July 13, 2026 • 38 mins
Clearly the Fire Dan conversation is a big one, so we continue hearing from our listeners on whether or not they think Dan Wilson should remain as the Mariners Manager. :30- ABC’s of the Mariners - A is for Arozarena: Randy Arozarena is our only Mariners allstar, even with all of the roster changes! - B is for Battle: Jose Ferrer vs Junior Caminero - C is for Castillo: There are a lot of rumors about whether or not Luis Castillo is being shopped ahead of the trade deadline. :45- We close out the show with one last thing!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
All right, Chuck and Ashley with you here on this
Monday morning. It's turned into a rather eventful one for
us here this morning. Yeah, in our seven o'clock hour
we talked about our brand new ownership group here with
the football team.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We started our Huskies one series. We got World Cup
Final four starting tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We got Home run Derby tonight, we got All Star
Game tomorrow. But I just dropped in on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I've had enough. I've had enough after Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't think Dan Wilson's the right man to manage
this team and manage the big expectations that go with
this team. I am expecting this team to end up
in the World Series still at this point, and maybe
we don't have the right manager for the job. So
I have said it today officially that I think we
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should make a change at that position, and I've left
it to you, the listening audience, to weigh in several
different ways to do so.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Talkback.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We've got a couple of talkbacks, certainly from our website.
We've got YouTube, so we've got some people communicating via YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We've still got the old.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Text line at four nine four five one, and I say,
you know, we can just use old school radio phone
lines as well two O six two eight six ninety
five ninety five if you want to weigh in as well.
I have been asking for people to defend him because
I want to make sure that that avenue has opened
up to have this conversation, an adult conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This isn't about nanny nanny boo boo, or.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
This isn't about uh, you know, we have to fire
somebody after every single loss.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's not the kind of host that I am.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I take this very seriously when I when I make
these sort of declarations on my radio show, and so
today making it, and I want feedback, and I'd really
like to hear from people that don't want him to go.
I really would, And there are various ways to do that.
But there you go. Anyway you want to communicate with
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us this morning, I guess there are a thousand ways
right now. You can even fly a drone over and.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Drop a card to me. Here you go, All right,
what do you got back there?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
All right, we're going to go back to the talk back.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Okay, Dan Wilson should stay the Seattle Mariners manager for
one reason, and one reason only. Our ownership cares about
profit and that's it. They will keep him in his
position because they can use him like a puppet, and
as long as they keep making money, they don't care
about anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Huh, Well, that's not a great reason for keeping You're
saying they will keep it. It doesn't matter how much
we complain about it.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I know it would be really hard for them.
I know it would be really hard for them to
move on because they do really treasure him as a Mariner. Yes,
but that's kind of the risk that you run when
you do hire a former player who's beloved in the
eyes of not just the fan base, but within your organization,
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and then all of a sudden, you're two years into
the project and you're like, is any good?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Is any good at this? Right? I mean, we felt
we had a World.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Series team put together this year, and we're a game
under five hundred right now. And like I said, I
gave him a C minus a year ago, and that's
making the playoffs and making it by a large margin.
I wasn't that impressed with Dan Wilson the manager a
year ago, so you can imagine where I am here today.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
But yeah, I think there might be some truth to that.
I don't want to just one hundred percent endorse that
sentiment that ownership doesn't care enough about winning.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I do believe they care about winning. I think they
do go about it in a different way than you
would prefer that they do because fans just want their
team to spend money and spend money and spend money.
I've never defended that argument that some Mariner fans have.
I think that they've done a fine job of putting
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together a sustainably good winning product, and I think in
the last year and a half they've made moves, including
Lasher's trading deadline, that are championship caliber moves. And I
think this offseason was a good off season that puts
this team in position to win it all this year.
But do you have the manager that presses the right buttons,
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pulls the right strings that I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Two six says they can't fire him, but they can
move him into a different role within the organization, couldn't they.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't know if he'd accept that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I don't know if he would like that. I think
they could try, certainly, but no, I think there was
a lot that went into hiring him in the first place.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Think about Scott's service was fired in August. I think
it was August twenty second. I remember when Scott's service
was fired. So think about how long into.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
That season.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And then when they made the change we did start
playing better and almost track the thing down. Didn't have
enough time. Number one, there's a good, good example of
don't wait too long, especially with this team. This team's
much better than that team was in twenty twenty four,
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and so number one, don't wait too long to make
that move, give yourself time to get things together. And
then number two, obviously they do take it very seriously.
You know we are we're committed to Scott's service and
that at some point the writing was on the wall.
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I think maybe the writing has just gotten on the
wall sooner than any of them expected to be here.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Let's go back to
the Talkbackay, you.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Guys asked what Dan Wilson does well, and the answer
is he might give excellent foot rubs to Jerry Depoto.
Maybe he makes an excellent CHARCOOTERI board with some spicy
hand and some good cheese selections. Maybe Dan is an
excellent wine pairing with the cheese. But he's not good
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at managing baseball. He's not good at managing the locker room.
He's not good at anything baseball wise.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Wow, I won't go that far, No, but I did
like that. Maybe he's really good at charcooterie boards.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You know, that's a great talent.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Let's not undersell that. That's a really important thing.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
When you bring a charcootery board to a party, everyone
goes flocks towards it, and it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I just saw one yesterday as I was walking by,
and I had swore I wasn't gonna drink yesterday, and
I almost turned around and just started eating off the
guy's board.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So let's not let's not underestimate a good shot.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Here is what I have said about Dan in the past,
and these are things that we aren't privy to. I
think that Dan Wilson really does have the respect of
the players on the team, Scott by the end, and
really for the last few years he had a little
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bit of a divided locker room. I mean, he had
his guys that he loved, Gino and Robbie Ray, and
I mean he had his select group of guys that
he loved, and then there were a bunch of guys
in the middle, and then there were some guys he
didn't like very much, and they didn't like him. I
think almost everybody on this team likes Dan Wilson. And
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as I've said numerous times in the past, like I said,
managers manage personalities, and Dan wins a lot of credit
with the players by his horrible press conferences. He is
never ever, ever addressing anything critical about his own team.
He always has his players' backs, and I would imagine
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that's the way Dan wanted to be treated when he
was a player, and he's never forgotten that. And so
there is an element to Hey, when your players love you,
that can go a long way when they believe, man,
we really got a manager who has our backs and
Dan Wilson. But has it slid too far the other way?
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Are they now taking him for granted? There are way
too many episodes of a lack of focus sometimes it
looks like lack of effort that have occurred. And certainly,
and this is indisputable, we're not playing as well as
our talent suggests that we should be playing, which is
the ultimate judge of a manager. He's not getting the
most out of his talent, there is no question about that.
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And so you do wonder if maybe that softness has
caught up to him, because I do think players need
to get called out. I think human beings need to
get talk show hosts need to get called out. And
sometimes when you get called out and you know, yep,
I'm guilty of that, you got me, you will change
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the pattern of behavior that we can't we have no
knowledge of. None of us can say it because we're
not behind the scenes. Maybe there are several meetings, maybe
he does call them out behind the scenes. Maybe, but
it doesn't feel like his team plays all out for him.
