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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tian run at the play with one out of the
eighth indep centerfield. Julio in front of the warning track
Ballpark will hold it, Holiday comes home play it.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Second tripped up and out that second base. The run
at home counts. Bliss drops the anchor on top of
a second.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Alexander is out. The tag got down before the run crosses.
It very well could have. I mean, how many close
calls have there been in this game? So you say,
sync that up back in New York and.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Your cold here, let's find out after review the call
is overturn no run.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Fo Oh my gosh, what a turn. Julio with a
hose preto much to explain on that play. Let's just
put it this way. Mariners win six to three last night.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The Challenge their friend last night, even though they are terrible.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
At it, one of the best in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Now, yeah, historically and traditionally awful in the long history
of the Challenges, they are bad, but last night kind
of saved. They're baking a couple of times, and they
win a wild game in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Final score was six to three.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
They moved to thirty five and thirty two on the
season thanks to Mariners TV Aaron and Ryan Rowland Smith.
They're on the call, MS and Orioles. Back at it today.
First pitch at three thirty five. They're throwing a left hander.
I'm warning you now. Trevor Rodgers gets the start for
Baltimore and the Mariners will counter with Logan Gilbert. Other
headlines here brought to you by Frostbrewed Corps like Choose Chill.
(01:45):
The Spurs shocked New York one fifteen to one eleven.
I know how stunning it is for a better team
to beat the other one, but the Spurs do win
one fifteen to one eleven, and I really don't know
if they're the better team. The Knicks are playing great
team basketball and have been throughout this postseason, but they're
(02:05):
the most more talented team, without question. That's what we
talked about for five frickin months for goodness sake, in
evaluating the NBA's best teams out there. So I don't
think too many people should be surprised that the Spurs
actually pulled out a victory in the NBA Finals, whether
it was at Raucus Madison Square Garden or not. So
the Spurs are back in the series, They're down two
(02:27):
games to one. Game three will be played tomorrow night.
Tonight game four of the Stanley Cup Final in Las Vegas,
where the Golden Knights are up on Carolina.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
By a two to one lead.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And they are describing this and when I say they,
a lot of hockey fans, a lot of hockey people
are describing this as one of the best, most competitive
Stanley Cup Finals we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's how good the game action has been to.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
This, I mean, especially after the game on Saturday. My goodness.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Speaking of Las Vegas, the Ace has beat the Storm
last night one one oh one to ninety one. And
also in Las Vegas tonight. I don't know if you
saw this, but it finished late. The Las Vegas A's
played their first game in Las Vegas. And if you
thought Sacramento was a launching pad, fifteen to fourteen last night,
(03:17):
oh wow. So they played in a minor league park.
So Sacramento is a minor league park and people have
complained that it is too hit her friendly. Well, Las
Vegas is even more famously hit her friendly. But they're
going to play a few games there until they get
the big arena built. So they played their last night
against the Milwaukee Brewers' final score fifteen. Oh my good,
(03:39):
fourteen in the game Mariners. Also, speaking of baseball, JP
to the il Colt Emerson did not play last night
because of a back injury he suffered in pregame warmups.
And speaking of injuries, cal Raley is going to be
in Tacoma tonight catching for the Rainiers, So that's going
(04:00):
to be fun. We'll see if they'll still be there
on Friday when I get to call the game with
Riley pay Who knows. I don't think he's gonna need
as long a ramp up as what some are reporting.
But if he is playing there Friday, fun.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, fun for you to get to see him. Obviously.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yeah, I hope he's been back with the big club,
But I mean, why not give the Tacoma fans a
little bit more?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah? Why not? Why not?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Also, College World Series, the Elite eight is now set
for Omaha that will begin on Friday. Seahawks mandatory mini
camp starts today, and of course World Cup week is
here in Seattle two days from now, two sleeps from now,
the first game of the World Cup season, and we
will talk about that a little bit later on in
the show.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Even though I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
How we're gonna find a way. Yeah, Chuck, we're gonna
find a way.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And it's by it's by confessing ignorance. It's by asking
for help. They say that all the time. If you
need help, ask for help.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for help.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
We're gonna ask for stupid questions, right, and then you
ask a question and they tell you stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So we're going to ask for help a little bit
later on in the show on how we should cover
the World Cup for you. So it's Chuck Palell, that's
Ashley Ryan with you here on this Tuesday. Still no
Bucky Jacobson on the radio program. And man, he would
have been having a ball the last couple of months
with all of these juicy Mariner topics that we've had.
(05:22):
One thing he would not have enjoyed was me continuously
questioning Dan Wilson's pitching changes. But here we are, Yeah, Loves,
and we're gonna do it again today. I know I
just talked about bullpen yesterday, but we're gonna go back
at it today and from this standpoint, and I'm going
(05:42):
to start off by kind of complimenting.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Dan to a degree, defending Dan to a degree.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, I know that's going to feel like it's out
of left field based off of what I think you're
braced for coming up and what you've been listening from
me from me the last few.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
But I will at least say this, I mean, the
end of the day, we're looking for positive results, right
and we have a bullpen that is third in the
American League and fourth in Major League Baseball in tm
e RA. Okay, we are third in the American League,
so four third in the American League, but we're only
point oh three, you know, back of first place. The boss,
(06:26):
I think we got passed last night. I think we
were first place until we gave up a couple runs
last night. So at the three point one ad RA
out of our bullpen, that's good. We are also best
in the American League and fewest innings pitched by our
bullpen number one. So you know, even though I had
(06:47):
a lot of problems, a lot of you listening have
had a lot of problems with the way that Dan
uses his bullpen.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Got a lot of problems with you people.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I mean, we have to acknowledge before we start criticizing
that whatever he's doing, no matter how strange at times
it seems to some of us, and I'm absolutely bewildered
at this point by what he's doing. That they are
getting results. And maybe those good positive results are because
of how careful they're being with usage, and because how
(07:17):
they're trying to steal outs here and steal outs there,
and because Matt Brash is not used on back to
back days and sometimes not back to back weeks. So
whatever their method is, and I might call it madness,
they are getting results out of their bullpen use. I
(07:39):
don't quite see it that way. I think you've got
a really good bullpen assembled here, maybe a great one,
and if you would just use it a little bit smarter,
I don't think that you would be having all of
this consternation day to day, week to week that you
seem to be having with how to use guys and
win to use them.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I think the biggest problem actually is all the
walls that they put up. You know, I had a
little back and forth with Brady Farcas he does that
Refuse to Lose podcast, and he does a good job
and he's a huge baseball fan and I respect him
for all of that. And I'm not using him to
point him out, point this out. I'm just in case
he's listening. I wanted to at least use his argument
(08:26):
because he's he was defending on social media last night
Dan's usage of Cooper Criswell for two innings when I
spent a little bit time bashing that, and so I
just want to use what he said in his his tweet.
