July 10, 2026 • 38 mins
The Mariners get swept in Miami, this team is just playing little league baseball right now, can they turn it around? Bret Boone joins the show to talk Mariners after getting swept in Miami. Fun with Audio.
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The night after Seattle got swept in Miami, Julio Rodriguez
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
All right, rolling into the three o'clock hour, Good talk
a little base ball here, Brett Boone's gonna join us
in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But boil boy, guys. And it's been tough.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's probably been easier for Anders to watch these games
over the last few days as it's been for me
and Hugh since we've been simultaneously stumbling through.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A radio show. Yeah, well, these games are going on.
Have you been doing the post game shows?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And I take a month off of the World Cup
because of my coverage, So what a time to take
it off?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Break down this bad team, least recently, Hugh, I just.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Tweeted five words last night after you know, we were
during It was during a break of the show that
we were doing, and I saw a ground ball.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
It was taken.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was thrown to Colt Emerson, who supposed to be
covering Yeah from Naylor, supposed to be covering second base.
Emerson thought he had touched second base through at the
first Logan Gilbert dropped the ball, so a guy rounded.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Third came home to score.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Bryce Miller.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh, sorry, Bryce Miller.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm sorry Bryce Miller came around to score or the
runner came around to score.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I just tweeted this is little league stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I have I have felt this way too many
times about this baseball team this season, and I need
some help from both of you guys, because I don't
remember feeling this way the last few years.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I have felt like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We got a hole in the offense and wow, we've
had way too many games where we can't score any runs.
But I've never felt I don't remember ever feeling like
this is just a sloppy little leaguee just at the
very best, average looking baseball team. Have Hugh, have you
remembered feeling that way over the last few years or
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is this something unique to you this year.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think when you go through losing streaks that there there.
I think you'd surprise you more often than you thought.
I'm prepared to accept it. I'd probably push back if
it's if you want to argue that it's a lot more.
But I think you know here, you just get swept
down in Miami, and and you had three games back
to back where something little league ish happened. Okay, the
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first game, you go to extra innings, you you pinch run.
Excuse me what the ghost runner on second? You get
a relatively hard hit ball to shortstop and and you're
running with no outs and you and you get you
get tagged at third base. Terrible, So right, so will
West and Wilson is playing like a little leaguer. Then
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game two, you're down. You know it's a too too count,
and you you get a ball to two baseballs outside
the strike, and we don't have a method of operation,
the mechanics of making sure that we challenge, which would
have absolutely taken into a three to two count with
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a man on third, Naylor and you're down two runs.
So that's little leaguish. And then the situation that you
cited yesterday, that's a fourth inning. You're you're down two
to one. There's a man on first and second for
the Marlins. You get a ground ball to first with
one out, so you gotta you gotta double play. You're
out of the inn out, you're out of the end.
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You got a good throw from Naylor and now, you know,
God bless him. You know he's a young kid, but uh,
you know he's gonna stare at the ceiling like really
with that. So not only does he choose the throw,
he dirts the ball, so uh so Miller covering can't
scoop it. And so the runner at first is safe.
The runner who had been on second he comes around
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and because of the cheese throw, he's able to score
from second. And then they review and Emerson had taken
his foot off the bag at second. So at all
three play, at all three bags that you could have
gotten out, you got none of them. And and so
that was a very little league's play. And you know,
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the Colt Emerson, I don't know if you can get
two errors for one damn play, but it seemed like
he did.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He had a throwing air and he had a foot error.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, not to mention he's not really hitting that much
recently either, So I almost want to I hate to
say this because he was so good for a little
bit when he started to come up, is it time
to think about sending him back down and kind of
get right a little bit? And you know this is
going to happen with younger players. And it's not like
you have a ton of options behind him, moving JP
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back to short whatever that looks like, or you're just
going to kind of go with the bumps here. But
the thing for me is, are the Mariners even going
to be in a position to be buyers at this deadline?
