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November 11, 2025 38 mins
Today’s world of college coaching found Jedd Fisch having to defend himself and his interest in remaining at Washington. Is that fair to Fisch? Does it matter what coaches say to media anyway? :30- The AL Manager of the Year will be announced tonight and Dan Wilson is a finalist, but should he win and will he? :45- Are the Seahawks peaking too soon? The Hawks are playing some very good football, but can they sustain it?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crooks. Good morning everyone, morning, it's some time.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Ladies and gentlemen, behold.

Speaker 4 (00:08):
A producing six one guard from Brighton, Illinois and former
high school basketball stand What in the hell.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Does that mean? You don't jumped any conclusions?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Pluto, getting Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just openly
admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
national champions.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
A lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. What to you buy to Lada Casino Resort
and quill see the Greek Draft Game sports book where
the action never stopped you.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well, good morning, Welcome into the radio show. It is
Chucking Buck in the Morning's on a Tuesday Sports Radio
ninety three point three kJ R FM. Maybe you mixed
tacos into your day. I don't know, feels right to me.
Ashley Ryan is here. Former Marin or Bucky Jacob said,
my name is Chuck Powell. We got four hours with
you today. We'll take you till ten o'clock, and we
will cover all sorts of fascinating aspects of the entire

(01:35):
sports world, particularly here in Seattle, Washington. So we welcome
you to the show. We have five good legs between us.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yours fell off.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, king around, we'll fall off. It's still there. Oh,
just a little swollen, had scouting on my part. Yeah, yeah,
it's still there.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hard to see though.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, yeah, I had a little one of those procedures
at Pinnacle where they're doing some plasma rich or platelet
rich plasma therapy.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Back in the cartoons, if there's people plasma and dog plasma,
make sure you don't get the dog plasma.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
People. I'm pretty sure it was my own plasma.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Okay, well that's good because the dog plasma will make
you start acting like a dog. Have you being right?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
According to the cartoon heard did.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
You hear the barking it?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh no, that would be the worst thing that could
possibly happen. I'd rather not have a leg.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I love probably like it a lot about it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Get a lot more pets you should.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Go around helping everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, that's true. Sorry, what's different? Dog plasma? Put in?
What's new? Yeah that would be new. But yeah, no,
it's fine. I had it before, but I had it
done on like a Friday, so it kind of it's
stiff for day or so and then and then it dissipates,
it goes, it goes away. But yeah, now I had
it done yesterday and I was got up today and

(03:07):
I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a rough one getting around.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, I'm gonna tell you this right now, And I
don't want to ruin anything for you, but you've been
drinking a lot of water lately, and there is no
way that Ashley and I are going to carry you
to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
If your leg starts, then might just go right here.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'll go get a.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Dolly from the engineering slash storage room.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
We could just push him up and down there.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I might.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think you think that's I think you think that's easy.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You could wheel yourself, No, I couldn't. Like a scooter.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I don't know if I could do that. You use
those two haul refrigerators around. I'm not the size of
refrigerator plus her refrigerators easier.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
To manage you with all your limbs and loose parts.
You'd be flopping over and I'd be having to push
you with one arm and then hold you in place
with the other. Yeah, that's more work than just carrying you.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
We have one that lays flat. I was thinking you
could just sit on that and we could push you around.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, we might have to do that because I actually
do have to go to the bathroom, and I chose
do not try to make the trip. It would take
me about ten minutes to get there.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Use a wheelichair. We're in wheelichairs. Just put your bad
knee on there and push with your good foot.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Just put a little Johnny on the spot right out here.
Little honey bucket. Yeah, people they call and call them
in Madison BUCkies apparently, according to Softie.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Really yeah, they call their outhouses BUCkies. Well that's dumb.
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
My time was really funny.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
By the way, that was the company that made them,
like honey Bucket in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, BUCkies is a big I got to go to
a Bucky window BUCkies supermarket before heard of it. Bring
it up. Yeah, mini mart that is basically like Walmart,
but on steroids. Like, but it's a gas station, Slash said,
Bucky Beavers. It has a beaver, it has a it's
not it's BUCkies, but b U C K E e. Oh,

