Best of Chuck in the Morning 8-11

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Are you writing this style? Something completed? This is Chuck
in the Morning. You people are beyond. Let's go, let's
get the game off. Hey, good to be what do you?

(00:51):
Good morning, great morning. It is a Tuesday and we
are going to rock the chasma today. It is Chuck Powell.
That is Ashley Ryan. You're at six a m.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I know it's early. I know your plans they did
not include me.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
But here we go four hours together where we will
spoon and talk sports and feed each other dippin' dots.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Welcome to the radio show.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is Chuck in the Mornings, and we get things
back here in the studio here today. Good to see
Ashley Ryan.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Nice to see you as well. I mean, it does
get tiring staring at a black box.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It gets tiring staring at a field of grass.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
It really does like you you're out in nature and
there's other people. No, there's not, but like you see people. Yeah,
because you see the guy that's mowing the lawn, and
you see the coach that's walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You see something doing that's something to envy. Is the
annoying ass people mowing the lawn in front of you
see other humans. That's my only point. I don't Uh, yeah, well,
I'm glad to be back. Maybe you'd like to be
out there, maybe we should have switched, but I'm glad
to be back in the studio. It's wonderful to be
with you here on this Tuesday morning. And uh and yeah,

(02:04):
I'm kind of going through this like transition. I've grown
my beard out to the point where I kind of
always admired that that guy that had the that just
went for the really cool sculpted silver beard. Okay, and
I let's face it, that's my only color option at
this point and for the.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Rest of my life. But I think it does look cool.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I've always like stopped short because it starts getting
raggedy and then I like, just I'm gonna shave it off.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't want it to look raggedy. I don't want
to look homeless.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
The idea behind this was to look cooler, and now
now I just look like, you know, look like I'm
asking for a sandwich outside the you know, the bus station. Uh.
And so I got it to the point where I
think it's on the verge of being what I needed
to be.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But I gotta put like stuff in it.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Oh yeah, if anyone who has a sculpted beard, they put.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Stuff in it, you got to put stuff in it, yep.
And I don't know what kind of stuff to put
in it. And I also have to battle the fact
that I live with a weirdo and like any kind
of like aroma, synthetic aroma, or scent she's allergic to.
So I got that facing me. So I don't know,
I don't know. Maybe I'll just maybe there's a well

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in the backyard somewhere in Woodenville that like springs forth
beard sculpting juice.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Fairly certain that's exactly how it works, like a geyser.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like I just gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I guess you know what, Now that I talked.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Through this and I appreciate it, I'm gonna have to
dig in every backyard in Woodenville.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I mean, might as well start somewhere, start at start,
find like a really nice fancy house and dig in
their backyard first until.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
An organic natural gel geyser springs forth and someone's backyard
that I can use to sculpt my new raggedy beard.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's the only way that any silver fox sculpts his beard.
No one goes to the storm buys gel these days, right.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right right, yeah, you know, And I don't even it's
interesting you bring up that term. I don't even.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's not even about looking foxy, it really isn't. I'm
way past that. It's more of just like.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Could I grow one of those beards that are kind
of cool? And I don't know. So here I am,
you know, kind of usually on the at the point
where I shave it off, And that's kind of where
I'm wearing the hat YouTube, because when you have the
raggedy and then you don't have the when you're you know,
when you're not perfectly shorn on top, the hat sort

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of balances it out.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Otherwise. I love raggedy raggedy.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh and we can't have that. I'm always love to call.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You Andy, yeah, double raggedy.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, Well, good to have you with us, So welcome
into the show. As we start four hours together here
on this Tuesday, we will tell you what's on tap
for our Tuesday show coming up here in a little bit.
But as we begin a brand new program, well we
still have the same manager. Our major League Baseball team

(05:07):
has not made a change at the managerial position, not
that I expected them to. I really didn't think they
would use their day off to make that change, even
though I've been calling for it for a number of weeks.
And so we go to New York to take on
the Yankees starting tonight. I'm sure they're already there, and

(05:28):
then Houston in the biggest series of the season to
this point, and then they close it out against Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So this is the toughest.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Road trip of the entire season, and certainly to date,
the most important road trip of the entire season. And
they haven't exactly played well on the road. So can
they find a gel geyser somewhat.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Fingers crossing it a jel geyser.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Somewhere between there and New York? Will they dig in
every backyard in the Bronx to try to find a
el geiser because this team needs to gel and Dan
Wilson's been unable to get that done.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
So here we go.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
We get ready for the stretch run facing a major deficit.
Both the Rangers and the Astros won again last night,
and Dan Wilson is the guy that's going to be
charged with pulling this team together and getting them to
play good baseball for the first time this season.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So that's what we're up against starting tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Ryan Devish wrote a recent article, and Ryan does a
great job about Dan Wilson and how they're going to
stick it out through the end of the season and
then maybe assess things at the end of the season,
and some of the things that were pointed out about
why they would keep him. There was some suggestion that
they just can't do that to a legend, and that

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of course rubs a lot of Mariners fans the wrong way.
Then why did you hire a legend in the first
place if that was going to handcuff you.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
You do this all the time as an organization.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Valid Another argument was, and this is one I've made
on behalf of Dan Wilson, the players really like him.
They really do.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I've said this all along. Players really like him.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And this goes well beyond well before I should say
he ever became the manager, when he was just an
advisor and showed up at every spring training. There was
a real kinship and it's one of the reasons that
he got hired. And that you know that that steady
Dan Wilson that irritates us because he never seems to

(07:32):
get hot or tempered or anything of that nature. That
works well apparently with this group of players. But from
what standpoint, I would argue, it works well to remain likable.
That doesn't mean it works well to get the most
out of the players. Correct. And I heard Logan say

(07:55):
that he'd like to challenge anyone that thought Dan Wilson
should be fired, and Logan as one of the nicest
human beings you'll ever meet.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So I would challenge Logan that.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I am one of those guys that once your friend
removed from his managerial position, because he should not be
your friend, he is your boss. And I don't think
Logan Gilbert needs that extra kick in the pants. As
nice as he is, as waltery as he is, there

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is an engine that runs hot every time Logan Gilbert
takes the mound, and that's what we're looking for. He
doesn't need it. He doesn't need the extra kick in
the pants some guys do. And if your entire reason
for being kept in your job as everybody likes you,
I don't think that that's effective, not in this role,

(08:50):
and certainly hasn't been this season, And so what you
might view as a positive might very well be the
thing that's dragged this team down. Where is the manager
that isn't everybody's friend? I get it, he protects everybody
in his postgame press conferences, and that's fine too, they're boring.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Who cares if we don't have good sound bites to
play for you after every Mariner game? Who cares if
the manager's not sharing how he really feels about certain
players performances or efforts from the day before. Fans don't
really need to know how Dan Wilson feels about that
as long as it's happening behind the scenes, as long

(09:34):
as behind the scenes not every game is Hey, you
know what you guys, gave it your best. That was
a tough one.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Oh if he walks into the locker room, another tough
one tonight, guys.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, we'll get him tomorrow. Hey, wait to fight till
the end? Yeah, as long as that's and I have
no idea, And frankly, even the guys that cover the
beat don't really know exactly how frustration anger is community
catered to the players on the roster. But I'll say

(10:04):
I will say that spoke volumes to me. I mean,
Logan's sitting there trying to defend his manager. We'd have
a real problem if that happened. He's trying to defend
his manager, and sounds like a lot of guys are
on that front. But the words you used don't suggest
to me that you have the right relationship. You have
a good relationship that that much is clear, and that

(10:27):
can go a long way until your being until you're
taking it for granted, I don't think that's the right
relationship between a manager and a group of players. Is
that everybody has your back because he never comes down
hard on you.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Well yeah, and talking about how he would come to
help out before he got the managerial job and they
all loved him. Well, that's that's perfect for that, m
that's where you want him. Yes, yeah, ah, look, guys,
Dan's here. This is so great. Oh hey buddy, how
you been missed?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You Like? That's great? Was just driving me up a wall, Dan,
and then Dan talks you down from the lest exactly.
And he's your pal, your friend, your confident.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, you can go to him and say like, hey,
when you played and you had this, that's a great thing.
But as far as the manager goes, I mean, I
just keep thinking about Logan saying, you know, I I'd
be really mad or I'd have a you know, I'd
have a problem with anyone that wanted him to lose
his job.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Quote he's a really good guy.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, that's what he said. Yes, and he is a
really good guy. No one's disputing the there is. But
my my thing that I keep thinking over and over and.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Over marry my aunt.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yes, who wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
If well, his wife might not.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
But my my question is like I lost my I'm sorry,
you're good.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, No, it was just.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
I don't remember what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I threw you off.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It was really fine.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
I just was thinking, like, ill come, it'll.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Come back, all right. Well I got plenty to say,
so you think of it, you come back around. But yes,
and then there's the other aspect, and there is something too,
like for example, I'll give you an example, Philadelphia Phillies
thought Rob Thompson was a really good guy, and Rob
Thompson at one point saved the Philadelphia Phillies earlier in

(12:17):
their franchise history. For whatever reason, Joe Girardi was rubbing
the players the wrong way, and so they went with
Rob Thompson, who everybody liked, and that change stimulated something
in them. I think Dan taking over for Scott, who
was not really liked in the locker room by a

(12:39):
lot of the guys. He had his guys, but there
are a lot of guys that weren't his guys. But
just that simple change over shook something up. It's not
that Dan came in and pressed all the right buttons
x'es and o's. It's not that Dan came in and
had a secret recipe for winning. No, it was a change.
It altered things. It shook people up. We got someone
fired for how bad we were playing, and a lot

(13:02):
of us on us and he's had our back a lot,
because Scott Servis had their back a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And now we have to.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Confront the fact that somebody got fired because we weren't
playing well enough. And lo and behold a different voice,
a little shake up. They almost rallied and made it
to the playoffs. And frankly, I think back to that
year and we were talking about maybe Scott Servis should
be let go prior to that, And had he been
let go prior to August twenty second and you missed

(13:32):
by one game, maybe you do make the playoffs. Maybe
that new voice would have kicked this team into higher gear.
Earlier in the year. Well, the Philadelphia Affilies did that
same thing and it worked like a charm with Rob
Thompson until this year when it wasn't working and they
needed a new voice.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
And Don Mattingly.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Doesn't have a sterling history as one of the great
managers of all time, one of the great first basemen
of all time, but not one of the great managers
of all time, but he certainly is carries respect in
the sport. So Don Mattingly takes over and what happens.
They immediately started winning. And for those that argue Dan
Wilson's a puppet and he has to use analytics, and