Because the way they're playing right now does not suggest
to me like they are a team that should be
in the contenders category, right, But they are contenders?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean, they're a half game out of first they are.
But god, I just I mean, I see what you're saying.
But but they they they will be. Now the question
I think really is what kind of buyers are they
gonna be?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Are they gonna be the buyers that are that kind
of look like sellers and kind of look like buyers
like we have been in the past.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Twenty three Paul seawallt and you get Tom can Zone.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's exactly right. Was it a buy what is it
a sell?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Or?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Will they be truly buyers like they were when they
got Luis Castillo like we did last we got Randy
rose Rena last year. You know, so those those situations.
But you're your point is well taken. Anderson Colt, I
mean Colts first month in the BIGS, he had an
eight fifty three OPS. His second month in the BIGS,
he had a six ninety four OPS. And this month now,
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albeit it's only been one, two, three, four by seven games,
he's got a three forty five OPS. So I mean,
I'm not ready to send him down.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Not three forty five. Not slugging, not bad, no, no, no, no,
no more slugging. No, it's slugging.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
His slugging and his average are exactly the same because
he only has singles. So he is three for twenty two.
That is a one thirty six average and a one
thirty six slug.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Here, well, you got in order, right, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
You got batting average in on base percentage, then slugging,
and then opiate like they should increase. So the higher,
the highest of the four should be OPS. And you're
talking about an OPS in the threes.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Yikes.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, three singles in the last five games.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So well, and the Mariners are two for twenty five,
with two for twenty five with the runners on and
scoring position this series. I mean, they had they had
at least one of those games should be it should
have been a Mariner win. If not two of those
games could it should have been a Mariner win. But
they could get nothing going. Yeah, and you take a
look at I did this, This was before yesterday's game.
But Julio, cal and Munnos last year combined excuse me
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and Randy So Julio kal Wu, Munjos and Randy, I mean,
arguably the five most talented players on your team combined
for a twenty four and a half war last season.
This year, they are on pace for an eleven war.
They are on pace to produce less than half of
the war output in twenty twenty six that they did
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in twenty twenty five. And then another thing that's big
difference from last year this year, guys, is the.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Comeback wins versus the blown leads.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This year, you would hope that that number would be
in the positive.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, last year it was. It was a plus ten.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Last year they had forty three comeback wins and thirty
three blown leads, so they were a plus ten in
those games that could go either way. This year they're
a minus seven. Yeah already, So they're on pace for
like a minus thirteen on the season.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I'd argue they have a better bullpen this year
than they did last year arguably.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean, they don't have brass, but you know, but yes,
they have extra guys that they didn't have last year.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Right, Oh, it's been.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
So big guy.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
They've had a couple of guys that are not leverage
relievers whatsoever, that have been put into leverage situations and
they yes, you know, and they've they've pitched like guys
that are no are you know, low leverage not high
leverage pitchers.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, if another thing I looked at is we got
to figure out what this team actually is, because this team,
if you take out the three weeks of September last
year when they went seventeen and one. Now, obviously that
counts in your record, you went nineteen seventy two, largely
because you went seventeen and one, but you've got a
lot bigger sample size, in fact, one hundred and thirty
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eight game sample size of every other game in twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty six other than those eighteen
where they went seventeen and one. Their record in those
one hundred and thirty eight games or two hundred and
thirty eight games is one twenty and one eighteen they
are eight five hundred baseball team since the beginning of
twenty twenty five, if you take out that three week
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stretch where they got absolutely mercurreally hot. Let's talk to
Bred Boone about it next on ninety three point three KJERFM.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Coming to you live from our Elliott Avenue studios of
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. It's time for
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SOFTI and Dick.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
You gotta be the best open we've got for a guess.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Guy right into his name, So good, so good, Andres
isn't old enough to remember this was his.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Walk up song, So good Booney? How you doing man?