(05:09):
and it has a beaver on there. But it's but
it's not Bucky Beaver's. That's called BUCkies. Just called BUCkies. Yeah,
but they have everything. I have food and clothes and
gas and good knees. They probably would have a good
knee or two in there. We run in there and
get you one. I could use it right now. Yeah,
you can just real hop hop in. I'm gonna hop
in real quick and get Bucky a knee. I'll be

(05:31):
right back. Yeah, a leftne get left, well the road.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
The one you've had a lot of problems with.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
My right one is the one I had replaced. My
left one is started to hurt. That's why I'm doing
the integrated.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
You need another right one. That's the one that's the
bionic me.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It is bionic. I'm trying to stay away from getting
another bionic one by doing this. And it's just part
of the process. You get it shut with this plasma
and then now they'll put some stem cells in there. Oh,
my next spin it around. Yep, yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
All right, Well, hopefully this is just the storm before
the calm.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping to that it just.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Tames down here a little bit because we do not
want to carry you. We're not worried about your pain. No,
we do not want to carry you to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
You might have to.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, all right, well, good morning to you. We get
started here on this day. And you know, I was
talking to Hugh actually on the phone last night and
he's like, I was a busy day talking Seahawks. But
we could have easily done an entire show on the Huskies.
And yeah, but I'm kind of glad we didn't because
I know some people like talking about things that. I mean,

(06:46):
it's compelling radio to, you know, talk about a loss.
It might even be more compelling to talk about a
loss and try to fix things and try to point
fingers and try to figure out what went wrong. Again,
that's probably is, you know, the kind of radio show
that you can sink your teeth into. But it was
kind of fun, kind of focusing on the blowout win

(07:08):
from a football team here in town yesterday. But there's
no doubt there are some angry Husky fans, dog fans,
and even a head coach over what happened in Madison,
Wisconsin on Saturday. Jedfish and his team. It's like they
played inside a BUCkies. They played one of their worst
games of the year. And after two weeks, two weeks

(07:30):
of build up, a bye and everything, two weeks of
build up talking about how, hey, the path to the
college playoff is here, and man, the door got slammed
on that rather quickly, on just a stinker effort against
a team that just hasn't been able to find success
this year in the Wisconsin Badgers, And so it led
to a bit of a testy press conference yesterday Jedfish

(07:54):
once again being asked, and it sounds like more aggressively
so from the Seattle media hoarde about what's the deal?
Are you staying or not? Do you want to be
here or not? There are rumors out there that your
wife and daughter are living in Arizona and don't want
to be here, and all sorts of things that were

(08:15):
posed to Jedfish yesterday, and it's the most animated he's
been about this topic. It's the most you know, pound
your fist on the table kind of reaction that we've
seen from Jedfish trying to assure people that yes, he
wants to be here, Yes things are going well despite
Saturday's the lost to Wisconsin, and so he tried to

(08:37):
do his best to convince us that I don't care
what rumors that you're hearing, I don't care about the
ridiculousness of the coaching carousel. I'm here to stay and
you're not going to make up a story on me,
and it's actually leading to a distraction. So he was
actually quite adamant about it yesterday. Now, I watched Rafael

(08:59):
pelmer Zo perjure himself in Supreme Court by doing the
exact same thing. So you never know exactly what the
truth is. But I'll give Jetfish this, This is the
most he stepped forward and said Bucky that it's all garbage,
it's hogwash.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm staying here. Well, the idea of whenever coaching vacancies
pop up, then people are going to write stories on
who's going to fill that spot, and then they do
end up throwing names in there. Now, I would say,
to some degree, I like jet I think he seems
like a nice dude, But I mean, the fact that
you've been a mobile coach for a majority of your

(09:39):
career lends itself to where you're going to be one
of the names that pops into people's heads when they're
writing articles, they're having discussions about it, and so don't
get too terribly upset about it. I do think that
the idea of trying to put you know, add this
plus that, I think that that does not necessarily mean
the fact that his wife and kids aren't here, you know,

