DICK FAIN joins us for the Seahawks One Series as we discuss what we expect from Tory Horton in 2026. We saw flashes, but we didn’t get to see a lot from Horton in 2025 due to injury. How will he fit into the offense this season and what’s the ceiling for the young wide receiver? :30- It’s time for the baseball Brunch starring Mitch Garver and the travel woes of Nick Davila. What did we learn today kids? New Garv is better than Old Garv, defense can help you win and technology can be our friend! :45- Game 4 of the NBA Finals is tonight in New York. Will we see the Knicks rise to the occasion and win a game at home, or will the Spurs even the series before they head back to San Antonio?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And much much more to cover. But man, that music
has come to mean something. It means It's time for
the Seahawks One series. It's something that we do every June.
Once per day, we bring on one of the top
minds in all of Seattle to break down one key
Seahawk player for one entire interview, and today we've tabbed
one from inside the house joining us on the program.
(00:23):
He is the venerable host co host of the Softy
and Dick radio program. Dick Fane now joins us here
on Chuck and Buck in the mornings. Good morning, sir,
Hi Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm doing. I'm good. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What's going on with I'm as? I mean, I'm better
than Old Garve, not as good as New GARV.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, there's a big gap there, right when.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You agree, yes, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, you want to wake up feeling like NEWGARF. You
don't want to feel like too. And I've had both.
I've had both mornings. There's no question about it for sure. Yeah,
Oldgarb had bad breath. New Garb that sounds like Centnimon.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Absolutely, that was a really good comparison you made last seven.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I wanted to honor you in that. Well, thank you,
I appreciate that. All right, Well, Seahawks one series, So
one analyst breaking down one key Shawk player for one
entire interview. We've got our analyst here, It's Dick Fane,
and so what player do you like would you like
to break down for us today?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Ah number fifteen in your program, number one in your hearts,
we saw flashes of greatness and then we saw a
whole lot of nothing that would be a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Tory Horton, Oh, Tory Horton, all right, very good, very good.
What is the role that you foresee for Tory Horton
in twenty twenty six? Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, let's let's hope that all indications that he's coming
back in August and we'll be ready for at least
a good portion, if not all, of training camp. Let's
just assume those are correct, because this is the longest
shin injury I think I can ever remember in the
history of shin injuries. So let's let's just assume that
(02:09):
he is back. And I think the thing that jumps
out about Tory Horton is his ability to just find
the end zone and you know, and taking a look
at his history, I mean this is nothing new. I
mean forty seven out of his three hundred and fifteen
catches in his football life have been touchdowns. I mean
it's gone all the way back to high school. I
was looking at his high school numbers, and I mean
(02:29):
he didn't catch a lot of passes, but the passes
he caught were touchdowns. I mean fifteen of his thirty
seven catches were for touchdowns. He had more touchdown success
in college. And then you know, five catches, five catches
for touchdowns in thirteen receptions last year for the Seahawks,
and he also had a kick return for a touchdown.
So I mean, a guy finds the end zone. So
(02:50):
I think that's something and really that's something that the
Seahawks have lacked for a long time. I mean, when's
the last time the Seahawks really had, you know, a
red zone threat that just had a nose for it.
So I think that's probably the role for him. It's
not going to be quantity necessarily. I don't think we're
going to see seventy catches from Tory Horton unless Cooper
(03:12):
Cup you know, proves that he just can't play anymore.
And Rashid Shaheed gets injured or is ineffective, then maybe
Tory Horton becomes your number two wide receiver behind JSN.
But I think for that could be the role down
the road a little bit. But for this year, I mean,
I think the role is get him in there in
red zone situations. Hopefully get him, you know, fifty ish targets,
(03:37):
thirty catches, thirty five catches, and maybe at least match
his touchdown output from last year. If not, you know,
get up there into seven eight nine touchdown range.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah. What did Buddy Ryan famously say or infamously say
about Chris Carter before he cut him? All he does
is catch touchdowns, and that's right. Maybe we got the
next Chris Carter on our hands here.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That would be really nice. Dick Faine with us our
Seahawks one series, He's chosen Tory Horton to break down.
I go back to the beginning of last year, and man,
we were really worried collectively as a Seahawk fan base
and as I think a radio station, do we have
a deep threat in our receiving game Cup and JSN
seem to be the same type of receiver, and of
(04:21):
course JSN went on to become the best receiver in
the National Football League last year, And yet we go
into this season with Horton having shown that ability and
Rashid Shahed now on the roster. They never shared the
field at the exact same time. So do you think
that we have number one, avoided that question mark heading
(04:43):
into this year? And then number two, how do you
perceive Horton and Shahed sharing a field together?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, and both on offense and on special teams too, right,
I mean, what's going to be the punt return situation?
I would imagine that, you know, depends. I think it
depends a lot on the production level of Shahed. I
think he's going to get the first opportunity. He's the
guy that that you gave the contract to, and you know,
he still got at least one, if not two years
(05:13):
left on that on that contract, I mean, it's a
three year deal. But I mean, I don't think you're
going to be paying Rashid Shahed at age thirty, a
twenty million dollar cap hit in twenty twenty eight, So
it's probably a two year contract for Rashid Shahed. And
and so it just depends I mean, I saw I
watched Shahid yesterday at practice. He actually had a play
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on the sidelines that I really didn't know that he
was capable of making, where it was kind of a
little out route and he got in front of the air,
he got right in front of the cornerback, you know,
chopped his feet, you know, broke down and got by him.
I mean that that to me wasn't something that I'd
seen Rashid Shahed do. And and we've had a lot
of questions from Hugh Millen on really how good a
(05:55):
receiver is Rashid Shahed really right? I mean, and he
was always said, hey, he can take the top off.
He's an elite, elite, elite return man. But he's just
right now kind of a mediocre wide receiver. But I
guess you could still get a little bit of improvement
from Shaheed because it's not like he's been used a
ton in his career, and so his balance with Horton,
(06:19):
I mean, it's a good problem to have. It's funny
because you have a lot of pass catchers on this
team that we all know, we all recognize the names,
and yet when you really break it down, do the
Seahawks really have a legitimate number two wide receiver on
their roster, and I think the question is still out
there to be had. I mean, we have no idea
(06:39):
because Cupp would have been that guy, but he might
be old. Rashid Shaheed could be that guy, but he's
really talented enough at the wide receiver position to be
a legitimate number two because the number two guys getting
you know, ninety targets. He's getting sixty catches, he's getting
eight hundred yards. I mean, that's what a number two
wide receiver does on a football team. Is it Tory Horton?
(07:01):
Could it be Tory Horton down the road because he's
so young. I mean, Horton's only twenty three years of age.
He's gonna be twenty three most of this season. So
I think that's gonna be fascinating to watch Chuck during
training camp when Horton comes back. How they use those
two guys they is one simply a replacement for another?
