It’s time to talk Hard Knocks and we had some great moments in last night’s episode! One of the big stories was the Terrion Arnold situation, so let’s discuss. :30- We don’t really want to have to recap last night’s game again, but we must- it’s the Baseball Brunch! Woo was good last night, Arozarena came through… no one else did and Cal spoke up after the game :45- Cal talked about an edge and the team needing to find one, which makes us think that no matter what Dan is saying in press conferences, he’s not giving them that edge in the clubhouse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan with you as
well til ten o'clock this morning. A lot of baseball
things to discuss today, nothing pleasant, and a lot of
Seahawks stuff to talk about today, and most of that
usually is pleasant. But if there is one thing making
people uncomfortable around these here on ponks about our World champs,
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it is whether or not we should or shouldn't pursue
this Terry and Arnold thing. So good morning to you.
Hard Knocks Episode two did air last night. And again
I think I say this because I think some people
are like, I'm taping that. Don't ruin it for me, Surrey.
This is like a major event. This is like a game.
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I mean, I can't after a Seahawks game come on
Monday morning and be like, just in case somebody wants
to watch it later on today. Yeah, well we want to.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Ask you any questions about how Sam Darnold did because
someone might wanna might not have been able to watch
it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, be careful. Said this year, we don't want to
give anything away.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, we don't want to tell him who won or
how Sam did.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So yeah, we're gonna have to treat this like a game.
So here we are talking about hard Knocks, which I
think the episode as a whole was really just showcasing
Seahawks culture, how great Mike McDonald has made it. The
type of leader Mike McDonald is, which right now, I mean,
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who doesn't want that guy? Who doesn't want that guy
as your leader? You know, the guy that's going to
tell you how it's going to be done. He's in control.
He makes that very clear. He gives you all sorts
of a long rope to be yourself. He will pull
it when he needs to. He will be firm about it,
he will be direct about it, and then he'll circle
back and tell you all as well, you know I
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got to do this sort of thing. I love you,
you know that. I mean, that is like as good
as it gets. And I don't know how many books
he's read, or how many people he's been around, and
how many nuggets that he's stolen from other people in
his life that have been leaders to him. But whatever
he did to get to this point, my gosh, are
the Seahawks benefiting from it because that is a leader.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, And it's so fascinating to me too, because he's
able to be a leader without and exert his authority
without seemingly having an ego about it. I mean even
when he says, yeah, it's my practice, like turns out,
I run this.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know, like even then, it was like it wasn't
like look at me, it's my I mean, it's still the.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Way he delivered it. It wasn't like, yeah, being a
jerk about it. It was like, hey, man, get in line,
come on.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I don't know. It's a fascinating and not overcussing,
but effective cussing.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Effective cussing, which is what I teach my.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Child, which is great. And then of course the collection
of people that he's brought in. I mean, if you've
watched two episodes and you're worried about Derek Hall, like
they might be a bad teammate, Like number one, I
disagree with you. That's not what I came away with.
It feels like they love him. But he's a little
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bit like the crazy kid on the playground. Sometimes he
gets a little carried away and you got scold him
every once in a while and he might pout for
a second, but he's gonna see the big picture. I
think that Ad and Dirty said it right, Like the
things that drive us nuts a little nuts about him
are the things that we love about him and why
we gave him fourteen million dollars a year. So if
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that's the if that's the bad character on the roster,
I think you're sitting pretty good the way Sam's come off,
the way Jsn's come off, the way Leonard Williams has
come off, the way Eman Warrior's like, it's just the culture.
You see the leadership first, and then you see the
culture and you're like, Okay, I get it. I get
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how that leader has built this culture, and I get
how they've changed their philosophy to make sure the people
in that locker room are on the same page and
they're not just selfish and they do things the right way,
and they have the teammates backs and everything else. I mean,
more than anything else, I think maybe that Mike McDonald
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has done, and that includes bringing the greatest defensive mind
in the sport currently to Seattle. The culture he's built
in two short years explains why we're already world champions
under his leadership, because they have changed the way that
they evaluate players and they have shot character way up
that list. And for them to have taken Leonard Williams
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when he's thinking about retirement in New York because he
just wasn't having as much fun playing football, And then
bring him here to Seattle and we find out how
great a player he is, how great a leader he is,
how great a person that he is. I mean, my goodness,
what a what a boon for this organization. And John
deserves a lot of credit for that too. That's not
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just that's not just Mike gets the credit for that.
I mean that's an equal share credit, maybe even more
so for John to pull off the trade to get
Leonard Williams. But that it's just a very likable group.
And that might be boring for a Jets fan that's
turning into this, but for a Seahawks fan that's sitting
on top of the world right now, and you watch
Hard Knocks and you get some nitty gritty details from
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behind the scenes about how just what does make all
of these players take? I think, I like that guy.
Let's find out more about him, and then you come
away liking him even more. I mean, what a magical
formula that they've got work in here right now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean I even just loved the fight between who
Mason Richmond and Riley Mills, and they get into it
on the field and everyone's like, and you know, Mills
gets all pissed, and then to settle it they have
to hold sledgehammers in front of the whole team, and
the face of Mason Richmond as he's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like, I don't want to lose.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
This, you know, and everybody gets to be entertained by it.
I just I was like, even that is it was
just it was perfectly done.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And Mills didn't look like he was struggling at all
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Were made of air because he was like, I could
hold these for seven days.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Those are some strong shoulders. Yeah, those are.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He did not care.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So yeah, I mean, I don't know if the rest
of the country's enjoying it all that much. I'll tell
you this, I have not enjoyed the last few hard
knocks with other teams, but certainly for us to get
a little more insight into how our players tick, how
Mike McDonald's operation ticks, it's been fantastic. I mean, can't
get enough of it. Two episodes. I've enjoyed every second
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of both the episodes. And yet there was some news
yesterday and that kind of is the big story here today.
Seahawks are definitely in on Terry and Arnold. If you
didn't already know that, he came to visit twice, so
that should give you every indication. And then how are
they discussing it behind the scenes. I didn't think we'd
get as much information as we did about Terry and
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Arnold last night, including some John Schneider in his office
moment where he's sort of trying to already prepare the
organization for the pr hit that they'll have to take
if they signed Terry and Arnold. So let's pick it
up with leave.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
John Schneider is deciding if he can sign Terry and Arnold,
a gifted cornerback facing multiple felony counts. His former team,
the Detroit Lions, cut him after his arrest. He's still
awaiting a resolution to his case. There's no doubt the
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third year pro could bolster the Hawk's secondary Still, no
amount of due diligence will spare the team from criticism
if he's offered a contract.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It happens.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I'm trying to remember Lake, what does Terry and Arnold
think like Woby Another controversial signing that's happened, So we
could kind of like, oh, I can understand that situation.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Situations where someone has like an outstanding thing.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Right and then look at Holloway and were traded for
a chois a choirs?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know
about you, Ashley, greg and I talked about a little
bit earlier this morning. I mean that is a general
manager who still has that talent is talent mentality, Yep,
even though drafting for character and making it more important
in the last two or three years is as big
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a reason as to mean. It's not like you didn't
draft talented guys. It didn't bring up a bunch of
good guys. You drafted talented guys, but you certainly have
made character a bigger priority in your last three drafts
and in your offseason moves. And yet there's still this
part and John that's like, Hey, talent is talent and
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is already getting out ahead of I want to sign him.