(10:00):
could just simply be Yeah, I didn't want to uproot
my daughter from another school because I have already moved.
You have friends there.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
That itself makes sense.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean so. But at the same time, you
can't get your you know, you can't get too terribly
riled up if you're the coach that has moved around
consistently over the course of your career, and understandably so
I don't I don't fault coaches for doing it. Now,
there's a part of it where loyalty or really wanting
to put your roots down and really wanting to you know,
make a name for yourself in a certain market or

(10:28):
a certain at a certain program. I think that there's
something to it but if you if you're like that
is where I would rather be, then okay, go ahead
and go. I mean, that's that's your prerogative. Is your
your right to go chase whatever dream, whatever program you want,
and hopefully you find something that you want to stick with.

(10:48):
And yet he was making it sound yesterday like this
is where he wants to be and this is where
he wants to stick now, just like everybody else that
hears that, they're like, yeah, but that's exactly what you
would say until you leave, right, that's what. So to me,
it's one of those I'm not gonna I wonder.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
What the press conferences were like in Tucson, Yeah, exactly
leading up to his.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Announcement that he was coming here.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
And look, I'm really not trying to jump on Jed
here because I think it is grossly unfair if he
legitimately wants to be here and legitimately wants to see
this thing through and legitimately thinks he's building something special
and his wife and daughter are legitimately in Arizona until
she's done with high school because Jed is planning on

(11:31):
staying in Seattle for the next ten to fifteen years
of his career, and that missus Fish really desperately wants
to be next to her husband, but she's trying to
do right by her daughter. I mean, that's this is
desperately unfair that this would be hounding him, following him
around in this process because let's face it, today's college coach,

(11:51):
you are recruiting every second of every single day. That
press conference hurts his recruiting efforts. That press conference makes
the next seventeen year old or the star linebacker from
James Madison that would like to jump up into the
big boy conference before his time is done at college.
That makes everybody pause. Every one of those young men

(12:13):
pause and their families pause about well, where they's smoke,
there's fire, right dad, You know that if they're talking
about him leaving, there must be something to it. So
from that standpoint, I do sympathize with him if he's
telling the truth, if what he's saying is actually genuine,

(12:34):
that he does want to be here, And unfortunately, because
of his history, it's hard to believe he genuinely wants
to be here once.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Those rumors start.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
So it's really a catch twenty two for a talk
show host and for Jedfish frankly, the predicament that he's
in if in fact that he has nothing to do
with the rumors that he wants to be out at Washington.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, you're talking about the effect that it has, the
naked impact it has on recruiting. Is that's real? And
yet I think that most coaches when they first sign,
you know, and they're doing their introduction, you know, a
little press conference, that they are about as excited as
possible about being where it is that they just signed
and where they're planning on being, and then things can change.

(13:17):
He didn't know that all of these job opportunities were
going to open up, right, I mean, you can assume
there's going to be other colleges that are going to
fire their coach at some point in time. The idea
of loyalty to one program is kind of out the window,
because especially in today's day and age, where we're going

(13:37):
to pay a bunch of money to have this team
and they better be competitive. If you're not, if you
lose a couple of games, you shouldn't you show up
the way they showed up this last weekend. You might
be out on the streets looking for somewhere to go, period.
Not that you're leaving preemptively, You're you might be forced
into having to go somewhere else. And so I think
that loyalty is a word that, while I love the word,

(14:00):
don't think I think goes both ways. I think there's
coaches that are just like, Nope, this is a stepping stone,
or somewhere at some point in time during their tenure
at a place, they're like, boy, if that opens up,
that's where I'd rather go, right, whether it's an alma
mater of theirs or where you know their their mentor coached,
or whatever the case might be. And yet I do
think it's unfair. It's fair, but it's not. It is

(14:23):
kind of unfair from his standpoint.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
If it's true, it's unfair, but it's also in play, right,
you know, I mean, your history has to come into
the conversation. And where was the speech when these rumors
were first starting. Where was the standing on top of
the podium and saying this is ridiculous. Where were the
words like ridiculous earlier in the season. Because these rumors
have been out all year long, and part of it

