Seahawks One Series with JACSON BEVENS (Cigar Thoughts) Today it’s all about Grey Zabel. What we saw from Zabel last season was very impressive, what is the ceiling for the 2nd year lineman? This is the first offseason in a long time that we aren’t spending the offseason complaining about out O-Line, but what’s the health of this group and do they still need help? He’s got it… so what does “it” mean? We wrap up with some cigar thoughts… :30- Baseball Brunch starring Luis Castillo and Dan Wilson. There was one bright spot in yesterday’s loss- Luis Castillo seems to be back. Then there were some negatives- sloppy play and a questionable bullpen… :45- The get-in price for tonight’s NBA Finals game 3 in New York is ridiculous!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
KJRFM, and it is time for our Seahawks one series
to continue something we do every June, and that is
an entire month. Every day we will have one different
Seahawks analysts breakdown one key Seahawk player for one entire interview.
We have entered week number two of our series, day
number six of our series and joining us now on
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the program, No one looks makes smoking a cigar look
better than this guy. He's with Cigar thoughts in fl
He's a blogger, he's been podcasting for years. Yeah, we
love dipping our toes into our waters of our podcasting
friends as well. Sometimes you hear him right here at
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, and when you
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hear him, you hear great Seahawks analysis. And he joins
us today for our Seahawks one series. Jackson Bevans is
with us here on Chuck and Buck. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Chuck? What's happening man? Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey you Ben? How are things great? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know it's a U.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You catch me complaining, you can shoot me like life's
pretty good man, And even better when the team's heer
for a team that you cover won the Super Bowl.
It's like, you know what, I'm no matter what happens
this offseason, this is a stress free off season. I
refuse to get worked up this off season over anything
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that happens because they just finally took care of business
and exercised some real demons last year.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And the only thing that you can kind of get
worked up about is like you're a year ahead of
schedule and you have to fight yourself, do you not?
Maybe maybe it's just me, but don't you have to
fight yourself Jackson to like how good could they really be?
I mean, how how much improvement could they show? Because
I'm kind of expecting improvement because that's what I figured
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was going to happen over the course of the next
three years.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, it's a great point, and it's actually something I
talked about on Cigar Thoughts a little bit. Is we
didn't hear before where the Seahawks wan quicker than then
we thought. And I remember immediately jumping into dynasty mode,
how many are they going to win? You know, Russell
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Wilson is coming for all of these rings, and and
you know I started to kind of use the first
championship as a springboard into projecting a bunch of stuff
and not I don't think really appreciating just how difficult
it is to go back to back, how difficult it is, uh,
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you know, to build what is considered a dynasty. I mean,
it's only happened nine times, and you know, the first
fifty nine Super Bowl eligible years for it, and and
so this year I'm not doing that. I am going
to just enjoy every single bit of this. I'm gonna
enjoy every single bit of the pursuit for the second championship.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I love being the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Team that is forcing the Rams to mortgage the future,
to just load up and take him down.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, every single piece of this.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm gonna try and be as present as possible for
as opposed to you know, starting to say, oh well
let's see there's one. Let's see how many more of
these you can rip off, because you know, as we saw,
it doesn't take much for the cracks to show and
for you know, feeling like you almost have to start
all over again. So that being said, I do also
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expect them to improve, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, well, I think you got the right perspective. You're
keeping it in check. Jackson Bevans of Cigar Thoughts in
fl joining us here does a tremendous Seahawks podcast, blog
and blogging for years about this team, and of course
we lean on him when we can as well. All Right,
so let's get into the Seahawks one series. What player
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are you wanting to break down for an entire interview
here today?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You know, I appreciate y'all giving me the chance to choose,
and and you know, Chuck, we've worked together a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, we we've done.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Some crossover work with Whitewater Drafting series. We've you know,
you've been on Cigar Thoughts, I've been on your show,
and and I think one thing that you know about
me is I really do like to lean into the
numbers and the analytics, not not to make a point
or necessarily to form an opinion, but to see how
supportive that you know of an opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I should be thrown all that out the.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Window, because when it comes to offensive line play.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It really is do you have it or you or
do you not?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And we're talking about grades Abel today because that guy
just has it. And I'm always so hesitant to put
too much emphasis into what I see in the season
from rookies. For all of the usual caveats, but that
opening series against the Chiefs in the preseason last year,
he put like three dudes on their back and you
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watch his college tape and it is so dominant, so dominant,
They're like, Okay, this guy projected first round NFL playing
against FCS guys surrounded by great lineman and you know,
skill position players relative to the guys that they're playing.
Of course he's going to look dominant. I needed him
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to look like he belonged, and he looked dominant on
that drive, and so you start to get a little
bit excited. Fast forward five months and he's flattening the
one guy on the Patriots I'm scared could win the
game for them in the Super Bowl on the first play,
and then tells him I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
To die today.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like when you talk about whether you have it or not,
I'm not sure how many rookies I've ever seen on
this team immediately have it the way Grey's Able does.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And yet we had two of them last year. And again,
kind of in reference to the topic we just discussed,
I mean, you don't want to put too much expectation
on a couple of guys that took the League by
Storm and were huge factors in winning a super Bowl
their very first season in the league. And yet it
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is hard not to wonder how much better Emon Worri
can get and how much better Gray Zabel has a
chance to become. What are your thoughts, since we are
talking one series about Gray Zabel, what's the ceiling on
this guy?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, here's the thing is, I don't even think he
was like anywhere close to what we can see from
him last year with how well Seattle ran the ball
down the stretch last few games of the regular season, honestly,
really outside of funny enough, the two Rams games after
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that first Rams lost with all the turnovers, they really
stopped trying to build the entire plane out of Jackson,
Smith and Jigba and took the ball out of Darnold's
hands a little bit, but and ran the ball really well,
especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, it was a dominant run performance, but it's
easy to forget this team couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Run at all until like Thanksgiving like at all, and
it was really really difficult for the Kubiak offense to
do what they wanted to do, and a lot of
that happened at center and right guard. But you also
were seeing Zabel have a number of plays where he
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was blocking almost defensively, and he was good in past protection,
but not great. The thing that's so encouraging to me
is those are the types of things like we saw
enough from his footwork and his handwork to say that
he has the baseline where I no longer have to
worry about him being a liability. I no longer have
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to worry about him being someone the other team targets,
which is like the baseline for NFL offensive line play.
You see enough flashes of dominance that you can look
at this and say, all right, this is not a
guy who needs to gamble. This is a guy who
only had five penalties as a rookie, only three, you know,
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three holding penalties, And it's like, Okay, these plays that
he's getting beat, it's not because he's having to cheat
because he's not fast enough or not strong enough. Sometimes
you just get beat at the NFL level. But the
way that he has also won the majority of his
reps against established, extremely good NFL interior defenders makes me say, like,
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there is a leap that can be made here. I'm
sure he would tell you the same thing, and for
the first time in over a decade, you had an
offensive line in Seattle playing with confidence. And we have
confidence in the guys next to you and don't need
to worry about covering for their mistakes, which is what
you saw over the final month of the postseason. That's
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where you can really start to take offense and offensive line.
