August 7, 2026 • 35 mins
TORY HORTON sits down with Chuck. He’s dealt with a lot of injuries over the last few years; how difficult has that been to deal with? How special is it having Cooper Kupp on this team as a leader and mentor? :30- ABC’s of the Mariners - M is for MVP: tonight we face the Tampa Bay Rays and Junior Caminero… - N is for Not There as in Dan Wilson was not there yesterday, so we can’t pin the 11-0 loss on him… or can we? - O is for Offense: yeah, we can talk about Dan’s issues, but the big problem is the lack of offense. :45- Sup with you? The Mariners are celebrating the top 50 Mariners players this weekend, so we have to ask- who are the worst Mariners players of all time?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, seven o'clock hour here from the Virginia Mason
Athletic Center, Seahawks training camp continuing here today and joining
us live at our set. Second year wide receiver out
of Colorad OH State teammate a splash last year with
this football team, and then we didn't get to see
him sadly enough for a little while, and so it's
time to get caught up to date with Tory Horton
(00:25):
here on the radio program. How you doing man, Welcome
to the morning show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing great, man, appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, great to have you. Great to get to know
you a little bit, and I would just start off.
I don't want to bury the lead. I know a
lot of people want to know about your health. Want
to make sure Tory Horton is one hundred percent ready
to go, So give us an update.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, you know, I'm feeling great. Body's feeling good. Everything
is feeling you know, in line and tack. So I
like the trans a great plan and you know, just
been following that plan. So I feel great out there
on the field and you know, just a lot of
hard work. So yeah, I'm feeling good, ready to go.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Good. Well, I know when the first day of camp
you became quite a big stories out here on the field,
he's practicing, and then the next day you didn't, and
then people are like, oh, then they're a little worried.
But that's part of the process, right, like your first
time out there for a while. They just that's part
of the rehab, is just to make sure they're not
pushing you too hard, give you that rest after an
(01:20):
active day. Is that is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's just kind of a little bit of like
a repcount that they have going on, just making sure
they've been extra cautious of you know what, you know,
how much is too much and just seeing how the
body reacts and not fly strict and his staffs is
doing the you know, have a great plan for that,
and you know it's been working, and nobody's just been
(01:42):
feeling no real good and it just feels great going
into the season.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, fans get frustrated when they don't get to
see a player play football, and sometimes they can be
mean and nasty and everything else. But give us the
perspective of where you're coming from, Like you don't think
I want to be out there on the football I mean,
you you at your in your college career, you had
a major injury set back and you didn't get to
do some of the things that I know you wanted
(02:08):
to achieve as a Colorado State ram and then you
make this great splash, this great impression, and then all
of a sudden you're battling another injury. How frustrating has
that been for you here over the course of the
last two three years of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, you know, it's real hard.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
You know, just uh, you know, all you want to
do is be on the field, you know, performing and play.
And you know the injury from you know Colorado, Uh
that was that was unfortunate, and you know sometimes you
just have to take your time to get back into
you know, into your full potential.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And you know, of course last year was a little
bit of a russ.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Getting back, so you know, who know that that could
have been, you know, a starting point to you know
the other injury that you know that popped up out
of nowhere, and uh, you know, I just feel like
you just got to be you know, sometimes real cautious
of how you approach things and be real smart and mentally,
you know, to on how you attack each day. Especially
for the recovery days and just having a good mindset
(03:05):
and mental uh, you know, going ahead of these things.
So uh, you know, it's such a bummer not being
out there performing, and you know.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I wouldn't want to, you know, be.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sitting out Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I understand how the fans do and know the
people in the outside the world feeling, but.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know we feel the same way here. You know,
we wish we were on the field. So sure, it's
it's a lot of you know, it's a lot of
thoughts going through when you uh, not able to go
out there.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, Tory Horton is with US Seahawks wide receiver, second
year uh in the league, and look, I I will
get the hard knocks in a moment. But I heard
Spoons say on the first episode of Hard Knocks, like
when you get that first taste of confidence at the
professional level, it is so important. It unlocks something. You
not only got a taste of it. I mean you
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showed last year I can play at this level, I
can score touchdowns, I can return kicks. What did that
do for your comment? Vidential as a football player to have,
even though it was for a shorter period of time,
than you preferred, but to have that much success that
reassured that you belong in this league and can be
a productive player.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, I just feel like you just gotta be consistent,
you know, just having that consistent approaching mindset to practices
and games.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And even in the meeting room.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I feel like that's what makes it easier on game days,
is just having that consistent approach, being on top of
the on top of the game, the plays and the
film work, and you know, taking that to the field
and with so much practice and how we practice here,
sometimes it makes the game feel you know, slowed down
just a tad bit just because of how you know
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intense we go at practice.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And you know, I feel like I just.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Try to keep my mindset and my mental on being
consistent on each play and uh, you know, just each
situation and let that take take control throughout the game,
you know, not trying to you.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Know overdo or you know, change up something.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Just letting my preparation and you know, my just just
my hard work take you know, take that jump to
the to the game from practice, and you know, once
you get in there, I f like all the nerves
start to chill because it's like, hey, we've we've been
here before, We've practiced this before, and shoot, we had
one of the best defense in the league, the best
defense in the league. So it's like, you know, if
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I'm out here competing against these guys every day, you know,
that's that's great looks for me going into you know,
the preseason into the regular season. You know, our defense practice,
you know, they practice the ass off every day and
it's it's tough looks and you know, I f like
Mike does a great job with the defense. So you know,
just going against them every day, it's like that iron
stop ands iron. So going into that preseason game day,
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you kind of just got to take every you know,
just just every day that you've been preparing to the game,
and you know, just having that you know, that preparation
and just that consistent mindset going into the game, telling yourself,
you know, I've been here, I've seen these plays, I've
seen these kind of looks, and just laying your game
take over at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But just spoon half talk as much as he does
on the football field, huh.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He you know he don't, but yeah, yeah, we we
we love that though. You know, he's a he's a
real competitor man. He gets everyone going. You know, he
talks trash to us. And then you know when when
he gets b r like something happens that you know,
we we get a good jump on him. You know,
he's not he's not afraid to be like you got
(06:24):
me on now when we're gonna strap up and we're
gonna get to the next rep.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you know that's what you gotta love about him.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, he's gonna he's gonna be you know, he's
gonna he's gonna uh respect, respect the little l's that
he may take at practice and be like you know
that that that ain't no real l That's just a
learning curve for me because I did this or I
did that, and you know, just me coming in my
my rookie year, I went against him a few times
and it was even times where he was coaching me
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up on you know, just certain indicators and things like
that on what he's looking for. And you know what
I MA gave gave a way to give him a
better edge and just something that you know, hearing from
a vet and just a guy like him, I try
to take from him and implement that into my game
to try to, you know, not show so much of
that of what a dB is looking for. And I
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feel like he helps out a lot with you know,
just just great looks and disguises on defense, and you
know he's just all around competitor. So you know, going
against him, man, he's making everyone better and just a
trash talk. You know, you get a lot of trash
talk throughout the league. But yeah, I don't know if
anyone trash talks like Spoon. Man, he gets it going.