And if you're going to have that approach, if I'm
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gonna point that out as one of the attributes to
you as a baseball man and a baseball manager, then
by god, if you're going to approach it that way,
you better get maximum effort.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They better ball out for you.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And I don't I think we can all agree that's
not happened first half of the season, and it has
been particularly noticeable in the last month.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Has it not, Actually absolutely yes, it has and I
think you bringing up the point about what happened in
Tampa on Saturday and them all sitting there staring out
like they just lost, like their season had just ended,
says a lot because clearly they the team themselves, the
players themselves, they know.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They're not performing. They know that.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I mean, yeah, Dan is not the one on the
field that is hitting and pitching and making defensive plays.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We know that. The players know they're not performing.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
But it seems odd to me that at this point
in the season they're looking so forlorn and lost and
like they don't have any direction.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Something happened after that. Yeah, there's no way that something
didn't happen after that game. And I don't know if
it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Player led, manager led, coaches led, owner led, maybe the owner,
but you're right, it was a group, and Cal is
the one that stands out the most that were looking forlorn.
And look, Cal's wearing a lot of this. Cal has
to wear a lot of weight for this team's disappointing
first half. He was our best player by one thousand
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miles a year ago, and he's been bad this year.
I mean, there's really no other way around it. He's
got a one sixty nine batting average at the All
Star break, with fewer than ten home runs this season. Now,
he's been very good defensively, that's for sure, and the
pitchers swear by him and love him, and he's still
a leader. But you could see it in his face.
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I mean, he wore that loss as heavy as any
regular season loss he's ever suffered. So something happened afterwards.
Something I don't know if it's a closed door meeting.
I don't even know if those things work or not.
But some sort of we gotta wake up moment occurred Saturday.
I don't have any doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Problem is, you win on Sunday and now you have
five days to think about it.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, nice to end the season on
a positive note with a win, but you can't that
one doesn't erase the five losses in six games.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, So there's dissatisfaction, as there should be, and the
entire roster. Now, whether or not they're pointing the fingers
that Dan, that's probably not the case. I hope the
players are pointing the fingers at themselves.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I would hope so too, And I think that a
lot of them. I mean, I think That's why Cal
stood out to you in that moment, because he there's
no way.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Cal's like, oh, I know, my defense is enough. I'm
doing great, right.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I mean, we know how competitive he is and how
driven he is, and how much he wants to perform
for his teammates, for the organization, for the city, for
the fans. I mean, he wants that more than anyone
on that team.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But we are about one hundred games into this thing.
It is no longer a short sample size. Fortunately, the
rest of the American League has cooperated. The American League
West is cooperated, and there's no big giant hill to climb.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Got sixty plus game, sixty five plus games to go
and a game and a half deficit to overcome. If
the season ended today, we're a wild card team. That's
if the season ended today, we're still in the playoffs.
That's how much the American League has cooperated for the
Mariners this year. But obviously we think this is a
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much better team. They cannot get on any extended kind
of role. Just when you think they're in a groove,
they'll show up the next day and then start playing
the worst baseball that you could imagine them playing, and
then that spans an entire road trip like it did
in Florida. And again, yes, it's on the players for
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not playing well. It's on the players, but it is
the manager's job to maximize the talent on his team.
And if the team looks lackluster for over a month,
then there's something wrong with the leadership that they're being given.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I would agree absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
From the four two five they said, I really wanted
Dan to work, but it's become very obvious that he
needs to go.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The team has been broken all season.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I'm sick of seeing lifeless games, dumb errors, little league mistakes.
The fact that they're under five hundred at the All
Star break is completely unacceptable, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I will say this too, And I think this
is where thing. When a team's failing and not playing well,
it automatically looks like they don't have any energy. I mean,
when you're not excited or excitable, right, it automatically looks
like you're you don't care. Yeah, and it probably is
that you care a little bit too much and you're
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almost depressed by how poorly you're playing individually and how
you're wanting somebody else to pick you up and then
they're incapable of doing it. So I do believe that
some of that that a lot of people are pointing
out about, like they don't even try hard, they don't play,
or they don't care. That couldn't be further from the truth, right,
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They care, they want, they have desire, they want to win,
They want to win for you, they want to win
for each other. They've gotten close. There's no way they
want to backslide from where they were at the end
of last season.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They do care, they do.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Want this, but they clearly have not gotten to the
point where they're playing well collectively for stretches of time,
and I think that it has weighed on them. And
so that's to me, it's a lot less about do
they care, and it's a lot more about are they focused?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And I was asked.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
About this from Dick and Hugh the other day. And
if this is just one time Josh Naylor bobbling the
ball and not getting it to call Emerson on time
to turn the double play, and then you don't think
anything of it, Right, But there is a pattern of
behavior with Josh. I mean, sometimes he looks like he's
more interested in looking cool than making the right play. Obviously,
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Randy a Rose Arena is obsessed with looking cool and
not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
About making the right play at the right time.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And so we've had lackluster decisions on the bass pads,
we've had lackluster decisions in the count we've had all.
You know, it looks it looks like it's a bad effort.
I don't think effort is the problem, but I do
think focus has been the problem, and that, guess sets
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back to what the conversation is about, and it's about
Dan Wilson, and I don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
My team not having focus.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, my team better be ready to play. Not every
day over one hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And sixty two games six months.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're gonna have a stinker or five, but not for
five straight games on the road. I would agree that's unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yeah, from the five on nine, people are out of
their minds if they think the reason the Mariners are
performing the way they are performing is because of the manager.
These are professional athletes that can't put the ball in play,
that makes stupid but base running errors and continually leave
runners stranded on base.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, I don't think they're out of their minds. I
don't think you're the only sane person listening right now.
I mean, I'm all for an argument, and I'm all
for somebody telling me it's on the players. Dan's fine,
that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. But I don't think that
anyone right now on this radio show, or anyone that's
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responded to us, because not by the way, ninety percent
of the people responding are in agreement with my take
this morning and with Ashley's take this morning. I don't
think that you can say that we are out of
our minds for feeling like the manager is not getting
the job done.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We're not crazy for that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I mean, you can perfectly have the opinion Dan's fine,
players just got to play better.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I can live with that. I can live with that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But I also believe that this is a sport that
is all about trying to find out the angle that
gives us an advantage to win that pitch, to win
that at bat, to win that situation, to win that inning,
to win that game, yeah, and to win that season,
to win that series, to win the season. And I
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have just gotten to the point, after watching this for
two years from him where I don't think he gives
you that edge, playing the percentages. I don't think he's
good enough at the few decisions a manager makes today.
And then obviously the motivation required to get the most
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out of your players. Those are the three things, and
I think he's failing at all three of those things. Yeah,
this season, and he doesn't seem to be getting any better.
I don't think he gives you those edges. And that's
why we've come to this Monday morning here on KJR.