Speaker 7 (10:53):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Oh man?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, we're actually talking a lot more soccer on the
air than we normally do. That's for I'm sure did
you I just saw the new numbers at fifty million?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Watch that game between the US and Belgium. Were you
one of them?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (11:08):
I I tuned in the second half. Ah, it's it's
that's a tough watch for me soccer. I'm not a
soccer guy. You know, it's I did learn.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Man.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
They like to flop out there on the soccer field.
They like to go down like they got hit by
a cannon and then five secondary they're fine. They're fine.
I'll tell you grow I grow grew up on the
East Coast, and when I was a kid, I played soccer.
You know, that's back when we played basketball. If you
played basketball one season, baseball, then you played football or soccer. Well,
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I was a soccer All my buddies played football, and
I played soccer, and I loved it. It was it
was probably it might have been my favorite sport over
baseball at the time. And I kind of got pushed
around about buddies in the at school, my buddies that
I hung with, and they're like, oh, you're a wollosh,
you're playing soccer. And they kind of kind of guilted
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me into playing football. And then I started paying playing
pee wee football, and I always thought, man, I wish
I would have kept played soccer. Look that big, well,
I have a tough time watching it, I gotscha.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, Well, we were actually talking about that. The the
kind of culture of of soccer. And and I distinguished
Booney for this purposes of this discussion. The difference between flopping,
because we see that in basketball that's trying to simulate
that you you got hit when you didn't. I'm distinguishing
that from the actual laying on the ground and writhing
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in pain that you alluded to. And I'm curious from
the from a baseball perspective, how does that get policed?
Maybe early on when you're a kid, you know, you
you take a ball off the you know, the tape
of the bat out coach my my handsting or or
or you know, you get hitting the in the knee
or the elbow with an inside pitcher or something like like,
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just talk about how baseball all because I don't see
that writhing from baseball very often. Obviously, if you take
one hundred mile an hour at the wrist and you
break your hands, You've seen some guys that, But as
a general rule these there seems to be a toughness culture.
The baseball is not going to allow you to roll
around like a baby. Just maybe talk about that how
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that that comes into being in the culture in the
sport of baseball.
Speaker 8 (13:25):
Yeah, it's kind of a thing, you know, rub some
dirt on it, let's go. I don't want to say
it didn't hurt that much, you know. It's that type
of attitude I think that the baseball community has. That
being said, we're not even close to as tough as
the hockey guys. These hockey guys are at a different level,
and they're my favorite athletes, you know, and all the
years and uh activities off the field and events that
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we attend, I always was drawn to the hockey guys.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Because they just don't give a rip.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
They go out, you know, they get they get cut open,
they'll sew themselves together on it in the in the
on the side of the rink and be playing by
the end of the game. And that doesn't even go
back in the day where you just get your teeth
knocked out.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
That's all right. I could play, I could play the
third period.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
So a level of toughness in hockey I don't think
we can match. But yeah, in baseball it is. I'll
tell you I used to and this is before replays.
It's a different ballgame now because of all the replace
so you can't kind of fake anything. But if I
had an O two count and that ball appeared to
graze my uniform. Oh, I'd sell it. I'd sell it,
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and I'd go down and even if it didn't hit me,
because I'm like, I get out of this two count,
I'd get the first base.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
And do something because I'm probably not going to get
a hit.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Also, another thing I used to do with my teammates
used to look at me because it wasn't my character
to really when I got hurt to behave like that.
But if I could get hit by a pitch inside,
I would sell. I'd go down like a ton of
bricks and just pretend like I just it hit me
in the worst spot you could get hit. And I'd
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always be kind of uh looking up under my helmet
rim to see if that picture was feeling sorry for me.