(14:46):
is because of this crazy college coaching world that we've
suddenly entered a phase that a lot of people, including
Rick new ISISAC who loves college football more than anybody,
didn't even see coming.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean, how could you see it coming?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
We were going to have this many coaches under long
term contracts let go because there were boosters around that
were willing to eat monster contracts, or at least seemed
willing to eat. LSU is now trying to fire Brian
Kelly with cause so that they don't have to pay
the fifty four million dollars.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
After they tried to offer him like twenty five million,
and just to be like, yeah, there, we'll give you
twenty five how about that?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I mean, so, look, we're entered this crazy world, and
so he gets lumped into it, and if he really
doesn't have a hand or his agent doesn't have a
hand in poking around at UCLA or Florida and trying
to gauge interest, then it Yeah, then it does cross
over into just how unfair is that to Jed Fish

(15:47):
to have to go through this if he genuinely wants
to be here, because it really would be screwing up
his job and his job duties.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah, well, and I do think that that aspect is
unfair but I also think we can't put too much
stock in to anything a college coach says these days,
because you've got.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
She still hurt by day, I am a little bit.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, but it's true, right, because we're talking about that
he doesn't he's got his family still in Arizona because
his daughter wants to finish high school, which is a
completely valid reason, right. But him moving here isn't going
to mean that he's going to stay here. If he
moves his whole family here, he could say all the
things that Caylin de Boor said, I want my whole
family to be here, like this is where I see
my life. And at the time, I do believe that

(16:29):
was real. I don't think he was just saying it
to say it. Maybe well, well.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
The only reason that I remaced is because I think
he was saying it and it was true to him
at the time.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
But he does have a tendency to move. I mean,
there is a chance here that Jedfish just likes what
Bucky was talking about being the new guy. There's a
lot of excitement that goes with being the new.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Guy, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh yeah, I mean it's hard when you're little to
be the kid in school that moves a lot and
you just get sick of. But when you are the
highest paid guy on campus and you are suddenly thrust
into this role of most popular kid in school. The
moment that you arrive on campus because you drive a
motorcycle and you got a tattoo and you're eleven years

(17:18):
old and all the girls think you're cute, I.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Mean, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
And maybe Jedfish is addicted to that feeling of being
the new guy on campus that gets to start from scratch.
That's wonderful. I can tell you that my first day
at KJR was a lot more exciting than today.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Fair.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad. I love the job and
I love doing it. I'm glad to be here talking
about it. But there's no way to compare being the
first day of your new job and the excitement that
goes into it, and you get to start from scratch
and everything else and you have pie in the sky
hopes and dreams and aspirations, and so maybe he's addicted
to that. Maybe maybe that's part of his character.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Maybe he's happy here till he it's offered a job
from somewhere else, and he hasn't been offered the job
from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So he's like, hey, I like it here, I'm good
and justifies.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It in his own mind. I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
There right now, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And then well it all goes back to Troy Dan.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean, because it all falls on you, dubbed too.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Why did you hire a guy that jumps around every
two years if you didn't want to deal with the
smoke that goes with coaching openings coming up? And then
and then that goes back to Dan.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
So I mean it's a it's a complicated topic, there's
no doubt. I mean, I appreciate that coach Fish stepped
up and said it's ridiculous and pounded the podium for
the first time in this entire process. I don't know
what's going on behind the scenes. I really don't know
how genuine, how honest he's being with it, how true
the rumors are, how thick the smoke is where the

(18:51):
fires might actually exist. But at least he tried. He
did better at trying to shoot them down, trying to
put them out yesterday, and now we'll see.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I'm with you Ashley.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I'm I mean, I want to trust him, but I.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Don't, right, And that's and it's fine. I have no
animosity towards me. If he's gonna go somewhere else, he's
gonna go somewhere else. I think he's saying what he
believes in the moment right now. If another opportunity arises
and he leaves, would I be shocked?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, I wouldn't either, But I and I wouldn't be
mad either, man. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
What's on TEP? What's on TEP?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'm I mean I football. It was kind of pretty ugly.
It wasn't much offense, but it was very interesting. The
entire game was just a battle for inches. Uh Philadelphia
Green Bay. For some reason, both offensive coordinators were completely conservative,
with veteran quarterbacks who've done a thing or two in

