November 10, 2025 • 38 mins
MIKE HOLMGREN joins the show for the 2nd hour of MMQB and we get Coach’s thoughts on the Seahawks win over the Cardinals and what he saw from this team. Was he concerned by the sloppiness in the 3rd quarter? :30- Has Coach ever seen something like what Tyrice Knight and DeMarcus Lawrence did? How do the guys really feel about the tush-push? Does Coach miss Green bay this time of year? :45- We close out MMQB with some breaking news and one last thing for Coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Holmgrin and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuckin' buck High.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Nine o'clock hour, and yes, Coach Holmgren is with us.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Buggy.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Look how good coach looks like?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Got his hoodie on?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
You know, yeah, yeah, normally way to get normally He's
got like a kind of a dressies shirt on. It's
kind of a little more comfort today. But it looked
good in that hoodie. I'll tell you that, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Thank you very much. It's been a long time since
I've seen you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
It's nice to see you in person. Yeah, I enjoyed.
I enjoy hearing you on the radio and talking over
the phone. Yeah, but I'm glad to be here. Good
to see you, especially when it gets a haircut for you. Yeah,
you know, he came in and shake my hand. I said,
and you, who are you again?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
You know your beard has I knew you right away. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
although I did trim it up for you. It's trim.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It is trim. I was just a little more homeless
last week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, Well, good to have you with us. And we
have another blowout to talk about for a second consecutive week.
It's not supposed to look this easy, not in the
National Football League. I mean, if that happens, you know,
in the the big ten Ohio State versus Maryland, you
know we might see a blowout like this. It's not
supposed to be this easy in the new National Football League.
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And yet back to back weeks of sheer dominance.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Coach, Yeah, I mean they're really playing well, and you know,
I would say this just qualified just a little bit.
They had a great game, but Arizona they've got a
lot of work to do, you know, just like Washington,
who they won to meet the week before. But it
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was it was a blowout. You know, I'm in the
office looking at it. Kathy came in, what's the score?
Because it was only halftime. It's thirty eight to sept
She was what, you know, I mean, it was it
was over early. And and hats off to Mike McDonald
and how he's getting them playing and the other of
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the other thing. I just want to say one other
thing he they did. They had some key guys hurt.
You know, they have injury situations, particularly on defense. But
the defense they the next guy and they talk about
the next steps up. And that's what exactly what's happened.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Travis Knight at linebacker, Oh my goodness, what a game
he had, you know, And I mean that's I give
credit to Mike McDonald for that.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Let's let's talk about that in a little bit greater depth.
What as coach to coach? What impresses you about that?
I mean, you know, you know, Tyo Cotta Drake Thomas.
As you know, it seems like those guys are assimilating
in and and you know, playing fast and the recognition
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and what have you. Mike, but maybe just talk from
a coach's perspective about the challenge of having those guys
and as you said, there's no drop off.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I think you excuse me. The I always if
that happened when I was coaching, and I would reference
the offense more than a defense. If you lose, you know,
your quarterback, that has a dramatic effect. I mean, you
say what you want to and you want your next guy.
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They talk about the next guy steps up. It's not
the same. And so when they can do what they
did on defense, Mike's a defense. That's where his emphasis
is on defense, particularly replacing guys like Love, you know,
who was very very key to them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Then it says that in practice and how they how
the young guys deal with it, the focus, how the
coaches are getting them to think, it's not just competition talk.
We're we're not We're not sitting up just talking about competition.
You've got to be ready to play, and they they
are ready, and you don't see that. You don't see
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that very often. Honestly, when you have injuries like that
to a team, you know, they usually don't play. They
can't play at the same level. Yesterday's defense did that.
They played at a really high level.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
You being a kind of an offensive minded guru that
could come up with stuff. I'm sure you're you created
a lot of headaches for opposing defensive coordinators or even defensive.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Minded head coaches.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And yet Hugh kind of was breaking down a couple
of blitz plays that apparently Greg had written a story
earlier about or last night, possibly about there was a
couple of blitzes. The two that turned into those sacks,
scoop and scores were things that they hadn't seen before.
And so when you're watching his defense go up against
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whichever offense it's it is, is it one of those
where you reflect back to, oh man, these are those
type of coaches that created headaches for me as an
opposing head coach.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Yeah, you know what, Yes, to answer your question, Buck, Yeah,
you'd see that and you go I miss that, or
but then then the players listen, you studying the film,
you see something new. But I listened to Hugh's explanation
a little bit on that blitz. He lost me in
the first three minutes, by the way, and talking how
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how it all went. But no, but I you know
how a quarterback has to send the line. If every
I would say this, if every offensive player does what
he's supposed to do, you shouldn't have a guy come clean.
There might be some guy on the outside come clean
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because they have you're outnumbered. But if they break down
like they did, there are mistakes happening on the offensive line.
So yeah, you know, someone might catch you off guard.
But then the quarterback has to throw it quickly somewhere
he knows where the problem is. Then he has to
see it. You had to have a hot receiver available,
and they didn't do that yesterday, and so no, but
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it you know, he creates stuff. I remember going against
Buddy Ryan and the Giants, the New York Giants when
they have Lawrence Jelly and those guys, and you just
knew a Reggie White when he was against me. You
just knew that it was going to be hard. So
you focus in on how you're going to do that,
and your quarterback has to be ready if it down
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to do the right thing and get the ball out
of your hands, don't take the big sack, you know,
play the short game, run the ball more, you know,
if they're really getting to you.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, Mike.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
One thing that intrigues me is is that the idea
of green dogging, you know, the key dogging and you
know Tyrese Knight. They say, look, if that running back,
if he doesn't block, emon, worry who's coming through the
B gap. If he releases, you got to cover him.
But if he does block, then you turn it into
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a blitz like that's and and and that's where you
can get an overload. And you say, well, from a
quarterback perspective, you say, wait a minute, they green dog me.
I didn't have anywhere to go with the ball. I
think that first touchdown on the fumble was very interesting.
I think it really illuminates about football in the following regard.
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You can defend a quarterback on his side of the
line of scrimmage, the offensive side of the line of
scrimmage on how you rush him, or on your side
the defensive side, on how you cover. There's no question
on that touchdown that that Drake Thomas busted the coverage
the middle. He was playing middle linebacker. He buzzed out
and and Trey McBride was running wide open right over
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the middle like a short, shallow cross and uh uh,
and nobody's nobody's covering him. Clearly Seattle busted on that.
So they set gets an f on their coverage for
that reason. But the blitz was so complex that they
were able to get that green dog, get the hand
up and cause the the fumble, and and and so
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they are so good on that side of the line
of scrimmers.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I think that I find that fascinating that that Arizona
would look at that tape and go, oh my god,
we had we were wide open if we could just
get it. But but Sea was so good in their blitz.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, you know, the something you mentioned earlier was that
you had three linemen blocking uh uh, you know, the
Seattle's best, even will Leonard Williams, three of them. And
of course that's it's not supposed to be that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I don't care. It's supposed to how good the guy is.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
You don't do that because they're gonna be guys that
are free, so, uh, you know, those types of things.
