want feedback,
and I'd really like to hear from people that don't

(01:13:09):
want him to go. I really would, And there are
various ways to do that. But there you go. Anyway
you want to communicate with us this morning, I guess
there are a thousand ways right now. You can even
apply a drone over and drop a card to me.
Here you go, All right, what do you got back there?

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
All right, we're going to go back to the talk back.

Speaker 10 (01:13:25):
Okay, Dan Wilson should stay the Seattle Mariners manager for
one reason and one reason. Only our ownership cares about profit,
and that's it. They will keep him in his position
because they can use him like a puppet and as
long as they keep making money, they don't care about
anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
H Well, that's not a great reason for keep You're
saying they will keep it. It doesn't matter how much
we complain about it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Well, I know it would be really hard for them.
I know it would be really hard for them to
move on because they do really treasure him as a Mariner. Yes,
but that's kind of the risk that you run when
you do hire a former player who's beloved in the
eyes of not just the fan base, but within your organization.

(01:14:16):
And then all of a sudden, you're two years into
the project and you're like, is any good? Is any
good at this? Right? I mean, we felt we had
a World Series team put together this year, and we're
a game under five hundred right now. And like I said,
I gave him a C minus a year ago, and
that's making the playoffs and making it by a large margin.

(01:14:39):
I wasn't that impressed with Dan Wilson the manager a
year ago, so you can imagine where I am here today.
But yeah, I think there might be some truth to that.
I don't want to just one hundred percent endorse that
sentiment that ownership doesn't care enough about winning. I do
believe they care about winning. I think they do go

(01:15:00):
about it in a different way than you would prefer
that they do, because most fans just want their team
to spend money, and spend money and spend money. I've
never defended that argument that some Mariner fans have. I
think that they've done a fine job of putting together
a sustainably good, winning product, and I think in the

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last year and a half they've made moves, including Lasher's
trading deadline, that are championship caliber moves. And I think
this off season was a good off season that puts
this team in position to win it all this year.
But do you have the manager that presses the right buttons,
pulls the right strings that I'm not sure?

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
Two six says they can't fire him, but they can
move him into a different role within the organization, couldn't they.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
I don't know if he'd accept that. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if he would like that. I think
they could try, certainly, But no, I think there was
a lot that went into hiring him in the first place.
You know, I mean think about Scott's service was fired
in August. I think it was August twenty second. I

(01:16:12):
remember when Scott's service was fired. So think about how
long into that season and then when they made the
change we did start playing better and almost track the
thing down. Didn't have enough time. Number one, there's a good,
good example of don't wait too long, especially with this team.

(01:16:35):
This team's much better than that team was in twenty
twenty four, and so number one, don't wait too long
to make that move, give yourself time to get things together.
And then number two, obviously they do take it very seriously.
You know we are we're committed to Scott's service and

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that at some point the writing was on the wall.
I think maybe the riding has just gotten on the
wall sooner than any of them expected to be here.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Let's go back to
the Talkbackay, you guys.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
Asked what Dan Wilson does well, and the answer is
he might give excellent foot rubs to Jerry Depoto. Maybe
he makes an excellent charcootery board with some spicy hand
and some good cheese selections. Maybe Dan is an excellent
wine pairing with the cheese. But he's not good at

(01:17:33):
managing baseball. He's not good at managing the locker room.
He's not good at anything baseball wise.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Wow, I won't go that far.

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
No, but I did like that. Maybe he's really good
at charcooterie boards. You know, that's a great talent.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Let's not undersell that. That's a really important thing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
When you bring a charcootery board to a party, everyone
goes flocks towards it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Oh, and it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I just saw one yesterday as I was walking by,
and I had swore I wasn't gonna drink yesterday, and
I almost turned around and just started eating off the
guy's board. So let's not let's not underestimate a good.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Shot that saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Here is what I have said about Dan in the past,
and these are things that we aren't privy to. I
think that Dan Wilson really does have the respect of
the players on the team Scott by the end, and
really for the last few years he had a little

(01:18:31):
bit of a divided locker room. I mean, he had
his guys that he loved, Gino and Robbie Ray, And
I mean he had his select group of guys that
he loved, and then there were a bunch of guys
in the middle, and then there were some guys he
didn't like very much and they didn't like him. I
think almost everybody on this team likes Dan Wilson. And

(01:18:53):
as I've said numerous times in the past, like I said,
managers manage personalities, and Dan wins a lot of credit
with the players by his horrible press conferences. He's never ever,
ever addressing anything critical about his own team. He always

(01:19:13):
has his players backs, and I would imagine that's the
way Dan wanted to be treated when he was a player,
and he's never forgotten that. And so there is an
element to Hey, when your players love you, that can
go a long way when they believe, man, we really
got a manager who has our backs and Dan Wilson.

