July 10, 2026 • 26 mins
Spain move on past Belgium to play France in the semifinal, how captivating is the world cup at this stage with all the stars showing out? Is toughness valued in soccer as much as other sports?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now from the Star Rentals Sports Deaths Jordan ninety three
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Sports headlines at a little bit of an odd time,
two twenty three. We'll call it our two o'clock headlines
here on ninety three point three KJRFM. Mariners in Tampa
tonight after Seattle got unceremoniously swept in Tampa. That was
a fun series. Julio Rodriguez eligible to come off the
IL with his concussion, but the team likely will sit
(00:29):
him until after the All Star break. The sale of
the Seahawks reportedly down to two groups, the one led
by Celtics minority owner Aditya Mattal and former Celtics majority
owner Wick Grausebeck, and the other led by forty nine
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Storm lose last night in Atlanta.
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Eighty nine seventy eight Kawhi Leonards trade to the Raptors
on hold, pending the outcome of the NBA's investigation into
whether the Clippers circumvented salary cap rules. And Hannes Steinbach
had fifteen points and eleven boards first NBA Summer League
game with the Hornets last night. Hey, you got some
extra Softian Dick without the soft on today.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
How about that.
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Let's go and now to Goofy Waco out of touch.
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
Just for.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
From Elliot Day and you feel it now. This is
Softy and Dick.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, boys, Hugh Millan Andrews Hearst. We got all
our bases covered today. Here's here's what we got. This
is not a Friday that we're just gonna mail it in.
We're gonna cover all our bases today. We're gonna start
with soccer, which is natural since we just came off
the soccer broadcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We're gonna then.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Weave seamlessly into the absolute crap fest that is the
Seattle Mariners. Weave that in in the three o'clock in
the early stage of the forecast to that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Then in the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We'll talk some football, because we haven't done that very
very much this week, if at all, with Hughbreed Love Millan,
and then Francis Williams is going to join us at
five thirty and talk about some hoops because he's down
at the NBA Summer League.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So we got all our bases covered, Hugh, how are
you my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm well, guys, how were you?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You get paid extra for coming on at two twenty
five today because it was a little.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
You know, there was no.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Jokers in the afternoon. Need to have your time. Then
it seems like I get one of the first calls.
So here I am good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Jackson.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jackson just walked in about five minutes ago and he
with the guy's name Senna Yeamans.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Is that the Senna laments?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He was like, you should be cursing that guy's name. Man,
make a freaking save and that goes the extra time.
But we had a we had a good game. It
was a good game Spain and Belgium. Belgium, I think
played the type of game that we thought they were
going to play. Let's bunker down, let's be defensive like
we are, let's be tough, let's be veteran and try
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to get it to extra time, try to get it
to penalty kicks. So I'm gonna throw this out there
first to you, gentlemen. Does Belgium kind of hanging in
there and not giving up the game winning goal until
minutes before the final gun before extra time? Hugh does
it make it seem any less painful at all.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That we lost to Belgium.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, I think Spain. Look not, I don't have any
expertise in soccer, far from it, but it seemed like
Spain was dominating. They had nine to two shots on
goal in the first half. I don't know what it
was for the for the for the second half, but
I I just it looked to me andres like Spain
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was just the superior team. So I think that the
now not. I don't think the Spain eye test over
Belgium was as dramatic as the Belgium eye test over
the United States. But no, I don't. It doesn't comfort
me thinking that that the United States is any close
to the elites in the world. In fact, if anything,
(04:03):
it probably nudges it away from them.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, I think I'm with you Spain. The way they play,
even though they just win by one goal and they're
kind of notorious for doing that, they dominate every single
game that they play in and just kind of pass
you to death, so to speak. So eventually it was
going to end up being the winner. I think if
the US was in this game, they still would have
lost almost every single time so it is one of
those situations. I don't feel like that much better because
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Belgium took maybe one of the favorites to the brink,
so to speak. But it still hurts more than nature
that had happened, the loss to Belgium, less than the
fact that the US is out of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, that's all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Like the completed passes at one point it was like
five hundred and eighty to two hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And four exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It was just it was it was well more than
more than doubled in that one and it was just
it looked like Spain was kind of a if I
translated into football, looks Spain lows like the football team
that just controlled the ball, yep, march down the field
every single possession and then got inside the twenty and
was just.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Like, yeah, we got nothing, go get field goals. Maybe
yeah there exactly, we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We can't we can't do anything with this Belgian Belgian
diva defense.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But okay, so so preview a little Spain France for
US Anders.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, I think this is going to be a tactical
matchup for the ages because France are so high powered
in their attack. They're the twenty nineteen chiefs. If you're
gonna go with a football analysis where they just have
so many weapons, probably the player that's playing the best
at this World Cup in Killing and Bape as well.
They could score on a moment's notice. But the way
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Spain plays, they will again, like I said, Spain dominate
every game in terms of possession, so France will have
just less volume of opportunities in general, so they will
nullify that France team, I feel like, as well as
any other team available. So in my opinion, France is
the overwhelming favorite to win the turn at this point
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in time. This Spain team is the kind of the
best chance for them to lose at this point. So
if you're rooting against France, you're really rooting for Spain
to get it done here because I don't think any
other teams that are left can beat France at this point.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You're still gonna be in it. Man, He's gonna be
watching this.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, I think I'll watch it because I'm coming on
kg R next week and I know one of you
yocals are gonna ask me about it. But you know,
I do think it's interesting guys that that you know,
for those who really don't know soccer. We were told
coming into the tournament. Okay, in Bappi, whoever he is,
(06:36):
who's he played for France? Okay, he's one of the best. Messi, Okay,
we know he's Argentina, he's one of the best. You
got this Holland guy for Norway, He's one of the best.