(19:50):
this league, and yet nobody could find offense until late.
Final score was ten to seven the Eagles over the
Green Bay Packers. So another week of the new National
Football League season is in the books. But we've already
kind of moved on here in Seattle. I mean, we
win by twenty two all the time these days, so
it's time to focus on the next big one, the

(20:11):
Los Angeles Rams, the biggest test of the season to
this point in Los Angeles, first place on the line,
and so that conversation begins today. Greg Bell will join
us at seven oh five. NFL notes from yesterday, Brian
Dable crazy coaching carousel right he's out as New York
Giants head coach. I heard some very interesting things about

(20:33):
this on the drive in. Hopefully we'll have time to
share it later on in the show. Joe Burrow has
opened up his window to possibly be activated by Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
It sounds like his toe.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Injury was supposed to keep him out for the entire year,
but the progress that he's shown has Cincinnati thinking he
can play before the end of the season and maybe
as soon as Thanksgiving Day. College football playoff rankings come
out tonight, week number two of that new Isa will
join us at nine o'clock. We'll talk to him about
Jed Fish college football rankings and UDUB versus Purdue. This Saturday,

(21:07):
college basketball, it is Apple Cup Hardwood Week U double
take on the Koogs.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
This Friday night, Kraken.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
And Columbus meet here in Seattle tonight at seven o'clock.
Everett fits you our guest at eight thirty to discuss
that and Major League Baseball's Award week is here. Last night,
Rookies of the Year were announced, no surprise. As a
matter of fact, he was a unanimous choice and that
was a little bit of a surprise. Nick Kurtz of
the Athletics was named the American League Rookie of the Year,

(21:36):
and Drake Baldwin beat out Cad Horton of Chicago. The
Atlanta Catcher won the National League Rookie of the Year honor,
and that sets up tonight where a Mariner will be
in position to win a major award. Managers of the
Year will be announced tonight. Dan Wilson is a finalist

(21:56):
and we will discuss next whether or not he will
win this year's award on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM. They are going to play
the Dallas Stars on November twenty sixth, and we've got
revenge on our minds.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah we do.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah. Stars beat us over the weekend by a goal
on a back to back. Now you won't beat us
if we're well rested.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
We're properly rested.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Forget about it.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's our first game in three days.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Look out by Way Fire and Eco.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah just figured yeah, well, jump on there, jump on
that bandwagon. It is Chuck Buck and Ashley with you
here on this Tuesday. And yes, a baseball on the brain,
and we're gonna have it on our brain throughout the
course of the week. It's awards week Thursday, cal Raley,
we will find out once and for all if he

(22:45):
will be named Most Valuable Player of the American League.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
And it is the.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Vote that they are talking. They're building up the hype
for that Thursday vote because it's it's almost like good
versus Evil. I mean, it's almost like a movie that's
going to on Thursday premier somewhere on Thursday, Cal or
judge for an MVP. So we'll be talking about it
a lot throughout the course of the week. But if

(23:09):
we jumped into that conversation right now, we would be
treating tonight's chance for Dan Wilson to win Manager of
the Year like a speed bump, and I certainly don't
want to do that. So Dan Wilson has one of
three finalists.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
They've already had the vote.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
They voted that after the regular season, so not after
postseason decisions, just in case people are wondering out there.
And so he was named. We know that he finished
no worse than third in the voting. They reach out
to the three they announced the finalists. What a month ago,
and so today we're going to find out the managers
of the year in both the American League and National League.