(14:11):
if he didn't have to use analytics so much, he
could manage the game without consequence. He could just do
what he wants to do. As an old school guy.
The Boston Red Sox and the Philadelphia Fellies fired their managers,
same front office, same players, and same use of analytics.
They didn't change their use of analytics. And I'm gonna

(14:31):
tell you this, there's no way that if you fired
Jerry Depoto and Justin Hollander, that you're not gonna hire
people who are really heavy into analytics.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Give it up, give.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Up the ghost. That's not gonna happen. And it's not
what's keeping Dan Wilson from being a good manager. You
have to use the numbers in today's game. The Red
Sox kept using the numbers in this kept using those
same numbers. They turned their season around because there was
a different voice. And I don't I'm not sitting you're
telling you that it's one hundred percent fool proof that's

(15:02):
going to happen. But I am giving you two examples
of why it did turn around, two examples of managers
that did turn things around. And I'm not even sure
Don Mattingley's a better manager than Rob Thompson. I'm not
sure that Tracy in Boston's a better manager than Alex Cora.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
But it shook them up.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, it gave.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Them a different voice and they didn't change anything else.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
They didn't change personnel, they didn't change the analytics team
that they use. They just gave them a different voice.
And there are two examples of teams with a lot
of talent who had a belief that they were going
to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year,
just like we did. So they had the talent, they

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had the roster, and because they made that managerial decision.
I don't know why it occurs. It shouldn't feel, it
shouldn't be this way, but it happens. It happens quite
a bit if you have a team with a playoff
talent roster. And I think if we would have made
this decision when I said too coming out of the

(16:09):
All Star Break, that we would be looking at a
different record and a different situation heading to Yankee Stadium tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
And if if he is their best friend or their
great friend, or the good guy and all of these things,
you should want him to stay as your manager. And
you're hearing all the stuff that people are saying, and
you're knowing you're underperforming, and you're knowing that if you
don't perform.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
He'd be the one to go.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
They're not going to fire the players, right, Yeah, So
you'd think if I would think, Okay, I really don't
want them to fire him, but I got to show
him how I got to show this organization how much
we want Dan here.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
We've got to play better. But you are not.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
And that is a result of a lot of things,
but one of them being your manager.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So it's just I mean, I do think, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
You could you You're right, they could. They could fire
him and he could go great. They could fire him
and it could go poorly. You don't know, but I
gotta try to sell it something. Yeah, exactly, you're making
an effort in saying like, okay, guys, this isn't working.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Something's got to change.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's no longer early. That is such music to people saying, Oh, they're.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So happy you finally said it. I mean, there's time
to come back from this deficit. So there is time
to come back from the deficit. But we have a
large enough sample size that this team's just not responding
to whatever leadership they're being given. And I just happen
to believe, and no one's going to talk me out
of it, that this team has the talent to be
a playoff team. And challenge for the World Series, but

(17:32):
we have not seen it perform well all season long.
Mostly the same team from a year ago that made
the American League Championship roster, so we also know that
they can act in a cohesive way as well. But
this season we have seen no ability to repeat good performances,
and we have seen no ability to dig out of
slumps from the offense. It's been bad from the beginning

(17:57):
of the year till now. Yeah, and this organization is
deciding we're going to ride with the horses that brought
us here.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And that's there's two ways of looking at that.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
They are the horses you've rode all year along, but
they are also the horses that have led you to
this trough of murky, crappy water that we are now
drinking from with the flies buzzy, yeah, flies buzzing around.
I think they should have made the change weeks ago.
I still think that they should have made the change yesterday.
Like I said, that change from Service to Wilson happened

(18:31):
on the twenty second of August.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
We're still eleven day shy of that.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I still think there's time to make this change and
save this season. And I think they are a desperate
organization that really put a lot and this team being
the team that they've been waiting for for a decade
in the Depoto era to finally break this World Series
drought here in Seattle. And look at them, seven games

(18:57):
under five hundred, and you want to stick with the
same horses. I don't quite get it.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
I hope it works. I guess that's the plan. Is
just cross your fingers and hope it works.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I guess. I sure hope having my good buddy Dan
around is just the thing. As long as we're patient,
friendship wins. I sure hope that somewhere there's somebody that's
doing lectures on inspiring lectures somewhere Tony Robbins or somebody
that has changed his message to stick with friendship.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Good guys always win.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
But I don't believe it. I don't buy it, not
for a second. This team's grossly underperformed this year, and
somebody's got to be held responsible for it, and to me,
it starts with the manager, and it's not all his fault,
but somebody is in charge of getting good players to
play good baseball and we haven't seen it happen all

(19:57):
season long. All right, we'll talk more about a little
later on in the show. Let's find out what's on
tap for the rest of today's program. I have your attention, please.

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Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm Mariners at Yankees tonight, first pitch, four oh five.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
There is something special.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Though, there really is, whether you're struggling or not about
playing and some of the great cathedrals in this sport
against some of the great organizations, you know, classic or
blue blood programs. There's just a little extra special watching
games when your favorite teams at Yankee Stadium or at
Wrigley Field or at Fenway Park.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And we at least have that to.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Look forward to. Right, We've got that Brian wu will
get the start for us. Great planning put him on
the road against a lefty dominating lineup where he has
a seven ERA on the road this year, and they'll
start a left hander Ryan Weathers, And I don't think
that's by accident. Terrek Scruball made his Dodger home debut

(21:07):
last night. Did not pitch all that well, only made
it five innings and barely did. Gave up three runs
and did not get the win, but the Dodgers did
rally for the victory. Paul Sewald was released by the
Arizona Diamondbacks yesterday. And I'm going to beat you to
your question. Yes, sign him. Yeah, And I know he's
had a bad year, but Pete Woodworth is his whisperer,
so let's he saved.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
His career once before.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Again. Desperate, We're desperate at this point. Let's find a
veteran reliever that knows how to get people out. I'm
all about it. Seahawks training camp game week this week.
They'll take on the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday. The preseason
officially begins this Thursday, with several games being played in
the National Football League. Terry and Arnold Jedarian Price also

(21:53):
continue to be big stories. Will the Seahawks sign Arnold
We're going to talk more about that at six thirty.
Jedarian Price doesn't look like he's gonna play this Saturday,
and that's disappointing. And of course we're gonna find out
all sorts of gnitty gritty information tonight about the team,
because Hard Knocks Episode two will air this evening. Husky's
Camp continues in the Boweing Classic is this weekend. More

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on both of those things later on in the show,
but coming up next, let's talk to some Seahawks football.
Our big topic yesterday was Terry and Arnold. Will the
champs ignore red flags and sign the troubled Detroit corner?
We'll discuss at next Sports Radio ninety three point three
KJRFM hight seven o'clock hour. Welcome in. It is Chuck Powell,

(22:48):
Ashley Ryan. We are in studio today. Great to have
you with us here on this Tuesday game week for
the Seattle Seahawks. More on that in a moment with
Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider, who will and it says
seven oh five, And I do want to make sure
that I'm clear about our new segment at eight o'clock
which we're introducing today, which we wanted to call Mirror Mirror,
but I guess Disney thinks we should call.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
It Magic mixors and movies being different.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's Resney, It's Disney. How he's having to be difficult.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh, we're going to make it look like our's Magic Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Anyway, Magic Mirror, I do want if I wasn't clear,
I want a reason to keep Dan Wilson. Okay, that's
what you're coming up with today. Tell me, tell me
the reason to keep Dan Wilson going forward, and we'll
cover that in Magic Mirror coming up at eight o'clock.
You can send a text, you can send us a
message on the old YouTube, which I'm still getting used to.

(23:43):
And then we also have the talkback feature, which we
love to showcase. Hell might even take some calls at
eight o'clock. Who knows. But first ever, Magic Mirror is
coming your way. I just lived down all of the
comparisons to Magic Mic just a couple of days ago,
did you No, Yeah, now they're going to start all
over again.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Man, I'm sorry, that's a rough time for you.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I know.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
We can't all have the body of Channing Tatum, I know,
and the face of a silver Fox.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
They just shout down the street, is that Magic Mike.
I'm like, no, No, I'm just Chuck Powell, guys, just
an overweight old man, Just Chuck Powell. All right, let's
get to the headlines for you before we bring Greg
on and he exposes me for not being compared to
Magic Mike because.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
He's all about the truth.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
That guy Mariners at Yankees tonight at four oh five,
first pitch, it will be Brian woo versus Ryan weathers.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's as if they planned it.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't think they didn't. I don't think they planned
against it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
We'll say that, Yeah, this wasn't supposed to be this way,
But here we go on the most important nine game
stretch of the entire season against some of the best
competition that we're going to face, including the Houston Astros.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
We absolutely have to win.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, and they road trip's going to start on the
road and a haven for left handed hitters and a
lineup that has seven lefties actually eight when you count
their one switch hitter, and we're throwing our worst road
starter to start the most important nine game streak of

(25:24):
the entire year. Andy gets to play twice on the road. Yeah,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, so, uh, not exactly ideal.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
They'll be throwing Ryan Weather's a left hander, struggled with
those He'll be pitching tonight for the New York Yankees.
Paul Seawald was released by the Arizona Diamondbacks yesterday, and
before you ask, yes, we should get him. And I
don't know if he's got anything left, but Paul Seawald
seven years ago didn't think he had anything left. And

(25:53):
the guy that got him out of it, the guy
that raised him up, he Woodworth, who we still have.
So yes, let's go get Paul Seawold and Adam to
this group.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Seahawks training camp.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
We obviously are not out there today, but they are
preparing for game week. This Saturday, they'll take on the
Dallas Cowboys. Terry and Arnold still remains an option, but
he is. They didn't leave let him leave the building,
unlike Mike McDonald, who they didn't let leave the building.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
He has left the building. He is talking with other teams.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
The New Orleans Saints have We're mentioned prominently yesterday, but
the Seahawks certainly kicking the tires on Terry and Arnold,
who right now could be facing prison. You know, depends
on how that story unfolds. Jadarian Price, he is hurt,
doesn't look like he's gonna play in the preseason opener.

(26:45):
We'll ask Greg more about that coming up here in
a little bit. Preseason officially opens on Thursday, though in
the National Football League, even though the Seahawks do not
play until Saturday, and do not miss the Boeing Classic
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let's talk to Greg.