And and the other thing I would say is, if
you know they're playing against Brissette. When they played against
uh Taylor Tyler Kyler, Murray Kyler, they he's movement, they
have to rush differently. There's more of a contain kind
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of theory. They knew where Brissette was going to be
and as long as he's in that spot, they can
do a lot of different things over there. So that
played into it as well.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Mike Homberan is with us, and yeah, at one point
he did have Reggie White playing for him. That was
a lot more fun for coach Holmbron, who's with us
here on Monday morning quarterback with Hugh Millen. It's a
good problem to have being up thirty five to nothing
with eight and a half minutes left in the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But how difficult is that to coach.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The rest of the way where you're just trying to
melt clock, not get anybody hurt, but you still have
two and a half quarters you've got to go.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, that's a that's a challenge, you know, And and
to say that you're gonna stay the same revd Up,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
The only other time that I was involved in the
game like that, we were playing the Eagles and he was,
and he was the coach, and we were up forty
to nothing with with you know, right in the third
quarter of the first drive, we scored forty boom. Now,
now I got the second half to play and I
didn't throw another pass. I ran every single play.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
And and you know that wasn't any fun for the
backup guys. They they want to, hey, come on, I'm
a receiver, throw me the ball. But that's what I did.
I said one, I don't I know. They can't score
forty one that one. I know. So let's just get
the game over with. Let's just make it happen faster. Well,
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we're sure, go ahead, go ahead. You no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So, Mike, if you had been on the sidelines there
and you're you're kind of directing, I know you're the
play caller, but let's just say for the sake of
the discussion that Clint Kubiak is your play caller. Would
you get on the headset and say, hey, let's run
it to the tune of just two pass attempts for
the entire second half that Seattle had. Would it be
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that much of a running or would have you tried
to you know, from time to time, just keep things
loosened up. I mean, how would have you handled because
that was that was a that was a very rare
game plan that Seattle had in that second half.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
In that regard, No, I mean when you look at
the if you looked at the numbers, Chuck and I
put those lists together, typically he was ten for twelve
in a game. Now who in the end NFL. In
today's NFL, some guys throw twelve passes in a quarter,
you know, for the whole game. So, but but you
would emphasize, okay, we're gonna we're gonna slow this thing
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down and run it. But then yeah, third and four,
third and five had throw a quick pass. No, I
would not, just although I just said I did it,
now I'm saying now I'm older, wiser. Yeah, I probably
wouldn't have done it that way. I probably would have
thrown the ball a little bit, keep everyone happy. Yeah, well,
I mean maybe part I mean I don't think there.
I think they were just trying to milk the clock
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and get the thing over a fewer plays you can.
You have to run the least chance somebody's gonna get hurt.
But you know, the one negative side was the turnovers.
You know, Sam had a couple or a few of them, actually,
And so I'm wondering, is that do you just chalk
that up to the intensity level dropped.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Because you're up thirty five to zero, or are you
still gonna be really coaching them up on that because
you know, can you know, making sure you take care
of the ball is important.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I think anytime when when you're coaching against turnovers, regardless
of the score, you're going to talk about those things.
You know, when he with the snap from center, yeah
they had it. I think they the center got injured.
They brought in a new center, and you know this.
You know sometimes it's a little different, or they haven't
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taken a snap for a while. You know, it's different. So, yeah, no,
that can't happen. You tell that can't happen. I don't
care what the score is. That can happen. And you
we're still making good decisions throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We're not. We're not putting it up there, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And I think I think in Brissette's case and in
Sam's case, you know, when you get hit, you know
they're trying to throw it, you get hit in the ball,
that there's an interception or something that happened, happens.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Whose fault is that?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I mean, it's not you're not The decision may have
been a good one, but he got hit, you know so,
but you do talk about it and try and correct it. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Greg Bell pointed out to us earlier in the show that,
I mean Sam's only been sacked ten times, and he's
fumbled four times on those sacks. He's got a few
more interceptions. I mean, he's probably not in the top
of the MVP conversation because Matt Stafford's only thrown two
and Drake May's only thrown five so far this year.
So I would ask you both.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll start with, actually, you, Hugh, are we worried?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Are we concerned at all about Sam Darnold's turnovers.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I'm not concerned. First of all, the four fumbles, definitely
one of them against Houston in the end zone. The
fumble there, that's a double minus. That's awful. But if
you go through the four he was looking to his left.
And by the way, on ball security, Mike, you check
me if you don't agree with this. Not all ball
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security is the same. If you're if you're running as
a quarterback. Then then you say, okay, you have to
cover it up like a running back. If you're standing
in the pocket and you're climbing, you have both hands
on the ball, then you have to be strong. But
if you're starting the throwing motion, your hands are going
to separate. And if you're looking to your left and
somebody gets smoked to your right, Like, how do you
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coach a quarterback like he's not he doesn't have the
same standard that ball, he's holding it with one hand,
he's about to throw it. If his arm gets hit,
it's gonna fumble.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Period.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So so the against Bosa, he's looking to his left
and while he's throwing the ball gots dislodged. He had
another one and that was at two point four seconds.
He had another one against the Cardinals where the guy
came around the backside. Uh, you know, three point one seconds.
But but he's throwing it and so if somebody from
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his backside hits his hand, there's not much he can
do about it. As I said, Houston absolutely cannot have that.
And then and then you had yesterday. He was going
to his left. Look, Josh Sweat could have been the
Super Bowl MVP last year.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
In terms of the havoc that he created against Pat Mahomes,
he has a eighty four and eighth inch, which is
ninety fifth percentile of all defensive ends. He reached out,
Sam Donold was looking to his left. He had a
wide open guy who's just gonna throw to him. He
reached out and and he caught Sam one. Sam was throwing.
So the only way you can you can coach Mike
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a quarterback and say, hey, you got a field, don't
throw it if you feel like that's got guy's going
to be there. And sometimes that that's valid. But if
the quarterback's looking the opposite way, he can't be hung
up on on you know, whether or not his hand's
gonna get hit by a guy that he can't see.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
No, And I would agree, I would agree with Hugh
and this jock it's not I don't worry about that
with him. I really don't. You know, And you probably
did this drill eight thousand times. You know, the quarterback
in practice, you go back and there are guys on
both sides with bags, and then you go back, step
up and they're banging you, and then you have to
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you have to learn to then protect the football, and
those are the time you must learn that. You see
his quarterbacks fumble now and they haven't.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
They don't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Well, they come back and they dropping the ball perhaps
in the pocket, but when you get hit like that,
it's not it's not on him.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Typically, did you do that? We were you the guy
that had the rake and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You were trying to poke at it and practice and
all of that stuff. Or did you ever have to
tape the ball to you know, running back's hands. Did
you have to do any of those tricks?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No? I didn't. I didn't. I had Zorn do that.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I'd come out and he'd be having volleyballs and beach
balls and he do all sorts of weird stuff out
there with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But like what he's doing? What is he doing? You know?
All right?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
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Speaker 7 (17:46):
Well, he got a game ball as well as d
Law but teenight specifically, same story. It's you got to
stay ready, how you prepare, and he's playing great football,
you know, Obviously you want to hearn us back as
as soon as possible, but he's showing that he can
go in and play great ball for us and execute.
Both of those were pressures that we haven't ran before,
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and so to be able to go to the next
few those things having not getten all the reps was
some my part stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Pike McDonald talking about to ty Reese Knight and DeMarcus
Lawrence combining for I know we've already touched on this
with coach and Hugh, but I haven't asked you, Coach,
have you ever in your life seen that where two
pretty much identical twin plays occurred on the defensive side
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of the ball that resulted in touchdowns for the same guy.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
No, I have never seen it, And I mentioned it
struck my funny bone. I'm looking at him going, I
just saw that. Are they replaying this and are they
replaying this and showing it again? Because it's exactly the
same and it early in the football game. It's set
the entire tone of the game, I think. And No,
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I've never seen anything like that, you know, and you know,
and Mike listened to Mike's comments right there that he
was he goes we put something new when he alluded
it was new, and he executed beautifully, and the backup
linebacker who was now the starter, came in and did it,
you know, and I sensed maybe it's maybe it's coach
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to coach. I sensed a little there was a little
pride there. There was a little feel good about him
doing that, because I know I did it. All of
a sudden, you throw a touchdown pass. And I don't
mean to mention this to Buck again. But against Denver
when I was with the forty nine ers and I
said that they run this defense, we're gonna throw it,
and George Seffert goes call it, call to play because
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it was a new play we'd never run. I said,
not yet, not yet. I needed to call it. I
need to be at the forty yard line, so get
the safeties to move and we got there. I called it.