And I think Zabel is as talented as any of them.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Jackson Bevans is with us. Of course, you can follow
him at Jackson Bevans. That's jacso in he spells it
a little different than Smith and Jigba, and then also
at Cigar Thoughts NFL as so we do our Seahawks.
So one series, it's one analyst breaking down one key
Seahawk player for one entire interview. And Jackson has zoned
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in on our left guard, Gray Zabel getting ready for
his second season in the National Football League and already
has himself a championship ring as a primary member of
the team. And so let's talk about the group at
large while you know, keeping Zabel at the heart of
this next question. I've been here now going on eleven years.
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I have never been in Seattle without Seahawk fans. Complaining
about the offensive line until now. This is like the
first offseason that we have I've not heard Seahawk fans
say we need help on the offensive line. So where
are you with the health of this overall group, the
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strength of this overall group, and how Gray Zabel fits into.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I mean, Nick, no mistake, the Seahawks need help
on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They still need it.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean, so do like twenty seven or twenty eight
teams every single year. I think it is so easy
to underestimate just how difficult it is to find five
reliable offensive linemen and put them on one team in
the NFL. And it's why we're seeing guards who aren't
being recent by their own team fetched north of twenty
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million a year in free agency.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is just really difficult. But for the.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
First time, probably since you've been in this market, they
have three out of five that you can count on.
I don't have like a ton of confidence in the
center right guard position yet, you know, maybe you know,
both Stevens helps with that. Maybe we see a step
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forward from either Sondel or Bradford. But like, make no mistake,
those guys are who other defenses are targeting and so there,
I still think there are a couple of weaker links
in that chain.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Can't say they can't get coached up and get better.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Can't say there isn't going to be development from someone else,
maybe Christian Haynes, that you know, improves that. I don't
think this is a great offensive line. I think that
they have three potentially great offensive linemen, and there's not
a lot of teams who can say that. I think
when they're at their best, Cross and Lucas give you
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a top five to top seven tackle tandem in the NFL.
And I think grays Abel is already showing himself to
be an above average NFL guard. That is a huge,
huge improvement in terms of the baseline of your offensive line.
But this is by no means a complete line.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah yeah, but not a weakness either. Maybe not like
it hasn't been in the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Path for the first time.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
They are not a week yeah yeah. And so when
you think about the prospects of an already very good
RAMS team, maybe even great RAMS team, and you know
what happened last week, and adding Miles Garrett and even
let's go ahead and just make this scenario as scary
as possible Aaron Donald comes back too. Okay, how do
you feel about Zabel and company holding up against this group?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I mean, I guess as well as you can about
any other line holding up against that group. The Rams
are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
but they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
to Seattle the way that they're loading up and and
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so you know, I think that if the Rams win
the NFC Championship game last year, they do not make
that trade. So I mean, look, they're going to have
some hilarious games the Rams this year where it's just
it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in the trenches.
It's just and that's going to happen against Seattle too.
It's it would be silly to think otherwise that if
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Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden Fisk is healthy, if Aaron
Donald is out there and we all know how still
been training, Yeah, they're gonna have some absolutely comical dominant performances.
I wish I could say, oh, well, you know, Brian
Flurry has this drawn up scheme or handle it. Look,
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there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There is, yeah,
And you know, he's the most dominant player I've seen
on that side of the football since Aaron Donald. And
if we're gonna throw even eighty percent of what Aaron
Donald was back onto that roster there, nobody's nobody's got
the guys for that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're gonna have to out scheme it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And you're gonna have to find a way on defense
to put the clamps on the Rams in ways that
they really couldn't do even in those two games that
they won last year.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Jackson Beabins, I'm breaking down Gary's Abel, Gray's Abel for
us here in our Seahawks one series, one analyst that
you know and like, breaking down one key Seahawk player
that you know and like for one entire interview here
on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings and so well,
just to bring this full circle, your opening comments, I mean,
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you say he's got it. I mean you're taking away
all the numbers, all the data and just saying he's
got it. I mean usually when people say that is
because they don't really know how else to describe it.
But you're a master of words. We do this for
a living here, So what on what is it that
you think? Is it about Gray's Abel? And does that
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include the fact that we have a left guard who
drinks cheap beer and that fits into the he's got
it category?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's he's a left guard straight
out of Central casting in terms. Yeah, if you're making
a football movie and you're going to be given some lines.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
To your guard for some reason, you are casting Grey's Abel.
You know, he he looks the part, he acts the part.
It feels genuine.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But when I say you got it, I don't think
it's possible to overstate just how insane an NFL, a
really good NFL player is, And when you're talking about
interior defensive line, and when you're talking about arguably the
strongest guys on the field, full of the strongest guys,
And when I say you've got it, I don't mean
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here's this play here or there, here's a funny line
in the media. What I mean is the ability to
go heads up with those dudes sixty times in a
row and win more than you lose. He played ninety
nine percent of the snaps as a rookie. That is insane.
He started forty six games in college, didn't miss a
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single one, played eleven games as a freshman the year
before that, didn't miss any games due to injury, hardly
missed any snaps at any point in his football career.
But again it comes back to the biggest moment of
his life, the first snap of the Super Bowl, going
up against an all Pro, putting that dude on his
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back and then telling him I am ready to die today.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He was not looking around like, oh my gosh, I
did that. Wow? What that was cool?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He was like, no, I want you to know this
is going to be the worst day of your life today.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I really do mean it. I mean when I see
Jackson Bevans on a show and he's doing that, uh
that cigar, and it's always some big, giant, you know,
spectacular looking thing, I'm like, man, why didn't I take
up that hobby? It looks so cool when he does
that with that cigar. So what's the key? What's the
key to a good cigar? Jackson? And looking cool while
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smoking it?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Well, I don't know about looking thing, all right, thank you.
The biggest thing is you just you just can't let
the smoke bug.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, and okay, you just got to immerse yourself in anything.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, but it's also just kind of like a breathing
technique that that you learned.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But in terms of what you know sets.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Apart a good cigar, you know a lot of people
want to focus on this is how it smells. These
are the no so the taste all that stuff is
important to me too, But really it's constructions. How well
does it burn? You know, are the flames going to
run down one side? Is it going to tunnel down
the middle? Does it get hot when you still have
half your cigar left and now you're fighting it? And
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so you know, there's just certain brands and certain construction
methods that that I look for.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But yeah, analytics bring that down.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
With your bragging about his cigar smoking.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
How many do you smoke? Though? By the way, I mean,
is that like a daily like I got home from
work and I need to put my feet up and
grab a cigar or is that just for like special events?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, I'd say somewhere in between. Okay, No, it's it's
it's something where you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A really enjoyable process for me.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I don't want it to become abbot, but it is
something I enjoy, you know, trying to be pretty disciplined
in the other areas of my life. And that's that's
one thing that you know, I'm willing to lean into
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Got it, Got it understood? All right? Man, Well, thank
you very much. Great to catch up, good to hear you,
great stuff on gray'sable and what do you say, let's go,
let's go have a football season? What do you say?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh man, I'm I'm so ready, I'm so ready. Check.