(01:19:35):
But has it slid too far the other way? Are
they now taking him for granted? There are way too
many episodes of a lack of focus sometimes it looks
like lack of effort that have occurred. And certainly, and
this is indisputable, we're not playing as well as our
talent suggests that we should be playing, which is the
ultimate judge of a manager. He's not getting the most

(01:19:58):
out of his talent, there is no question about that.
And so you do wonder if maybe that softness has
caught up to him, because I do think players need
to get called out. I think human beings need to
need to get talk show hosts need to get called out.
And sometimes when you get called out and you know, yep,

(01:20:20):
I'm guilty of that. You got me, you will change
the pattern of behavior that we can't we have no
knowledge of. None of us can say it because we're
not behind the scenes. Maybe there are several meetings, maybe
he does call them out behind the scenes, but it
doesn't feel like his team plays all out for him.

(01:20:44):
And if you're going to have that approach, if I'm
gonna point that out as one of the attributes to
you as a baseball man and a baseball manager, then
by god, if you're going to approach it that way,
you better get maximum effort. They better ball out for you.
And I don't I think we can all agree that's
not happened. No, I would in the first half of

(01:21:05):
the season, and it has been particularly noticeable in the
last month. Has it not.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
Actually, absolutely yes, it has.

Speaker 7 (01:21:12):
And I think you bringing up the point about what
happened in Tampa on Saturday and them all sitting there
staring out like they've just lost, like their season had
just ended, says a lot because clearly they the team themselves,
the players themselves, they know they're not performing.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
They know that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
I mean, yeah, Dan is not the one on the
field that is hitting and pitching and making defensive plays.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
We know that. The players know they're not performing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
But it seems odd to me that at this point
in the season they're looking so forlorn and lost and
like they don't have any direction.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Something happened after that. Yeah, there's no way that something
didn't happen after that game. And I don't know if
it was player led, manager led, coaches led, owner led,
maybe the owner, but you're right, it was a group,
and Cal is the one that stands out the most
that were looking forlorn. And look, Cal's wearing a lot
of this. Cal has to wear a lot of weight

(01:22:10):
for this team's disappointing first half. He was our best
player by one thousand miles a year ago, and he's
been bad this year. I mean, there's really no other
way around it. He's got a one sixty nine batting
average at the All Star break with fewer than ten
home runs this season. Now, he's been very good defensively,

(01:22:30):
that's for sure, and the pitchers swear by him and
love him, and he's still a leader. But you could
see it in his face. I mean, he wore that
loss as heavy as any regular season loss he's ever suffered.
So something happened afterwards. Something I don't know if it's
a closed door meeting. I don't even know if those
things work or not. But some sort of we got

(01:22:52):
to wake up moment occurred Saturday. I don't have any
doubt about it. Problem is you win on Sunday and
now you have five days to think about it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:00):
M hm yeah, I mean, yeah, nice to end the
season on a positive note with a win, but you
can't that one win doesn't erase the five losses in
six games.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah, so there's dissatisfaction, as there should be, and the
entire roster. Now, whether or not they're pointing the fingers
that Dan, that's probably not the case. I hope the
players are pointing the fingers at themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
I would hope so too, And I think that a
lot of them.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
I mean, I think that's why Cal stood out to
you in that moment, because he there's no way. Cal's like, oh,
I know, my defense is enough.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
I'm doing great, right.

Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
I mean, we know how competitive he is and how
driven he is, and how much he wants to perform
for his teammates, for the organization, for the city, for
the fans. I mean, he wants that more than anyone
on that team.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
But we are about one hundred games into this thing.
It is no longer a short sample size. Fortunately, the
rest of the American League has cooperated. The American League
West is cooperated, and there's no big giant hill to climb.
I mean, you got sixty plus game, sixty five plus
games to go and a game and a half deficit
to overcome. If the season ended today, we're a wildcard teams.

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If the season ended today, we're still in the playoffs.
That's that's how much the American League has cooperated for
the Mariners this year. But obviously we think this is
a much better team. They cannot get on any extended
kind of role. Just when you think they're in a groove,
they'll show up the next day and then start playing

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the worst baseball that you could imagine them playing, and
then that spans an entire road trip like it did
in Florida. And again, yes, it's on the players. We're
not playing well. It's on the players, But it is
the manager's job to maximize the talent on his team.

