December 9, 2025 • 34 mins
Headlines and 12th Man News with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) Phillip Rivers could be returning to the NFL, but there’s no way he could be ready for Sunday, right? The Seahawks will be facing their 4th consecutive backup QB when they face the Colts, so while they’re catching some breaks, the defense seems to know how to capitalize. Jalen Sundell’s return is on the horizon. Takeaways from the win in Atlanta and can Sam Darnold reign in the turnovers? :30- The College Football Playoff reaction continues as Notre Dame wants everyone to know how angry they are. :45- We aren’t done with this CFB conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Then the shotgun formation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hurts looks over the defense shotgun snap five man Rush
blipses on pass. It's intercepting at the middle of the
twenty coming to the middle side twenty five. Then the
players hit the ball shot three. Hurts picked it up.
He loses the ball. The ball's rolling here sideline recovered
at the forty five. The Chargers have gotten the ball,
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stopping the dry by Philadelphia. I think everybody touched that
ball on that play, bouncing from one player to the.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Nett A man, when you have a play as crazy
as that, you want Kevin Harlan on the call for sure. Yeah,
Westwood one, Kevin Harlan. Of course he does that crazy
ass play Justice. We've never seen a play like that.
Just like Tim Kirk, he love spints.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You never know.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You gotta see.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That was nuts.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah. Jalen ERTs through an interception and fumbled the ball
on the same play. I'm to leave it right there.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look
it up. Think I'm lying. He threw an interception fumble
the ball on the exact same play. The Philadelphia Eagles
lose again to the Los Angeles Chargers. That's where our
frost brewed course liked Choose Chill headlines will begin on
(01:18):
Monday Night. Football twenty two to nineteen was the final score.
Eagles aren't very good. They haven't been good all season long.
They're eight and five and still have a very good
chance of making the playoffs. But if you want to
talk about a team that won the championship and then
let everything else get in the way, including the clubhouse
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issues that they had, that seems like they have some
coaching issues. They're not playing well offensively, defense have been
pretty good all season long, but they just don't look
like a team. They do not look better than the
Cowboys right now.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah, I would probably go with that. I mean, offensively,
they've been scuffling all year long. Defensively they play well,
and they still seem dangerous. Even saw Spurts last night
when Sakwan would get rolling, and yet Jalen Hurts had
two interceptions.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Going to the game. He threw four last night.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Not even that's not even a fumble fumble after an interception.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, college football, Rick new Isiel to the Koogs. Rumors
are all over the place. We're actually going to ask
him about it today, That's right. He joins us live
at nine o'clock, so we'll get it straight from the
horse's mouth. The Huskies will play in the LA Ball
It's the first bowl game of bowl season. It's this Saturday,
so just rip that band aid off. College football playoff
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won't start until the nineteenth of December. It's Army Navy Week.
Maybe a topic that'll come up with our next guest.
Also this Saturday, the Heisman Trophy will be announced. We
know the finalist Julian Sayan of Ohio State, Diego Pavia,
the quarterback at Vanderbilt, Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love,
and the favorite, Fernando Mendoza, quarterback of the Indiana Hoosiers.
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The crack and lose again. They've lost six straight games.
They lost the wild last night by a final score
of four to one. Here on a Craken Ticket Tuesday, ever,
it fits you will join us to discuss their woes
at eight thirty today. And the Major League Baseball Winter
Meetings are ongoing. No activity I mean, I mean they've
been a couple of minor pitching signings that have taken place,
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but for the most part, squad Dooche has occurred down
there in Orlando Magic Kingdom, my sweet ass. So we'll
see if it starts to pop here today as the
Winter Meetings continue in Florida, and it's about time we
had a chance to chat with Greg Bell and we
have oh so much to discuss, including the big headline
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of the day. Are the Seahawks really going to face
Philip Rivers this Sunday? That's right, I'm not making that up.
It's a possibility. Let's talk to Greg Bell with.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The bell tolls.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
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Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now with what man, Dudes, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
and but Beat.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Maybe Yeah, I can't wait, you're going yes, oh yes,
it's been McIntyre and I are flying out to Thursday morning,
two days and we'll be on the air Friday from
one and I think it's noon until I don't even
know Friday afternoon for three hours. Guest galore, lots of
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Army Navy talks, great in Baltimore, from the inner Harbor.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, love that for you. How do you feel about
a win.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Tough this year? Yeah you had a good season. Yeah,
maybe nine and three and Army six and six snuck.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Into a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But there the old cliche, throw out the records. I
think I've told you my sophomore year, we were seven
and three and maybe was zero to ten in the meadowlands.
It was like four below zero wins everywhere, and some
kicker trotted out in the wind and kicked a forty
yard field goal for Navy and beat.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Us on the last play.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It was gross four and ten Navy beat US. So
I think I've mentioned when you go around the Army,
when you're in the Army, the West Point graduates and
you see him at events across the world. When they
say hi to him and you introduce yourself as an
Army or West Point graduate, they just say, what was
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your record against Navy? Not that they didn't, you know,
only only a certain number of people played football. I
didn't play on the Army football team. Yet that record
stays with you. I was two and two, two.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And two, all right, that stays with it?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, uh, you know it's gonna be fun, and we
got the right people on the job, so excited that
you get to go check this out. All right, Well,
let's dive into this. We didn't get to chat with
you about the game on Sunday, but here we are
on Tuesday, and there's already something far more interesting. What
was your reaction when you heard the Philip Rivers could
be the colts next quarterback story yesterday?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, I laughed, he's yesterday. It was forty fourth birthday,
and I thought immediately when I was forty four, which
is now eleven years ago, I couldn't even think of
playing in a Turkey Bowl Thanksgiving game with my friends,
let alone an NFL game. The other thing that's funny
about this is, as you probably have mentioned, he's a
semifinalist to be inducted in the Canton next summer to
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the Hall of Fame. He hasn't played since twenty twenty.
He's a semifinalist on the ballot for twenty twenty six,
and if he gets into a game, if they do
sign him and he plays this year, the Hall of
Fame is going to rip his He can't get inducted
until five years from now. They're going to pull his ballot,
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they will pull his candidacy and he won't get inducted
next summer. Well, let's just be straight. Even if he does.
If the tryout goes visit goes great. In Indianapolis today
and he signed to the practice squad, it would defy
logic that he plays Sunday in Seattle, because one, he's
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been on his couch for five years. But two, you
just can't roll into an NFL headquarters on a Tuesday
without five years of knowledge about anything they do. And
this is a brand new system compared to the one
River's ended his career in Indianapolis with the Stanstik and there,
I can't fathom that he would be spun up enough
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on what they want to do to play. Having said that,
they are in dire straits a quarterback. Obviously, with the
Coles effector even talking to him, it looked like Riley
Leonard was going to be the quarterback. Now that Daniel
Jones says the Achilles injury Leonard finished up against the
Jacksonville the other day, but not Riley Leonard's hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Two.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So britt Rippon Shado Park High School, Spokane is the
practice squad quarterback. So really what the culture looking at is,
if Riley Leonard can't play the rookie from Notre Dame,
do they just do we bring Philip Rivers out of
five years of retirement or do we go with Brett Rippon.