He was talking about what restrictions that they are under
and does he really, does Dan really have any more
(08:47):
other option than to go with Cooper Criswell for a
second straight inning. Well, let's talk about those restrictions, because
Number one is we've decided to go to a six
man rotation. We've you know, put the piggyback on the
back burner, on the piggyback burner, and that immediately forces
us to be down a relief pitcher. I don't think
(09:09):
we should be in a six man rotation right now,
but this is the decision that the organization has made,
so we're already down a relief pitcher. Second wall that
we've put up and this is this is why it's
not as simple to navigate for Dan as what I
think it should be. Starting pitchers, if you're going to
(09:31):
go to a six man rotation, you kind of have
to ask them to.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Go a little deeper.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, and yet we've kept in place this eighty five
to ninety five pitches window, where if you finish an
inning and you're between eighty five and ninety five pitches, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Not gonna go out for another inning. Right, So that's.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Another like like Hancock yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah, that's another obstacle that they've put in place. I mean,
Emerson wasn't on his a game yesterday, but one run
in five innings. He wasn't bad, and he was sitting
at ninety two pitches, and we already know we're down
a guy in the bullpen, and we already know about
some of these other obstacles I'm going to go through.
You know, maybe it's pushing Emerson into the sixth inning
(10:17):
and then having Chriswell, who we have faith to go
more than one inning, even though we don't with brash
Spire or Munnos.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
We pushed Criswell.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Now he could bail him out if he gets in trouble,
but instead Emerson's at ninety two pitches. We got to
take him out, so they take him out, So there's
another barrier that we have to confront. Then we have
already decided, apparently before the game that Spire can't pitch
because he's gone back to back outings. And I understand that.
(10:47):
I respect that. I don't think he should have pitched last.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Night, Farrer. We also.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Brady Brady applied it to Ferrer, even though at one
point he was loosening up. I don't know if we
have to apply it to Farrare. I think the dude's
a horse.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he cares.
How many times in the Roly pitches, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I mean, maybe that's playing with fire on my part.
But okay, we're out. We're down Forrare too, because he
went back to back day. So now we're down to
five guys. Now we have five relief pitchers that we
got to use, and we just took out our starting
pitcher in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And then, according to the defense.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Of Dan Wilson, you can't trust mun Yokes after Sunday. Okay,
so we're down to four guys, and then you can't
trust Alex Hoppey with only a four run lead. Okay, well,
now we're down to three guys, we got three innings,
we got three relief pitchers apparently we can use, and
(11:44):
we have twelve outs to get and that's if we
stay in regulation, right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And so Chriswell trot's out in.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The sixth and he just pitched the day before two
and he has a clean sixth inning now two me,
it seemed obvious Criswell comes out because he just pitched
the day before. Rather than have him pitch another new inning,
you got a sixth inning out of him. I wasn't
even expecting him to pitch last night. Yeah, especially with
(12:15):
a lead. And Matt Brash has not pitched in a week.
He's pitched one time in a week, one time in
seven days. This is another restriction that we've placed on
ourselves here. And so we bring in Matt Brash in
the seventh to bail out Cooper Criswell, who, in my opinion,
(12:36):
you got what you needed out of him, and you
got a chance to let him feel good about that.
He got back on track. And then you go to
a Bizardo or a Brash for the seventh with a
clean inning. I mean, is it against the rules to
put Matt Brash in a game without.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Traffic on it?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I'm going to tell you something about pitchers, and I
don't care what level it is. They don't like cleaning
up other people's messes. And this is the funny part
about it, they also don't like other people cleaning up
their own messes. I mean, how many times have you
watched George Kirby stand on the top of the dugout
until somebody cleans up his second and third with two
(13:15):
outs because he.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Knew I can get out of this. What are you
taking me out of the game for?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, so you leave every single Practically every time Brash
comes in the game, it's to clean up somebody's mess
And then he had to rush his bullpen session to
get into the game rather than having him ready to
go to start the seventh if that's who you wanted
to go to next in the sequence. And then he
(13:41):
comes in and he's obviously not warm. Because Matt Brash
has not had control problems this year.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
He was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He was everywhere with his pitches.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It was so clear he wasn't ready to start pitching
live bullets in a Major League baseball game. And so
now all of a sudden, you're like, oh gosh, and
because of all of our other restrictions, we now only
have one other guy we can go to who's properly
rested and ready for this game. So we stick with Brash.
(14:12):
He gets bailed out by the Johnny Parade to challenge.
Oh thank goodness, we get out of that inning. But
guess what we did. We saved Matt Brash for last night.
We didn't use him the night before. He's pitched one
time in seven days, and we were saving him for
the Orioles on Monday night. Apparently, apparently that was the plan,
(14:34):
and we needed twelve outs, and because Brash had to
come in and bail out Kriswell, we only.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Got two outs out of him last night.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Those are precious outs when you are putting up all
these walls, all these obstacles of guys that can't come
in for all these various reasons, and guys that can't
go deeper, and guys that can't pitch on back to
back days. We're putting up all these walls, and now
all of a sudden, though our best reliever available tonight
we use, We rush him into the game to bail
(15:07):
out somebody who shouldn't have pitched a second inning, and
then that pitcher only gets to use to get burns
up two of the twelve outs that we need. And
because we can't possibly put him back into the next inning,
now we've lost that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Now we've got to get through the night with Bizardo.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And it turns out Munyos actually was available last night,
and so was Freer, And yet we dance our way
around all these obstacles, and I just think it's too
much work.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Like I think you were just so over complicating this.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Pitchers want to pitch with a clean inning. Let them
pitch with a clean inning.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Why on earth did Brass just not start the seventh
and Bizardo not just start the eighth and Muno's does
to start the ninth if you knew that he was
available rather then we're going to steal some outs from
Criswell on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Blows up in our face.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, can we steal some more outs with Criswell on Monday?