It worked, and I tried to be humble. I really did.
But you guys are patting me on the back. Oh no,
it wasn't me. It was Jerry Rice, But no, it
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was me. That was.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, you said earlier the coach McDonald needs to go
up to the podium and said, do you guyalize how
awesome I am.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I know, I don't think you guys appreciate. I don't
think you know football well enough. You know how awesome
I am.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah, let's start talking about my defense out there.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And you know, even when h on the offensive side
of the ball, js n's touchdown, Mike, uh, you know,
you you want to catch that ball ideally in the
end zone so you get a touchdown out of it, right.
You don't want to catch it at the four yard
line and then you know, goal line stand and then
you kick a field goal. Right, But so you can't
be you know, too far and not get to the
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end zone. In an ideal world, you can't be too
close and run out of the back of the end zone.
I mean, all that stuff comes into play, and it
will this Sunday and and just got to get your
your thought on you know here here is the in
a way is the Seahawks grand plan because in the
division and they saw Sean McVay and they saw of
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course Kyle Shanahan, you know, thought to be two of
the brightest you know, if we can use the word
brilliant to describe coaches, and I'm sure you're gonna say,
of course you can, uh, two brilliant coaches in the
in the division and and you say, okay, well we
got to match that. So if we if we can't
get a brilliant offensive guy like Ben Johnson, let's get
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a brilliant defensive.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Guy like Mike McDonald to battle it. This is the
first time you know where you say, wow, this is
there's really something on the line here in that regard, Mike. Uh,
just talk about your thoughts, uh, Mike McDonald then his
defensive acumen versus the uh the offensive brilliance of Sean McVay.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Yeah, that's that's what's gonna make this next game something special.
The uh uh, but give credit to both. You know,
Sean has done a brilliant job with the Rams and
their offense. Now they have a veteran court that I mean,
they have the people there to do what ever he
chooses to do. Mike is I think in Seattle's case,
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they're still, in my opinion, they're still in a building process.
He's new, he's new in town, and he's still and
they're really good right now. But they've bought in. They're
playing with emotion and they're doing good stuff over there. Uh,
the only time Tampa. I don't know what happened in
the Tampa game, but they are really now hitting their peak.
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And the thing I've said it before and I'll say
it again, they're doing it with guys that are substituting
for starters. Not many teams can do that. So he's
getting everybody in that room to understand that, hey, I
expect the same things out of you, even if you're
not the starter right now, you could be the starter tomorrow.
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And getting your team to understand that, and getting the
players to understand that that's something specials he's gifted that way.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Even though I mean, yesterday was different considering, you know,
fourteen of the first twenty one points where with the
with the defense, and yet they still had three touchdowns
to go up there thirty five to zero, and so well,
the offense just kind of took a started just trying
to run the ball out to some degree and get
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the clock running. The offense has been unbelievable, at least
especially for the last six quarters right all the last game,
in the first half of the first game of yesterday's game,
I mean, and so when you're looking at right now,
it doesn't still feel like it's all clicking on all cylinders,
and yet it's one of the more potent offenses out there.
Did you see that coming before the season started?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I had my I can't say I saw it the
way it's going right now, thought I thought, And I
said this, and I say it again, and I although
the offensive line now is kind of starting to gel
because I think one of the commentators said, they haven't.
Those guys have played together now every week, which is important.
Now they lost the center yesterday, know what how serious
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the injury is, but they're they're getting better each week.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I think.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Have we said that? You know, Arizona lost a number
of players during the game injury wise, so they they
lost some stuff to there, but no, they they What
impressed me was there how they played the second half.
They weren't gonna they were gonna work the clock. But
Charbonnet and a Walker you saw things. You saw really
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good things in the running game. I hadn't seen a
lot of up to yesterday, and so in that respect,
it probably will boost everybody's feelings about the run and
what they can do, because yeah, you know they were
gonna do that. Arizona knew they were going to do that. Yes,
they still were able to get some stuff done that way,
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and they ran hard.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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the Packers are playing the Eagles. The Packers maybe you've
heard of them, coach, they tried to get the tush
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push outlawed during the off season. They were individually, they
raised their end, they yelled it from a mountain up.
I want this play out of leg They didn't succeed,
So tonight the Eagles do the tush push, taking on
the Packers who wanted to ban the tush push. But
my question is about how the Seahawks are doing their
tush push. I know Hugh hates the play, but I'm wondering,
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since it is legal, do you both like how the
Seahawks have approached it by putting a two hundred and
fifty pound tight end under center and AJ Barner.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I don't like the tush push, but I think but
what the Seahawks are doing right now, because with I
think it's very effective. I think it worked. I think
it's working. It's worked almost every time. I think, you know,
but no, I don't like to play. I would have voted,
you know, let's not do that, you know, because you're
(26:06):
it's a kind of against what most of the rules
say that you can't push a guy from behind them
and then a regular game, you know. But but they're
doing it, and I think they'll vote on it again.
I believe the league's going to vote on it again,
and it might get thrown out. But I think as
long as you're going to try it and it's working, yeah,
(26:27):
good for them.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
They've done it.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Now I'll let you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Well, now my blood's boil and I'm gonna have to
go take a cold shower. But first of all, it's
not a football play. It's a rugby play in my opinion,
And and and just as a reminder, and I'm gonna
ask I'm gonna aswer your question about Barner as a reminder.
Starting nineteen twenty, the beginning of the league, until two
thousand and five, eighty five years, it was outlawed there.
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It was called aiding the runner, who was a ten
yard penalty. All through my career, most of Mike's coaching career,
it was. It was a penalty. And so if they
if they quote unquote outlaw, in my mind, just pragmatically,
they're just reverting to way football always was. I think
that's an important distinction that you're not. And by the way,
(27:15):
Jeffrey Lewie, the owner of the Eagles, he just needs
seven friends because it takes seventy five percent of the
owners to overturn that rule. Mike, right, you'd know better
than me, you're on the competition committee. But that's my understanding.
As for Barner, Yeah, look, he's stronger than a quarterback.
Is he marginally enough stronger? He was a quarterback in
(27:37):
high school, so I think he's shown himself to be
adept at taking the snap. That would be my biggest
concern right after jump. Can he turn at some point
and give a guy the ball off tackle or on
a fly switches to cross it up. I'm sure he can.
So yeah, it's been successful. So as a Seahawk fan,
I hate the rule, But I don't know that he's
(27:59):
been stopped yet.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Has he I don't remember him having been stopped.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't have the stat in front of it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He certainly was successful two for two yesterday, but I
don't remember him having been stopped on that play.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Now. Now, the thing that bugs me about it, another
thing that because I'm a little bit on you side
on this, is that oftentimes a penalty should be called. Yeah,
and it's not, and all of a sudden, someone out
of the blue will call it. But they should just
about every single time someone is moving someone's off sides,
(28:31):
it should be called.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They're supposed to start cracking down on that. We'll see,
I mean tonight, Monday night football against the team that
wanted it banned. We'll see if the officials call it tighter.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Water is that game in Green Bay? Yes, twenty four degrees?