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Speaker 2 (27:29):
From Martin, Greg, Good morning, what is the practice schedule today?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
We're not out there, but they're still practicing today.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yes, yes, this afternoon. Okay, close practice to fans. No
fans there, but you know the beat writers will be
out there.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
I don't know why they kept the radios out there, man,
because I'm trying to do two jobs at once. I'll
actually be broadcasting from there again.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh okay, you will be. You know there there is
an element and I understand it that they people just
get sick of me, Greg, So that could be part
of it. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
It's not you nailed you. You're not alone.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
All right, Well, let's talk about Jadarian Price some. I mean,
at this stage, any chance he's gonna debut Saturday, I can't.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
Imagine, Chuck, you miss his third straight practice yesterday, upper
leg soreness, this kind of tongue in cheek, Mike McDonald said, Saturday.
Just there's no reason in August the fifteenth to push
something like that and make it a month long thing
instead of a couple of days or so. But we'll

(28:43):
see how if he comes back to practice at all
the next couple of days. They I looked down at
one point during practice yesterday at my roster and looked
up at the running backs, and it's saying, it's George Ilani,
Emmanuel Wilson, and a bunch of guys that have never
played NFL game, including guys they just signed a fullback
they just signed last week, a two hundred and thirty

(29:05):
five pounds running back they just signed last week, TJ Harden.
There it's going to be a pote pirie of guys
during the preseason games that haven't played NFL before Is.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
There maybe a dark horse in all of this? I mean,
if ever there was a camp for somebody buried on
the depth chart to sort of turn heads, I would
think this is it at the running back position here
in Seattle. Is there a dark horse making a move
at all?

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Well, it was Jacarti Wright and then he injured his
lower look taking ankle or lower leg last week and
hasn't practiced since. He's missed the last four or five practices.
Lelis Jones, who was on the practice squad last year,
was in fact elevated for the Super Bowl, was on
the field in uniform, didn't play. He's still here. They

(29:55):
converted him to wide receiver to begin camp, but then
when the injuries pile running back, they put in back
at running back. He's been getting time a little bit
with the ones. They're so thin. We mentioned Emmanuel Wilson
yesterday from green Bay to seven yard back from green
Bay that's signed a one year deal. He's moved up
in prominence with price out. He's getting time with the ones.
McDonald says he likes how he's the physicality back that

(30:17):
they really don't have. Otherwise they signed this t J.
Harden who's two hundred and thirty five pounds that we've
yet to see him do too much because he just
got here. But Wilson has been the ben A benefactor
and he's now become a short yardage back, powerback option
that probably they weren't thinking about when they were going
through Jenarian Price and George Howani as their options at back.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
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football season and certainly something to talk about every day.
Terry and Arnold seems to be the juicy topic right

(31:03):
now surrounding the organization. Mike McDonald addressed it yesterday. What
did we hear from the head coach?

Speaker 6 (31:09):
I was surprised Chuck how expansive he was when I
asked him. I thought he'd say, we look at everything,
we're in on everything, we'll see, but he did. He
said that we had a tryout, which is more than
was originally reported. They The original port was that he
had a second visit with the Seahawks. Well, in fact,
they had him on the field working out, and McDonald
said it was a really good tryout. He said that

(31:31):
I enjoyed meeting him, getting to know him a little bit,
called him by name Terry On referenced cent Terrion. There
is some familiarity there, he mentioned, and was asked about
Carl Scott. We talked yesterday, the Seahawks defensive back. I
think we talked about that recruited him. Arnold to Alabama
out of high school in Tallahassee, Florida in twenty nineteen

(31:54):
and twenty the last years that Scott was at Alabama.
Then he left, Scott did to be the Minnesota Vikings
defensive backs coach, and so he never coached Arnold at
Alabama into becoming a first round draft pick. But he
knows and he has been in his living room with
his family and in Tallahassee, so he knows him better
than anybody else in Seahawks do, and they've talked to

(32:17):
him as well. MacDonald also said that those they've talked
to that are in Arnold's corner have given the Seahawks
a lot of information, and those are people that the
Seahawks really trust. So this summation of all of this
is there. Like we said yesterday, they're trying to be
the first in line if Arnold's exonerated from all of this,

(32:38):
and that's a big if he's got an arraignment hearing
this week in Tampa where he wo enter a plea
most likely not guilty, so he can remain free and
do these shopping visits to teams. There's some conflicting reports
whether the visit with the Saints you mentioned was yesterday
or today or what have you, but it's supposed to

(32:58):
be this week. Houston, Texans, New York Jets have inquired,
according to his agent, Nicole Lynn, and she's trying to
get a market for him. And it's a really odd
situation to try to drum up a market for a
guy who could be facing life in prison. I asked
MacDonald if the Seahawks in their investigation of Arnold's case
have gotten any read on whether there is a possibility

(33:22):
that he would be able to play the entire season
if everything went his way in this, and he said,
we're still working through that. We don't know that for sure,
but They're trying to be in the front of the line,
be the team that's met with him the most, that
he likes the most in case he gets exonerated, and
if he does, I would think Chuck that he's not
going to command much more than maybe a one year

(33:44):
near minimum salary contract. He's still only twenty three years old,
which is why, as we said yesterday, the football always wins.
We'll see what happens with his case, but the Seahawks
want to be there.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well, that was gonna be my next question.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Is this just a case of talent always wins or
can we just cling to the idea that maybe this
story and they've already learned this is not nearly as
bad as it reads.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, that's the inference from McDonald. He said that they
have heard Arnold's side of the story. The inference man,
the fact that we're still interested means we like what
we hear from that side of the story. And as
we said, that makes the Seahawks. It has to make
the Seahawks think he's going to be exonerated, or else
they wouldn't be going this far down the path. It's

(34:29):
one thing to kick the tires and have been in
for a free agent visit. It's another to have him
in again and have him in a tryout. I mean,
let's say, it's not very convenient for anybody to fly
out to Seattle unless it's something that's decently possible. And
now he's been here twice. So we asked him about
the culture and what McDonald has created and is the

(34:52):
fear of protecting that in this case, and he said,
we're still working through that. So they just want to
what their lot in. They want to make sure that
they're at the front of the line if he gets exonerated,
because then anyone can sign him, of course, and then
it would be a frenzy.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
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Speaker 2 (35:21):
Let's talk about the secondary. I mean, Terry and Arnold
if added could obviously take somebody's roster spot. And I'm
wondering how all this is going to shake out. I mean,
you and I talked about AJ Finley, you wrote about
him over the weekend. I heard you do a segment
on him yesterday with Jess So obviously he's creating some buzzd.

(35:43):
Anthony Bell was creating buzz I watched Julian Neil do
a workout in front of me yesterday. That is one
good looking athlete, and you know he's going to find
a spot considering the high draft pick they picked used
to pick him. You got Bud Clark there as well.
I mean, I would imagine that this thing's getting overcrowded,

(36:03):
that that secondary room where who might it squeeze out.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
When this process comes to an end.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Well, Noah had beenogamy the eighth years veteran corner was
playing nickel first team nicol yesterday. Bud Clark has taken
some of the Anthony Bell's reps as the big nickel
Delon Warry type hybrid in the first team defense. In
the last week or so, Bell's actually lost some ground,
even though he had a return for interception for a

(36:32):
touchdown off of Jalen Milroe yesterday and a big to
do and ran the link to the field and defense
and celebrate with him all that neim I preach. It
is someone that they started with as the fifth cornerback
to begin training camp. He looked like the heir to
Wreak Woolan in the alternating of three starters and two
spots between Woolan, Job and Witherspoon last year, well hiss.

(36:55):
Pritchett was in that starter camp, but now Monogamy he's
been doing that more Pritchet less and the fact that
they are entertaining the possibility of adding Terry On Arnold
tells me they're not happy with Pritchett. They didn't say that.
McDonald said he loves that, and he loves Pritchet. He
loves the competition there. But they're always shopping. They always

(37:18):
want to be shopping, and if they're trying to they
must not be set, and they aren't because they have
a veteran challenging Pritchett as well. In Monogamy, McDonald says
he really trusts and loves the cornerbacks that he has.
But they're still shopping, which tells me there's still ways
to go there. We'll see if Pritchett ends up getting

(37:38):
the job. If nothing happens, or if they don't sign Arnold,
that's probably where they would land. But ignongmy I think,
is going to make the team for special teams and
the veteran presence they need back there.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
This is something that I'm sure you're going to cover
later in the week, so I'm probably caught catching you
off guard with it a little bit. But just from
a person that's covered football for a long time and
have seen offensive coordinators get introduced, Brian Flurs never called
plays before. He's gonna get his opportunity this Saturday. And

(38:10):
yet he's gonna be up against You can only call
a certain small percentage of the playbook. He's not gonna
want to expose too much. So how how will do
you think that will work? How much or how much
is Mike gonna let Brian Flurry? Uh, you know, not
exposed too much of the playbook, but also let him

(38:31):
start getting used to calling plays before the games actually count.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Not much, And I think I mean the practices. It's
not in a game obviously, but they use the walkie talkies.
It goes into the quarterbacks ear and ear piece, micro
or speaker, so he's doing the mechanics of the play
calling now. There is a difference. If he we don't
know this yet. I haven't asked him if he's going
to be up in the press boxer on the sidelines,

(38:59):
but if he's in the press box, that's a different deal.
Kobiak was on the field. A lot of coordinators these
days want to be on the field because they want
to be able to reach out of touch and talk
to them face to face with their quarterbacks, and the
emotions of in the field of the game is so
much different down there. So we'll determine that. We'll start

(39:20):
determining that on Saturday to see where he is Flurry is.
But other than those mechanics, I don't know that it's
going to be two different But you're right a good
point about the play calling. They're not going to show anything.
They're not going to show the three type. If I
saw four tight ends on the field yesterday, three of
them split out wide, and I mean Eric Salbert, a

(39:42):
tenth year career special teams guy, was split out wide
as a fliker. They're going to have a lot of
tight end motion. You're going to see much of that
at all in the preseason. I wouldn't think we'll see.
It's also a good point to say if Fluri's never
done this before, the only time he's been a coordinator
at any level was twenty years ago at Sacred Heart
University in Connecticut, and that was on defense. So they

