Magic Mirror on the Wall, who is the fairest of them all? We’ve been talking about Dan Wilson’s job and we want to be fair, so we ask our listeners to give us their reasons for why Dan Wilson should remain the manager of this Mariners team. Don’t worry, we’ll do Jerry next week! :30- This Terrion Arnold situation has a lot of people talking, including Mike MacDonald who addressed it after practice yesterday. We could see Schneider finding a way to make Arnold work, but it doesn’t seem like a MacDonald thing. :45- The Mariners are in NY tonight to face all of their left-handed hitters… and pitchers.
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even day last Soul thought it was mirror mirror.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I know, right, he read the book, clearly didn't watch
the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But magic mirror is what Disney ended up calling it
in snow white, and the idea behind it is to
prove to you that I am the fairest of them all.
And there are three different definitions for fair. As it
turns out, there is beauty that's not the one that
is attributed to me, right. There is pale of skin
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that could be.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Contributed, especially on YouTube. It makes us o books so pale.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But the one I'm referring to is just that version
of fair. I want to prove that I am the
fairest of them all when it comes to these these
types of conversations, especially when I have some bold ass
takes that not everybody can possibly agree with. But we
have an article out from Ryan Devish here this morning.
(01:59):
Great job by Ryan Divish, and he says, don't expect
the Mariners to let go of Dan Wilson. Part of
that reason it was inferred is because of his legendary
status within the organization. Part of his reason. Part of
the reason is that the players just love playing for him,
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and so they believe that they can fix it under
Dan's leadership, and so the organization does not want to
upset that apple cart. As you know, I have announced
that I think Dan Wilson should go. And I announced
that the first day out of the All Star break
that was our show that Monday ended up being a
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thing that week. And I certainly have not seen this
team perform like I was wrong. They certainly haven't stepped
up and had their managers back if they want him
to lead them to greatness. All they've done is played
poorer in the second half of the season. So I'm
going to stand by all of my arguments and reasons
why I think Dan Wilson should not be the manager
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of this team tonight and going forward to try to
get them out of these aduldrums and give ourselves a
chance of pulling off this comeback here with the remaining
forty five games of the season. But Magic Mirror is
about you telling me why Dan Wilson should stay. I
want to be fair and I don't want a big
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mountain of reasons. We have time to rifle through a
few of your correspondences by just giving me a reason
why Dan Wilson should stay. So I've been asking for texts,
I've been asking for YouTube responses, I've been asking for
talkbacks all morning long for this very segment. So Ashley,
let's get to them.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right, we're gonna start with the talkback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, Baseball is a game of intangibles, Like you can't
just go up to the plate and try extra hard,
and you know that's not necessarily going to.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Fix anything or work out.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But I see terminating Dan Wilson as just some intangible effect.
Maybe it galvanizes the team, maybe it has some change.
Isn't a constant really topoto and kind of the approach.
His offense has been terrible far before Dan Wilson ever, all.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right, he ran out of time. But look, I like
that argument very level, had a very very sound argument,
And I think there are two things for me to
react to in that You're right, it is just an
intangible You don't know what the next manager, what kind
of effect he could have on this team, And maybe
it'll be a grossly negative effect, maybe the team falls apart.
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But at this stage I think that you have to
make that desperate move to shake things up. And maybe
there is no reason behind why the Philadelphia Phillies became
instantly better the moment they fired a really likable, successful
manager and Rob Thompson, a guy that saved them from
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Joe Girardi at one a few years ago and turned
them into a winner. But this year, when they started
the season and they felt as if we have a
playoff roster and we're not anywhere close to playing that way,
they made the change early and it improved instantly. And
lo and behold, here are the Philadelphia Phillies right there
in the playoffs, right there in the playoff position, and
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with Christopher Sanchez, Zach Wheeler and Jesus Lozardo, they're going
to be very dangerous for the Dodgers to try and
take out. The Boston Red Sox did the same thing.
They got rid of Alex Korra. You could argue, well,
isn't that just trying to change an intangible effect? And
yet it worked, and they've got the same analytics, using
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the same analytics. They didn't change out general managers, they
didn't change out analytics teams, they didn't change out their nerdoramas.
They went with the same players, the same organizational philosophy,
and they changed the manager. And maybe it is just
an intangible thing that you really can't know what kind
of impact it's going to have, but they felt they
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were desperate and had to do something to shake things up.
I feel the Mariners are in the exact same boat
right now.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And I can see the I mean we talked about
it earlier, the nervousness or the uncertainty of how the
team will react when it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, there's always that risk. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
What would you say to that talkback? Second part though,
isn't the one constant Jerry Depoto.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, my reaction to that is, I think Jerry Depoto
has made a lot of mistakes, and I think he,
as an executive, has learned from those mistakes and made
changes over the years to his own approach. The offensive
hitting approach I criticized for a great number of years,
as Ashley knows, as Bucky knows, as anders Hurst on
(06:46):
My Stove podcast knows, get the hell out of the
way you don't know offense, and I felt he and
Justin were way too hands on with that. But at
the beginning of last season, and Jerry he admitted this
in a press conference, he stepped away from it. I mean,
certainly he's got to say on how things are done,
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and I don't know how loud that say is. But
when Kevin Seitzer and Edgar Martinez were put together, there
was this and they stated it like, I'm going to
back off of this. We're gonna hand the offense over
to those two guys and the approach at the plate.
Certainly analytics still play a part in that. But if
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Jerry Depoto got fired tomorrow, they're going to replace him
with a guy that embraces analytics. Nobody's not going to
do that, maybe not as much, but it's still going
to be part of the process. And this ties into
what I just said about the Red Sox and the Astros.
They didn't change their organizational philosophies. They didn't change midstream
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their general manager, the guy making the decisions. They changed
a manager and a couple of coaches to shake things
up to get the player's attention. And maybe it was
just an intangible roll of the dice, but it worked.
And it's because they were both in desperate situations. The
Red Sox had the worst record in baseball at the time.
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They've got like a nine hundred winning percentage since that time.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I would like that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't know why it works, but this goes all
the way back to trader Jack McKeon taking over the
world champion Miami Marlins twenty five years ago. Just an
old grumpy fart, and he rolled in there though an
old grumpy fart had the right things to say to
the group of players to get them turned around, and
they won the World Series for goodness sake that year.
(08:37):
So there's enough evidence that it does work. And we
can discuss Jerry in another edition of Magic Mirror down
the line. As a matter of fact, I look forward
to it. But let's get back to Dan.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
All right from the two oh six. What about roster construction?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
With Cal, Julio and Naylor struggling, there's no combination of
hitters on this team that could save this team from
being dead last year in runs score.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's not Dan's fault.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, how is that roster construction? I mean, you just
said it yourself. Josh Naylor, Cal Rowley, and Julio Rodriguez
aren't hitting. Take the three best hitters away from any
team and let's see how they perform. Take Camonaro Diaz
and name the third guy away from the Tampa Bay
Rays and see how much they plummet. Like roster construction
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to me, To me, it's cheap. To me, it's un
This is about being the fairest of them all. To me,
it is unfair to say at the beginning of the
year I believe in the roster, and then when individual
players don't perform, then I'm going to say, well, this
roster stinks, right like I I and maybe I'm wrong.