I appreciate you having me man.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Jackson Evans joining us again. It's his Cigar Thoughts podcast.
He's been doing it for years, does a great job
with it. Check it out at Cigar Thoughts NFL, and
of course you can just follow him personally as well
at Jackson Bevans. All right, so there you go, Seahawks
one series. We'll do it again tomorrow, but a great
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breakdown there of Gray's abel from Jackson Bevans. Coming up next,
we'll recap yesterday's Mariner disaster. It's the Baseball brunch not
suitable for children. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM
here on Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM we decided we needed a second
to time during the show to recap certain baseball games
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that our local team has played, and since a lot
of you aren't up at six thirty, we chose eight
thirty for this formatted breakdown of the Mariners' most recent game.
It is the Baseball Brunch, and today it is starring
Luis Castillo.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Enough Matt sat down and brings the McKinstry. We've seen
some really good stuff early on from Louis Castillo. Through
two innings already six and swings and misses. That is
another strikeout on another pitch up from Luis Castillo. He
has been living upstairs and it's been working out.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
It looks fixed, it looks good.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Let me look good. Yeah that.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I left that game yesterday thinking, well, at least I'm
not mad at Castillo too. At least I'm not irritated
with that situation because that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Was good all right. Since the piggyback, that's four outings
and I thought he's he's looked good in all of them.
He's dropped his ERA from six point four to one
to five point one six in that time, so lowered
it one point three runs per game in the span
of just four outings, and I do say outings because
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one start, three no two starts, two relief appearances mixed
in the piggyback. So I don't know if this was
an expected result, an intended result, or or not. But
they are getting great results from Bryce Miller, who looks
like our best picture right now, and Luis Castillo who
looks back to being Luis Castillo again. So maybe an
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unintended consequence, an unintended benefit from we have too many pictures,
what are we gonna do, Let's create, get creative, let's
think outside the box. And it's almost as if it's
sharpened Castillo, like nothing has to this point this year.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, it's been incredible to watch.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
And you know, I know a lot of people still
very irritated about the piggyback, but it is I'm sure,
right just saying that they've got to be mad, but
you cannot look because I think we were all kind
of holding our breath for this start, right Like, Okay,
now that he's got the you know, this is his
start his game. We don't know how long he's going
to go. It's not a piggyback situation. How is it
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going to go?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And he impressed. He did more than his job.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He was great, And I left that game thinking, all right,
good work, you earned that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Now enough nice stuff. Yeah, that's enough of that.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That's right now.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Maybe maybe Mariners be creative like you were with that
with other things.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm just saying, well, there's not a lot of great
things to say. I did want to acknowledge Luis Castillo today,
but this team blew a game they should have never blown.
They led throughout the contest, they were up with cushion
late in the game at four to one when Castillo left,
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And there's no excuse for losing this game. There are reasons,
but there's no excuse. You should have salted this one away,
and you gave it away quite frankly and in a
lot of ways. But certainly the bullpen lets the team down,
most notably Andres Munos, who blows his fifth save of
the season. And we're only on June eighth, yesterday, pitching
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for the first time in over five days, Munjos just
was not sharp yesterday and he coughs up a four
to three lead. The Tigers walk it off on a
two run RBI single from rookie Kevin McGonagall. Who's very
good to win it five to four and take two
out of three in the series. It's the Baseball Brunch,
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also featuring Dan Wilson, who talked about Andres Munos after
the game.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Yeah, it just looked like, you know, the command wasn't there,
and and you know, couldn't seem to find it, you know,
with the with a couple of hitters, and you know,
as we know Walkston be can can hurt and those
you know, those two.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Came around to hear it.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But you know, it looked like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Just have a hard time find in the command.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
It seems like that'spending an issue on an awful season
for him the earlier as the slider. Now it seems
to be a little bit of trouble with the fastball
he got. I feel for why he's not able to
command as well so far.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean, you know that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Don to time.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
You know, I think it's been a little bit since
he's been out there, but you know, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That can do it.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
But but you know, I hope he continues to.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
To keep working at it.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
And uh, you know, he's been our go to guy
for a long time and and uh, you know, he
knows how to how to pitch in those situations and
and uh, that's just a tough one to lose it though.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah, and he almost went exclusively fastball.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Was that in an effort to get that bitch?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Or you know, I think, uh, just trying to you know,
find that release point. And I think things kind of
go off that the fastball I've got. You know, we
got the quick out really really quickly there the first
out of the inning, and uh and then it just
seemed like he could find it after that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And uh, but.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
You know he bought hard to get that second out,
and uh, you know, just uh, it's just I guess
that's just a tough way to do that.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Why was what was the thinking on going to Cooper
in the seventh maybe to go the bizarreo there and
then rush and potencially brash or why? I guess why
was Cooper the option there?
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Yeah? You know, I think, uh, we felt like, you know,
Coop's on the ball well for us, and that's a
good pocket for him. And you know, we knew we
had Gabe at the top and and what a job
I gave to just run that run our third base
with nobody out just outstanding pitching there and and uh,
you know gave.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Us a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Uh, Dan Wilson after the game. Well, if you're just
joining us, I've already gone off twice on this. And look,
Andres Munjoks is not having a good season. He's lost
four games, he's blown you know, five saves to this
point in the year, and the numbers aren't what we
expect out of Andre's Munioks. But I still see a
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guy with the same exact electric stuff that he's had.
He's just lacked command when he struggled, He's lacked command.
And as I pointed out an hour ago, that stems
back for me to how little he gets used. In
games where he gets zero to one day rest, he
has a point nine to three er, and in games
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where he gets two days rest between outings or more,
he has a nine point two eight er. He himself
has said I need to pitch more, and yet they
won't acknowledge that it is time. I don't want him
to stop being our closer. I want him to be
our closer, but it is time to stop using him
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as only a closer. And if that leads to somebody
else having to close a few games here and there. Fine,
I think we got a bullpen equipped to handle that.
But this waiting for perfect save opportunities to use Andres
Munnos is leading to him having to sit for five
six days at a time. There was an unstretching, which
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like one time in eleven days.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's terrible, and he's asking for more work. He relies
on rhythm, and for whatever reason, Dan will only put
him in and save opportunities or when we're tied in
the ninth and that's gotta stop. Okay, that's got to stop.
More so than getting rid of Andre's Munnos, we need
to stop just using him when it says on the
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scoreboard it's time for a stat because that's not what
that's not how you play winning baseball. So that's number one.