I mean, we could let him go hit the showers
with a clean inning and feel good about himself. But
let's try to squeeze a couple more outs out of him,
and if he can't, we'll use Brash to bail him out,
even though that's not effective use of brash, right, And
so to me, it's just I mean, if you're going
(16:28):
to put up all of these rules in all of
these walls, you're not maximizing the outs that you need
from your best relievers. We do the same thing with Spire.
I got news for you. Spire is our best dude
right now. And the idea of using him in case
somebody else gets in trouble and having him to come
(16:49):
in the middle of the inning and he might only
need one out to get out of that inning.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And then you're not going to put him in the back.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, that's just a horrible waste of your best guys. Yeah,
in my opinion. And so yeah, I think there are
too many rules. We have a six man rotation, we
have a starting pitchers can only go to ninety five pitches,
and we have a relief pitchers that are being babied
(17:17):
to the degree that they've thrown fewer innings than any
other relief core in all of Major League Baseball. Pick
one of those three dan that you got to loosen
up on, because if you keep them all then it's
almost impossible to navigate your way through twenty seven outs.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah. Well, and especially if you're going to six man rotation.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
The whole point was that these starters are supposed to
go longer, and because you got to find a way
to help the bullpen, and you can't keep their pitch
count and then also keep all those rules and expect
that you're gonna get through it successfully.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I shudder to think what's going to happen to this
team if a starting pitcher really has a bad outing
like an inning and two thirds and we've got to chew.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Up seven and a third, is that going to throw
us off for a month?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's
going to happen. And I mean, your starting pitchers.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Have been very good to great, Your relief has been
very good to great at times, and yet we are
having the damnedest time. I mean, we're in June and
we can't figure out where to find twenty seven outs
from our pitching staff. All of them are pitching pretty
well this year, and we're having this much trouble from
night to night. Why on earth are we putting Brash
(18:29):
and Spire in in the middle of innings to bail
other people out and then not maximizing the few precious
outs you're allowing them to give us every night.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It's a very good question.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't get it. I don't get it, and it
was explained to me like it's very easy to understand. Well,
then I'm stupid because I don't understand why they're doing
it this way, because my way makes a whole hell
of a.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Lot more sense, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
All right, coming, I'm next on the radio show The
West Best World has gotten crazy here as of late,
and we'll tap into our Seahawks one series to describe
some of it for you. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Just quickly, before you think I'm just mister hindsight here,
I just wanted to. I write notes.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
During the course of the Mariners game, and I put them.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Perfect usage of Chris Well, that's what I put. Oh,
that's why I put first first. Yeah, that was after
the sixth and.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Then I wrote, but then he brings them out for
the seventh separate note. Then then I put Brash is
going to have to inherit traffic. So I was already
predicting that he was going to get into trouble, and
then I put and now you only use brash for
two outs, and then finally Dan's pen is just bewildering.
(20:02):
Then a tweet, and then a segment on the show today.
So that's how that chronology works.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I do like that when it's like just watching the
way it evolves.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I'm just saying like, this isn't just me every day.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm gonna wait till the result occurs, and then I'm
going to react to it. I'm taking you step by
step what I went through last night, Like nice outing, Chriswell,
perfect bounce back man, Now get him out of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And then he comes back and says like what.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, we have Brushian Bizardo and we have to have
munos available again. So I'm just telling you it's not
just me, you know, waiting till the result to have
a reaction. All right, I'm playing right there along, you know,
right there.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right and along exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'm I'm step for step second or second moment you're sidecar.
All right, let's talk some football. We're gonna talks more
football at eight o'clock. Our Seahawks one series continues today
with Robert Turbin with find out what player he's gonna
want to break down for one entire interview and you
know him biased, Robert Turbin. That's how what he's known as,
probably gonna take a running back.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I'd be shocked if he was like, you know what,
I'm gonna break down. Leonard Williams, Oh love big cats.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Sometimes Hugh doesn't. Sometimes Hugh was like, don't tight cast me.
I don't want to do a quarterback every time. I
want to do even worry or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The case may be. But we'll find out from Robert
Turbin today. At eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yesterday on our Seahawks one series, we had Jackson Bevins
on from Cigar Thoughts. A lot of people low do
you follow Jackson? And we talked about Gray's abel. That
was his choice of Seahawks players to break down in
our Seahawks one series, and I asked him at one point,
all right, since we're not complaining as much about the
offensive line these days as Seahawk fans have and seay
(21:50):
Haawk talk show hosts have for the last decade, this
offseason they've been given a reprieve, and in large part
thanks to Gray's Abel and his immediate impact on the
football team this past year and then winning a Super Bowl.
But the Rams defensive line got a whole lot better
when they added Miles Garrett, and they're still talk out
there about them adding Aaron Donald. So I asked Jackson
(22:13):
Bevans how he feels Zabel and company are going to
hold up against the rams potentially devastating defensive line.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I mean, I guess as well as you can about
any other line holding up against that group, like the
Rams are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
But they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
to Seattle the way that they're loading up. I agree,
(22:43):
and and so you know, I think that if the
Rams win the NFC Championship game last year, they do
not make that trade. So, I mean, look, they're going
to have some hilarious games the Rams this year where
it's just it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in
the trenches, just and that's gonna happen against Seattle too.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's it would be silly.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
To think otherwise that if Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden
Fisk is healthy, if Aaron Donald is out there and
we all know how still been training, Yeah, they're gonna
have some absolutely comical dominant performances. I wish I could say, oh, well,
you know, Brian Flurry has this drawn up scheme for handling. Look,
(23:28):
there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There
is just isn't. Yeah, and you know, he's the most
dominant player I've seen on that side of the football
since Aaron Donald. And if we're gonna throw even eighty
percent of what Aaron Donald was back onto that roster,
nobody's nobody's got the guys for that. You're gonna have
(23:50):
to out scheme it, and you're gonna have to find
a way on defense to put the clamps on the
Rams in ways that they really couldn't do even in
those two games that they won last year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, I agree with that, And I would also say, Man, I.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Am one that thinks Aaron Donald could come back and
be the maybe not the same player, but I don't
think they're just special guys in the world.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I wouldn't imagine a huge drop off or he wouldn't
come back exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't think he comes back and the game
has passed him by. I think power ages better than speed.
I mean, we've watched head coaches go away for two
years in the game passed him by. But I don't
think somebody that was that great and kept himself in
that great a shape, even if it wasn't football shape.
So I would be yeah. I mean, it's one thing
(24:38):
to take on Miles Garrett and feel like, oh, we're fine.