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Either way, obviously it's advantage Seahawks and so there.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Yeah, and they seem to figure out a way to
play some backup quarterbacks. It seems like every single year.
I mean, it would be it would be unusual to
play one that was not hasn't even been in the
league for five years.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That would be odd.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
And you're right, I don't think it's probably likely that
he would be ready to go. And yet I think
that they already did the workout last night and that
now they're just discussing whether and how they're going to
move forward with the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Regardless, we shall see.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I would imagine somebody that knows the system, like ripping
like you were talking about. So but besides that, Okay,
so if they come in here and they're gone, their
second string quarterback in Riley Leonard that's injured, if he
is his knees, okay to go, or it's some guy
off the practice squad, I mean, is there just you
go out there and you say, we're just gonna shut
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Jonathan Taylor down and we're not gonna worry about anything else.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, this would be the fourth consecutive game that they
have faced either a rookie or backup quarterback. That's cam
Ward in Tennessee. Then they had brand new rookie Max Brosmer,
first time ever starting from Minnesota. Then Kirk Cousins, who
is of course not a rookie, but he is a backup.
He's not Michael Michael Pennix in Atlanta. And now it
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would be whoever, Bradley Leonard or Brett Rippen. And I
asked Mike McDonald about that yesterday. I said, what is
it about your defense that you were trying to put
the quarterback in a quantity? What are you trying to
do to a quarterback, whether it's experienced or rookie. And
he knew where I was headed with that, and so
he just said, well, we just do our thing and
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our process and blah blah blah. But suffice to say
that they're catching breaks here. If they're playing a forty
four year old five years of retirement, they've caught a
massive break. And now before Daniel Jones got hurt. The
Colts were in trouble. They've lost four out of five.
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They had fallen off a cliff offensively. Even when Jones
was healthy. Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve as the backup.
He's not an option either, the top draft pick from
a couple of years ago. So they're already talking about
the season being over, even though it's still just eight
and five in Indianapolis. So it wasn't they were already
going to catch a break here in this one. Now
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they're not catching a break on Thursday, four days after
this game, when they play the Rams. But no matter
how the Colts quarterback situation shakes out on Sunday, it
would be a massive disappointment at the Seahorks on eleven
and three heading into that Rams game on next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I said all last week, this will be the
last game that you probably should have handle with ease,
And now all of a sudden, you're facing another one
in Indianapolis, a struggling team that maybe down to the
practice squad quarterback starting against you. So it should be
another game that falls right into the Seahawks lap. Greg
(11:16):
Bell is with US our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune.
You can follow him at email Seattle, on Twitter, and
of course, follow his complete coverage of the Seahawks at
the Newstribune dot com. On the Seahawks front, Jalen Sundell
has got his windows started to return. How quickly do
you think it'll take before he's actually playing again.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, they haven't officially done that because they don't have
to till Wednesday when they actually have a practice, So
I'm expecting them that'll be the start of the twenty
one days. I don't think it's going to take long.
And talking to people in the building, it sounds like
Sundell has been healthy for a week or so and
if they would have been able to, they would have
had him return to practice last week. The rules where
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we had to wait four weeks, So here we go.
I asked again yesterday to McDonald he's going to play
garter center, and he wouldn't tell me. Of course, he
did say that Anthony Bradford is playing the best he's
ever put he's played for him. He said that Bradford
was their highest rated offensive lineman in Atlanta, and he
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said his confidence is he doesn't think Bradford's confidence has
ever been higher in his career than it is right now.
He said that he has a really good punch, in
particular in pass protection on the three touchdown passes by
the Saar Scott in the second half from Sam Donald.
Two of the three really good pass protection sets by Bradford.
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One of them he double teamed with over Timmy the center,
and they allowed the corner of the safety up the middle,
just the defensive back blitz a wide open on free blitz,
but Donald got away and threw the touchdown pass the
Cooper Cup who was all as a safety valve. So
McDonald said, well, there's still some reps that our negatives
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and the d like back, but that's true for everybody
on the offensive line, and we really like Anthony River's plan.
So he doesn't make it sound like he's gonna bench
Bradford five days after saying that. If you take McDonald
at his word and then stuff like that, he's been
pretty accurate about that, it would appear Sundell will come
back to center and over with Timmy will move back
to being a backup.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
I mean, I guess I'm not gonna sit and act
like I know more than the coach, and it just man,
it just seems like there's times that one you just
talked about turned into a touchdown, and yet there's a
lot of times you let a guy go run Scott
free at your quarterback and it turns into an interception
or a fumble.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
I mean, pass blocking wise, there that I've heard some
other people online talking about how he's improving.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Is he good at run blocking? Am I missing something?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
There?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is he good at? But run blocking? Is that something
he's improving at as well? Well?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Run blocking was his strength coming into the season. The
reason why he got the one of the reasons he
got the job is he's kind of a mall or
master guy in run blocking and pass blocking was what
he was struggling at in his first couple of years
in the league, and so they've kind of had that
in the back pocket. While he can run block and
that he has the entire offensive line frankly has had
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trouble run blocking. In the last month, Kenneth Walker has
some of the most majestic minus one yard runs in
the history of the NFL. In Atlanta was the same thing.
There were three or four dudes waiting on him before
he got the handoff, and he still would get a
one yard or no gain or two yards he could have.
Walker was probably not real thrilled with opportunities he got
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to carry the ball in Atlanta, because again, every one
of these games are his last auditions to get a
new contract next year. I can only imagine him thinking,
come on, I'm playing for my life football career and
try to get a new contract, and I've got four
guys waiting on me as I get the ball in
the backfield. So the entire offensive line has struggled in
there run blocking the last four weeks, including Bradford. The
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bottom line is they obviously don't think they've got anybody
better than Bradford. Christian Haynes has been sitting there as
a backup for two seasons now and he hasn't won
the job. And if they thought that Sundell was better
than Bradford, then they would put him in. But then
they I think they believe Sundell is better than Oloo
Tim at center. So it's I hate to say it's
by default, but they're going to go with the best
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Bradford they can have because I think He's the better
option of anything they happen right guard, right now.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Greg Bell is what us our Seahawks insider A fresh
off the plane from Atlanta, Georgia, and so we had
a lot to discuss today with the old man Rivers
and Jalen Sundell being activated. All we got time is
just to get your take What was your big takeaway
as you're flying home from Georgia. Long flight? What was
the one takeaway that you grabbed from a Seahawks thirty
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seven to nine went over the Falcon Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, that is a long flight, six hours, a long way.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, we really do.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Once you know the two best players I used to
say the best player in the team was Devin Witherspoon, Right,
the two best players in the team are Devin Witherspoon
and Nick Eun Worry, And they both dominated the game.