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You know, he'll be he'll be quiet, he'll be quiet
through the day and then it'd be one little thing
that you may have did our our or try to
do on him, and there you go, he fired up,
and you know that's that's what get everyone going. So
you need someone like Spoon out there who's gonna, you know,
get you right mentally and physically. So yeah, it's it's all.
It's all kodles to him. Much respect for him.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let's talk about another of your teammates, because we've heard
Jay sent and interviewed a lot about how much Cooper
Cupp has helped his game. But he's not the only
one out there. He's not the only receiver He's not
the only guy in the wide receiver room that I'm
sure Cooper Cupp is helping become as great a player
as they possibly can be. Talk about that because that
certainly has stood out a lot about his game.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, you know, just the way Coop approaches every day.
You know this is uh he he is that coach
on the field. You know, he he knows everything. Just
when Coop speaks, everyone is real quiet and everyone listens,
you know U And with the year Jack's had even
to this day, during camping things like that, it's when
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Koop speaks, everyone is is is quiet in his all
ears because he just has so much knowledge and just
hitting nuggets in the game that that helps all the
receivers take their game to the next level, even if
it's from slight adjustments to just you know, looking at
a route from lead through his vision and eyes because
(09:02):
of a defense. You know, that's just something that you
want from a vet like that. And you know Jackson
is you know, Jackson has all the capability in the
world to go out there and perform, but he still
is that student of the game.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
When when Coop is out there.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know, coaching up or saying you know, hey, I'm
I probably would have did it like this with this
kind of look, and you could just tell how, you know,
in sync and just how like Spongy the whole receiver
room is when Coop is speaking that that life into
us and you know, you could see Coop out here
is still you know, with that mindset of him trying
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to learn himself, just the way he's attacking the meetings
and things like that, like he's always still asking questions
and sometimes I'm in the meetings, like Coop Man, there's
no reason for you to be asking these questions because
we know you know this. And sometimes it's just him
asking that question for the other the other guys to hear,
because maybe it's some of the other rooks who don't
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want to ask that question. But it's like Coop will
ask that, are you know, tell tell the coach can
he rehit that? For the other you know, for the
other players who's probably you know, a little more afraid
to ask those questions, and you just tell like he
he loves the game so much, and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He comes out here and they ready to work.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
He's still he's getting great plays left and right, and
you know it's a lot of it's a lot of
us receivers who still goes to Coop and Jackson. She
just asking them guys like, man, what's what y'all doing
on these plays? How y'all attacking this? And you know
what you feel like is working when you know it's
it's someone playing this kind of technique and you know
they give you every hit and nugget that you could
(10:37):
possibly ask for.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Soak up all that gravy. I mean, you might not
have another teammate like this, you know, get that knowledge now,
and then all of a sudden you pass that on
someday to the next rookie that is coming up. Hell,
I could use a Cooper Cup in my life. He
should just sit here and say, you know, you should
have probably talked about this. Oh yeah, And she will
on the Mariners. You know he will.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
To man even last year, Man, we used to break
the huddle.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He used to tug me by my jersey, moving me,
move me into the right spot.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm like, dang, come here, He's like, no.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's the it's the precise details of what you need
to be aligned and just things like that, and you
know that's just something that you don't really get from
you know, a lot of a lot of players invests,
and you know, I'm just just grateful to have him
in the room.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Man. He is like that golden nugget that every receiver
room should have or need.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I have a feeling it's in the cafeteria, like you
know what the salisbury steak was a little off. Uh,
maybe maybe you go a little light on their salt.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He is.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is on top of his.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Peanut butter in there. I mean, we could really take
this to the next level. Uh. Well, man, have a
great year. Thanks for stopping by. It was fun talking
to you, and we'll do it again soon. I about that.
Appreciate you all right, Tory Harton joining us right here
on our set Seahawks training camp. Yeah, great conversation here
with Tory Horton. Not a thousand more questions for him,
(12:01):
but the guy's got to get the practice for goodness sake,
and so we appreciate him to stop it by here
and joining us here on the morning show. So wide
receiver situation the wide Receiver room really good one. And
it's a topic that I don't know if other shows
other analysts are bringing up as much as I am,
(12:21):
but yeah, I do believe that there is a bigger
role out there for Tory Horton. But I also, as
I've repeated many times, I think there's a bigger role
out there for Aj Barner, and I think that there's
a bigger role out there for Edwin Royo, and I
think that there's or excuse me, Elijah Royo, I think
that there's a bigger role out there. It sounds like
(12:43):
for running backs in the passing game. And yet I
don't want Cooper Cup's numbers to drop. I think there might.
I mean, the talk around here is the Cooper Cup
looks fantastic, like better than he did a year ago
at this time, not as a leader, not as a
coach on the feet, but as a football player. And
then you ad JSN, who I guess two days ago
(13:04):
just dominated practice. So something sort of has to give
in all of this. I don't think that this team
under Brian Flurry is planning to go to a forty
pass attack kind of game playing this upcoming season to
try to keep everybody satisfied. I mean, not all of
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these things can improve, not all of these things can grow.
Not all of these players are going to get more
targets and more looks than what they did a year ago.
It's got to come from somewhere, and I can't wait.
And then you got Rashichia heat of course, seventeen million dollars.
You're not planning on him just being a kick returner.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
What is his role?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How is it going to get expanded now that he's
had a full offseason in the program? I mean, I
think it's one of the most fascinating, if not the
most fascinating topic on how this is going to unfold
for the offense. Obviously, the math suggests if you're going
to get X, Y, and Z more targets, then you're
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going to have to subtract them from V and W.
And so who are those V and W? I mean,
the obvious person would be JSN with one hundred and
twenty catches for goodness sake a year ago. But as
I spoke with Greg Bell about yesterday, that's also your
best wide receiver and the guy with the best chemistry
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with your quarterback. And I know that if I mean,
I know enough about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
This game, I'll not to be Hugh Millen to be able.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
To tell you that if a quarterback drops back and
things are tight he's going to go to a security blanket.
He's going to be Linus with that security blanket, and
Linus being Sam that security blanket. Where's number eleven in
this organization?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And so I don't think that's going to change either.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I would assume.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, mathematically it sounds like, well, if you're going to
find other catches and targets for everybody else, well then
they got to come away from the guy that had
one hundred and twenty catches and one hundred and sixty
targets a year ago. But I don't think that that
is one plus one equals to Ashley. I mean, he's
still our best receiver. I still want him to get
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the ball a lot, and when it's crunch time, it's
a crucial situation. It's a third and six. I have
a feeling Sam Darnold, no matter what the game plan is,
no matter what the idea was in the offseason to
get such X player or why player more catches, he's
gonna throw to number eleven because he knows he's the
most reliable freak on the universe.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, and I think going into last year we would
have said like, oh yeah, we could see them spreading
the ball around more and more. But after the season
that JSN had and now the expectations being even higher,
I think in general, for what he can deliver and
what Sam and him can deliver together, I wouldn't expect
Sam to be throwing to anyone else. I mean, I
know in the game, but I'm saying in those and
those big moments, like what you're saying, I don't, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I would.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think they will because they're going to surprise us,
and you know what, you never know what Brian Fleury
has up his sleeve, and obviously the offense. You know,
we've got a lot of talented players, and I think
every team is going to expect that he'd be throwing
to JSN. So I'm sure we'll see some surprises, but
I would assume that's always going to be first look.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I well, if not first look, certainly first in mind,
Like I know, I'm I need a play. I'm gonna
see if Eleven's open, and he's almost always open, So
why would I throw to someone else? And they might
be having conversations as a team in the wide receiver
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room in the quarterback room about like I think we
can be more complete if we do spread the ball
around to more people. But I have a failing Chsn's like, well, oh,
I think we were pretty complete last year. Yeah, well
we won the Super Bowl Offensive Player.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Over here. Hey, hey, everybody, I don't need to catch
fewer I don't think it's necessary that I catch fewer
balls than what I caught a year ago. So you know,
you can give a Michael Jordan's speech about how, hey,
Michael Jordan, he didn't become a champion until he learned
that everybody else has to become involved in the offense. Well,
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Jsn's argument to that is, I'm not saying I'm Michael Jordan,
but we won a Super Bowl. We've already become a
champion doing it this way. So ah, I'm not trying
to take food out of my teammates' mouths, but I
don't think the solution is to take it out of mine.