Or do they use them together? And who becomes I
(07:23):
don't know. I mean, honestly, if I had to guess
who's the number two guy in catches this year, I mean,
could it possibly be aj Barner, could it maybe not
even be a wide receiver who gets the most amount
of looks in the most amount of catches, because I
really feel like A. J. Barner is the is the
next guy on that offense to kind of step up
(07:44):
and become potentially that borderline Pro Bowl level player on
your offense.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't rule that out myself. Dick Vane
with us here on our Seahawks one Series one analyst
breaking down one key Seahawk player for one entire interview,
and today we're breaking down Tory Horton, number fifteen, the
wide receiver who did make an impression last year, no
question about it, but he only played eight games in
doing so five touchdowns. But his season ends with that,
(08:11):
like you said, the longest shin injury of all time.
His college career also ended with an injury, and we
didn't get to see him the lot in his last season.
I mean, we have to be careful of sports talk
show hosts not to take lightly injuries and not to
you know, cast dispersions because we know how physical the
game is. But there are some guys, Dick, I mean CJ.
(08:35):
Procie for Shad Penny. I mean, maybe they did just
have bad luck, or maybe they were injury prone and
couldn't hold up in the rugged gladiator National Football League.
How much of you is a little worried about whether
or not Tory Horton is one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, yeah, I kind of looked bad when I pushed
back at Softy and in the beginning of the season
before this long to shin injury of all time and stop,
He's like, well, you know he's he's injury prone. I
was like, what do you mean he's injury prone? I
mean he tore it like he tore his knee once
in college, and you know that's that's one injury. Is
that really injury prone? And now here I'm here, I'm
talking about the longest shin injury of all time. So maybe,
(09:16):
I mean I'm not I'm still not ready. I don't
love the injury prone label. And you mentioned the I
mean you mentioned the poster child. I mean C J.
Pros is the poster child, and Rashad Penny is probably
a close second. I mean, those are the poster children
for Seahawks injury prone players. And I'm not gonna dump
Tory Horton in that boat yet. But if Tory, Horton
comes back, plays four games and has another injury that
(09:40):
keeps him out six weeks, two months longer than you
know that that might be three strikes. You're out right there,
and you might get the injury prone label if you
get if you get the three long term injuries over
the course of two years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know, Hugh talks about this a lot and and
and I look, frankly, I discussed this a lot over
time as well. Just you want a wide receiver corps
that is varied. It's almost like a basketball team. You
kind of want to point guard type and a two
guard type and a power forward type. And I think
that the Seahawks have kind of achieved this with this
(10:15):
roster now with JSN being your superstar, being your Jordan,
and then you've got Cup and Horton and Shaheed and Bobo.
I mean, that's a good variety of completely different wide receivers.
I think you would agree with that. So, when the
Rams are doing things to counter what the Seahawks do
(10:36):
well by adding to their secondary so aggressively this offseason,
have they covered all their bases in your opinion, or
have Mike and John stayed a step ahead of them
with the versatility they have at this position right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Now, Yeah, I don't think this is a team that
needs to invest a lot of money on a number
two wide receiver. I mean, they invested quite a bit
on Rashid Shaheed with the with the contract and then
trading the two draft picks, and that's probably you know,
as far as the investment goes, three years, fifty one
million for Rashid Shaheed, I mean that's a that's a
(11:12):
fairly significant investment, but it's it's more than I thought
they would give Rashid Shaheed. But really, you're paying for
two players, right You're paying for a wide receiver that
could potentially be your number two guy in targets, and
you're also paying for a all pro level return man.
So I mean that's got to be factored in as well,
because a lot of these number two receivers, most of
(11:33):
these two number two receivers aren't return men at all,
let alone all pro return men. So I like the
Seahawks wide receiver corps. I would call it solid. I
would call it deep. The only thing they're lacking again
is what we talked about a couple of minutes ago,
is do you have a number two guy, or do
you even need a number two guy? Is it is
(11:54):
it okay to if you're gonna get x amount of targets,
X amount of yards, x amount of touchdowns from somebody
not named Jack and Smith and Jigba, does it really
have to be a number two guy gets this much
a number three guy number four? Or is it okay
to have three or four guys all around the same
amount of targets if they have, like you mentioned, different
(12:17):
skill sets, and I think they do. I mean, every
one of those guys that you mentioned has been productive
and has scored touchdowns in different kind of ways, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
How much do you think we'll see beyond two receivers?
I mean, we've just gotten into the modern day world, Dick,
where I mean four or five receivers at a time.
But we've also started to transition a little bit away
from that in the National Football League a little bit
more toward running the football. We've got teams with fullbacks
on their roster.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We have a full back on our roster now. And
you mentioned Barner and what a step he could take. Well,
I got to believe that they believe Royo is going
to take a step forward as well. So, I mean,
there's no way to know this until we get in
the regular season. But how much do you think we'll
see of double tight end with a full back being
(13:07):
how how frequently will we even have more than two
wide receivers on a football field? If you're the Seahawks,
do you think.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, if Horton's healthy, probably more than we did last year.
I think we probably won't be quite as run reliant,
especially at the beginning of the season without Zach Scharbana,
And when you have zak Sharbona and Ken Walker, then
you know you're that's your end. You're you have no
Tory Horton. I mean, that's that kind of a pound
the Rock scenario. Don't don't get me wrong. We're not
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gonna fun and gun it next year. I don't don't
think Sam Darnold's gonna be thrown for fifty five hundred
yards next season, but I do think that there, I
think there'll be a little bit more balance in their attack,
a little bit more balance in their formations where you
want to get. I mean, obviously JSN is going to
be out there. The effectiveness of Cooper Cup you know,
(13:57):
is he you know is at least as good as
was last year as he take another step back, that's
going to determine your formations a little bit. And and
whether they can find a way to get Horton and
Shaheed out there together and not be a redundant situation.
I think that's going to be a dependent that. That's
one of the things that I'm really going to be
interested in watching this team in training camp is what
(14:18):
do the formations look like and how much are they
going to lean on the on the running game. Got
it to my first chance to watch Price yesterday, and uh,
you know the thing I that that jumped out at
me at first about him is he seems to be
very comfortable in traffic. Uh there were a lot running,
a lot of things up the middle and where he
just kind of he's kind of get there. He kind
(14:39):
of slow down a little bit. He'd see a hole
and he kind of bounce a little bit, and so
you know where you know, you see those running backs
sometimes they kind of disappear into the pile and then
they and they pop out the other side. Now, obviously
the running back is is probably the hardest position to
evaluate in a non contact situation, as there is. But
you know, I was at least first glimpse. If you
(15:01):
would have told me, hey, that guy right there, number eight,
he was a first round draft pick and I just
watched him yesterday for the first time in person, I
could have been like, Okay, yeah, I can I mean
I wasn't like, wow, that guy's unbelievable, but I was like, yeah,
I can see how that guy was a first round
draft pick.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah. Dick fanas with us as we wrap up this
episode of our Seahawks one series. Dick on Tory Horton,
the wide receiver who made his debut with the team
a year ago. Eight games, thirteen catches, five touchdowns, also
returned to punt for a touchdown. Look very comfortable in
that role. So scale from one to ten. I mean,
how big a fan are you of your weapon of
(15:38):
choice here today? How good do you think Tory Horton is,
and how good do you think that he could ultimately
be as a Seahawk.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I think high end. I mean, when you're just
talking about potential, I'm like a seven and a half.
I mean I think he could. I think he could
be a legitimate staying healthy. I don't think he's a
number one in the NFL. I do think Tory Horton
could be a legitimate number two wide receiver in the NFL.