(40:05):
did a little bit of a dice roll here to
take a Super Bowl winning offense and hand it over
to someone who's never done this before. This may take
a few weeks into the season for him to get comfortable.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
All right, What else?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
What else we got in that notebook that we want
to share that I haven't asked well?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Jackson sventhn jigmit every day is just I mean yesterday
he had a one handed catch by spinning around. He
had a sixty fifty seven yard touchdown when he went
on an outside release on Devin Witherspoon and stayed away
from the jam and just used his body leveraged to
stay outside a perfect throw from Sam Donald. He had

(40:44):
another really savvy play in the middle of his zone
coveries where instead of just taking his route where it
looked like he was intended to go, he just stopped
between the safety and the corner back and it was
an easy twenty five yard catch because he just found
the spot and Darnald knew he was going to do
it instead of continuing his break. Just the savviness, the
body control. He looks like He's so different assertiveness wise

(41:09):
in this offense compared to this time last year when
they had just traded DK Metcalf, So that impressiveness continues.
Jake Bobo came back to practice. You mentioned Julian Neal
coming back to practice yesterday, the first time they've practiced
in two weeks. They only did individual drills. They haven't
yet gotten back to full go eleven on eleven. Those
are two guys they probably would play but may not

(41:31):
play because of the injury situation Saturday night. And then
the other thing to remember about this preseason game Saturday,
it is going to be non starters. It's going to
be the reserves and guys trying to make the roster spots.
The only real time, and so far in the three
years i've covered Mike McDonald, the only real time the
starters do anything of substance during the preseason as that

(41:52):
joint practice. That's why McDonald has it. And the joint practice,
all of a sudden is next week, next Friday, about
ten days from now in Nashville. That'll be when the
good ones versus ones, and that probably will be the
only time the starters do much this preseason.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
All right, what do you got planned for the show.
Don't take magic Mirror. It's already been taken.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Uh so No, really?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, I got a brand new I got a
brand new feature. Sorry about it. Greg, Well, if I
hear you're going to do a magic mirror segment, I'm
going to beat you to the punch.

Speaker 6 (42:25):
As soon as you said magic mirror, I thought of
Justin Timberlake and the old Saturday in the Life skit.
Those of you may have known what I'm talking about,
the mirror.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I think that was called the Crank in the Box.
I think is what that segment was called.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
You remember what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
That was a great Christmas gift.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
A J.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
Finley. I actually sat down with him after practice yesterday
and we talked a lot about not just his rehabilitation
twelve months ago, blown out his knee. He's a brand
new father. He had maybe two months ago. He married
his college sweetheart. He has a really good story about
how he met his college sweetheart at the University of Mississippi.
And here from him at eleven o'clock. Oh good, We'll

(43:08):
talk about this Terry on our old case. Because it
is not a Mike McDonald interest, it is counter to
what we've come to know in the culture, right I agree?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
All right, Greg, thank you. We'll listen at ten o'clock, sir,
all right, thanks all right, Greg Bell our Seahawks insider
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(43:56):
Chuck and Ashley with you coming up at eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
By the way, brand new feature.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I mean, we talked to our people and they were
all about calling it Mirror Mirror. We had t shirts
printed up, we got a most major motion picture that's
getting ready to come out, and then we had to
change into the last second to Magic Mirror because of Disney.
But a brand new segment I'm introducing here at eight o'clock.
We'll see how it goes. But the idea about it

(44:21):
is that I think I have been a pretty good
spokesman for those that want Dan Wilson out as a manager,
and so I want to hear from those that want
to give me reasons for why he should stay that's
what I'm looking for. I want to be the fairest

(44:42):
of them all. Don't you see magic Mirror on the wall.
So at eight o'clock, I'm asking for your texts, your
YouTube responses, your talkbacks at ninety three three khr dot com. Hell,
I don't know. I might even put a phone call
or two in there into the conversation as well. We
debut Magic Mirror coming up at eight o'clock. And again,

(45:03):
I'm looking for a concise one thing. I don't want
a mountain of things. I want us to go one
step at a time with this one thing. Give me
one reason why the anti Dan Wilson people are wrong
on this and why he should stay. So that's what
I want to hear at eight o'clock.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
I look forward to seeing if people can come up
with reasons.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh, okay, okay, I'm sure we've got some. Right, We've
got some okay, good, good, good good.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
And there, look, there's an argument there. There's certainly an
argument there. I think there's an absolute argument there. But
I just I want to go through it point by point.
In the meantime, understand that sometimes I get a little grumpy,
and I understand Ashley. Why I do I think something

(45:51):
changed in COVID. I really do something changed about me.
I don't think it's necessarily just age, but I think
we do tend to get grumpy as we get older,
that's for sure. But now I know I'm not the
only one. I am convinced people are just grumpier just
across the board. I really am. I'm going to give

(46:12):
you a great example because I came to work today
and I wasn't in a terribly foul mood. I was
excited about being back in the studio. And there have
been times where it doesn't matter what somebody does on
the road, I'm gonna be angry with them. I mean,
they could be just driving perfectly reasonably in the right
appropriate lane, but if it's stopping me from getting where

(46:35):
I want to go, I'm angry. That's just grumpy right there.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Like the semi truck I was behind today.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
You're doing your job.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I understand you're supposed to be slower, but why do
I have to go twenty two miles an hour behind you?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
So I show up to work actually in a good mood,
looking forward to seeing Ashley, looking forward to doing the
show in the studio. We got a lot of good topics.
I'm introducing magic mirror today. We got all this stuff
going on, and I get in the elevator with someone
I've never before. And he's a younger man, so he
didn't even have this excuse to use in his back
pocket of being older. And he was number one irritated

(47:10):
that I was there.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Oh how dare you be in an elevator number two?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
He pressed the button and it was like, that's my elevator.
He kind of carried that, and then he literally made
a noise and shook his head when he saw that
I pressed four because he wanted to go to two,
not that that was going to stop him from where
he was going. He stopped first, but he was annoyed

(47:35):
that I had pressed the button. And I wasn't even
angry with this younger man. He wasn't a young man,
but he was younger than I was. I wasn't even angry.
You know why. I just chalked it up to, man,
it's not just me. This is actually a good moment
for me. I thought I was just becoming grumpier. I
think the whole world has become grumpier because there is

(47:56):
no reason why this person should be this angry over
those little trifling things, and yet he is, and he
just made my day. Grumpy, younger man, it's not just
a you problems me, A lot of people not me.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I think everybody's grumpier these days, I.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Would agree, And I think it's because everything's more expensive,
and everybody's in more of a hurry, and.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, all these things.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
It's just like you just end up being more irritated
in life than you were.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It sounds like time is precious, but everyone's.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
In a hurry, and then you're just you know, go go, go, go,
going all the time, and we don't have as much
time anymore to just sit and smell the roses.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
This guy seemed to I mean his behavior, and I
don't think I was reading into it because I was
in a perfectly good mood.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I was not in a foul mood.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
He was in a foul mood, but his behavior was
suggesting like it is so early, I'm tired. Why am
I in here? Why is there another human being awake?
Yeah right now? Why on earth is he riding my elevator?
And why is he making me feel like I'm stopping
him from getting to his floor on time.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Af that guy, Yeah, he shouldn't push his floor till
after I get out.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Right, don't make me feel like I'm delaying you.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I'm angry.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, so I I know like I already had a
little bit of an edge to me, as you might
have told over the years. Already had a little edge
to me.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
But I know that like COVID made me grumpier because
COVID made me like view the world through the eyes
of a sick person. I live with someone who's not
altogether well in a lot of different ways, but she's
not well. So I had to like people that now
sneeze without covering their mouth or cough without that now

(49:48):
bothers me where I don't think that it did before.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
I think that bothers a lot more people than it
used to.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
COVID. Yeah, I think COVID did that to us. So
that's just one example. Driving, I don't know. I think
I'm just gonna be angry at everybody on the road
except myself, and I'm probably making a lot of mistakes
that are making others angry. I think I'm perfect as
a driver, but I don't know. I can't get rid
of that grumpy bug. But man, when you get done

(50:16):
driving and then you get into work and you got
a guy that got angry with you three times on
an elevator that you don't even know, it dawns on you.
It's not just me.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yes, everybody is a grumpy son.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Of a You know, what, do you ever do the
thing where like, you leave work and you go to
the grocery store or you go to get something and
the place is crowded, and you're like, do these.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
People not have to work?

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Why are you all here? Like I do I have
weird hours?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
How is it that you all have weird hours? A
thousand percent get jobs? And the amount of times that
I get grumpy and I don't say anything, I just
want you know, I don't say anything, and I certainly
don't do anything. Yeah, But the amount of times I
get frustrated with little old women, you know, how many
times that I have to like your mom is probably

(51:04):
frustrating somebody else right now in a store somewhere or
on the road somewhere. But the amount of times in
a grocery store that I am angry at a sweet
little old woman for being on the wrong side of
the aisle or in front of the peanuts or whatever
the case might be, and having no clue anyone else
is there.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I really got to check myself. I have to walk away, like.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Would you stop getting angry at little old women? And
then thirteen seconds later I'll be angry with another little old.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Woman they got I mean, you know what they had
it coming.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Damn you with all your sweetness to your grandchildren.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Life away from my peanuts.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, the golden age, my sweet delayed peanut wanting ass.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Yes, you're not your fault.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Ah, I know I am. But here's the thing. This
is what I learned this morning, and it made this
grumpy man very happy. You're all grumpier. Yeah, I think
we're all grumpier. Even you get grumpy about things that
I'm surprised you're grumpy at. And then and that kind
of catches me off. Card But then I got to remember, well, you,

(52:20):
I myself get grumpy at things that Ashley doesn't think
I should be grumpy about. And and yet I do
get grumpy, and I think she gets grumpy with me.
I think for being grumpy at things she doesn't think
I should be grumpy about.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
That just was a mind right, Yeah, yes, I'm just
gonna say, yes.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Card is true. What just happened?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I think it's true, So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I hear you. Yeah, So thanks elevator guy. You're the
grumpiest person I met today, and you meet which means
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Speaker 1 (54:09):
All right, brand new feature today.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I wanted to call it mirror mirror even day last
Soul thought it was mirror mirror.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
I know, right, he read the book, clearly didn't watch
the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
But magic mirror is what Disney ended up calling it
in Snow White, and the idea behind it is to
prove to you that I am the fairest of them all.
And there are three different definitions for fair. As it
turns out, there is beauty that's not the one that
is attributed to me, right. There is pale of skin

(54:43):
that could be.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Contributed, especially on YouTube it makes us popook so pale.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
But the one I'm referring to is just that version
of fair. I want to prove that I am the
fairest of them all when it comes to these some
of these types of conversations, especially when I have some
bold ass takes that not everybody can possibly agree with.
But we have an article out from Ryan Davish here