This is what this is all what we were told before.
Harry Kane, Rocky all there, man and and and then
this Jamal from Spain. I mean he looks like a
(06:58):
Mozart out there. You know, all the guys that we
were told are the best. Now you look up two
three weeks into the tournament and you say, who's in
contention for what, the Golden Boot, the Golden Foot Award, whatever,
the most All all the guys that we're told are
the best are the ones that are leading the World
Cup Series in scoring. So so I think, if anything,
(07:21):
obviously the fact that we're the host nation and these
games are going to be played on US soil is
going to bring some viewers. But I think that to
the extent that star power is important. Certainly, the NBA
for decades built they're you know, their branding about star
power and what have you. The star power is coming
through in this tournament in ways you couldn't have even imagine.
(07:42):
I mean, it's like every single one of them is
not only still alive, but thriving and in contention to
win that that that that Golden boot. So I don't know,
I would think Andrews, that that would be a good
thing for for Fox and the ratings over the next
couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think that's been one of
the pleasant surprises, not that stars are all perform or
performing at this tournament, but that there's really not been
a superstar that isn't at this point. I think all
of the best players, like you said, are performing at
this level. I think you obviously have Spain France on
one side. Those are two of the best teams in
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the world. Something could happen with with Switzerland or Norway,
but it seems like we are gonna get Argentina England,
which if you were to ask me the four best
teams in the world going into the tournament, I would
have said those four teams Argentina, England, Spain and France.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Is that usual?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Both with the superstar power that advances to the final
four but also just the four best teams advanced to
the final four.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
At least one or two, kind of similar to like
NCAA tournament, there's usually at least one or two, like
somewhat Cinderella's at this point in the tournament, and if
Norway were to advance, they would be that, right, or
Switzerland as well.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
What's Norway ranked?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Like they're in the teams similar I think there's similar
to what the US is a check.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That okay, yeah, But getting back to Dick's question at
the onset of the segment, Guys, I'm just kind of
making inferences by looking at these these statistics just because
they kind of make common sense. The total shot attempts
today Spain fourteen, Belgium five, so they almost triple that.
(09:22):
I would think that's important. That's something like in football,
either yards or time of possession. Right, shots on shots
on goal, which is distinguished from total shot attempts, but
shots on goals Spain tripled Belgium six to two. Saves
were required, Spain only had one save required. Belgium had
four corner kicks, again speaking to the attack and something
(09:48):
right six to two in favorite Spain. You go back. Actually,
shots on goal from you know, Belgium over the US
seven to two, fifteen to seven, Belgium over US fifteen
to si having in total shots, attempts and corner kicks
five to three. I mean, if anything, you know, there
are some of these stats that I would assume are
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important where Spain dominated Belgium even more than Belgium dominated
the United States. If we're just going, you know, if
we're just only focused on those particular stats.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, I think you're right to kind of point that
out here, because just my general consensus, even before the
US Belgium game is the US and Belgium were really
kind of give or take in terms of which team
was better. And again that's one of the reasons why
I was so disappointed to see the US just crap
the bed in that big moment, because I don't believe
they're that much worse of a team than Belgium is.
(10:42):
They just made some awful individual mistakes and it didn't
seem like they were ready for the moment in Belgium was.
But Spain is just another level above both of those teams.
So I think you're completely right in saying that. You know,
it's just it's like, once you get to the quarterfinals,
that's like a step up, you know, And obviously that's
the case farther along you go in the tournament, but
it's significantly so from the round of sixteen.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, guys, one of the biggest stories, at least on
the American side of this whole thing, is Christian Polisic
and Andrews.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We haven't talked to you about your take on the
whole thing. Carly Lloyd has come out and firmly.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Refused to apologize to Christian Polisic following the US elimination
from the World Cup. She says, I don't owe anyone
an apology. She was kind of critical for his post
match interview, maybe more so than she was even critical
of him coming out of the game. What do you
think about the publicization of his injury. I've seen it
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reported as something as significant as he fractured his leg.
That's what it's said in the Seattle Times today. Fractured leg.
Wait a second, Okay, he had a microfracture and a
bone bruise, And it almost seems like this is being
trumpeted to be more than it is by the Pulisic camp.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I totally agree with you and I think it kind
of goes to show you. I heard you guys played
some clips about different analysts that were kind of jumping
on the same bandwagon that Carly Lloyd was, whether that
was Taylor Twelman, Landon Donovan as well, all speaking to
the kind of the similar tune that they expected more
from Christian Poolisic, and Taylor Twelman, who actually is close
(12:21):
with Christian Poolisic, went as far as to say, he
doesn't want to be the guy, and you could you
could tell that even though that's what his team, that's
what his nation expects of him, he didn't want that
and he kind of he shrunk in the big moment.
Asked to be sub off in a knockout game, I mean,
you should be have to be dragged off the field.
You saw that with Kevin de Bruyna today with Belgium.
(12:43):
He's like thirty four years old at the very tail
end of his career and he has been carrying an
injury almost all tournament and still refused to come off
and wanted to play the until the end of the game.