That's my takeaway. I want to sign him. I want
him on this roster. Now you tell me how big
of a pr blow we're going to get back on
this and are we okay with that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Find some examples that I could use of where it
worked out.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, and it's not like he's gonna lose the fan
base if he signs Terry and Arnold. No, you forgave
him for you know, uh, Frank Clark. It took like
one sack before everybody was rooting for Frank Clark, even
though at the time I remember taking phone calls on
this and everybody was done being a seahawk. Not everybody
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a people who are there are a lot of beat
There are a lot of people are done. I won't
root for a team that signs a guy like that.
He gets two sacks and we love him, So he
knows that that's what will happen eventually, as long as
Arnold is exonerated. But there's that Rascal and John Schneider,
that general manager that sat there with Pete and had
conversations at the table, discussing, you know, let's get him,
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we'll deal with a.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Pr Yeah, they would have done it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And so he's already mapping that out and trying to
figure out we'll take the PR hit. I'm not worried
about that, but for the sake of everybody else in
the organization, how do we lessen it? How do we
deal with it. What are some other examples of how
teams have done this and didn't come away with didn't
come away by angering everybody?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right, Which shouldn't be surprising to any fans that he
would make sure that he did all his research before
he made a move like this, because it is a
big deal. And even if and again this isn't based
on if Terry and Arnold is guilty or not guilty,
because we don't know that.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's just it's also a distraction.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's also I mean, eight felonies isn't something like you know,
he accidentally, you know, fell asleep at the wheel and
crashed into a parked car, right, I mean, this is
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Could be live in prison.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It could be life in prison. So it's it is.
It seems bigger than anything else. So yeah, you better
be doing your research if you're going to think about
bringing this guy in.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right, So that was John caught in the office
overhead boom mics. Here he is being interviewed about it.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
We have ninety players here right now.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We're always kind of looking for what's next.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
How do we how do we get ready for you know,
a corner that's not here yet? You know, like guys
that we're gonna need at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You want to be strong as healthy as possible.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
In December January.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Last night I was talking about carry talk to jam
about Oh yeah, he was awesome. He's a leak. He's
got a buddy, high school buddy. He's like, this was
to be awesome for him. Just have a baby, his
wife and up here, up here with them, be awesome.
He's like, he's just like, it's just like spool Joey
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thinks he is gonna be able to play in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Sweet might be unfair. I read that as man John
is John really wants him because the GM and him
is like, I can get a first round talent who's
still in his mid twenties and probably get him to
play here for league minimum, just selling him on the
fact that he can be a part of a world
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championship culture and be under the guidance of the best
defensive mind in the National Football League. He's not going
to get some big giant offer from anyone, so that
alone should get him here to Seattle. But I haven't
yet convinced my head coach we should do it. Yep,
that's how I read that, and I know that there
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was that little quip maybe you heard it, maybe you didn't,
where he was like sweet, Mike said sweet. Yep. I
did not get the impression that Mike has sold on
this at all from that episode. And it's really short clips, right,
but I didn't get the impression that Mike sold on
this idea at all. And I get the impression that
John is completely sold on it, and that John is
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coming into Mike's office. I talked to college teammate Milroe.
He thinks he's awesome, he's the best guy in the world,
so he's really trying to like sell him on Mike.
That's the impression I drew from there.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And that's the same thing I've seen.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I mean, he even says, oh, it plays just like
spoon and then he's oh, g really yeah, that was
that little thing, and I was like okay. And then
he when he says and he'll be available for the preseason, Well,
I think that when Mike responds with sweet, I mean
that's for two reasons. One, Well, we don't care if
he can play in the preseason, right, what's his eligibility
going to be like in the actual year, is he
going to be in jail or is he going to
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be on a field right? And when he says sweet,
he might as well have said neat. I mean it
was that kind of like, Okay, I see what you're doing.
I know you want this guy, so you're going to
continue to do the thing the thing you're going to do,
but I'm not convinced of this and he does not
fit anything I've been trying to put together here.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and if and if you had that same conclusion,
Ashley and I sort of had the same conclusion. There.
Sounds like Leave and HBO had the same conclusion as well,
because this is how they ended the episode.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Getting the right fit isn't always easy. Normally, a highly
skilled player would be a shoe in, but with Terran Arnold,
the free agent with the legal problems, it's not that simple.
So Seattle has invited him to the facility. Mike McDonald
has questions will Arnold make the team better? And equally important,
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does he understand the culture and what Seattle is building?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And that's what you weigh with every decision as a
professional sports organization. You weigh reward versus risk. Does Rian
Arnold make our secondary better? Yeah? Probably, Yeah, I'm sure
if he's eligible, if he's not in prison, and he's
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on a football field, and the Seahawks will be better
for having him on the football field, But at what cost?
Certainly nothing cap wise, it doesn't feel like or financial wise.
And I think there's a pretty decent chance that he
blends with the personalities. But why run the risk of
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bringing on someone that would take the law into their
own hands and voyor watch three people be beaten, whether
they stole from him or not, and then didn't even
take the time to make sure they were the right
three people. You really want to introduce that into your
perfect world champion. The reason we are world champions is
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probably because of this culture that we've created in such
a short period of time. You really want to inject
that in there so you can be a little bit better,
so you've got depth at the nickel position. That's what
we're doing. That's what you want to do. I think
almost I think almost every NFL franchise in the league
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would do this, But I don't think the Seahawks should.
I don't think they need to, And I don't know
why you would risk being in such great position for
this upcoming season to defend your title by bringing this
into your chicken coop.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And that's the exact thing there is the risk verse
Is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so,
because you already have a great defense. Yeah, it would
always be nice to improve. Nobody's ever gonna say, Gosh,
I don't want we're perfect, we don't want to improve anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's no, that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But the risk here with your fan base, with your
locker room, with your coaching staff, with your legal team.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, it's just too big.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And it's not like this is the I mean, this
is big enough, Like, what is this crime? What were
you responsible for? Who are who are these people that
you did this to? What did they do to you? Exactly?
What are we going to find out in a hearing
because you're certainly going to end up in a hearing.
Charges haven't exactly been dropped, so it certainly wasn't just
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a clear misunderstanding.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Sorry Fellas, he's got court today. I think, yeah, so
that's not been dropped. And then here's the last piece
of information. And I know I've mentioned this a couple
times this week, but the Detroit Lions didn't hesitate. Nope,
I mean, they've got far more invested in Terry and
Arnold than what the Seahawks would.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Have to invest in him. They've got millions, they got
a first round traf pick. They've got a weak secondary
that has been their issue. Probably the reason why they
haven't won a super Bowl or at least gone to
a Super Bowl in the last couple of years is
because their secondary two years in a row got devastated
by the time crunch time rolled around in the season.