And then secondly, there is no excuse for using Cooper
Criswell in that situation. I'm sorry the bullpen was rested enough.
I realized you didn't have Matt Brash. I don't know
why you didn't have Matt Brash. You decided you didn't
(27:46):
have Matt Brash, but you had Bizarre too loose and
ready to go, and you were thinking about Oh, well,
Spiers got a pitch to the leadoff hitter, So let's
put Criswell in here and try to steal an out
or two. And even if you do steal an out
or two, now you're just using Spire for a third
of an inning. You're best reliever. At this point, it
(28:08):
was overthinking it. You already had Bizarto loose, and you
decided to use Kris will speed up his bullpen and
get him into phase seven, eight and nine. They're worst hitters.
Let's use our sixth best reliever, and you blew a
three run lead. You cut it down to two. So
Munios didn't have any flexibility to work with by the
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time he got out onto the mountain. Not that he
did his job, But to me, what did we learn
here today? Kids in the baseball brunch, it's number one
that Munos has botched another save, But so did Dan No.
I think that's what we learned today. Yeah, and you
position players aren't off the hook either. Sloppy defense again,
(28:51):
sloppy base running. You acted as if well, we got
four runs that should be enough, and then you just
stopped playing smart, good baseball. So they all wear this one.
They all had a hand in this loss. Munjos is
going to take it harder than anybody else, and he's
probably deserves the most criticism out there. But coaches, players,
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they all had a hand in blowing a game they
should have never blown.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
The only one who is who can say my hands
are clean is Castile.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's it. That's because he's a rocky out of the Mummy.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's a fist.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, that's right. Keeping above your head, you won't get
your hands dirty, all right? Coming up next apparently a
pretty big night in New York City Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. How you see there is this
is no way like judging anyone out there and how
you spend your money. That's one thing that I consistently
(29:51):
have done throughout my career. I will never tell anybody,
like on sports talk radio, how to spend your money
or what to spend it on, or anything like that.
I'm just telling you, I'm wondering, Ashley, how much money
I'd have to have personally that I would spend six
thousand dollars to sit in the rafters for Game three
(30:12):
of the NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I this is the problem with it though, right, because
if you have enough money that it's like, oh, money's
no objects. You're not only spending six thousand dollars to
sit in the rafters.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's like, but somebody is as the lowest price to
get in is six thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, that's which is ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Yeah, there's people, I mean, people who are probably like,
I've waited my whole life for this.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I'm gonna right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What I'm saying. I'm not passing any judgment. If somebody's like,
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you spend your
money however you want. I'm just saying from my perspective,
like I don't think I don't think I could be
worth six trillion dollars, and I'm not sure that I
would do that. I think I'd be much more rapt
Like there's a girl that bags my groceries, said Hagen,
(30:59):
and she's awesome, She's just really awesome at what she does,
and I think I would just like give her six
thousand dollars just to like make her day. Just like
you're really good and you always have a great positive attitude,
and this can't be the greatest job in the world,
and you probably deal with jerks all the time and scumbags,
and yet you keep that smile on your face and
you're proficient and you do get it right every single time.
(31:21):
Here's six thousand dollars. I think I'd spend it on that. Yeah,
for if I had like a ridiculous amount of money before,
I would spend six thousand dollars to go sit in
the rafters and watch a game that I'd probably have
a lot better time watching at home.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Agreed, Because again, yeah, at the same time, when you
have a lot of money too, you're like, I have
too much money to sit in the rafters. Yeah, yeah,
so I that's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I mean, there's some people that get off on a
crowd and being a part of the crowd there they're
just I mean, I've dated girls that way that just
like you don't want to go out, you don't want
to go be a part of that, you want to
go get in that mob. I know that really just
does not really interest me. I think, you know, if
I'm a Knicks fan and I've got that much money,
I'm having people over to my mansion, a hand selected
(32:08):
group of Dieard Nick fans that are also great friends
of mine, and we share that moment together and we
get to pee without having to disturb other people.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Right, and your drinks won't cost you forty dollars.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well at that point, I don't think you're worried about that,
the cost of drinks, But that's true. That's crazy thought.
Take it. And New York's been waiting for this for
a long long time, so it's gonna be quite. I mean,
it's just Game three. They can't obviously wrap it up tonight,
but they they're tasting it. They this is one of
those situations where they're pretty much like already counting on
(32:44):
it happening and they just got burned doing that one
year ago.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Yeah, it's I mean, all I keep hearing about is
how excited everyone in New York is for this, And
you know, I do feel bad that they can't be
outside because I think, like with the Stanley Cup playoffs
and the Stanley Cup just the whole journey, one of
my favorite things to see is when the away team
wins and you get to see the crowd, or when
you see the crowd outside of the arena that couldn't
(33:07):
get in and they're all out there watching on a
big screen and cheering and celebrating. I always think that's
so fun, and they can't do that tonight because the
President will be there. But on one of the shows before us,
they were like they should have just like let New
York have this one and then he could have gone
to Game four. I'm like, well, that would have been
worse because that's the one they if they win tonight,
they could close it out on that one. Like, you
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couldn't deprive them of Game four not being able to
be out there.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I'd I'm not a crowd person either, so being out there,
being in there wouldn't like.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
My nightmare would be. I mean, you go to Times
Square on New Year's Eve, that would be awful if.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Be one of those things. Like if I was there
and could get in, I'd go. Yeah, I mean for
the experience, I'd certainly go. But am I going to
spend six thousand dollars to sit in the nosebleeds just
to be a part of that scene.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
No, there's not a lot of things I would spend
six dollars on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have to be.
There's not a lot of things, especially not to spend
six thousand dollars for something that would be over in
three hours. There's definitely not a lot of things I
would spend.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And look, I'm not so like anti Knicks that, hey,
it's time. It's been a long time since they won
a championship, and so if if they get to do that,
good on the Knicks. Yeah, but there's a bigger part
of me that is like, I kind of hope you
get beaten by fifty tonight.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Because you're charging people an arm and.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
A leg for tickets. I kind of hope you're losing six. Yeah,
Like the Spurs are just like, okay, it's time to
start playing ball. We forgot for a couple of games.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
We just wanted all these people to spend a boatload
of money to come here so we can embarrass the
Nicks in front of them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean, you spend six thousand dollars just sitting in
the nose bleeds, not even close to Timothy Challomagne. No, yeah,
you're not even going to get near him, and you
watch your team lose by fifty five points. Yeah, I'm
rooting for that.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, that would be fun. I'm not chaos.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't hate the idea that Nicks finally get their
championship and they have a ball tonight. But what it
would be funnier, Yes, as if you lost by fifty.