This is why I make my declaration. I've been thinking
about it for a while.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, you didn't come about this lately.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Last one though, from the four to two to five, Well,
he did take us the furthest we've ever gone last year. Also,
you love Kevin Sitzer and Perry Hill so much, and
apparently they are the best of the best. Yet that's
where we're really struggling this year. So do you want
to get rid of them too or not?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No? No, I don't. No, I don't think Kevin sites
I don't think I've ever said he's the best of
the best. I do like him, I do like him
a lot, but I don't think I'm blowing up the
entire coaching staff. I said this this is what I
would do this, and this really is unfair to Danny
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Farquhar and to Manny Acta, but I would get rid
of Wilson, Acta and Farquhar and I would replace them
with Alex Korra, Joey Korra, and Jason Veritek. They're all
available right now. They weren't earlier this year. They're all
off there given major league teams. That's what I would do. Yeah,
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those are the changes that I would make. Alex the manager,
Joey's bench coach, and Jason Veritec to fill that void
that for the pitchers and for the catchers that Dan fills.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's that's my recipe. So I don't Again, I didn't
come across this just half assed here today. I gave
given this a lot of thought over the last few months.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
All Right, thank you very much for the feedback. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I don't know we solved anything, but at least we
had a good, nice conversation there about it. Coming up next,
I'm not done with the Mariners. I just want to
talk about things other than Dan. ABC's of the ems.
Come your way on sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm excited to find out, are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Always? That's always good to hear.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And we get started at the beginning of the alphabet
today and this is this works out really well because
A is.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
For a Rose Arena the All Star. He'll be the
only Mariner.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Even with all these changes, we still end up with
just one Mariner on the All Star roster. Maybe something
else about us, I don't know, Maybe something else happens today.
We'll see, but Randy Rose Arena will play the game.
On Tuesday. We'll have no participate participant in the home
run derby here tonight. We sort of dominated the headlines
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with the futures game. I'll say that on Saturday, and
it sounds like we had a good draft. Excuse me, Sunday.
It sounds like we had a good draft on Saturday
as well. A lot of the analysts given pretty good
grades on that front. But let's talk about a Rose Arena.
From this standpoint, I realized that he was the guy firing.
Fan wanted to fire after Saturday's lackluster effort, and it
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did look bad.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It did look really bad.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Can I offer a little bit of defense for him
and just a little bit, because believe me, if you've
been listening to this show at any consistency at all,
you know how much he frustrates the hell out of
me as a player.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yes, I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
About as frustrating a player to have on your roster
as you could have.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We know how good he is, but man, there are
some decisions and there are moments where it just does
not look like he he's invested in team Baseball whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So I've had a mountain of problems with him, and
I had a mountain and I had a problem with
what he did on Saturday, not giving any effort down
the line, and obviously the Rock did as well. I
will just say this, he's coming off a hamstring. I
can promise you he has been given the orders by
coaches and staff. Hey, win in doubt, let it go.
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We don't want you running into walls. We don't want
you sliding into stands, we don't want you jumping.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Let's make sure that that heals first.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
As staph to tell Lenny Dykster that, because he would
just crash face first into walls all the time, Like, hey,
you've turned into a really important player for us. We
needed to see a little less of that going forward.
And so you tell Randy that, does anybody really think
he's going to understand how to play that properly? Do
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you really think that he is on from pitch to
pitch gonna understand what he should go for and what
he shouldn't go for when somebody tells him, hey, let's
just not do anything crazy out there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Maybe have to let a ball go every once in
a while.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And I bet you that was one of those, like, yeah,
there's a lot of obstacles over there, it looks tricky.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I'm just gonna let that one drop. I can's not
going to be fair. It's not gonna be fair.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's going to be a fair ball, and he's going
to get a double out of.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
It, right, And that is true. It's not a fair ball.
It would still but it would still be an out.
And I do think I would expect Randy to understand
what is something he should and shouldn't go after.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give
you an example because last year with him stealing basis,
we had a catcher who was on pace to hit
sixty home runs, right, and he was running us out
of innings with cal at the plate, and they told
him like, hey, we got cal at the plate, like,
we can't be we can't be stealing. In that moment,
He's like, what are you talking about? He didn't understand.
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He didn't understand that we don't want give up the
chance for two run homer from a guy that's hitting
a home run every tenant bats, just to move up
a base with his power, we're gonna hit And Randy
did not understand. He was flum mixed by it and
spent the old season when am I supposed to steal?
What am I not supposed to steal?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't think he is that player.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think he struggles with a lot of that stuff
because I think he spent his entire life being a
showman and really doesn't understand team baseball. I one hundred
percent believe that, and I've been saying it for two years.
And I have a problem with what he did on Saturday, too,
But to me, it goes right in line with the
problems Randy or Rose Arena creates for his teammates all
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the time, and that is he doesn't get it when
somebody says, hey, let's not crash into walls.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Sometimes we got to let one go.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm thinking I bet you he was thinking on that play,
not that I don't care if I don't get to it,
that he thought he was doing it a smart thing.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Letting that drop.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
After all, he was in the lineup the very next day. Yeah,
it's not like they punished him though. They didn't then
send him down on the lineup. They didn't pull him
off the field. He was in the lineup the very
next day. So Castile looked at it like you should
have had that. We all looked at it like you
should have had that. But I'll bet you, I'll bet
you Randy's explanation was, you told me not to crash
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into walls. I thought that was close to the wall.
That felt like to me one I should let go
because you want me to let those go. I'll bet
you that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Well, maybe he just needs a better to be a
better judge then, because yeah, it looked like that was
a pretty routine thing.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't disagree with that. I understand why people were angry.
It's like I said, I'm not defending him, I'm just
providing maybe a different. That's fair perspective on it. B
as for battle, with all of the times in the
last five days that we've wondered, do these guys really
care about this? I would like to point out Jose
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at bat against Junior Camonaro yesterday, because that game was
still in doubt, they had two guys on base.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Farrer was asked to go. He gads more than an inning.
He had to go a and a third.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh my gosh, I'm with Emerson leaving the game, and
so he was really like you could tell he was like.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Trying to struggle to get through it. And when you're
trying to struggle to get through that inning.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And you have to face the hottest power hitter in
the sport right now, who could easily erase all the
goodwill that you've done offensively to that point in the game,
and he's reaching back throwing one a one. I mean,
he's throwing the kitchen sink, and Camonaro just keeps fouling
him off and fouling him off and fouling him off
and staying alive, and you know, he's just waiting for
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that one mistake that he's gonna drive into the seats
and the more he gets the look at Ferrara's pitches,
the more he's gonna feel good about getting that pitch.
And farrer just battled and battled and won the battle,
got him on a called third strike. I thought that
was awesome baseball right there, awesome theater. And so for
all of the finger pointing and this team doesn't care,
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know this, Jose Ferrer cared. He cares in that moment,
and that was one hell of a battle in it.
You know, he loses that battle, and maybe we don't
win a game the entire road track. Yeah, maybe that
game goes in a completely different direction. So I wanted
to give him some credit there. See us for Castillo.
A lot of rumors right now about Luis Castillo and
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whether or not he's the if he's being shopped here
at the trading deadline. I said this Friday, talked about this.