I know how you missed those. Well, my daughter, who's
the doctor, and she lives in Chicago. She sent me
a picture of last night. Her backyard has a couple
of lounge chairs. There was a foot of snow, a
foot of snow on the lounge chairs. So have fun,
(29:01):
have fun, Green Bay, and have fun you.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
And nobody in the lounds here.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, sure, you don't want a frozen mustache again? Come
on now, just for old time's sake. Yeah, all right,
One final segment, One last thing, next on Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, Vinyl segment, we
(29:32):
got to every one last thing. I do have some
breaking news. The Giants have fired head coach Brian Dable.
Very interesting. I mean, why they didn't do this in
the offseason. And then Jackson Darts having a really good
rookie year under him. He's supposed to be a quarterback guy,
and yet he's had four concussions already this year. So
I don't know if they're blaming him for that. I
don't know what's going on, but Brian Dable is out as.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Head coach of the New York Giants. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
I thought maybe that would have happened during the off season. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
I think it's surprising though, because John Marra, who I know,
who owns the Giants, he doesn't usually do things like that.
He'll wait. If he's gonna do it, he'll wait. And
but yeah, I could you can kind of see it coming.
Here's a big fan of Brian Dable really is really
enjoying them.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, he had that night when the Seahawks were playing them.
Do you remember Dan Jones had I think eleven sacks
in that game, and at one point, Dabell comes over
and finally Daniel Jones. I don't know if he threw
an interception or he did something bad. And dabel comes
over and he's standing there looking at at his Microsoft
surface and he's got this disgusted look on his face,
(30:48):
and right in front of Daniel Jones, he just Frisbee's
Microsoft surface like I'm so disgusted, and you know, and
Daniel Jones just hey, chin up, eyes up, chest up,
like didn't didn't phase him. And look, I absolutely think,
Mike that the order is My dad was in the army,
Like there's a there. You have the chain of command there.
(31:08):
The coaches are up here and the players are down here.
I absolutely believe in that. So so uh, you know,
the players you just do what you're told.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think it's really weak of a head coach in
that manner when his quarterback is getting the ever loving
crap beat out of him, in large part because of
his lousy schemes, I might add, and that he's going
to show up like if if a quarterback did that
to a coach, it would make national news. And I
don't think a quarterback or any players ever should, But
(31:42):
I also think what Dabo did on that occasion, and
it was on was it Monday Night Football or Sunday
Night Football, But but he showed up his quarterback and
national TV when his quarterback was getting the crap beat
out of him, and that that was the final nail
for me as a fan on Brian Dabo. What's your
thoughts on how that transpired?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Yeah, I would, you know, I'm against that. I I
talked all the time about coming from mutual respect. I mean,
you can get mad, but get you can not do that.
And plus he's the leader his teammates. I'll see him
see that happen. It's not good. It's not good. And
you know what, when I was in Cleveland, Brian was
there and it was the offensive coordinator and we had
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Colt McCoy as a rookie and then our number one
quarterback got hurt, so Colt had to play. And what
Brian did to him during practice, I go and I
had to go in a couple of times and I'd say, hey,
you're you're not helping, You're you're you're this guy's a
young rookie. You got to you know, you know, so
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you know, he had a little bit of a temper,
and I think, yeah, you can't treat your quarterback that way.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
All right, we got to rifle through this one last
thing for coach Bucky Well.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I mean there's seven one, seven of the last eight.
Robbie obviously rolling right now first place and got the
biggest game coming up against the Rams. How do you
just kind of get these guys to make sure. I
don't think they should have an issue getting focused for
first place in the division. But it's like when things
are going well. We watched the Buffalo Bills, for example,
just lay an egg against Miami yesterday. It's like, to me,
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it gives credence to good coaching, good leadership inside the
locker room of how do you get your guys to
stay focused on the task at hand when things are
going well and don't get complacent.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, I think Mike McDonald will will approach it the
same way he always does, but he'll interject little little
things during the week to emphasize, you know, this game
now is this is different. This is the two teams
that are tied. This could set the tone for the
rest of the season. So you got to do something
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and the player, you're right, buck. The players do know,
but then you poke them a little bit and you
make sure that they it's they're right up there.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
As a how are they gonna play here? Uh? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
While we were talking about Sam Donald and the and
the turnovers, Mike, let's let's go back to that interception
off the two yard line, off the helmet. And it's
my experience that in a quarterback meeting room, if you
think if the coach thinks the quarterback made a mistake,
then quarterbacks say, fine, I'm a big boy, tell me
it's all my fault. I'm just tell me what I
(34:21):
should have done different. And on that play, it's play
action and you watch the end zone copy. Sam Donald
does not take a hitch step is his footwork is perfect.
You can see it's wide open. He's hitting a little
glance route. Mike, inside, it's gonna be wide open. It's
gonna be a completion. The problem is that it's a
five down line and instead of going five down because
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they're play action, you got AJ Barner who's in an
off position. Guys, so the sea gap is going to
open up when the right tackle blocks down in towards
the ball, and AJ Barner just allowed the linebacker to
cross his face and he got blown up. The NFL
calculated at two point one seconds the ball was gone
(35:04):
and uh, you know, it ends up going off of
Barnard's helmet because he got stoned all the way to
the back. That's a that's a double minus f by
the tight end. It's a tough block because sometimes the
tackle fan out in a five down. But but but
it's certainly I would have zero fault on the quarterback.
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And I mean zero. Do you see it any differently.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
No, And it reminds me not at all. It reminds
me when I was at SC and I went into
the game, you know, and O. J. Simpson was the
running back, and we ran a little half back option play.
I can complete that in my sleep, you know. And
so I dropped back throw the ball. He falls down.
He slipped and fell. So the linebacker, linebacker from Washington,
(35:48):
receps the ball. I had to make my one tackle
in college. I tackled him. I thought, oh, but that
wasn't my fault. Yet I got yellow. Yet I got
yelled out.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
You know, like I made many many more tackles than you.
I've got you in the tackle.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Departments and I grew up together in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
It was his fault, all right. I want to close
with this.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I do want to get it in. Paul Tagliabu, Lenny
Wilkins passed over the week, and any thoughts.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Yeah, I had both of those men. I had the
privilege of knowing them and doing some things with him,
Lenny in Seattle and raising money and things like that.
And Paul was the commissioner when I was with the
Packers and so on, and he did some great things
for me, you know, and and saved me some money
because I was going to be fined for what I
(36:40):
said about Pittsburgh or the Super Bowl, criticizing officials, and
all the people in the New York office ran into
his office and said, you got you can't let him
get away with that. You got to find him. And
the fine would have been two hundred and fifty large,
and it was kind of it was kind of thrown
out there. And then at the league meetings he came
up and in the front of everybody, he said, I'm
(37:03):
not gonna I can't do that, you know. Uh, he's
been and he said some nice things about what I'd
done in the league and and Uh, I'm always thank
him for that. He was a good guy, smart and
did a lot for the league. Yeah, league really grew
with him at the Helm, There's no question about it.
Uh so yeah. So anyway, so uh Paul Tagley Boo.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Passed yesterday, but uh yeah he did.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And the officials didn't do anything wrong that day, by
the way, did they?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Is anyone listening or find my mic on? Is it on?
Is it on?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
I'll just tell you and you and.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
He really covered for you because they did a fine.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Oh they were great. That was the greatest game. You
google that game online. They say it was the greatest
game ever officiated.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Nod.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
All right, gentlemen. Awesome stuff. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
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Holmgrin and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuckin' buck High.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Nine o'clock hour, and yes, Coach Holmgren is with us.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Buggy.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Look how good coach looks like?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Got his hoodie on?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
You know, yeah, yeah, normally way to get normally He's
got like a kind of a dressies shirt on. It's
kind of a little more comfort today. But it looked
good in that hoodie. I'll tell you that, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Thank you very much. It's been a long time since
I've seen you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
It's nice to see you in person. Yeah, I enjoyed.