Emon Worry after the game. The stuff I was getting
from people, Jackson Spin and Jigbis says, I tell him
all the time that he can be a legend. And
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Witherspoon is. Witherspoon and his defensive court Aiden Dirty both
said there's nothing he can't do. The guys played ten
games in the league and they're already talking like legend
and there's nothing special. He just took over the game
the other day. There are eleven defensive statistics officially on
the in the NFL Game Statistic Book, the defensive player
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can have eleven stats across the board. Sacks, tackle for losses,
forced fumbles, interceptions, tackles, assists, solo as a supposed safety,
he's not a safety. He's a linebacker. He's a defensive end.
He's an side outside linebacker, he's a cover slot corner.
He's everything. He had nine of the eleven statistics you
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can have a defensive player. The only thing he didn't
have was a forced fumble thumbover recovery and Devin Witherspon
had that instead. Those two guys, because they can play
inside outside, near the line of scrimmage, out, they tackled
in the run game. Those two guys can win a
game for you, and they did against Atlanta. It's rare
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to say that two defensive backs, and again I don't
even I hesitate to call even worried defensive back. It's
rare to say. And my very few teams in the
NFL can say two defensive backs won us a game.
Two defensive backs won that game. Even Wary blocked a
field goal that the Falcons were trying to go in
for the go ahead scorer in this first half, and
then Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return actually woke them up. It
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was a six to sixth flog. It's easy to forget
about that, but at the start of the third quarter
they were not real thrilled with how that the whole
day was going, especially offensively. I would I am concerned
if I'm a Seahawk about how much Sam Donald turns
the ball over. I know it's not fashionable if you're
a Seahawks fan to say, well, they won thirty seven
to nine, and our quarterback through three touchdowns in the
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second half, he was twenty or thirty for two hundred
and forty eight yards. He actually had more yards than
he averages per game. A guy who's been leading the
league in the yards per attempt all season, yet he
turned it over again. And he leads the league with
sixteen turnovers. He has the most turnovers in the sport.
And I don't care how good Witherspoon and Emon Worri are.
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If you turn the ball over against the Rams of
forty nine ers, and in the playoffs you're out done.
And we saw it when the Seahawks went down to
Englewood four interceptions a game they should have won. The
defense only gave up one true touchdown drive they lost
twenty one nineteen because of four interceptions by Sam Donald.
He has a chance, if he doesn't fix the turnovers,
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to subvert the whole thing. And that's having said how
great he has been all season without the turnover. You
take away the turnovers, which is not easy. And he's
had a great season, but you cannot win in the
playoffs and go where you want to go turning the
ball over sixteen times in thirteen games. And to me,
that is where this season is boiled down to. They
have a championship super Bowl defense with a quarterback who's
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giving it away more than anybody in the league, and
they got to rectify that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, welcome back, thank you very much, great stuff as always.
Then we'll chat again.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Tomorrow, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
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rect reaction is ever going to stop to the college
football playoff. And look, I personally, I kind of like
I like the debate. I know college football likes the debate.
It stirs up interest in college football. This is one
of the things from a marketing standpoint that they've leaned
on to try to promote their popularity is having people
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rage on one end and disagree with this and disagree
with that, and yet they still use whatever flawed system
that they have to determine a national champion, and we
tip our cap to that national champion and recognize them
as such forever. So I kind of like that debate.
Number One, You and I disagreed a little bit on
who should have got in. I think Notre Dame should
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have got in. I think Miami should have gotten in,
and I think that Alabama should be the team sitting out.
But I will just say this as we have the
conversation now forty eight hours removed from the selection announcement.
I mean, it feels to me like there's more rage
over this than there has ever been when it comes
to the process that they use for determining a national champion.
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And I just think it's ridiculous. I mean, Notre Dame, Alabama,
and Miami all had very similar resumes and the eleventh
ranked team in the country didn't make the tournament. I mean,
long did we live with a system where they voted
for the number one team at the end of the
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year wasn't even determined on the field. And then it
went to a two team playoff, and in that scenario,
Ohio State had already be out. They lost Indiana, it
would be Indiana versus Georgia for the national championship. I
realized Ohio State's ranked number two, but there's no way
they would have put Indiana and Ohio State right back
into the same game, right, So that would be it.
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So the third team, Ohio State would be on the
outside looking in. Then they went to a four team format,
and that case, Oregon is on the outside looking in
and doesn't get a shot at a national championship. We've
left the eleventh ranked team in the country out, all
of them with at least two losses, one of them
with three losses. So even though I would have put
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Notre Dame in there, and I understand why Notre Dame
and their fan base and in the program and Marcus
Freeman are all hurt and they feel like they got misled,
which they did, they didn't get misled. Still, we have
such such a better system now for determining the national champion.
I don't know why we're not celebrating the actual tournament
now versus being angrier than ever before about who got
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left on the outside looking in.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Well, yeah, I mean I guess if you're comparing it
to the anger now versus before, yeah, I mean, it's silly.
This is the best situation we've had so far, just
simply by letting twelve teams in the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Years ago, Florida State was undefeated and didn't make the tournament.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well years ago they were pretty upset.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
They were pretty mad about it.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And because it was like, really, because our quarterbacks hurt,
you're not going to let us in.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
We just don't.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
We haven't lost. I mean, you're just gonna punish us
because of somebody getting hurt. That doesn't make any sense.
So you know, we're in a way better place. That
doesn't mean that there's not room for discussion, and I'm
kind of down for the discussion once it gets to
okay at the end of this thing, Now, explain where
you're coming from. It's the I think the anger comes
from the misleading part, Like you're talking about the thing,
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the hypocrisy that comes into account there, the fact that
we know that the SEC and the ESPN are in
bed together. I mean, that's there, that's their conference, and
I think there.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Is a political agenda to try to get Notre Dame
into a conference, which I'm all for and I'm tired
of your arrogance, Notre Dame, of not being in a conference.
But I think there was a little bit of a
message sent here, get in a conference. This is going
to happen to you every year.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Yeah, except that it's not because they have a memorandum,
a memorandum mirandum of understanding that starts next year. If
they're in the top twelve, they're automatically in, and then
after that if they're in the top thirteen.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
That's what their ad said yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh I did not know that. That does not make
any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I don't know how you get to have that.
I mean, good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I don't think that's true, well said, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I mean, I don't think they're going to.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Keep tweaking the rules. And I think it's fine to me.
It's the Okay. Notre Dame probably has the biggest right
to be upset or angry because of the fact that
up until the final poll you were you were ahead,
you look like you were going to get in there
out and then it's yeah, you can't be mad at
the rules being the JAMU and and Tulane get in.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's just the rule, that's just the rules.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
But you can be upset with Alabama not moving a
spot after getting whooped in a conference championship game. At
the same time, Alabama would be like, well, you can't
punish us for making it to the championship game.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's just all it is.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I can, though, I can. I think there is an argument.