He's going to be really difficult to trade. He's thirty
three years old, he's got a five ERA, and he
makes twenty four million dollars a year, and he makes
another twenty four again next year. So he's not going
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to be easy to trade.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And so.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
If you don't want to take my word for it.
Just this morning, CBS Sports reported the disappointing Mariners their words,
not mine, are still trying to find their footing in
the lackluster Al West, and now this they may be
looking to trade from their rotation depth, specifically Luis Castillo,
the thirty three year old uh is ode more than
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twenty four million dollars. Blah blah blah. I just told
you all that stuff Castillo. In other words, Castillo probably
isn't going to net much of a return on the market.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's the point.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Like, if you were able to trade him, I went
through some scenarios last Friday. You're going to be saying
you're gonna pull like an NBA trade. You're gonna go
to the Giants and say, you take this contract and
we'll take one of you. We'll take a contract that's
even worse to make us a little bit better, like
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a Matt Chapman type. But if you're just trading him
up at the deadline, you're gonna get nothing in return.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, you're gonna trade him, You're gonna move. You're gonna
have to trade him as a seller to a buyer,
somebody that wants to be able to win this year
and maybe a veteran starting pitcher short also somebody that
has a huge payroll as well. So that's gonna limit
your market there. I suppose that the other option here,
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and this is what I thought about just this morning,
is maybe it's not Luis Castillo.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Maybe it is one of the five guys, the five
younger guys, And maybe when we're talking about the Mariners
are interested in slipping a starter for a back of
the bullpen reliever. Nobody feels good, right, There's no way
I'm gonna trade George Kirby for a bullpen piece, unless
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would you do it for Mason Miller? Would you do
it for the game's best closer, the unhittable young Mason Miller,
who's under contract for a few more years. Would you
move one of your five younger starting pitchers? Maybe it's
Emerson Hancock, I don't know, to the San Diego Padres.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
If in fact.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Mason Miller is available, Does that change it for you?
At least it at least gets me off of no way,
It at least has me thinking, well, maybe maybe maybe
I would do that after all.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So something something to think about out there. All right,
we'll close out.
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Monday show.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
What do you got? Ashley?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Well?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I talked quite a bit about the weird dreams I have,
but I think that I've figured out what.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The most annoying recurring dream is.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Do you ever have a dream that you are like
you feel like you're awake and that you're dreaming that
you're oversleeping or that's time to wake up?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I had that.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Last night and it just kept going on and on
and on, and in my mind I was something them,
just open your eyes and look at your alarm clock
or just look at your phone, see what time it is.
Even in my dream a slime as them because in
my dream, I didn't want to look at the clock,
but I was convinced I was oversleeping, but I didn't
want to look at the clock, so I kept telling myself,
open your eyes, just open your eyes and look at
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the clock. And instead I would just guess what time
it was. And so then it made me all stressed
out that I was really over sleeping, and I woke
up and it was two thirty.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, I'm stressed out just hearing it because I've experienced
that nearly every night.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, it's a no, that's.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The one thing that And I think it usually is
on a Monday because you've had a couple of days
where you maybe don't get to sleep in, but your
alarm is definitely not set for as early as it
is Monday through Friday. And I think it usually, like
a Sunday night is the most stressful night of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Sleep for the whole week.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, you might be right, because you're like so so
important for you to get a good night sleep.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Yes, because you have to start that week off on
a good note.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, it's a good thing that whatever state that is,
that caught between sleep and awake, and you are thinking
about the craziest things possible and you have in your
head you have imagined them to be far worse than
they actually are.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, it is a good thing. We can't operate.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
As human beings in that mindset, otherwise we would all
be in prison. Yeah, for sure, Like there is no
way we're making good decisions in that state of caught between.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's like sleep purgatory. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
And I kept thinking like, oh, it's five am or
five point fifty two.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
It kept five fifty two, Oh it's six thirty.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Oh it's seven thirty, And I why hasn't anyone called
me to see why I'm not at work?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But I just wouldn't open my eyes and look.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, well, because we don't do anything reasonable in those realments.
I'm going to close with this.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I intended to talk about this for a twenty
minute segment today and we just never got to it because.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We were talking about Dan. But Home Run Derby is
tonight and it's gonna be I don't know. This calm
was like a make or break.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's on Netflix, so number one, you're if you don't
have the streaming service, you might not be able to
watch it because I don't think sports bars even have Netflix.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
There are some apparently because of UFC fights, so now
they have it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Okay, all right, Well that's good to know us know that. Okay,
that's good to know.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
One of the complaints that I've had with the clock
in the past is I missed the hitter enjoying the
full arc of his home run, seeing how far it goes.
I think back to Josh Hamilton because we're hitting one
and then having to hit the next, even though it's
against the rules. It's supposed to drop, but they never
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They just ignore the rules and then the angles on
that because of the way they're hitting them, you never
really do catch everything. So there were some problems that
I had with the clock, and they are getting rid
of it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
There isn't going to be no clock this year. Just swings, right,
just swings. But they're going back to no.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The problem that they had. The players obviously complained, it's
too much. You're opening me up for injury. I'm getting tired.
I'm not right again for another week because they're getting
a maximum of twenty swings in the first round, so
four people are going to be eliminated tonight and only
took twenty swings. That's kind of crazy, and then only
fifteen in the second and the final round. So it's
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no clock, completely condensed and reduced. And I'm not sure
how it's going to play out. I really don't, because
we can't get back to having people taking seven pitches
in between swings. Yeah, because that's why they brought the
clock in anyway, because David Ortiz kept swinging at every
eleventh pitch, right, and so they got rid of the clock,
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or they introduced the clock in twenty fifteen. But now
they're getting rid of the clock. So we'll see, we'll
see how.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This thing goes.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I am intrigued. I mean, it could be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But I'm a little worried.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I kind of want the clock with the limited number
of swings, Like you only get twenty swings, but you're
not going to be able to go up there and
you know, jerk around, like you're gonna have a certain
amount of time that you've got to get your twenty
swings in. There's no unlimited amount of time or unlimited
a number of pictures right that you're gonna be able
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to see when you're in the batter's box. So I
kind of want like a clock, but you don't get
to hit up to the clock. You just got to
get your twenty swings in before the clock. Little wiggle
room for you. But that's kind of what I wish
that they would have done.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But we'll see. I have a feeling people aren't gonna
like it. I think it's gonna be over with and
no time.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Yeah, we'll definitely see complaints on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm not sure Netflix. I mean, how long did ESPN
have the home run Derby and they never figured out
how to cover it the right way? So Netflix, it's
first time, is going to be able to cover this
the right way?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We'll have to see on that one.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah, so we'll say.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But enjoy I'm taking. I think it's either Caminero or Murakami.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
That's why's gonna winmon Arrow or Swarber because aren't they
in Philly.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I like those three. Yeah, they're in Philly. Harper's playing two,
so good on the baseball, players. I mean, I realize
it's not all eight are superstars that are participating, but
they always get a really interesting group, and this is
a really interesting group that are going to participate tonight.