When it worked as well as it did a year ago.
If it happens, it happens. I mean, JSN had plenty
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of games last year where maybe he had three, well,
not plenty. He had a couple where he had three
four catches and was asked about that afterwards. And he said,
I don't care we won the football game. I know
that's the way he operates. But I'll tell you this.
If I'm JSN and you're trying to get the ball
to other guys and you lose a game, I think,
maybe not to the media, but maybe I behind closed
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doors say hey, you know what, we don't have to
get the ball to other guys. I mean you, we
did pretty well getting the ball to me, so let's
not hurt the offense just because we're trying to make
a point of feeding the rock to others. I'm not
saying I'm Michael Jordan, but get you still get Michael
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Jordan the ball when the game is on the line. Yes,
he still got the ball every time down the court.
So you know, you don't have to give me fewer
catches this upcoming season. That's how I'd feel if I
were him, you know, I would agree. I would.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I would absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
All right, ABC's of the m's coming your way next.
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. Just let
it be our guide. We left off yesterday at the
letter m M is for MVP. Tonight against the Tampa
Bay Rays, We're going up against Junior camon who is
right there in the MVP conversation in the American League,
(19:05):
it's probably either he or Jordan Alvarez. That's probably your
top two candidates at this point. And unfortunately, both the
Rays and the Astros, if the season ended today are
a playoff team, so that'd be quite a vote. But
Camonaro with ridiculous power. We faced him just a couple
of weeks ago. We know how dangerous he is, and
(19:25):
so that is going to be a crucial matchup tonight
for Logan Gilbert and throughout the weekend. Yep, we are
facing basically the guy, one of the two guys primarily
in the American League MVP conversation. But I also bring
this up for another reason. The National League MVP conversation
really started to heat up this week. Show A Otani
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versus PCA Pete crow Armstrong of the Chicago Cubs. They
faced off against one another a little bit earlier this week,
and Pete crow Armstrong and show A both hit two
home runs in the con test and it kind of
launched this conversation throughout the course of the week as
to how we're going to measure these two against one another.
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If they keep up this pace. Because show Hey got
back to pitching this year, and even though he hasn't
pitched a lot, he's only pitched I think, eighty five
innings and fourteen starts this year, and right now his
pitching game is on the shelf. He still has pitched,
which Pete crow Armstrong is not going to get to
pitch this year, and so Pete crow Armstrong's resume, though
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it is a little bit differently, and to me, I
think that there's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
A very easy way for a voter.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm not saying to come up with the conclusion, but
this is what you have to measure, and this is
what I think I'm missing from the MVP conversations that
are being held in the National League this week, and
that is it's very simple. The offensive numbers are pretty
similar across the board. So it really comes down to
what do you think is more valuable starting pitcher who's
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made fourteen starts this year but hasn't really been available
to his team versus, you know, for the entire season
as a pitcher, versus a Gold Glove maybe the best
defensive player in Major League Baseball playing every day. And
if that sounded slanted, like I'm leaning toward PCA, then
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I'm really not. I think that, but that is the
crux of the conversation. That is how I think this
is ultimately going to be decided, and we have two
more months of baseball to decide it. But that's that's
how you're going to have to weigh it. What's more
valuable a Gold Glove centerfielder that's playing every day and
contributing that to his playoff caliber team or a guy
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that freakishly not only is one of the best hitters
in the sport but also one of the best pitchers
in the sport when he's available. So that's what the
voters are going to have to measure, and is for
not there, as in Dan Wilson was not there yesterday.
So I suppose we can't blame eleven to nothing on
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Dan Wilson yesterday if he was not there. And yet
can we because obviously this is a team that, you know,
where is that consistent play, where's that consistent fire? And
if they can't drum it up on their own, why
is the coaching staff not drumming it up? As you know,
as everybody knows coming out of the All Star break,
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I called for Dan Wilson's job right out of the
All Star break. I did not get my way. They
did not listen to me. He is still the manager,
and I'm assuming he's going to be at least through
this weekend when he's named one of the top fifty
players in Mariner history. But it will be interesting to
see if this team continues to stumble, if they'll try
(22:52):
to save it with a managerial change. Ashley Scott Servis
was fired on the twenty second of August, so we
are still two weeks away from the moment that they
chose to fire Scott's service and then under Dan Wilson,
a new voice, a new leader, the team rallied and
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missed the playoffs by one game. I don't think it's
too late to make this decision, and it could end
up saving the season, although I doubt that they're going to. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
I mean, we've got a lot of texts of people
who are like, they're just waiting till after the fiftieth celebrations,
So there are a lot of people in that boat
that think that they couldn't do it and then have
him back for the fiftieth celebration, which I agree would
be super awkward. Do I think that's a reason to
keep a manager. No, But I also am not surprised
by it, So I wouldn't be surprised if the weekend ends.
(23:45):
If I mean, if they sweep the Rays, I don't
think it'll happen, But if they have a bad weekend,
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I don't I totally agree with your point. I think
you could and maybe and I obviously this come from me,
though I think you should. I don't think they will.
But will they make the move in the offseason because
some people believe that he's just locked in until he
doesn't want to do it anymore because of his value
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within the organization. Hey there's Mike, there's coach, coach McDonald
walk into the field. Yeah. Yeah, And so maybe they
wait to the offseason. Larry Stone just said on Softy
Show earlier this week, if they don't make the playoffs,
he doesn't see how they could bring Dan Wilson back
next year. Jerry Brewer yesterday on the Softy and Fame
(24:37):
radio program went even further. He said, if the eighth
best manager, not even the best manager, the eighth best manager,
I just think he just picked a random number and
Baseball was managing this team, they'd be in first place.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It was a bold statement, a great statement. I'd take
it further. I think the eighty eighth.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I mean, there are more than eight managers in baseball,
some of them not even in the job, that are
better at Dan Wilson at managing a Major League Baseball team.
I mean, there are guys out there that are better.