I enjoy hearing you on the radio and talking over
the phone. Yeah, but I'm glad to be here. Good
to see you, especially when it gets a haircut for you. Yeah,
you know, he came in and shake my hand. I said,
and you, who are you again?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
You know your beard has I knew you right away. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
although I did trim it up for you. It's trim.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It is trim. I was just a little more homeless
last week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, Well, good to have you with us. And we
have another blowout to talk about for a second consecutive week.
It's not supposed to look this easy, not in the
National Football League. I mean, if that happens, you know,
in the the big ten Ohio State versus Maryland, you
know we might see a blowout like this. It's not
supposed to be this easy in the new National Football League.
(02:01):
And yet back to back weeks of sheer dominance.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Coach, Yeah, I mean they're really playing well, and you know,
I would say this just qualified just a little bit.
They had a great game, but Arizona they've got a
lot of work to do, you know, just like Washington,
who they won to meet the week before. But it
(02:25):
was it was a blowout. You know, I'm in the
office looking at it. Kathy came in, what's the score?
Because it was only halftime. It's thirty eight to sept
She was what, you know, I mean, it was it
was over early. And and hats off to Mike McDonald
and how he's getting them playing and the other of
(02:46):
the other thing. I just want to say one other
thing he they did. They had some key guys hurt.
You know, they have injury situations, particularly on defense. But
the defense they the next guy and they talk about
the next steps up. And that's what exactly what's happened.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Travis Knight at linebacker, Oh my goodness, what a game
he had, you know, And I mean that's I give
credit to Mike McDonald for that.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Let's let's talk about that in a little bit greater depth.
What as coach to coach? What impresses you about that?
I mean, you know, you know, Tyo Cotta Drake Thomas.
As you know, it seems like those guys are assimilating
in and and you know, playing fast and the recognition
(03:33):
and what have you. Mike, but maybe just talk from
a coach's perspective about the challenge of having those guys
and as you said, there's no drop off.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I think you excuse me. The I always if
that happened when I was coaching, and I would reference
the offense more than a defense. If you lose, you know,
your quarterback, that has a dramatic effect. I mean, you
say what you want to and you want your next guy.
(04:01):
They talk about the next guy steps up. It's not
the same. And so when they can do what they
did on defense, Mike's a defense. That's where his emphasis
is on defense, particularly replacing guys like Love, you know,
who was very very key to them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Then it says that in practice and how they how
the young guys deal with it, the focus, how the
coaches are getting them to think, it's not just competition talk.
We're we're not We're not sitting up just talking about competition.
You've got to be ready to play, and they they
are ready, and you don't see that. You don't see
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that very often. Honestly, when you have injuries like that
to a team, you know, they usually don't play. They
can't play at the same level. Yesterday's defense did that.
They played at a really high level.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
You being a kind of an offensive minded guru that
could come up with stuff. I'm sure you're you created
a lot of headaches for opposing defensive coordinators or even defensive.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Minded head coaches.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And yet Hugh kind of was breaking down a couple
of blitz plays that apparently Greg had written a story
earlier about or last night, possibly about there was a
couple of blitzes. The two that turned into those sacks,
scoop and scores were things that they hadn't seen before.
And so when you're watching his defense go up against
(05:26):
whichever offense it's it is, is it one of those
where you reflect back to, oh man, these are those
type of coaches that created headaches for me as an
opposing head coach.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Yeah, you know what, Yes, to answer your question, Buck, Yeah,
you'd see that and you go I miss that, or
but then then the players listen, you studying the film,
you see something new. But I listened to Hugh's explanation
a little bit on that blitz. He lost me in
the first three minutes, by the way, and talking how
(05:58):
how it all went. But no, but I you know
how a quarterback has to send the line. If every
I would say this, if every offensive player does what
he's supposed to do, you shouldn't have a guy come clean.
There might be some guy on the outside come clean
(06:18):
because they have you're outnumbered. But if they break down
like they did, there are mistakes happening on the offensive line.
So yeah, you know, someone might catch you off guard.
But then the quarterback has to throw it quickly somewhere
he knows where the problem is. Then he has to
see it. You had to have a hot receiver available,
and they didn't do that yesterday, and so no, but
(06:40):
it you know, he creates stuff. I remember going against
Buddy Ryan and the Giants, the New York Giants when
they have Lawrence Jelly and those guys, and you just
knew a Reggie White when he was against me. You
just knew that it was going to be hard. So
you focus in on how you're going to do that,
and your quarterback has to be ready if it down
(07:01):
to do the right thing and get the ball out
of your hands, don't take the big sack, you know,
play the short game, run the ball more, you know,
if they're really getting to you.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, Mike.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
One thing that intrigues me is is that the idea
of green dogging, you know, the key dogging and you
know Tyrese Knight. They say, look, if that running back,
if he doesn't block, emon, worry who's coming through the
B gap. If he releases, you got to cover him.
But if he does block, then you turn it into
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a blitz like that's and and and that's where you
can get an overload. And you say, well, from a
quarterback perspective, you say, wait a minute, they green dog me.
I didn't have anywhere to go with the ball. I
think that first touchdown on the fumble was very interesting.
I think it really illuminates about football in the following regard.
(07:56):
You can defend a quarterback on his side of the
line of scrimmage, the offensive side of the line of
scrimmage on how you rush him, or on your side
the defensive side, on how you cover. There's no question
on that touchdown that that Drake Thomas busted the coverage
the middle. He was playing middle linebacker. He buzzed out
and and Trey McBride was running wide open right over
(08:17):
the middle like a short, shallow cross and uh uh,
and nobody's nobody's covering him. Clearly Seattle busted on that.
So they set gets an f on their coverage for
that reason. But the blitz was so complex that they
were able to get that green dog, get the hand
up and cause the the fumble, and and and so
(08:38):
they are so good on that side of the line
of scrimmers.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I think that I find that fascinating that that Arizona
would look at that tape and go, oh my god,
we had we were wide open if we could just
get it. But but Sea was so good in their blitz.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, you know, the something you mentioned earlier was that
you had three linemen blocking uh uh, you know, the
Seattle's best, even will Leonard Williams, three of them. And
of course that's it's not supposed to be that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I don't care. It's supposed to how good the guy is.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
You don't do that because they're gonna be guys that
are free, so, uh, you know, those types of things.
And and the other thing I would say is, if
you know they're playing against Brissette. When they played against
uh Taylor Tyler Kyler, Murray Kyler, they he's movement, they
have to rush differently. There's more of a contain kind
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of theory. They knew where Brissette was going to be
and as long as he's in that spot, they can
do a lot of different things over there. So that
played into it as well.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Mike Homberan is with us, and yeah, at one point
he did have Reggie White playing for him. That was
a lot more fun for coach Holmbron, who's with us
here on Monday morning quarterback with Hugh Millen. It's a
good problem to have being up thirty five to nothing
with eight and a half minutes left in the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But how difficult is that to coach.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The rest of the way where you're just trying to
melt clock, not get anybody hurt, but you still have
two and a half quarters you've got to go.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, that's a that's a challenge, you know, And and
to say that you're gonna stay the same revd Up,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
The only other time that I was involved in the
game like that, we were playing the Eagles and he was,
and he was the coach, and we were up forty
to nothing with with you know, right in the third
quarter of the first drive, we scored forty boom. Now,
now I got the second half to play and I
didn't throw another pass. I ran every single play.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
And and you know that wasn't any fun for the
backup guys. They they want to, hey, come on, I'm
a receiver, throw me the ball. But that's what I did.