All right, Coming up next, something that happened on Thursday
and Friday. I actually got asked to be on a
show on Friday to discuss this, and so I was
a little jealous. I'm like, I didn't have my own
(35:28):
show today to discuss this, you know, so I now
get to sink my teeth into the Chuck and Buck
radio program, into a trade season discussion. Apparently you all
thought was fine to have without me Thursday and Friday.
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM
KJRFM, and it is time for our Seahawks one series
to continue something we do every June, and that is
an entire month. Every day we will have one different
Seahawks analysts breakdown one key Seahawk player for one entire interview.
We have entered week number two of our series, day
number six of our series and joining us now on
(00:22):
the program, No one looks makes smoking a cigar look
better than this guy. He's with Cigar thoughts in fl
He's a blogger, he's been podcasting for years. Yeah, we
love dipping our toes into our waters of our podcasting
friends as well. Sometimes you hear him right here at
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, and when you
(00:42):
hear him, you hear great Seahawks analysis. And he joins
us today for our Seahawks one series. Jackson Bevans is
with us here on Chuck and Buck. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Chuck? What's happening man? Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey you Ben? How are things great? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know it's a U.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You catch me complaining, you can shoot me like life's
pretty good man, And even better when the team's heer
for a team that you cover won the Super Bowl.
It's like, you know what, I'm no matter what happens
this offseason, this is a stress free off season. I
refuse to get worked up this off season over anything
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that happens because they just finally took care of business
and exercised some real demons last year.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And the only thing that you can kind of get
worked up about is like you're a year ahead of
schedule and you have to fight yourself, do you not?
Maybe maybe it's just me, but don't you have to
fight yourself Jackson to like how good could they really be?
I mean, how how much improvement could they show? Because
I'm kind of expecting improvement because that's what I figured
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was going to happen over the course of the next
three years.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, it's a great point, and it's actually something I
talked about on Cigar Thoughts a little bit. Is we
didn't hear before where the Seahawks wan quicker than then
we thought. And I remember immediately jumping into dynasty mode,
how many are they going to win? You know, Russell
(02:12):
Wilson is coming for all of these rings, and and
you know I started to kind of use the first
championship as a springboard into projecting a bunch of stuff
and not I don't think really appreciating just how difficult
it is to go back to back, how difficult it is, uh,
(02:35):
you know, to build what is considered a dynasty. I mean,
it's only happened nine times, and you know, the first
fifty nine Super Bowl eligible years for it, and and
so this year I'm not doing that. I am going
to just enjoy every single bit of this. I'm gonna
enjoy every single bit of the pursuit for the second championship.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I love being the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Team that is forcing the Rams to mortgage the future,
to just load up and take him down.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, every single piece of this.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm gonna try and be as present as possible for
as opposed to you know, starting to say, oh well
let's see there's one. Let's see how many more of
these you can rip off, because you know, as we saw,
it doesn't take much for the cracks to show and
for you know, feeling like you almost have to start
all over again. So that being said, I do also
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expect them to improve, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, well, I think you got the right perspective. You're
keeping it in check. Jackson Bevans of Cigar Thoughts in
fl joining us here does a tremendous Seahawks podcast, blog
and blogging for years about this team, and of course
we lean on him when we can as well. All Right,
so let's get into the Seahawks one series. What player
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are you wanting to break down for an entire interview
here today?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You know, I appreciate y'all giving me the chance to choose,
and and you know, Chuck, we've worked together a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, we we've done.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Some crossover work with Whitewater Drafting series. We've you know,
you've been on Cigar Thoughts, I've been on your show,
and and I think one thing that you know about
me is I really do like to lean into the
numbers and the analytics, not not to make a point
or necessarily to form an opinion, but to see how
supportive that you know of an opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I should be thrown all that out the.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Window, because when it comes to offensive line play.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It really is do you have it or you or
do you not?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And we're talking about grades Abel today because that guy
just has it. And I'm always so hesitant to put
too much emphasis into what I see in the season
from rookies. For all of the usual caveats, but that
opening series against the Chiefs in the preseason last year,
he put like three dudes on their back and you
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watch his college tape and it is so dominant, so dominant,
They're like, Okay, this guy projected first round NFL playing
against FCS guys surrounded by great lineman and you know,
skill position players relative to the guys that they're playing.
Of course he's going to look dominant. I needed him
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to look like he belonged, and he looked dominant on
that drive, and so you start to get a little
bit excited. Fast forward five months and he's flattening the
one guy on the Patriots I'm scared could win the
game for them in the Super Bowl on the first play,
and then tells him I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
To die today.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like when you talk about whether you have it or not,
I'm not sure how many rookies I've ever seen on
this team immediately have it the way Grey's Able does.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And yet we had two of them last year. And again,
kind of in reference to the topic we just discussed,
I mean, you don't want to put too much expectation
on a couple of guys that took the League by
Storm and were huge factors in winning a super Bowl
their very first season in the league. And yet it
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is hard not to wonder how much better Emon Worri
can get and how much better Gray Zabel has a
chance to become. What are your thoughts, since we are
talking one series about Gray Zabel, what's the ceiling on
this guy?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, here's the thing is, I don't even think he
was like anywhere close to what we can see from
him last year with how well Seattle ran the ball
down the stretch last few games of the regular season, honestly,
really outside of funny enough, the two Rams games after
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that first Rams lost with all the turnovers, they really
stopped trying to build the entire plane out of Jackson,
Smith and Jigba and took the ball out of Darnold's
hands a little bit, but and ran the ball really well,
especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, it was a dominant run performance, but it's
easy to forget this team couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Run at all until like Thanksgiving like at all, and
it was really really difficult for the Kubiak offense to
do what they wanted to do, and a lot of
that happened at center and right guard. But you also
were seeing Zabel have a number of plays where he
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was blocking almost defensively, and he was good in past protection,
but not great. The thing that's so encouraging to me
is those are the types of things like we saw
enough from his footwork and his handwork to say that
he has the baseline where I no longer have to
worry about him being a liability. I no longer have
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to worry about him being someone the other team targets,
which is like the baseline for NFL offensive line play.
You see enough flashes of dominance that you can look
at this and say, all right, this is not a
guy who needs to gamble. This is a guy who
only had five penalties as a rookie, only three, you know,
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three holding penalties, And it's like, Okay, these plays that
he's getting beat, it's not because he's having to cheat
because he's not fast enough or not strong enough. Sometimes
you just get beat at the NFL level. But the
way that he has also won the majority of his
reps against established, extremely good NFL interior defenders makes me say, like,
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there is a leap that can be made here. I'm
sure he would tell you the same thing, and for
the first time in over a decade, you had an
offensive line in Seattle playing with confidence. And we have
confidence in the guys next to you and don't need
to worry about covering for their mistakes, which is what
you saw over the final month of the postseason. That's
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where you can really start to take offense and offensive line.
And I think Zabel is as talented as any of them.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Jackson Bevans is with us. Of course, you can follow
him at Jackson Bevans. That's jacso in he spells it
a little different than Smith and Jigba, and then also
at Cigar Thoughts NFL as so we do our Seahawks.