You did earn the right to be in the conference
championship game by a tiebreaker system, and then you had
in your hands the chance to punch your ticket. Notre
Dame didn't get that chance. Now that's part they're part
to blame for that. Miami didn't get that chance. Why
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isn't Duke in If we're just gonna say no, no, no,
by the strict rules of winning your conference. Duke won
the conference, but we made determinations that Duke didn't do
enough to get in. I mean, Alabama's got a loss
to Florida State by fourteen points, a home loss to Oklahoma,
and their big win over Georgia just got wiped out
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by their big lopsided loss to Georgia. So I think
if Georgia loses that game, Georgia's in my In my opinion,
george is in Butre but Bama. The committee had just
said two weeks ago they were below Notre Dame, and
then they almost got beat by Auburn and moved ahead
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of them. So to me, you by a series of
tie breakers, you had the same record in conferences Ole
Miss Texas, A and M and Georgia, but by a
series of tie breakers you ended up in the conference
championship game. You got the chance to guarantee your spot
and then blew it. To me, I think it doesn't
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hurt you as like Georgia. It wouldn't have hurt them
so much that they fall out. Well when you already
have a resume that the committee announced to the world
is on par with Notre Dames in Miami's and you
didn't do anything to improve upon that over the last
couple of weeks, barely beating Auburn, losing blopsided to Georgia.
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To me, that's enough of a difference to pop you
out and put Notre Dame in Miami. Both in I.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
See, I wouldn't put I don't think Miami having lost
to SMU and Louisville is better as far as their
resume goes. All their wins included, which were less than
what Oklahoma's wins were included, are worse than Alabama's one
bad loss to FSU to start the year, and then
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they lose to an Oklahoma who's a top ten team
in the country, and then losing the conference championship game
to me, to me, Miami's resume is not as good
as Alabama's resume, even though they have one fewer loss.
Now that's I mean to some degree, that's where you
start getting into splitting hairs where it's like, yeah, no
matter how far you string this thing out, you're gonna
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probably have somebody that's upset. But to me, it's notre
name has a reason to be upset BYU has a
better strength to schedule, had a better strength of record.
Like there's four or five different metrics that the YEP
even though they.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Lost their conference championship game, which is not supposed to
be held against them.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Yeah, well, they only lost two games the entire season
against the number four ranked team in the country. Now,
all that that proves is you're just not as good
as Texas Tech. That doesn't prove that you're not good
enough to compete against the other people that are in
And then Texas, of all people, Texas gets there, they're
nine and two. They would have been ten and two
and probably sitting there, you know, with an opportunity to
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be in this whole thing had they not went and
played Ohio State in the first game of the season.
They're getting punished and there they.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Didn't start all And that goes back to my original statement,
like I'm not gonna sit here, and I mean, yes,
there are things to debate, and I can be on
Notre Dame side and Ashley could be on Texas side,
and you could be on Vanderbilt side. I mean, that's
a fun debate to have. But it just seems crazy
that we feel like it feels like we're having more
of a rage debate about this situation than we did
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about a hundred years of a horrible postseason system. There
are still flaws with this thing, but at least we
have moved in the direction of actually deciding a champion
the right way.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I'm one hundred percent with you.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
I think it's just when you do a show every
single week for five weeks and you rank people and
then all of a sudden there's hypocrisy in the way
in which your rankings come out, Well, then you need
to fix it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Is that better than just at the end of the
year everybody played, we'll we'll just guess we think that
team's better than that team you're the national champion, of course,
or just putting two teams in it, or having a
computer do it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But somewhere we're it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
We have to be able to get enough smart people
in a room to figure out how to put the
system together to where you're not feeling like there's going
to be rage at the end of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
All right, coming up next, we're dealing with that hetmospheric
rivers right now, and this Sunday, are we going to
deal with an atmospheric rivers? Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM car Gene Sterrador will join us at eight o'clock.
It's our weekly visit with CBS Rules Analyst, the greatest
NFL official of all time. By the way, this story
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snuck past all of us, but Ashley, it's actually true
that Notre Dame athletic director renounced something that no one
was aware of until yesterday, and it didn't even make
the headlines anywhere except apparently on the Dan Patrick Show,
that they have a memorandum of understanding that if they're
ranked in the top twelve going forward, that they have
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an automatic bid in the NCAA Tournament. I still don't
know if I'm buying it because I'm not hearing any
reaction from the College Football Playoff Committee, But I'll say this,
it's rife for the committee just ranking them thirteenth next
year on purpose.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Well, then I think they've got it set like two
that it's up to thirteenth, So they could be up
to thirteenth, but it depends on a twelve or fourteen
team playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
See, you just can't. That can't even happen, I mean
legally that can Can you imagine the storm we're gonna
have next year if they just put Notre Dame in
because of some unknown memorandum of understanding that they had
with the College Football Playoff Committee. Has anybody put this
through legal I don't know.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Maybe maybe he wasn't supposed to say anything.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well he hadn't. Nobody knew about it until yesterday.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Yeah, when he had his press conference.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to work.
I mean, it fits out there, then it's out there.
I just the idea of how you get to You
get to basically have some sort of rules that supersedes
the rest of the rules. Now, maybe that's in conjunction.
Maybe these people have had this in mind of like, Okay,
we're gonna have this way in which some teams outside
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of the Power four conferences now can get in here.
Right in the first year, we're getting going to reward
him with a buy and then they're gonna get smoked,
and then everybody's gonna realize, m maybe you don't deserve
a bye, so we'll move it back. But you still
get an opportunity to get in if you're the highest
ranked conference champion blah blah blah. And now all of
a sudden, depending on how these first couple games go
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with Tulane and JAMU, maybe they end up saying, Okay,
you're gonna still have a chance, but you gotta be supreme. Right,
you got to basically be up there, and there was
ranking somewhere, and if there is now an out large
spot that isn't taken by somebody that deserves to be
and even though if they lost a game where that
they maybe shouldn't have dropped early in the season, here's
your opportunity. All of that said, maybe that's the only
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way that they can say Notre Dame, Okay, we're gonna
have that for you if you're in the top twelve
or thirteen when we have a sixteen game, yeah, thing,
a sixteen game, sixteen team, sixteen team, yeah, a tournament
now all of a sudden. Maybe that's the way in
which the memorandum works, because it can't be if you're
ranked twelfth or thirteenth.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You get to jump somebody who's ninth or tenth. I mean,
could you imagine the poop storm that would happen if
that actually occurred?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
If the twelfth is supposed to be for next year, yeah,
and then I think after that, if it expands, then
it goes to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Okay, Well again, can you imagine the poop storm if
they jump two teams because before the season started they
had a handshake agreement because they're Notre Dame. Yeah, that
would be tough. There's no swallow. I mean, there's just
no way. Maybe he doesn't understand his memorandum of understanding.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I most certainly don't understand it.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Maybe it's a memorandum of misunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Maybe that's what it is, because I can't imagine that
college football is going to try to pull that next year. Eh, well,
I know Notre Dame's ranked twelve. We're gonna go ahead
and have them jump Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State here. Yeah,
could you imagine the pooh hitting the fan? Then, I
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mean the Pooh's hitting the fan? Now, yeah, I don't know.
I can't buy it. But that's news to me. So
maybe I don't have all of the information. But anyway,
we are going to talk about Philip Atmospheric Rivers possibly
playing this weekend. I mean, it is a long shot, people,
it's just this phenomenal story. Is he really coming out
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of retirement. I do get the impression that they might
sign him to a deal, but there doesn't seem to
be any chance that he will start by this Sunday
against Mike McDonald and the Seahawks. That just that seems
like cruel. So we'll talk about it a little bit
later on in the program. But Jeane Stertor is going
to join us next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
Then the shotgun formation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hurts looks over the defense shotgun snap five man Rush
blipses on pass. It's intercepting at the middle of the
twenty coming to the middle side twenty five. Then the
players hit the ball shot three. Hurts picked it up.