You just gotta find that guy. There are coaches out
there that would have done a better job with this
team than what he's done. And there are a lot
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more than just eight of the active managers in Major
League Baseball. I mean there's thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight,
eighty eight. Like I said, there are a lot of
guys that I think would have gotten the job done
better this year and would have this team in first
place this year. And then I would add on to
that that something that I think that might be considered
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by this team. I think you could go out and
get Kevin Cash from the Tampa Bay Race who were
facing this weekend. Kevin Cash, who's considered one of the best,
and he's an analytics guy, and he's also a player
friendly guy, and yet his.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Teams always seem to produce, do they not?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And he is young, and he's funny, and he's got
a great personality, and he's got a lot going for him.
I mean he's sort of the he's like one of
the two or three, like one of the most. Stephen
Vote is another one that we let get out of
our our way, out of our organization. I mean, I'd
be willing to trade a player. I'm willing to go
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Randy Win for Loop Panella on bringing in a Kevin
Cash or a Steven Vote. Don't sit around and wait
for them to like, uh, try to attract a guy
you know to your organization. Go hand pick the best
guy who I think would come here and take this
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pitching staff and take this young nucleus. I think I
think Kevin Cash would run to Seattle, uh to manage
this team. Now, I don't know him personally. Maybe I'm
maybe I'm way out on left field on this, but
I would consider it. I'd deeply consider it this offseason.
If you don't want to waste a group that you
think is incredibly talented and should be competing for championships
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right now and yet are four games under five hundred.
If you are Justin and Jerry and John, and you
don't want to waste this group, this nucleus, this foundation
in its championship window. Then go out and force the issue.
Go get one of the elite managers out there, and
let's see what Kevin Cash can do with this roster
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next year. Okay, yeah, I mean you can't get him now, I.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Know, but I'm gonna put my hands in and we're
all gonna break and say.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Cash, Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, he's he's got a job now and he's gonna
see that through the end. But this offseason, why not
finally os for offense? And you know, I can sit
here and talk about Dan and I'm and not be
impressed with him as a manager and an inspirer of men.
But I will say he is not the problem. He
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is not the biggest problem. It is the offense. But
once you but but I will say, you can't fire
the entire offense. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Some people would want to, And.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So I do kind of blame I certainly blame the
manager more than I do the front office.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And so I would say it is part of his responsibility.
If you've been this lackluster for four months, and you
know you have the talent to be better than this.
That it is sort of it does sort of fall
at your feet that your job is to make your
team better than what there they should be. That's your job.
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That's a manager's job. Give me whatever talent you want,
and my job is to make it better. Well, we've
obviously grossly underachieved this year as a team, and certainly
on offense. So I certainly think that it does some
of the responsibility lands with the manager for how inconsistently
this offense has uh has performed, and certainly some of
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it lands on Sitzer and Edgar Martinez as well in
all of this, but we've got to get the offense going.
And I would just say this, he was on the
job one day as manager, but Manny Acta, I appreciated
him Ashley in his postgame comments yesterday pretty much just
calling out the offense for not showing up because that's
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the first time that's happened in two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, it was really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, So thank you, Manny. We appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
All.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Right. Coming up next on the program, it is time
for Sup with you here on the radio show Sports
Radio ninety three point three kha RFM.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
No, that's four none blondes.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I was like, snead O'Connors is not alive anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But the blondes are? Are they? I don't even know
there's four of these.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
At least three of them have to be.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You would think one of them is alive. Odds are anyway,
Ocho's coming out at the top of the hour, your
eight Top stories of the day. We do it every Friday.
Also Greg Bell for those that were like, hey, why
is Tory Orton and Greg Bell's spot because Tory Horton's
a little rude Number one and number two. Greg is very
amenable to moving around on our show. But we will
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have them on today at eight thirty get his thoughts
from the latest training camp as we get ready for
another day out here. But we got a big weekend
for the Mariners. I'll be honest, I've been I've admittedly
not discussed this a lot, and I know it's a
big deal and we're going to get into it a
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little bit later on in the show as to why.
But I'm really not taking a shot at the Mariners
in today's sup with You question. I just think it
would be fun. Considering what's going on here this weekend.
They're doing the top fifty players, and I mean it's
great they had to have a fifty birthday bash. Unfortunately
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it times out with where the frustration with the fan
base with the way the team's playing could not be higher.
But I get why they're doing it. I think it
will be a good event. I think you should, as
a Mariner fan, put it aside. If you're going to
the game and just enjoyed, enjoy seeing the fifty top Mariners,
have a great time with it, enjoy the home run
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derby tonight as well, if you're going to tonight's game. Yes,
I think these are both wonderful ideas, and I think
they're gonna be wonderful ceremonies, There's no question about it.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
But but.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
We gonna have fun with it too, can we not.
I mean, there's a little bit of frustration, so maybe
this is a little agitation from me seeping into the show.
But if we're gonna honor the fifty greatest Mariners of
all time over the weekend, then why not have a
sup with you question of who's the worst Mariner of
all time?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
People are gonna be like, oh, where do I start?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And you know, I'm not gonna technically put together a
worst fifty Mariners of all time, But if we get
enough individual suggestions, Ashley, we might end up being able
to put together a worst fifties list, you know, just
to keep it somewhere in a vault, maybe not release it,
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but keep it in a vault somewhere.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
But if we just start with just who is that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Mariner in your Mariner lifetime that you have decided that's
the worst Mariner of my entire life? Who is it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
That is a great question. That's a great question. There's
certain people that pop into my mind. I'm like, oh,
Sean Figgins, because I remember every time he opened his mouth,
I'd get so angry.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Because oh, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Certainly the I think in the conversation for the most disliked.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
He's the reason people hate the phrase it's early. I'm
sure of it.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Oh really he's got to.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Be, yeah, because it was like the Mariners were got awful,
he's a well, it's early. It's like you can't be
dismissed that bro, You just can't. But that's why people.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Did not know that. I actually did not know that
that was attached to him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I just thought he was like an underperforming turd who
then acted like he didn't care that he.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Was under well, and that is what he was. And
then his response to why he was under performing was
it's early.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Hey. And look, if that's your description for you know,
the worst Mariner in fifty years, if you if it's honestly,
if it's somebody that just like, maybe they weren't the
worst player, but as far as I was concerned, that's
the worst Mariner. It can go, right, Ashley, beyond just
how poorly they played. It could be how poorly they
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represented the organization, how poorly they treated fans, so, how
poorly so whatever your description is for the worst.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Mariner of all time, you're on your own.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You write your own editorial. You can use the talkback
feature so you can chat with us there and record
something for us. We'll also take your text at for now,
I'm not on YouTube right now, but Ashley is. So
if you're watching Ashley on our YouTube show and you
want to weigh in that way, you can do that
as well. But we can, I'm sure stir up a
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few suggestions for worst Mariner of all time, don't you think.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Oh yeah, first text we got though, by the way,
from Eric Sean Siggins. Please the leader in the clubhouse
right now. Not a leader you want to be, but
there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I just had a lovely woman just walked by our set,
as I said it, and she's got a seahawk visor on.
She's getting ready for training camp. And she looked at
me when I said, we have time to do the
worst Mariner, don't we, And she just looked at me
and pointed and nodded, You do, dude, like you do.
You've got you better set aside some more time for this,
I think was the look that I was just given.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
So all right, let it rip four nine four five one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We'll squeeze him in where we can throughout our last
two hours here together, we'll have a s Up with
You segment at eight forty today, we'll roll it into
nine o'clock and more so, let's hear from you who,
in your opinion, was the worst Mariner of all time?