(55:11):
this morning, Great job again by Ryan Divish, and he says,
don't expect the Mariners to let go of Dan Wilson.
Part of that reason it was inferred is because of
his legendary status within the organization. Part of his reason.
Part of the reason is that the players just love
playing for him, and so they believe that they can

(55:34):
fix it under Dan's leadership, and so the organization does
not want to upset that apple cart. As you know,
I have announced that I think Dan Wilson should go,
and I announced that the first day out of the
All Star break that was our show that Monday ended
up being a thing that week. And I certainly have

(55:55):
not seeing this team perform like I was wrong. They
certainly haven't stepped up and had their managers back if
they want him to lead them to greatness. All they've
done is played poorer in the second half of the season.
So I'm going to stand by all of my arguments
and reasons for why I think Dan Wilson should not
be the manager of this team tonight and going forward

(56:17):
to try to get them out of these aduldrums and
give ourselves a chance of pulling off this comeback here
with the remaining forty five games of the season. But
Magic Mirror is about you telling me why Dan Wilson
should stay. I want to be fair and I don't
want a big mountain of reasons. We have time to

(56:39):
rifle through a few of your correspondences by just giving
me a reason why Dan Wilson should stay. So I've
been asking for texts, I've been asking for YouTube responses,
I've been asking for talkbacks all morning long for this
very segment. So Ashley, let's get to them.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
All right, We're gonna start with the talkback.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Okay, Baseball's a game of in tangibles, like you can't
just go up to the plate and try extra hard,
and you know that's not necessarily going.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
To fix anything or work out.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
But I see terminating Dan Wilson as just some intangible effect,
like maybe it galvanizes the team, maybe it has some change.
Isn't the constant really to Poto and kind of the
approach his offense has been terrible far before Dan Wilson ever, all.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Right, he ran out of time.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But look, I like that argument very level, had a
very very sound argument, And I think there are two
things for me to react to in that You're right,
it is just an intangible You don't know what the
next manager, what kind of effect he could have on
this team, and maybe it'll be a grossly negative effect,
maybe the team falls apart. But at this stage I

(57:50):
think that you have to make that desperate move to
shake things up. And maybe there is no reason behind
why the Philadelphia Filmies became instantly better the moment they
fired a really likable, successful manager and Rob Thompson, a
guy that saved them from Joe Girardi at one point

(58:12):
a few years ago and turned them into a winner.
But this year, when they started the season and they
felt as if we have a playoff roster and we're
not anywhere close to playing that way, they made the
change early and it improved instantly. And Lombohold, here are
the Philadelphia Phillies right there in the playoffs, right there
in the playoff position, and with Christopher Sanchez, Zach Wheeler

(58:35):
and Jesus Lozardo, they're going to be very dangerous for
the Dodgers to try and take out the Boston Red
Sox did the same thing. They got rid of Alex Korra.
You could argue, well, isn't that just trying to change
an intangible effect? And yet it worked and they've got
the same analytics using the same analytics. They didn't change

(58:56):
out general managers, they didn't change out analytics teams, they
didn't change out their nerdoramas. They went with the same players,
the same organizational philosophy, and they changed the manager. And
maybe it is just an intangible thing that you really
can't know what kind of impact it's going to have,
but they felt they were desperate and had to do

(59:17):
something to shake things up. I feel the Mariners are
in the exact same boat right now.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
And I can see the I mean we talked about
it earlier, the nervousness or the uncertainty of how the
team will react when it happens. Yeah, there's always that risk.
I understand that. What would you say to that talk back?
Second part though, isn't the one constant Jerry Depoto.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Well my reaction to that is, I think Jerry Depoto
has made a lot of mistakes, and I think he,
as an executive, has learned from those mistakes and made
changes over the years to his own approach. The offensive
hitting approach I criticized for a great number of years,
as Ashley Knows, as Bucky Knows, as anders Hurst on

(59:58):
My Stove podcast knows.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Get the hell out of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
You don't know offense, and I felt he and Justin
were way too hands on with that. But at the
beginning of last season, and Jerry admitted this in a
press conference, he stepped away from it. I mean, certainly
he's got to say on how things are done, and
I don't know how loud that say is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
But when Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Seitzer and Edgar Martinez were put together, there was this
and they stated it like, I'm going to back off
of this. We're going to hand the offense over to
those two guys and the approach at the plate. Certainly,
analytics still play a part in that. But if Jerry
Depoto got fired tomorrow, they're going to replace him with

(01:00:44):
a guy that embraces analytics. Nobody's not going to do that,
maybe not as much, but it's still going to be
part of the process. And this ties into what I
just said about the Red Sox and the Astros. They
didn't change their organizational philosophies. They didn't change midstream their
general manager, the guy making the decisions. They changed a

(01:01:06):
manager and a couple of coaches to shake things up
to get the player's attention. And maybe it was just
an intangible roll of the dice, but it worked. And
it's because they were both in desperate situations. The Red
Sox had the worst record in baseball at the time.
They've got like a nine hundred winning percentage since that time.
I would like that. I don't know why it works,

(01:01:28):
but this goes all the way back to trader Jack
McKeon taking over the world champion Miami Marlins twenty five
years ago. Just an old grumpy fart and he rolled
in there, though an old grumpy fart, had the right
things to say to the group of players to get
them turned around, and they won the World Series for
goodness sake that year. So there's enough evidence that it

(01:01:51):
does work. And we can discuss Jerry in another edition
of Magic Mirror down the line. As a matter of fact,
I look forward to it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
But let's get back to Dan all right from the
two oh six what about roster construction. With cal, Julio
and Naylor struggling, there's no combination of hitters on this
team that could save this team from being dead last
in runs scored.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
That's not Dan's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Okay, how is that roster construction? I mean, you just
said it yourself. Josh Naylor, cal Raley, and Julio Rodriguez
aren't hitting. Take the three best hitters away from any
team and let's see how they perform. Take cam Andaro
Diaz and name the third guy away from the Tampa
Bay Rays and see how much they plummet, like roster

(01:02:37):
construction to me. To me, it's cheap. To me, it's
un This is about being the fairest of them all.
To me, it is unfair to say at the beginning
of the year I believe in the roster and then
when individual players don't perform, then I'm going to say, well,
this roster stinks, right, and maybe I'm wrong. I'm bullish

(01:03:03):
about this. I think the roster was fine coming into
this season. It had Vegas making us the favorite to
win the American League. It had national analysts everywhere saying
the Mariners should win the American League. It had local
people that have been critical of the Mariners over the years,
saying the Mariners should win the American League. Roster construction,

(01:03:23):
to me is was the roster set up to win
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
And that's where again we get into the Jerry thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
That's why I'm not saying it has nothing to do
that I personally like Jerry or Justin over Dan might
be the opposite is true, it is. I believed in
the roster when the season began, and I still think
it's a roster worthy of getting things done. Now, I'll
say this, I'll say this. They this team seems to

(01:03:54):
only have the ability to win one way, and that
is to hit home runs. It's the only way we
can runs. And maybe a lot of that does fall
on roster construction, But I would also say a lot
of that falls on Dan Wilson. Why don't we do
anything else but wait around for the three run homer. Yeah,

(01:04:14):
And I have been very clear about this. I blame
the players the most. I don't blame Dan the most.
I blame the players the most. Right, they're underperforming, they
are underperforming. But when it's a collective, when it's the
entire group, I'm gonna blame the manager and the coaches
more than I'm gonna blame the team that put the

(01:04:35):
roster together. When I believe in the roster. Maybe I'm wrong,
but I'm not gonna be a hypocrite about it. I
believe in the roster. I don't think that the roster
is the problem. This roster should have been good enough
to run away with the American League West. Jim Bowden
just told this to us two weeks before the trading deadline.
He said, the Mariners don't have to add anything before

(01:04:56):
the deadline, and they should still run away with the
American League West.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I heard that with my own two years. So I'm
not going to blame roster construction for the way that
this team underperformed this year. And I'm not solely blaming
it on Dan and the coaching staff. I'm blaming it
on the players underperforming. But who gets more held responsible
for a group of players underperforming? Is it the guy

(01:05:20):
that put them together or is it the guy that's
around them every day and his job is to get
that group of players to play their best.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
I would think it's that guy from the four two five.
My one and only reason would to keep Dan would
be with the current roster, in future players and prospects.
It would show that we will stick together the good
and the bad. Show that we commit a third manager
in three years. Would make it harder if we pretend
that the front office will spend to re sign or
have a free agent want to come here knowing we

(01:05:50):
just recycle if it's not working. Now, I'm not saying
I agree with or I disagree with firing Dan, but
that would be my one reason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
To keep him continuity. Yes, tell it to the NBA, NHL.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Yeah, they just they not care about coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
They will plow it over.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Yes. I don't necessarily buy that, as you might guess.
This sort of to me goes to what the player
said in Ryan's article. We just really like him. Well,
I don't want you to be friends with your manager.