That was my goal. If I can get him to
feel bad that he hit me and he hurt me,
I got him set up for the next bat. What
did I just do? I just eliminated fastball in. Now
I can hang out over that plate. I know you
pull the soccer saw or something. He's not coming in.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
He's not coming in. He's not coming in. So yeah,
I don't know how we I know that story was a.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Little long for the question, but it's uh, yeah. I
just think it's kind of a known thing from when
you're a little when you're a little league, it's like
when you get hit, Yeah, come on, come on, Johnny,
it didn't hurt that much, rub some dirt on it,
let's go. So I think that's just kind of the
culture in baseball as all.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, Brett, you use the term tough watch to describe
the soccer game. I will use the same term to
describe what the hell we just watched the last three
days in Miami from the Seattle Mariners, and in particular
just the attention to detail stuff. And you put it
really succinctly in the last hour. I mean, you had
you had three bonehead situations in three successive games. You've
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got West and Wilson running behind a ground ball that's
going between second and third and he gets thrown out
at third. You get cold in extra innings, you get
Cole Young on the last pitch of the game not
challenging and having two challenges. And then yesterday you got
Colt Emerson not stepping on second base so he doesn't
turn a double play that would get you out of
the inning and end up giving up runs.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So what what's going on here? What's the common denominator
for all this slop?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
You know what, if I knew, I probably called Danny
and tell him, Hey, I know what's wrong with you. No,
that being said, it seems like when you're going, when
you're going, you're not going. Well, things like that happen.
Now it's different, you know. For me, it's it's like,
let's let's take them individually. Let's take the called third strike.
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We're living in a new era. This is the first
year for these challenges. And these guys, these current players, yeah,
they were almost halfway, so they've got some experience. They
know when the challenge when not to. But I wonder
unless you can actually, you know, you go and get
in the box and you are an actual player who
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knows what goes through your mind years and years of
doing it one way. Then oh, all of a sudden,
I have a challenge. Oh yeah, I forgot the challenge.
And by the way, you got to challenge it in
like two seconds. The pitch too young, just because I
wasn't watching intensely. I was kind of in the room
doing one thing in and out of the room. I
saw the pitch. I glanced at it. I said, that's
a nasty pitch right there, because in my generation, before
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the white box, before the challenges, that was a great pitch,
great located pitch. Now you put the box in there,
and all of a sudden we get really, we're all experts.
We know exactly what the ball is, exactly what a
strike said, strike is that being said the current players,
they know what a ball is, they know what a
strike is. I don't know if he went into that
inning thinking, Okay, we've got two challenges. I don't know
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what they're doing because I'm not in the dugout this year,
so I don't know what the overall strategy is. When
to challenge, when not to Is it an emotional challenge?
Is it not an emotional challenge? But I do think
at the midway point of this new system, even though
it's new for everybody and probably people are still learning,
at going into that inning, you know, hey, guys, as
a group, I would think this is what we would do.
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Get together as an offensive, you to go, hey, it's
the ninth we got two challenges. Let's make them count.
But just remember we have too, so everybody's kind of
on the same page. If you're you know, one through
five that inning we all know, so if there is
a close one, you can do that. And I just
think it's one of those things you get caught up
in the emotion. You're grinding out the vat what it
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appeared to the naked eye for me just watching the game.
If the box isn't up there, it was a money pitch,
it's just a it's a bullet strike on the outside corner.
Now after further review, it's not. But I just don't know.
If you get caught up in the emotions, you're grinding
so hard in the you forget. I don't know what
that was. But yes, if you're if you're prepared for that, yeah,
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that's that's a challenge. Situation to step in on the
base another.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Thing I never had to deal with.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I needed to fake like I stepped on the basse
because the guys are trying to knock me in a
left field. Now they have to slide in. Now that
you have to be on the base, Now that you
have to physically tag the runner, it's a different world.