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And so of all the teams that should let's make
sure on this Terrrian arm let's not make a rash decision,
it would be the Detroit Lions. And they cut him
the next morning. Yeah, after the news broke. They may
have known it longer, but after the news broke, they
cut him the next morning. Yep, and have not looked
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back on that. So and I don't think the Detroit
Lyons have some jackass organization anymore. And I don't think
Dan Campbell is some you.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Know, it's definitely not a pushover.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, and they decided, you know what, it's not worth it,
the Jews is not worth the squeeze.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, I don't blame him, Let's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Let him go. And now here we are. Here, we
are with this almost perfect culture in sports, sitting on
top of the mountain, and we're gonna invite this person
to sit at our table with all of this unknown
as a not just as a criminal violator potentially, but
just as a human being and as a teammate what
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makes him tick. And we're gonna risk that just to
improve an already good secondary, maybe an already great secondary.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Doesn't seem worth it to me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I wouldn't do it. No, And I my impression of
last night is that John Schneider is really trying to
talk Mike into this. That's the that's the impression that
I took it all right? Coming up next, Yeah, it
was a huge game last night. As ugly as it was,
it was a huge game. And so we will have
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the Baseball Brunch Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
The first lesson today is don't assume anything.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know what happens when you assume that's.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right, you make an ass out of you and me.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Don't do that. Kids.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, it's time for our Mariners game recap, eight thirty
Mariners game recap, and yeah, we don't have a lot
of good things to tell you, but it does feel
important that we do share some stuff here today. The
Mariners ended up losing last night to the New York
Yankees four to one, but if the show did start anyone,
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it was Brian Wu with five shutout innings, And when
Brian Wu was presumably leaving the game, Randy A Rose
Arena decided, let me give you a chance to win
this game, buddy too.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Two, this is deep, the opposite way it is gone.
Randy Arose Arena the opposite field home run to put
the Maritors in front into sixth. Then in Yankee Stadium
Gibbeth to the Mariners won nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Seattle, remember when we were so full of hope.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
One to nothing at that point, but Brian Wo's day
was done. Our bullpen obviously has not performed well as
of late, except for Andres Munnos and Gabe Spire apparently
was not available last night with some sort of mysterious
back injury that popped up on his flight from Seattle
to New York, so apparently he wasn't available. So Jose
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Ferrer came in in the sixth and was dominant sixteen
pitch and man he looked as good as he's looked
maybe all season long in that inning last night. But
like Brian wu after the fifth, Dan Wilson didn't want
to overtax anybody.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
No, because why would you? Yeah, why would an important
time of the season.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, and decided one inning is good. We will face
left handers. Two left handers to start the next inning,
very good hitters with Michael Rucker who came out of
the bullpen and proceeded to give up four base runners
and the next five men that he faced, Edward Bizardo
relieved him couldn't clean up his mess. And the next
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thing you know, the Mariners are down four to one
and they just did not show any fight to come
back once again from a more than two run deficit,
and they lose the game four to one to fall
to eight games under five hundred on the season. It
prompted cal ralegh our featured guest appearance here today in
the Baseball Brunch to meet the media, not just the
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Seattle media, but the New York media as well. He
came out of the locker room in full uniform and
decided he had something to say in the hallway after
the game. Here's cow. Yeah, man, it's not good, not
quite well.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Uh you knows such for me, you know, I'm auful.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So it's uh, this is what it is.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Just gotta got hall way to be better and to help,
you know, bring the dock guys along.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And they uh, you know, we just have one there.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I mean, we're just playing very very very out of
that's falling, you know, every every fast of the game.
You'll gotta you gotta pick up you know, from the
the nagers that going to the you know, executioner, to.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
All things in the game to help you win baseball games.
And and we're sean to hold that up.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Yeah, that's the first start to do.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Would want to see this to taking operation.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yeah, I think we just gotta we just we gotta
bring that edge every day.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know, it's tough, things are going your.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Way and uh you know it's hard to feel like
against you, but you gotta you know, you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Gotta have a good attitude.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
You gotta ultimately bring that edge to play every single
day because it never given to you. You gotta go
take it. Sometimes your feeling after yourself. You got lots
of days out there you maybe maybe have a little
less energy or maybe you don't have quite the edge
that you should have every single day, and.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, that starts me a lot of blame on yourself.
You want to blame on the other players. Dan is
taking a lot of blame and ores. Where are you
at with that experience?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I mean, ultimately, you know, the players decide the outcomes
of these things.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know, obviously Dan has to say and who comes
in and writes the line up?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
And you understand that at the end of the day,
those twenty six guys have.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
To be ready to blame.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
You have to, you know, rely on each other.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And that's where the performance complain.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
You know, Dan's playing eger he's out there playing what
he's not out there pitching. You know, that's what it
comes down to, comes out with the twenty six guys
in that locker room and around to lean on some
different guys each night, and that you know starts in
up outs and we just have to do a better
job of relaying that and understanding I can't point fingers.
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We can't, yeah, says Jerry's fall and Nussell's fall or
Dames Folly can't. It's not their fault, it's our call.
Where we're the ones that are accept that. It's just
the taut for audio of it. That's, like I said,
is a bas later on the team. You know, I feel,
you know, responsible, and you just have to do you know,
I just have to do a better job of getting
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ready to go and be prepared and bring that you know,
the edge, and that bringing this night and stuff like a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Sow rally after the game. Not the greatest audio in
the world did get better, but it was important for
us to replay that and just case maybe you didn't
hear some of the highlights. He basically started off by saying,
it starts with me, I'm awful. That's how he began it. Yes,
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and then said, we were playing very, very bad baseball
in every facet. Now I don't think that's necessarily true
every facet of the game. I thought you got some
good starting pitching last night. Yeah, he added, we got
to pick it up. We got to bring that edge
every day, and we're not, which is very important. I mean,
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it's a cliche to say we got to play that
edge every day. It suddenly does not become a cliche
when you say we're not, which is something that let's
face it, a lot of Mariner fans have been complaining
about all season long, from Ashley to Dick Fane, to
myself and to a lot of you that have corresponded
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with us or have a life there on social media.
And it looks like they it looks like at times
they don't they do right. It looks at times like
they're not trying. They are, but there's a difference between
trying and having that edge. And we've watched them play
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a couple of games this year, that first game of
the Dodgers series where they seem to play with a
different edge and you thought maybe that was going to
kick start something. Didn't that four to two win over
the Tigers. They seem to play with an edge that night.
Thought maybe that was going to kickstart something. It didn't.
So for the captain of the team, in essence, he
doesn't wear a seed, but for the captain of the
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team to come out there and say we're not playing
with the edge that we need to and again it
starts with me and can't be pouting that it's not
happening for us individually. We got to come together as
a team. That in essence was the message. But is
it too little, too late?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And That's my fear is because obviously we know time wise, yes,
we have time to overcome this deficit. I mean we
just if you watched the fiftieth Anniversary special on Saturday,
they talked about the nineteen ninety five team coming back
from thirteen games down to end up winning the division
in that going to that tiebreaker game and winning the division.
So mathematically, no, they're not out of it. Time wise,
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they're not out of it. They've got plenty of time
for the deficit they have. The problem is, Okay, where
does that edge come from? Are you just going to
decide to bring it today? And if that's what's happening,
why didn't you decide to bring it last month or
the month before?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Like where has it been?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and don't I don't think it's necessarily a decision.