And that's what you expect from your big time playoffs,
which the US I don't think really had anyone to
in that situation. And that kind of goes back into
the whole conversation about the superstars, where I think everyone
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wants Christian Pulisik to be that guy for the US A.
I don't think he wants it, and B he never
has risen to that level. And you could tell how
important it is by who's left in the tournament, right.
It's it's the teams that have the best players in
the world, obviously, but it's not just having a good
some of the parts. It's having the superstars that kind
of carry you over the finish line when you're not
(13:25):
playing well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And it kind of perpetuates the narrative really of the
soft soccer player, and.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
It's unfortunate at least the American player, at least.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The American So it perpetuates that that stereotype, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I think a couple thoughts. First of all, when
you say fracture, and I don't want to get over
my skis. Obviously, I never went to medical school what
have you. But I've been in an MRI two more
times than I care to have been right, and it's
my understanding. And if you mds out there orthopopedic surgeons
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what have you. And you can interject, but if you
take X rays of athletes and probably even people in
the in the population, there's a point you say, oh,
you've got little you got a little fracture there, you know,
like like you've got little, you know, a strain you
can look at say, oh, that's barely a fracture. A
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fracture is not is not binary. It's not like you
have a broken leg or you're totally healthy. There's a
lot of there's two hundred and fifty six shades of gray.
And I mean that more literal because X rays are gray,
right and and MRIs but but so so you have
that point. I mean, uh my, you know I started
a year for the Patriots where I had broke the
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the in on my index finger of my right hand
and I'm right hand. Does that sound like an important bone?
Think that's right on my knuckle, right on the knuckle.
It it hurt like hell when somebody'd shake my hand,
and I would just like I got to the point
where I would just shake people's with the left hand.
But I'm not sure trying to sound like a tough guy.
For whatever reason, it did not hurt when I grabbed
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the football or throw a football. It hurt when I squeezed,
and it was a it was a there was a
fracture in there. And so I played the whole season
with a broken bone in my throwing hand. But obviously
it wasn't like some you know, and you know, somebody
dropped an axe on it or something. It was you know,
it was again one of those two hundred and fifty
six shades of gray. It was hurt enough when when
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somebody shook my hand, didn't hurt when I throw. So
I played. So I think that there's a lot of this.
I think you're probably right that the polistic camp is
trying to get that out. Oh yeah, a broken leg,
you know, you know, Jack Youngblood. There's just google do
some history football players have played endless games with quote
unquote a break broken leg. So I do think that's happening.
But but but to the other point of I've watched
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more soccer this year than than in this World Cup,
than I ever have in my life. And Andrews, look,
I'm not trying to be abrasive here or whatever. Let's
have a like an adult conversation. There is something about
this soccer. Uh, the culture of soccer. That that shocks me.
(16:09):
That the and and the the amount of writhing on
the field that I see, it's like, are you effing
kidding me? It it like and and that's very subjective.
But if we could somehow try and attach some objectivity.
Let's say a ride. Now, you say writhing sounds like
a verb, but you it can be a noun. Let's
let's have a stat let's tally the rise of the noun. Okay,
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and and how and that that means if you roll
at least three times from side to side on the ground,
or you slam your fist on the ground three times
in pain, and you a while accompanied with an anguish
on your face, worth your mouth is why they're open
enough to bob for an apple? That's right, Okay, So
if you hit all, if you hit those attributes, we
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will count that as a Writhe you're gonna see, you're
you're gonna see a underwrithes in one weekend of World
Cup soccer, what you might see one in three months.
In the NFL and baseball, these guys are getting, you know,
plucked in the lungs for one hundred miles an hour.
I don't see a lot of writhing in other sports.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the qual like
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I feel in the NFL, if you were doing this
stuff that like your teammates would just they just turn
around it. They beat the hell out of you for
being a whiss. So I feel like this, the uh,
the toughness that the manifestation, the projection of toughness in
soccer is like like appalling to me. And I wonder
if it carries over to polisic uh, you know, feeling
(17:41):
like oh, well, you know, uh, maybe I'm just gonna
tap out. Maybe there's a connection, maybe there isn't, but
I gotta tell you, I am I'm kind of flabbergasset
at the culture of soccer and how they accept that
and how the entire culture like like.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It was like Cowboy the f up.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Well, here is what you would get from other sports,
and stop this acting like a freaking baby like you're
giving birth. I've got on the field and then and
then twenty seconds later you're springing down the field like
nothing happened, Like, give me a break with this stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But I got an anecdote to add to that, and
we were gonna let We're gonna let Anders respond to that.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
So last segment, Hugh gave a little monologue on the
toughness or lack thereof of soccer players, and it reminded
me of a conversation that I didn't have to remember
back very far. It was an NBA related No, no,
it would literally happen like two hours ago. Oh So
I'm in my kitchen watching the game. My fourteen year
old daughter comes in. She's about to be about to
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be a freshman in high school. And I don't talk
soccer with her ever, So I mean, this is not
something that has been planted into her head by me,
or certainly by my wife, because my wife played soccer
when she was in high school. And I said, hey,
I go, you've been watching much of this and she's
like not really. I go, well, did you watch the
US Belgium game. She's like, eah, just a few minutes.
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Just a few minutes of it. I was like, oh okay.
And I was like, oh, why didn't you wat Why
don't you watch more? A lot of people are watching it.