(09:51):
I'm bullish about this. I think the roster was fine
coming into this season. It had Vegas making us the
favorite to win the American League. It had national analysts
everywhere saying the Mariners should win the American League. It
had local people that have been critical of the Mariners
over the years saying the Mariners should win the American League.
Roster construction, to me, is was the roster set up
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to win this year. And that's where again we get
into the Jerry thing.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's why I'm not saying it has nothing to do
that I personally like Jerry or Justin over Dan might
be the opposite, is true. It is I believed in
the roster when the season began, and I still think
it's a roster worthy of.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Getting things done. Now I'll say this, I'll say this.
They this team seems to only have the ability to
win one way, and that is to hit home runs.
It's the only way we can score runs. And maybe
a lot of that does fall on roster construction. But
I would also say a lot of that falls on
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Dan Wilson. Why don't we do anything else but wait
around for the three run homer? Yeah, And I have
been very clear about this. I blame the players the most.
I don't blame Dan the most. I blame the players
the most. Right, they're underperforming, they are underperforming. But when
it's a collective, when it's the entire group, I'm gonna
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blame the manager and the coaches more than I'm gonna
blame the team that put the roster together. When I
believe in the roster, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not
gonna be a hypocrite about it. I believe in the roster.
I don't think that the roster is the problem. This
roster should have been good enough to run away with
the American League West. Jim Bowden just told this to
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us two weeks before the trading deadline. He said, the
Mariners don't have to add anything before the deadline and
they should still run away with the American League West.
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I heard that with my own two years there.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I'm not going to blame roster construction for the
way that this team underperformed this year. And I'm not
solely blaming it on Dan and the coaching staff. I'm
blaming it on the players underperforming. But who gets more
held responsible for a group of players underperforming? Is it
the guy that put them together or is it the
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guy that's around them every day and his job is
to get that group of players to play their best.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I would think it's that guy from the four two five.
My one and only reason would to keep Dan would
be with the current roster, in future players and prospects.
It would show that we will stick together the good
and the bad, show that we commit a third manager
in three years. Would make it harder if we pretend
that the front office will spend to re sign or
have a free agent want to come here, knowing we
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just recycle if it's not working. Now, I'm not saying
I agree with or I disagree with firing Dan, but
that would be my one reason to keep him continuity.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yes, tell it to the NBA, NHL.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, they just they not care about coaches.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
They will plow it over. Yes, I don't necessarily buy that,
as you might guess. This sort of to me goes
to what the player said in Ryan's article, we just
really like him. Well, I don't want you to be
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friends with your manager. That doesn't impress me. I get
that you like him. Everybody in the organization likes him,
and he's earned being liked through the way that he
conducts himself as a human being. But your manager should
not be your friend first. He should be your boss.
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And if you see him as a friend instead of
somebody whose job is to get the most out of you,
if you look to him like, man, that's a guy
that I would help have, help me move. That's a
guy I'm gonna call if ever I need a drive
home from the bar and I've had one too many.
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That's a nice attribute to have in your manager. But
it's not what I want you to say about your manager.
What I want you to say about your manager is
that's the guy that got the most out of me.
It's just like when we were in grade school and
you didn't want the teacher in the fifth grade that
you heard was tough, and then you ended up getting
that teacher in the fifth grade who was tough, and
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now you look back on it, even though you were
scared on day number one of school that he was
going to be tough, and you're like, that is one
of my favorite teachers of all time. That's what a
manager's gotta be. Not your friend. Yeah, it's the guy
that gets the most out of your circle. The players
on this roster who this year we feel the most
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was gotten out of them? Three of them on the
entire roster, Hancock, young Hand, Zone four, Randy Yeah, even then,
did you get the most out of him? Why did
we have so many incidents of him being lack Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But often been very good, very good?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Else We've gotten this from a couple people, So I
feel this one is an important one to ask you. Okay,
we get rid of Dan, who do we replace him with?
That would be my one. That's their one hesitation for
why they wouldn't want Dan fired, because who's the other option?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I mean in house, it's Maniacta. That's the obvious.
He has managerial experience and he knows the team. I
don't believe in Maniacta. Again, again, I like him a lot,
but I don't I don't necessarily believe that's the right choice.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Could you go with someone out of what you Coss
for this At this point.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You could go Alex Cora. He's available out there. I mean,
he's the guy they got rid of though in Boston
and have gone on a streak without him. He also
has astros ties, which might bother some people. There's Bruce
Bochie types. There's some veterans out there that might be
interested in the job. And I have heard I've heard
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a lot of people say, well, not a lot of people.
A couple people say that nobody wants to manage for
Jerry Depoto, even if around the league no one likes
Jerry Depoto and no one believes in Mariners ownership. There's
not a manager out there that doesn't look at this
pitching staff and this young nucleus with Kate Anderson and
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Ryan Sloan coming and Emerson and Young up the middle,
and Arroyo and Montees on the way, and an entire
starting rotation under club control right now, which is one
of the best in baseball. Like Ben Johnson passed two
full head coaching cycles in the National Football League and
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chose for the Chicago Bears, why well, it certainly wasn't
for ownership. That might be the worst ownership group in
the National Football League routinely panned and by people that
you know, and I'm not going to throw them under
the bus. People don't want to play for the mccaskeys
in Chicago. But the hottest offensive coordinator over a three
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year span waited till he had the quarterback to play
for in Caleb Williams, and he went to the Chicago
Bears without hesitance. Yeah, I see, Kevin Cash would manage here.
We might have to trade for him, and he embraces analytics.
I just want to warn you more so than Dan
Wilson does, more so than Jerry Depoto does. But that
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guy is fantastic. Steven Vote, I've heard will manage here.
They want to manage here. That's what I'm doing in
the off season. That's who I'm going at. But we're
talking about whether or not he should stay the manager now, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, And I think that that would be a lot
of people's hesitation is to get rid of him and
just have someone in house. And then there was See
the problem is this for there's a lot of people
that are still doing the Jerry thing.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
We'll get to the Jerry part of everything.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh you want this one, Well, no, I'm saying, yeah,
we'll get there, We'll do the Jerry one on this
same thing.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But as what I'm saying about Jerry making a dent
at all, I realized that there are a lot of
people that have had their pants on fire for Jerry
to Poto now for seven eight years. I mean I
even saw a tweet or a text this morning or
tweet this morning saying that we went through a ten
year rebuild. What the f are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
In year it was a.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Two year rebuild. We were two years and you went
from competitive to rebuilding for two years. One of those
was a shortened year, and then had a winning record
by the third year, and we're a playoff team by
the fourth. What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think it's just like every year lasts forever.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I think some people came in so hard on Jerry
that they have to hate Jerry, and you attach so
many things to Jerry, like how could you be angry
at Jerry because the PR staff has a Jimothy Knight?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I know, because that stuff doesn't make sense. Nobody can
separate those things. I will say that the one thing
we're seeing a lot of is well, Jerry wants a
yes man, so he's only going to hire someone who's
going to agree with everything.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh, I'm so glad this point came up. I'm so
glad this point, this point had to come up. Dan
Wilson makes the lineup and Dan Wilson makes the end
game decisions. Does the front office influence him before every game? Yes,
just like every front office in Major League Baseball does.