It's just a competitive fire.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, where is that fire?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Even when you are trailing four to one? Because Dan
made a stupid decision and put Michael Rutger in the
game last night, even when that backfired, And like me,
you probably see Rucker on the mound and think the
game's over, And the only one that doesn't is Dan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I wonder who would defend on the roster. Who would
be defending that choice?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't know, But where is that fire? Where is
that competitive There's a difference between wanting to win and
trying and having that competitive edge that might separate yourself
from your opponent that day and pull out a victory.
I do want to talk about the Rucker thing and
not just be glib and sarcastic about it. It's just
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mind blowing. I sent out a tweet on Saturday. They
got a bit of attraction. I think the most astonishing
thing that I've witnessed this entire season, and not just
with the Mariners, but in all of baseball, is Dan
Wilson's faith in Michael Rutger. Yeah, and then to last
night put him in a one run game, up one
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nothing in the seventh inning. It makes just zero sense
to me. I mean, this is the time to push
guys who are actually effective. I know Ferrera has not
been effective as of late, but he was last night,
facing two left He's the very next inning. Let him
go back out there, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The in game situation, the endgame awareness comes into play.
Oh okay, wait, we can't just go with he goes
out for winning and then he goes away because that's
what we normally do. Look at how effective he was,
maybe we should keep him.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, the only reason to do that is so let's
use it so we can use him tomorrow night. You
don't know what the game's going to be like tonight.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You've got to play for the day you're on.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yes, that's what happens when you're in mid August and
you're four and a half games out of first place
in seven games under five hundred. You can't play for
tomorrow anymore, and you are taking fair and effective lefty
knowing you don't have spire against the lineup that has
seven left handers in it, and you're taking him out
of the game because well, maybe we can use him tomorrow.
(29:45):
We take him out now, we might be able to
use tomorrow. You could have let him pitch one more
inning and still use him today, yep. Or he could
have kept Woo in it's not Or you could have
kept Woo in last night if you know you're down
a man, yep. And Michael Rucker this year has and
good in mop up roles and terrible in close games.
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Interesting because that's what he is, a mop up guy.
For any major league roster out there, and we're using
him in high leverage situations way too much. And when
I say we, I mean Dan, Yeah, Michael Rucker in
close games trailing by two or fewer or leading to
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or by two or less. Seven games sent in this
last month and a half because everybody keeps telling me,
we go to two point seven eoe E RA in
the last month and a half. But in close games
he has a six point seven five ERA. And that's
even excusing him for those two runs he gave up
against Uh, who who do we play over the weekend?
(30:51):
The rais oh yeah, yeah, when he was brought in
in a when he was brought in for some unknown reason. Uh.
And then he also allowed in an herited run in
the tenth, So those don't count against his ZRA. But
he's given up eight runs and six and two thirds
innings when the game is close, when the games within
one run and he's been brought in, which has been
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four times in that span, he's given up eight runs
and two and two thirds innings. That's a twenty seven ERA,
and not just the runs, eleven base runners. He's given
up eleven base runners in two and two thirds innings.
You got a encyclopedia stack of analytics that you're pouring over,
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and you just can't see fundamentally, he is not good
in high leverage situations. He's never been in them before,
and he does not perform well in them. There's enough evidence,
and we keep going with him with the season completely
on the line. And again, when I say we, I
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mean Dan, I don't know what the infatuation is with him.
He's fine on the roster. I don't have a problem
with Michael Rucker being on the roster. He's terrific in
mop up situations because that's what he is. He's a
mop up reliever. And we keep using him in high
leverage situations with the season on the line, and it
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makes no sense to me. And we're not asking anybody
else to push a little bit further to try to
save us in this desperate situation. Nope, we're just gonna
manage this like it's April eighth. What are we doing?
All right? Coming up next, Actually we're gonna hear from
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Ryan Healy. I'll explain next. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. It's with us. Last week, we're having as
I felt riveting conversation about whether or not MLB should
go to a salary cap. And it turns out that
Hugh Millen was a pioneer for the damn salary cap.
He was there. He was a player up in the
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National Football League almost his entire career from year two on,
and he was there when they were drafting the first
collective arguing agreement in professional American sports that would include
a salary cap. And so I didn't even realize that
he was this fountain of knowledge. We tapped into it
last week, and right when he got to the good
(33:20):
part where he was getting ready to throw Scott Morris
under the bus, we lost him. We lost him on
the airwaves, and so we have to make up for this,
and we're going to do that today at nine o'clock,
So that's coming up at the top of the hour.
But I did want to finish off this Mariner conversation,
especially full circle Dan Wilson, cal Rowley's comments about trying
to find the edge, all of that stuff. Yesterday we
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had Ryan Heally on and Ashley'll tell you, I was
going to play his clip about the offense, but now
it makes more sense to play this clip when we
had Ryan Heally on because I asked him first of all,
I asked him what does Dan Wilson bring to the table.
And he had a nice reaction about that, and I said,
offer one criticism of Dan. Tell me something you would
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be critical of of Dan. And here's what Ryan Healy said.
It's a hard question, Chuck. I know it's a really
hard question. I know what my answer is. How I
say it matters a lot. I think we all see
the postgame interviews, right, yeah, and they tend to blend
together the pretty similar, pretty much the same thing, every game,
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same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So my.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Hope, because I don't know this for certain, I'm not
in those rooms and what the conversations are with the players,
I hope that there is more matter of fact in
truth spoken behind closed doors, and I hope that there's
more accountability to what is actually true and happening behind
closed doors.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It may be and it may not be working.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
I don't know that, but I do hope that there
is at least the truth being spoken from manager to
player or coaches to players about what's happening right now
throughout the course of the season. And I hope that
he's not relaying the same message that he is to
the media that he is to the team.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Ryan Heley yesterday, that does not sound very interesting now
based off of what we heard from cal yeah after
the game last night.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And yeah, and it's something that we've said as well,
like Okay, if you're going to be out here and
be bland, just please don't be doing that in there.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And for him to be wondering about that, Yeah. And
then for cal Raley at game one twenty of the
season forty two to go to come out to the press,
to instigate that little impromptu press conference and talk about
how we're not playing with an edge, it does make
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you wonder if it's just as soft behind the scenes,
does it not?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And cal Rawly was more critical of him and himself
and his own teammates than Dan has ever been.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean the act it was more critical of the
team than Dan Wilson.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
In one press con we got more truth from maniacta
and one without sounding like he threw anybody under the
bus or was overly critical, just fair, just honest.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, decided I'm not going to recap the game. I'm
going to tell you what went wrong, and I'm also like,
when I say Bryce didn't have it, I'm gonna say,
but he figured it out because I was ready to
pull him in the first inning.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
And I gotta give him a shout out for going five.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And please, can we just somebody get to him and say,
you can never say tough one tonight ever again?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
No ever.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I mean, we have had fifty six wins this year
and sixty four tough ones.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Tonight, but we didn't fight till the end in all
of them.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, we have lost five tough ones tonight in a row.