He loses the ball. The ball's rolling here sideline recovered
at the forty five. The Chargers have gotten the ball,
(00:24):
stopping the dry by Philadelphia. I think everybody touched that
ball on that play, bouncing from one player to the.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Nett A man, when you have a play as crazy
as that, you want Kevin Harlan on the call for sure. Yeah,
Westwood one, Kevin Harlan. Of course he does that crazy
ass play Justice. We've never seen a play like that.
Just like Tim Kirk, he love spints.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You never know.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You gotta see.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That was nuts.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah. Jalen ERTs through an interception and fumbled the ball
on the same play. I'm to leave it right there.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look
it up. Think I'm lying. He threw an interception fumble
the ball on the exact same play. The Philadelphia Eagles
lose again to the Los Angeles Chargers. That's where our
frost brewed course liked Choose Chill headlines will begin on
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Monday Night. Football twenty two to nineteen was the final score.
Eagles aren't very good. They haven't been good all season long.
They're eight and five and still have a very good
chance of making the playoffs. But if you want to
talk about a team that won the championship and then
let everything else get in the way, including the clubhouse
(01:38):
issues that they had, that seems like they have some
coaching issues. They're not playing well offensively, defense have been
pretty good all season long, but they just don't look
like a team. They do not look better than the
Cowboys right now.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah, I would probably go with that. I mean, offensively,
they've been scuffling all year long. Defensively they play well,
and they still seem dangerous. Even saw Spurts last night
when Sakwan would get rolling, and yet Jalen Hurts had
two interceptions.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Going to the game. He threw four last night.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Not even that's not even a fumble fumble after an interception.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, college football, Rick new Isiel to the Koogs. Rumors
are all over the place. We're actually going to ask
him about it today, That's right. He joins us live
at nine o'clock, so we'll get it straight from the
horse's mouth. The Huskies will play in the LA Ball
It's the first bowl game of bowl season. It's this Saturday,
so just rip that band aid off. College football playoff
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won't start until the nineteenth of December. It's Army Navy Week.
Maybe a topic that'll come up with our next guest.
Also this Saturday, the Heisman Trophy will be announced. We
know the finalist Julian Sayan of Ohio State, Diego Pavia,
the quarterback at Vanderbilt, Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love,
and the favorite, Fernando Mendoza, quarterback of the Indiana Hoosiers.
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The crack and lose again. They've lost six straight games.
They lost the wild last night by a final score
of four to one. Here on a Craken Ticket Tuesday, ever,
it fits you will join us to discuss their woes
at eight thirty today. And the Major League Baseball Winter
Meetings are ongoing. No activity I mean, I mean they've
been a couple of minor pitching signings that have taken place,
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but for the most part, squad Dooche has occurred down
there in Orlando Magic Kingdom, my sweet ass. So we'll
see if it starts to pop here today as the
Winter Meetings continue in Florida, and it's about time we
had a chance to chat with Greg Bell and we
have oh so much to discuss, including the big headline
(03:38):
of the day. Are the Seahawks really going to face
Philip Rivers this Sunday? That's right, I'm not making that up.
It's a possibility. Let's talk to Greg Bell with.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The bell tolls.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
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Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now with what man, Dudes, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
and but Beat.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Maybe Yeah, I can't wait, you're going yes, oh yes,
it's been McIntyre and I are flying out to Thursday morning,
two days and we'll be on the air Friday from
one and I think it's noon until I don't even
know Friday afternoon for three hours. Guest galore, lots of
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Army Navy talks, great in Baltimore, from the inner Harbor.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, love that for you. How do you feel about
a win.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Tough this year? Yeah you had a good season. Yeah,
maybe nine and three and Army six and six snuck.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Into a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But there the old cliche, throw out the records. I
think I've told you my sophomore year, we were seven
and three and maybe was zero to ten in the meadowlands.
It was like four below zero wins everywhere, and some
kicker trotted out in the wind and kicked a forty
yard field goal for Navy and beat.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Us on the last play.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It was gross four and ten Navy beat US. So
I think I've mentioned when you go around the Army,
when you're in the Army, the West Point graduates and
you see him at events across the world. When they
say hi to him and you introduce yourself as an
Army or West Point graduate, they just say, what was
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your record against Navy? Not that they didn't, you know,
only only a certain number of people played football. I
didn't play on the Army football team. Yet that record
stays with you. I was two and two, two.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And two, all right, that stays with it?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, uh, you know it's gonna be fun, and we
got the right people on the job, so excited that
you get to go check this out. All right, Well,
let's dive into this. We didn't get to chat with
you about the game on Sunday, but here we are
on Tuesday, and there's already something far more interesting. What
was your reaction when you heard the Philip Rivers could
be the colts next quarterback story yesterday?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, I laughed, he's yesterday. It was forty fourth birthday,
and I thought immediately when I was forty four, which
is now eleven years ago, I couldn't even think of
playing in a Turkey Bowl Thanksgiving game with my friends,
let alone an NFL game. The other thing that's funny
about this is, as you probably have mentioned, he's a
semifinalist to be inducted in the Canton next summer to
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the Hall of Fame. He hasn't played since twenty twenty.
He's a semifinalist on the ballot for twenty twenty six,
and if he gets into a game, if they do
sign him and he plays this year, the Hall of
Fame is going to rip his He can't get inducted
until five years from now. They're going to pull his ballot,
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they will pull his candidacy and he won't get inducted
next summer. Well, let's just be straight. Even if he does.
If the tryout goes visit goes great. In Indianapolis today
and he signed to the practice squad, it would defy
logic that he plays Sunday in Seattle, because one, he's
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been on his couch for five years. But two, you
just can't roll into an NFL headquarters on a Tuesday
without five years of knowledge about anything they do. And
this is a brand new system compared to the one
River's ended his career in Indianapolis with the Stanstik and there,
I can't fathom that he would be spun up enough
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on what they want to do to play. Having said that,
they are in dire straits a quarterback. Obviously, with the
Coles effector even talking to him, it looked like Riley
Leonard was going to be the quarterback. Now that Daniel
Jones says the Achilles injury Leonard finished up against the
Jacksonville the other day, but not Riley Leonard's hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Two.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So britt Rippon Shado Park High School, Spokane is the
practice squad quarterback. So really what the culture looking at is,
if Riley Leonard can't play the rookie from Notre Dame,
do they just do we bring Philip Rivers out of
five years of retirement or do we go with Brett Rippon.
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Either way, obviously it's advantage Seahawks and so there.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Yeah, and they seem to figure out a way to
play some backup quarterbacks. It seems like every single year.