So I when I used to train to turn double plays,
I used to train around the bag, and as long
as I gave you the illusion and I was very
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close to the bag, they were out every time with
that umpire because I had to get up in the
air and get out of the way. Nowadays, it is
like you said, you have to be attached to that
base when you have the So the double play is
different for me, and I grew up in an era
where I've never played where I had to physically be
anchored to that bag when I made the transition. So
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that's that's a unique one to me being a modern
day player. Those are the rules. Things like that can't happen,
And it just seems like when things are going bad,
things go bad, and things like that happen every day,
and as people watching, as people in the media, we're
going to be extra critical when let's be honest, this
team is just not living up to the expectations and
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what we thought they were going to be to start
the season.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Brett boone with this, and Brett, I want to just
kind of drill down one more question on that the
mechanisms of the of the a BS because you said, okay, uh,
you know, Wilson, Danny should have said, hey, remember now
we got two challenges left, but.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Well not necessarily, Danny. The players as a whole jobs
as hitters. Yeah, you think it's a player's job.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Okay, what about is there something that the the on
the guy on deck can Can there be some code?
I was kind of extrapolating certain codes we had in football,
and I said, you know, just an animal that begins
with C eight for challenge, you know, cheetah, cheetah. You know,
like like and the players you know over the course
of the season that there's a certain trigger where it's
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like boom and you just, you know, flexibly just tap
your hat, you know, like like like there's a there's
a a mechanism in case we forget that this is
the backup because we can't. I mean, hell, there's two
damn challenges there. And got Naylor on third base. You know,
he just worked, you know, you know if he challenges
that that it's clearly a ball, it's a three to
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two count. He got a chance to run into something
and tie the game in the ninth inning. So so
I just feel like, man, there's got to be something
more than just what you described, or am I being
unrealistic about.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Well, well, I don't think as far as as a
first of all they give you. I mean, I've seen
guys tap their helmet within three seconds and they don't
honor it because he's got to do it right now.
He doesn't want to be able to get any any
any signs from anybody else that might be seeing what
maybe he didn't see. Now, as a hitter, you're by
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far at all times, if you're on second base, it
doesn't matter. You're always going to have the best idea
of what is a ball and what is a strike.
I think you just have to because of the new rule.
I think that's one more checkpoint you have to go
through and just be mindful, be mindful where we're at
in the game. I always say, play to the scoreboard,
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play to what score it is. And I think now
with these challenges, if you know, going in in a
tight game in the ninth inning, you know you got
two challenges, and you're watching, you know if one of
your teammates uses another challenge or not, you know you
got two. So when push comes a shove and the
games on the line, you've got to be aware of that.
Even though it's a new rule, it's a rule that's
in there and you've had half a season now to
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kind of get used to it, so you've got to
be more aware. I went back and I re looked
at that pitch as well. Still, I thought it was
a great pitch just from the naked eye for me
sitting on the couch. But I'm used to do, you know,
checking that out my whole life. We used to we
do it by sight until this new ABS system comes out.
But the look on Young's face as he's walking back
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to the dugout was like a I don't know if
that was strike, but we don't have any challenges left.
It's almost like he didn't know he had two challenges.
That's what I read from the look on his face.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
No question about it, and you just you just can't
have that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And he's he's a young player, as is Cold, as
is Colt Emerson who made the mistake on on the
bag there. And let's let's talk a little bit about
Colt Emerson because we were going over his month by
month splits, and I mean he's gone from eight fifties
ops to high six hundreds ops. Now he's in the
three hundreds in the month of July. Smallest sample size
just seven games, but at what point should we be
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concerned that, Okay, Colt made the adjustment to big league
pitching really quickly, But now big league pitchers have made
the adjustment to that adjustment.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Absolutely, because I went through it. We all go through it,
you know, unless unless you're you're a freak of nature,
unless you're a Mic Trout, you're a Ken Griffy junior.
It seems like those guys just come to the big
leagues and never break stride. But the rest of us,
normal people, we do have to adjust it. And I
remember early on in my career, you know, I came
up and I struggled, and I made an adjustment, and now,
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like you said, they started making the adjustment back to me.
Now I've got to counter their adjustment. This kid is
twenty years old. I see his set up, I see
his makeup from what I know, from what I vision
on the outside, I don't know Colt at all. He's
got seven home runs as a twenty year old in
the big leagues with limited at bats. Now, yes, he's hitting.