So good on baseball. I wish basketball could get one
interesting dunker this decade, and they never do.
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All right, Chuck and Ashley with you here on this
Monday morning. It's turned into a rather eventful one for
us here this morning. Yeah, in our seven o'clock hour
we talked about our brand new ownership group here with
the football team.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We started our Huskies one series. We got World Cup
Final four starting tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We got Home run Derby tonight, we got All Star
Game tomorrow. But I just dropped in on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I've had enough. I've had enough after Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't think Dan Wilson's the right man to manage
this team and manage the big expectations that go with
this team. I am expecting this team to end up
in the World Series still at this point, and maybe
we don't have the right manager for the job. So
I have said it today officially that I think we
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should make a change at that position, and I've left
it to you, the listening audience, to weigh in several
different ways to do so.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Talkback.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We've got a couple of talkbacks, certainly from our website.
We've got YouTube, so we've got some people communicating via YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We've still got the old.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Text line at four nine four five one, and I say,
you know, we can just use old school radio phone
lines as well two O six two eight six ninety
five ninety five if you want to weigh in as well.
I have been asking for people to defend him because
I want to make sure that that avenue has opened
up to have this conversation, an adult conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This isn't about nanny nanny boo boo, or.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
This isn't about uh, you know, we have to fire
somebody after every single loss.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's not the kind of host that I am.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I take this very seriously when I when I make
these sort of declarations on my radio show, and so
today making it, and I want feedback, and I'd really
like to hear from people that don't want him to go.
I really would, And there are various ways to do that.
But there you go. Anyway you want to communicate with
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us this morning, I guess there are a thousand ways
right now. You can even fly a drone over and.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Drop a card to me. Here you go, All right,
what do you got back there?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
All right, we're going to go back to the talk back.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Okay, Dan Wilson should stay the Seattle Mariners manager for
one reason, and one reason only. Our ownership cares about
profit and that's it. They will keep him in his
position because they can use him like a puppet, and
as long as they keep making money, they don't care
about anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Huh, Well, that's not a great reason for keeping You're
saying they will keep it. It doesn't matter how much
we complain about it.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I know it would be really hard for them.
I know it would be really hard for them to
move on because they do really treasure him as a Mariner. Yes,
but that's kind of the risk that you run when
you do hire a former player who's beloved in the
eyes of not just the fan base, but within your organization,
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and then all of a sudden, you're two years into
the project and you're like, is any good?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Is any good at this? Right? I mean, we felt
we had a World.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Series team put together this year, and we're a game
under five hundred right now. And like I said, I
gave him a C minus a year ago, and that's
making the playoffs and making it by a large margin.
I wasn't that impressed with Dan Wilson the manager a
year ago, so you can imagine where I am here today.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
But yeah, I think there might be some truth to that.
I don't want to just one hundred percent endorse that
sentiment that ownership doesn't care enough about winning.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I do believe they care about winning. I think they
do go about it in a different way than you
would prefer that they do because fans just want their
team to spend money and spend money and spend money.
I've never defended that argument that some Mariner fans have.
I think that they've done a fine job of putting
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together a sustainably good winning product, and I think in
the last year and a half they've made moves, including
Lasher's trading deadline, that are championship caliber moves. And I
think this offseason was a good off season that puts
this team in position to win it all this year.
But do you have the manager that presses the right buttons,
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pulls the right strings that I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Two six says they can't fire him, but they can
move him into a different role within the organization, couldn't they.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't know if he'd accept that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I don't know if he would like that. I think
they could try, certainly, but no, I think there was
a lot that went into hiring him in the first place.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Think about Scott's service was fired in August. I think
it was August twenty second. I remember when Scott's service
was fired. So think about how long into.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
That season.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And then when they made the change we did start
playing better and almost track the thing down. Didn't have
enough time. Number one, there's a good, good example of
don't wait too long, especially with this team. This team's
much better than that team was in twenty twenty four,
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and so number one, don't wait too long to make
that move, give yourself time to get things together. And
then number two, obviously they do take it very seriously.
You know we are we're committed to Scott's service and
that at some point the writing was on the wall.
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I think maybe the writing has just gotten on the
wall sooner than any of them expected to be here.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Let's go back to
the Talkbackay, you.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Guys asked what Dan Wilson does well, and the answer
is he might give excellent foot rubs to Jerry Depoto.
Maybe he makes an excellent CHARCOOTERI board with some spicy
hand and some good cheese selections. Maybe Dan is an
excellent wine pairing with the cheese. But he's not good
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at managing baseball. He's not good at managing the locker room.
He's not good at anything baseball wise.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Wow, I won't go that far, No, but I did
like that. Maybe he's really good at charcooterie boards.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You know, that's a great talent.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Let's not undersell that. That's a really important thing.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
When you bring a charcootery board to a party, everyone
goes flocks towards it, and it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I just saw one yesterday as I was walking by,
and I had swore I wasn't gonna drink yesterday, and
I almost turned around and just started eating off the
guy's board.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So let's not let's not underestimate a good shot.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Here is what I have said about Dan in the past,
and these are things that we aren't privy to. I
think that Dan Wilson really does have the respect of
the players on the team, Scott by the end, and
really for the last few years he had a little
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bit of a divided locker room. I mean, he had
his guys that he loved, Gino and Robbie Ray, and
I mean he had his select group of guys that
he loved, and then there were a bunch of guys
in the middle, and then there were some guys he
didn't like very much, and they didn't like him. I
think almost everybody on this team likes Dan Wilson. And
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as I've said numerous times in the past, like I said,
managers manage personalities, and Dan wins a lot of credit
with the players by his horrible press conferences. He is
never ever, ever addressing anything critical about his own team.
He always has his players' backs, and I would imagine
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that's the way Dan wanted to be treated when he
was a player, and he's never forgotten that. And so
there is an element to Hey, when your players love you,
that can go a long way when they believe, man,
we really got a manager who has our backs and
Dan Wilson. But has it slid too far the other way?
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Are they now taking him for granted? There are way
too many episodes of a lack of focus sometimes it
looks like lack of effort that have occurred. And certainly,
and this is indisputable, we're not playing as well as
our talent suggests that we should be playing, which is
the ultimate judge of a manager. He's not getting the
most out of his talent, there is no question about that.
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And so you do wonder if maybe that softness has
caught up to him, because I do think players need
to get called out. I think human beings need to
get talk show hosts need to get called out. And
sometimes when you get called out and you know, yep,
I'm guilty of that, you got me, you will change
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the pattern of behavior that we can't we have no
knowledge of. None of us can say it because we're
not behind the scenes. Maybe there are several meetings, maybe
he does call them out behind the scenes. Maybe, but
it doesn't feel like his team plays all out for him.