So one series, it's one analyst breaking down one key
Seahawk player for one entire interview. And Jackson has zoned
(09:42):
in on our left guard, Gray Zabel getting ready for
his second season in the National Football League and already
has himself a championship ring as a primary member of
the team. And so let's talk about the group at
large while you know, keeping Zabel at the heart of
this next question. I've been here now going on eleven years.
(10:07):
I have never been in Seattle without Seahawk fans. Complaining
about the offensive line until now. This is like the
first offseason that we have I've not heard Seahawk fans
say we need help on the offensive line. So where
are you with the health of this overall group, the
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strength of this overall group, and how Gray Zabel fits into.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I mean, Nick, no mistake, the Seahawks need help
on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They still need it.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean, so do like twenty seven or twenty eight
teams every single year. I think it is so easy
to underestimate just how difficult it is to find five
reliable offensive linemen and put them on one team in
the NFL. And it's why we're seeing guards who aren't
being recent by their own team fetched north of twenty
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million a year in free agency.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is just really difficult. But for the.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
First time, probably since you've been in this market, they
have three out of five that you can count on.
I don't have like a ton of confidence in the
center right guard position yet, you know, maybe you know,
both Stevens helps with that. Maybe we see a step
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forward from either Sondel or Bradford. But like, make no mistake,
those guys are who other defenses are targeting and so there,
I still think there are a couple of weaker links
in that chain.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Can't say they can't get coached up and get better.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Can't say there isn't going to be development from someone else,
maybe Christian Haynes, that you know, improves that. I don't
think this is a great offensive line. I think that
they have three potentially great offensive linemen, and there's not
a lot of teams who can say that. I think
when they're at their best, Cross and Lucas give you
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a top five to top seven tackle tandem in the NFL.
And I think grays Abel is already showing himself to
be an above average NFL guard. That is a huge,
huge improvement in terms of the baseline of your offensive line.
But this is by no means a complete line.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah yeah, but not a weakness either. Maybe not like
it hasn't been in the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Path for the first time.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
They are not a week yeah yeah. And so when
you think about the prospects of an already very good
RAMS team, maybe even great RAMS team, and you know
what happened last week, and adding Miles Garrett and even
let's go ahead and just make this scenario as scary
as possible Aaron Donald comes back too. Okay, how do
you feel about Zabel and company holding up against this group?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I mean, I guess as well as you can about
any other line holding up against that group. The Rams
are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
but they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
to Seattle the way that they're loading up and and
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so you know, I think that if the Rams win
the NFC Championship game last year, they do not make
that trade. So I mean, look, they're going to have
some hilarious games the Rams this year where it's just
it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in the trenches.
It's just and that's going to happen against Seattle too.
It's it would be silly to think otherwise that if
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Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden Fisk is healthy, if Aaron
Donald is out there and we all know how still
been training, Yeah, they're gonna have some absolutely comical dominant performances.
I wish I could say, oh, well, you know, Brian
Flurry has this drawn up scheme or handle it. Look,
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there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There is, yeah,
And you know, he's the most dominant player I've seen
on that side of the football since Aaron Donald. And
if we're gonna throw even eighty percent of what Aaron
Donald was back onto that roster there, nobody's nobody's got
the guys for that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're gonna have to out scheme it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And you're gonna have to find a way on defense
to put the clamps on the Rams in ways that
they really couldn't do even in those two games that
they won last year.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Jackson Beabins, I'm breaking down Gary's Abel, Gray's Abel for
us here in our Seahawks one series, one analyst that
you know and like, breaking down one key Seahawk player
that you know and like for one entire interview here
on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings and so well,
just to bring this full circle, your opening comments, I mean,
(14:52):
you say he's got it. I mean you're taking away
all the numbers, all the data and just saying he's
got it. I mean usually when people say that is
because they don't really know how else to describe it.
But you're a master of words. We do this for
a living here, So what on what is it that
you think? Is it about Gray's Abel? And does that
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include the fact that we have a left guard who
drinks cheap beer and that fits into the he's got
it category?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's he's a left guard straight
out of Central casting in terms. Yeah, if you're making
a football movie and you're going to be given some lines.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
To your guard for some reason, you are casting Grey's Abel.
You know, he he looks the part, he acts the part.
It feels genuine.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But when I say you got it, I don't think
it's possible to overstate just how insane an NFL, a
really good NFL player is, And when you're talking about
interior defensive line, and when you're talking about arguably the
strongest guys on the field, full of the strongest guys,
And when I say you've got it, I don't mean
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here's this play here or there, here's a funny line
in the media. What I mean is the ability to
go heads up with those dudes sixty times in a
row and win more than you lose. He played ninety
nine percent of the snaps as a rookie. That is insane.
He started forty six games in college, didn't miss a
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single one, played eleven games as a freshman the year
before that, didn't miss any games due to injury, hardly
missed any snaps at any point in his football career.
But again it comes back to the biggest moment of
his life, the first snap of the Super Bowl, going
up against an all Pro, putting that dude on his
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back and then telling him I am ready to die today.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He was not looking around like, oh my gosh, I
did that. Wow? What that was cool?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He was like, no, I want you to know this
is going to be the worst day of your life today.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I really do mean it. I mean when I see
Jackson Bevans on a show and he's doing that, uh
that cigar, and it's always some big, giant, you know,
spectacular looking thing, I'm like, man, why didn't I take
up that hobby? It looks so cool when he does
that with that cigar. So what's the key? What's the
key to a good cigar? Jackson? And looking cool while
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smoking it?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Well, I don't know about looking thing, all right, thank you.
The biggest thing is you just you just can't let
the smoke bug.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, and okay, you just got to immerse yourself in anything.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, but it's also just kind of like a breathing
technique that that you learned.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But in terms of what you know sets.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Apart a good cigar, you know a lot of people
want to focus on this is how it smells. These
are the no so the taste all that stuff is
important to me too, But really it's constructions. How well
does it burn? You know, are the flames going to
run down one side? Is it going to tunnel down
the middle? Does it get hot when you still have
half your cigar left and now you're fighting it? And
(18:14):
so you know, there's just certain brands and certain construction
methods that that I look for.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But yeah, analytics bring that down.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
With your bragging about his cigar smoking.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
How many do you smoke? Though? By the way, I mean,
is that like a daily like I got home from
work and I need to put my feet up and
grab a cigar or is that just for like special events?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, I'd say somewhere in between. Okay, No, it's it's
it's something where you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A really enjoyable process for me.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I don't want it to become abbot, but it is
something I enjoy, you know, trying to be pretty disciplined
in the other areas of my life. And that's that's
one thing that you know, I'm willing to lean into
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Got it, Got it understood? All right? Man, Well, thank
you very much. Great to catch up, good to hear you,
great stuff on gray'sable and what do you say, let's go,
let's go have a football season? What do you say?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh man, I'm I'm so ready, I'm so ready. Check.