She goes, I don't get soccer, and I was like,
what do you mean by you don't get soccer? She said,
they're so weak, and I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
By week I was just trying to find out what
she meant by this, and she goes, she goes, they're
always rolling around pretending they're hurt. And I said, well,
do you know people? Do you have friends that play soccer?
And she's like, I have lots of friends that play
soccer and they're always complaining about being hurt. And I
was like, okay, maybe it's a maybe it is a
culture thing. So Anders, I'll let you, you're the soccer guy.
(20:03):
You're the soccer player, the former college soccer player, explain
the criticism and how warranted it is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I think you know a lot of would say like, oh,
I'm gonna come in and defend soccer as to you know,
kind of shoot back and defend it. I'm not even
gonna defend it very much. I'm gonna more explain it.
And I think the biggest reason it's pretty simple is
the element of physical toughness isn't as valued in the
game of soccer as it is in other sports. And
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whether that's and I want to separate physical toughness from
mental toughness because those are completely different things. Obviously, as
we've seen, there are players that you know, play through injuries,
kind of step up in the big moment. You know,
they're running for days. It's a different type of physical
activity than in other sports. But yeah, I mean it
just there isn't this need to have this macho I
(20:57):
can you know, play through contact or anything like that.
It's all about trying to, you know, obviously get the
call that the element and the nature of refereeing and
soccer is different than every other sport because.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Let me sing, because if they don't get the call,
the wasn't supposed to blow right away, right. If they
don't get the call, then how is it helping your team?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
If you're rolling around for fifteen seconds while the play isn't.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
There's a ripple effect, right, So the referee might see
that as you know, Okay, he got tackled pretty hard.
At least he's trying to show that he got tackled
really hard. I'm gonna watch the player that tackled him
really hard more closely now because I might have missed that, right,
And if I see that he's having doing things a
little bit over the edge, like this player is trying
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to show me that, I'm gonna yellow card him a
little bit. It's about trying to get any sort of
edge as you possibly can, right, And like I said,
the nature of refereeing and soccer is different than every
other sport because it's so subjective, right, NFL has very
defined written laws. Right, It's like it's it's either a
catch or it's not a catch. The tuck roll and
all that stuff can get into that later, but it's
(22:01):
a pass interference or it's not a past interference for
different games in soccer, they've tried to objectify it a
lot more recently, but that's I think what's made it
actually worse when you try and video review everything and
re referee decisions. I think having it where in some
referees decisions that would be a foul and some that wouldn't.
Some like it more rough, some call a tighter game.
(22:23):
It's just a way it goes, right, So I think
that's the best explanation for it. It's just a game
that doesn't value physical toughness as much as other sports.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, would you say it is an objective for Don Garber,
the commissioner of the MLS has been on the job
for twenty seven years?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Mind you?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Would you say it's an objective for him to get
more eyeballs in the United States? Uh?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, I think that's a pretty like high up objective
for him.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yes. Now, I'm not saying it would be I'm not
trying to project it as the most important factor. Sure,
but could it be a factor in terms off if
the culture could kind of steer away from that that
maybe you'd get more more eyeballs on it. Could that
(23:09):
affect the popularity of the sport? The constant riding? Do
you think that could help get American eyeballs to kind
of rid that from the culture?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
See, because then you're getting into like MLS specifically versus
other leagues. Right, And I'm of the opinion that MLS
has actually already done too much to try and be
an American sports league instead of a soccer league. Right,
it's it's because of the they're switching one of the
things here, but the schedule itself is completely opposite from
(23:39):
the rest of the soccer leagues. It's over the summer.
Soccer leagues are in the fall in spring. And the
other part is they don't have grass fields across all
of MLS like they do in other leagues. Now, I
know one of these things won't change. They have playoffs.
Other leagues don't have playoffs. That's definitely not guess it's
(23:59):
not that's a money thing. It's American sports today. I
understand that. But that goes to show you that they're
already trying to be a slightly different kind of league
than the rest of the world. And I think leaning
into what makes the world's most popular sport popular, and
you could argue whether that is not having playoffs or not,
but that I think would be the better course of
(24:22):
action than trying to americanize the version of soccer.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Dick, do I have a sixty second sixty second?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yes? Okay, So this is just kind of underscoring the culture.
And I think every football player, at some point along
the line gets a lesson like this. This wasn't my
first lesson, but it's one of the lessons. So at
the University of Washington when I got there, we used
to have scrimmages on Saturday that were live on the quarterback,
no red jerseys, just totally live. And in this one
of these scrimmages my first year at Washington, I actually
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I'm going to bark a little bit. I'm mean it's
third and fifteen ish. I smoke this deep in route
to Lonzel Hill. Dick, you may remember that molehill, and
and you know, and and right when I got smoked,
when I threw it, I mean just face to face.
That was before any helmet to helmet. I mean I
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just got pied and I'm laying on the ground and
and Mo had caught it and gone for about ten
more yards, you know, like twenty five hour game on
third and fifteen type. I'm laying on my back because
I got smoked. And Ray Door, the quarterback coach, came
running over to me, not walking, not jogging, springing over
to me, and he bent over with his hands on
(25:31):
his knees, bent over me. And right in that moment
is I'm looking up to him. I thought he was gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Say, that's a hell of a job son, way to
hang in.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The pocket, right like, And he was gonna help me
get get up, That's what I thought he was doing.
He got over there, hovered over me, hands on knee,
screamed at me get off the ground, and turned and
walked away, turned his back to me. And it's like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That stuff just gets.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
An imprint on you of like, okay, like this is
this is you know, our expectation, man, you better be
freaking tough around here, you know. And I think every
football players played a bit has had something like that.