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There are no old school managers that don't that get
away without meeting with the nerderama and the big stat
packet and they all have conversations. There's a meeting between
Pete Woodworth, cal Rawley, the starting pitcher, and Dan Wilson
before every single game. And that's information on high that
is coming down that they discuss. Every organization does this now?
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And then the other thing that I would say about this,
if that really is just a yes man. First of all,
Scott Service will punch in the face if he thought
you thought he was just a yes man for eight
years here. But if Dan Wilson really just took the
job because he wanted the job and he just says
whatever you say, Jerry, shame on Dan Wilson. Do you
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think I think higher of Dan Wilson. If I'm to
believe that rhetoric, that he only does what Jerry tells
him to do, I think so much less of Dan Wilson,
and I'm critical enough of him. But if that really
is true, that he just gets a speech before because
he's not sitting down there on a phone, he's not
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sitting down there looking at his watch, there's no communication
in the game. So if he spends every game just well,
this is what Jerry wants me to do, then I
don't think any higher of Dan Wilson. I think far
less of Dan. Dan the man be a man, But
I don't believe that's true. I think Jerry and Justin
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are very influential on the decisions that are made on
a day to day basis. I don't argue that, and
maybe too much so still to this day. But I
also believe, because I've been told by all three parties
and the rest of you are just making this up.
Do you haven't asked Justin Hollander to his face. I've
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asked him on the air and off the air, who
makes the lineup decisions? Who makes the in game decisions?
And he laughs and he says, the lineup is Dan's
and there is no way that we are discussing with
him in game decisions. He laughs about it. Now, if
you want to believe that he's lying to me, then
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go ahead and do it. But I know I've done
one thing more than any of you out there that
are making this suggestion. You've never asked Justin, Jerry or
Dan this question. I have, so maybe they're lying to me.
I'm naive, but I have asked it of the three
pillars in the organization, and they all tell me Dan
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makes the lineup. Dan's in game decisions all influenced on
high by the Nerderama led by Jerry Depoto and Justin Hollander.
I am not denying that they don't influence Dan's in
game decisions, but once they've had their say before the game,
it's Dan's call for the rest of the game. I
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don't know how much clearer I can make then.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh that was clear?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
All right? Great stuff?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean I had fun.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I liked it. I like it when our listeners participate too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I love it. I love it, And the more we
do it, the more I want to hear from you.
We'll open up the phone lines in the future, And
I promise next week, because we're going to do it
again next week, I will make it all about Jerry.
That's my promise, since we couldn't have a discussion about
Dan without bringing up Jerry. And I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, it does because a lot of I mean, they
are very intertwined.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
All right. Coming up next, Mike McDonald his thoughts Ontari
and Arnold. Are the Seahawks really interested in this guy?
It sounds like they are. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM really happy with Magic Mirror.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I thought it was great. People are very excited for
the Jerry segment next week.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh we're gonna do Yeah, you might have to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Make it more than one segment next week. I'm just
warning you.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Tire hour.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We'll do a tire hour there you go. Come up
with a bunch of magic songs, a bunch of mirror songs.
You can do magic, You can do anything that you desire.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
True, Yeah, it's true. Thanks America.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know, want to know why? Tell me why, Chuck,
Because you're the one that can put out the fire.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
With your sister Golden just gonna go through a different America.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So yeah, let's just jump to another one. Yeah, it's
Ashley a chuck with you. And look, Breg Bell and
I clearly don't agree about baseball. But one thing we
do agree about is this Terryan Arnold thing. And not
that you know we're entire I mean, I'm not gonna
speak on athem. Not that there's not a scenario out
there that maybe some of the information is grossly misrepresented.
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Maybe maybe the authorities have no case. Maybe Terry and
Arnold is a victim of mistaken identity like apparently the
victims were. I'm not closing myself off to any kind
of possibility out there of the future. And I'm also
not closing myself off of the possibility that it's still
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not within John Schneider to say talent comes first. I
got a chance to get a first round young cornerback
for league minimum salary, and I think our PR team
can spin it. You forgave me for Frank Clark, You'll
forgive me for Terry and Arnold. I think there's probably
that little bit of a rascal and John Schneider that
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just might not be able to resist if he gets
a chance to get a talent like Terry and Arnold
for League minimum. Where Greg and I agree is it
just doesn't feel like a Mike McDonald thing. It doesn't
feel like something Mike McDonald would go along with. I've
seen John do it. But since Mike McDonald came into
town the last couple of years, man, it just feels
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like character has been a much played a much bigger
role in who the Seahawks bring into this organization, be
it draft pick, free agent, trade acquisition. And so it
is surprising that they're kicking the tires when this story
is so sensational and so potentially wrought with just disaster.
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But Mike McDonald is in. He's got his hand in
the middle on this. Here. He was yesterday talking about
Terry and Arnold after practice.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Well it's enough right now. We had him in for
a great visit, a great tryout. It's you know, it's
a situation where there's there's some there's other things that
are surrounding it as well. We're aware of that, but uh,
we're we're working through the situation right now. You know,
there's but uh there's a great visit. I really really
enjoyed medium and I think I think he enjoyed being here,
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so we'll see where it goes a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Evaluate situations like that where there's lots the other stuff
going on and he's got appolt you you work.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Really hard to build and just make sure you protect that. Well.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
We're going to do our due diligence, and there's a
lot of people in Terryon's corner that that we respect
on in terms of the type of guy is. So
we're gonna work through all that and I think we
I trust our people to make the best decision for us,
and we also think this is a great place to
come work too, and that people can be the best
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verson themselves if given the opportunity. So kind of works
both ways.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Mike mc donald yesterday, whenever Mike kind of backed something,
you can't help. But Okay, I guess, I guess I'm
all the ears. I'm not. You're not not at all.
Doesn't sound like Ashley Ryan type guy.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No, and it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I mean, I don't want to convict him before he's
been found guilty of this situation. But that is a
lot of drama that I don't think you need. You're
You've already got people gunning for you this year. You
are the defending Super Bowl champions. You don't need to
add something that's going to be a distraction. And on
top of that, before this legal issue, we have heard
that he's not the best teammate. What have we done
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with people who weren't the best teammates or who caused
issues or outbursts on the field? Reek Wolla no longer here,
DK Metcalf no longer here. He doesn't tolerate it. So
I don't know why this guy would be a fit.
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean the Lions walked away fast. Yeah, if
anyone would have had the reason to like as much
as they had invested to say, okay, can we let
the process play itself?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yes? And no one would blame them for that, right
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, can we let the process play itself out and
then we'll make the best decision for the organization. They
cut him like immediately, and I don't think they would
have done that if they believed his story. And my
guess is they don't believe his story because they know
his character, right, So I mean I'm reading a lot
into that. No, But yeah, I'm supposed to be the
fairest of them all, and that feels a little unfair
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right there, but that is my read of the situation.
I mean, Dan Campbell's a football bite off knee caps.