And this is where we are. Yeah, this lowliest state
yet of this Major League Baseball season, and some things
have got to change. And I just think Cal's rallying
cry for more edge is like a month and a half,
two months too late.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I hope it's not, but it seems like it might be.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Alright, Humillin's gonna join us next. I love Boris Bashing
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM
My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan with you as
well til ten o'clock this morning. A lot of baseball
things to discuss today, nothing pleasant, and a lot of
Seahawks stuff to talk about today, and most of that
usually is pleasant. But if there is one thing making
people uncomfortable around these here on ponks about our World champs,
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it is whether or not we should or shouldn't pursue
this Terry and Arnold thing. So good morning to you.
Hard Knocks Episode two did air last night. And again
I think I say this because I think some people
are like, I'm taping that. Don't ruin it for me, Surrey.
This is like a major event. This is like a game.
(00:41):
I mean, I can't after a Seahawks game come on
Monday morning and be like, just in case somebody wants
to watch it later on today. Yeah, well we want to.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Ask you any questions about how Sam Darnold did because
someone might wanna might not have been able to watch
it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, be careful. Said this year, we don't want to
give anything away.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, we don't want to tell him who won or
how Sam did.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So yeah, we're gonna have to treat this like a game.
So here we are talking about hard Knocks, which I
think the episode as a whole was really just showcasing
Seahawks culture, how great Mike McDonald has made it. The
type of leader Mike McDonald is, which right now, I mean,
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who doesn't want that guy? Who doesn't want that guy
as your leader? You know, the guy that's going to
tell you how it's going to be done. He's in control.
He makes that very clear. He gives you all sorts
of a long rope to be yourself. He will pull
it when he needs to. He will be firm about it,
he will be direct about it, and then he'll circle
back and tell you all as well, you know I
(01:47):
got to do this sort of thing. I love you,
you know that. I mean, that is like as good
as it gets. And I don't know how many books
he's read, or how many people he's been around, and
how many nuggets that he's stolen from other people in
his life that have been leaders to him. But whatever
he did to get to this point, my gosh, are
the Seahawks benefiting from it because that is a leader.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, And it's so fascinating to me too, because he's
able to be a leader without and exert his authority
without seemingly having an ego about it. I mean even
when he says, yeah, it's my practice, like turns out,
I run this.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know, like even then, it was like it wasn't
like look at me, it's my I mean, it's still the.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Way he delivered it. It wasn't like, yeah, being a
jerk about it. It was like, hey, man, get in line,
come on.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I don't know. It's a fascinating and not overcussing,
but effective cussing.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Effective cussing, which is what I teach my.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Child, which is great. And then of course the collection
of people that he's brought in. I mean, if you've
watched two episodes and you're worried about Derek Hall, like
they might be a bad teammate, Like number one, I
disagree with you. That's not what I came away with.
It feels like they love him. But he's a little
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bit like the crazy kid on the playground. Sometimes he
gets a little carried away and you got scold him
every once in a while and he might pout for
a second, but he's gonna see the big picture. I
think that Ad and Dirty said it right, Like the
things that drive us nuts a little nuts about him
are the things that we love about him and why
we gave him fourteen million dollars a year. So if
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that's the if that's the bad character on the roster,
I think you're sitting pretty good the way Sam's come off,
the way Jsn's come off, the way Leonard Williams has
come off, the way Eman Warrior's like, it's just the culture.
You see the leadership first, and then you see the
culture and you're like, Okay, I get it. I get
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how that leader has built this culture, and I get
how they've changed their philosophy to make sure the people
in that locker room are on the same page and
they're not just selfish and they do things the right way,
and they have the teammates backs and everything else. I mean,
more than anything else, I think maybe that Mike McDonald
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has done, and that includes bringing the greatest defensive mind
in the sport currently to Seattle. The culture he's built
in two short years explains why we're already world champions
under his leadership, because they have changed the way that
they evaluate players and they have shot character way up
that list. And for them to have taken Leonard Williams
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when he's thinking about retirement in New York because he
just wasn't having as much fun playing football, And then
bring him here to Seattle and we find out how
great a player he is, how great a leader he is,
how great a person that he is. I mean, my goodness,
what a what a boon for this organization. And John
deserves a lot of credit for that too. That's not
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just that's not just Mike gets the credit for that.
I mean that's an equal share credit, maybe even more
so for John to pull off the trade to get
Leonard Williams. But that it's just a very likable group.
And that might be boring for a Jets fan that's
turning into this, but for a Seahawks fan that's sitting
on top of the world right now, and you watch
Hard Knocks and you get some nitty gritty details from
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behind the scenes about how just what does make all
of these players take? I think, I like that guy.
Let's find out more about him, and then you come
away liking him even more. I mean, what a magical
formula that they've got work in here right now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean I even just loved the fight between who
Mason Richmond and Riley Mills, and they get into it
on the field and everyone's like, and you know, Mills
gets all pissed, and then to settle it they have
to hold sledgehammers in front of the whole team, and
the face of Mason Richmond as he's.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like, I don't want to lose.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
This, you know, and everybody gets to be entertained by it.
I just I was like, even that is it was
just it was perfectly done.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And Mills didn't look like he was struggling at all
at all.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Were made of air because he was like, I could
hold these for seven days.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Those are some strong shoulders. Yeah, those are.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He did not care.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So yeah, I mean, I don't know if the rest
of the country's enjoying it all that much. I'll tell
you this, I have not enjoyed the last few hard
knocks with other teams, but certainly for us to get
a little more insight into how our players tick, how
Mike McDonald's operation ticks, it's been fantastic. I mean, can't
get enough of it. Two episodes. I've enjoyed every second
(06:24):
of both the episodes. And yet there was some news
yesterday and that kind of is the big story here today.
Seahawks are definitely in on Terry and Arnold. If you
didn't already know that, he came to visit twice, so
that should give you every indication. And then how are
they discussing it behind the scenes. I didn't think we'd
get as much information as we did about Terry and
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Arnold last night, including some John Schneider in his office
moment where he's sort of trying to already prepare the
organization for the pr hit that they'll have to take
if they signed Terry and Arnold. So let's pick it
up with leave.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
John Schneider is deciding if he can sign Terry and Arnold,
a gifted cornerback facing multiple felony counts. His former team,
the Detroit Lions, cut him after his arrest. He's still
awaiting a resolution to his case. There's no doubt the
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third year pro could bolster the Hawk's secondary Still, no
amount of due diligence will spare the team from criticism
if he's offered a contract.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It happens.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I'm trying to remember Lake, what does Terry and Arnold
think like Woby Another controversial signing that's happened, So we
could kind of like, oh, I can understand that situation.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Situations where someone has like an outstanding thing.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Right and then look at Holloway and were traded for
a chois a choirs?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know
about you, Ashley, greg and I talked about a little
bit earlier this morning. I mean that is a general
manager who still has that talent is talent mentality, Yep,
even though drafting for character and making it more important
in the last two or three years is as big
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a reason as to mean. It's not like you didn't
draft talented guys. It didn't bring up a bunch of
good guys. You drafted talented guys, but you certainly have
made character a bigger priority in your last three drafts
and in your offseason moves. And yet there's still this
part and John that's like, Hey, talent is talent and
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is already getting out ahead of I want to sign him.