Is just even in high school. You know, your sophomore
you want to be a whistman, the senior is gonna
freaking tape you to the the goal post and they're
gonna do something, you know. So in anyway, I think
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that's just kind of a part of the culture that's different.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, no quote, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
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From Elliot Day and you feel it now. This is
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, boys, Hugh Millan Andrews Hearst. We got all
our bases covered today. Here's here's what we got. This
is not a Friday that we're just gonna mail it in.
We're gonna cover all our bases today. We're gonna start
with soccer, which is natural since we just came off
the soccer broadcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We're gonna then.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Weave seamlessly into the absolute crap fest that is the
Seattle Mariners. Weave that in in the three o'clock in
the early stage of the forecast to that'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Then in the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We'll talk some football, because we haven't done that very
very much this week, if at all, with Hughbreed Love Millan,
and then Francis Williams is going to join us at
five thirty and talk about some hoops because he's down
at the NBA Summer League.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So we got all our bases covered, Hugh, how are
you my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm well, guys, how were you?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You get paid extra for coming on at two twenty
five today because it was a little.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
You know, there was no.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Jokers in the afternoon. Need to have your time. Then
it seems like I get one of the first calls.
So here I am good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Jackson.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jackson just walked in about five minutes ago and he
with the guy's name Senna Yeamans.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Is that the Senna laments?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He was like, you should be cursing that guy's name. Man,
make a freaking save and that goes the extra time.
But we had a we had a good game. It
was a good game Spain and Belgium. Belgium, I think
played the type of game that we thought they were
going to play. Let's bunker down, let's be defensive like
we are, let's be tough, let's be veteran and try
(02:58):
to get it to extra time, try to get it
to penalty kicks. So I'm gonna throw this out there
first to you, gentlemen. Does Belgium kind of hanging in
there and not giving up the game winning goal until
minutes before the final gun before extra time? Hugh does
it make it seem any less painful at all.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That we lost to Belgium.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, I think Spain. Look not, I don't have any
expertise in soccer, far from it, but it seemed like
Spain was dominating. They had nine to two shots on
goal in the first half. I don't know what it
was for the for the for the second half, but
I I just it looked to me andres like Spain
(03:40):
was just the superior team. So I think that the
now not. I don't think the Spain eye test over
Belgium was as dramatic as the Belgium eye test over
the United States. But no, I don't. It doesn't comfort
me thinking that that the United States is any close
to the elites in the world. In fact, if anything,
(04:03):
it probably nudges it away from them.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, I think I'm with you Spain. The way they play,
even though they just win by one goal and they're
kind of notorious for doing that, they dominate every single
game that they play in and just kind of pass
you to death, so to speak. So eventually it was
going to end up being the winner. I think if
the US was in this game, they still would have
lost almost every single time so it is one of
those situations. I don't feel like that much better because
(04:29):
Belgium took maybe one of the favorites to the brink,
so to speak. But it still hurts more than nature
that had happened, the loss to Belgium, less than the
fact that the US is out of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, that's all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Like the completed passes at one point it was like
five hundred and eighty to two hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And four exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It was just it was it was well more than
more than doubled in that one and it was just
it looked like Spain was kind of a if I
translated into football, looks Spain lows like the football team
that just controlled the ball, yep, march down the field
every single possession and then got inside the twenty and
was just.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Like, yeah, we got nothing, go get field goals. Maybe
yeah there exactly, we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We can't we can't do anything with this Belgian Belgian
diva defense.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But okay, so so preview a little Spain France for
US Anders.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, I think this is going to be a tactical
matchup for the ages because France are so high powered
in their attack. They're the twenty nineteen chiefs. If you're
gonna go with a football analysis where they just have
so many weapons, probably the player that's playing the best
at this World Cup in Killing and Bape as well.
They could score on a moment's notice. But the way
(05:40):
Spain plays, they will again, like I said, Spain dominate
every game in terms of possession, so France will have
just less volume of opportunities in general, so they will
nullify that France team, I feel like, as well as
any other team available. So in my opinion, France is
the overwhelming favorite to win the turn at this point
(06:00):
in time. This Spain team is the kind of the
best chance for them to lose at this point. So
if you're rooting against France, you're really rooting for Spain
to get it done here because I don't think any
other teams that are left can beat France at this point.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You're still gonna be in it. Man, He's gonna be
watching this.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, I think I'll watch it because I'm coming on
kg R next week and I know one of you
yocals are gonna ask me about it. But you know,
I do think it's interesting guys that that you know,
for those who really don't know soccer. We were told
coming into the tournament. Okay, in Bappi, whoever he is,
(06:36):
who's he played for France? Okay, he's one of the best. Messi, Okay,
we know he's Argentina, he's one of the best. You
got this Holland guy for Norway, He's one of the best.
This is what this is all what we were told before.
Harry Kane, Rocky all there, man and and and then
this Jamal from Spain. I mean he looks like a
(06:58):
Mozart out there. You know, all the guys that we
were told are the best. Now you look up two
three weeks into the tournament and you say, who's in
contention for what, the Golden Boot, the Golden Foot Award, whatever,
the most All all the guys that we're told are
the best are the ones that are leading the World
Cup Series in scoring. So so I think, if anything,
(07:21):
obviously the fact that we're the host nation and these
games are going to be played on US soil is
going to bring some viewers. But I think that to
the extent that star power is important. Certainly, the NBA
for decades built they're you know, their branding about star
power and what have you. The star power is coming
through in this tournament in ways you couldn't have even imagine.