And I mean, if he stays healthy, I think he
(16:06):
could be. I mean we've talked to Hugh for a
long time about him. He is very high on Tory Horton.
It's just the health right And so if Tory Horton
gets out of this injury mode, I don't know why
down the road and mentioned already that. I mean, he's
twenty three years of age and it's going to be
twenty three almost this entire season, So he's got like
(16:28):
four years, four seasons of prime before you even start
to think about he's going to be heading the other way. See,
I don't see why he couldn't be a seventy catch
sixty five catch, nine hundred to one thousand yard receiver
at some point during that four year stretch. It's not
going to be this year, but it could be when
(16:51):
Rashid Shaheed' let's say Tory Horton explodes over the next
couple of years and the Seahawks say, okay, yeah, we
were not going to have a nineteen million dollar cap
in twenty twenty eight for Rashid's the heat. We're going
to cut him and then boom, Cooper Cup's gone at
that time, boom, all of a sudden, Tory Horten's your
number two behind JSN And I think Seahawks fans would
be really happy about that if they saw the progression
(17:13):
over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
All right, man, great stuff, Thank you very much, we
appreciate it. You got anything special plan for your little
radio show today?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh, you know, it's Wednesday. We've got Michael Florio today,
we got Petrocks whole day and yeah, hey, butthole is
exactly right. We got to talk to you know, not
just the NFL news with Floria. We got to talk
about the Brendan Soresby situation too. He's been writing a
lot about that. That's been the topic dajure, So that
means topic of the day for you.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's French out there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, yes, exactly, so we're at Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think I'll have that, So carry on, ladies and gentlemen.
I want to hear more of new Garb. Okay again,
a lot better than old Garb. I was not a
fan of old Garby.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I know, none of us were nobody really was
not even misscarf all right, man, thank you, we appreciate you.
We'll talk to you soon. Hey, guys, all right, Dick
Thane joining us here for our Seahawks one series coming
up next. We had a hunch you wanted to hear
the baseball Brunch today. I mean, there was a lot
of wacky stuff that went on in Baltimore, Maryland last night.
(18:19):
So a recap of last night's wackiness on KJR two
consecutive weeks. Well, if you caught yourself at home singing
this song, you.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Half yeah, except that I only say it as baseball brunch.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Good yeah, yeah, Well that's a little adjustment we made
to it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
All.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, it is time for the baseball Brunch here on
Chuck and Buck in the morning. Ashley Ryan is here.
My name is Chuck. How we decided to add a
second recap of the Mariners games. We're not going to
do it every day, but feels like we need to
do it today.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I was going to say, these last couple weeks, it
feels like there's been a lot of games that need
a second recap.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This one needs recapped because it was crazy. It was
the height of baseball's new rules that they've introduced a
lot of them that we resisted as a group, and
yet they've turned out to be very good for the game.
I mean, we got to give them credit where credit
is due. They've improved the viewing of the game, the
(19:13):
speed of the game, and they've added a few little
elements that I never thought that I would be on
the edge of my seat rooting for, like the challenge system,
which pretty much won us the game two nights ago,
and then last night. I don't know if replay won
us the game last night because the calls on the
field went our way. But to be to sit there
(19:37):
waiting wondering if several crucial bang bang plays we're gonna
go Baltimore's way or our way, And if we're being
honest with ourselves, you could see how they could have
gone Baltimore's way, and we seem to be given the
benefit of the doubt of those plays. Plus tavar is
striking out because he forgot what the count will and
(20:00):
started removing his equipment and didn't have enough time to
beat the pitch clock. I mean, it was quite the
display of new modern day baseball and how it bit
one team right in the.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Butt well, and you even just get anxious watching is
the manager going to challenge when he's just standing there
with his hand up and you're waiting.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
What are they finding out on the phone? What are
they finding out on the phone. I mean, even that
is like they're not challenging. Okay, few, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, it is crazy. And last night's game start a
lot of different people. Randy a Rose Arena with the
big home run in the tenth, Ryan Bliss with his
bang bang defensive plays where he saved our bacon a
couple of different times. Logan Gilbert being pushed beyond five
innings and he didn't internally combust. Yeah, going six innings
(20:55):
last night, and we really needed it considering how thin
our bullpen was. But to me, the baseball brunch stars
Mitch Garver today.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
High fly, deep left field, flying back and gun. It's
a three run bomb from Mitch Garver and Themartors take
the lead. They cash it into the fourth inning.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
All new Garf It's a three run homer. He also
is the greatest challenger ever put on the face of
the earth. He was excellent again last night, and he
had some really difficult plays that he made three huge
tags at home Plate for goodness sake, including one that
(21:43):
was not easy from Wisdom that saved the game, in
which Wisdom made a great play too, throwing around the
runner and getting it to a new Garf and new
Garv made the plays last night. I thought he was
exceptional last night. And as far as backup catchers go, Ashley,
we've got two good ones right now.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, we really do. And it's similar to the pitching situation.
Not a bad problem to have, right we were talking
a couple of weeks ago, or you know what happens
when Cal comes back?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Who goes away?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And it's not as easy as you just pick one,
But luckily Parida has options and that seems to be
the safer way to go, so you can keep all three.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I say, we don't let Cal back. That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, you're right, what's that guy?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, maybe sit down there to Coomb and think about
what you've done.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Ronald, that's right, Yell, you're going to.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Earn your stripes around here, buddy. We just don't hand
things to superstars. So I thought Mitch Garver was exceptional
last night, But obviously we were put through the Ringer.
So was Dan Wilson, so was the bullpen, wondering who
had enough gas to get through an inning out of
our bullpen last night. Alex Hoppy did okay. Gabe Spire
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almost called him Chris, that's his uncle. Gabe Spire was outstanding.
Farrera was not. And we've seen Farair be nothing but
outstanding since putting on a Mare in her uniform. But
maybe tired. Maybe the orioles are just good offensively. But
he had to throw over forty pitches and still could
not get the save last night, And as we went
to the tenth inning, we had to. We had no choice.
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And if not for a phantom I L stint from
Cooper Criswell, we wouldn't even have had Nick Devilla to
be able to pitch for us last night in the
tenth inning. We would have probably been thrown new Garve
out there real excited.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I was like, who is what's gonna happen in the
tenth I can't wait to get there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But Davilla hits the first battery faces and immediately you
start thinking, oh, he's pissing down his leg and what
does he do? I mean, he doesn't pitch great, but
he does end up getting the save, the first of
his career, no doubt, the most important pitches that he's
thrown in his baseball life. And he told us after
(23:54):
the game that he barely got to Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
So my serior in free, my girlfriend. We're at zen
Taipong thanks to the airport Seattle Mall, so about thirty
minutes from North. It's a comma.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I got a call from Jr. For By manager say heybody,
you're gonna head over here and you're gonna need the
team at Baltimore. It's like, okay, so check out Red
Itime and I'm thinking, like kind of reservations at seven thirty.
This is kind of crazy. Seven forty five. Food's kind
of rolling out, kind of don't know when I'm flying
outf I think it's like eleven fifty, you know, maybe
(24:29):
have some time. Get a call from Jack around like
eight and he's like, hey, you're leaving at tense twenty
right now. I was like ten twenty. The mental gymnastics
of thirty minutes south. You gotta grab my stuff in Tacoma.