(23:46):
So what do you think? What do you think as
chances are winning this thing tonight?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh? Boy? Well, I mean I was driving home yesterday
thinking about it, driving in today thinking about it, and
I kind of think he won't. That said, I ended
up looking something up this morning and AI popped up.
You know, you have a Google page or being Paige
or whatever, and you type something in and it basically

(24:10):
said Dan Wilson wins Manager of the Year Seattle marriage
for twenty twenty five. Is that right? Yeah? AI already
said it's happened. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So I hope it doesn't start ruining things like that.
I hope it doesn't get to the point where it
ruins surprises. That'd be terrible. It's already something I'm worried about. Yeah,
it was my surprise the Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't
trust I don't trust it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I'll just say I mean, I he would get my vote.
But then again, there I can't take my bias out
of it. I mean, as much as I would like to,
I would say this. I mean, if I'm making arguments
on it, I you know, the Toronto Blue Jay's finished
with the best record. I don't put a ton of
credence in from worse to first because I think that
actually is a sign of you didn't do very well

(24:54):
last year. You were hurt, but you're you know, you
had a lot of injuries, but you were worst last year.
And now you take essentially the same team. I mean
it's a different team but a lot of the same guys,
and you go to first place in the American League.
I will say you finished four games above us, and
yet that's more than that's more than the difference between

(25:18):
us and the first team that didn't make the playoffs.
The Houston Astros missed it by they were three games
behind us, and they were the first team out. So
those four games is substantial. I would think it probably
will be Schneider. I think that's probably who would win.
I know that they do these before the postseason. But
it's like if you were to just take all of

(25:38):
the postseason, try to forget what had happened. I think
that the fact that they finished on top of the
AL and there's a lot of people that still will
put a lot of weight behind the they were last
place last year and he takes them to the first place.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Team, Yeah I would.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
I would say, I don't think Dan's gonna win it,
but I don't think it's a knock on Dan.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I just think that Schneider is gonna win it for Toronto.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Well, I don't think he's going to win it, despite
what AI says. I think it will be John Schneider.
Now that aside, I don't think he should win it.
I think my letter grade for Dan Wilson was a
C minus this year. C minus efforts should not win
Manager of the Year, So he's not getting my vote.
He wouldn't even be top three in my book. Now
that doesn't mean I don't think some good things occurred

(26:20):
in the first year Dan Wilson, and I'm not just
talking about the result of winning the American League West.
I'm talking about a lot of people need to understand
that today's day and age x's and o's decisions usually
aren't as impactful as your ability to manage an entire roster,
to manage your personnel to get the most out of guys.

(26:40):
That's really what a manager is judged by and by
today's standards, and Dan Wilson was aces and a lot
of those things. Like, you know, the players like him,
the players respect him. He never threw a player under
the bus ever. Players love that. I think he has
a soft touch. He's got an old school sort of
baseball mentality, but he also has a new school way

(27:01):
of approaching players, which are essential, it seems in the
hiring practices this off season. So there were a lot
of good things that he did, but man, I can't
name him after I felt I mean, I'll put it
this way, nobody that covered Dan Wilson on a daily
basis who might have had a vote for this feels

(27:22):
like he should be manager.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Of the Year.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
So I don't know who voted for it, because it's
not like Ryan Divish and Adam Jude get votes. We
don't even know who gets to vote on which different categories.
But he wouldn't have gotten a vote, I'm pretty sure
from anybody any of the beat writers as Manager of
the Year. As a matter of fact, I think they
were a little closer to my grade of C minus.

(27:46):
But he's gonna finish probably second. I'll say he probably
finished the second in all of this. And this might
be the one time where you know, East Coast bias
works for US people not staying up until ten o'clock
to watch Mariners baseball, so they didn't watch the daily
decisions made.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
They see the results.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
And they see that the Mariners knocked off the Astros
and finished first in the American League West. Because usually
it does go to a guy, a manager whose team
overachieved the expectations. See But at the heart of it,
I don't think we overachieved expectations. I think this team
was on pace to win eighty six games, which is

(28:27):
right where I had them, and then they had a
great trading deadline and ended up winning ninety. I think
that actually is a little below what I might have expected.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'll just say, I mean, there's not a manager on
the planet that doesn't have mistakes throughout the course of
the season. So unless you watch every single game of
every single team, then I don't think you can necessarily
put as much stock in which one you're voting for
because we saw way more mistakes from Dan Wilson than

(28:58):
we saw from John Schneider because we just didn't watch them.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, but I've watched enough baseball over time that I know,
I mean, even Mariner managers there weren't as many Like
I mean, I know how often the manager should, in
my mind make a bad in game decision. And I
felt Dan Wilson's threshold went over it.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, well, I mean I would think to me, I
think that if you're voting for it, unless, like I said,
you've watched every manager, if you if you were going
to cast your vote, I think that you'd have to
put in more of a thirty thousand foot view. And
so that goes towards the what did you do? Did
you do more with less? And so Stephen vote with