But coming up next your oho your top eight stories
of the day. On Sports Radio ninety three point three
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kh A RFM
All right, seven o'clock hour here from the Virginia Mason
Athletic Center, Seahawks training camp continuing here today and joining
us live at our set. Second year wide receiver out
of Colorad OH State teammate a splash last year with
this football team, and then we didn't get to see
him sadly enough for a little while, and so it's
time to get caught up to date with Tory Horton
(00:25):
here on the radio program. How you doing man, Welcome
to the morning show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing great, man, appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, great to have you. Great to get to know
you a little bit, and I would just start off.
I don't want to bury the lead. I know a
lot of people want to know about your health. Want
to make sure Tory Horton is one hundred percent ready
to go, So give us an update.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, you know, I'm feeling great. Body's feeling good. Everything
is feeling you know, in line and tack. So I
like the trans a great plan and you know, just
been following that plan. So I feel great out there
on the field and you know, just a lot of
hard work. So yeah, I'm feeling good, ready to go.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Good. Well, I know when the first day of camp
you became quite a big stories out here on the field,
he's practicing, and then the next day you didn't, and
then people are like, oh, then they're a little worried.
But that's part of the process, right, like your first
time out there for a while. They just that's part
of the rehab, is just to make sure they're not
pushing you too hard, give you that rest after an
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active day. Is that is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's just kind of a little bit of like
a repcount that they have going on, just making sure
they've been extra cautious of you know what, you know,
how much is too much and just seeing how the
body reacts and not fly strict and his staffs is
doing the you know, have a great plan for that,
and you know it's been working, and nobody's just been
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feeling no real good and it just feels great going
into the season.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, fans get frustrated when they don't get to
see a player play football, and sometimes they can be
mean and nasty and everything else. But give us the
perspective of where you're coming from, Like you don't think
I want to be out there on the football I mean,
you you at your in your college career, you had
a major injury set back and you didn't get to
do some of the things that I know you wanted
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to achieve as a Colorado State ram and then you
make this great splash, this great impression, and then all
of a sudden you're battling another injury. How frustrating has
that been for you here over the course of the
last two three years of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, you know, it's real hard.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
You know, just uh, you know, all you want to
do is be on the field, you know, performing and play.
And you know the injury from you know Colorado, Uh
that was that was unfortunate, and you know sometimes you
just have to take your time to get back into
you know, into your full potential.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And you know, of course last year was a little
bit of a russ.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Getting back, so you know, who know that that could
have been, you know, a starting point to you know
the other injury that you know that popped up out
of nowhere, and uh, you know, I just feel like
you just got to be you know, sometimes real cautious
of how you approach things and be real smart and mentally,
you know, to on how you attack each day. Especially
for the recovery days and just having a good mindset
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and mental uh, you know, going ahead of these things.
So uh, you know, it's such a bummer not being
out there performing, and you know.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I wouldn't want to, you know, be.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sitting out Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I understand how the fans do and know the
people in the outside the world feeling, but.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know we feel the same way here. You know,
we wish we were on the field. So sure, it's
it's a lot of you know, it's a lot of
thoughts going through when you uh, not able to go
out there.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, Tory Horton is with US Seahawks wide receiver, second
year uh in the league, and look, I I will
get the hard knocks in a moment. But I heard
Spoons say on the first episode of Hard Knocks, like
when you get that first taste of confidence at the
professional level, it is so important. It unlocks something. You
not only got a taste of it. I mean you
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showed last year I can play at this level, I
can score touchdowns, I can return kicks. What did that
do for your comment? Vidential as a football player to have,
even though it was for a shorter period of time,
than you preferred, but to have that much success that
reassured that you belong in this league and can be
a productive player.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, I just feel like you just gotta be consistent,
you know, just having that consistent approaching mindset to practices
and games.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And even in the meeting room.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I feel like that's what makes it easier on game days,
is just having that consistent approach, being on top of
the on top of the game, the plays and the
film work, and you know, taking that to the field
and with so much practice and how we practice here,
sometimes it makes the game feel you know, slowed down
just a tad bit just because of how you know
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intense we go at practice.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And you know, I feel like I just.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Try to keep my mindset and my mental on being
consistent on each play and uh, you know, just each
situation and let that take take control throughout the game,
you know, not trying to you.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Know overdo or you know, change up something.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Just letting my preparation and you know, my just just
my hard work take you know, take that jump to
the to the game from practice, and you know, once
you get in there, I f like all the nerves
start to chill because it's like, hey, we've we've been
here before, We've practiced this before, and shoot, we had
one of the best defense in the league, the best
defense in the league. So it's like, you know, if
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I'm out here competing against these guys every day, you know,
that's that's great looks for me going into you know,
the preseason into the regular season. You know, our defense practice,
you know, they practice the ass off every day and
it's it's tough looks and you know, I f like
Mike does a great job with the defense. So you know,
just going against them every day, it's like that iron
stop ands iron. So going into that preseason game day,
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you kind of just got to take every you know,
just just every day that you've been preparing to the game,
and you know, just having that you know, that preparation
and just that consistent mindset going into the game, telling yourself,
you know, I've been here, I've seen these plays, I've
seen these kind of looks, and just laying your game
take over at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But just spoon half talk as much as he does
on the football field, huh.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He you know he don't, but yeah, yeah, we we
we love that though. You know, he's a he's a
real competitor man. He gets everyone going. You know, he
talks trash to us. And then you know when when
he gets b r like something happens that you know,
we we get a good jump on him. You know,
he's not he's not afraid to be like you got
(06:24):
me on now when we're gonna strap up and we're
gonna get to the next rep.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you know that's what you gotta love about him.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, he's gonna he's gonna be you know, he's
gonna he's gonna uh respect, respect the little l's that
he may take at practice and be like you know
that that that ain't no real l That's just a
learning curve for me because I did this or I
did that, and you know, just me coming in my
my rookie year, I went against him a few times
and it was even times where he was coaching me
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up on you know, just certain indicators and things like
that on what he's looking for. And you know what
I MA gave gave a way to give him a
better edge and just something that you know, hearing from
a vet and just a guy like him, I try
to take from him and implement that into my game
to try to, you know, not show so much of
that of what a dB is looking for. And I
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feel like he helps out a lot with you know,
just just great looks and disguises on defense, and you
know he's just all around competitor. So you know, going
against him, man, he's making everyone better and just a
trash talk. You know, you get a lot of trash
talk throughout the league. But yeah, I don't know if
anyone trash talks like Spoon. Man, he gets it going.
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You know, he'll be he'll be quiet, he'll be quiet
through the day and then it'd be one little thing
that you may have did our our or try to
do on him, and there you go, he fired up,
and you know that's that's what get everyone going. So
you need someone like Spoon out there who's gonna, you know,
get you right mentally and physically. So yeah, it's it's all.
It's all kodles to him. Much respect for him.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let's talk about another of your teammates, because we've heard
Jay sent and interviewed a lot about how much Cooper
Cupp has helped his game. But he's not the only
one out there. He's not the only receiver He's not
the only guy in the wide receiver room that I'm
sure Cooper Cupp is helping become as great a player
as they possibly can be. Talk about that because that
certainly has stood out a lot about his game.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, you know, just the way Coop approaches every day.