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And if the team looks lackluster for over a month,
then there's something wrong with the leadership that they're being given.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Yeah, I would agree absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:24:55):
From the four to two five they said, I really
wanted Dan to work, but it's become very obvious that
he needs to go. The team has been broken all season.
I'm sick of seeing lifeless games, dumb errors, little league mistakes.
The fact that they're under five hundred at the All
Star break is completely unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
You know. And I will say this too, And I
think this is where thing. When a team's failing and
not playing well, it automatically looks like they don't have
any energy. I mean, when you're not excited or excitable, right,
it automatically looks like you're you don't care. Yeah, and
it probably is that you care a little bit too

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much and you're almost depressed by how poorly you're playing
individually and how you're wanting somebody else to pick you
up and then they're incapable of doing it. So I
do believe that some of that that a lot of
people are pointing out about, like they don't even try hard,
they don't play, or they don't care. That couldn't be
further from the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
They care, they want, they have desire, they want to win.
They want to win for you, they want to win
for each other. They've gotten close. There's no way they
want to backslide from where they were at the end
of last season. They do care, they do want this,
but they clearly have not gotten to the point where

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they're playing well collectively for stretches of time, and I
think that it has weighed on them. And so that's
to me, it's a lot less about do they care,
and it's a lot more about are they focused? And
I was asked about this from Dick and Hugh the

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other day, And if this is just one time Josh
Naylor bobbling a ball and not getting it to call
Emerson on time to turn the double play, and then
you don't think anything of it, right, But there is
a pattern of behavior with Josh. I mean, sometimes he
looks like he's more interested in looking cool than making
the right play. Obviously, Randy A. Rose Arena is obsessed

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with looking cool and not necessarily about making the right
play at the right time. And so we've had lackluster
decisions on the bass pads, we've had lackluster decisions in
the count we've had all. You know, it looks it

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looks like it's a bad effort. I don't think effort
is the problem, but I do think focus has been
the problem. And that guess us back to what the
conversation is about, and it's about Dan Wilson, and I
don't want to see my team not having focus. No,
my team better be ready to play. Not every day

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over one hundred and sixty two games six months. You're
gonna have a stinker or five, but not for five
straight games on the road. I would agree that's unacceptable.

Speaker 7 (01:27:48):
Yeah, from the five on nine, people are out of
their minds if they think the reason the Mariners are
performing the way they are performing is because of the manager.
These are professional athletes that can't put the ball in play,
that makes stupid but base errors and continually leave runners
stranded on base.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Well, I don't think they're out of their minds. I
don't think you're the only sane person listening right now.
I mean, I'm all for an argument, and I'm all
for somebody telling me it's on the players. Dan's fine,
that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. But I don't think that
anyone right now on this radio show, or anyone that's

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responded to us, because not by the way, ninety percent
of the people responding are in agreement with my take
this morning and with Ashley's take this morning. I don't
think that you can say that we are out of
our minds for feeling like the manager is not getting
the job done.

Speaker 6 (01:28:46):
We're not crazy for that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, I mean you could. You can perfectly have the
opinion Dan's fine, players just got to play better. I
can live with that. I can live with that. But
I also believe that this is a that is all
about trying to find out the angle that gives us
an advantage to win that pitch, to win that at bat,
to win that situation, to win that inning, to win

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that game, and to win that season, to win that series,
to win the season. And I have just gotten to
the point after watching this for two years from him
where I don't think he gives you that edge playing
the percentages. I don't think he's good enough at the

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few decisions a manager makes today, and then obviously the
motivation required to get the most out of your players.
Those are the three things, and I think he's failing
at all three of those things this season, and he
doesn't seem to be getting any better. I don't think
he gives you those edges. And that's why we've come
to this Monday morning here on KJR. This is why

(01:29:55):
I make my declaration. I've been thinking about it for
a while.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
Yeah, you didn't come about this lately.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
No. Last one though from the four two five, Well,
he did take us the furthest we've ever gone last year. Also,
you love Kevin Seitzer and Perry Hill so much, and
apparently they are the best of the best. Yet that's
where we're really struggling this year. So do you want
to get rid of them too or not?