(29:39):
a substantially lower payroll than most certainly the Toronto Blue Jays,
I mean Toronto Blue Jays won four more games than
the Mariners, and quite possibly if the marriage didn't lose
three in a row and then win four and rot
at the end of the season, you could have got
the number one seed. And yet they were working with
a higher, way higher payroll than on. Conversely, on the
other side of that, Stephen votes working with wa lower

(30:00):
one and they were the factors out of it. They
were out of it, and he got them to rally
and all of a sudden come back and overtake the fumble.
That was the Detroit Lions, end of the season. Tigers. Yeah,
not the Lions, Detroit Tigers. So to me, it's the
I mean, I just don't. I think I think Dan
Wilson most certainly deserves to be in this conversation. I

(30:23):
think that there is some things that he does that
are looked down upon, that go towards go towards a
little bit more of the thirty thousand foot view when
they're pulling guys in June because they're trying to keep
everybody healthy, and this year didn't necessarily work, but we've
seen it over the course of quite some time where
the organization has a philosophy and it does keep guys

(30:43):
healthy for the most part. I think he had a
lot of injuries. I think he did a fantastic job.
I don't I wouldn't give him a C minus by
any stretch, And yet I don't think he would be
in this I don't think he'd be in this conversation.
He deserves to be in the conversation. I don't think
if he was a CEA manager that he would be well,
I don't think that's my point.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
I don't think that the nation sees it as that
because they didn't watch every single game, And you're right,
maybe I would feel the same way about Alex Cora.
Most of these votes are based off of whether or
not the rider perceives that you got the most out
of the talent given you. That's usually what it's based
off of. And so Dan Wilson is going to be
a final three candidate for this, I personally would vote

(31:22):
for a guy with an even higher payroll, Alex Cora.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
That would be my vote.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean, that's somebody that overachieved the expectations, had eighty
nine wins on the season, had his star player controversially
traded away midway through the year, had to deal with
one good starting pitcher the entire season, got the most
out of a forty year old a role as Chapman somehow,
some way at the end of the year, and still

(31:48):
made his way into the playoffs. I would vote for
Alex Cora based off of the amount of information that
I have to decide what he overcame in order to
lead his team to success. I would go Alex Cora
not even a finalist.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I would go John Schneider. As much as I
want to go Dan Wilson. I would go John Schneider.
But that's because of the overhaul. We didn't hear as
much about it during the regular season, how much they
changed their hitting philosophy. And I know that's not just him,
but he's the one that oversaw it. And then we
watched how it played out when you watched every single
game through the postseason. To me, I think he changed.

(32:21):
He was the guy at the Helm that changed the
offensive way in which that team basically played, and they
went out there and almost won the World Series because
of it.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, I wish we had more time to discuss it,
Unfortunately we do not. Coming up next, are you worried
that the Seahawks might be peaking too soon? Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM, All right, Greg Ballot seven

(32:59):
oh five plus your headlines at seven o'clock. Great new
ISIL today, Jeans Sterotur today, and of course we've got
Seahawks rams this Sunday. Get ready, it's on the biggest
game of the year so far the NFL season. Seahawks
rams both playing as well as any team in the
National Football League. It's going to be a lot of fun.

(33:22):
But is there any fear, any worry at all. I'll
start with Ashley, since you know you're a Seahawk fan
and all, yeah, sure, yeah, any worry at all? That's
you know, because watch the ebbs and flows of a
National Football League season. I mean the Green Bay Packers
through the first three weeks of the season. Everybody thought,
oh my gosh, who's going to beat them? And here

(33:44):
they are just six seven short weeks later and they
can't score a touchdown. Yeah, you know, so the ebbs
and I mean Kansas City excuse me, Kansas City was
counted out and then they rallied Baltimore. Baltimore was counted out,
and now they're nearly back to five hundred and the
favorite to win there to Buffalo beats the Chiefs and
then the very next week get blown out by the