You know this is uh he he is that coach
on the field. You know, he he knows everything. Just
when Coop speaks, everyone is real quiet and everyone listens,
you know U And with the year Jack's had even
to this day, during camping things like that, it's when
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Koop speaks, everyone is is is quiet in his all
ears because he just has so much knowledge and just
hitting nuggets in the game that that helps all the
receivers take their game to the next level, even if
it's from slight adjustments to just you know, looking at
a route from lead through his vision and eyes because
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of a defense. You know, that's just something that you
want from a vet like that. And you know Jackson
is you know, Jackson has all the capability in the
world to go out there and perform, but he still
is that student of the game.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
When when Coop is out there.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know, coaching up or saying you know, hey, I'm
I probably would have did it like this with this
kind of look, and you could just tell how, you know,
in sync and just how like Spongy the whole receiver
room is when Coop is speaking that that life into
us and you know, you could see Coop out here
is still you know, with that mindset of him trying
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to learn himself, just the way he's attacking the meetings
and things like that, like he's always still asking questions
and sometimes I'm in the meetings, like Coop Man, there's
no reason for you to be asking these questions because
we know you know this. And sometimes it's just him
asking that question for the other the other guys to hear,
because maybe it's some of the other rooks who don't
(09:59):
want to ask that question. But it's like Coop will
ask that, are you know, tell tell the coach can
he rehit that? For the other you know, for the
other players who's probably you know, a little more afraid
to ask those questions, and you just tell like he
he loves the game so much, and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He comes out here and they ready to work.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
He's still he's getting great plays left and right, and
you know it's a lot of it's a lot of
us receivers who still goes to Coop and Jackson. She
just asking them guys like, man, what's what y'all doing
on these plays? How y'all attacking this? And you know
what you feel like is working when you know it's
it's someone playing this kind of technique and you know
they give you every hit and nugget that you could
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possibly ask for.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Soak up all that gravy. I mean, you might not
have another teammate like this, you know, get that knowledge now,
and then all of a sudden you pass that on
someday to the next rookie that is coming up. Hell,
I could use a Cooper Cup in my life. He
should just sit here and say, you know, you should
have probably talked about this. Oh yeah, And she will
on the Mariners. You know he will.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
To man even last year, Man, we used to break
the huddle.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He used to tug me by my jersey, moving me,
move me into the right spot.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm like, dang, come here, He's like, no.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's the it's the precise details of what you need
to be aligned and just things like that, and you
know that's just something that you don't really get from
you know, a lot of a lot of players invests,
and you know, I'm just just grateful to have him
in the room.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Man. He is like that golden nugget that every receiver
room should have or need.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I have a feeling it's in the cafeteria, like you
know what the salisbury steak was a little off. Uh,
maybe maybe you go a little light on their salt.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He is.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is on top of his.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Peanut butter in there. I mean, we could really take
this to the next level. Uh. Well, man, have a
great year. Thanks for stopping by. It was fun talking
to you, and we'll do it again soon. I about that.
Appreciate you all right, Tory Harton joining us right here
on our set Seahawks training camp. Yeah, great conversation here
with Tory Horton. Not a thousand more questions for him,
(12:01):
but the guy's got to get the practice for goodness sake,
and so we appreciate him to stop it by here
and joining us here on the morning show. So wide
receiver situation the wide Receiver room really good one. And
it's a topic that I don't know if other shows
other analysts are bringing up as much as I am,
(12:21):
but yeah, I do believe that there is a bigger
role out there for Tory Horton. But I also, as
I've repeated many times, I think there's a bigger role
out there for Aj Barner, and I think that there's
a bigger role out there for Edwin Royo, and I
think that there's or excuse me, Elijah Royo, I think
that there's a bigger role out there. It sounds like
(12:43):
for running backs in the passing game. And yet I
don't want Cooper Cup's numbers to drop. I think there might.
I mean, the talk around here is the Cooper Cup
looks fantastic, like better than he did a year ago
at this time, not as a leader, not as a
coach on the feet, but as a football player. And
then you ad JSN, who I guess two days ago
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just dominated practice. So something sort of has to give
in all of this. I don't think that this team
under Brian Flurry is planning to go to a forty
pass attack kind of game playing this upcoming season to
try to keep everybody satisfied. I mean, not all of
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these things can improve, not all of these things can grow.
Not all of these players are going to get more
targets and more looks than what they did a year ago.
It's got to come from somewhere, and I can't wait.
And then you got Rashichia heat of course, seventeen million dollars.
You're not planning on him just being a kick returner.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
What is his role?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How is it going to get expanded now that he's
had a full offseason in the program? I mean, I
think it's one of the most fascinating, if not the
most fascinating topic on how this is going to unfold
for the offense. Obviously, the math suggests if you're going
to get X, Y, and Z more targets, then you're
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going to have to subtract them from V and W.
And so who are those V and W? I mean,
the obvious person would be JSN with one hundred and
twenty catches for goodness sake a year ago. But as
I spoke with Greg Bell about yesterday, that's also your
best wide receiver and the guy with the best chemistry
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with your quarterback. And I know that if I mean,
I know enough about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
This game, I'll not to be Hugh Millen to be able.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
To tell you that if a quarterback drops back and
things are tight he's going to go to a security blanket.
He's going to be Linus with that security blanket, and
Linus being Sam that security blanket. Where's number eleven in
this organization?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And so I don't think that's going to change either.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I would assume.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, mathematically it sounds like, well, if you're going to
find other catches and targets for everybody else, well then
they got to come away from the guy that had
one hundred and twenty catches and one hundred and sixty
targets a year ago. But I don't think that that
is one plus one equals to Ashley. I mean, he's
still our best receiver. I still want him to get
(15:19):
the ball a lot, and when it's crunch time, it's
a crucial situation. It's a third and six. I have
a feeling Sam Darnold, no matter what the game plan is,
no matter what the idea was in the offseason to
get such X player or why player more catches, he's
gonna throw to number eleven because he knows he's the
most reliable freak on the universe.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, and I think going into last year we would
have said like, oh yeah, we could see them spreading
the ball around more and more. But after the season
that JSN had and now the expectations being even higher,
I think in general, for what he can deliver and
what Sam and him can deliver together, I wouldn't expect
Sam to be throwing to anyone else. I mean, I
know in the game, but I'm saying in those and
those big moments, like what you're saying, I don't, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I would.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think they will because they're going to surprise us,
and you know what, you never know what Brian Fleury
has up his sleeve, and obviously the offense. You know,
we've got a lot of talented players, and I think
every team is going to expect that he'd be throwing
to JSN. So I'm sure we'll see some surprises, but
I would assume that's always going to be first look.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I well, if not first look, certainly first in mind,
Like I know, I'm I need a play. I'm gonna
see if Eleven's open, and he's almost always open, So
why would I throw to someone else? And they might
be having conversations as a team in the wide receiver
(16:42):
room in the quarterback room about like I think we
can be more complete if we do spread the ball
around to more people. But I have a failing Chsn's like, well, oh,
I think we were pretty complete last year. Yeah, well
we won the Super Bowl Offensive Player.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Over here. Hey, hey, everybody, I don't need to catch
fewer I don't think it's necessary that I catch fewer
balls than what I caught a year ago. So you know,
you can give a Michael Jordan's speech about how, hey,
Michael Jordan, he didn't become a champion until he learned
that everybody else has to become involved in the offense. Well,
(17:21):
Jsn's argument to that is, I'm not saying I'm Michael Jordan,
but we won a Super Bowl. We've already become a
champion doing it this way. So ah, I'm not trying
to take food out of my teammates' mouths, but I
don't think the solution is to take it out of mine.