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
No? No, I don't. No, I don't think Kevin sites
I don't think I've ever said he's the best of
the best. I do like him, I do like him
a lot, but I don't think I'm blowing up the
entire coaching staff. I said this, this is what I
would do. This, and this really is unfair to Danny

(01:30:37):
Farquhar and to Manny Acta, but I would get rid
of Wilson, Acta and Farquhar and I would replace them
with Alex Korra, Joey Korra, and Jason Veritek. They're all
available right now. They weren't earlier this year. They're all
off there given major league teams. That's what I would do. Yeah,

(01:30:57):
that's those are the changes that I would make. Alex
the manager, Joey's bench coach, and Jason Veritec to fill
that void that for the pitchers and for the catchers
that Dan fills.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
I don't think that's a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
That's that's my recipe. So I don't Again, I didn't
come across this just half assed here today. I gave
given this a lot of thought over the last few months.
All Right, thank you very much for the feedback. I
appreciate it. I don't know we solved anything, but at
least we had a good, nice conversation there about it.
Coming up next, I'm not done with the Mariners. I
just want to talk about things other than Dan ABC's

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Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
I'm excited to find out, are you yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Always? That's always good to hear. And we get started
at the beginning of the alphabet today and this is
this works out really well because A is for a
ros Arena the All Star He'll be the only Mariner.
Even with all these changes, we still ended up with
just one Mariner on the All Star roster. Maybe something
else about us, hell, maybe something else happens today. We'll see,

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But Randy, a Rose Arena will play in the game.
On Tuesday. We'll have no participate participant in the home
run derby here tonight. We sort of dominated the headlines
with the futures game. I'll say that on Saturday, and
it sounds like we had a good draft. Ex see
me Sunday. It sounds like we had a good draft
on Saturday as well. A lot of the analysts given

(01:32:23):
pretty good grades on that front. But let's talk about
a Rose Arena. From this standpoint, I realized that he
was the guy firing fan wanted to fire after Saturday's
lackluster effort, and it did look bad. It did look
really bad. Can I offer a little bit of defense
for him, and just a little bit, because, believe me,

(01:32:45):
if you've been listening to this show at any consistency
at all, you know how much he frustrates the hell
out of me as a player. Yes, I mean he
is about as frustrating a player to have on your
roster as you could have. We know how good he is,
but there are some decisions and there are moments where
it just does not look like he's invested in team

(01:33:06):
baseball whatsoever. So I've had a mountain of problems with him,
and I had a mountain and I had a problem
with what he did on Saturday, not giving any effort
down the line, and obviously the Rock did as well.
I will just say this, he's coming off a hamstring.
I can promise you he has been given the orders
by coaches and staff. Hey, win in doubt, let it go.

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We don't want you running into walls, we don't want
you sliding into stands, we don't want you to jumping.
Let's make sure that that heals first. As staff to
tell Lenny Dykster that, because he would just crash face
first into walls all the time, Like, hey, you've turned
into a really important player for us. We needed to
see a little less of that going forward. And so

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you tell Randy that, does anybody really think he's going
to understand how to play that problem properly? Do you
really think that he is on from pitch to pitch
gonna understand what he should go for and what he
shouldn't go for when somebody tells him, hey, let's just
not do anything crazy out there. Maybe have to let

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a ball go every once in a while. And I
bet you that was one of those, like, yeah, there's
a lot of obstacles over there, it looks tricky. I'm
just gonna let that one drop. I can's not gonna
be fair. It's not gonna be fair. It's going to
be a fair ball, and he's going to get a
double out of it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:29):
Right, And that is true. It's not a fair ball.
It would still but it would still be an out.
And I do think I would expect Randy to understand
what is something he should and shouldn't go after, but
he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give
you an example because last year with him stealing basis,
we had a catcher who was on pace to hit
sixty home runs, right, and he was running us out
of innings with Cal at the plate, and they told
him like, hey, we got Cal at the plate, Like
we can't be we can't be stealing. In that moment,
he's like talking about he didn't understand. He didn't understand

(01:35:03):
that we don't want to give up the chance for
a two run homer from a guy that's hitting a
home run every tenant bats, just to move up a
base with his power, we're gonna hit And Randy did
not understand. He was flum mixed by it. Spent the
old season like when am I supposed to steal?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Am I not supposed to steal? I don't think he
is that player. I think he struggles with a lot
of that stuff because I think he spent his entire
life being a showman and really doesn't understand team baseball.
I one hundred percent believe that, and I've been saying
it for two years. And I have a problem with

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what he did on Saturday, too, But to me, it
goes right in line with the problems Randy or Rose
Arena creates for his teammates all the time, and that
is he doesn't get it when somebody says, hey, let's
not crash into walls. Sometimes we got to let one go.
I'm thinking I bet you he was thinking on that play,