And if you're going to have that approach, if I'm
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gonna point that out as one of the attributes to
you as a baseball man and a baseball manager, then
by god, if you're going to approach it that way,
you better get maximum effort.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They better ball out for you.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And I don't I think we can all agree that's
not happened first half of the season, and it has
been particularly noticeable in the last month.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Has it not, Actually absolutely yes, it has and I
think you bringing up the point about what happened in
Tampa on Saturday and them all sitting there staring out
like they just lost, like their season had just ended,
says a lot because clearly they the team themselves, the
players themselves, they know.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They're not performing. They know that.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I mean, yeah, Dan is not the one on the
field that is hitting and pitching and making defensive plays.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We know that. The players know they're not performing.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
But it seems odd to me that at this point
in the season they're looking so forlorn and lost and
like they don't have any direction.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Something happened after that. Yeah, there's no way that something
didn't happen after that game. And I don't know if
it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Player led, manager led, coaches led, owner led, maybe the owner,
but you're right, it was a group, and Cal is
the one that stands out the most that were looking forlorn.
And look, Cal's wearing a lot of this. Cal has
to wear a lot of weight for this team's disappointing
first half. He was our best player by one thousand
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miles a year ago, and he's been bad this year.
I mean, there's really no other way around it. He's
got a one sixty nine batting average at the All
Star break, with fewer than ten home runs this season. Now,
he's been very good defensively, that's for sure, and the
pitchers swear by him and love him, and he's still
a leader. But you could see it in his face.
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I mean, he wore that loss as heavy as any
regular season loss he's ever suffered. So something happened afterwards.
Something I don't know if it's a closed door meeting.
I don't even know if those things work or not.
But some sort of we gotta wake up moment occurred Saturday.
I don't have any doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Problem is, you win on Sunday and now you have
five days to think about it.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, nice to end the season on
a positive note with a win, but you can't that
one doesn't erase the five losses in six games.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, So there's dissatisfaction, as there should be, and the
entire roster. Now, whether or not they're pointing the fingers
that Dan, that's probably not the case. I hope the
players are pointing the fingers at themselves.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I would hope so too, And I think that a
lot of them. I mean, I think That's why Cal
stood out to you in that moment, because he there's
no way.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Cal's like, oh, I know, my defense is enough. I'm
doing great, right.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I mean, we know how competitive he is and how
driven he is, and how much he wants to perform
for his teammates, for the organization, for the city, for
the fans. I mean, he wants that more than anyone
on that team.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But we are about one hundred games into this thing.
It is no longer a short sample size. Fortunately, the
rest of the American League has cooperated. The American League
West is cooperated, and there's no big giant hill to climb.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Got sixty plus game, sixty five plus games to go
and a game and a half deficit to overcome. If
the season ended today, we're a wild card team. That's
if the season ended today, we're still in the playoffs.
That's how much the American League has cooperated for the
Mariners this year. But obviously we think this is a
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much better team. They cannot get on any extended kind
of role. Just when you think they're in a groove,
they'll show up the next day and then start playing
the worst baseball that you could imagine them playing, and
then that spans an entire road trip like it did
in Florida. And again, yes, it's on the players for
(13:33):
not playing well. It's on the players, but it is
the manager's job to maximize the talent on his team.
And if the team looks lackluster for over a month,
then there's something wrong with the leadership that they're being given.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I would agree absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
From the four two five they said, I really wanted
Dan to work, but it's become very obvious that he
needs to go.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The team has been broken all season.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I'm sick of seeing lifeless games, dumb errors, little league mistakes.
The fact that they're under five hundred at the All
Star break is completely unacceptable, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I will say this too, And I think this
is where thing. When a team's failing and not playing well,
it automatically looks like they don't have any energy. I mean,
when you're not excited or excitable, right, it automatically looks
like you're you don't care. Yeah, and it probably is
that you care a little bit too much and you're
(14:26):
almost depressed by how poorly you're playing individually and how
you're wanting somebody else to pick you up and then
they're incapable of doing it. So I do believe that
some of that that a lot of people are pointing
out about, like they don't even try hard, they don't play,
or they don't care. That couldn't be further from the truth, right,
(14:46):
They care, they want, they have desire, they want to win,
They want to win for you, they want to win
for each other. They've gotten close. There's no way they
want to backslide from where they were at the end
of last season.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They do care, they do.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Want this, but they clearly have not gotten to the
point where they're playing well collectively for stretches of time,
and I think that it has weighed on them. And
so that's to me, it's a lot less about do
they care, and it's a lot more about are they focused?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And I was asked.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
About this from Dick and Hugh the other day. And
if this is just one time Josh Naylor bobbling the
ball and not getting it to call Emerson on time
to turn the double play, and then you don't think
anything of it, Right, But there is a pattern of
behavior with Josh. I mean, sometimes he looks like he's
more interested in looking cool than making the right play. Obviously,
(15:48):
Randy a Rose Arena is obsessed with looking cool and
not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
About making the right play at the right time.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And so we've had lackluster decisions on the bass pads,
we've had lackluster decisions in the count we've had all.
You know, it looks it looks like it's a bad effort.
I don't think effort is the problem, but I do
think focus has been the problem, and that, guess sets
(16:22):
back to what the conversation is about, and it's about
Dan Wilson, and I don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
My team not having focus.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, my team better be ready to play. Not every
day over one hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And sixty two games six months.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're gonna have a stinker or five, but not for
five straight games on the road. I would agree that's unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yeah, from the five on nine, people are out of
their minds if they think the reason the Mariners are
performing the way they are performing is because of the manager.
These are professional athletes that can't put the ball in play,
that makes stupid but base running errors and continually leave
runners stranded on base.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, I don't think they're out of their minds. I
don't think you're the only sane person listening right now.
I mean, I'm all for an argument, and I'm all
for somebody telling me it's on the players. Dan's fine,
that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. But I don't think that
anyone right now on this radio show, or anyone that's
(17:23):
responded to us, because not by the way, ninety percent
of the people responding are in agreement with my take
this morning and with Ashley's take this morning. I don't
think that you can say that we are out of
our minds for feeling like the manager is not getting
the job done.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We're not crazy for that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I mean, you can perfectly have the opinion Dan's fine,
players just got to play better.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I can live with that. I can live with that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But I also believe that this is a sport that
is all about trying to find out the angle that
gives us an advantage to win that pitch, to win
that at bat, to win that situation, to win that inning,
to win that game, yeah, and to win that season,
to win that series, to win the season. And I
(18:12):
have just gotten to the point, after watching this for
two years from him where I don't think he gives
you that edge, playing the percentages. I don't think he's
good enough at the few decisions a manager makes today.
And then obviously the motivation required to get the most
(18:34):
out of your players. Those are the three things, and
I think he's failing at all three of those things. Yeah,
this season, and he doesn't seem to be getting any better.
I don't think he gives you those edges. And that's
why we've come to this Monday morning here on KJR.