That's my takeaway. I want to sign him. I want
him on this roster. Now you tell me how big
of a pr blow we're going to get back on
this and are we okay with that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Find some examples that I could use of where it
worked out.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, and it's not like he's gonna lose the fan
base if he signs Terry and Arnold. No, you forgave
him for you know, uh, Frank Clark. It took like
one sack before everybody was rooting for Frank Clark, even
though at the time I remember taking phone calls on
this and everybody was done being a seahawk. Not everybody
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a people who are there are a lot of beat
There are a lot of people are done. I won't
root for a team that signs a guy like that.
He gets two sacks and we love him, So he
knows that that's what will happen eventually, as long as
Arnold is exonerated. But there's that Rascal and John Schneider,
that general manager that sat there with Pete and had
conversations at the table, discussing, you know, let's get him,
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we'll deal with a.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Pr Yeah, they would have done it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And so he's already mapping that out and trying to
figure out we'll take the PR hit. I'm not worried
about that, but for the sake of everybody else in
the organization, how do we lessen it? How do we
deal with it. What are some other examples of how
teams have done this and didn't come away with didn't
come away by angering everybody?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right, Which shouldn't be surprising to any fans that he
would make sure that he did all his research before
he made a move like this, because it is a
big deal. And even if and again this isn't based
on if Terry and Arnold is guilty or not guilty,
because we don't know that.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's just it's also a distraction.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's also I mean, eight felonies isn't something like you know,
he accidentally, you know, fell asleep at the wheel and
crashed into a parked car, right, I mean, this is
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Could be live in prison.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It could be life in prison. So it's it is.
It seems bigger than anything else. So yeah, you better
be doing your research if you're going to think about
bringing this guy in.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right, So that was John caught in the office
overhead boom mics. Here he is being interviewed about it.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
We have ninety players here right now.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We're always kind of looking for what's next.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
How do we how do we get ready for you know,
a corner that's not here yet? You know, like guys
that we're gonna need at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You want to be strong as healthy as possible.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
In December January.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Last night I was talking about carry talk to jam
about Oh yeah, he was awesome. He's a leak. He's
got a buddy, high school buddy. He's like, this was
to be awesome for him. Just have a baby, his
wife and up here, up here with them, be awesome.
He's like, he's just like, it's just like spool Joey
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thinks he is gonna be able to play in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Sweet might be unfair. I read that as man John
is John really wants him because the GM and him
is like, I can get a first round talent who's
still in his mid twenties and probably get him to
play here for league minimum, just selling him on the
fact that he can be a part of a world
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championship culture and be under the guidance of the best
defensive mind in the National Football League. He's not going
to get some big giant offer from anyone, so that
alone should get him here to Seattle. But I haven't
yet convinced my head coach we should do it. Yep,
that's how I read that, and I know that there
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was that little quip maybe you heard it, maybe you didn't,
where he was like sweet, Mike said sweet. Yep. I
did not get the impression that Mike has sold on
this at all from that episode. And it's really short clips, right,
but I didn't get the impression that Mike sold on
this idea at all. And I get the impression that
John is completely sold on it, and that John is
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coming into Mike's office. I talked to college teammate Milroe.
He thinks he's awesome, he's the best guy in the world,
so he's really trying to like sell him on Mike.
That's the impression I drew from there.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And that's the same thing I've seen.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I mean, he even says, oh, it plays just like
spoon and then he's oh, g really yeah, that was
that little thing, and I was like okay. And then
he when he says and he'll be available for the preseason, Well,
I think that when Mike responds with sweet, I mean
that's for two reasons. One, Well, we don't care if
he can play in the preseason, right, what's his eligibility
going to be like in the actual year, is he
going to be in jail or is he going to
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be on a field right? And when he says sweet,
he might as well have said neat. I mean it
was that kind of like, Okay, I see what you're doing.
I know you want this guy, so you're going to
continue to do the thing the thing you're going to do,
but I'm not convinced of this and he does not
fit anything I've been trying to put together here.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and if and if you had that same conclusion,
Ashley and I sort of had the same conclusion. There.
Sounds like Leave and HBO had the same conclusion as well,
because this is how they ended the episode.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Getting the right fit isn't always easy. Normally, a highly
skilled player would be a shoe in, but with Terran Arnold,
the free agent with the legal problems, it's not that simple.
So Seattle has invited him to the facility. Mike McDonald
has questions will Arnold make the team better? And equally important,
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does he understand the culture and what Seattle is building?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And that's what you weigh with every decision as a
professional sports organization. You weigh reward versus risk. Does Rian
Arnold make our secondary better? Yeah? Probably, Yeah, I'm sure
if he's eligible, if he's not in prison, and he's
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on a football field, and the Seahawks will be better
for having him on the football field, But at what cost?
Certainly nothing cap wise, it doesn't feel like or financial wise.
And I think there's a pretty decent chance that he
blends with the personalities. But why run the risk of
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bringing on someone that would take the law into their
own hands and voyor watch three people be beaten, whether
they stole from him or not, and then didn't even
take the time to make sure they were the right
three people. You really want to introduce that into your
perfect world champion. The reason we are world champions is
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probably because of this culture that we've created in such
a short period of time. You really want to inject
that in there so you can be a little bit better,
so you've got depth at the nickel position. That's what
we're doing. That's what you want to do. I think
almost I think almost every NFL franchise in the league
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would do this, But I don't think the Seahawks should.
I don't think they need to, And I don't know
why you would risk being in such great position for
this upcoming season to defend your title by bringing this
into your chicken coop.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And that's the exact thing there is the risk verse
Is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so,
because you already have a great defense. Yeah, it would
always be nice to improve. Nobody's ever gonna say, Gosh,
I don't want we're perfect, we don't want to improve anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's no, that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But the risk here with your fan base, with your
locker room, with your coaching staff, with your legal team.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, it's just too big.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And it's not like this is the I mean, this
is big enough, Like, what is this crime? What were
you responsible for? Who are who are these people that
you did this to? What did they do to you? Exactly?
What are we going to find out in a hearing
because you're certainly going to end up in a hearing.
Charges haven't exactly been dropped, so it certainly wasn't just
(17:09):
a clear misunderstanding.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Sorry Fellas, he's got court today. I think, yeah, so
that's not been dropped. And then here's the last piece
of information. And I know I've mentioned this a couple
times this week, but the Detroit Lions didn't hesitate. Nope,
I mean, they've got far more invested in Terry and
Arnold than what the Seahawks would.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Have to invest in him. They've got millions, they got
a first round traf pick. They've got a weak secondary
that has been their issue. Probably the reason why they
haven't won a super Bowl or at least gone to
a Super Bowl in the last couple of years is
because their secondary two years in a row got devastated
by the time crunch time rolled around in the season.