I mean, we're losing our grip on our status as
Super Bowl contender. They would be I think the last
team that will want to give up on a third year,
first round pick cornerback, especially when their secondary has gotten
devastated each of the last two years and probably kept
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them from getting to the super Bowl. And here are
the Lions. As soon as they heard the story the
next day, you are out and then all of the
other stories about his character started to come out as well.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, And that's what you have to think right in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And if he is a team leader, if he is
the glue in the locker room, if he is all
of these things that are important to their team's success,
they wouldn't have been so quick to dismiss him. But
you start hearing those stories after and I think you
think to yourself, okay, so take away the legal stuff.
Do we want a guy on our team that would
be dropped so quickly? And now we're hearing all these
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things that he's not that great in the locker room.
Why would we want that regardless of his legal issues.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Huh. I think you and Greg and I are all
on the same page. It just doesn't feel Mike mcdonaldy,
and I want you as an organization to be as
Mike mcdonaldy as possible. Yes, please, it works.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, it's done well for us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But he is at least he is at least even
if he doesn't even if he doesn't, isn't sure he
likes it. He's smart enough to say other people in
the organization do. This guy might end up on our
team depends on what we hear, how this thing unfolds.
And I'm certainly not going to say we don't have
room in our organization for a guy I like this,
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So that seems to be the approach that Mike's taking.
Also would like to point out Hawk blogger, you were
being very nosy, uh, and Baby, I think you should
get fined for crying in the middle of Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Process, being all loud and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We don't let Bob Condota do that if he started
crying in the middle of a press conference. Why would
we let that, baby.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's a very valid question. You're just being fair, You're
asking fair questions.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Exactly. Bob Candota is a professional. That's why he's been
on the beat for so long. That's why he's so
good at his job. He just started crying in the
middle of Mike McDonald's answers. How long would he have
his job? Think about that, baby?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Not very long time.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Next time you want to ruin a piece of audio,
you better want to check yourself, all right? Coming on
next a preview of tonight's series at Yankee Stadium Sports
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Speaker 4 (30:52):
We are going to go in and all our dreams
are going to come true when we sweep the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I've always said to Alisha Cage, You're full of crap. Eh,
it's a big liar. You know, if you rearrange the
letters and Alicia Keys, you can spell lie a lot like.
I don't think that's true. But Mariners in New York
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taking on the Yankees. So not only do the Mariners
have to go on a bit of a heater here,
they're going to have to do it against some really
good competition, but the New York Yankees. To provide you
a preview for tonight, not exactly the same team that
we've been led to believe that they are. Every year.
They're a little overrated. Even here in town. People get
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a little carried away with how much better the Yankees
are than the Mariners. I'm not sure they really are
on paper, but they do have a record fifteen games
over five hundred. Then again, they are playing without arguably
their two best players. Aaron Judge has been on the
injury list since mark May thirty first, and he's not
going to return in the next three days. Cody Bellinger
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has also been on the is on the injured list
right now, and he's not going to return in the
next three days. Since May thirty first, when Aaron Judge
did go on the jury list, this team has gone
thirty and twenty nine since that time. So this has
they're sixty six and fifty two. I should say, now
I forgot. I've called up a box score from two
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days ago because I was looking up what kind of
lineup they threw against Chris Sale. So sixty six and
fifty two. Now on the season, they've gone thirty and
twenty nine since Aaron Judge went down, So still better
than the Mariners have been since that time. But a
five hundred team in essence without Judge and probably a
little worse than that without Judge and Bellinger. So that
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is one thing that is one feather in your cap
as you get ready to think about your odds starting
tonight at Yankee Stadium. Now they have addressed some of that.
Because we had a trading deadline. Of course, we had
Taylor Ward to our lineup. They added two bats to
their lineup. They added Luis Garcia, who was having an
all star season for the Washington Nationals. And they added
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Elliott Ramos, who's a good hitter, not a great hitter,
but a good hitter from the San Francisco Giants. And
lo and behold, Aaron Boone is not monkeyed around on
this thing. He's put them third and fourth in their lineup,
Third and fourth. That's when they face right handers. See,
this is the most lefty dominant team, Like we struggle
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the most against lefties. But if you want to face
the Yankees, man, they throw out a parade of left
handed hitters. Here was their lineup last night. Trent Grisham
left handed, Ben Rice left handed, Elliott Ramos, who I
just mentioned, so before they were they were having a
left handed hitter in the lineup, but he's a right
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handed hitter. Luis Garcia left handed, Jazz Chisholm left handed,
Spencer Jones left handed, George Lombard hit seventh, or a
rookie that just got called up. He does hit right handed.
So again, a couple of adjustments that they've made so
they're not so lefty vulnerable. Ryan McMahon hits eight left handed,
Austin Wells the catcher hits ninth left handed, and then
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a couple of days ago they were a team that
was even more lefty dominant in their lineup. Now that
sounds like great news to a team that has left
handed starting pitching. We do not not a single one. Yeah,
never really have had one. It feels like since Marco
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Gonzalez we had a lefty starting pitcher. I don't know.
I think I might activate Kate Anderson. I think we're
like desperation mode here are we not? And if they've
got such a lefty dominant lineup, hell, let's see if
Kate Anderson can handle his debut. We have to win.
You're facing the Yankees at Yankee Stadium. Here's the ball, kid,
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show us what you can do. I mean, please, But
obviously they are a team that is a little vulnerable
to left handers, and we don't have a starter that's
left handed, and we do have a couple of relievers,
thank goodness, Gavee Spires going to be back, but Jose
Ferreyre is gonna have to pitch better because I think
we're gonna have to lean on those two guys pretty
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heavily over the course of the next three days, and
that's still is not going to cover all of your bases.
They'll take out McMahon, Chisholm and Grisham against lefties, and
they might do the same thing with Luis Garcia, but
we just don't have the chips to play to cause
that sort of change that makes them weaker in their lineup.
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So we're gonna have to go at their best that
they have available to them, and we're gonna have to
do it with our right handed pitching over the course
of the next three days. We have no choice.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I don't I don't feel great about that, Chuck, Ye
not gonna lie, But weird are things that happened just
when we think this team is.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you never know, no doubt. And then the other
aspect of it, of course, we are also vulnerable against
left handers more so than what the Yankees are, and
we will face two of three the next three days.
Max Freed will pitch in Game three. Ryan Weathers will
pitch tonight. Both good to great left handed pitchers those guys,
and then we don't exactly face some chump in the
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middle even though he is right handed and Will Warren,
so I guess to summarize also lefty vulnerable, but we
don't have the matchups like they do in our pitching
staff to take advantage of that. And then the second
thing I would say is that they are judgeless and bellingerless,
and that doesn't make them nearly as scary as typically
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they are to face, especially at home. They are a
five hundred team since Aaron Judge went down with his
injury and all of their starting pitching getting healthy has
not really helped the cause as much as they thought
it would. Be thirty and twenty nine since May thirty first,
which makes them pretty damn average.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, average, but average is better than us. So we
need to step up.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh sure, definitely have to step up, no choice, have
to step up, have to start winning tonight and have
to get Brian wu tonight to get over his road woes,
because if you start hanging pitches or are not getting
it to that top rail with your fastball, they that
entire lineup that I just went down, they will crush you.
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There's not a guy in that lineup that can't just
take you deep on any pitch. I mean, that is
the one thing about the New York Yankees. They always
have sluggers, all right. Coming up next, Ryan Healil join us.