(07:42):
I mean, it's like every single one of them is
not only still alive, but thriving and in contention to
win that that that that Golden boot. So I don't know,
I would think Andrews, that that would be a good
thing for for Fox and the ratings over the next
couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think that's been one of
the pleasant surprises, not that stars are all perform or
performing at this tournament, but that there's really not been
a superstar that isn't at this point. I think all
of the best players, like you said, are performing at
this level. I think you obviously have Spain France on
one side. Those are two of the best teams in
(08:19):
the world. Something could happen with with Switzerland or Norway,
but it seems like we are gonna get Argentina England,
which if you were to ask me the four best
teams in the world going into the tournament, I would
have said those four teams Argentina, England, Spain and France.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Is that usual?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Both with the superstar power that advances to the final
four but also just the four best teams advanced to
the final four.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
At least one or two, kind of similar to like
NCAA tournament, there's usually at least one or two, like
somewhat Cinderella's at this point in the tournament, and if
Norway were to advance, they would be that, right, or
Switzerland as well.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
What's Norway ranked?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Like they're in the teams similar I think there's similar
to what the US is a check.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That okay, yeah, But getting back to Dick's question at
the onset of the segment, Guys, I'm just kind of
making inferences by looking at these these statistics just because
they kind of make common sense. The total shot attempts
today Spain fourteen, Belgium five, so they almost triple that.
(09:22):
I would think that's important. That's something like in football,
either yards or time of possession. Right, shots on shots
on goal, which is distinguished from total shot attempts, but
shots on goals Spain tripled Belgium six to two. Saves
were required, Spain only had one save required. Belgium had
four corner kicks, again speaking to the attack and something
(09:48):
right six to two in favorite Spain. You go back. Actually,
shots on goal from you know, Belgium over the US
seven to two, fifteen to seven, Belgium over US fifteen
to si having in total shots, attempts and corner kicks
five to three. I mean, if anything, you know, there
are some of these stats that I would assume are
(10:09):
important where Spain dominated Belgium even more than Belgium dominated
the United States. If we're just going, you know, if
we're just only focused on those particular stats.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, I think you're right to kind of point that
out here, because just my general consensus, even before the
US Belgium game is the US and Belgium were really
kind of give or take in terms of which team
was better. And again that's one of the reasons why
I was so disappointed to see the US just crap
the bed in that big moment, because I don't believe
they're that much worse of a team than Belgium is.
(10:42):
They just made some awful individual mistakes and it didn't
seem like they were ready for the moment in Belgium was.
But Spain is just another level above both of those teams.
So I think you're completely right in saying that. You know,
it's just it's like, once you get to the quarterfinals,
that's like a step up, you know, And obviously that's
the case farther along you go in the tournament, but
it's significantly so from the round of sixteen.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, guys, one of the biggest stories, at least on
the American side of this whole thing, is Christian Polisic
and Andrews.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We haven't talked to you about your take on the
whole thing. Carly Lloyd has come out and firmly.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Refused to apologize to Christian Polisic following the US elimination
from the World Cup. She says, I don't owe anyone
an apology. She was kind of critical for his post
match interview, maybe more so than she was even critical
of him coming out of the game. What do you
think about the publicization of his injury. I've seen it
(11:40):
reported as something as significant as he fractured his leg.
That's what it's said in the Seattle Times today. Fractured leg.
Wait a second, Okay, he had a microfracture and a
bone bruise, And it almost seems like this is being
trumpeted to be more than it is by the Pulisic camp.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I totally agree with you and I think it kind
of goes to show you. I heard you guys played
some clips about different analysts that were kind of jumping
on the same bandwagon that Carly Lloyd was, whether that
was Taylor Twelman, Landon Donovan as well, all speaking to
the kind of the similar tune that they expected more
from Christian Poolisic, and Taylor Twelman, who actually is close
(12:21):
with Christian Poolisic, went as far as to say, he
doesn't want to be the guy, and you could you
could tell that even though that's what his team, that's
what his nation expects of him, he didn't want that
and he kind of he shrunk in the big moment.
Asked to be sub off in a knockout game, I mean,
you should be have to be dragged off the field.
You saw that with Kevin de Bruyna today with Belgium.
(12:43):
He's like thirty four years old at the very tail
end of his career and he has been carrying an
injury almost all tournament and still refused to come off
and wanted to play the until the end of the game.
And that's what you expect from your big time playoffs,
which the US I don't think really had anyone to
in that situation. And that kind of goes back into
the whole conversation about the superstars, where I think everyone
(13:05):
wants Christian Pulisik to be that guy for the US A.
I don't think he wants it, and B he never
has risen to that level. And you could tell how
important it is by who's left in the tournament, right.