That's adding an awful lot if he decides to come back.
So I would use your offseason wish Seahawks wish on
Aaron Donald not returning to the Los Angeles Rams. A
couple of other notes out of Westworld. Jacoby Brissett has
(24:58):
decided to show up for man mini camp for the
Arizona Cardinals. So even though he wants more money, maybe
he sees the writing on the wall that he's not
going to get it. But I mean, he is not
going to get fined. I'll say that he's showing up
for mandatory mini camp. They have him slated to be
the starting quarterback. But I think it's pretty clear you
want to fight us for thirty thirty five forty million dollars. Nah,
(25:21):
that's just not where we're at, Bud. So you know
I would advise against it. What I would do if
I were Jacoby Brissett, used the opportunity to be a
starting quarterback for as long as you can make it
impossible for Carson Beck to take your job away from
you and then hit the free agent market as you've proven,
You've given this one last chance to prove I should
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be a starting quarterback in the National Football League because
you haven't done it yet.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Well, I was going to say, that's the thing is that, yeah,
you haven't proven anything or that you've earned that amount
of money at all, and so to be holding out
like you've done something spectacular to warrant it seems silly.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well, I think he's saying, well, Sam Donald, he wasn't
a proven starter and they gave him this much money.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Sam Darnold did a lot more than you did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, he's not a bad quarterback, no, but he's
not worthy of that, and he's just not in a
position of leverage right now with a franchise that really
isn't prioritizing winning right now. They are prioritizing rebuilding to
get a younger team, a cheaper team that they can
start spending wildly on free agency and stock up on
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draft picks the next couple of years. So they're not
going to worry about whether or not the veteran quarterback
who's never proven himself as a starter, it feels like
he's being paid market value. That's I think probably the
last thing on their minds. But you never know, they're
pretty stupid, all right. Coming up next, ABC's of the
Ms for you. I know it's at an odd time,
but we got to squeeze it in. There's just so
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much to discuss today on Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM, But right now your ABC's of the ms
are daily Mariners segment. The alphabet takes us through a
few different Mariner topics and we never know where it's
going to lead us. We left off of the letter M,
and I think the alphabet has no choice. Simm It's
for munos. Has to be discussed. It was our big
topic on yesterday's radio program and last night kind of
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some back and forth on X with a few Mariner fans,
and one of the suggestions was that maybe, you know,
maybe he doesn't have to exclusively be in the closure role.
And I had said this yesterday that I'm open to
that right now, and I'm I'm starting to feel like
I'm coming across as a Munos apologist.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's not what I'm and that's not my ambition here.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But I do believe that the problem with Munos is
that Dan is using him as only a save guy,
not even a closer. We only put him in the
game if it's a save or if we're tied in
the ninth. That's the only time that we use Andre's Munos.
And I went through some numbers yesterday suggesting, not just suggesting,
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but pretty much mapping out as clear as a bell,
that when Munos is used in shorter rest, he's more effective.
I mean, the difference is like nine runs per nine
innings effect.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, if he pitches every other day, was his best.
That's what you showed, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Was his best.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
That's when he doesn't give up a run. Yeah, And
he's better on no day's rest than he is three
days or more.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And even on two he's better on no day's rest
than two days rest.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Now, I'm not saying to use him every day or
even every other day, because that you know, those appearances
start to rack up. But there's no reason he couldn't
get sixty five to seventy appearances this year.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think he needs to be used.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
More often, and so maybe that does lend itself to
he's not just our only closer.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Maybe we do.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Have to use him in situations just so he could
get more usage where a save's not on the line.
And if the next night because you used Munos and
he's not available, I have no worries at all about
for Rare or Brash or Spire saving a game for us.
And this isn't like landing on the moon. They're very
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capable of getting the last three outs of the game.
But ideally, I think Munos should be our closer, and
I think when he's on his game, he is our
most devastating reliever, and I think he's proven that as
an elite closer the last couple of years. And then
I got this pushback and it's only one person. I
shouldn't give light to this because I said, when Munnos
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gets back on his a game, he's back in the role.
And he said, I think you need to brace yourself
for him never getting back on his A game.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
For what What was the basis for that?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Why?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
What are you saying that says that he couldn't have
the potential for getting back on his A game. He's
not throwing any He's throwing just as hard. His slider
is still unhittable when it's right. He's dominating right handers,
and he's more effective. As I said, he's perfectly fine
when he's not shelved for five days at a time
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and then ask to knock the dust off and come
in and close out again. There's nothing physically wrong with
Andres Munos. I don't even think there's anything psychologically wrong
with Andres Munos. Andres Munos is a little bit off
his game, and that just is a matter of getting
him back into rhythm. And the best way to get
him back into rhythm is to have him pitch more,
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even if a saves not on the line, and even
if it means somebody else has to save a game
in the process. I'm perfectly okay with that. But we
need Andres Munos to be good. We certainly want Andre's
Munos to be Andres Munos. Maybe we don't need it,
but we absolutely, man, what a benefit it would be
if he is.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yeah, absolutely would be a benefit.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Uh and is for nana boy.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
My grandma Powell was one of the sweetest people you've
ever met Southerner Okay, Yeah, and she only got what
mad at me one time in my life. And that's
when I had the audacity as a child to take
an O well what in an oreo cookie? Because they
were never going to buy in top name brand with
pretty cheap I didn't even think it was that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It was like lydros.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Oh, it was like a cheap a knockoff of another knockoff,
and you could.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Drink it or eat it while you drink warm water.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, they were like you know, boreos or something like that.
They weren't the good thing, but they were sort of.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
In the family.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
And one time I ate out the icing and I
left the cookie on the counter and she lost her
mind on me. She went from the nicest person I
ever met to like terrifying. And it reminded me. I
was reminded of that last night when Emerson Hancock went
off on pareda last night like then, Southerner sweetest sugar
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pie and Parada goes out there and whatever Parada was doing,
Emerson did not like it, and.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He wore his ass out.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
And I'm like Nana at home.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Parada must have eaten the icing out of the Oreo.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Pareda. You can't do that, Johnny. You can't eat the
icing out of a boreo. And that's the only thing
I could think of, because what on earth could make
the world's nicest human get that angry with his catcher
last night? But he gave him a piece of his mind,
and to parade his credit, he took it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You know, he didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
You could see it in his face. He took it,
put his ear piece back in and went back behind
the plate. And then later had the challenge of.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Our life to yeah, and then just won the day,
all right, Seahawks one series.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRF
Tian run at the play with one out of the
eighth indep centerfield. Julio in front of the warning track
Ballpark will hold it, Holiday comes home play it.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Second tripped up and out that second base. The run
at home counts. Bliss drops the anchor on top of
a second.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Alexander is out. The tag got down before the run crosses.