Then I gotta go to Marano grab my stuff in
the hotel. So I ended up having the second klubbe
the assistant klobe bringing my stuff up, meeting me at
(24:50):
the departure gate at gate thirty of the last airlines,
and I don't have any clothes with me right now.
And I'm like, well, I'm on the taxis. Probably I
don't play. I don't know what's going on. Let's way
I get in there, let's see what's up. I'm not
too sure. I'm like fifty to fifty, not really too sure.
(25:11):
We got here at like six forty five. Uh, get
into my room. It's like eat a fie. I'm like,
all right, let's just put the blinds up and get
like four hours of sleep. I get on the third
bus at two thirty and I'm like, still not active.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm just like all right, all right, And eventually we're.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And then I just gonnat believe I was in the games.
I had goosebumps kind of going out there. I was like,
this is not real.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's crazy. That sounds like every one of my flights,
except I don't have any help.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I can you end up somewhere with no clothes?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's crazy. Well, he got the job done somehow. Even
that was a Houdini act. I know happy at a
houdiniac for Rare. I mean, I know he gives up
the two runs, but that was a hoodiniact, not to
let the not to lose in that bottom of the ninth,
and then Davilla does the same thing in the tenth.
I mean kind of feels like you stole one. We
will take it, not going to apologize for it. There
(26:09):
were several games earlier this year where I thought we
didn't catch we couldn't catch a break, right, So we'll
take it and we will just count on the baseball
gods evening things out for us.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I think that's how I mean, when we were having
all the bad luck, we figured at one point it's
going to turn around for us.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, And we had some bad luck too. They had
some good luck as well. They had a couple of
measly little hits that got their innings started. They had
several of those little boosts to their chances last night
as well. But it was a wild game, one of
the crazier games we've seen in a while. And it's
a six five win and ten innings for the Mariners.
So what did we learn today? On the baseball brunch,
(26:46):
we learned that new Garve is better than old garb.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We learned that defense can win close games.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Check.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We also learned that Logan didn't die, Thank goodness that. Okay,
we can get ten more pitches out of him and
he won't burst into flames.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And at the very least you can put him in
for the six then see what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And we also learned that technology can be our friend.
Why I'm so inspired by it? I think I'm going
to open up one of the new fangled MySpace accounts.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
That is a lie. You wouldn't even if it was new.
It's about time you got on board, all right?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Coming up next, we should talk about the NBA Finals
a little bit. Today. Sports Radio ninety three point three
KJRFM Deep Away Brad Evans is going to join us
set to nine o'clock to talk some World Cup actions,
some US action, all sorts of action, lots of action.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Love talking action, especially with Brad Evans. Yeah that's who
you got to talk all the action with.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He'll take all that action, Yeah you will. So that's
coming away at nine o'clock today. Also some SUP at
nine thirty today as well. But we've spent no time
at all today talking about the NBA Finals Game number four,
is tonight looks like Spencer's going to be joining us tomorrow.
Is he going to be joining us anywhere?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Live?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The least he will be in New York?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Is that right? Yes, that fancy son of the game.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, he was flying there last night.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Unless he flew in San Antonio to just do a
watch party at an empty stadium.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Mitch isn't going to be There's not going to be there,
that's right, So all right, so good Spencer's going to
be able to take in tonight's game. It sounds like
live at Madison Square Garden. Where are they gonna squeeze
that he's kind of a human being because there doesn't
look like there's any space.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Put him in the front row, people can see around him.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, yeah, maybe Mitchell put him right there on the bench.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I was gonna say, sit him on the bench.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Don't don't wear your silly cowboy at this time, though,
I think you should wear it always. So NBA Finals tonight,
game number four, and the Spurs have a chance now
to even this series up at two games apiece, which
I give them a chance to do. I don't know
why anybody wouldn't give them a chance to do it.
Now that they've gotten a little taste of victory again,
(29:04):
and now that they've kind of conquered what was supposed
to be in intimidating you know, environments, well I think
they kind of figured they kind of hushed that. So
for those that weren't giving them a chance to get
back into this game, I just think that's silly. And
now San Antonio has a little bit of momentum. Maybe
the Knicks are just playing too good a basketball right now,
(29:27):
and maybe the Spurs will need this experience, a failed experience,
in order to get up over the hump next year
or the following year, or whenever that case may be.
But the idea that this series was over with this
talented of a Spurs roster, with this freakazoid being the
best player on both ends of the floor, I think
(29:47):
was preposterous.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it was ridiculous, and I think a lot of
people immediately after they lost both games in San Antonio
fully counted them out.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
But it is a seven game series for a reason, So.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, I mean I would expect San Antonio to even
it up today and head to back to San Antonio
with two wins apiece and ready to take back and
then continue there expecting that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I am interesting. Two interesting stories around Wemby. Number
one is everybody saw the I mean it was a
flagrant move against the team's other star in Jalen Brunts,
and he kind of just like grabbed him by the
head and threw him on the floor the other day,
and you know, I think technically he probably should be
(30:32):
suspended for such an action the next game. I think
we've seen guys get suspended for stuff like that before,
but never the featured attraction. So let's put it this way.
If they bent the rules for Wemby, I'm glad they did,
because there have been some situations in the past where
I'm like, it's the NBA Finals, are you kidding me?
(30:53):
There was a Western Conference Finals, if you remember, involving
the Spurs, where the Sons were the favorite team and
Robert or chucked pardon the verb, Steve Nash like into
the third row and it was a horribly horrible foul
to the other team star player, and then naturally, a
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couple of guys from the Suns step out onto the court,
including Amari Stodemier and David Stern ruled it as the
letter of the law. You can't come out of the court.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But you can throw Steve Nash into cant.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And so Ori gets away with throwing Steve Nash into
the stands Scott free and the Sons had to play
with like without four players in Game seven, including their
second best player in the game. So to me, it's like, man,
I flush the damn rules. It's the NBA Finals. I
realized he shouldn't have grabbed him by the head, and
I realized Brunson's a superstar.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Two.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But I want to watch Wimby and Bronson play in
game four. I don't want us to stand on the
actual tactical rule that you can't allow that or will
suspend you for the new Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But at the same time, Wimby does have to be
careful because this is the second time where he could
have been suspended the elbow, being the first time earlier
in the playoffs, and so I don't think if he
does it again, I don't know how they can let
him keep getting away with things.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, it's funny because he gets hounded for you're not
physical enough. You're not physical enough. Everybody's making fun of
him not being physical enough. So you carry that mindset
into the net. Well, I'm going to be physical tonight,
that's sure. And then the next thing you know, you're
grabbing a guy by his braids, you know. And so
I didn't love that he did it, but I love
that they're not suspending yet for it.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, you don't want the best players out of the finals.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yes, exactly, So he will play tonight, was not suspended,
and we'll see how the next deal is because now
the next little playground rules, they're certainly going to approach
Wimby and that kind of that kind of conduct a
little differently tonight. There's no question about there's going to
be a retaliation to some degree, whether strategically or As
(32:56):
Jay Williams put it this morning on the air, I
would start the game by elbow him right in the chest.