I appreciate you having me man.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Jackson Evans joining us again. It's his Cigar Thoughts podcast.
He's been doing it for years, does a great job
with it. Check it out at Cigar Thoughts NFL, and
of course you can just follow him personally as well
at Jackson Bevans. All right, so there you go, Seahawks
one series. We'll do it again tomorrow, but a great
(19:38):
breakdown there of Gray's abel from Jackson Bevans. Coming up next,
we'll recap yesterday's Mariner disaster. It's the Baseball brunch not
suitable for children. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM
here on Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM we decided we needed a second
to time during the show to recap certain baseball games
(20:00):
that our local team has played, and since a lot
of you aren't up at six thirty, we chose eight
thirty for this formatted breakdown of the Mariners' most recent game.
It is the Baseball Brunch, and today it is starring
Luis Castillo.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Enough Matt sat down and brings the McKinstry. We've seen
some really good stuff early on from Louis Castillo. Through
two innings already six and swings and misses. That is
another strikeout on another pitch up from Luis Castillo. He
has been living upstairs and it's been working out.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
It looks fixed, it looks good.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Let me look good. Yeah that.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I left that game yesterday thinking, well, at least I'm
not mad at Castillo too. At least I'm not irritated
with that situation because that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Was good all right. Since the piggyback, that's four outings
and I thought he's he's looked good in all of them.
He's dropped his ERA from six point four to one
to five point one six in that time, so lowered
it one point three runs per game in the span
of just four outings, and I do say outings because
(21:10):
one start, three no two starts, two relief appearances mixed
in the piggyback. So I don't know if this was
an expected result, an intended result, or or not. But
they are getting great results from Bryce Miller, who looks
like our best picture right now, and Luis Castillo who
looks back to being Luis Castillo again. So maybe an
(21:34):
unintended consequence, an unintended benefit from we have too many pictures,
what are we gonna do, Let's create, get creative, let's
think outside the box. And it's almost as if it's
sharpened Castillo, like nothing has to this point this year.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, it's been incredible to watch.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
And you know, I know a lot of people still
very irritated about the piggyback, but it is I'm sure,
right just saying that they've got to be mad, but
you cannot look because I think we were all kind
of holding our breath for this start, right Like, Okay,
now that he's got the you know, this is his
start his game. We don't know how long he's going
to go. It's not a piggyback situation. How is it
(22:11):
going to go?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And he impressed. He did more than his job.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He was great, And I left that game thinking, all right,
good work, you earned that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Now enough nice stuff. Yeah, that's enough of that.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That's right now.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Maybe maybe Mariners be creative like you were with that
with other things.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm just saying, well, there's not a lot of great
things to say. I did want to acknowledge Luis Castillo today,
but this team blew a game they should have never blown.
They led throughout the contest, they were up with cushion
late in the game at four to one when Castillo left,
(22:49):
And there's no excuse for losing this game. There are reasons,
but there's no excuse. You should have salted this one away,
and you gave it away quite frankly and in a
lot of ways. But certainly the bullpen lets the team down,
most notably Andres Munos, who blows his fifth save of
the season. And we're only on June eighth, yesterday, pitching
(23:12):
for the first time in over five days, Munjos just
was not sharp yesterday and he coughs up a four
to three lead. The Tigers walk it off on a
two run RBI single from rookie Kevin McGonagall. Who's very
good to win it five to four and take two
out of three in the series. It's the Baseball Brunch,
(23:33):
also featuring Dan Wilson, who talked about Andres Munos after
the game.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Yeah, it just looked like, you know, the command wasn't there,
and and you know, couldn't seem to find it, you know,
with the with a couple of hitters, and you know,
as we know Walkston be can can hurt and those
you know, those two.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Came around to hear it.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But you know, it looked like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Just have a hard time find in the command.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
It seems like that'spending an issue on an awful season
for him the earlier as the slider. Now it seems
to be a little bit of trouble with the fastball
he got. I feel for why he's not able to
command as well so far.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean, you know that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Don to time.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
You know, I think it's been a little bit since
he's been out there, but you know, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That can do it.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
But but you know, I hope he continues to.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
To keep working at it.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
And uh, you know, he's been our go to guy
for a long time and and uh, you know, he
knows how to how to pitch in those situations and
and uh, that's just a tough one to lose it though.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah, and he almost went exclusively fastball.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Was that in an effort to get that bitch?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Or you know, I think, uh, just trying to you know,
find that release point. And I think things kind of
go off that the fastball I've got. You know, we
got the quick out really really quickly there the first
out of the inning, and uh and then it just
seemed like he could find it after that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And uh, but.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
You know he bought hard to get that second out,
and uh, you know, just uh, it's just I guess
that's just a tough way to do that.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Why was what was the thinking on going to Cooper
in the seventh maybe to go the bizarreo there and
then rush and potencially brash or why? I guess why
was Cooper the option there?
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Yeah? You know, I think, uh, we felt like, you know,
Coop's on the ball well for us, and that's a
good pocket for him. And you know, we knew we
had Gabe at the top and and what a job
I gave to just run that run our third base
with nobody out just outstanding pitching there and and uh,
you know gave.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Us a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Uh, Dan Wilson after the game. Well, if you're just
joining us, I've already gone off twice on this. And look,
Andres Munjoks is not having a good season. He's lost
four games, he's blown you know, five saves to this
point in the year, and the numbers aren't what we
expect out of Andre's Munioks. But I still see a
(25:58):
guy with the same exact electric stuff that he's had.
He's just lacked command when he struggled, He's lacked command.
And as I pointed out an hour ago, that stems
back for me to how little he gets used. In
games where he gets zero to one day rest, he
has a point nine to three er, and in games
(26:19):
where he gets two days rest between outings or more,
he has a nine point two eight er. He himself
has said I need to pitch more, and yet they
won't acknowledge that it is time. I don't want him
to stop being our closer. I want him to be
our closer, but it is time to stop using him
(26:39):
as only a closer. And if that leads to somebody
else having to close a few games here and there. Fine,
I think we got a bullpen equipped to handle that.
But this waiting for perfect save opportunities to use Andres
Munnos is leading to him having to sit for five
six days at a time. There was an unstretching, which
(27:00):
like one time in eleven days.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
That's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's terrible, and he's asking for more work. He relies
on rhythm, and for whatever reason, Dan will only put
him in and save opportunities or when we're tied in
the ninth and that's gotta stop. Okay, that's got to stop.
More so than getting rid of Andre's Munnos, we need
to stop just using him when it says on the
(27:25):
scoreboard it's time for a stat because that's not what
that's not how you play winning baseball. So that's number one.
And then secondly, there is no excuse for using Cooper
Criswell in that situation. I'm sorry the bullpen was rested enough.