It very well could have. I mean, how many close
calls have there been in this game? So you say,
sync that up back in New York and.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Your cold here, let's find out after review the call
is overturn no run.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Fo Oh my gosh, what a turn. Julio with a
hose preto much to explain on that play. Let's just
put it this way. Mariners win six to three last night.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The Challenge their friend last night, even though they are terrible.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
At it, one of the best in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Now, yeah, historically and traditionally awful in the long history
of the Challenges, they are bad, but last night kind
of saved. They're baking a couple of times, and they
win a wild game in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Final score was six to three.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
They moved to thirty five and thirty two on the
season thanks to Mariners TV Aaron and Ryan Rowland Smith.
They're on the call, MS and Orioles. Back at it today.
First pitch at three thirty five. They're throwing a left hander.
I'm warning you now. Trevor Rodgers gets the start for
Baltimore and the Mariners will counter with Logan Gilbert. Other
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The Spurs shocked New York one fifteen to one eleven.
I know how stunning it is for a better team
to beat the other one, but the Spurs do win
one fifteen to one eleven, and I really don't know
if they're the better team. The Knicks are playing great
team basketball and have been throughout this postseason, but they're
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the most more talented team, without question. That's what we
talked about for five frickin months for goodness sake, in
evaluating the NBA's best teams out there. So I don't
think too many people should be surprised that the Spurs
actually pulled out a victory in the NBA Finals, whether
it was at Raucus Madison Square Garden or not. So
the Spurs are back in the series, They're down two
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games to one. Game three will be played tomorrow night.
Tonight game four of the Stanley Cup Final in Las Vegas,
where the Golden Knights are up on Carolina.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
By a two to one lead.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And they are describing this and when I say they,
a lot of hockey fans, a lot of hockey people
are describing this as one of the best, most competitive
Stanley Cup Finals we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's how good the game action has been to.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
This, I mean, especially after the game on Saturday. My goodness.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Speaking of Las Vegas, the Ace has beat the Storm
last night one one oh one to ninety one. And
also in Las Vegas tonight. I don't know if you
saw this, but it finished late. The Las Vegas A's
played their first game in Las Vegas. And if you
thought Sacramento was a launching pad, fifteen to fourteen last night,
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oh wow. So they played in a minor league park.
So Sacramento is a minor league park and people have
complained that it is too hit her friendly. Well, Las
Vegas is even more famously hit her friendly. But they're
going to play a few games there until they get
the big arena built. So they played their last night
against the Milwaukee Brewers' final score fifteen. Oh my good,
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fourteen in the game Mariners. Also, speaking of baseball, JP
to the il Colt Emerson did not play last night
because of a back injury he suffered in pregame warmups.
And speaking of injuries, cal Raley is going to be
in Tacoma tonight catching for the Rainiers, So that's going
(04:00):
to be fun. We'll see if they'll still be there
on Friday when I get to call the game with
Riley pay Who knows. I don't think he's gonna need
as long a ramp up as what some are reporting.
But if he is playing there Friday, fun.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, fun for you to get to see him. Obviously.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yeah, I hope he's been back with the big club,
But I mean, why not give the Tacoma fans a
little bit more?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah? Why not? Why not?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Also, College World Series, the Elite eight is now set
for Omaha that will begin on Friday. Seahawks mandatory mini
camp starts today, and of course World Cup week is
here in Seattle two days from now, two sleeps from now,
the first game of the World Cup season, and we
will talk about that a little bit later on in
the show.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Even though I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
How we're gonna find a way. Yeah, Chuck, we're gonna
find a way.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And it's by it's by confessing ignorance. It's by asking
for help. They say that all the time. If you
need help, ask for help.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for help.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
We're gonna ask for stupid questions, right, and then you
ask a question and they tell you stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So we're going to ask for help a little bit
later on in the show on how we should cover
the World Cup for you. So it's Chuck Palell, that's
Ashley Ryan with you here on this Tuesday. Still no
Bucky Jacobson on the radio program. And man, he would
have been having a ball the last couple of months
with all of these juicy Mariner topics that we've had.
(05:22):
One thing he would not have enjoyed was me continuously
questioning Dan Wilson's pitching changes. But here we are, Yeah, Loves,
and we're gonna do it again today. I know I
just talked about bullpen yesterday, but we're gonna go back
at it today and from this standpoint, and I'm going
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to start off by kind of complimenting.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Dan to a degree, defending Dan to a degree.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, I know that's going to feel like it's out
of left field based off of what I think you're
braced for coming up and what you've been listening from
me from me the last few.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
But I will at least say this, I mean, the
end of the day, we're looking for positive results, right
and we have a bullpen that is third in the
American League and fourth in Major League Baseball in tm
e RA. Okay, we are third in the American League,
so four third in the American League, but we're only
point oh three, you know, back of first place. The boss,
(06:26):
I think we got passed last night. I think we
were first place until we gave up a couple runs
last night. So at the three point one ad RA
out of our bullpen, that's good. We are also best
in the American League and fewest innings pitched by our
bullpen number one. So you know, even though I had
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a lot of problems, a lot of you listening have
had a lot of problems with the way that Dan
uses his bullpen.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Got a lot of problems with you people.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I mean, we have to acknowledge before we start criticizing
that whatever he's doing, no matter how strange at times
it seems to some of us, and I'm absolutely bewildered
at this point by what he's doing. That they are
getting results. And maybe those good positive results are because
of how careful they're being with usage, and because how
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they're trying to steal outs here and steal outs there,
and because Matt Brash is not used on back to
back days and sometimes not back to back weeks. So
whatever their method is, and I might call it madness,
they are getting results out of their bullpen use. I
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don't quite see it that way. I think you've got
a really good bullpen assembled here, maybe a great one,
and if you would just use it a little bit smarter,
I don't think that you would be having all of
this consternation day to day, week to week that you
seem to be having with how to use guys and
win to use them.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I think the biggest problem actually is all the
walls that they put up. You know, I had a
little back and forth with Brady Farcas he does that
Refuse to Lose podcast, and he does a good job
and he's a huge baseball fan and I respect him
for all of that. And I'm not using him to
point him out, point this out. I'm just in case
he's listening. I wanted to at least use his argument
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because he's he was defending on social media last night
Dan's usage of Cooper Criswell for two innings when I
spent a little bit time bashing that, and so I
just want to use what he said in his his tweet.