This is why I make my declaration. I've been thinking
about it for a while.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, you didn't come about this lately.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Last one though, from the four to two to five, Well,
he did take us the furthest we've ever gone last year. Also,
you love Kevin Sitzer and Perry Hill so much, and
apparently they are the best of the best. Yet that's
where we're really struggling this year. So do you want
to get rid of them too or not?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No? No, I don't. No, I don't think Kevin sites
I don't think I've ever said he's the best of
the best. I do like him, I do like him
a lot, but I don't think I'm blowing up the
entire coaching staff. I said this this is what I
would do this, and this really is unfair to Danny
(19:32):
Farquhar and to Manny Acta, but I would get rid
of Wilson, Acta and Farquhar and I would replace them
with Alex Korra, Joey Korra, and Jason Veritek. They're all
available right now. They weren't earlier this year. They're all
off there given major league teams. That's what I would do. Yeah,
(19:52):
those are the changes that I would make. Alex the manager,
Joey's bench coach, and Jason Veritec to fill that void
that for the pitchers and for the catchers that Dan fills.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's that's my recipe. So I don't Again, I didn't
come across this just half assed here today. I gave
given this a lot of thought over the last few months.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
All Right, thank you very much for the feedback. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I don't know we solved anything, but at least we
had a good, nice conversation there about it. Coming up next,
I'm not done with the Mariners. I just want to
talk about things other than Dan. ABC's of the ems.
Come your way on sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm excited to find out, are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Always? That's always good to hear.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And we get started at the beginning of the alphabet
today and this is this works out really well because
A is.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
For a Rose Arena the All Star. He'll be the
only Mariner.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Even with all these changes, we still end up with
just one Mariner on the All Star roster. Maybe something
else about us, I don't know, Maybe something else happens today.
We'll see, but Randy Rose Arena will play the game.
On Tuesday. We'll have no participate participant in the home
run derby here tonight. We sort of dominated the headlines
(21:07):
with the futures game. I'll say that on Saturday, and
it sounds like we had a good draft. Excuse me, Sunday.
It sounds like we had a good draft on Saturday
as well. A lot of the analysts given pretty good
grades on that front. But let's talk about a Rose Arena.
From this standpoint, I realized that he was the guy firing.
Fan wanted to fire after Saturday's lackluster effort, and it
(21:32):
did look bad.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It did look really bad.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Can I offer a little bit of defense for him
and just a little bit, because believe me, if you've
been listening to this show at any consistency at all,
you know how much he frustrates the hell out of
me as a player.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yes, I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
About as frustrating a player to have on your roster
as you could have.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We know how good he is, but man, there are
some decisions and there are moments where it just does
not look like he he's invested in team Baseball whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So I've had a mountain of problems with him, and
I had a mountain and I had a problem with
what he did on Saturday, not giving any effort down
the line, and obviously the Rock did as well. I
will just say this, he's coming off a hamstring. I
can promise you he has been given the orders by
coaches and staff. Hey, win in doubt, let it go.
(22:26):
We don't want you running into walls. We don't want
you sliding into stands, we don't want you jumping.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Let's make sure that that heals first.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
As staph to tell Lenny Dykster that, because he would
just crash face first into walls all the time, Like, hey,
you've turned into a really important player for us. We
needed to see a little less of that going forward.
And so you tell Randy that, does anybody really think
he's going to understand how to play that properly? Do
(22:57):
you really think that he is on from pitch to
pitch gonna understand what he should go for and what
he shouldn't go for when somebody tells him, hey, let's
just not do anything crazy out there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Maybe have to let a ball go every once in
a while.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And I bet you that was one of those, like, yeah,
there's a lot of obstacles over there, it looks tricky.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I'm just gonna let that one drop. I can's not
going to be fair. It's not gonna be fair.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's going to be a fair ball, and he's going
to get a double out of.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
It, right, And that is true. It's not a fair ball.
It would still but it would still be an out.
And I do think I would expect Randy to understand
what is something he should and shouldn't go after.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give
you an example because last year with him stealing basis,
we had a catcher who was on pace to hit
sixty home runs, right, and he was running us out
of innings with cal at the plate, and they told
him like, hey, we got cal at the plate, like,
we can't be we can't be stealing. In that moment,
He's like, what are you talking about? He didn't understand.
(23:57):
He didn't understand that we don't want give up the
chance for two run homer from a guy that's hitting
a home run every tenant bats, just to move up
a base with his power, we're gonna hit And Randy
did not understand. He was flum mixed by it and
spent the old season when am I supposed to steal?
What am I not supposed to steal?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't think he is that player.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think he struggles with a lot of that stuff
because I think he spent his entire life being a
showman and really doesn't understand team baseball. I one hundred
percent believe that, and I've been saying it for two years.
And I have a problem with what he did on Saturday, too,
But to me, it goes right in line with the
problems Randy or Rose Arena creates for his teammates all
(24:43):
the time, and that is he doesn't get it when
somebody says, hey, let's not crash into walls.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Sometimes we got to let one go.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm thinking I bet you he was thinking on that play,
not that I don't care if I don't get to it,
that he thought he was doing it a smart thing.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Letting that drop.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
After all, he was in the lineup the very next day. Yeah,
it's not like they punished him though. They didn't then
send him down on the lineup. They didn't pull him
off the field. He was in the lineup the very
next day. So Castile looked at it like you should
have had that. We all looked at it like you
should have had that. But I'll bet you, I'll bet
you Randy's explanation was, you told me not to crash
(25:23):
into walls. I thought that was close to the wall.
That felt like to me one I should let go
because you want me to let those go. I'll bet
you that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Well, maybe he just needs a better to be a
better judge then, because yeah, it looked like that was
a pretty routine thing.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't disagree with that. I understand why people were angry.
It's like I said, I'm not defending him, I'm just
providing maybe a different. That's fair perspective on it. B
as for battle, with all of the times in the
last five days that we've wondered, do these guys really
care about this? I would like to point out Jose
(26:00):
at bat against Junior Camonaro yesterday, because that game was
still in doubt, they had two guys on base.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Farrer was asked to go. He gads more than an inning.
He had to go a and a third.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh my gosh, I'm with Emerson leaving the game, and
so he was really like you could tell he was like.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Trying to struggle to get through it. And when you're
trying to struggle to get through that inning.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And you have to face the hottest power hitter in
the sport right now, who could easily erase all the
goodwill that you've done offensively to that point in the game,
and he's reaching back throwing one a one. I mean,
he's throwing the kitchen sink, and Camonaro just keeps fouling
him off and fouling him off and fouling him off
and staying alive, and you know, he's just waiting for
(26:50):
that one mistake that he's gonna drive into the seats
and the more he gets the look at Ferrara's pitches,
the more he's gonna feel good about getting that pitch.
And farrer just battled and battled and won the battle,
got him on a called third strike. I thought that
was awesome baseball right there, awesome theater. And so for
all of the finger pointing and this team doesn't care,
(27:14):
know this, Jose Ferrer cared. He cares in that moment,
and that was one hell of a battle in it.
You know, he loses that battle, and maybe we don't
win a game the entire road track. Yeah, maybe that
game goes in a completely different direction. So I wanted
to give him some credit there. See us for Castillo.
A lot of rumors right now about Luis Castillo and
(27:36):
whether or not he's the if he's being shopped here
at the trading deadline. I said this Friday, talked about this.
He's going to be really difficult to trade. He's thirty
three years old, he's got a five ERA, and he
makes twenty four million dollars a year, and he makes
another twenty four again next year. So he's not going
(27:59):
to be easy to trade.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And so.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
If you don't want to take my word for it.