(01:06:31):
That doesn't impress me. I get that you like him.
Everybody in the organization likes him, and he's earned being
liked through the way that he conducts himself as a
human being. But your manager should not be your friend first,
he should be your boss. And if you see him

(01:06:53):
as a friend instead of somebody whose job is to
get the most out of you, if you look to
him like man, and that's a guy that I would
help have, help me move. That's a guy I'm gonna
call if ever I need a drive home from the
bar and I've had one too many. That's a nice

(01:07:13):
attribute to have in your manager, but it's not what
I want you to say about your manager. What I
want you to say about your manager is that's the
guy that got the most out of me. It's just
like when we were in grade school and you didn't
want the teacher in the fifth grade that you heard
was tough, and then you ended up getting that teacher
in the fifth grade who was tough, and now you

(01:07:34):
look back on it, even though you were scared on
day number one of school that he was going to
be tough, and you're like, that's one of my favorite
teachers of all time. That's what a manager's gotta be.
Not your friend. Yeah, it's the guy that gets the
most out of your circle. The players on this roster
who this year we feel the most was gotten out

(01:07:56):
of them, three of them on the entire Foster Hancock
young hand zone for Randy, Yeah, even then, did you
get the most out of him? Why did we have
so many incidents of him being laxadaisical. Yeah, but often
been very good, very good. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Else, We've gotten this from a couple of people, So
I feel this one is an important one to ask you. Okay,
we get rid of Dan, who do we replace him with?
That would be my one. That's their one hesitation for
why they wouldn't want Dan fired, because who's the other option?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Well, I mean in house, it's Maniacta. That's the obvious.
He has managerial experience and he knows the team. I
don't believe in Maniacta. Again. Again, I like him a lot,
but I don't I don't necessarily believe that's the right choice.
Could you go.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
With someone out of what for this? At this point?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
You could go Alex kra He's available out there. I mean,
he's the guy they got rid of though in Boston
and have gone on a streak without him. He also
has astros ties, which might bother some people. There's Bruce
Bochie types. There's some veterans out there that might be
interested in the job. And I have heard I've heard

(01:09:13):
a lot of people say, well, not a lot of people.
A couple people say that nobody wants to manage for
Jerry to Poto, even if around the league no one
likes Jerry to Poto and no one believes in Mariners ownership.
There's not a manager out there that doesn't look at
this pitching staff and this young nucleus with Kate Anderson

(01:09:35):
and Ryan Sloan coming and Emerson and Young up the middle,
and Arroyo and Montees on the way, and an entire
starting rotation under club control right now, which is one
of the best in baseball. Like Ben Johnson passed two
full head coaching cycles in the National Football League and

(01:09:58):
chose for the Chicago Bears, Why well, it certainly wasn't
for ownership. That might be the worst ownership group in
the National Football League, routinely panned and by people that
you know, and I'm not going to throw them under
the bus. People don't want to play for the mccaskeys
in Chicago. But the hottest offensive coordinator over a three

(01:10:22):
year span waited till he had the quarterback to play
for in Caleb Williams, and he went to the Chicago
Bears without hesitance.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Yeah, I see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Kevin Cash would manage here. We might have to trade
for him, and he embraces analytics. I just want to
warn you more so than Dan Wilson does, more so
than Jerry Depoto does. But that guy is fantastic. Steven Vote,
I've heard will manage here. They want to manage here.
That's what I'm doing in the offseason. That's who I'm

(01:10:53):
going at. But we're talking about whether or not he
should stay the manager now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Right, Yeah, yeah, And I think that that would be
a lot of people says is to get rid of
him and just have someone in house.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
And then there was See.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
The problem is this, there's a lot of people that
are still doing the Jerry thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
We'll get to the Jerry park everything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Oh you want this one?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Well no, I'm saying, yeah, we'll get there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
We'll do the Jerry one on this same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
But as what I'm saying about Jerry making a dent
at all, I realized that there are a lot of
people that have had their pants on fire for Jerry
to Poto now for seven eight years. I mean I
even saw a tweet or a text this morning or
tweet this morning saying that we went through a ten
year rebuild. What the f are you talking about? It

(01:11:40):
was a two year rebuild were two years and you
went from competitive to rebuilding for two years. One of
those was a shortened year, and then had a winning
record by the third year, and we're a playoff team
by the fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
It seems like every year lasts for us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I think some people came in so hard on Jerry
that they have to hate Jerry. And you attach so
many things to Jerry, like how could you be angry
at Jerry because the PR staff has a Jimothy Knight?

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
I know, because that stuff doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Nobody can separate those things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I will say that the one thing we're seeing a
lot of is well, Jerry wants a yes man, so
he's only going to hire someone who's gonna agree with everything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Oh, I'm so glad this point came up. I'm so
glad this point, this point had to come up. Dan
Wilson makes the lineup and Dan Wilson makes the end
game decisions. Does the front office influence him before every game? Yes,
just like every front office in Major League Baseball does.

(01:12:48):
There are no old school managers that don't that get
away without meeting with the Nerderama and the big stat
packet and they all have conversations. There's a meeting between
Pete Woodworth, cal Rawley, the starting pitcher, and Dan Wilson
before every single game, and that's information on high that
is coming down that they discuss. Every organization does this now.

(01:13:12):
And then the other thing that I would say about this,
if that really is just a yes man, First of all,
Scott's service will punch in the face if he thought
you thought he was just a yes man for eight
years here. But if Dan Wilson really just took the
job because he wanted the job and he just says
whatever you say, Jerry, shame on Dan Wilson. Do you

(01:13:33):
think I think higher of Dan Wilson If I'm to
believe that rhetoric that he only does what Jerry tells
him to do, I think so much less of Dan Wilson,
and I'm critical enough of him. But if that really
is true, that he just gets a speech before because
he's not sitting down there on a phone, he's not

(01:13:55):
sitting down there looking at his watch. There's no communication
in the game. So if he spends every game just well,
this is what Jerry wants me to do, then I
don't think any higher of Dan Wilson. I think far
less of Dan. Dan the man be a man, But
I don't believe that's true. I think Jerry and Justin

(01:14:16):
are very influential on the decisions that are made on
a day to day basis. I don't argue that, and
maybe too much so still to this day. But I
also believe because I've been told by all three parties
and the rest of you are just making this up.
You haven't asked Justin Hollander to his face. I've asked

(01:14:37):
him on the air and off the air, who makes
the lineup decisions? Who makes the in game decisions? And
he laughs and he says, the lineup is Dan's and
there is no way that we are discussing with him
in game decisions. He laughs about it. Now, if you
want to believe that he's lying to me, then go

(01:14:58):
ahead and do it. I know I've done one thing
more than any of you out there that are making
this suggestion. You've never asked Justin, Jerry or Dan this question.
I have, So maybe they're lying to me and I'm naive,
but I have asked it of the three pillars in
the organization, and they all tell me Dan makes the lineup.

(01:15:20):
Dan's in game decisions all influenced on high by the
Nerderama led by Jerry Depoto and Justin Hollander. I am
not denying that they don't influence Dan's in game decisions,
but once they've had their say before the game, it's
Dan's call for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
I don't know how much clear I can make them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Oh that was clear? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Great stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah that was fun. I mean I had fun. I
liked it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
I like it when our listeners participate too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I love it. I love it, and the more we
do it, the more I want to hear from you.
We'll open up the phone lines in the future, and
I promise next week, because we're going to do it
again next week, I will make it all about Jerry.
That's my promise. There goes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Since we couldn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
As a discussion about Dan without bringing up Jerry and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Yeah, it does because a lot of I mean, they
are very intertwined.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
All right. Coming up next, Mike McDonald his thoughts on
Tarry and Arnold. Are the Seahawks really interested in this guy?
It sounds like they are. Sports Radio ninety three point three.
KJRFM really happy with Magic Mirror. I thought it was great.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yeah, people are very excited for the Jerry segment next week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Oh we're gonna do Yeah, you might have to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Make it more than one segment next week. I'm just
warning you entire hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
There you go, We'll do a tire hour. There you go.
Come up with a bunch of magic songs, a bunch
of mirror songs.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
You can do, Machick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
You can do anything that you desire.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Yeah, it's true. Thanks America.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
You want to know why? Tell me why, Chuck, Because
you're the one that can put out the fire.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
With your sister Golden hair. Just gonna go through a
different America.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
So yeah, let's just jump to another one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah, it's Ashley a Chuck with you. And look, Greg
Bell and I clearly don't agree about baseball. But one
thing we do agree about is this Terryan Arnold thing.
And not that you know, we're entire I mean, I'm
not gonna speak on bathhem. Not that there's not a
scenario out there that maybe some of the information is

(01:17:39):
grossly misrepresented. Maybe maybe the authorities have no case. Maybe
Terry and Arnold is a victim of mistaken identity like
apparently the victims were. I'm not closing myself off to
any kind of possibility out there of the future, and
I'm also not closing myself off the possibility that it's

(01:18:01):
still not within John Schneider to say talent comes first.
I got a chance to get a first round young
cornerback for league minimum salary, and I think our PR
team can spin it. You forgave me for Frank Clark,
You'll forgive me for Terry and Arnold. I think there's
probably that little bit of a rascal in John Schneider

(01:18:22):
that just might not be able to resist if he
gets a chance to get a talent like Terry and
Arnold for league minimum. Where Greg and I agree is
it just doesn't feel like a Mike McDonald thing. It
doesn't feel like something Mike McDonald would go along with.
I've seen John do it. But since Mike McDonald came
into town the last couple of years, man, it just

(01:18:43):
feels like character has been a much played a much
bigger role in who the Seahawks bring into this organization,
be it draft pick, free agent, trade acquisition, and so
it is surprising that they're kicking the tires when this
story is so sensational and so potentially wrought with just disaster.

(01:19:06):
But Mike McDonald is in, he's got his hand in
the middle on this. Here. He was yesterday talking about
Terry and Arnold after practice.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
Well, it's enough right now to we had him in
for a great visit, a great tryout. It's not you know,
it's a situation where there's there's some there's other things
that are surrounding it as well. We're aware of that,
but uh, we're we're working through the situation right now.
You know, there's but uh, there's a great visit. I
really I really enjoyed medium and uh I think I

(01:19:35):
think he enjoyed being here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
So we'll see where it goes a little bit. Evaluate
situations like that where there's a stuff going on and
Sat I told.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
You you worked really hard to build and just make
sure you cantet glass.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
Well, we're going to do our due diligence. And there's
a lot of people in Terryon's corner that that we
respect on in terms of the type of guy is.
So we're gonna work through all that and I think
we I trust our people to make the decision for us,
and we also think this is a great place to
come work too, and that if it can be the

(01:20:07):
best verson themselves if given the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
So kind of works both ways. Mike McDonald yesterday whatever,
Mike kind of backed something you can't help.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
But Okay, I guess, I guess I'm all the ears.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
I'm not. You're not not at all. Doesn't sound like
Ashley Ryan tech guy, No, and it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
I mean, I don't want to convict him before he's
been found guilty of this situation. But that is a
lot of drama that I don't think you need. You're
you're You've already got people gunning for you this year.
You are the defending Super Bowl champions. You don't need
to add something that's going to be a distraction. And
on top of that, before this legal issue, we have
heard that he's not the best teammate. What have we

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done with people who weren't the best teammates or who
caused issues or outbursts on the field? Reek Wolla no
longer here, Dk Metcalf no longer here. He doesn't tolerate it.
So I don't know why this guy would be a fit.
I can't figure it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
Out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I mean the Lions walked away fast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Yeah, if anyone would have had the reason to like
as much as they had invested to say, Okay, can
we let the process play itself out? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
And no one would blame them for that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Right I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah, can we let the process play itself out and
then we'll make the best decision for the organization. They
cut him like immediately, and I don't think they would
have done that if they believed his story. And my
guess is they don't believe his story because they know
his character, right, So I mean I'm reading a lot
into that. No, but yeah, I'm supposed to be the
fairest of them all and that feels a little unfair