I said one, I don't I know. They can't score
forty one that one. I know. So let's just get
the game over with. Let's just make it happen faster. Well,
(11:07):
we're sure, go ahead, go ahead. You no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So, Mike, if you had been on the sidelines there
and you're you're kind of directing, I know you're the
play caller, but let's just say for the sake of
the discussion that Clint Kubiak is your play caller. Would
you get on the headset and say, hey, let's run
it to the tune of just two pass attempts for
the entire second half that Seattle had. Would it be
(11:34):
that much of a running or would have you tried
to you know, from time to time, just keep things
loosened up. I mean, how would have you handled because
that was that was a that was a very rare
game plan that Seattle had in that second half.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
In that regard, No, I mean when you look at
the if you looked at the numbers, Chuck and I
put those lists together, typically he was ten for twelve
in a game. Now who in the end NFL. In
today's NFL, some guys throw twelve passes in a quarter,
you know, for the whole game. So, but but you
would emphasize, okay, we're gonna we're gonna slow this thing
(12:10):
down and run it. But then yeah, third and four,
third and five had throw a quick pass. No, I
would not, just although I just said I did it,
now I'm saying now I'm older, wiser. Yeah, I probably
wouldn't have done it that way. I probably would have
thrown the ball a little bit, keep everyone happy. Yeah, well,
I mean maybe part I mean I don't think there.
I think they were just trying to milk the clock
(12:30):
and get the thing over a fewer plays you can.
You have to run the least chance somebody's gonna get hurt.
But you know, the one negative side was the turnovers.
You know, Sam had a couple or a few of them, actually,
And so I'm wondering, is that do you just chalk
that up to the intensity level dropped.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Because you're up thirty five to zero, or are you
still gonna be really coaching them up on that because
you know, can you know, making sure you take care
of the ball is important.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I think anytime when when you're coaching against turnovers, regardless
of the score, you're going to talk about those things.
You know, when he with the snap from center, yeah
they had it. I think they the center got injured.
They brought in a new center, and you know this.
You know sometimes it's a little different, or they haven't
(13:22):
taken a snap for a while. You know, it's different. So, yeah, no,
that can't happen. You tell that can't happen. I don't
care what the score is. That can happen. And you
we're still making good decisions throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We're not. We're not putting it up there, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And I think I think in Brissette's case and in
Sam's case, you know, when you get hit, you know
they're trying to throw it, you get hit in the ball,
that there's an interception or something that happened, happens.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Whose fault is that?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I mean, it's not you're not The decision may have
been a good one, but he got hit, you know so,
but you do talk about it and try and correct it. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Greg Bell pointed out to us earlier in the show that,
I mean Sam's only been sacked ten times, and he's
fumbled four times on those sacks. He's got a few
more interceptions. I mean, he's probably not in the top
of the MVP conversation because Matt Stafford's only thrown two
and Drake May's only thrown five so far this year.
So I would ask you both.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll start with, actually, you, Hugh, are we worried?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Are we concerned at all about Sam Darnold's turnovers.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I'm not concerned. First of all, the four fumbles, definitely
one of them against Houston in the end zone. The
fumble there, that's a double minus. That's awful. But if
you go through the four he was looking to his left.
And by the way, on ball security, Mike, you check
me if you don't agree with this. Not all ball
(14:43):
security is the same. If you're if you're running as
a quarterback. Then then you say, okay, you have to
cover it up like a running back. If you're standing
in the pocket and you're climbing, you have both hands
on the ball, then you have to be strong. But
if you're starting the throwing motion, your hands are going
to separate. And if you're looking to your left and
somebody gets smoked to your right, Like, how do you
(15:06):
coach a quarterback like he's not he doesn't have the
same standard that ball, he's holding it with one hand,
he's about to throw it. If his arm gets hit,
it's gonna fumble.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Period.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So so the against Bosa, he's looking to his left
and while he's throwing the ball gots dislodged. He had
another one and that was at two point four seconds.
He had another one against the Cardinals where the guy
came around the backside. Uh, you know, three point one seconds.
But but he's throwing it and so if somebody from
(15:39):
his backside hits his hand, there's not much he can
do about it. As I said, Houston absolutely cannot have that.
And then and then you had yesterday. He was going
to his left. Look, Josh Sweat could have been the
Super Bowl MVP last year.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
In terms of the havoc that he created against Pat Mahomes,
he has a eighty four and eighth inch, which is
ninety fifth percentile of all defensive ends. He reached out,
Sam Donold was looking to his left. He had a
wide open guy who's just gonna throw to him. He
reached out and and he caught Sam one. Sam was throwing.
So the only way you can you can coach Mike
(16:16):
a quarterback and say, hey, you got a field, don't
throw it if you feel like that's got guy's going
to be there. And sometimes that that's valid. But if
the quarterback's looking the opposite way, he can't be hung
up on on you know, whether or not his hand's
gonna get hit by a guy that he can't see.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
No, And I would agree, I would agree with Hugh
and this jock it's not I don't worry about that
with him. I really don't. You know, And you probably
did this drill eight thousand times. You know, the quarterback
in practice, you go back and there are guys on
both sides with bags, and then you go back, step
up and they're banging you, and then you have to
(16:55):
you have to learn to then protect the football, and
those are the time you must learn that. You see
his quarterbacks fumble now and they haven't.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
They don't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Well, they come back and they dropping the ball perhaps
in the pocket, but when you get hit like that,
it's not it's not on him.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Typically, did you do that? We were you the guy
that had the rake and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You were trying to poke at it and practice and
all of that stuff. Or did you ever have to
tape the ball to you know, running back's hands. Did
you have to do any of those tricks?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No? I didn't. I didn't. I had Zorn do that.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I'd come out and he'd be having volleyballs and beach
balls and he do all sorts of weird stuff out
there with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But like what he's doing? What is he doing? You know?
All right?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Mike O, I'm Rinn and Hugh Millan with us Monday
morning quarterback. We got a lot more ground to cover,
so we'll get to it next. Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 7 (17:46):
Well, he got a game ball as well as d
Law but teenight specifically, same story. It's you got to
stay ready, how you prepare, and he's playing great football,
you know, Obviously you want to hearn us back as
as soon as possible, but he's showing that he can
go in and play great ball for us and execute.
Both of those were pressures that we haven't ran before,
(18:07):
and so to be able to go to the next
few those things having not getten all the reps was
some my part stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Pike McDonald talking about to ty Reese Knight and DeMarcus
Lawrence combining for I know we've already touched on this
with coach and Hugh, but I haven't asked you, Coach,
have you ever in your life seen that where two
pretty much identical twin plays occurred on the defensive side
(18:34):
of the ball that resulted in touchdowns for the same guy.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
No, I have never seen it, And I mentioned it
struck my funny bone. I'm looking at him going, I
just saw that. Are they replaying this and are they
replaying this and showing it again? Because it's exactly the
same and it early in the football game. It's set
the entire tone of the game, I think. And No,
(18:59):
I've never seen anything like that, you know, and you know,
and Mike listened to Mike's comments right there that he
was he goes we put something new when he alluded
it was new, and he executed beautifully, and the backup
linebacker who was now the starter, came in and did it,
you know, and I sensed maybe it's maybe it's coach
(19:21):
to coach. I sensed a little there was a little
pride there. There was a little feel good about him
doing that, because I know I did it. All of
a sudden, you throw a touchdown pass. And I don't
mean to mention this to Buck again. But against Denver
when I was with the forty nine ers and I
said that they run this defense, we're gonna throw it,
and George Seffert goes call it, call to play because
(19:42):
it was a new play we'd never run. I said,
not yet, not yet. I needed to call it. I
need to be at the forty yard line, so get
the safeties to move and we got there. I called it.
It worked, and I tried to be humble. I really did.