I would have somebody elbow him right in the chest
to remind him you're not the only one that's going
to get away with some stuff tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, you got to show him whose boss. I would
just drill him in the ribs with a fastball.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Isn't that long sport?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Back?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Wrong sport? Okay, wrong sport. It's a very bucky of you,
all right, Brad Evans, Next Sports Radio ninety three point
three kh A r f M
And much much more to cover. But man, that music
has come to mean something. It means It's time for
the Seahawks One series. It's something that we do every June.
Once per day, we bring on one of the top
minds in all of Seattle to break down one key
Seahawk player for one entire interview, and today we've tabbed
one from inside the house joining us on the program.
(00:23):
He is the venerable host co host of the Softy
and Dick radio program. Dick Fane now joins us here
on Chuck and Buck in the mornings. Good morning, sir,
Hi Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm doing. I'm good. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What's going on with I'm as? I mean, I'm better
than Old Garve, not as good as New GARV.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, there's a big gap there, right when.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You agree, yes, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, you want to wake up feeling like NEWGARF. You
don't want to feel like too. And I've had both.
I've had both mornings. There's no question about it for sure. Yeah,
Oldgarb had bad breath. New Garb that sounds like Centnimon.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Absolutely, that was a really good comparison you made last seven.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I wanted to honor you in that. Well, thank you,
I appreciate that. All right, Well, Seahawks one series, So
one analyst breaking down one key Shawk player for one
entire interview. We've got our analyst here, It's Dick Fane,
and so what player do you like would you like
to break down for us today?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Ah number fifteen in your program, number one in your hearts,
we saw flashes of greatness and then we saw a
whole lot of nothing that would be a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Tory Horton, Oh, Tory Horton, all right, very good, very good.
What is the role that you foresee for Tory Horton
in twenty twenty six? Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, let's let's hope that all indications that he's coming
back in August and we'll be ready for at least
a good portion, if not all, of training camp. Let's
just assume those are correct, because this is the longest
shin injury I think I can ever remember in the
history of shin injuries. So let's let's just assume that
(02:09):
he is back. And I think the thing that jumps
out about Tory Horton is his ability to just find
the end zone and you know, and taking a look
at his history, I mean this is nothing new. I
mean forty seven out of his three hundred and fifteen
catches in his football life have been touchdowns. I mean
it's gone all the way back to high school. I
was looking at his high school numbers, and I mean
(02:29):
he didn't catch a lot of passes, but the passes
he caught were touchdowns. I mean fifteen of his thirty
seven catches were for touchdowns. He had more touchdown success
in college. And then you know, five catches, five catches
for touchdowns in thirteen receptions last year for the Seahawks,
and he also had a kick return for a touchdown.
So I mean, a guy finds the end zone. So
(02:50):
I think that's something and really that's something that the
Seahawks have lacked for a long time. I mean, when's
the last time the Seahawks really had, you know, a
red zone threat that just had a nose for it.
So I think that's probably the role for him. It's
not going to be quantity necessarily. I don't think we're
going to see seventy catches from Tory Horton unless Cooper
(03:12):
Cup you know, proves that he just can't play anymore.
And Rashid Shaheed gets injured or is ineffective, then maybe
Tory Horton becomes your number two wide receiver behind JSN.
But I think for that could be the role down
the road a little bit. But for this year, I mean,
I think the role is get him in there in
red zone situations. Hopefully get him, you know, fifty ish targets,
(03:37):
thirty catches, thirty five catches, and maybe at least match
his touchdown output from last year. If not, you know,
get up there into seven eight nine touchdown range.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah. What did Buddy Ryan famously say or infamously say
about Chris Carter before he cut him? All he does
is catch touchdowns, and that's right. Maybe we got the
next Chris Carter on our hands here.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That would be really nice. Dick Faine with us our
Seahawks one series, He's chosen Tory Horton to break down.
I go back to the beginning of last year, and man,
we were really worried collectively as a Seahawk fan base
and as I think a radio station, do we have
a deep threat in our receiving game Cup and JSN
seem to be the same type of receiver, and of
(04:21):
course JSN went on to become the best receiver in
the National Football League last year, And yet we go
into this season with Horton having shown that ability and
Rashid Shahed now on the roster. They never shared the
field at the exact same time. So do you think
that we have number one, avoided that question mark heading
(04:43):
into this year? And then number two, how do you
perceive Horton and Shahed sharing a field together?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, and both on offense and on special teams too, right,
I mean, what's going to be the punt return situation?
I would imagine that, you know, depends. I think it
depends a lot on the production level of Shahed. I
think he's going to get the first opportunity. He's the
guy that that you gave the contract to, and you know,
he still got at least one, if not two years
(05:13):
left on that on that contract, I mean, it's a
three year deal. But I mean, I don't think you're
going to be paying Rashid Shahed at age thirty, a
twenty million dollar cap hit in twenty twenty eight, So
it's probably a two year contract for Rashid Shahed. And
and so it just depends I mean, I saw I
watched Shahid yesterday at practice. He actually had a play
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on the sidelines that I really didn't know that he
was capable of making, where it was kind of a
little out route and he got in front of the air,
he got right in front of the cornerback, you know,
chopped his feet, you know, broke down and got by him.
I mean that that to me wasn't something that I'd
seen Rashid Shahed do. And and we've had a lot
of questions from Hugh Millen on really how good a
(05:55):
receiver is Rashid Shahed really right? I mean, and he
was always said, hey, he can take the top off.
He's an elite, elite, elite return man. But he's just
right now kind of a mediocre wide receiver. But I
guess you could still get a little bit of improvement
from Shaheed because it's not like he's been used a
ton in his career, and so his balance with Horton,
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I mean, it's a good problem to have. It's funny
because you have a lot of pass catchers on this
team that we all know, we all recognize the names,
and yet when you really break it down, do the
Seahawks really have a legitimate number two wide receiver on
their roster, and I think the question is still out
there to be had. I mean, we have no idea
(06:39):
because Cupp would have been that guy, but he might
be old. Rashid Shaheed could be that guy, but he's
really talented enough at the wide receiver position to be
a legitimate number two because the number two guys getting
you know, ninety targets. He's getting sixty catches, he's getting
eight hundred yards. I mean, that's what a number two
wide receiver does on a football team. Is it Tory Horton?
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Could it be Tory Horton down the road because he's
so young. I mean, Horton's only twenty three years of age.
He's gonna be twenty three most of this season. So
I think that's gonna be fascinating to watch Chuck during
training camp when Horton comes back. How they use those
two guys they is one simply a replacement for another?
Or do they use them together? And who becomes I
(07:23):
don't know. I mean, honestly, if I had to guess
who's the number two guy in catches this year, I mean,
could it possibly be aj Barner, could it maybe not
even be a wide receiver who gets the most amount
of looks in the most amount of catches, because I
really feel like A. J. Barner is the is the
next guy on that offense to kind of step up
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and become potentially that borderline Pro Bowl level player on
your offense.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't rule that out myself. Dick Vane
with us here on our Seahawks one Series one analyst
breaking down one key Seahawk player for one entire interview,
and today we're breaking down Tory Horton, number fifteen, the
wide receiver who did make an impression last year, no
question about it, but he only played eight games in
doing so five touchdowns. But his season ends with that,
(08:11):
like you said, the longest shin injury of all time.