I mean, it would be it would be unusual to
play one that was not hasn't even been in the
league for five years.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That would be odd.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
And you're right, I don't think it's probably likely that
he would be ready to go. And yet I think
that they already did the workout last night and that
now they're just discussing whether and how they're going to
move forward with the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Regardless, we shall see.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I would imagine somebody that knows the system, like ripping
like you were talking about. So but besides that, Okay,
so if they come in here and they're gone, their
second string quarterback in Riley Leonard that's injured, if he
is his knees, okay to go, or it's some guy
off the practice squad, I mean, is there just you
go out there and you say, we're just gonna shut
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Jonathan Taylor down and we're not gonna worry about anything else.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, this would be the fourth consecutive game that they
have faced either a rookie or backup quarterback. That's cam
Ward in Tennessee. Then they had brand new rookie Max Brosmer,
first time ever starting from Minnesota. Then Kirk Cousins, who
is of course not a rookie, but he is a backup.
He's not Michael Michael Pennix in Atlanta. And now it
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would be whoever, Bradley Leonard or Brett Rippen. And I
asked Mike McDonald about that yesterday. I said, what is
it about your defense that you were trying to put
the quarterback in a quantity? What are you trying to
do to a quarterback, whether it's experienced or rookie. And
he knew where I was headed with that, and so
he just said, well, we just do our thing and
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our process and blah blah blah. But suffice to say
that they're catching breaks here. If they're playing a forty
four year old five years of retirement, they've caught a
massive break. And now before Daniel Jones got hurt. The
Colts were in trouble. They've lost four out of five.
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They had fallen off a cliff offensively. Even when Jones
was healthy. Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve as the backup.
He's not an option either, the top draft pick from
a couple of years ago. So they're already talking about
the season being over, even though it's still just eight
and five in Indianapolis. So it wasn't they were already
going to catch a break here in this one. Now
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they're not catching a break on Thursday, four days after
this game, when they play the Rams. But no matter
how the Colts quarterback situation shakes out on Sunday, it
would be a massive disappointment at the Seahorks on eleven
and three heading into that Rams game on next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I said all last week, this will be the
last game that you probably should have handle with ease,
And now all of a sudden, you're facing another one
in Indianapolis, a struggling team that maybe down to the
practice squad quarterback starting against you. So it should be
another game that falls right into the Seahawks lap. Greg
(11:16):
Bell is with US our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune.
You can follow him at email Seattle, on Twitter, and
of course, follow his complete coverage of the Seahawks at
the Newstribune dot com. On the Seahawks front, Jalen Sundell
has got his windows started to return. How quickly do
you think it'll take before he's actually playing again.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, they haven't officially done that because they don't have
to till Wednesday when they actually have a practice, So
I'm expecting them that'll be the start of the twenty
one days. I don't think it's going to take long.
And talking to people in the building, it sounds like
Sundell has been healthy for a week or so and
if they would have been able to, they would have
had him return to practice last week. The rules where
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we had to wait four weeks, So here we go.
I asked again yesterday to McDonald he's going to play
garter center, and he wouldn't tell me. Of course, he
did say that Anthony Bradford is playing the best he's
ever put he's played for him. He said that Bradford
was their highest rated offensive lineman in Atlanta, and he
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said his confidence is he doesn't think Bradford's confidence has
ever been higher in his career than it is right now.
He said that he has a really good punch, in
particular in pass protection on the three touchdown passes by
the Saar Scott in the second half from Sam Donald.
Two of the three really good pass protection sets by Bradford.
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One of them he double teamed with over Timmy the center,
and they allowed the corner of the safety up the middle,
just the defensive back blitz a wide open on free blitz,
but Donald got away and threw the touchdown pass the
Cooper Cup who was all as a safety valve. So
McDonald said, well, there's still some reps that our negatives
(13:00):
and the d like back, but that's true for everybody
on the offensive line, and we really like Anthony River's plan.
So he doesn't make it sound like he's gonna bench
Bradford five days after saying that. If you take McDonald
at his word and then stuff like that, he's been
pretty accurate about that, it would appear Sundell will come
back to center and over with Timmy will move back
to being a backup.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
I mean, I guess I'm not gonna sit and act
like I know more than the coach, and it just man,
it just seems like there's times that one you just
talked about turned into a touchdown, and yet there's a
lot of times you let a guy go run Scott
free at your quarterback and it turns into an interception
or a fumble.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
I mean, pass blocking wise, there that I've heard some
other people online talking about how he's improving.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Is he good at run blocking? Am I missing something?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
There?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is he good at? But run blocking? Is that something
he's improving at as well? Well?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Run blocking was his strength coming into the season. The
reason why he got the one of the reasons he
got the job is he's kind of a mall or
master guy in run blocking and pass blocking was what
he was struggling at in his first couple of years
in the league, and so they've kind of had that
in the back pocket. While he can run block and
that he has the entire offensive line frankly has had
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trouble run blocking. In the last month, Kenneth Walker has
some of the most majestic minus one yard runs in
the history of the NFL. In Atlanta was the same thing.
There were three or four dudes waiting on him before
he got the handoff, and he still would get a
one yard or no gain or two yards he could have.
Walker was probably not real thrilled with opportunities he got
(14:37):
to carry the ball in Atlanta, because again, every one
of these games are his last auditions to get a
new contract next year. I can only imagine him thinking,
come on, I'm playing for my life football career and
try to get a new contract, and I've got four
guys waiting on me as I get the ball in
the backfield. So the entire offensive line has struggled in
there run blocking the last four weeks, including Bradford. The
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bottom line is they obviously don't think they've got anybody
better than Bradford. Christian Haynes has been sitting there as
a backup for two seasons now and he hasn't won
the job. And if they thought that Sundell was better
than Bradford, then they would put him in. But then
they I think they believe Sundell is better than Oloo
Tim at center. So it's I hate to say it's
by default, but they're going to go with the best
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Bradford they can have because I think He's the better
option of anything they happen right guard, right now.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Greg Bell is what us our Seahawks insider A fresh
off the plane from Atlanta, Georgia, and so we had
a lot to discuss today with the old man Rivers
and Jalen Sundell being activated. All we got time is
just to get your take What was your big takeaway
as you're flying home from Georgia. Long flight? What was
the one takeaway that you grabbed from a Seahawks thirty
(15:51):
seven to nine went over the Falcon Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, that is a long flight, six hours, a long way.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, we really do.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Once you know the two best players I used to
say the best player in the team was Devin Witherspoon, Right,
the two best players in the team are Devin Witherspoon
and Nick Eun Worry, And they both dominated the game.
Emon Worry after the game. The stuff I was getting
from people, Jackson Spin and Jigbis says, I tell him
all the time that he can be a legend. And
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Witherspoon is. Witherspoon and his defensive court Aiden Dirty both
said there's nothing he can't do. The guys played ten
games in the league and they're already talking like legend
and there's nothing special. He just took over the game
the other day. There are eleven defensive statistics officially on
the in the NFL Game Statistic Book, the defensive player
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can have eleven stats across the board. Sacks, tackle for losses,
forced fumbles, interceptions, tackles, assists, solo as a supposed safety,
he's not a safety. He's a linebacker. He's a defensive end.