We'll get his thoughts on the Yankee series and so
much more, including why he got shown up on the
home run derby by a pitcher. Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
I know, right, he read the book, clearly didn't watch
the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But magic mirror is what Disney ended up calling it
in snow white, and the idea behind it is to
prove to you that I am the fairest of them all.
And there are three different definitions for fair. As it
turns out, there is beauty that's not the one that
is attributed to me, right. There is pale of skin
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that could be.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Contributed, especially on YouTube. It makes us o books so pale.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But the one I'm referring to is just that version
of fair. I want to prove that I am the
fairest of them all when it comes to these these
types of conversations, especially when I have some bold ass
takes that not everybody can possibly agree with. But we
have an article out from Ryan Devish here this morning.
(01:59):
Great job by Ryan Divish, and he says, don't expect
the Mariners to let go of Dan Wilson. Part of
that reason it was inferred is because of his legendary
status within the organization. Part of his reason. Part of
the reason is that the players just love playing for him,
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and so they believe that they can fix it under
Dan's leadership, and so the organization does not want to
upset that apple cart. As you know, I have announced
that I think Dan Wilson should go. And I announced
that the first day out of the All Star break
that was our show that Monday ended up being a
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thing that week. And I certainly have not seen this
team perform like I was wrong. They certainly haven't stepped
up and had their managers back if they want him
to lead them to greatness. All they've done is played
poorer in the second half of the season. So I'm
going to stand by all of my arguments and reasons
why I think Dan Wilson should not be the manager
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of this team tonight and going forward to try to
get them out of these aduldrums and give ourselves a
chance of pulling off this comeback here with the remaining
forty five games of the season. But Magic Mirror is
about you telling me why Dan Wilson should stay. I
want to be fair and I don't want a big
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mountain of reasons. We have time to rifle through a
few of your correspondences by just giving me a reason
why Dan Wilson should stay. So I've been asking for texts,
I've been asking for YouTube responses, I've been asking for
talkbacks all morning long for this very segment. So Ashley,
let's get to them.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right, we're gonna start with the talkback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, Baseball is a game of intangibles, Like you can't
just go up to the plate and try extra hard,
and you know that's not necessarily going to.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Fix anything or work out.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But I see terminating Dan Wilson as just some intangible effect.
Maybe it galvanizes the team, maybe it has some change.
Isn't a constant really topoto and kind of the approach.
His offense has been terrible far before Dan Wilson ever, all.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right, he ran out of time. But look, I like
that argument very level, had a very very sound argument,
And I think there are two things for me to
react to in that You're right, it is just an
intangible You don't know what the next manager, what kind
of effect he could have on this team, And maybe
it'll be a grossly negative effect, maybe the team falls apart.
(04:36):
But at this stage I think that you have to
make that desperate move to shake things up. And maybe
there is no reason behind why the Philadelphia Phillies became
instantly better the moment they fired a really likable, successful
manager and Rob Thompson, a guy that saved them from
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Joe Girardi at one a few years ago and turned
them into a winner. But this year, when they started
the season and they felt as if we have a
playoff roster and we're not anywhere close to playing that way,
they made the change early and it improved instantly. And
lo and behold, here are the Philadelphia Phillies right there
in the playoffs, right there in the playoff position, and
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with Christopher Sanchez, Zach Wheeler and Jesus Lozardo, they're going
to be very dangerous for the Dodgers to try and
take out. The Boston Red Sox did the same thing.
They got rid of Alex Korra. You could argue, well,
isn't that just trying to change an intangible effect? And
yet it worked, and they've got the same analytics, using
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the same analytics. They didn't change out general managers, they
didn't change out analytics teams, they didn't change out their nerdoramas.
They went with the same players, the same organizational philosophy,
and they changed the manager. And maybe it is just
an intangible thing that you really can't know what kind
of impact it's going to have, but they felt they
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were desperate and had to do something to shake things up.
I feel the Mariners are in the exact same boat
right now.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And I can see the I mean we talked about
it earlier, the nervousness or the uncertainty of how the
team will react when it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, there's always that risk. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
What would you say to that talkback? Second part though,
isn't the one constant Jerry Depoto.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, my reaction to that is, I think Jerry Depoto
has made a lot of mistakes, and I think he,
as an executive, has learned from those mistakes and made
changes over the years to his own approach. The offensive
hitting approach I criticized for a great number of years,
as Ashley knows, as Bucky knows, as anders Hurst on
(06:46):
My Stove podcast knows, get the hell out of the
way you don't know offense, and I felt he and
Justin were way too hands on with that. But at
the beginning of last season, and Jerry he admitted this
in a press conference, he stepped away from it. I mean,
certainly he's got to say on how things are done,
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and I don't know how loud that say is. But
when Kevin Seitzer and Edgar Martinez were put together, there
was this and they stated it like, I'm going to
back off of this. We're gonna hand the offense over
to those two guys and the approach at the plate.
Certainly analytics still play a part in that. But if
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Jerry Depoto got fired tomorrow, they're going to replace him
with a guy that embraces analytics. Nobody's not going to
do that, maybe not as much, but it's still going
to be part of the process. And this ties into
what I just said about the Red Sox and the Astros.
They didn't change their organizational philosophies. They didn't change midstream
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their general manager, the guy making the decisions. They changed
a manager and a couple of coaches to shake things
up to get the player's attention. And maybe it was
just an intangible roll of the dice, but it worked.
And it's because they were both in desperate situations. The
Red Sox had the worst record in baseball at the time.
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They've got like a nine hundred winning percentage since that time.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I would like that.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't know why it works, but this goes all
the way back to trader Jack McKeon taking over the
world champion Miami Marlins twenty five years ago. Just an
old grumpy fart, and he rolled in there though an
old grumpy fart had the right things to say to
the group of players to get them turned around, and
they won the World Series for goodness sake that year.
(08:37):
So there's enough evidence that it does work. And we
can discuss Jerry in another edition of Magic Mirror down
the line. As a matter of fact, I look forward
to it. But let's get back to Dan.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
All right from the two oh six. What about roster construction?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
With Cal, Julio and Naylor struggling, there's no combination of
hitters on this team that could save this team from
being dead last year in runs score.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's not Dan's fault.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, how is that roster construction? I mean, you just
said it yourself. Josh Naylor, Cal Rowley, and Julio Rodriguez
aren't hitting. Take the three best hitters away from any
team and let's see how they perform. Take Camonaro Diaz
and name the third guy away from the Tampa Bay
Rays and see how much they plummet. Like roster construction
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to me, To me, it's cheap. To me, it's un
This is about being the fairest of them all. To me,
it is unfair to say at the beginning of the
year I believe in the roster, and then when individual
players don't perform, then I'm going to say, well, this
roster stinks, right like I I and maybe I'm wrong.
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I'm bullish about this. I think the roster was fine
coming into this season. It had Vegas making us the
favorite to win the American League. It had national analysts
everywhere saying the Mariners should win the American League. It
had local people that have been critical of the Mariners
over the years saying the Mariners should win the American League.
Roster construction, to me, is was the roster set up
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to win this year. And that's where again we get
into the Jerry thing.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's why I'm not saying it has nothing to do
that I personally like Jerry or Justin over Dan might
be the opposite, is true. It is I believed in
the roster when the season began, and I still think
it's a roster worthy of.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Getting things done. Now I'll say this, I'll say this.