When it worked as well as it did a year ago.
If it happens, it happens. I mean, JSN had plenty
(17:43):
of games last year where maybe he had three, well,
not plenty. He had a couple where he had three
four catches and was asked about that afterwards. And he said,
I don't care we won the football game. I know
that's the way he operates. But I'll tell you this.
If I'm JSN and you're trying to get the ball
to other guys and you lose a game, I think,
maybe not to the media, but maybe I behind closed
(18:06):
doors say hey, you know what, we don't have to
get the ball to other guys. I mean you, we
did pretty well getting the ball to me, so let's
not hurt the offense just because we're trying to make
a point of feeding the rock to others. I'm not
saying I'm Michael Jordan, but get you still get Michael
(18:28):
Jordan the ball when the game is on the line. Yes,
he still got the ball every time down the court.
So you know, you don't have to give me fewer
catches this upcoming season. That's how I'd feel if I
were him, you know, I would agree. I would.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I would absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
All right, ABC's of the m's coming your way next.
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. Just let
it be our guide. We left off yesterday at the
letter m M is for MVP. Tonight against the Tampa
Bay Rays, We're going up against Junior camon who is
right there in the MVP conversation in the American League,
(19:05):
it's probably either he or Jordan Alvarez. That's probably your
top two candidates at this point. And unfortunately, both the
Rays and the Astros, if the season ended today are
a playoff team, so that'd be quite a vote. But
Camonaro with ridiculous power. We faced him just a couple
of weeks ago. We know how dangerous he is, and
(19:25):
so that is going to be a crucial matchup tonight
for Logan Gilbert and throughout the weekend. Yep, we are
facing basically the guy, one of the two guys primarily
in the American League MVP conversation. But I also bring
this up for another reason. The National League MVP conversation
really started to heat up this week. Show A Otani
(19:47):
versus PCA Pete crow Armstrong of the Chicago Cubs. They
faced off against one another a little bit earlier this week,
and Pete crow Armstrong and show A both hit two
home runs in the con test and it kind of
launched this conversation throughout the course of the week as
to how we're going to measure these two against one another.
(20:10):
If they keep up this pace. Because show Hey got
back to pitching this year, and even though he hasn't
pitched a lot, he's only pitched I think, eighty five
innings and fourteen starts this year, and right now his
pitching game is on the shelf. He still has pitched,
which Pete crow Armstrong is not going to get to
pitch this year, and so Pete crow Armstrong's resume, though
(20:32):
it is a little bit differently, and to me, I
think that there's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
A very easy way for a voter.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm not saying to come up with the conclusion, but
this is what you have to measure, and this is
what I think I'm missing from the MVP conversations that
are being held in the National League this week, and
that is it's very simple. The offensive numbers are pretty
similar across the board. So it really comes down to
what do you think is more valuable starting pitcher who's
(21:01):
made fourteen starts this year but hasn't really been available
to his team versus, you know, for the entire season
as a pitcher, versus a Gold Glove maybe the best
defensive player in Major League Baseball playing every day. And
if that sounded slanted, like I'm leaning toward PCA, then
(21:22):
I'm really not. I think that, but that is the
crux of the conversation. That is how I think this
is ultimately going to be decided, and we have two
more months of baseball to decide it. But that's that's
how you're going to have to weigh it. What's more
valuable a Gold Glove centerfielder that's playing every day and
contributing that to his playoff caliber team or a guy
(21:45):
that freakishly not only is one of the best hitters
in the sport but also one of the best pitchers
in the sport when he's available. So that's what the
voters are going to have to measure, and is for
not there, as in Dan Wilson was not there yesterday.
So I suppose we can't blame eleven to nothing on
(22:06):
Dan Wilson yesterday if he was not there. And yet
can we because obviously this is a team that, you know,
where is that consistent play, where's that consistent fire? And
if they can't drum it up on their own, why
is the coaching staff not drumming it up? As you know,
as everybody knows coming out of the All Star break,
(22:29):
I called for Dan Wilson's job right out of the
All Star break. I did not get my way. They
did not listen to me. He is still the manager,
and I'm assuming he's going to be at least through
this weekend when he's named one of the top fifty
players in Mariner history. But it will be interesting to
see if this team continues to stumble, if they'll try
(22:52):
to save it with a managerial change. Ashley Scott Servis
was fired on the twenty second of August, so we
are still two weeks away from the moment that they
chose to fire Scott's service and then under Dan Wilson,
a new voice, a new leader, the team rallied and
(23:13):
missed the playoffs by one game. I don't think it's
too late to make this decision, and it could end
up saving the season, although I doubt that they're going to. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
I mean, we've got a lot of texts of people
who are like, they're just waiting till after the fiftieth celebrations,
So there are a lot of people in that boat
that think that they couldn't do it and then have
him back for the fiftieth celebration, which I agree would
be super awkward. Do I think that's a reason to
keep a manager. No, But I also am not surprised
by it, So I wouldn't be surprised if the weekend ends.
(23:45):
If I mean, if they sweep the Rays, I don't
think it'll happen, But if they have a bad weekend,
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I don't I totally agree with your point. I think
you could and maybe and I obviously this come from me,
though I think you should. I don't think they will.
But will they make the move in the offseason because
some people believe that he's just locked in until he
doesn't want to do it anymore because of his value
(24:16):
within the organization. Hey there's Mike, there's coach, coach McDonald
walk into the field. Yeah. Yeah, And so maybe they
wait to the offseason. Larry Stone just said on Softy
Show earlier this week, if they don't make the playoffs,
he doesn't see how they could bring Dan Wilson back
next year. Jerry Brewer yesterday on the Softy and Fame
(24:37):
radio program went even further. He said, if the eighth
best manager, not even the best manager, the eighth best manager,
I just think he just picked a random number and
Baseball was managing this team, they'd be in first place.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It was a bold statement, a great statement. I'd take
it further. I think the eighty eighth.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I mean, there are more than eight managers in baseball,
some of them not even in the job, that are
better at Dan Wilson at managing a Major League Baseball team.
I mean, there are guys out there that are better.
You just gotta find that guy. There are coaches out
there that would have done a better job with this
team than what he's done. And there are a lot
(25:22):
more than just eight of the active managers in Major
League Baseball. I mean there's thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight,
eighty eight. Like I said, there are a lot of
guys that I think would have gotten the job done
better this year and would have this team in first
place this year. And then I would add on to
that that something that I think that might be considered
(25:42):
by this team. I think you could go out and
get Kevin Cash from the Tampa Bay Race who were
facing this weekend. Kevin Cash, who's considered one of the best,
and he's an analytics guy, and he's also a player
friendly guy, and yet his.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Teams always seem to produce, do they not?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And he is young, and he's funny, and he's got
a great personality, and he's got a lot going for him.