(34:05):
Miami Dolphins. So what the hell are they?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And it's a fleeting thing. I mean, you can be
great one day and then the very next week. That's
kind of what the National Football League is right now.
So I don't want to be in Green Bays position.
I don't want to be sitting here like we peaked
in November. Are you a little worried that maybe they're
peaking too soon?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I am not worried, actually, and I will say this,
it's been interesting because watching from game one to see
where they've come to now, you're seeing improvements each week,
and it does seem like they're building upon the things
that they've done the week before, and you're just seeing
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Better, a little bit better, a little bit better.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Granted, obviously these last two games have been a whole
heck of a lot better, but you have also been
not playing great teams. So I don't worry that we've
peaked too soon. I do think that we are doing
We are taking steps each week to improve, and I
think that will continue.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
We are a better football team by fall are this season,
and I think Mike McDonald and John Schneider are putting
it together the right way, and so I don't think
we're going to see some sort of drop off, dramatic
drop off, but I'm not sure you could play better
than what they've played the last couple of weeks, Bucket.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
No, they're I mean they're playing. I mean there's a
reason that they're jumping up power rankings and whatnot. Those
are kind of this kind of stand by themselves and
depending on how you play the next week, they adjust,
and you know that you can kind of jump around
with that. To me, I'm not worried about them peaking
too soon. I mean I kind of look at it.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
It's a I don't know certainly. I told you my
high school basketball team went twenty six and oh.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, apparently it is twenty something in one at some point.
That's right. We did. We peaked. You peaked at the beginning,
the middle, and towards the end.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
No, we peaked in the middle. We peaked at Christmas
tournament time. And uh and then by the end of
the season, you know, off started and we were in
a crapple. And it's just not just high school kids
from Illinois with mullets. You see it happen all the time.
And I'm just give you three examples of that. It's
happening already this year in the National Football League. It's

(36:12):
a real thing. Just like trap games and all that stuff.
Those are real things. And so I'm hoping that the
Seahawks aren't peaking in early November because it doesn't really
count right now.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, I mean, I usually your main objective and almost
I mean every season, win your division, right because you know,
you into division regardless of what your record is, and
you're in the playoffs and really just get into the
dance and then you want to be peaking at that point.
That would be nice. But I kind of look at
and I kind of feel like, right now, there's I
think there's really seven teams, maybe eight teams that are

(36:46):
in playoff contention right now that I think those are
the teams. Seven of those eight, I think maybe the
Bears might be a team that doesn't find them their
way in that it's in the top seven at this
point in time. I think that, you know, I think
the Packers could find the way to right the ship offensively,
and I think maybe start peaking at the right time.
And yet I think you're in a tough division, so

(37:08):
you've got tough matchups when it comes to the Rams
and the forty nine ers. And yet to me, I
have a hard time seeing how this team the way
that they're built and the way that Mike McDonald McDonald
has him playing where I think it was Leonard Williams
was talking about how he's got them focused on whatever happens,
you just go back to the process. When you get

(37:30):
back into the process, you lose, you get back into
the process. That to me is the idea of the
mentality that creates consistency, and consistency is what creates the
doesn't matter whether we win or we lose, we're going
we know the next week, we're going to come out
ready to rock and roll again because you're not gonna
win them all. So I mean, yeah, they're right now.
They're rocking and rolling on defense, they're rocking and rolling

(37:51):
on offense. And so are they going to be playing
this hot on both sides of the ball come week sixteen,
seventeen and possibly in the playoffs. I don't know, but
I do think this team has what it takes culture
building wise to to be consistent when it matters.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I legitimately am concerned that this is the best that
they can be and that it's happening too soon because
I've happened, I watch it happened too many times. But
make no mistake about This team is real. It's been
built the right way. The success you're seeing that is real.
Uh this, and I think that they are. I mean,
the rookie draft class is real. So I think this

(38:26):
is a really really good team, maybe even a great team.
But we'll see if they can sustain this excellence for
the rest of the year and into the playoffs. All right,
Coming up next, Greg Bell plus your headlines on kJ R.
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