They this team seems to only have the ability to
win one way, and that is to hit home runs.
It's the only way we can score runs. And maybe
a lot of that does fall on roster construction. But
I would also say a lot of that falls on
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Dan Wilson. Why don't we do anything else but wait
around for the three run homer? Yeah, And I have
been very clear about this. I blame the players the most.
I don't blame Dan the most. I blame the players
the most. Right, they're underperforming, they are underperforming. But when
it's a collective, when it's the entire group, I'm gonna
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blame the manager and the coaches more than I'm gonna
blame the team that put the roster together. When I
believe in the roster, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not
gonna be a hypocrite about it. I believe in the roster.
I don't think that the roster is the problem. This
roster should have been good enough to run away with
the American League West. Jim Bowden just told this to
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us two weeks before the trading deadline. He said, the
Mariners don't have to add anything before the deadline and
they should still run away with the American League West.
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I heard that with my own two years there.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I'm not going to blame roster construction for the
way that this team underperformed this year. And I'm not
solely blaming it on Dan and the coaching staff. I'm
blaming it on the players underperforming. But who gets more
held responsible for a group of players underperforming? Is it
the guy that put them together or is it the
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guy that's around them every day and his job is
to get that group of players to play their best.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I would think it's that guy from the four two five.
My one and only reason would to keep Dan would
be with the current roster, in future players and prospects.
It would show that we will stick together the good
and the bad, show that we commit a third manager
in three years. Would make it harder if we pretend
that the front office will spend to re sign or
have a free agent want to come here, knowing we
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just recycle if it's not working. Now, I'm not saying
I agree with or I disagree with firing Dan, but
that would be my one reason to keep him continuity.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yes, tell it to the NBA, NHL.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, they just they not care about coaches.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
They will plow it over. Yes, I don't necessarily buy that,
as you might guess. This sort of to me goes
to what the player said in Ryan's article, we just
really like him. Well, I don't want you to be
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friends with your manager. That doesn't impress me. I get
that you like him. Everybody in the organization likes him,
and he's earned being liked through the way that he
conducts himself as a human being. But your manager should
not be your friend first. He should be your boss.
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And if you see him as a friend instead of
somebody whose job is to get the most out of you,
if you look to him like, man, that's a guy
that I would help have, help me move. That's a
guy I'm gonna call if ever I need a drive
home from the bar and I've had one too many.
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That's a nice attribute to have in your manager. But
it's not what I want you to say about your manager.
What I want you to say about your manager is
that's the guy that got the most out of me.
It's just like when we were in grade school and
you didn't want the teacher in the fifth grade that
you heard was tough, and then you ended up getting
that teacher in the fifth grade who was tough, and
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now you look back on it, even though you were
scared on day number one of school that he was
going to be tough, and you're like, that is one
of my favorite teachers of all time. That's what a
manager's gotta be. Not your friend. Yeah, it's the guy
that gets the most out of your circle. The players
on this roster who this year we feel the most
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was gotten out of them? Three of them on the
entire roster, Hancock, young Hand, Zone four, Randy Yeah, even then,
did you get the most out of him? Why did
we have so many incidents of him being lack Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But often been very good, very good?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Else We've gotten this from a couple people, So I
feel this one is an important one to ask you. Okay,
we get rid of Dan, who do we replace him with?
That would be my one. That's their one hesitation for
why they wouldn't want Dan fired, because who's the other option?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I mean in house, it's Maniacta. That's the obvious.
He has managerial experience and he knows the team. I
don't believe in Maniacta. Again, again, I like him a lot,
but I don't I don't necessarily believe that's the right choice.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Could you go with someone out of what you Coss
for this At this point.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You could go Alex Cora. He's available out there. I mean,
he's the guy they got rid of though in Boston
and have gone on a streak without him. He also
has astros ties, which might bother some people. There's Bruce
Bochie types. There's some veterans out there that might be
interested in the job. And I have heard I've heard
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a lot of people say, well, not a lot of people.
A couple people say that nobody wants to manage for
Jerry Depoto, even if around the league no one likes
Jerry Depoto and no one believes in Mariners ownership. There's
not a manager out there that doesn't look at this
pitching staff and this young nucleus with Kate Anderson and
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Ryan Sloan coming and Emerson and Young up the middle,
and Arroyo and Montees on the way, and an entire
starting rotation under club control right now, which is one
of the best in baseball. Like Ben Johnson passed two
full head coaching cycles in the National Football League and
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chose for the Chicago Bears, why well, it certainly wasn't
for ownership. That might be the worst ownership group in
the National Football League routinely panned and by people that
you know, and I'm not going to throw them under
the bus. People don't want to play for the mccaskeys
in Chicago. But the hottest offensive coordinator over a three
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year span waited till he had the quarterback to play
for in Caleb Williams, and he went to the Chicago
Bears without hesitance. Yeah, I see, Kevin Cash would manage here.
We might have to trade for him, and he embraces analytics.
I just want to warn you more so than Dan
Wilson does, more so than Jerry Depoto does. But that
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guy is fantastic. Steven Vote, I've heard will manage here.
They want to manage here. That's what I'm doing in
the off season. That's who I'm going at. But we're
talking about whether or not he should stay the manager now, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, And I think that that would be a lot
of people's hesitation is to get rid of him and
just have someone in house. And then there was See
the problem is this for there's a lot of people
that are still doing the Jerry thing.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
We'll get to the Jerry part of everything.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh you want this one, Well, no, I'm saying, yeah,
we'll get there, We'll do the Jerry one on this
same thing.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But as what I'm saying about Jerry making a dent
at all, I realized that there are a lot of
people that have had their pants on fire for Jerry
to Poto now for seven eight years. I mean I
even saw a tweet or a text this morning or
tweet this morning saying that we went through a ten
year rebuild. What the f are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
In year it was a.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Two year rebuild. We were two years and you went
from competitive to rebuilding for two years. One of those
was a shortened year, and then had a winning record
by the third year, and we're a playoff team by
the fourth. What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think it's just like every year lasts forever.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I think some people came in so hard on Jerry
that they have to hate Jerry, and you attach so
many things to Jerry, like how could you be angry
at Jerry because the PR staff has a Jimothy Knight?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I know, because that stuff doesn't make sense. Nobody can
separate those things. I will say that the one thing
we're seeing a lot of is well, Jerry wants a
yes man, so he's only going to hire someone who's
going to agree with everything.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh, I'm so glad this point came up. I'm so
glad this point, this point had to come up. Dan
Wilson makes the lineup and Dan Wilson makes the end
game decisions. Does the front office influence him before every game? Yes,
just like every front office in Major League Baseball does.
(19:36):
There are no old school managers that don't that get
away without meeting with the nerderama and the big stat
packet and they all have conversations. There's a meeting between
Pete Woodworth, cal Rawley, the starting pitcher, and Dan Wilson
before every single game. And that's information on high that
is coming down that they discuss. Every organization does this now?