Just this morning, CBS Sports reported the disappointing Mariners their words,
not mine, are still trying to find their footing in
the lackluster Al West, and now this they may be
looking to trade from their rotation depth, specifically Luis Castillo,
the thirty three year old uh is ode more than
(28:23):
twenty four million dollars. Blah blah blah. I just told
you all that stuff Castillo. In other words, Castillo probably
isn't going to net much of a return on the market.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's the point.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Like, if you were able to trade him, I went
through some scenarios last Friday. You're going to be saying
you're gonna pull like an NBA trade. You're gonna go
to the Giants and say, you take this contract and
we'll take one of you. We'll take a contract that's
even worse to make us a little bit better, like
(28:55):
a Matt Chapman type. But if you're just trading him
up at the deadline, you're gonna get nothing in return.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, you're gonna trade him, You're gonna move. You're gonna
have to trade him as a seller to a buyer,
somebody that wants to be able to win this year
and maybe a veteran starting pitcher short also somebody that
has a huge payroll as well. So that's gonna limit
your market there. I suppose that the other option here,
(29:29):
and this is what I thought about just this morning,
is maybe it's not Luis Castillo.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Maybe it is one of the five guys, the five
younger guys, And maybe when we're talking about the Mariners
are interested in slipping a starter for a back of
the bullpen reliever. Nobody feels good, right, There's no way
I'm gonna trade George Kirby for a bullpen piece, unless
(29:58):
would you do it for Mason Miller? Would you do
it for the game's best closer, the unhittable young Mason Miller,
who's under contract for a few more years. Would you
move one of your five younger starting pitchers? Maybe it's
Emerson Hancock, I don't know, to the San Diego Padres.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
If in fact.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Mason Miller is available, Does that change it for you?
At least it at least gets me off of no way,
It at least has me thinking, well, maybe maybe maybe
I would do that after all.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So something something to think about out there. All right,
we'll close out.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
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Monday show.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
What do you got? Ashley?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Well?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I talked quite a bit about the weird dreams I have,
but I think that I've figured out what.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The most annoying recurring dream is.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Do you ever have a dream that you are like
you feel like you're awake and that you're dreaming that
you're oversleeping or that's time to wake up?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I had that.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Last night and it just kept going on and on
and on, and in my mind I was something them,
just open your eyes and look at your alarm clock
or just look at your phone, see what time it is.
Even in my dream a slime as them because in
my dream, I didn't want to look at the clock,
but I was convinced I was oversleeping, but I didn't
want to look at the clock, so I kept telling myself,
open your eyes, just open your eyes and look at
(32:08):
the clock. And instead I would just guess what time
it was. And so then it made me all stressed
out that I was really over sleeping, and I woke
up and it was two thirty.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, I'm stressed out just hearing it because I've experienced
that nearly every night.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, it's a no, that's.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The one thing that And I think it usually is
on a Monday because you've had a couple of days
where you maybe don't get to sleep in, but your
alarm is definitely not set for as early as it
is Monday through Friday. And I think it usually, like
a Sunday night is the most stressful night of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Sleep for the whole week.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, you might be right, because you're like so so
important for you to get a good night sleep.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Yes, because you have to start that week off on
a good note.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, it's a good thing that whatever state that is,
that caught between sleep and awake, and you are thinking
about the craziest things possible and you have in your
head you have imagined them to be far worse than
they actually are.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, it is a good thing. We can't operate.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
As human beings in that mindset, otherwise we would all
be in prison. Yeah, for sure, Like there is no
way we're making good decisions in that state of caught between.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's like sleep purgatory. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
And I kept thinking like, oh, it's five am or
five point fifty two.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
It kept five fifty two, Oh it's six thirty.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Oh it's seven thirty, And I why hasn't anyone called
me to see why I'm not at work?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But I just wouldn't open my eyes and look.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, well, because we don't do anything reasonable in those realments.
I'm going to close with this.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I intended to talk about this for a twenty
minute segment today and we just never got to it because.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We were talking about Dan. But Home Run Derby is
tonight and it's gonna be I don't know. This calm
was like a make or break.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's on Netflix, so number one, you're if you don't
have the streaming service, you might not be able to
watch it because I don't think sports bars even have Netflix.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
There are some apparently because of UFC fights, so now
they have it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Okay, all right, Well that's good to know us know that. Okay,
that's good to know.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
One of the complaints that I've had with the clock
in the past is I missed the hitter enjoying the
full arc of his home run, seeing how far it goes.
I think back to Josh Hamilton because we're hitting one
and then having to hit the next, even though it's
against the rules. It's supposed to drop, but they never
(34:37):
They just ignore the rules and then the angles on
that because of the way they're hitting them, you never
really do catch everything. So there were some problems that
I had with the clock, and they are getting rid
of it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
There isn't going to be no clock this year. Just swings, right,
just swings. But they're going back to no.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The problem that they had. The players obviously complained, it's
too much. You're opening me up for injury. I'm getting tired.
I'm not right again for another week because they're getting
a maximum of twenty swings in the first round, so
four people are going to be eliminated tonight and only
took twenty swings. That's kind of crazy, and then only
fifteen in the second and the final round. So it's
(35:23):
no clock, completely condensed and reduced. And I'm not sure
how it's going to play out. I really don't, because
we can't get back to having people taking seven pitches
in between swings. Yeah, because that's why they brought the
clock in anyway, because David Ortiz kept swinging at every
eleventh pitch, right, and so they got rid of the clock,
(35:46):
or they introduced the clock in twenty fifteen. But now
they're getting rid of the clock. So we'll see, we'll
see how.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This thing goes.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I am intrigued. I mean, it could be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But I'm a little worried.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I kind of want the clock with the limited number
of swings, Like you only get twenty swings, but you're
not going to be able to go up there and
you know, jerk around, like you're gonna have a certain
amount of time that you've got to get your twenty
swings in. There's no unlimited amount of time or unlimited
a number of pictures right that you're gonna be able
(36:18):
to see when you're in the batter's box. So I
kind of want like a clock, but you don't get
to hit up to the clock. You just got to
get your twenty swings in before the clock. Little wiggle
room for you. But that's kind of what I wish
that they would have done.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But we'll see. I have a feeling people aren't gonna
like it. I think it's gonna be over with and
no time.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Yeah, we'll definitely see complaints on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm not sure Netflix. I mean, how long did ESPN
have the home run Derby and they never figured out
how to cover it the right way? So Netflix, it's
first time, is going to be able to cover this
the right way?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We'll have to see on that one.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah, so we'll say.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But enjoy I'm taking. I think it's either Caminero or Murakami.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
That's why's gonna winmon Arrow or Swarber because aren't they
in Philly.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I like those three. Yeah, they're in Philly. Harper's playing two,
so good on the baseball, players. I mean, I realize
it's not all eight are superstars that are participating, but
they always get a really interesting group, and this is
a really interesting group that are going to participate tonight.
So good on baseball. I wish basketball could get one
interesting dunker this decade, and they never do.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
All Right, we'll talk to you tomorrow at six am.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
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