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right there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
But that is my read of the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I mean, Dan Campbell's a football bite off knee caps.
I mean, we're losing our grip on our status as
Super Bowl contender. They would be I think the last
team that will want to give up on a third year,
first round pick cornerback, especially when their secondary has gotten
devastated each of the last two years and probably kept
them from getting to the Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
And here are the Lions. As soon as they heard
the story.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
The next day you are out, and then all of
the other stories about his character started to come out
as well. Yeah, and that's what you have to think,
right in that situation.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
If they if he is a.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Team leader, if he is the glue in the locker room,
if he is all of these things that are important
to their team's success, they wouldn't have been so quick
to dismiss him. But you start hearing those stories after,
and I think you think to yourself, Okay, so take
away the legal stuff. Do we want a guy on
our team that would be dropped so quickly? And now
we're hearing all these things that he's not that great

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in the locker room? Why would we want that regardless
of his legal issues.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Huh. I think you and Greg and I are all
on the same page. It just doesn't feel Mike mcdonaldy,
and I want you as an organization to be as
Mike mcdonaldy as possible. Yes, please, it works.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Yeah, it's done well for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Us, But he is at least he is at least
even if he doesn't even if he doesn't, isn't sure
he likes it. He's smart enough to say other people
in the organization, this guy might end up on our
team depends on what we hear how this thing unfolds,
And I'm certainly not going to say we don't have

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room in our organization for a guy like this, So
that seems to be the approach that Mike's taking. Also
would like to point out Hawk blogger, you were being
very nosy. Uh and baby, I think you should get
fined for crying in the middle of Mike McDonald's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
Press and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
We don't let Bob Condota do that. If he started
crying in the middle of a press conference, Why would
we let that baby.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
It's a very valid question. You're just being fair, You're
asking fair questions exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Bob Candota is a professional. That's why he's been on
the beat for so long. That's why he's so good
at his job. He just started crying in the middle
of Mike McDonald's answers. How long would he have his job?
Think about that, baby?

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
Not very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Next time you want to ruin a piece of audio,
you better want to check yourself, all right, Coming on
next a preview of tonight series at Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. All right,
great morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Happy Tuesday to you all, Ashley, Ryan Chuck Powell with
you as we roll into our fourth and final hour
here on this Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
But it is one of our favorite hours, and it's because.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Ryan Heay now joins his former Mariner just in town
home run derbying this past weekend, and he's got a
lot of problems for us to solve here in regards
to Mariners Baseball. So we're leaning pretty heavily on you,
big guy.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
I thought you provide the problems, I provide the solutions.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Yeah. Yeah, You're gonna have to solve it all.

Speaker 10 (01:24:35):
That's what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
I'm gonna create a lot of problems and then you
solve them all, and then we can all feel better
about things.

Speaker 10 (01:24:41):
We're going no notes today, no stats. We're just gonna
go straight the eye test and we're just gonna hash
this out Chuck old step old fashion right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Well, I can't wait to dive into it, but I
do want to ask, was it fair to bring a
pitching change in the middle of your home run derby
round on Friday and have to face Jane Paston just
because Jay Bunior likes showmanship? Define fair I'll answer that no,
was he has he even pitched batting practice ever before

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in his life?

Speaker 10 (01:25:13):
Did you get the pitches you were looking for? You know, Chuck,
I'll answer it like this. There was a moment during
that day on Friday, when I landed in Seattle. I
had a choice. I had a choice where I can
make the Homer Derby about myself and my ego to win,
which I believe I did for a lot of my
life as a professional athlete, or I could choose to

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see the bigger picture of what this was actually about.
And fortunately for me, I saw that bigger picture during
the game because I got an opportunity to experience what
t Mobile Park feels like as a fan for the
first time ever. I got to sit in the stands,
I had got a walk around the concourse full of Mariners,
fands that love this organization, this city so much. I

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had a chance to experience that for the first time ever.
From that perspective, and then all of a sudden hit me,
this was never about me. Whether it's James pack Cent
or Felix Hernandez or Randy Johnson throwing me batting practice,
this wasn't about me. This was about entertainment. This was
about connection, This was about enjoying the moment. And I
did all of those things. I connected with superstars, I

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connected with fans, and I felt like the Mariner was
put on a tremendous show. And I promise you, I
promise you, at some point, if I'm able to do
that home in Derby again, I will bring my own
my own BP pitcher.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Okay, if I put out an over under a fourteen
and a half for year round against Danny Farquhar, do
we get over that or do we get under under?

Speaker 10 (01:26:44):
Danny Farquhark throws like power cutters low and away from
Righty's and my Cameron, Mike Cameron came back and was like, Dude,
that dude's throwing cutters low and away. I can't get
that ball in the air. He hit a couple like
line drives in the right center gap and I was like,
that's what you made a career man, that's why you're
here this weekend off of the home runs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
All right, So I bring your home picture the next
time and we'll see a different result.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I don't have any doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I don't because I you know, I was expecting you
to dominate, and I think that you would under the
right circumstances.

Speaker 10 (01:27:17):
That's it went fast, like I gets sped up on
you quick in there, like in the two minute time frame,
my legs were shot by about ninety seconds in. I
felt like I felt like there's a lot of things
that I just wasn't prepared for in that regard where
you just kind of had to swing as hard as
a can and hope you can hit it, kind of
like when I played Najor League Baseball. To be honest, man,
swing hard in case you hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Well, I'll say this, there have been actual home run
Derbys where all stars in the prime of their career
that have take batting practice every day didn't hit a
single one, and we had a picture hit three on
Friday night.

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
So I Smith put on a show, put.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
On a great show, including yourself, so fat well done,
Well done. All right, let's talk about the Mariners. Man.
You're a you're a player on this team and you
can't score runs, and it's no longer early and you're
seven under five hundred, and the Astros and Rangers are

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playing really good baseball now, so it's not going to
be easy to track them down. What's what were the
conversations Sunday? What's the plane ride to New York? Like, uh, yesterday,
Where would the mind of a Mariner player be based
on current circumstances.

Speaker 10 (01:28:37):
That's a long flight across the country from Seattle to
New York. And usually the plane is where like the
most fun has had by the players, because especially you
go into an away city with an off day the
next day, it's a chance to play cards, you gamble
a little bit, you have some drinks, you're able to
kind of banter with the group. Uh, kind of take

(01:28:57):
a load off a little bit and enjoy the moment.
My guess is that's what happened, because they're all in
this together, the good and the bad. So I hope
that that provided some connection. I remember there were seasons
when I even wasn't with the Mariners on at the a's,
Like we would have cross country flights, and there were
veterans would step up and make sure that we all
had fun on there and connected because the wins and

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losses can be frustrating, and it's a long season and
these are the dog days of summer, like we're getting
to the middle of August here, creeping up to it
last six weeks of regular season, you've already played so
much baseball. Unfortunately, your numbers at this point of the
season are pretty much set. You can increase some of
the power production, but most of your numbers are set
for the year. Your focus shifts to all about the team,

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everything we can do to win here, and then all
of a sudden, everything you do which isn't good enough.
A team like the Rays comes in in the red hot.
And if you saw the Rays game on Monday night
against the Sacramento Athletics, like they were down six to
two and they came back and scored eight or nine
runs in an inning, Like that's a team that's just
built different right now. The Mariners can be that they
haven't been that, but they can't be that. It's just

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a lot of things, and it's a lot of pressure
on the pitching staff, which has been there all year,
but the offensive production it's a broken record at this point.
They're having a really hard time stringing innings together. They're
having a really hard time leaving the yard ruinners on base,
and it's just it's one of those things where you're like,
there's got to be an answer. That's clear, but it's
it's not. Unfortunately, what's wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I mean you've did this for a living. I mean
you tried to solve this impossible riddle for years of
your life and you know how difficult it is. And
yet I think you're with me. I think the pieces
are there to have a successful offense. But for four
and a half months, it's been terrible. So what's wrong?

(01:30:46):
As you lay your eyes on it? You're there in
the ballpark, You've called games. If you could, if you
were asked, Hey, Ryan, go in there and add something
to this conversation, what would you contribute to this to
get it going around?

Speaker 10 (01:31:02):
There's not much more than I could contribute that wasn't
presented this weekend with the amount of you know, Mariner's
royalty that was walking through those halls, those clubhouses, on
the field all week and long, like, there was plenty
of energy provided for that team, and I felt like
there was moments when it was it showed up on
the field, but it just wasn't everyone. What my diagnosis

(01:31:23):
is is there's a lot of individuals on this team
trying to solve their own problems, and not enough people
that are taking teams for the taking of bats for
the team, and it's hard to take it back for
the team when you don't feel like yourself as a hitter,
because you essentially feel lost, you don't know who you are,
and you step in the box, your approaches all over

(01:31:44):
the place. You don't have the confidence in your swing
to get to the pitches you normally can. You're taking
selfish at bats unintentionally, Chuck, unintentionally, because you're trying to
figure your own problems out instead of the ability of, like,
what does this team need to do today to beat
this picture on the mound. It doesn't seem to be
that one through nine unison togetherness on a daily basis

(01:32:04):
where it's like, hey, guys, this is what we need
to do to execute and win today. And I'm sure
those conversations happen on a daily basis, Chuck, Yeah, in
the batting cage and the meetings they have on a
daily basis and offense, like those conversations happen. But there's
a lot of players that have underperformed this season, which
means they're stuck inside of like that Mason jar and
they completely forgot what makes them special as a player,

(01:32:27):
and they're trying to chase that former version of themselves,
and they have no idea how to be the best
version right here, right now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
That's a great answer when it comes to being able
to adjust on the fly. I mean they're obviously their
identity is we at home runs and we pitch well.

Speaker 10 (01:32:42):
Sure, but.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
To have any other ability to score runs doesn't seem
to exist, and it doesn't seem like the manager presses
those buttons to try to make you score runs. Differently,
maybe we don't have the skill set as a roster.
I don't know what it is, but it does feel
ryan like if we don't hit two or three home
runs or don't hit that three run homer, there's really

(01:33:07):
no chance to score runs. Can you adjust on the fly?
Can you fix that? Can you figure out mid season
how to be more productive when you're not going deep?