He was talking about what restrictions that they are under
and does he really, does Dan really have any more
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other option than to go with Cooper Criswell for a
second straight inning. Well, let's talk about those restrictions, because
Number one is we've decided to go to a six
man rotation. We've you know, put the piggyback on the
back burner, on the piggyback burner, and that immediately forces
us to be down a relief pitcher. I don't think
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we should be in a six man rotation right now,
but this is the decision that the organization has made,
so we're already down a relief pitcher. Second wall that
we've put up and this is this is why it's
not as simple to navigate for Dan as what I
think it should be. Starting pitchers, if you're going to
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go to a six man rotation, you kind of have
to ask them to.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Go a little deeper.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, and yet we've kept in place this eighty five
to ninety five pitches window, where if you finish an
inning and you're between eighty five and ninety five pitches, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Not gonna go out for another inning. Right, So that's.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Another like like Hancock yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah, that's another obstacle that they've put in place. I mean,
Emerson wasn't on his a game yesterday, but one run
in five innings. He wasn't bad, and he was sitting
at ninety two pitches, and we already know we're down
a guy in the bullpen, and we already know about
some of these other obstacles I'm going to go through.
You know, maybe it's pushing Emerson into the sixth inning
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and then having Chriswell, who we have faith to go
more than one inning, even though we don't with brash
Spire or Munnos.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
We pushed Criswell.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Now he could bail him out if he gets in trouble,
but instead Emerson's at ninety two pitches. We got to
take him out, so they take him out, So there's
another barrier that we have to confront. Then we have
already decided, apparently before the game that Spire can't pitch
because he's gone back to back outings. And I understand that.
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I respect that. I don't think he should have pitched last.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Night, Farrer. We also.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Brady Brady applied it to Ferrer, even though at one
point he was loosening up. I don't know if we
have to apply it to Farrare. I think the dude's
a horse.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he cares.
How many times in the Roly pitches, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I mean, maybe that's playing with fire on my part.
But okay, we're out. We're down Forrare too, because he
went back to back day. So now we're down to
five guys. Now we have five relief pitchers that we
got to use, and we just took out our starting
pitcher in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And then, according to the defense.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Of Dan Wilson, you can't trust mun Yokes after Sunday. Okay,
so we're down to four guys, and then you can't
trust Alex Hoppey with only a four run lead. Okay, well,
now we're down to three guys, we got three innings,
we got three relief pitchers apparently we can use, and
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we have twelve outs to get and that's if we
stay in regulation, right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And so Chriswell trot's out in.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The sixth and he just pitched the day before two
and he has a clean sixth inning now two me,
it seemed obvious Criswell comes out because he just pitched
the day before. Rather than have him pitch another new inning,
you got a sixth inning out of him. I wasn't
even expecting him to pitch last night. Yeah, especially with
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a lead. And Matt Brash has not pitched in a week.
He's pitched one time in a week, one time in
seven days. This is another restriction that we've placed on
ourselves here. And so we bring in Matt Brash in
the seventh to bail out Cooper Criswell, who, in my opinion,
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you got what you needed out of him, and you
got a chance to let him feel good about that.
He got back on track. And then you go to
a Bizardo or a Brash for the seventh with a
clean inning. I mean, is it against the rules to
put Matt Brash in a game without.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Traffic on it?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I'm going to tell you something about pitchers, and I
don't care what level it is. They don't like cleaning
up other people's messes. And this is the funny part
about it, they also don't like other people cleaning up
their own messes. I mean, how many times have you
watched George Kirby stand on the top of the dugout
until somebody cleans up his second and third with two
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outs because he.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Knew I can get out of this. What are you
taking me out of the game for?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, so you leave every single Practically every time Brash
comes in the game, it's to clean up somebody's mess
And then he had to rush his bullpen session to
get into the game rather than having him ready to
go to start the seventh if that's who you wanted
to go to next in the sequence. And then he
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comes in and he's obviously not warm. Because Matt Brash
has not had control problems this year.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
He was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He was everywhere with his pitches.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
It was so clear he wasn't ready to start pitching
live bullets in a Major League baseball game. And so
now all of a sudden, you're like, oh gosh, and
because of all of our other restrictions, we now only
have one other guy we can go to who's properly
rested and ready for this game. So we stick with Brash.
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He gets bailed out by the Johnny Parade to challenge.
Oh thank goodness, we get out of that inning. But
guess what we did. We saved Matt Brash for last night.
We didn't use him the night before. He's pitched one
time in seven days, and we were saving him for
the Orioles on Monday night. Apparently, apparently that was the plan,
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and we needed twelve outs, and because Brash had to
come in and bail out Kriswell, we only.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Got two outs out of him last night.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Those are precious outs when you are putting up all
these walls, all these obstacles of guys that can't come
in for all these various reasons, and guys that can't
go deeper, and guys that can't pitch on back to
back days. We're putting up all these walls, and now
all of a sudden, though our best reliever available tonight
we use, We rush him into the game to bail
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out somebody who shouldn't have pitched a second inning, and
then that pitcher only gets to use to get burns
up two of the twelve outs that we need. And
because we can't possibly put him back into the next inning,
now we've lost that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Now we've got to get through the night with Bizardo.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And it turns out Munyos actually was available last night,
and so was Freer, And yet we dance our way
around all these obstacles, and I just think it's too
much work.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Like I think you were just so over complicating this.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Pitchers want to pitch with a clean inning. Let them
pitch with a clean inning.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Why on earth did Brass just not start the seventh
and Bizardo not just start the eighth and Muno's does
to start the ninth if you knew that he was
available rather then we're going to steal some outs from
Criswell on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Blows up in our face.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, can we steal some more outs with Criswell on Monday?
I mean, we could let him go hit the showers
with a clean inning and feel good about himself. But
let's try to squeeze a couple more outs out of him,
and if he can't, we'll use Brash to bail him out,
even though that's not effective use of brash, right, And
so to me, it's just I mean, if you're going
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to put up all of these rules in all of
these walls, you're not maximizing the outs that you need
from your best relievers. We do the same thing with Spire.