His college career also ended with an injury, and we
didn't get to see him the lot in his last season.
I mean, we have to be careful of sports talk
show hosts not to take lightly injuries and not to
you know, cast dispersions because we know how physical the
game is. But there are some guys, Dick, I mean CJ.
(08:35):
Procie for Shad Penny. I mean, maybe they did just
have bad luck, or maybe they were injury prone and
couldn't hold up in the rugged gladiator National Football League.
How much of you is a little worried about whether
or not Tory Horton is one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, yeah, I kind of looked bad when I pushed
back at Softy and in the beginning of the season
before this long to shin injury of all time and stop,
He's like, well, you know he's he's injury prone. I
was like, what do you mean he's injury prone? I
mean he tore it like he tore his knee once
in college, and you know that's that's one injury. Is
that really injury prone? And now here I'm here, I'm
talking about the longest shin injury of all time. So maybe,
(09:16):
I mean I'm not I'm still not ready. I don't
love the injury prone label. And you mentioned the I
mean you mentioned the poster child. I mean C J.
Pros is the poster child, and Rashad Penny is probably
a close second. I mean, those are the poster children
for Seahawks injury prone players. And I'm not gonna dump
Tory Horton in that boat yet. But if Tory, Horton
comes back, plays four games and has another injury that
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keeps him out six weeks, two months longer than you
know that that might be three strikes. You're out right there,
and you might get the injury prone label if you
get if you get the three long term injuries over
the course of two years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know, Hugh talks about this a lot and and
and I look, frankly, I discussed this a lot over
time as well. Just you want a wide receiver corps
that is varied. It's almost like a basketball team. You
kind of want to point guard type and a two
guard type and a power forward type. And I think
that the Seahawks have kind of achieved this with this
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roster now with JSN being your superstar, being your Jordan,
and then you've got Cup and Horton and Shaheed and Bobo.
I mean, that's a good variety of completely different wide receivers.
I think you would agree with that. So, when the
Rams are doing things to counter what the Seahawks do
(10:36):
well by adding to their secondary so aggressively this offseason,
have they covered all their bases in your opinion, or
have Mike and John stayed a step ahead of them
with the versatility they have at this position right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Now, Yeah, I don't think this is a team that
needs to invest a lot of money on a number
two wide receiver. I mean, they invested quite a bit
on Rashid Shaheed with the with the contract and then
trading the two draft picks, and that's probably you know,
as far as the investment goes, three years, fifty one
million for Rashid Shaheed, I mean that's a that's a
(11:12):
fairly significant investment, but it's it's more than I thought
they would give Rashid Shaheed. But really, you're paying for
two players, right You're paying for a wide receiver that
could potentially be your number two guy in targets, and
you're also paying for a all pro level return man.
So I mean that's got to be factored in as well,
because a lot of these number two receivers, most of
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these two number two receivers aren't return men at all,
let alone all pro return men. So I like the
Seahawks wide receiver corps. I would call it solid. I
would call it deep. The only thing they're lacking again
is what we talked about a couple of minutes ago,
is do you have a number two guy, or do
you even need a number two guy? Is it is
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it okay to if you're gonna get x amount of targets,
X amount of yards, x amount of touchdowns from somebody
not named Jack and Smith and Jigba, does it really
have to be a number two guy gets this much
a number three guy number four? Or is it okay
to have three or four guys all around the same
amount of targets if they have, like you mentioned, different
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skill sets, and I think they do. I mean, every
one of those guys that you mentioned has been productive
and has scored touchdowns in different kind of ways, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
How much do you think we'll see beyond two receivers?
I mean, we've just gotten into the modern day world, Dick,
where I mean four or five receivers at a time.
But we've also started to transition a little bit away
from that in the National Football League a little bit
more toward running the football. We've got teams with fullbacks
on their roster.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We have a full back on our roster now. And
you mentioned Barner and what a step he could take. Well,
I got to believe that they believe Royo is going
to take a step forward as well. So, I mean,
there's no way to know this until we get in
the regular season. But how much do you think we'll
see of double tight end with a full back being
(13:07):
how how frequently will we even have more than two
wide receivers on a football field? If you're the Seahawks,
do you think.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, if Horton's healthy, probably more than we did last year.
I think we probably won't be quite as run reliant,
especially at the beginning of the season without Zach Scharbana,
And when you have zak Sharbona and Ken Walker, then
you know you're that's your end. You're you have no
Tory Horton. I mean, that's that kind of a pound
the Rock scenario. Don't don't get me wrong. We're not
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gonna fun and gun it next year. I don't don't
think Sam Darnold's gonna be thrown for fifty five hundred
yards next season, but I do think that there, I
think there'll be a little bit more balance in their attack,
a little bit more balance in their formations where you
want to get. I mean, obviously JSN is going to
be out there. The effectiveness of Cooper Cup you know,
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is he you know is at least as good as
was last year as he take another step back, that's
going to determine your formations a little bit. And and
whether they can find a way to get Horton and
Shaheed out there together and not be a redundant situation.
I think that's going to be a dependent that. That's
one of the things that I'm really going to be
interested in watching this team in training camp is what
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do the formations look like and how much are they
going to lean on the on the running game. Got
it to my first chance to watch Price yesterday, and uh,
you know the thing I that that jumped out at
me at first about him is he seems to be
very comfortable in traffic. Uh there were a lot running,
a lot of things up the middle and where he
just kind of he's kind of get there. He kind
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of slow down a little bit. He'd see a hole
and he kind of bounce a little bit, and so
you know where you know, you see those running backs
sometimes they kind of disappear into the pile and then
they and they pop out the other side. Now, obviously
the running back is is probably the hardest position to
evaluate in a non contact situation, as there is. But
you know, I was at least first glimpse. If you
(15:01):
would have told me, hey, that guy right there, number eight,
he was a first round draft pick and I just
watched him yesterday for the first time in person, I
could have been like, Okay, yeah, I can I mean
I wasn't like, wow, that guy's unbelievable, but I was like, yeah,
I can see how that guy was a first round
draft pick.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah. Dick fanas with us as we wrap up this
episode of our Seahawks one series. Dick on Tory Horton,
the wide receiver who made his debut with the team
a year ago. Eight games, thirteen catches, five touchdowns, also
returned to punt for a touchdown. Look very comfortable in
that role. So scale from one to ten. I mean,
how big a fan are you of your weapon of
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choice here today? How good do you think Tory Horton is,
and how good do you think that he could ultimately
be as a Seahawk.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I think high end. I mean, when you're just
talking about potential, I'm like a seven and a half.
I mean I think he could. I think he could
be a legitimate staying healthy. I don't think he's a
number one in the NFL. I do think Tory Horton
could be a legitimate number two wide receiver in the NFL.
And I mean, if he stays healthy, I think he
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could be. I mean we've talked to Hugh for a
long time about him. He is very high on Tory Horton.