It's it's the teams that have the best players in
the world, obviously, but it's not just having a good
some of the parts. It's having the superstars that kind
of carry you over the finish line when you're not
(13:25):
playing well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And it kind of perpetuates the narrative really of the
soft soccer player, and.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
It's unfortunate at least the American player, at least.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The American So it perpetuates that that stereotype, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I think a couple thoughts. First of all, when
you say fracture, and I don't want to get over
my skis. Obviously, I never went to medical school what
have you. But I've been in an MRI two more
times than I care to have been right, and it's
my understanding. And if you mds out there orthopopedic surgeons
(13:59):
what have you. And you can interject, but if you
take X rays of athletes and probably even people in
the in the population, there's a point you say, oh,
you've got little you got a little fracture there, you know,
like like you've got little, you know, a strain you
can look at say, oh, that's barely a fracture. A
(14:21):
fracture is not is not binary. It's not like you
have a broken leg or you're totally healthy. There's a
lot of there's two hundred and fifty six shades of gray.
And I mean that more literal because X rays are gray,
right and and MRIs but but so so you have
that point. I mean, uh my, you know I started
a year for the Patriots where I had broke the
(14:43):
the in on my index finger of my right hand
and I'm right hand. Does that sound like an important bone?
Think that's right on my knuckle, right on the knuckle.
It it hurt like hell when somebody'd shake my hand,
and I would just like I got to the point
where I would just shake people's with the left hand.
But I'm not sure trying to sound like a tough guy.
For whatever reason, it did not hurt when I grabbed
(15:05):
the football or throw a football. It hurt when I squeezed,
and it was a it was a there was a
fracture in there. And so I played the whole season
with a broken bone in my throwing hand. But obviously
it wasn't like some you know, and you know, somebody
dropped an axe on it or something. It was you know,
it was again one of those two hundred and fifty
six shades of gray. It was hurt enough when when
(15:26):
somebody shook my hand, didn't hurt when I throw. So
I played. So I think that there's a lot of this.
I think you're probably right that the polistic camp is
trying to get that out. Oh yeah, a broken leg,
you know, you know, Jack Youngblood. There's just google do
some history football players have played endless games with quote
unquote a break broken leg. So I do think that's happening.
But but but to the other point of I've watched
(15:49):
more soccer this year than than in this World Cup,
than I ever have in my life. And Andrews, look,
I'm not trying to be abrasive here or whatever. Let's
have a like an adult conversation. There is something about
this soccer. Uh, the culture of soccer. That that shocks me.
(16:09):
That the and and the the amount of writhing on
the field that I see, it's like, are you effing
kidding me? It it like and and that's very subjective.
But if we could somehow try and attach some objectivity.
Let's say a ride. Now, you say writhing sounds like
a verb, but you it can be a noun. Let's
let's have a stat let's tally the rise of the noun. Okay,
(16:32):
and and how and that that means if you roll
at least three times from side to side on the ground,
or you slam your fist on the ground three times
in pain, and you a while accompanied with an anguish
on your face, worth your mouth is why they're open
enough to bob for an apple? That's right, Okay, So
if you hit all, if you hit those attributes, we
(16:55):
will count that as a Writhe you're gonna see, you're
you're gonna see a underwrithes in one weekend of World
Cup soccer, what you might see one in three months.
In the NFL and baseball, these guys are getting, you know,
plucked in the lungs for one hundred miles an hour.
I don't see a lot of writhing in other sports.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the qual like
(17:18):
I feel in the NFL, if you were doing this
stuff that like your teammates would just they just turn
around it. They beat the hell out of you for
being a whiss. So I feel like this, the uh,
the toughness that the manifestation, the projection of toughness in
soccer is like like appalling to me. And I wonder
if it carries over to polisic uh, you know, feeling
(17:41):
like oh, well, you know, uh, maybe I'm just gonna
tap out. Maybe there's a connection, maybe there isn't, but
I gotta tell you, I am I'm kind of flabbergasset
at the culture of soccer and how they accept that
and how the entire culture like like.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It was like Cowboy the f up.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Well, here is what you would get from other sports,
and stop this acting like a freaking baby like you're
giving birth. I've got on the field and then and
then twenty seconds later you're springing down the field like
nothing happened, Like, give me a break with this stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But I got an anecdote to add to that, and
we were gonna let We're gonna let Anders respond to that.
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
So last segment, Hugh gave a little monologue on the
toughness or lack thereof of soccer players, and it reminded
me of a conversation that I didn't have to remember
back very far. It was an NBA related No, no,
it would literally happen like two hours ago. Oh So
I'm in my kitchen watching the game. My fourteen year
old daughter comes in. She's about to be about to
(19:05):
be a freshman in high school. And I don't talk
soccer with her ever, So I mean, this is not
something that has been planted into her head by me,
or certainly by my wife, because my wife played soccer
when she was in high school. And I said, hey,
I go, you've been watching much of this and she's
like not really. I go, well, did you watch the
US Belgium game. She's like, eah, just a few minutes.
(19:27):
Just a few minutes of it. I was like, oh okay.
And I was like, oh, why didn't you wat Why
don't you watch more? A lot of people are watching it.
She goes, I don't get soccer, and I was like,
what do you mean by you don't get soccer? She said,
they're so weak, and I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
By week I was just trying to find out what
she meant by this, and she goes, she goes, they're
always rolling around pretending they're hurt. And I said, well,
do you know people? Do you have friends that play soccer?
And she's like, I have lots of friends that play
soccer and they're always complaining about being hurt. And I
was like, okay, maybe it's a maybe it is a
culture thing. So Anders, I'll let you, you're the soccer guy.
(20:03):
You're the soccer player, the former college soccer player, explain
the criticism and how warranted it is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I think you know a lot of would say like, oh,
I'm gonna come in and defend soccer as to you know,
kind of shoot back and defend it. I'm not even
gonna defend it very much. I'm gonna more explain it.