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not that I don't care if I don't get to it,
that he thought he was doing a smart thing letting
that drop. After all, he was in the lineup the
very next day. Yeah, it's not like they punished him.
They didn't then send him down on the lineup. They
didn't pull him off the field. He was in the
lineup the very next day. So Castile looked at it
like you should have had that. We all looked at
it like you should have had that. But I'll bet you,

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I'll bet you Randy's explanation was, you told me not
to crash into walls. I thought that was close to
the wall. That felt like to me one I should
let go because you want me to let those go.
I'll bet you that's what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Well, maybe he just needs a better to be a
better judge then, because yeah, it looked like that was
a pretty routine thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I don't disagree with that. I understand why people were angry.
It's like I said, I'm not defending him. I'm just
providing maybe a different, that's fair perspective on it. B
as for battle, with all of the times in the
last five days that we've wondered, do these guys really
care about this? I would like to point out Jose

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Ferrer's at bat against Junior Camonaro yesterday, because that game
was still in doubt, they had two guys on base,
Farrera was asked to go. He gads more than an
inning he had to go ale and a third.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
Oh my gosh, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
With Emerson leaving the game, and so he was really
like you could tell he was like trying to struggle
to get through it. And when you're trying to struggle
to get through that inning and you have to face
the hottest power hitter in the sport right now, who
could easily erase all the goodwill that you've done offensively
to that point in the game, and he's reaching back

(01:37:45):
throwing one a one. I mean, he's throwing the kitchen sink,
and Camonaro just keeps fouling him off and foiling him
off and foiling them off and staying alive, and you know,
he's just waiting for that one mistake that he's going
to drive into the seats. And the more he gets
the look at Ferrer's pitches, the more he's gonna feel
good about getting that pitch. And Farrer just battled and

(01:38:07):
battled and won the battle, got him on a called
third strike. I thought that was awesome baseball right there,
awesome theater. And so for all of the finger pointing
and this team doesn't care, know this, Jose Ferrer cared.
He cares in that moment, and that was one hell
of a battle in it. You know, he loses that battle,

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and maybe we don't win a game the entire road trip. Yeah,
maybe that game goes in a completely different direction. So
I wanted to give him some credit there. See us
for Castillo. A lot of rumors right now about Luis
Castillo and whether or not he's the if he's being
shopped here at the trading deadline. I said this Friday,

(01:38:49):
talked about this. He's gonna be really difficult to trade.
He's thirty three years old, he's got a five ERA,
and he makes twenty four million dollars a year and
he makes another twenty four again next year. So he's
not going to be easy to trade. And so if
you don't want to take my word for it. Just
this morning, CBS Sports reported the disappointing Mariners their words,

(01:39:14):
not mine, are still trying to find their footing in
the lackluster Al West, and now this they may be
looking to trade from their rotation depth, specifically Luis Castillo,
the thirty three year old uh is owde more than
twenty four million dollars. Blah blah blah. I just told
you all that stuff Castillo. In other words, Castillo probably
isn't going to net much of a return on the market.

(01:39:37):
That's the point. Like, if you were able to trade him.
I went through some scenarios last Friday. You're going to
be saying you're gonna pull like an NBA trade. You're
gonna go to the Giants and say, you take this
contract and we'll take one of you. We'll take a
contract that's even worse to make us a little bit better,

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like a Matt Chapman type. But if you're just trading
him up at the deadline, you're gonna get nothing in return. No,
you're gonna trade him, You're gonna move. You're gonna have
to trade him as a seller to a buyer, somebody
that wants to be able to win this year, and

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maybe a veteran starting pitcher short also somebody that has
a huge payroll as well. So that's that's gonna limit
your market there. I suppose that the other option here,
and this is what I thought about just this morning,
is maybe it's not Luis Castillo. Maybe it is one

(01:40:41):
of the five guys, the five younger guys, And maybe
when we're talking about the Mariners are interested in slipping
a starter for a back of the bullpen reliever. Nobody
feels good, right, There's no way I'm gonna trade George
Kirby for bullpen piece, unless would you do it for

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Mason Miller? Would you do it for the game's best closer,
the unhittable young Mason Miller, who's under contract for a
few more years. Would you move one of your five
younger starting pitchers, maybe it's Emerson Hancock, I don't know,
for the San Diego Padres. If in fact Mason Miller
is available, does that change it for you? At least

(01:41:29):
it at least gets me off of no way, It
at least has me thinking, well, maybe maybe maybe I
would do that after all. So something something to think
about out there all right, We'll close out the show
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