(17:49):
And so of all the teams that should let's make
sure on this Terrrian arm let's not make a rash decision,
it would be the Detroit Lions. And they cut him
the next morning. Yeah, after the news broke. They may
have known it longer, but after the news broke, they
cut him the next morning. Yep, and have not looked
(18:10):
back on that. So and I don't think the Detroit
Lyons have some jackass organization anymore. And I don't think
Dan Campbell is some you.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Know, it's definitely not a pushover.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, and they decided, you know what, it's not worth it,
the Jews is not worth the squeeze.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, I don't blame him, Let's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Let him go. And now here we are. Here, we
are with this almost perfect culture in sports, sitting on
top of the mountain, and we're gonna invite this person
to sit at our table with all of this unknown
as a not just as a criminal violator potentially, but
just as a human being and as a teammate what
(18:50):
makes him tick. And we're gonna risk that just to
improve an already good secondary, maybe an already great secondary.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Doesn't seem worth it to me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I wouldn't do it. No, And I my impression of
last night is that John Schneider is really trying to
talk Mike into this. That's the that's the impression that
I took it all right? Coming up next, Yeah, it
was a huge game last night. As ugly as it was,
it was a huge game. And so we will have
(19:24):
the Baseball Brunch Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
The first lesson today is don't assume anything.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know what happens when you assume that's.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right, you make an ass out of you and me.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Don't do that. Kids.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, it's time for our Mariners game recap, eight thirty
Mariners game recap, and yeah, we don't have a lot
of good things to tell you, but it does feel
important that we do share some stuff here today. The
Mariners ended up losing last night to the New York
Yankees four to one, but if the show did start anyone,
(19:57):
it was Brian Wu with five shutout innings, And when
Brian Wu was presumably leaving the game, Randy A Rose
Arena decided, let me give you a chance to win
this game, buddy too.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
Two, this is deep, the opposite way it is gone.
Randy Arose Arena the opposite field home run to put
the Maritors in front into sixth. Then in Yankee Stadium
Gibbeth to the Mariners won nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Seattle, remember when we were so full of hope.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
One to nothing at that point, but Brian Wo's day
was done. Our bullpen obviously has not performed well as
of late, except for Andres Munnos and Gabe Spire apparently
was not available last night with some sort of mysterious
back injury that popped up on his flight from Seattle
to New York, so apparently he wasn't available. So Jose
(20:55):
Ferrer came in in the sixth and was dominant sixteen
pitch and man he looked as good as he's looked
maybe all season long in that inning last night. But
like Brian wu after the fifth, Dan Wilson didn't want
to overtax anybody.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
No, because why would you? Yeah, why would an important
time of the season.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, and decided one inning is good. We will face
left handers. Two left handers to start the next inning,
very good hitters with Michael Rucker who came out of
the bullpen and proceeded to give up four base runners
and the next five men that he faced, Edward Bizardo
relieved him couldn't clean up his mess. And the next
(21:37):
thing you know, the Mariners are down four to one
and they just did not show any fight to come
back once again from a more than two run deficit,
and they lose the game four to one to fall
to eight games under five hundred on the season. It
prompted cal ralegh our featured guest appearance here today in
the Baseball Brunch to meet the media, not just the
(22:00):
Seattle media, but the New York media as well. He
came out of the locker room in full uniform and
decided he had something to say in the hallway after
the game. Here's cow. Yeah, man, it's not good, not
quite well.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Uh you knows such for me, you know, I'm auful.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So it's uh, this is what it is.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Just gotta got hall way to be better and to help,
you know, bring the dock guys along.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And they uh, you know, we just have one there.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I mean, we're just playing very very very out of
that's falling, you know, every every fast of the game.
You'll gotta you gotta pick up you know, from the
the nagers that going to the you know, executioner, to.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
All things in the game to help you win baseball games.
And and we're sean to hold that up.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Yeah, that's the first start to do.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Would want to see this to taking operation.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yeah, I think we just gotta we just we gotta
bring that edge every day.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know, it's tough, things are going your.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Way and uh you know it's hard to feel like
against you, but you gotta you know, you.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Gotta have a good attitude.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
You gotta ultimately bring that edge to play every single
day because it never given to you. You gotta go
take it. Sometimes your feeling after yourself. You got lots
of days out there you maybe maybe have a little
less energy or maybe you don't have quite the edge
that you should have every single day, and.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, that starts me a lot of blame on yourself.
You want to blame on the other players. Dan is
taking a lot of blame and ores. Where are you
at with that experience?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I mean, ultimately, you know, the players decide the outcomes
of these things.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You know, obviously Dan has to say and who comes
in and writes the line up?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
And you understand that at the end of the day,
those twenty six guys have.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
To be ready to blame.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
You have to, you know, rely on each other.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And that's where the performance complain.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
You know, Dan's playing eger he's out there playing what
he's not out there pitching. You know, that's what it
comes down to, comes out with the twenty six guys
in that locker room and around to lean on some
different guys each night, and that you know starts in
up outs and we just have to do a better
job of relaying that and understanding I can't point fingers.
(24:18):
We can't, yeah, says Jerry's fall and Nussell's fall or
Dames Folly can't. It's not their fault, it's our call.
Where we're the ones that are accept that. It's just
the taut for audio of it. That's, like I said,
is a bas later on the team. You know, I feel,
you know, responsible, and you just have to do you know,
I just have to do a better job of getting
(24:41):
ready to go and be prepared and bring that you know,
the edge, and that bringing this night and stuff like a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Sow rally after the game. Not the greatest audio in
the world did get better, but it was important for
us to replay that and just case maybe you didn't
hear some of the highlights. He basically started off by saying,
it starts with me, I'm awful. That's how he began it. Yes,
(25:08):
and then said, we were playing very, very bad baseball
in every facet. Now I don't think that's necessarily true
every facet of the game. I thought you got some
good starting pitching last night. Yeah, he added, we got
to pick it up. We got to bring that edge
every day, and we're not, which is very important. I mean,
(25:31):
it's a cliche to say we got to play that
edge every day. It suddenly does not become a cliche
when you say we're not, which is something that let's
face it, a lot of Mariner fans have been complaining
about all season long, from Ashley to Dick Fane, to
myself and to a lot of you that have corresponded
(25:51):
with us or have a life there on social media.
And it looks like they it looks like at times
they don't they do right. It looks at times like
they're not trying. They are, but there's a difference between
trying and having that edge. And we've watched them play
(26:16):
a couple of games this year, that first game of
the Dodgers series where they seem to play with a
different edge and you thought maybe that was going to
kick start something. Didn't that four to two win over
the Tigers. They seem to play with an edge that night.
Thought maybe that was going to kickstart something. It didn't.
So for the captain of the team, in essence, he
doesn't wear a seed, but for the captain of the
(26:38):
team to come out there and say we're not playing
with the edge that we need to and again it
starts with me and can't be pouting that it's not
happening for us individually. We got to come together as
a team. That in essence was the message. But is
it too little, too late?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And That's my fear is because obviously we know time wise, yes,
we have time to overcome this deficit. I mean we
just if you watched the fiftieth Anniversary special on Saturday,
they talked about the nineteen ninety five team coming back
from thirteen games down to end up winning the division
in that going to that tiebreaker game and winning the division.
So mathematically, no, they're not out of it. Time wise,
(27:15):
they're not out of it. They've got plenty of time
for the deficit they have. The problem is, Okay, where
does that edge come from? Are you just going to
decide to bring it today? And if that's what's happening,
why didn't you decide to bring it last month or
the month before?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Like where has it been?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and don't I don't think it's necessarily a decision.
It's just a competitive fire.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, where is that fire?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Even when you are trailing four to one? Because Dan
made a stupid decision and put Michael Rutger in the
game last night, even when that backfired, And like me,
you probably see Rucker on the mound and think the
game's over, And the only one that doesn't is Dan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I wonder who would defend on the roster. Who would
be defending that choice?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't know, But where is that fire? Where is
that competitive There's a difference between wanting to win and
trying and having that competitive edge that might separate yourself
from your opponent that day and pull out a victory.