It's just the health right And so if Tory Horton
gets out of this injury mode, I don't know why
down the road and mentioned already that. I mean, he's
twenty three years of age and it's going to be
twenty three almost this entire season, So he's got like
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four years, four seasons of prime before you even start
to think about he's going to be heading the other way. See,
I don't see why he couldn't be a seventy catch
sixty five catch, nine hundred to one thousand yard receiver
at some point during that four year stretch. It's not
going to be this year, but it could be when
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Rashid Shaheed' let's say Tory Horton explodes over the next
couple of years and the Seahawks say, okay, yeah, we
were not going to have a nineteen million dollar cap
in twenty twenty eight for Rashid's the heat. We're going
to cut him and then boom, Cooper Cup's gone at
that time, boom, all of a sudden, Tory Horten's your
number two behind JSN And I think Seahawks fans would
be really happy about that if they saw the progression
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over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
All right, man, great stuff, Thank you very much, we
appreciate it. You got anything special plan for your little
radio show today?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh, you know, it's Wednesday. We've got Michael Florio today,
we got Petrocks whole day and yeah, hey, butthole is
exactly right. We got to talk to you know, not
just the NFL news with Floria. We got to talk
about the Brendan Soresby situation too. He's been writing a
lot about that. That's been the topic dajure, So that
means topic of the day for you.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's French out there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, yes, exactly, so we're at Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I think I'll have that, So carry on, ladies and gentlemen.
I want to hear more of new Garb. Okay again,
a lot better than old Garb. I was not a
fan of old Garby.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I know, none of us were nobody really was
not even misscarf all right, man, thank you, we appreciate you.
We'll talk to you soon. Hey, guys, all right, Dick
Thane joining us here for our Seahawks one series coming
up next. We had a hunch you wanted to hear
the baseball Brunch today. I mean, there was a lot
of wacky stuff that went on in Baltimore, Maryland last night.
(18:19):
So a recap of last night's wackiness on KJR two
consecutive weeks. Well, if you caught yourself at home singing
this song, you.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Half yeah, except that I only say it as baseball brunch.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Good yeah, yeah, Well that's a little adjustment we made
to it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
All.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, it is time for the baseball Brunch here on
Chuck and Buck in the morning. Ashley Ryan is here.
My name is Chuck. How we decided to add a
second recap of the Mariners games. We're not going to
do it every day, but feels like we need to
do it today.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I was going to say, these last couple weeks, it
feels like there's been a lot of games that need
a second recap.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This one needs recapped because it was crazy. It was
the height of baseball's new rules that they've introduced a
lot of them that we resisted as a group, and
yet they've turned out to be very good for the game.
I mean, we got to give them credit where credit
is due. They've improved the viewing of the game, the
(19:13):
speed of the game, and they've added a few little
elements that I never thought that I would be on
the edge of my seat rooting for, like the challenge system,
which pretty much won us the game two nights ago,
and then last night. I don't know if replay won
us the game last night because the calls on the
field went our way. But to be to sit there
(19:37):
waiting wondering if several crucial bang bang plays we're gonna
go Baltimore's way or our way, And if we're being
honest with ourselves, you could see how they could have
gone Baltimore's way, and we seem to be given the
benefit of the doubt of those plays. Plus tavar is
striking out because he forgot what the count will and
(20:00):
started removing his equipment and didn't have enough time to
beat the pitch clock. I mean, it was quite the
display of new modern day baseball and how it bit
one team right in the.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Butt well, and you even just get anxious watching is
the manager going to challenge when he's just standing there
with his hand up and you're waiting.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
What are they finding out on the phone? What are
they finding out on the phone. I mean, even that
is like they're not challenging. Okay, few, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, it is crazy. And last night's game start a
lot of different people. Randy a Rose Arena with the
big home run in the tenth, Ryan Bliss with his
bang bang defensive plays where he saved our bacon a
couple of different times. Logan Gilbert being pushed beyond five
innings and he didn't internally combust. Yeah, going six innings
(20:55):
last night, and we really needed it considering how thin
our bullpen was. But to me, the baseball brunch stars
Mitch Garver today.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
High fly, deep left field, flying back and gun. It's
a three run bomb from Mitch Garver and Themartors take
the lead. They cash it into the fourth inning.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
All new Garf It's a three run homer. He also
is the greatest challenger ever put on the face of
the earth. He was excellent again last night, and he
had some really difficult plays that he made three huge
tags at home Plate for goodness sake, including one that
(21:43):
was not easy from Wisdom that saved the game, in
which Wisdom made a great play too, throwing around the
runner and getting it to a new Garf and new
Garv made the plays last night. I thought he was
exceptional last night. And as far as backup catchers go, Ashley,
we've got two good ones right now.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, we really do. And it's similar to the pitching situation.
Not a bad problem to have, right we were talking
a couple of weeks ago, or you know what happens
when Cal comes back?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Who goes away?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And it's not as easy as you just pick one,
But luckily Parida has options and that seems to be
the safer way to go, so you can keep all three.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I say, we don't let Cal back. That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, you're right, what's that guy?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, maybe sit down there to Coomb and think about
what you've done.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Ronald, that's right, Yell, you're going to.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Earn your stripes around here, buddy. We just don't hand
things to superstars. So I thought Mitch Garver was exceptional
last night, But obviously we were put through the Ringer.
So was Dan Wilson, so was the bullpen, wondering who
had enough gas to get through an inning out of
our bullpen last night. Alex Hoppy did okay. Gabe Spire
(22:52):
almost called him Chris, that's his uncle. Gabe Spire was outstanding.
Farrera was not. And we've seen Farair be nothing but
outstanding since putting on a Mare in her uniform. But
maybe tired. Maybe the orioles are just good offensively. But
he had to throw over forty pitches and still could
not get the save last night, And as we went
to the tenth inning, we had to. We had no choice.
(23:16):
And if not for a phantom I L stint from
Cooper Criswell, we wouldn't even have had Nick Devilla to
be able to pitch for us last night in the
tenth inning. We would have probably been thrown new Garve
out there real excited.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I was like, who is what's gonna happen in the
tenth I can't wait to get there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But Davilla hits the first battery faces and immediately you
start thinking, oh, he's pissing down his leg and what
does he do? I mean, he doesn't pitch great, but
he does end up getting the save, the first of
his career, no doubt, the most important pitches that he's
thrown in his baseball life. And he told us after
(23:54):
the game that he barely got to Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
So my serior in free, my girlfriend. We're at zen
Taipong thanks to the airport Seattle Mall, so about thirty
minutes from North. It's a comma.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I got a call from Jr. For By manager say heybody,
you're gonna head over here and you're gonna need the
team at Baltimore. It's like, okay, so check out Red
Itime and I'm thinking, like kind of reservations at seven thirty.
This is kind of crazy. Seven forty five. Food's kind
of rolling out, kind of don't know when I'm flying
outf I think it's like eleven fifty, you know, maybe
(24:29):
have some time. Get a call from Jack around like
eight and he's like, hey, you're leaving at tense twenty
right now. I was like ten twenty. The mental gymnastics
of thirty minutes south. You gotta grab my stuff in Tacoma.
Then I gotta go to Marano grab my stuff in
the hotel. So I ended up having the second klubbe
the assistant klobe bringing my stuff up, meeting me at
(24:50):
the departure gate at gate thirty of the last airlines,
and I don't have any clothes with me right now.