Speaker 10 (01:33:19):
My optimism wants to say yes, But my realism of
being a player is it's really hard. It's a tall order,
and to have the coaching staff or the manager step
in and start making decisions for your bats or with
your bats for you as a major leaguer now brings
in different emotions that you're trying to suppress as you're

(01:33:41):
standing in the batter's box, meaning your ego, your personal career,
your personal stats, the next contract. You're trying to play
for a roster spot with this team or another team
next year. There's so many factors of being a W
two employee in the Major League Baseball, but it's operating
essentially as an independent contractor. You're essentially a ten ninety
nine that has a W two over you, but there's
nothing guaranteed. There's some guys that have contracts, but a

(01:34:04):
lot of them don't. So at that point, you're trying
to make sure you're going to be valuable enough for
a team or for this team next year, so you
have a job while also trying to make the best
out of this season. And I think the guys that
are contracted long term this on this season and this team,
they've underperformed and they know that and they feel that pressure,
and unfortunately that pressure ends up growing internally for those

(01:34:27):
superstars that are underperforming and gets dispersed to others around them.
I feel like I got to pick up cal Rawly
Slack and I can't hit sixty home runs, So how
am I gonna ever live up to that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Ryan Heay is with us former Mariner part of a
Mariner's TV crew this year and joins us every Tuesday
at nine o'clock to talk some Mariner baseball. Give me
the number one reason why it is the right decision
to stick with Dan Wilson here down the stretch.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
He understands how hard it is, and I feel like
at this point of the season to be really tough
to make a change, a managerial change. And then number
one reason being is whoever replaces him, you're not going
to find the guy, have the opportunity to vet the
guy to know that he's the long term solution for
this club. So you essentially would just be making the

(01:35:18):
move to make the move to allow a voice already
internal to have more of a say, And if that
was the truth, then that voice would already be speaking
or would already be impacting or changing things. In my opinion,
if they were going to make that decision, it would
have happened sooner. I think this is Dan Wilson's team
for the rest of the season. What they do after
the season is completely up to them. And the sad

(01:35:41):
part for me though, is I've seen people, good, good
people lose jobs over underperforming and when the expectations are
this high, whether they deserve that blame or not. You
see it happen because it's easier to replace one person
that is an entire roster.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
We'll make you a little uncomfortable. Then give me the
thing about Dan Wilson that you feel he should be
better at that that's been a problem this upcoming year.
I don't want you to just come across as you know, hey,
we got to stick with Dan former player, player allegiance.
Give me something about Dan that you feel has been

(01:36:21):
an issue if anything this up this past season.

Speaker 10 (01:36:26):
It's a hard question, Chuck. I know it's a really
hard question. I know what my answer is. How I
say it matters a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:36:36):
I think we all see the postgame interviews, right, Yeah,
and they tend to blend together the pretty similar.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Pretty much the same thing, every game.

Speaker 10 (01:36:45):
Same thing. So my hope, because I don't know this
for certain, I'm not in those those rooms and what
the conversations are with the players, I hope that there
is more matter of fact in truth spoken behind closed doors,
and I hope that there's more accountability to what is
actually true and happening behind closed doors. It may be

(01:37:06):
and it may not be working. I don't know that,
but I do hope that there is at least the
truth being spoken from manager to player or coaches to
players about what's happening right now throughout the course of
the season. And I hope that he's not relaying the
same message that he is to the media that he

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is to the team.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Mm hmm, yeah, I agree. I just said that a
little bit earlier in the show, said something very very
very similar to that, because I mean, players want their
manager to have their backs. They don't want them to
ever throw them under the bus in the media. And
I'll say Dan Wilson he's one hundred percent of that.
I mean, two and a half years of him being
the manager of this team, I don't think he's ever

(01:37:48):
come even close to throwing a player under the bus.
And I know that goes a long way with players, but.

Speaker 10 (01:37:53):
That was getting praised all weekend long by Mariner's legends,
like his ability to have a player's back. No idea
how far that goes with the player manager relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
All right, so you were around the team. I'm sure
you had a few conversations. I'm not sure how deeply
you probed, but do you get the sense that they
are on the side of we're gonna fix this, or
do you think some doubt has crept into this roster.

Speaker 10 (01:38:20):
I think there's belief, no doubt. I think there's plenty
of belief, and I think more than anything, there's trust
amongst player to player in this clubhouse, mostly because they've
they've proven themselves. There's not really an unproven player on
this roster. There are young players that haven't had years
and years of success Majoric level, but at Schunk glimpses

(01:38:42):
of why they're there and why they deserve to be there.
I honestly believe that they're waiting for that moment for
it to click, and they've felt that moment this season,
not for a long stretch, but for enough of a
stretch where it's like, man, when that version of this
team shows up, we can beat anybody. But there's also
been a lot of weekends where they play against the

(01:39:04):
upper echelon team in the AL East, the AL Central,
some of these teams in middle of the pack where
they just don't show up at all, and it's frustrating.
But I do sense that there's a lot of belief
from player to player in this clubhouse, and they do.
They do believe that it can come together. And I
think there's time. At what points is there not enough time?

(01:39:25):
I think this is a lot to do with how
the al has performed as a whole the season, the
fact that there even is an opportunity, with how the
wild Card race looks like it's gonna come down to
the wire, like no matter what happens over this next
nine game plus road trip, like it's gonna come down
to the wire, and I think it's gonna be really entertaining.

(01:39:46):
And how the Mariners respond the last couple of weeks
of the season, last month of the season is going
to determine a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Yankee Stadium fun. Intimidating What is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
It like to hit there as a major league hitter
or is it just the same as any other park
and you block it up.

Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
No, there's an extra pep in your step when you
play Yankee Sadium. My first time ever was in twenty seventeen.
It was my first full season, but I played seventy
five plus games a year prior. And Ed Sprague, who's
a legend World Series champion of the Blue Jays, he
was working with the A's at the time, and I
saw him in Oakland the weekend after we played yank
A Sad and he goes. Was that your first time
playing in New York? I was like, yeah, he goes Man,

(01:40:26):
you had a different pep in your step playing there.
It's just like you just feel like you're floating the
entire time. Like you get to go out early. All
the memorials they can have in the you know, the
slabs they have in center field to go see the
names that have walked through. Not that stadium particular, but
that organization.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
It just it just feels.

Speaker 10 (01:40:44):
Different and it provides a lot of extra energy, especially
this time of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
You pissed them off. They call you games.

Speaker 10 (01:40:52):
Oh they said some things that the radio. I don't
think you can get to your bleet button fast enough
if I was able to repeat them, But like it was,
I love that stuff, man. I loved when the fans
would get personal and chirp you with me. It was
always New York and Boston the right there on top
of you, and they had some choice words. New York though,
Like they showed up in BP and they'd be chirping
at you in batting tracks. I'm like guys, the game's

(01:41:13):
that for two hours? Can I like it? At least
get get loose and locked in a little bit before
you start, you know, telling me that my mother is
that you know what, like, just relax a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Ed Sprague, I mean, did you guys have similar games?

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
If I remember? Is that fair to say that you
and Edstriin?

Speaker 10 (01:41:30):
I was nowhere near the player that Ed Sprague was
nowhere near. But he was a tremendous He was a
tremendous mentor to me and taught me like layers of
this game that were so deep in the onion that
I hadn't gotten to yet mentally, and he helped me unlock.
And he's a big reason why my twenty sixteen you
know season happened the way that it did. I had

(01:41:51):
such a chip on my shoulder. I was mad at
the world, and he helped me organize that frustration to
provide some purpose to what my pregame work like, my
postgame reflection looked like. And I absolutely took my game
to another level that year.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Actually, even Ryan gets grumpy. I had a conversation with
her earlier. I think that everybody's just grumpy, grumpier than
what they used to be. What's something that makes let's
close it out with this. What's something all outside of sports,
outside of baseball, that makes Ryan Healey grumpy? The grocery
store traffic, whatever the case may be. Give me something

(01:42:25):
that makes you grumpy.

Speaker 10 (01:42:27):
It's not often other people. I've gotten pretty good at
like letting people just do what they got to do.
If if someone cuts me off on the on my
way to work, like they value their time, Yeah, the
valuable time. They're more Russian, I am.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
That's okay, But what about if they cut you off
and then they flip you off for it, Like that's.

Speaker 10 (01:42:44):
On them even then, even though it's like, you know what,
they must be going some through, going through something harder
than I am right now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Okay, it's just I think, so.

Speaker 10 (01:42:55):
Listen, they might be, But even if they are, can
I change them? I don't have control over them, So
I gotta let it go. But what makes me really
really grumpy? Chock cat really grumpy? Missing my morning routine?
I had a day last week. It was my daughter's
second day of school. My son we were taking him

(01:43:17):
to his school for like the introduction, and my forgot
to set my alarm completely on me. So I woke
up at seven am. My wife walks in and goes, hey,
do you mean to sleep in? I was like, oh no,
So now I wake up just reacting to a four
to two year old and my wife who is a
little emotional about her baby boy going to school. So
now I'm I'm absorbing and reacting to everyone's emotions instead

(01:43:37):
of waking up early to regulate mine. And that made
me really grumpy. And it wasn't until about noon that
day when I finally realized, oh, this is all my fault. Cool,
now I gotta fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Good process, Good process there, all right, man, Great to
have you on as always, and we'll talk to you
again next week.

Speaker 10 (01:43:58):
See you guys, have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
The fantastic never grumpy Ryan Heay joining us right here
on the radio program coming and his segment, by the way,
brought to you by Dino's. Uh in Renton, Dino's Pub
and Renton great tots there.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Great place for Schnyder and McDonald to hang out.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Yeah, and uh who was our other sponsor? I don't
have it in front of me for I thought I
thought that was it, but I didn't want to say it.
And then it not be it. I think you wanted
to test me. Yeah, I just kind of got caught there.
I'm like, do I know, like, have you ever done
that with a person's name? Like really struggle with like

(01:44:36):
the Kirsten, Kristen, Christina, you know, that whole family. So
I'll see a Kristin, I'm like, oh man, it was
is it Kristin or Kirsten?

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
And I struggle with.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
That a lot. So I just end up not even
saying the name.

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
That's fair, just be like, hey, you knew that or
is that just me?

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
I get that, and then I'm hoping somebody else mentions
it so then I can pick it up the mare
for the rest of the night. But I always struggle
with that same thing with Griffin and Griffith. I always
struggle with those two. All right, Coming up next, some
notes from around the National Football League. We're getting ready
for preseason action on Thursday. Sports Radio ninety three point

(01:45:16):
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