I do want to talk about the Rucker thing and
not just be glib and sarcastic about it. It's just
(28:21):
mind blowing. I sent out a tweet on Saturday. They
got a bit of attraction. I think the most astonishing
thing that I've witnessed this entire season, and not just
with the Mariners, but in all of baseball, is Dan
Wilson's faith in Michael Rutger. Yeah, and then to last
night put him in a one run game, up one
(28:43):
nothing in the seventh inning. It makes just zero sense
to me. I mean, this is the time to push
guys who are actually effective. I know Ferrera has not
been effective as of late, but he was last night,
facing two left He's the very next inning. Let him
go back out there, and that's where.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The in game situation, the endgame awareness comes into play.
Oh okay, wait, we can't just go with he goes
out for winning and then he goes away because that's
what we normally do. Look at how effective he was,
maybe we should keep him.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, the only reason to do that is so let's
use it so we can use him tomorrow night. You
don't know what the game's going to be like tonight.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You've got to play for the day you're on.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yes, that's what happens when you're in mid August and
you're four and a half games out of first place
in seven games under five hundred. You can't play for
tomorrow anymore, and you are taking fair and effective lefty
knowing you don't have spire against the lineup that has
seven left handers in it, and you're taking him out
of the game because well, maybe we can use him tomorrow.
(29:45):
We take him out now, we might be able to
use tomorrow. You could have let him pitch one more
inning and still use him today, yep. Or he could
have kept Woo in it's not Or you could have
kept Woo in last night if you know you're down
a man, yep. And Michael Rucker this year has and
good in mop up roles and terrible in close games.
(30:07):
Interesting because that's what he is, a mop up guy.
For any major league roster out there, and we're using
him in high leverage situations way too much. And when
I say we, I mean Dan, Yeah, Michael Rucker in
close games trailing by two or fewer or leading to
(30:27):
or by two or less. Seven games sent in this
last month and a half because everybody keeps telling me,
we go to two point seven eoe E RA in
the last month and a half. But in close games
he has a six point seven five ERA. And that's
even excusing him for those two runs he gave up
against Uh, who who do we play over the weekend?
(30:51):
The rais oh yeah, yeah, when he was brought in
in a when he was brought in for some unknown reason. Uh.
And then he also allowed in an herited run in
the tenth, So those don't count against his ZRA. But
he's given up eight runs and six and two thirds
innings when the game is close, when the games within
one run and he's been brought in, which has been
(31:14):
four times in that span, he's given up eight runs
and two and two thirds innings. That's a twenty seven ERA,
and not just the runs, eleven base runners. He's given
up eleven base runners in two and two thirds innings.
You got a encyclopedia stack of analytics that you're pouring over,
(31:36):
and you just can't see fundamentally, he is not good
in high leverage situations. He's never been in them before,
and he does not perform well in them. There's enough evidence,
and we keep going with him with the season completely
on the line. And again, when I say we, I
(31:57):
mean Dan, I don't know what the infatuation is with him.
He's fine on the roster. I don't have a problem
with Michael Rucker being on the roster. He's terrific in
mop up situations because that's what he is. He's a
mop up reliever. And we keep using him in high
leverage situations with the season on the line, and it
(32:17):
makes no sense to me. And we're not asking anybody
else to push a little bit further to try to
save us in this desperate situation. Nope, we're just gonna
manage this like it's April eighth. What are we doing?
All right? Coming up next, Actually we're gonna hear from
(32:39):
Ryan Healy. I'll explain next. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. It's with us. Last week, we're having as
I felt riveting conversation about whether or not MLB should
go to a salary cap. And it turns out that
Hugh Millen was a pioneer for the damn salary cap.
He was there. He was a player up in the
(33:00):
National Football League almost his entire career from year two on,
and he was there when they were drafting the first
collective arguing agreement in professional American sports that would include
a salary cap. And so I didn't even realize that
he was this fountain of knowledge. We tapped into it
last week, and right when he got to the good
(33:20):
part where he was getting ready to throw Scott Morris
under the bus, we lost him. We lost him on
the airwaves, and so we have to make up for this,
and we're going to do that today at nine o'clock,
So that's coming up at the top of the hour.
But I did want to finish off this Mariner conversation,
especially full circle Dan Wilson, cal Rowley's comments about trying
to find the edge, all of that stuff. Yesterday we
(33:43):
had Ryan Heally on and Ashley'll tell you, I was
going to play his clip about the offense, but now
it makes more sense to play this clip when we
had Ryan Heally on because I asked him first of all,
I asked him what does Dan Wilson bring to the table.
And he had a nice reaction about that, and I said,
offer one criticism of Dan. Tell me something you would
(34:04):
be critical of of Dan. And here's what Ryan Healy said.
It's a hard question, Chuck. I know it's a really
hard question. I know what my answer is. How I
say it matters a lot. I think we all see
the postgame interviews, right, yeah, and they tend to blend
together the pretty similar, pretty much the same thing, every game,
(34:25):
same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So my.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Hope, because I don't know this for certain, I'm not
in those rooms and what the conversations are with the players,
I hope that there is more matter of fact in
truth spoken behind closed doors, and I hope that there's
more accountability to what is actually true and happening behind
closed doors.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It may be and it may not be working.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
I don't know that, but I do hope that there
is at least the truth being spoken from manager to
player or coaches to players about what's happening right now
throughout the course of the season. And I hope that
he's not relaying the same message that he is to
the media that he is to the team.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Ryan Heley yesterday, that does not sound very interesting now
based off of what we heard from cal yeah after
the game last night.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And yeah, and it's something that we've said as well,
like Okay, if you're going to be out here and
be bland, just please don't be doing that in there.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
And for him to be wondering about that, Yeah. And
then for cal Raley at game one twenty of the
season forty two to go to come out to the press,
to instigate that little impromptu press conference and talk about
how we're not playing with an edge, it does make
(35:43):
you wonder if it's just as soft behind the scenes,
does it not?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And cal Rawly was more critical of him and himself
and his own teammates than Dan has ever been.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean the act it was more critical of the
team than Dan Wilson.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
In one press con we got more truth from maniacta
and one without sounding like he threw anybody under the
bus or was overly critical, just fair, just honest.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, decided I'm not going to recap the game. I'm
going to tell you what went wrong, and I'm also like,
when I say Bryce didn't have it, I'm gonna say,
but he figured it out because I was ready to
pull him in the first inning.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
And I gotta give him a shout out for going five.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And please, can we just somebody get to him and say,
you can never say tough one tonight ever again?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
No ever.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I mean, we have had fifty six wins this year
and sixty four tough ones.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Tonight, but we didn't fight till the end in all
of them.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, we have lost five tough ones tonight in a row.
And this is where we are. Yeah, this lowliest state
yet of this Major League Baseball season, and some things
have got to change. And I just think Cal's rallying
cry for more edge is like a month and a half,
two months too late.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I hope it's not, but it seems like it might be.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Alright, Humillin's gonna join us next. I love Boris Bashing
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