(24:20):
I think he's back to two oh six. And I
remember when he came up and everybody was, well, Crawford's
got to move to third, and this and that. I
think this guy's the future. I think he's going to
have a great career to be twenty and playing at
the big league level. I was a junior in college
right so the fact that he's playing at the big
league level, I'm always in awe of the guys. They
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can get to the big leagues and handle it at
such an early age. But you've got to know, it
doesn't matter how talented you are if you're going to
make that switch. And they did make the switch. They
inserted him a short stop. He's probabing to be there
for the next ten years and put in Crawford to third.
You have to be pretty much knowing that he's twenty,
he's gonna struggle, and by us making this switch right now,
(25:05):
we're saying we're gonna live with whatever happens.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
It gets to a point where he struggles too much,
Crawford could just slide back. Donovan will be back maybe
before August.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
We'll see.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
It seems like he's been out a long time now.
But I think right now they've made that commitment, they're
gonna stick with it for a while.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And I think this kid's.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Talent enough he's gonna figure it out and he's gonna
have a he's gonna have a rally in the second half.
But being twenty doing what he's doing, it's it's for
a guy like me that got there when I was
twenty two, twenty three, and it was hard enough then
to be twenty. I tip my cap because not too
many people can do that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Brett Boone with us final a couple of minutes here,
and Brett, I'm not gonna ask you about Dan Wilson,
your team. Everybody loves Dan Wilson, right, So I'm gonna
ask you more of a hypothetical team that was projected
to be, you know, at he near the top of
the league whatever it's American or National League, and then
coming into the All Star Game likely to be maybe
(26:02):
a game over or a game under five hundred. So
clearly underachieving by any reasonable standards. At what point, and
there's nobody who understand the third generation baseball guy like
Brett Boone, there's nobody better to ask this question. At
what point is it reasonable to say, you know what,
(26:22):
we should make a change it. Man, I'm not talking
about Dan Wilson. I'm talking about this hypothetical team that
the manager. Something's got to be shaken up. We got
to go in another direction. Is it coming out of
the Is it? Is it by by trading deadline if
things aren't turned around, like like, how much of a
hot sheet, hot seat should this this hypothetical manager be on.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Well, I think now you've got you know, three years ago,
you could you could use the excuse of, hey, that's
a young team. There's not much experience on the team.
There's growing pains. You don't expect them to behave like
mature veteran guys. You don't have that anymore. You've got
you've got cal Rawley, who's coming off sixty homers. You've
(27:07):
got you've got a Julio that's been in the big
leagues now for four or five years. You've got it,
a ros Arena, a ton of postseason. You've got these
young pitchers and a very talented pitching staff. They've all
got three and four years under their belt. So we're
not at a point where we can make excuses for
being youthful and inexperienced.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
No, we're pretty experienced now.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
As far as the manager and Danny, you know certain guys,
you know kind of pop on your radar, and you think, man,
you know, are they going to make a change in
this particular situation. From what I've seen through all my
travels through the years and all the teams I played for,
all the Skippers I played for, there was one time
that I thought a manager change is necessary in this situation.
(27:49):
The rest of the time, these players we come to
the ballpark and we play, and the last thing we
ever think about is, oh, that's the manager's fault.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
No, it's our fault. The onus is always on us. Now,
if it.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Continues to go the wrong way, somebody's got to take
the fall for it. Example, Thompson in Philadelphia, he got fired.
From all accounts, and I've never met Thompson. From all accounts,
players really were fond of him. People in the organization,
Guys they have played with him, Guys that were on
a staff, they were very fond of Thompson, And all
of a sudden, they just thought a change needed to
(28:24):
be made because they thought this Philly team is too
talented to continue to go the way they were, So
they breakmatically takes over it. All of a sudden, they
start to play a little bit better. Sometimes something like
that rallies the players to say, it wakes them up,
say we got to start playing up.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
To our capabilities.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I rarely think it's the manager, and I don't think
in Seattle right now Danny's would per se be on
the hot seat. Yes, underachieving a lot, especially by the
way I had it.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
At the beginning of the year.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
I thought, Wow, Seattle's gonna just dominate this division. And
they're back and forth, and they're five hundred like the
rest of the American League. The American League, to me,
this year is unbelievable. I still can't get over it.