I got news for you. Spire is our best dude
right now. And the idea of using him in case
somebody else gets in trouble and having him to come
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in the middle of the inning and he might only
need one out to get out of that inning.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And then you're not going to put him in the back.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, that's just a horrible waste of your best guys. Yeah,
in my opinion. And so yeah, I think there are
too many rules. We have a six man rotation, we
have a starting pitchers can only go to ninety five pitches,
and we have a relief pitchers that are being babied
(17:17):
to the degree that they've thrown fewer innings than any
other relief core in all of Major League Baseball. Pick
one of those three dan that you got to loosen
up on, because if you keep them all then it's
almost impossible to navigate your way through twenty seven outs.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah. Well, and especially if you're going to six man rotation.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
The whole point was that these starters are supposed to
go longer, and because you got to find a way
to help the bullpen, and you can't keep their pitch
count and then also keep all those rules and expect
that you're gonna get through it successfully.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I shudder to think what's going to happen to this
team if a starting pitcher really has a bad outing
like an inning and two thirds and we've got to chew.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Up seven and a third, is that going to throw
us off for a month?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's
going to happen. And I mean, your starting pitchers.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Have been very good to great, Your relief has been
very good to great at times, and yet we are
having the damnedest time. I mean, we're in June and
we can't figure out where to find twenty seven outs
from our pitching staff. All of them are pitching pretty
well this year, and we're having this much trouble from
night to night. Why on earth are we putting Brash
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and Spire in in the middle of innings to bail
other people out and then not maximizing the few precious
outs you're allowing them to give us every night.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It's a very good question.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't get it. I don't get it, and it
was explained to me like it's very easy to understand. Well,
then I'm stupid because I don't understand why they're doing
it this way, because my way makes a whole hell
of a.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Lot more sense, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
All right, coming, I'm next on the radio show The
West Best World has gotten crazy here as of late,
and we'll tap into our Seahawks one series to describe
some of it for you. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Just quickly, before you think I'm just mister hindsight here,
I just wanted to. I write notes.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
During the course of the Mariners game, and I put them.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Perfect usage of Chris Well, that's what I put. Oh,
that's why I put first first. Yeah, that was after
the sixth and.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Then I wrote, but then he brings them out for
the seventh separate note. Then then I put Brash is
going to have to inherit traffic. So I was already
predicting that he was going to get into trouble, and
then I put and now you only use brash for
two outs, and then finally Dan's pen is just bewildering.
(20:02):
Then a tweet, and then a segment on the show today.
So that's how that chronology works.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I do like that when it's like just watching the
way it evolves.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I'm just saying like, this isn't just me every day.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm gonna wait till the result occurs, and then I'm
going to react to it. I'm taking you step by
step what I went through last night, Like nice outing, Chriswell,
perfect bounce back man, Now get him out of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And then he comes back and says like what.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, we have Brushian Bizardo and we have to have
munos available again. So I'm just telling you it's not
just me, you know, waiting till the result to have
a reaction. All right, I'm playing right there along, you know,
right there.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right and along exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'm I'm step for step second or second moment you're sidecar.
All right, let's talk some football. We're gonna talks more
football at eight o'clock. Our Seahawks one series continues today
with Robert Turbin with find out what player he's gonna
want to break down for one entire interview and you
know him biased, Robert Turbin. That's how what he's known as,
probably gonna take a running back.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I'd be shocked if he was like, you know what,
I'm gonna break down. Leonard Williams, Oh love big cats.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Sometimes Hugh doesn't. Sometimes Hugh was like, don't tight cast me.
I don't want to do a quarterback every time. I
want to do even worry or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The case may be. But we'll find out from Robert
Turbin today. At eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yesterday on our Seahawks one series, we had Jackson Bevins
on from Cigar Thoughts. A lot of people low do
you follow Jackson? And we talked about Gray's abel. That
was his choice of Seahawks players to break down in
our Seahawks one series, and I asked him at one point,
all right, since we're not complaining as much about the
offensive line these days as Seahawk fans have and seay
(21:50):
Haawk talk show hosts have for the last decade, this
offseason they've been given a reprieve, and in large part
thanks to Gray's Abel and his immediate impact on the
football team this past year and then winning a Super Bowl.
But the Rams defensive line got a whole lot better
when they added Miles Garrett, and they're still talk out
there about them adding Aaron Donald. So I asked Jackson
(22:13):
Bevans how he feels Zabel and company are going to
hold up against the rams potentially devastating defensive line.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I mean, I guess as well as you can about
any other line holding up against that group, like the
Rams are putting together the Avengers on on the other side,
But they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
to Seattle the way that they're loading up. I agree,
(22:43):
and and so you know, I think that if the
Rams win the NFC Championship game last year, they do
not make that trade. So, I mean, look, they're going
to have some hilarious games the Rams this year where
it's just it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in
the trenches, just and that's gonna happen against Seattle too.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's it would be silly.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
To think otherwise that if Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden
Fisk is healthy, if Aaron Donald is out there and
we all know how still been training, Yeah, they're gonna
have some absolutely comical dominant performances. I wish I could say, oh, well,
you know, Brian Flurry has this drawn up scheme for handling. Look,
(23:28):
there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There
is just isn't. Yeah, and you know, he's the most
dominant player I've seen on that side of the football
since Aaron Donald. And if we're gonna throw even eighty
percent of what Aaron Donald was back onto that roster,
nobody's nobody's got the guys for that. You're gonna have
(23:50):
to out scheme it, and you're gonna have to find
a way on defense to put the clamps on the
Rams in ways that they really couldn't do even in
those two games that they won last year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, I agree with that, And I would also say, Man, I.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Am one that thinks Aaron Donald could come back and
be the maybe not the same player, but I don't
think they're just special guys in the world.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I wouldn't imagine a huge drop off or he wouldn't
come back exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't think he comes back and the game
has passed him by. I think power ages better than speed.
I mean, we've watched head coaches go away for two
years in the game passed him by. But I don't
think somebody that was that great and kept himself in
that great a shape, even if it wasn't football shape.
So I would be yeah. I mean, it's one thing
(24:38):
to take on Miles Garrett and feel like, oh, we're fine.
That's adding an awful lot if he decides to come back.