He's an side outside linebacker, he's a cover slot corner.
He's everything. He had nine of the eleven statistics you
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can have a defensive player. The only thing he didn't
have was a forced fumble thumbover recovery and Devin Witherspon
had that instead. Those two guys, because they can play
inside outside, near the line of scrimmage, out, they tackled
in the run game. Those two guys can win a
game for you, and they did against Atlanta. It's rare
(17:29):
to say that two defensive backs, and again I don't
even I hesitate to call even worried defensive back. It's
rare to say. And my very few teams in the
NFL can say two defensive backs won us a game.
Two defensive backs won that game. Even Wary blocked a
field goal that the Falcons were trying to go in
for the go ahead scorer in this first half, and
then Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return actually woke them up. It
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was a six to sixth flog. It's easy to forget
about that, but at the start of the third quarter
they were not real thrilled with how that the whole
day was going, especially offensively. I would I am concerned
if I'm a Seahawk about how much Sam Donald turns
the ball over. I know it's not fashionable if you're
a Seahawks fan to say, well, they won thirty seven
to nine, and our quarterback through three touchdowns in the
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second half, he was twenty or thirty for two hundred
and forty eight yards. He actually had more yards than
he averages per game. A guy who's been leading the
league in the yards per attempt all season, yet he
turned it over again. And he leads the league with
sixteen turnovers. He has the most turnovers in the sport.
And I don't care how good Witherspoon and Emon Worri are.
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If you turn the ball over against the Rams of
forty nine ers, and in the playoffs you're out done.
And we saw it when the Seahawks went down to
Englewood four interceptions a game they should have won. The
defense only gave up one true touchdown drive they lost
twenty one nineteen because of four interceptions by Sam Donald.
He has a chance, if he doesn't fix the turnovers,
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to subvert the whole thing. And that's having said how
great he has been all season without the turnover. You
take away the turnovers, which is not easy. And he's
had a great season, but you cannot win in the
playoffs and go where you want to go turning the
ball over sixteen times in thirteen games. And to me,
that is where this season is boiled down to. They
have a championship super Bowl defense with a quarterback who's
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giving it away more than anybody in the league, and
they got to rectify that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, welcome back, thank you very much, great stuff as always.
Then we'll chat again.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Tomorrow, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
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rect reaction is ever going to stop to the college
football playoff. And look, I personally, I kind of like
I like the debate. I know college football likes the debate.
It stirs up interest in college football. This is one
of the things from a marketing standpoint that they've leaned
on to try to promote their popularity is having people
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rage on one end and disagree with this and disagree
with that, and yet they still use whatever flawed system
that they have to determine a national champion, and we
tip our cap to that national champion and recognize them
as such forever. So I kind of like that debate.
Number One, You and I disagreed a little bit on
who should have got in. I think Notre Dame should
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have got in. I think Miami should have gotten in,
and I think that Alabama should be the team sitting out.
But I will just say this as we have the
conversation now forty eight hours removed from the selection announcement.
I mean, it feels to me like there's more rage
over this than there has ever been when it comes
to the process that they use for determining a national champion.
(21:44):
And I just think it's ridiculous. I mean, Notre Dame, Alabama,
and Miami all had very similar resumes and the eleventh
ranked team in the country didn't make the tournament. I mean,
long did we live with a system where they voted
for the number one team at the end of the
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year wasn't even determined on the field. And then it
went to a two team playoff, and in that scenario,
Ohio State had already be out. They lost Indiana, it
would be Indiana versus Georgia for the national championship. I
realized Ohio State's ranked number two, but there's no way
they would have put Indiana and Ohio State right back
into the same game, right, So that would be it.
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So the third team, Ohio State would be on the
outside looking in. Then they went to a four team format,
and that case, Oregon is on the outside looking in
and doesn't get a shot at a national championship. We've
left the eleventh ranked team in the country out, all
of them with at least two losses, one of them
with three losses. So even though I would have put
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Notre Dame in there, and I understand why Notre Dame
and their fan base and in the program and Marcus
Freeman are all hurt and they feel like they got misled,
which they did, they didn't get misled. Still, we have
such such a better system now for determining the national champion.
I don't know why we're not celebrating the actual tournament
now versus being angrier than ever before about who got
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left on the outside looking in.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Well, yeah, I mean I guess if you're comparing it
to the anger now versus before, yeah, I mean, it's silly.
This is the best situation we've had so far, just
simply by letting twelve teams in the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Years ago, Florida State was undefeated and didn't make the tournament.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well years ago they were pretty upset.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
They were pretty mad about it.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And because it was like, really, because our quarterbacks hurt,
you're not going to let us in.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
We just don't.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
We haven't lost. I mean, you're just gonna punish us
because of somebody getting hurt. That doesn't make any sense.
So you know, we're in a way better place. That
doesn't mean that there's not room for discussion, and I'm
kind of down for the discussion once it gets to
okay at the end of this thing, Now, explain where
you're coming from. It's the I think the anger comes
from the misleading part, Like you're talking about the thing,
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the hypocrisy that comes into account there, the fact that
we know that the SEC and the ESPN are in
bed together. I mean, that's there, that's their conference, and
I think there.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Is a political agenda to try to get Notre Dame
into a conference, which I'm all for and I'm tired
of your arrogance, Notre Dame, of not being in a conference.
But I think there was a little bit of a
message sent here, get in a conference. This is going
to happen to you every year.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Yeah, except that it's not because they have a memorandum,
a memorandum mirandum of understanding that starts next year. If
they're in the top twelve, they're automatically in, and then
after that if they're in the top thirteen.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
That's what their ad said yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh I did not know that. That does not make
any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I don't know how you get to have that.
I mean, good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I don't think that's true, well said, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I mean, I don't think they're going to.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Keep tweaking the rules. And I think it's fine to me.
It's the Okay. Notre Dame probably has the biggest right
to be upset or angry because of the fact that
up until the final poll you were you were ahead,
you look like you were going to get in there
out and then it's yeah, you can't be mad at
the rules being the JAMU and and Tulane get in.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's just the rule, that's just the rules.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
But you can be upset with Alabama not moving a
spot after getting whooped in a conference championship game. At
the same time, Alabama would be like, well, you can't
punish us for making it to the championship game.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's just all it is.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I can, though, I can. I think there is an argument.
You did earn the right to be in the conference
championship game by a tiebreaker system, and then you had
in your hands the chance to punch your ticket. Notre
Dame didn't get that chance. Now that's part they're part
to blame for that. Miami didn't get that chance. Why
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isn't Duke in If we're just gonna say no, no, no,
by the strict rules of winning your conference. Duke won
the conference, but we made determinations that Duke didn't do
enough to get in. I mean, Alabama's got a loss
to Florida State by fourteen points, a home loss to Oklahoma,
and their big win over Georgia just got wiped out
(26:11):
by their big lopsided loss to Georgia. So I think
if Georgia loses that game, Georgia's in my In my opinion,
george is in Butre but Bama. The committee had just
said two weeks ago they were below Notre Dame, and
then they almost got beat by Auburn and moved ahead
(26:32):
of them. So to me, you by a series of
tie breakers, you had the same record in conferences Ole
Miss Texas, A and M and Georgia, but by a
series of tie breakers you ended up in the conference
championship game. You got the chance to guarantee your spot
and then blew it. To me, I think it doesn't
(26:55):
hurt you as like Georgia. It wouldn't have hurt them
so much that they fall out. Well when you already
have a resume that the committee announced to the world
is on par with Notre Dames in Miami's and you
didn't do anything to improve upon that over the last
couple of weeks, barely beating Auburn, losing blopsided to Georgia.