But you guys are patting me on the back. Oh no,
it wasn't me. It was Jerry Rice, But no, it
(20:03):
was me. That was.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, you said earlier the coach McDonald needs to go
up to the podium and said, do you guyalize how
awesome I am.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I know, I don't think you guys appreciate. I don't
think you know football well enough. You know how awesome
I am.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah, let's start talking about my defense out there.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And you know, even when h on the offensive side
of the ball, js n's touchdown, Mike, uh, you know,
you you want to catch that ball ideally in the
end zone so you get a touchdown out of it, right.
You don't want to catch it at the four yard
line and then you know, goal line stand and then
you kick a field goal. Right, But so you can't
be you know, too far and not get to the
(20:41):
end zone. In an ideal world, you can't be too
close and run out of the back of the end zone.
I mean, all that stuff comes into play, and it
will this Sunday and and just got to get your
your thought on you know here here is the in
a way is the Seahawks grand plan because in the
division and they saw Sean McVay and they saw of
(21:03):
course Kyle Shanahan, you know, thought to be two of
the brightest you know, if we can use the word
brilliant to describe coaches, and I'm sure you're gonna say,
of course you can, uh, two brilliant coaches in the
in the division and and you say, okay, well we
got to match that. So if we if we can't
get a brilliant offensive guy like Ben Johnson, let's get
(21:23):
a brilliant defensive.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Guy like Mike McDonald to battle it. This is the
first time you know where you say, wow, this is
there's really something on the line here in that regard, Mike. Uh,
just talk about your thoughts, uh, Mike McDonald then his
defensive acumen versus the uh the offensive brilliance of Sean McVay.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Yeah, that's that's what's gonna make this next game something special.
The uh uh, but give credit to both. You know,
Sean has done a brilliant job with the Rams and
their offense. Now they have a veteran court that I mean,
they have the people there to do what ever he
chooses to do. Mike is I think in Seattle's case,
(22:05):
they're still, in my opinion, they're still in a building process.
He's new, he's new in town, and he's still and
they're really good right now. But they've bought in. They're
playing with emotion and they're doing good stuff over there. Uh,
the only time Tampa. I don't know what happened in
the Tampa game, but they are really now hitting their peak.
(22:27):
And the thing I've said it before and I'll say
it again, they're doing it with guys that are substituting
for starters. Not many teams can do that. So he's
getting everybody in that room to understand that, hey, I
expect the same things out of you, even if you're
not the starter right now, you could be the starter tomorrow.
(22:49):
And getting your team to understand that, and getting the
players to understand that that's something specials he's gifted that way.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Even though I mean, yesterday was different considering, you know,
fourteen of the first twenty one points where with the
with the defense, and yet they still had three touchdowns
to go up there thirty five to zero, and so well,
the offense just kind of took a started just trying
to run the ball out to some degree and get
(23:16):
the clock running. The offense has been unbelievable, at least
especially for the last six quarters right all the last game,
in the first half of the first game of yesterday's game,
I mean, and so when you're looking at right now,
it doesn't still feel like it's all clicking on all cylinders,
and yet it's one of the more potent offenses out there.
Did you see that coming before the season started?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I had my I can't say I saw it the
way it's going right now, thought I thought, And I
said this, and I say it again, and I although
the offensive line now is kind of starting to gel
because I think one of the commentators said, they haven't.
Those guys have played together now every week, which is important.
Now they lost the center yesterday, know what how serious
(24:00):
the injury is, but they're they're getting better each week.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I think.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Have we said that? You know, Arizona lost a number
of players during the game injury wise, so they they
lost some stuff to there, but no, they they What
impressed me was there how they played the second half.
They weren't gonna they were gonna work the clock. But
Charbonnet and a Walker you saw things. You saw really
(24:28):
good things in the running game. I hadn't seen a
lot of up to yesterday, and so in that respect,
it probably will boost everybody's feelings about the run and
what they can do, because yeah, you know they were
gonna do that. Arizona knew they were going to do that. Yes,
they still were able to get some stuff done that way,
(24:49):
and they ran hard.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Mike Holmgren is though with US. Hugh Millan with US
Monday Morning Quarterback Coaches Portion brought to you by Toyota
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the Packers are playing the Eagles. The Packers maybe you've
heard of them, coach, they tried to get the tush
(25:12):
push outlawed during the off season. They were individually, they
raised their end, they yelled it from a mountain up.
I want this play out of leg They didn't succeed,
So tonight the Eagles do the tush push, taking on
the Packers who wanted to ban the tush push. But
my question is about how the Seahawks are doing their
tush push. I know Hugh hates the play, but I'm wondering,
(25:35):
since it is legal, do you both like how the
Seahawks have approached it by putting a two hundred and
fifty pound tight end under center and AJ Barner.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I don't like the tush push, but I think but
what the Seahawks are doing right now, because with I
think it's very effective. I think it worked. I think
it's working. It's worked almost every time. I think, you know,
but no, I don't like to play. I would have voted,
you know, let's not do that, you know, because you're
(26:06):
it's a kind of against what most of the rules
say that you can't push a guy from behind them
and then a regular game, you know. But but they're
doing it, and I think they'll vote on it again.
I believe the league's going to vote on it again,
and it might get thrown out. But I think as
long as you're going to try it and it's working, yeah,
(26:27):
good for them.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
They've done it.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Now I'll let you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Well, now my blood's boil and I'm gonna have to
go take a cold shower. But first of all, it's
not a football play. It's a rugby play in my opinion,
And and and just as a reminder, and I'm gonna
ask I'm gonna aswer your question about Barner as a reminder.
Starting nineteen twenty, the beginning of the league, until two
thousand and five, eighty five years, it was outlawed there.
(26:54):
It was called aiding the runner, who was a ten
yard penalty. All through my career, most of Mike's coaching career,
it was. It was a penalty. And so if they
if they quote unquote outlaw, in my mind, just pragmatically,
they're just reverting to way football always was. I think
that's an important distinction that you're not. And by the way,
(27:15):
Jeffrey Lewie, the owner of the Eagles, he just needs
seven friends because it takes seventy five percent of the
owners to overturn that rule. Mike, right, you'd know better
than me, you're on the competition committee. But that's my understanding.
As for Barner, Yeah, look, he's stronger than a quarterback.
Is he marginally enough stronger? He was a quarterback in
(27:37):
high school, so I think he's shown himself to be
adept at taking the snap. That would be my biggest
concern right after jump. Can he turn at some point
and give a guy the ball off tackle or on
a fly switches to cross it up. I'm sure he can.
So yeah, it's been successful. So as a Seahawk fan,
I hate the rule, But I don't know that he's
(27:59):
been stopped yet.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Has he I don't remember him having been stopped.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't have the stat in front of it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He certainly was successful two for two yesterday, but I
don't remember him having been stopped on that play.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Now. Now, the thing that bugs me about it, another
thing that because I'm a little bit on you side
on this, is that oftentimes a penalty should be called. Yeah,
and it's not, and all of a sudden, someone out
of the blue will call it. But they should just
about every single time someone is moving someone's off sides,
(28:31):
it should be called.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They're supposed to start cracking down on that. We'll see,
I mean tonight, Monday night football against the team that
wanted it banned. We'll see if the officials call it tighter.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Water is that game in Green Bay? Yes, twenty four degrees?
I know how you missed those. Well, my daughter, who's
the doctor, and she lives in Chicago. She sent me
a picture of last night. Her backyard has a couple
of lounge chairs. There was a foot of snow, a
foot of snow on the lounge chairs. So have fun,
(29:01):
have fun, Green Bay, and have fun you.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
And nobody in the lounds here.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, sure, you don't want a frozen mustache again? Come
on now, just for old time's sake. Yeah, all right,
One final segment, One last thing, next on Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, Vinyl segment, we
(29:32):
got to every one last thing. I do have some
breaking news. The Giants have fired head coach Brian Dable.