I realized you didn't have Matt Brash. I don't know
why you didn't have Matt Brash. You decided you didn't
(27:46):
have Matt Brash, but you had Bizarre too loose and
ready to go, and you were thinking about Oh, well,
Spiers got a pitch to the leadoff hitter, So let's
put Criswell in here and try to steal an out
or two. And even if you do steal an out
or two, now you're just using Spire for a third
of an inning. You're best reliever. At this point, it
(28:08):
was overthinking it. You already had Bizarto loose, and you
decided to use Kris will speed up his bullpen and
get him into phase seven, eight and nine. They're worst hitters.
Let's use our sixth best reliever, and you blew a
three run lead. You cut it down to two. So
Munios didn't have any flexibility to work with by the
(28:28):
time he got out onto the mountain. Not that he
did his job, But to me, what did we learn
here today? Kids in the baseball brunch, it's number one
that Munos has botched another save, But so did Dan No.
I think that's what we learned today. Yeah, and you
position players aren't off the hook either. Sloppy defense again,
(28:51):
sloppy base running. You acted as if well, we got
four runs that should be enough, and then you just
stopped playing smart, good baseball. So they all wear this one.
They all had a hand in this loss. Munjos is
going to take it harder than anybody else, and he's
probably deserves the most criticism out there. But coaches, players,
(29:15):
they all had a hand in blowing a game they
should have never blown.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
The only one who is who can say my hands
are clean is Castile.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's it. That's because he's a rocky out of the Mummy.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's a fist.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, that's right. Keeping above your head, you won't get
your hands dirty, all right? Coming up next apparently a
pretty big night in New York City Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. How you see there is this
is no way like judging anyone out there and how
you spend your money. That's one thing that I consistently
(29:51):
have done throughout my career. I will never tell anybody,
like on sports talk radio, how to spend your money
or what to spend it on, or anything like that.
I'm just telling you, I'm wondering, Ashley, how much money
I'd have to have personally that I would spend six
thousand dollars to sit in the rafters for Game three
(30:12):
of the NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I this is the problem with it though, right, because
if you have enough money that it's like, oh, money's
no objects. You're not only spending six thousand dollars to
sit in the rafters.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's like, but somebody is as the lowest price to
get in is six thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, that's which is ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Yeah, there's people, I mean, people who are probably like,
I've waited my whole life for this.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I'm gonna right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What I'm saying. I'm not passing any judgment. If somebody's like,
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you spend your
money however you want. I'm just saying from my perspective,
like I don't think I don't think I could be
worth six trillion dollars, and I'm not sure that I
would do that. I think I'd be much more rapt
Like there's a girl that bags my groceries, said Hagen,
(30:59):
and she's awesome, She's just really awesome at what she does,
and I think I would just like give her six
thousand dollars just to like make her day. Just like
you're really good and you always have a great positive attitude,
and this can't be the greatest job in the world,
and you probably deal with jerks all the time and scumbags,
and yet you keep that smile on your face and
you're proficient and you do get it right every single time.
(31:21):
Here's six thousand dollars. I think I'd spend it on that. Yeah,
for if I had like a ridiculous amount of money before,
I would spend six thousand dollars to go sit in
the rafters and watch a game that I'd probably have
a lot better time watching at home.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Agreed, Because again, yeah, at the same time, when you
have a lot of money too, you're like, I have
too much money to sit in the rafters. Yeah, yeah,
so I that's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I mean, there's some people that get off on a
crowd and being a part of the crowd there they're
just I mean, I've dated girls that way that just
like you don't want to go out, you don't want
to go be a part of that, you want to
go get in that mob. I know that really just
does not really interest me. I think, you know, if
I'm a Knicks fan and I've got that much money,
I'm having people over to my mansion, a hand selected
(32:08):
group of Dieard Nick fans that are also great friends
of mine, and we share that moment together and we
get to pee without having to disturb other people.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Right, and your drinks won't cost you forty dollars.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well at that point, I don't think you're worried about that,
the cost of drinks, But that's true. That's crazy thought.
Take it. And New York's been waiting for this for
a long long time, so it's gonna be quite. I mean,
it's just Game three. They can't obviously wrap it up tonight,
but they they're tasting it. They this is one of
those situations where they're pretty much like already counting on
(32:44):
it happening and they just got burned doing that one
year ago.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Yeah, it's I mean, all I keep hearing about is
how excited everyone in New York is for this, And
you know, I do feel bad that they can't be
outside because I think, like with the Stanley Cup playoffs
and the Stanley Cup just the whole journey, one of
my favorite things to see is when the away team
wins and you get to see the crowd, or when
you see the crowd outside of the arena that couldn't
(33:07):
get in and they're all out there watching on a
big screen and cheering and celebrating. I always think that's
so fun, and they can't do that tonight because the
President will be there. But on one of the shows before us,
they were like they should have just like let New
York have this one and then he could have gone
to Game four. I'm like, well, that would have been
worse because that's the one they if they win tonight,
they could close it out on that one. Like, you
(33:28):
couldn't deprive them of Game four not being able to
be out there.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I'd I'm not a crowd person either, so being out there,
being in there wouldn't like.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
My nightmare would be. I mean, you go to Times
Square on New Year's Eve, that would be awful if.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Be one of those things. Like if I was there
and could get in, I'd go. Yeah, I mean for
the experience, I'd certainly go. But am I going to
spend six thousand dollars to sit in the nosebleeds just
to be a part of that scene.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
No, there's not a lot of things I would spend
six dollars on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have to be.
There's not a lot of things, especially not to spend
six thousand dollars for something that would be over in
three hours. There's definitely not a lot of things I
would spend.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And look, I'm not so like anti Knicks that, hey,
it's time. It's been a long time since they won
a championship, and so if if they get to do that,
good on the Knicks. Yeah, but there's a bigger part
of me that is like, I kind of hope you
get beaten by fifty tonight.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Because you're charging people an arm and.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
A leg for tickets. I kind of hope you're losing six. Yeah,
Like the Spurs are just like, okay, it's time to
start playing ball. We forgot for a couple of games.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
We just wanted all these people to spend a boatload
of money to come here so we can embarrass the
Nicks in front of them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean, you spend six thousand dollars just sitting in
the nose bleeds, not even close to Timothy Challomagne. No, yeah,
you're not even going to get near him, and you
watch your team lose by fifty five points. Yeah, I'm
rooting for that.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, that would be fun. I'm not chaos.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't hate the idea that Nicks finally get their
championship and they have a ball tonight. But what it
would be funnier, Yes, as if you lost by fifty.
All right, Coming up next, something that happened on Thursday
and Friday. I actually got asked to be on a
show on Friday to discuss this, and so I was
a little jealous. I'm like, I didn't have my own
(35:28):
show today to discuss this, you know, so I now
get to sink my teeth into the Chuck and Buck
radio program, into a trade season discussion. Apparently you all
thought was fine to have without me Thursday and Friday.
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