And I think the biggest reason it's pretty simple is
the element of physical toughness isn't as valued in the
game of soccer as it is in other sports. And
(20:31):
whether that's and I want to separate physical toughness from
mental toughness because those are completely different things. Obviously, as
we've seen, there are players that you know, play through injuries,
kind of step up in the big moment. You know,
they're running for days. It's a different type of physical
activity than in other sports. But yeah, I mean it
just there isn't this need to have this macho I
(20:57):
can you know, play through contact or anything like that.
It's all about trying to, you know, obviously get the
call that the element and the nature of refereeing and
soccer is different than every other sport because.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Let me sing, because if they don't get the call,
the wasn't supposed to blow right away, right. If they
don't get the call, then how is it helping your team?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
If you're rolling around for fifteen seconds while the play isn't.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
There's a ripple effect, right, So the referee might see
that as you know, Okay, he got tackled pretty hard.
At least he's trying to show that he got tackled
really hard. I'm gonna watch the player that tackled him
really hard more closely now because I might have missed that, right,
And if I see that he's having doing things a
little bit over the edge, like this player is trying
(21:39):
to show me that, I'm gonna yellow card him a
little bit. It's about trying to get any sort of
edge as you possibly can, right, And like I said,
the nature of refereeing and soccer is different than every
other sport because it's so subjective, right, NFL has very
defined written laws. Right, It's like it's it's either a
catch or it's not a catch. The tuck roll and
all that stuff can get into that later, but it's
(22:01):
a pass interference or it's not a past interference for
different games in soccer, they've tried to objectify it a
lot more recently, but that's I think what's made it
actually worse when you try and video review everything and
re referee decisions. I think having it where in some
referees decisions that would be a foul and some that wouldn't.
Some like it more rough, some call a tighter game.
(22:23):
It's just a way it goes, right, So I think
that's the best explanation for it. It's just a game
that doesn't value physical toughness as much as other sports.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, would you say it is an objective for Don Garber,
the commissioner of the MLS has been on the job
for twenty seven years?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Mind you?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Would you say it's an objective for him to get
more eyeballs in the United States? Uh?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, I think that's a pretty like high up objective
for him.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yes. Now, I'm not saying it would be I'm not
trying to project it as the most important factor. Sure,
but could it be a factor in terms off if
the culture could kind of steer away from that that
maybe you'd get more more eyeballs on it. Could that
(23:09):
affect the popularity of the sport? The constant riding? Do
you think that could help get American eyeballs to kind
of rid that from the culture?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
See, because then you're getting into like MLS specifically versus
other leagues. Right, And I'm of the opinion that MLS
has actually already done too much to try and be
an American sports league instead of a soccer league. Right,
it's it's because of the they're switching one of the
things here, but the schedule itself is completely opposite from
(23:39):
the rest of the soccer leagues. It's over the summer.
Soccer leagues are in the fall in spring. And the
other part is they don't have grass fields across all
of MLS like they do in other leagues. Now, I
know one of these things won't change. They have playoffs.
Other leagues don't have playoffs. That's definitely not guess it's
(23:59):
not that's a money thing. It's American sports today. I
understand that. But that goes to show you that they're
already trying to be a slightly different kind of league
than the rest of the world. And I think leaning
into what makes the world's most popular sport popular, and
you could argue whether that is not having playoffs or not,
but that I think would be the better course of
(24:22):
action than trying to americanize the version of soccer.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Dick, do I have a sixty second sixty second?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yes? Okay, So this is just kind of underscoring the culture.
And I think every football player, at some point along
the line gets a lesson like this. This wasn't my
first lesson, but it's one of the lessons. So at
the University of Washington when I got there, we used
to have scrimmages on Saturday that were live on the quarterback,
no red jerseys, just totally live. And in this one
of these scrimmages my first year at Washington, I actually
(24:50):
I'm going to bark a little bit. I'm mean it's
third and fifteen ish. I smoke this deep in route
to Lonzel Hill. Dick, you may remember that molehill, and
and you know, and and right when I got smoked,
when I threw it, I mean just face to face.
That was before any helmet to helmet. I mean I
(25:11):
just got pied and I'm laying on the ground and
and Mo had caught it and gone for about ten
more yards, you know, like twenty five hour game on
third and fifteen type. I'm laying on my back because
I got smoked. And Ray Door, the quarterback coach, came
running over to me, not walking, not jogging, springing over
to me, and he bent over with his hands on
(25:31):
his knees, bent over me. And right in that moment
is I'm looking up to him. I thought he was gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Say, that's a hell of a job son, way to
hang in.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The pocket, right like, And he was gonna help me
get get up, That's what I thought he was doing.
He got over there, hovered over me, hands on knee,
screamed at me get off the ground, and turned and
walked away, turned his back to me. And it's like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That stuff just gets.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
An imprint on you of like, okay, like this is
this is you know, our expectation, man, you better be
freaking tough around here, you know. And I think every
football players played a bit has had something like that.
Is just even in high school. You know, your sophomore
you want to be a whistman, the senior is gonna
freaking tape you to the the goal post and they're
gonna do something, you know. So in anyway, I think
(26:20):
that's just kind of a part of the culture that's different.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, no quote, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Two fifty six on ninety three point three kJ RFM,
We're gonna turn the page to our favorite local baseball
team in the three o'clock hour and talk about what
the hell just happened in Miami and is it gonna
continue in Tampa next
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