I mean he's sort of the he's like one of
the two or three, like one of the most. Stephen
Vote is another one that we let get out of
our our way, out of our organization. I mean, I'd
be willing to trade a player. I'm willing to go
(26:22):
Randy Win for Loop Panella on bringing in a Kevin
Cash or a Steven Vote. Don't sit around and wait
for them to like, uh, try to attract a guy
you know to your organization. Go hand pick the best
guy who I think would come here and take this
(26:44):
pitching staff and take this young nucleus. I think I
think Kevin Cash would run to Seattle, uh to manage
this team. Now, I don't know him personally. Maybe I'm
maybe I'm way out on left field on this, but
I would consider it. I'd deeply consider it this offseason.
If you don't want to waste a group that you
think is incredibly talented and should be competing for championships
(27:07):
right now and yet are four games under five hundred.
If you are Justin and Jerry and John, and you
don't want to waste this group, this nucleus, this foundation
in its championship window. Then go out and force the issue.
Go get one of the elite managers out there, and
let's see what Kevin Cash can do with this roster
(27:27):
next year. Okay, yeah, I mean you can't get him now, I.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Know, but I'm gonna put my hands in and we're
all gonna break and say.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Cash, Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, he's he's got a job now and he's gonna
see that through the end. But this offseason, why not
finally os for offense? And you know, I can sit
here and talk about Dan and I'm and not be
impressed with him as a manager and an inspirer of men.
But I will say he is not the problem. He
(27:58):
is not the biggest problem. It is the offense. But
once you but but I will say, you can't fire
the entire offense. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Some people would want to, And.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So I do kind of blame I certainly blame the
manager more than I do the front office.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And so I would say it is part of his responsibility.
If you've been this lackluster for four months, and you
know you have the talent to be better than this.
That it is sort of it does sort of fall
at your feet that your job is to make your
team better than what there they should be. That's your job.
(28:40):
That's a manager's job. Give me whatever talent you want,
and my job is to make it better. Well, we've
obviously grossly underachieved this year as a team, and certainly
on offense. So I certainly think that it does some
of the responsibility lands with the manager for how inconsistently
this offense has uh has performed, and certainly some of
(29:00):
it lands on Sitzer and Edgar Martinez as well in
all of this, but we've got to get the offense going.
And I would just say this, he was on the
job one day as manager, but Manny Acta, I appreciated
him Ashley in his postgame comments yesterday pretty much just
calling out the offense for not showing up because that's
(29:21):
the first time that's happened in two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, it was really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, So thank you, Manny. We appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
All.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Right. Coming up next on the program, it is time
for Sup with you here on the radio show Sports
Radio ninety three point three kha RFM.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
No, that's four none blondes.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I was like, snead O'Connors is not alive anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But the blondes are? Are they? I don't even know
there's four of these.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
At least three of them have to be.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You would think one of them is alive. Odds are anyway,
Ocho's coming out at the top of the hour, your
eight Top stories of the day. We do it every Friday.
Also Greg Bell for those that were like, hey, why
is Tory Orton and Greg Bell's spot because Tory Horton's
a little rude Number one and number two. Greg is very
amenable to moving around on our show. But we will
(30:08):
have them on today at eight thirty get his thoughts
from the latest training camp as we get ready for
another day out here. But we got a big weekend
for the Mariners. I'll be honest, I've been I've admittedly
not discussed this a lot, and I know it's a
big deal and we're going to get into it a
(30:29):
little bit later on in the show as to why.
But I'm really not taking a shot at the Mariners
in today's sup with You question. I just think it
would be fun. Considering what's going on here this weekend.
They're doing the top fifty players, and I mean it's
great they had to have a fifty birthday bash. Unfortunately
(30:52):
it times out with where the frustration with the fan
base with the way the team's playing could not be higher.
But I get why they're doing it. I think it
will be a good event. I think you should, as
a Mariner fan, put it aside. If you're going to
the game and just enjoyed, enjoy seeing the fifty top Mariners,
have a great time with it, enjoy the home run
(31:13):
derby tonight as well, if you're going to tonight's game. Yes,
I think these are both wonderful ideas, and I think
they're gonna be wonderful ceremonies, There's no question about it.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
But but.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
We gonna have fun with it too, can we not.
I mean, there's a little bit of frustration, so maybe
this is a little agitation from me seeping into the show.
But if we're gonna honor the fifty greatest Mariners of
all time over the weekend, then why not have a
sup with you question of who's the worst Mariner of
all time?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
People are gonna be like, oh, where do I start?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And you know, I'm not gonna technically put together a
worst fifty Mariners of all time, But if we get
enough individual suggestions, Ashley, we might end up being able
to put together a worst fifties list, you know, just
to keep it somewhere in a vault, maybe not release it,
(32:21):
but keep it in a vault somewhere.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
But if we just start with just who is that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Mariner in your Mariner lifetime that you have decided that's
the worst Mariner of my entire life? Who is it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
That is a great question. That's a great question. There's
certain people that pop into my mind. I'm like, oh,
Sean Figgins, because I remember every time he opened his mouth,
I'd get so angry.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Because oh, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Certainly the I think in the conversation for the most disliked.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
He's the reason people hate the phrase it's early. I'm
sure of it.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Oh really he's got to.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Be, yeah, because it was like the Mariners were got awful,
he's a well, it's early. It's like you can't be
dismissed that bro, You just can't. But that's why people.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Did not know that. I actually did not know that
that was attached to him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I just thought he was like an underperforming turd who
then acted like he didn't care that he.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Was under well, and that is what he was. And
then his response to why he was under performing was
it's early.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Hey. And look, if that's your description for you know,
the worst Mariner in fifty years, if you if it's honestly,
if it's somebody that just like, maybe they weren't the
worst player, but as far as I was concerned, that's
the worst Mariner. It can go, right, Ashley, beyond just
how poorly they played. It could be how poorly they
(33:38):
represented the organization, how poorly they treated fans, so, how
poorly so whatever your description is for the worst.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Mariner of all time, you're on your own.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You write your own editorial. You can use the talkback
feature so you can chat with us there and record
something for us. We'll also take your text at for now,
I'm not on YouTube right now, but Ashley is. So
if you're watching Ashley on our YouTube show and you
want to weigh in that way, you can do that
as well. But we can, I'm sure stir up a
(34:14):
few suggestions for worst Mariner of all time, don't you think.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Oh yeah, first text we got though, by the way,
from Eric Sean Siggins. Please the leader in the clubhouse
right now. Not a leader you want to be, but
there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I just had a lovely woman just walked by our set,
as I said it, and she's got a seahawk visor on.
She's getting ready for training camp. And she looked at
me when I said, we have time to do the
worst Mariner, don't we, And she just looked at me
and pointed and nodded, You do, dude, like you do.
You've got you better set aside some more time for this,
I think was the look that I was just given.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
So all right, let it rip four nine four five one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
We'll squeeze him in where we can throughout our last
two hours here together, we'll have a s Up with
You segment at eight forty today, we'll roll it into
nine o'clock and more so, let's hear from you who,
in your opinion, was the worst Mariner of all time?
But coming up next your oho your top eight stories
of the day. On Sports Radio ninety three point three
(35:14):
kh A RFM
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