So I would use your offseason wish Seahawks wish on
Aaron Donald not returning to the Los Angeles Rams. A
couple of other notes out of Westworld. Jacoby Brissett has
(24:58):
decided to show up for man mini camp for the
Arizona Cardinals. So even though he wants more money, maybe
he sees the writing on the wall that he's not
going to get it. But I mean, he is not
going to get fined. I'll say that he's showing up
for mandatory mini camp. They have him slated to be
the starting quarterback. But I think it's pretty clear you
want to fight us for thirty thirty five forty million dollars. Nah,
(25:21):
that's just not where we're at, Bud. So you know
I would advise against it. What I would do if
I were Jacoby Brissett, used the opportunity to be a
starting quarterback for as long as you can make it
impossible for Carson Beck to take your job away from
you and then hit the free agent market as you've proven,
You've given this one last chance to prove I should
(25:42):
be a starting quarterback in the National Football League because
you haven't done it yet.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Well, I was going to say, that's the thing is that, yeah,
you haven't proven anything or that you've earned that amount
of money at all, and so to be holding out
like you've done something spectacular to warrant it seems silly.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well, I think he's saying, well, Sam Donald, he wasn't
a proven starter and they gave him this much money.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Sam Darnold did a lot more than you did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, he's not a bad quarterback, no, but he's
not worthy of that, and he's just not in a
position of leverage right now with a franchise that really
isn't prioritizing winning right now. They are prioritizing rebuilding to
get a younger team, a cheaper team that they can
start spending wildly on free agency and stock up on
(26:27):
draft picks the next couple of years. So they're not
going to worry about whether or not the veteran quarterback
who's never proven himself as a starter, it feels like
he's being paid market value. That's I think probably the
last thing on their minds. But you never know, they're
pretty stupid, all right. Coming up next, ABC's of the
Ms for you. I know it's at an odd time,
but we got to squeeze it in. There's just so
(26:47):
much to discuss today on Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM, But right now your ABC's of the ms
are daily Mariners segment. The alphabet takes us through a
few different Mariner topics and we never know where it's
going to lead us. We left off of the letter M,
and I think the alphabet has no choice. Simm It's
for munos. Has to be discussed. It was our big
topic on yesterday's radio program and last night kind of
(27:11):
some back and forth on X with a few Mariner fans,
and one of the suggestions was that maybe, you know,
maybe he doesn't have to exclusively be in the closure role.
And I had said this yesterday that I'm open to
that right now, and I'm I'm starting to feel like
I'm coming across as a Munos apologist.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's not what I'm and that's not my ambition here.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But I do believe that the problem with Munos is
that Dan is using him as only a save guy,
not even a closer. We only put him in the
game if it's a save or if we're tied in
the ninth. That's the only time that we use Andre's Munos.
And I went through some numbers yesterday suggesting, not just suggesting,
(27:57):
but pretty much mapping out as clear as a bell,
that when Munos is used in shorter rest, he's more effective.
I mean, the difference is like nine runs per nine
innings effect.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, if he pitches every other day, was his best.
That's what you showed, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Was his best.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
That's when he doesn't give up a run. Yeah, And
he's better on no day's rest than he is three
days or more.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And even on two he's better on no day's rest
than two days rest.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Now, I'm not saying to use him every day or
even every other day, because that you know, those appearances
start to rack up. But there's no reason he couldn't
get sixty five to seventy appearances this year.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think he needs to be used.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
More often, and so maybe that does lend itself to
he's not just our only closer.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Maybe we do.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Have to use him in situations just so he could
get more usage where a save's not on the line.
And if the next night because you used Munos and
he's not available, I have no worries at all about
for Rare or Brash or Spire saving a game for us.
And this isn't like landing on the moon. They're very
(29:02):
capable of getting the last three outs of the game.
But ideally, I think Munos should be our closer, and
I think when he's on his game, he is our
most devastating reliever, and I think he's proven that as
an elite closer the last couple of years. And then
I got this pushback and it's only one person. I
shouldn't give light to this because I said, when Munnos
(29:23):
gets back on his a game, he's back in the role.
And he said, I think you need to brace yourself
for him never getting back on his A game.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
For what What was the basis for that?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Why?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
What are you saying that says that he couldn't have
the potential for getting back on his A game. He's
not throwing any He's throwing just as hard. His slider
is still unhittable when it's right. He's dominating right handers,
and he's more effective. As I said, he's perfectly fine
when he's not shelved for five days at a time
(29:56):
and then ask to knock the dust off and come
in and close out again. There's nothing physically wrong with
Andres Munos. I don't even think there's anything psychologically wrong
with Andres Munos. Andres Munos is a little bit off
his game, and that just is a matter of getting
him back into rhythm. And the best way to get
him back into rhythm is to have him pitch more,
(30:18):
even if a saves not on the line, and even
if it means somebody else has to save a game
in the process. I'm perfectly okay with that. But we
need Andres Munos to be good. We certainly want Andre's
Munos to be Andres Munos. Maybe we don't need it,
but we absolutely, man, what a benefit it would be
if he is.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yeah, absolutely would be a benefit.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Uh and is for nana boy.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
My grandma Powell was one of the sweetest people you've
ever met Southerner Okay, Yeah, and she only got what
mad at me one time in my life. And that's
when I had the audacity as a child to take
an O well what in an oreo cookie? Because they
were never going to buy in top name brand with
pretty cheap I didn't even think it was that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It was like lydros.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Oh, it was like a cheap a knockoff of another knockoff,
and you could.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Drink it or eat it while you drink warm water.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, they were like you know, boreos or something like that.
They weren't the good thing, but they were sort of.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
In the family.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
And one time I ate out the icing and I
left the cookie on the counter and she lost her
mind on me. She went from the nicest person I
ever met to like terrifying. And it reminded me. I
was reminded of that last night when Emerson Hancock went
off on pareda last night like then, Southerner sweetest sugar
(31:42):
pie and Parada goes out there and whatever Parada was doing,
Emerson did not like it, and.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He wore his ass out.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
And I'm like Nana at home.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Parada must have eaten the icing out of the Oreo.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Pareda. You can't do that, Johnny. You can't eat the
icing out of a boreo. And that's the only thing
I could think of, because what on earth could make
the world's nicest human get that angry with his catcher
last night? But he gave him a piece of his mind,
and to parade his credit, he took it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You know, he didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
You could see it in his face. He took it,
put his ear piece back in and went back behind
the plate. And then later had the challenge of.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Our life to yeah, and then just won the day,
all right, Seahawks one series.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
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