And I'm like, well, I'm on the taxis. Probably I
don't play. I don't know what's going on. Let's way
I get in there, let's see what's up. I'm not
too sure. I'm like fifty to fifty, not really too sure.
(25:11):
We got here at like six forty five. Uh, get
into my room. It's like eat a fie. I'm like,
all right, let's just put the blinds up and get
like four hours of sleep. I get on the third
bus at two thirty and I'm like, still not active.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm just like all right, all right, And eventually we're.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
In the game.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And then I just gonnat believe I was in the games.
I had goosebumps kind of going out there. I was like,
this is not real.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's crazy. That sounds like every one of my flights,
except I don't have any help.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I can you end up somewhere with no clothes?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's crazy. Well, he got the job done somehow. Even
that was a Houdini act. I know happy at a
houdiniac for Rare. I mean, I know he gives up
the two runs, but that was a hoodiniact, not to
let the not to lose in that bottom of the ninth,
and then Davilla does the same thing in the tenth.
I mean kind of feels like you stole one. We
will take it, not going to apologize for it. There
(26:09):
were several games earlier this year where I thought we
didn't catch we couldn't catch a break, right, So we'll
take it and we will just count on the baseball
gods evening things out for us.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I think that's how I mean, when we were having
all the bad luck, we figured at one point it's
going to turn around for us.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, And we had some bad luck too. They had
some good luck as well. They had a couple of
measly little hits that got their innings started. They had
several of those little boosts to their chances last night
as well. But it was a wild game, one of
the crazier games we've seen in a while. And it's
a six five win and ten innings for the Mariners.
So what did we learn today? On the baseball brunch,
(26:46):
we learned that new Garve is better than old garb.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We learned that defense can win close games.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Check.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We also learned that Logan didn't die, Thank goodness that. Okay,
we can get ten more pitches out of him and
he won't burst into flames.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And at the very least you can put him in
for the six then see what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And we also learned that technology can be our friend.
Why I'm so inspired by it? I think I'm going
to open up one of the new fangled MySpace accounts.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
That is a lie. You wouldn't even if it was new.
It's about time you got on board, all right?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Coming up next, we should talk about the NBA Finals
a little bit. Today. Sports Radio ninety three point three
KJRFM Deep Away Brad Evans is going to join us
set to nine o'clock to talk some World Cup actions,
some US action, all sorts of action, lots of action.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Love talking action, especially with Brad Evans. Yeah that's who
you got to talk all the action with.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He'll take all that action, Yeah you will. So that's
coming away at nine o'clock today. Also some SUP at
nine thirty today as well. But we've spent no time
at all today talking about the NBA Finals Game number four,
is tonight looks like Spencer's going to be joining us tomorrow.
Is he going to be joining us anywhere?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Live?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The least he will be in New York?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Is that right? Yes, that fancy son of the game.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, he was flying there last night.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Unless he flew in San Antonio to just do a
watch party at an empty stadium.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Mitch isn't going to be There's not going to be there,
that's right, So all right, so good Spencer's going to
be able to take in tonight's game. It sounds like
live at Madison Square Garden. Where are they gonna squeeze
that he's kind of a human being because there doesn't
look like there's any space.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Put him in the front row, people can see around him.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, yeah, maybe Mitchell put him right there on the bench.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I was gonna say, sit him on the bench.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Don't don't wear your silly cowboy at this time, though,
I think you should wear it always. So NBA Finals tonight,
game number four, and the Spurs have a chance now
to even this series up at two games apiece, which
I give them a chance to do. I don't know
why anybody wouldn't give them a chance to do it.
Now that they've gotten a little taste of victory again,
(29:04):
and now that they've kind of conquered what was supposed
to be in intimidating you know, environments, well I think
they kind of figured they kind of hushed that. So
for those that weren't giving them a chance to get
back into this game, I just think that's silly. And
now San Antonio has a little bit of momentum. Maybe
the Knicks are just playing too good a basketball right now,
(29:27):
and maybe the Spurs will need this experience, a failed experience,
in order to get up over the hump next year
or the following year, or whenever that case may be.
But the idea that this series was over with this
talented of a Spurs roster, with this freakazoid being the
best player on both ends of the floor, I think
(29:47):
was preposterous.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it was ridiculous, and I think a lot of
people immediately after they lost both games in San Antonio
fully counted them out.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
But it is a seven game series for a reason, So.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, I mean I would expect San Antonio to even
it up today and head to back to San Antonio
with two wins apiece and ready to take back and
then continue there expecting that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I am interesting. Two interesting stories around Wemby. Number
one is everybody saw the I mean it was a
flagrant move against the team's other star in Jalen Brunts,
and he kind of just like grabbed him by the
head and threw him on the floor the other day,
and you know, I think technically he probably should be
(30:32):
suspended for such an action the next game. I think
we've seen guys get suspended for stuff like that before,
but never the featured attraction. So let's put it this way.
If they bent the rules for Wemby, I'm glad they did,
because there have been some situations in the past where
I'm like, it's the NBA Finals, are you kidding me?
(30:53):
There was a Western Conference Finals, if you remember, involving
the Spurs, where the Sons were the favorite team and
Robert or chucked pardon the verb, Steve Nash like into
the third row and it was a horribly horrible foul
to the other team star player, and then naturally, a
(31:14):
couple of guys from the Suns step out onto the court,
including Amari Stodemier and David Stern ruled it as the
letter of the law. You can't come out of the court.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But you can throw Steve Nash into cant.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And so Ori gets away with throwing Steve Nash into
the stands Scott free and the Sons had to play
with like without four players in Game seven, including their
second best player in the game. So to me, it's like, man,
I flush the damn rules. It's the NBA Finals. I
realized he shouldn't have grabbed him by the head, and
I realized Brunson's a superstar.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Two.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But I want to watch Wimby and Bronson play in
game four. I don't want us to stand on the
actual tactical rule that you can't allow that or will
suspend you for the new Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But at the same time, Wimby does have to be
careful because this is the second time where he could
have been suspended the elbow, being the first time earlier
in the playoffs, and so I don't think if he
does it again, I don't know how they can let
him keep getting away with things.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, it's funny because he gets hounded for you're not
physical enough. You're not physical enough. Everybody's making fun of
him not being physical enough. So you carry that mindset
into the net. Well, I'm going to be physical tonight,
that's sure. And then the next thing you know, you're
grabbing a guy by his braids, you know. And so
I didn't love that he did it, but I love
that they're not suspending yet for it.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, you don't want the best players out of the finals.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yes, exactly, So he will play tonight, was not suspended,
and we'll see how the next deal is because now
the next little playground rules, they're certainly going to approach
Wimby and that kind of that kind of conduct a
little differently tonight. There's no question about there's going to
be a retaliation to some degree, whether strategically or As
(32:56):
Jay Williams put it this morning on the air, I
would start the game by elbow him right in the chest.
I would have somebody elbow him right in the chest
to remind him you're not the only one that's going
to get away with some stuff tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, you got to show him whose boss. I would
just drill him in the ribs with a fastball.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Isn't that long sport?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Back?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Wrong sport? Okay, wrong sport. It's a very bucky of you,
all right, Brad Evans, Next Sports Radio ninety three point
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