Very interesting. I mean, why they didn't do this in
the offseason. And then Jackson Darts having a really good
rookie year under him. He's supposed to be a quarterback guy,
and yet he's had four concussions already this year. So
I don't know if they're blaming him for that. I
don't know what's going on, but Brian Dable is out as.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Head coach of the New York Giants. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
I thought maybe that would have happened during the off season. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
I think it's surprising though, because John Marra, who I know,
who owns the Giants, he doesn't usually do things like that.
He'll wait. If he's gonna do it, he'll wait. And
but yeah, I could you can kind of see it coming.
Here's a big fan of Brian Dable really is really
enjoying them.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Well, he had that night when the Seahawks were playing them.
Do you remember Dan Jones had I think eleven sacks
in that game, and at one point, Dabell comes over
and finally Daniel Jones. I don't know if he threw
an interception or he did something bad. And dabel comes
over and he's standing there looking at at his Microsoft
surface and he's got this disgusted look on his face,
(30:48):
and right in front of Daniel Jones, he just Frisbee's
Microsoft surface like I'm so disgusted, and you know, and
Daniel Jones just hey, chin up, eyes up, chest up,
like didn't didn't phase him. And look, I absolutely think,
Mike that the order is My dad was in the army,
Like there's a there. You have the chain of command there.
(31:08):
The coaches are up here and the players are down here.
I absolutely believe in that. So so uh, you know,
the players you just do what you're told.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think it's really weak of a head coach in
that manner when his quarterback is getting the ever loving
crap beat out of him, in large part because of
his lousy schemes, I might add, and that he's going
to show up like if if a quarterback did that
to a coach, it would make national news. And I
don't think a quarterback or any players ever should, But
(31:42):
I also think what Dabo did on that occasion, and
it was on was it Monday Night Football or Sunday
Night Football, But but he showed up his quarterback and
national TV when his quarterback was getting the crap beat
out of him, and that that was the final nail
for me as a fan on Brian Dabo. What's your
thoughts on how that transpired?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Yeah, I would, you know, I'm against that. I I
talked all the time about coming from mutual respect. I mean,
you can get mad, but get you can not do that.
And plus he's the leader his teammates. I'll see him
see that happen. It's not good. It's not good. And
you know what, when I was in Cleveland, Brian was
there and it was the offensive coordinator and we had
(32:22):
Colt McCoy as a rookie and then our number one
quarterback got hurt, so Colt had to play. And what
Brian did to him during practice, I go and I
had to go in a couple of times and I'd say, hey,
you're you're not helping, You're you're you're this guy's a
young rookie. You got to you know, you know, so
(32:43):
you know, he had a little bit of a temper,
and I think, yeah, you can't treat your quarterback that way.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
All right, we got to rifle through this one last
thing for coach Bucky Well.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I mean there's seven one, seven of the last eight.
Robbie obviously rolling right now first place and got the
biggest game coming up against the Rams. How do you
just kind of get these guys to make sure. I
don't think they should have an issue getting focused for
first place in the division. But it's like when things
are going well. We watched the Buffalo Bills, for example,
just lay an egg against Miami yesterday. It's like, to me,
(33:16):
it gives credence to good coaching, good leadership inside the
locker room of how do you get your guys to
stay focused on the task at hand when things are
going well and don't get complacent.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, I think Mike McDonald will will approach it the
same way he always does, but he'll interject little little
things during the week to emphasize, you know, this game
now is this is different. This is the two teams
that are tied. This could set the tone for the
rest of the season. So you got to do something
(33:48):
and the player, you're right, buck. The players do know,
but then you poke them a little bit and you
make sure that they it's they're right up there.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
As a how are they gonna play here? Uh? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
While we were talking about Sam Donald and the and
the turnovers, Mike, let's let's go back to that interception
off the two yard line, off the helmet. And it's
my experience that in a quarterback meeting room, if you
think if the coach thinks the quarterback made a mistake,
then quarterbacks say, fine, I'm a big boy, tell me
it's all my fault. I'm just tell me what I
(34:21):
should have done different. And on that play, it's play
action and you watch the end zone copy. Sam Donald
does not take a hitch step is his footwork is perfect.
You can see it's wide open. He's hitting a little
glance route. Mike, inside, it's gonna be wide open. It's
gonna be a completion. The problem is that it's a
five down line and instead of going five down because
(34:43):
they're play action, you got AJ Barner who's in an
off position. Guys, so the sea gap is going to
open up when the right tackle blocks down in towards
the ball, and AJ Barner just allowed the linebacker to
cross his face and he got blown up. The NFL
calculated at two point one seconds the ball was gone
(35:04):
and uh, you know, it ends up going off of
Barnard's helmet because he got stoned all the way to
the back. That's a that's a double minus f by
the tight end. It's a tough block because sometimes the
tackle fan out in a five down. But but but
it's certainly I would have zero fault on the quarterback.
(35:24):
And I mean zero. Do you see it any differently.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
No, And it reminds me not at all. It reminds
me when I was at SC and I went into
the game, you know, and O. J. Simpson was the
running back, and we ran a little half back option play.
I can complete that in my sleep, you know. And
so I dropped back throw the ball. He falls down.
He slipped and fell. So the linebacker, linebacker from Washington,
(35:48):
receps the ball. I had to make my one tackle
in college. I tackled him. I thought, oh, but that
wasn't my fault. Yet I got yellow. Yet I got
yelled out.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
You know, like I made many many more tackles than you.
I've got you in the tackle.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Departments and I grew up together in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
It was his fault, all right. I want to close
with this.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I do want to get it in. Paul Tagliabu, Lenny
Wilkins passed over the week, and any thoughts.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Yeah, I had both of those men. I had the
privilege of knowing them and doing some things with him,
Lenny in Seattle and raising money and things like that.
And Paul was the commissioner when I was with the
Packers and so on, and he did some great things
for me, you know, and and saved me some money
because I was going to be fined for what I
(36:40):
said about Pittsburgh or the Super Bowl, criticizing officials, and
all the people in the New York office ran into
his office and said, you got you can't let him
get away with that. You got to find him. And
the fine would have been two hundred and fifty large,
and it was kind of it was kind of thrown
out there. And then at the league meetings he came
up and in the front of everybody, he said, I'm
(37:03):
not gonna I can't do that, you know. Uh, he's
been and he said some nice things about what I'd
done in the league and and Uh, I'm always thank
him for that. He was a good guy, smart and
did a lot for the league. Yeah, league really grew
with him at the Helm, There's no question about it.
Uh so yeah. So anyway, so uh Paul Tagley Boo.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Passed yesterday, but uh yeah he did.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And the officials didn't do anything wrong that day, by
the way, did they?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Is anyone listening or find my mic on? Is it on?
Is it on?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
I'll just tell you and you and.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
He really covered for you because they did a fine.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Oh they were great. That was the greatest game. You
google that game online. They say it was the greatest
game ever officiated.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Nod.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
All right, gentlemen. Awesome stuff. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
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Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders takes you back to 1983, when two teenagers were found murdered, execution-style, on a quiet Texas hill. What followed was decades of rumors, false leads, and a case that law enforcement could never seem to close. Now, veteran investigative journalist M. William Phelps reopens the file — uncovering new witnesses, hidden evidence, and a shocking web of deaths that may all be connected. Over nine gripping episodes, Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders unravels a story 42 years in the making… and asks the question: who’s really been hiding the truth?
Dateline NBC
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