(20:00):
And then the other thing that I would say about this,
if that really is just a yes man. First of all,
Scott Service will punch in the face if he thought
you thought he was just a yes man for eight
years here. But if Dan Wilson really just took the
job because he wanted the job and he just says
whatever you say, Jerry, shame on Dan Wilson. Do you
(20:21):
think I think higher of Dan Wilson. If I'm to
believe that rhetoric, that he only does what Jerry tells
him to do, I think so much less of Dan Wilson,
and I'm critical enough of him. But if that really
is true, that he just gets a speech before because
he's not sitting down there on a phone, he's not
(20:43):
sitting down there looking at his watch, there's no communication
in the game. So if he spends every game just well,
this is what Jerry wants me to do, then I
don't think any higher of Dan Wilson. I think far
less of Dan. Dan the man be a man, But
I don't believe that's true. I think Jerry and Justin
(21:04):
are very influential on the decisions that are made on
a day to day basis. I don't argue that, and
maybe too much so still to this day. But I
also believe, because I've been told by all three parties
and the rest of you are just making this up.
Do you haven't asked Justin Hollander to his face. I've
(21:25):
asked him on the air and off the air, who
makes the lineup decisions? Who makes the in game decisions?
And he laughs and he says, the lineup is Dan's
and there is no way that we are discussing with
him in game decisions. He laughs about it. Now, if
you want to believe that he's lying to me, then
(21:46):
go ahead and do it. But I know I've done
one thing more than any of you out there that
are making this suggestion. You've never asked Justin, Jerry or
Dan this question. I have, so maybe they're lying to me.
I'm naive, but I have asked it of the three
pillars in the organization, and they all tell me Dan
(22:07):
makes the lineup. Dan's in game decisions all influenced on
high by the Nerderama led by Jerry Depoto and Justin Hollander.
I am not denying that they don't influence Dan's in
game decisions, but once they've had their say before the game,
it's Dan's call for the rest of the game. I
(22:29):
don't know how much clearer I can make then.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh that was clear?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
All right? Great stuff?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean I had fun.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I liked it. I like it when our listeners participate too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I love it. I love it, And the more we
do it, the more I want to hear from you.
We'll open up the phone lines in the future, And
I promise next week, because we're going to do it
again next week, I will make it all about Jerry.
That's my promise, since we couldn't have a discussion about
Dan without bringing up Jerry. And I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, it does because a lot of I mean, they
are very intertwined.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
All right. Coming up next, Mike McDonald his thoughts Ontari
and Arnold. Are the Seahawks really interested in this guy?
It sounds like they are. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM really happy with Magic Mirror.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I thought it was great. People are very excited for
the Jerry segment next week.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh we're gonna do Yeah, you might have to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Make it more than one segment next week. I'm just
warning you.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Tire hour.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We'll do a tire hour there you go. Come up
with a bunch of magic songs, a bunch of mirror songs.
You can do magic, You can do anything that you desire.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
True, Yeah, it's true. Thanks America.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know, want to know why? Tell me why, Chuck,
Because you're the one that can put out the fire.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
With your sister Golden just gonna go through a different America.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So yeah, let's just jump to another one. Yeah, it's
Ashley a chuck with you. And look, Breg Bell and
I clearly don't agree about baseball. But one thing we
do agree about is this Terryan Arnold thing. And not
that you know we're entire I mean, I'm not gonna
speak on athem. Not that there's not a scenario out
there that maybe some of the information is grossly misrepresented.
(24:28):
Maybe maybe the authorities have no case. Maybe Terry and
Arnold is a victim of mistaken identity like apparently the
victims were. I'm not closing myself off to any kind
of possibility out there of the future. And I'm also
not closing myself off of the possibility that it's still
(24:49):
not within John Schneider to say talent comes first. I
got a chance to get a first round young cornerback
for league minimum salary, and I think our PR team
can spin it. You forgave me for Frank Clark, You'll
forgive me for Terry and Arnold. I think there's probably
that little bit of a rascal and John Schneider that
(25:10):
just might not be able to resist if he gets
a chance to get a talent like Terry and Arnold
for League minimum. Where Greg and I agree is it
just doesn't feel like a Mike McDonald thing. It doesn't
feel like something Mike McDonald would go along with. I've
seen John do it. But since Mike McDonald came into
town the last couple of years, man, it just feels
(25:31):
like character has been a much played a much bigger
role in who the Seahawks bring into this organization, be
it draft pick, free agent, trade acquisition. And so it
is surprising that they're kicking the tires when this story
is so sensational and so potentially wrought with just disaster.
(25:54):
But Mike McDonald is in. He's got his hand in
the middle on this. Here. He was yesterday talking about
Terry and Arnold after practice.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Well it's enough right now. We had him in for
a great visit, a great tryout. It's you know, it's
a situation where there's there's some there's other things that
are surrounding it as well. We're aware of that, but uh,
we're we're working through the situation right now. You know,
there's but uh there's a great visit. I really really
enjoyed medium and I think I think he enjoyed being here,
(26:24):
so we'll see where it goes a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Evaluate situations like that where there's lots the other stuff
going on and he's got appolt you you work.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Really hard to build and just make sure you protect that. Well.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
We're going to do our due diligence, and there's a
lot of people in Terryon's corner that that we respect
on in terms of the type of guy is. So
we're gonna work through all that and I think we
I trust our people to make the best decision for us,
and we also think this is a great place to
come work too, and that people can be the best
(26:55):
verson themselves if given the opportunity. So kind of works
both ways.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Mike mc donald yesterday, whenever Mike kind of backed something,
you can't help. But Okay, I guess, I guess I'm
all the ears. I'm not. You're not not at all.
Doesn't sound like Ashley Ryan type guy.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No, and it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I mean, I don't want to convict him before he's
been found guilty of this situation. But that is a
lot of drama that I don't think you need. You're
You've already got people gunning for you this year. You
are the defending Super Bowl champions. You don't need to
add something that's going to be a distraction. And on
top of that, before this legal issue, we have heard
that he's not the best teammate. What have we done
(27:35):
with people who weren't the best teammates or who caused
issues or outbursts on the field? Reek Wolla no longer here,
DK Metcalf no longer here. He doesn't tolerate it. So
I don't know why this guy would be a fit.
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean the Lions walked away fast. Yeah, if
anyone would have had the reason to like as much
as they had invested to say, okay, can we let
the process play itself?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yes? And no one would blame them for that, right
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, can we let the process play itself out and
then we'll make the best decision for the organization. They
cut him like immediately, and I don't think they would
have done that if they believed his story. And my
guess is they don't believe his story because they know
his character, right, So I mean I'm reading a lot
into that. No, But yeah, I'm supposed to be the
fairest of them all, and that feels a little unfair
(28:24):
right there, but that is my read of the situation.
I mean, Dan Campbell's a football bite off knee caps.
I mean, we're losing our grip on our status as
Super Bowl contender. They would be I think the last
team that will want to give up on a third year,
first round pick cornerback, especially when their secondary has gotten
devastated each of the last two years and probably kept
(28:47):
them from getting to the super Bowl. And here are
the Lions. As soon as they heard the story the
next day, you are out and then all of the
other stories about his character started to come out as well.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, And that's what you have to think right in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And if he is a team leader, if he is
the glue in the locker room, if he is all
of these things that are important to their team's success,
they wouldn't have been so quick to dismiss him. But
you start hearing those stories after and I think you
think to yourself, okay, so take away the legal stuff.