(27:16):
To me, that's enough of a difference to pop you
out and put Notre Dame in Miami. Both in I.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
See, I wouldn't put I don't think Miami having lost
to SMU and Louisville is better as far as their
resume goes. All their wins included, which were less than
what Oklahoma's wins were included, are worse than Alabama's one
bad loss to FSU to start the year, and then
(27:42):
they lose to an Oklahoma who's a top ten team
in the country, and then losing the conference championship game
to me, to me, Miami's resume is not as good
as Alabama's resume, even though they have one fewer loss.
Now that's I mean to some degree, that's where you
start getting into splitting hairs where it's like, yeah, no
matter how far you string this thing out, you're gonna
(28:04):
probably have somebody that's upset. But to me, it's notre
name has a reason to be upset BYU has a
better strength to schedule, had a better strength of record.
Like there's four or five different metrics that the YEP
even though they.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Lost their conference championship game, which is not supposed to
be held against them.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Yeah, well, they only lost two games the entire season
against the number four ranked team in the country. Now,
all that that proves is you're just not as good
as Texas Tech. That doesn't prove that you're not good
enough to compete against the other people that are in
And then Texas, of all people, Texas gets there, they're
nine and two. They would have been ten and two
and probably sitting there, you know, with an opportunity to
(28:44):
be in this whole thing had they not went and
played Ohio State in the first game of the season.
They're getting punished and there they.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Didn't start all And that goes back to my original statement,
like I'm not gonna sit here, and I mean, yes,
there are things to debate, and I can be on
Notre Dame side and Ashley could be on Texas side,
and you could be on Vanderbilt side. I mean, that's
a fun debate to have. But it just seems crazy
that we feel like it feels like we're having more
of a rage debate about this situation than we did
(29:13):
about a hundred years of a horrible postseason system. There
are still flaws with this thing, but at least we
have moved in the direction of actually deciding a champion
the right way.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I'm one hundred percent with you.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
I think it's just when you do a show every
single week for five weeks and you rank people and
then all of a sudden there's hypocrisy in the way
in which your rankings come out, Well, then you need
to fix it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Now.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Is that better than just at the end of the
year everybody played, we'll we'll just guess we think that
team's better than that team you're the national champion, of course,
or just putting two teams in it, or having a
computer do it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But somewhere we're it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
We have to be able to get enough smart people
in a room to figure out how to put the
system together to where you're not feeling like there's going
to be rage at the end of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
All right, coming up next, we're dealing with that hetmospheric
rivers right now, and this Sunday, are we going to
deal with an atmospheric rivers? Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM car Gene Sterrador will join us at eight o'clock.
It's our weekly visit with CBS Rules Analyst, the greatest
NFL official of all time. By the way, this story
(30:20):
snuck past all of us, but Ashley, it's actually true
that Notre Dame athletic director renounced something that no one
was aware of until yesterday, and it didn't even make
the headlines anywhere except apparently on the Dan Patrick Show,
that they have a memorandum of understanding that if they're
ranked in the top twelve going forward, that they have
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an automatic bid in the NCAA Tournament. I still don't
know if I'm buying it because I'm not hearing any
reaction from the College Football Playoff Committee, But I'll say this,
it's rife for the committee just ranking them thirteenth next
year on purpose.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Well, then I think they've got it set like two
that it's up to thirteenth, So they could be up
to thirteenth, but it depends on a twelve or fourteen
team playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
See, you just can't. That can't even happen, I mean
legally that can Can you imagine the storm we're gonna
have next year if they just put Notre Dame in
because of some unknown memorandum of understanding that they had
with the College Football Playoff Committee. Has anybody put this
through legal I don't know.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Maybe maybe he wasn't supposed to say anything.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well he hadn't. Nobody knew about it until yesterday.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Yeah, when he had his press conference.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to work.
I mean, it fits out there, then it's out there.
I just the idea of how you get to You
get to basically have some sort of rules that supersedes
the rest of the rules. Now, maybe that's in conjunction.
Maybe these people have had this in mind of like, Okay,
we're gonna have this way in which some teams outside
(31:51):
of the Power four conferences now can get in here.
Right in the first year, we're getting going to reward
him with a buy and then they're gonna get smoked,
and then everybody's gonna realize, m maybe you don't deserve
a bye, so we'll move it back. But you still
get an opportunity to get in if you're the highest
ranked conference champion blah blah blah. And now all of
a sudden, depending on how these first couple games go
(32:13):
with Tulane and JAMU, maybe they end up saying, Okay,
you're gonna still have a chance, but you gotta be supreme. Right,
you got to basically be up there, and there was
ranking somewhere, and if there is now an out large
spot that isn't taken by somebody that deserves to be
and even though if they lost a game where that
they maybe shouldn't have dropped early in the season, here's
your opportunity. All of that said, maybe that's the only
(32:36):
way that they can say Notre Dame, Okay, we're gonna
have that for you if you're in the top twelve
or thirteen when we have a sixteen game, yeah, thing,
a sixteen game, sixteen team, sixteen team, yeah, a tournament
now all of a sudden. Maybe that's the way in
which the memorandum works, because it can't be if you're
ranked twelfth or thirteenth.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You get to jump somebody who's ninth or tenth. I mean,
could you imagine the poop storm that would happen if
that actually occurred?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
If the twelfth is supposed to be for next year, yeah,
and then I think after that, if it expands, then
it goes to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Okay, Well again, can you imagine the poop storm if
they jump two teams because before the season started they
had a handshake agreement because they're Notre Dame. Yeah, that
would be tough. There's no swallow. I mean, there's just
no way. Maybe he doesn't understand his memorandum of understanding.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I most certainly don't understand it.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Maybe it's a memorandum of misunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Maybe that's what it is, because I can't imagine that
college football is going to try to pull that next year. Eh, well,
I know Notre Dame's ranked twelve. We're gonna go ahead
and have them jump Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State here. Yeah,
could you imagine the pooh hitting the fan? Then, I
(33:51):
mean the Pooh's hitting the fan? Now, yeah, I don't know.
I can't buy it. But that's news to me. So
maybe I don't have all of the information. But anyway,
we are going to talk about Philip Atmospheric Rivers possibly
playing this weekend. I mean, it is a long shot, people,
it's just this phenomenal story. Is he really coming out
(34:13):
of retirement. I do get the impression that they might
sign him to a deal, but there doesn't seem to
be any chance that he will start by this Sunday
against Mike McDonald and the Seahawks. That just that seems
like cruel. So we'll talk about it a little bit
later on in the program. But Jeane Stertor is going
to join us next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
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