Do we want a guy on our team that would
be dropped so quickly? And now we're hearing all these
(29:20):
things that he's not that great in the locker room.
Why would we want that regardless of his legal issues.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Huh. I think you and Greg and I are all
on the same page. It just doesn't feel Mike mcdonaldy,
and I want you as an organization to be as
Mike mcdonaldy as possible. Yes, please, it works.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, it's done well for us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But he is at least he is at least even
if he doesn't even if he doesn't, isn't sure he
likes it. He's smart enough to say other people in
the organization do. This guy might end up on our
team depends on what we hear, how this thing unfolds.
And I'm certainly not going to say we don't have
room in our organization for a guy I like this,
(30:01):
So that seems to be the approach that Mike's taking.
Also would like to point out Hawk blogger, you were
being very nosy, uh, and Baby, I think you should
get fined for crying in the middle of Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Process, being all loud and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We don't let Bob Condota do that if he started
crying in the middle of a press conference. Why would
we let that, baby.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's a very valid question. You're just being fair, You're
asking fair questions.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Exactly. Bob Candota is a professional. That's why he's been
on the beat for so long. That's why he's so
good at his job. He just started crying in the
middle of Mike McDonald's answers. How long would he have
his job? Think about that, baby?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Not very long time.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Next time you want to ruin a piece of audio,
you better want to check yourself, all right? Coming on
next a preview of tonight's series at Yankee Stadium Sports
Radio ninety three point three KHRFM.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
We are going to go in and all our dreams
are going to come true when we sweep the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I've always said to Alisha Cage, You're full of crap. Eh,
it's a big liar. You know, if you rearrange the
letters and Alicia Keys, you can spell lie a lot like.
I don't think that's true. But Mariners in New York
(31:19):
taking on the Yankees. So not only do the Mariners
have to go on a bit of a heater here,
they're going to have to do it against some really
good competition, but the New York Yankees. To provide you
a preview for tonight, not exactly the same team that
we've been led to believe that they are. Every year.
They're a little overrated. Even here in town. People get
(31:41):
a little carried away with how much better the Yankees
are than the Mariners. I'm not sure they really are
on paper, but they do have a record fifteen games
over five hundred. Then again, they are playing without arguably
their two best players. Aaron Judge has been on the
injury list since mark May thirty first, and he's not
going to return in the next three days. Cody Bellinger
(32:03):
has also been on the is on the injured list
right now, and he's not going to return in the
next three days. Since May thirty first, when Aaron Judge
did go on the jury list, this team has gone
thirty and twenty nine since that time. So this has
they're sixty six and fifty two. I should say, now
I forgot. I've called up a box score from two
(32:23):
days ago because I was looking up what kind of
lineup they threw against Chris Sale. So sixty six and
fifty two. Now on the season, they've gone thirty and
twenty nine since Aaron Judge went down, So still better
than the Mariners have been since that time. But a
five hundred team in essence without Judge and probably a
little worse than that without Judge and Bellinger. So that
(32:47):
is one thing that is one feather in your cap
as you get ready to think about your odds starting
tonight at Yankee Stadium. Now they have addressed some of that.
Because we had a trading deadline. Of course, we had
Taylor Ward to our lineup. They added two bats to
their lineup. They added Luis Garcia, who was having an
all star season for the Washington Nationals. And they added
(33:09):
Elliott Ramos, who's a good hitter, not a great hitter,
but a good hitter from the San Francisco Giants. And
lo and behold, Aaron Boone is not monkeyed around on
this thing. He's put them third and fourth in their lineup,
Third and fourth. That's when they face right handers. See,
this is the most lefty dominant team, Like we struggle
(33:31):
the most against lefties. But if you want to face
the Yankees, man, they throw out a parade of left
handed hitters. Here was their lineup last night. Trent Grisham
left handed, Ben Rice left handed, Elliott Ramos, who I
just mentioned, so before they were they were having a
left handed hitter in the lineup, but he's a right
(33:52):
handed hitter. Luis Garcia left handed, Jazz Chisholm left handed,
Spencer Jones left handed, George Lombard hit seventh, or a
rookie that just got called up. He does hit right handed.
So again, a couple of adjustments that they've made so
they're not so lefty vulnerable. Ryan McMahon hits eight left handed,
Austin Wells the catcher hits ninth left handed, and then
(34:15):
a couple of days ago they were a team that
was even more lefty dominant in their lineup. Now that
sounds like great news to a team that has left
handed starting pitching. We do not not a single one. Yeah,
never really have had one. It feels like since Marco
(34:36):
Gonzalez we had a lefty starting pitcher. I don't know.
I think I might activate Kate Anderson. I think we're
like desperation mode here are we not? And if they've
got such a lefty dominant lineup, hell, let's see if
Kate Anderson can handle his debut. We have to win.
You're facing the Yankees at Yankee Stadium. Here's the ball, kid,
(34:59):
show us what you can do. I mean, please, But
obviously they are a team that is a little vulnerable
to left handers, and we don't have a starter that's
left handed, and we do have a couple of relievers,
thank goodness, Gavee Spires going to be back, but Jose
Ferreyre is gonna have to pitch better because I think
we're gonna have to lean on those two guys pretty
(35:20):
heavily over the course of the next three days, and
that's still is not going to cover all of your bases.
They'll take out McMahon, Chisholm and Grisham against lefties, and
they might do the same thing with Luis Garcia, but
we just don't have the chips to play to cause
that sort of change that makes them weaker in their lineup.
(35:43):
So we're gonna have to go at their best that
they have available to them, and we're gonna have to
do it with our right handed pitching over the course
of the next three days. We have no choice.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I don't I don't feel great about that, Chuck, Ye
not gonna lie, But weird are things that happened just
when we think this team is.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you never know, no doubt. And then the other
aspect of it, of course, we are also vulnerable against
left handers more so than what the Yankees are, and
we will face two of three the next three days.
Max Freed will pitch in Game three. Ryan Weathers will
pitch tonight. Both good to great left handed pitchers those guys,
and then we don't exactly face some chump in the
(36:24):
middle even though he is right handed and Will Warren,
so I guess to summarize also lefty vulnerable, but we
don't have the matchups like they do in our pitching
staff to take advantage of that. And then the second
thing I would say is that they are judgeless and bellingerless,
and that doesn't make them nearly as scary as typically
(36:46):
they are to face, especially at home. They are a
five hundred team since Aaron Judge went down with his
injury and all of their starting pitching getting healthy has
not really helped the cause as much as they thought
it would. Be thirty and twenty nine since May thirty first,
which makes them pretty damn average.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, average, but average is better than us. So we
need to step up.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh sure, definitely have to step up, no choice, have
to step up, have to start winning tonight and have
to get Brian wu tonight to get over his road woes,
because if you start hanging pitches or are not getting
it to that top rail with your fastball, they that
entire lineup that I just went down, they will crush you.
(37:30):
There's not a guy in that lineup that can't just
take you deep on any pitch. I mean, that is
the one thing about the New York Yankees. They always
have sluggers, all right. Coming up next, Ryan Healil join us.
We'll get his thoughts on the Yankee series and so
much more, including why he got shown up on the
home run derby by a pitcher. Sports Radio ninety three
(37:52):
point three KJARFM
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