But I think I don't think Danny's on the hot seat.
I think it's gonna second half. I still think I
said this a few weeks ago. Dick, you remember this team.
(29:16):
I've never seen this talent of a team struggle for
an entire year. I've seen him struggle, but on paper,
especially with the pitch. And I've been going through the
American League, which is so mediocre this year.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
National League far superior.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
But I look at the teams that could really challenge
the Seattle Mariners, and it's Tampa Bays seems to be
a really good team this year. The Yankees in and out.
They were good early, but it's like they got some injuries. Texas,
I don't really see that yet. De gram Nivaldi at
the top, but the rest has kind of hit or miss.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Houston. Houston's just in the division.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
They're in the hunt just because the rest of the
league has played so mediocre. I've never usually through the
course of the season you say, Okay, we got a
rough trip. All we've got to go to ex Z. Boy,
those teams are good. I don't know what teams those are.
It's like, you're not going to play any great teams,
and you're not going to play any terrible teams. You're
just going to play teams that are just like you,
(30:10):
right in the middle, fighting to be around five hundred. So,
I don't know, it's been a weird year. I can't
see Seattle. I think a year ago, if I'm not mistaken,
I think Seattle had forty nine wins at this point
at the ninety four ninety four game one, and they
ended up they ended up winning ninety plus going to
the postseason, you know, one game away from going to.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
The World Series.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
I think this group of people, this this this roster
that's put together is more than capable of doing that
in the second half, especially with the American League being
as mediocre as it is this year.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Great stuff. Hope you're right. We'll talk to you next week.
Thanks Boonie, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
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Speaker 3 (31:39):
All right, here we go. Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
What's that?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
On our own podcast, former WNBA player Candace Parker talks
about how crazy it is that the players voted Caitlin
Clark as the eleventh best guard in the league.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I wholeheartedly believe that there needs to be some rules
with the WBA players because this is out of hand.
Kaitlyn Clark voted eleventh best guard by w b A players.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Is that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Kelsey Plum finished twelfth in player rank, but she'd be
percolating all over your defense.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You'd be chasing her downhill.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Kind of. It's kind of crazy. Like I I, well,
I think people need to look at themselves in the
mirror and realize, like, man, you got some you got
some insecurities if you're sitting down at it and Caitlin
Clark as the eleventh best.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Guard, well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
For the second consecutive year now, Caitlin Clark has been
voted very high by the media third this year, uh
and very high by the fans second this year. And
for the second consecutive year, she's been voted in the
double digits by the players. Now it hasn't cost her
a starting spot because the fans in the media were
(32:56):
so high in their voting, but clearly there's an is
you right now?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Well, I would put you as number one in the
Seattle media to be able to comment on that. What's
what's your take on all of that or or can
you be candid about it? Or are there are there
certain No? I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
No, I haven't certainly been haven't been told by anybody
not to. I talked about it on the on the
broadcast a couple of days ago that it just seems
like I do believe that the fans probably feel Kaitlin
Clark's not as good as the fans think she is.
Like the fans, I think there's some fans that literally
(33:37):
think Caitlin Clark's the best player in the history of
women's college bass or women's professional basketball.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's not the case.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But I think the players see Caitlin Clark as somebody
that came in and elevated this league to something greater
than it has been. And I think the players that
have been in this league that have built it up
are like, hey, you know, we did something too here
over the last five, ten, fifteen years in their time,
(34:05):
and so if there's any jealousy, I think it probably
comes from that that they're like, the players are like, yeah,
you did take it to another level, but it was
Let's keep in mind, the eyeballs would not continuously be
on the non Kitlin Clark games if we weren't good too.
And I think there's a lot of good that's going
(34:27):
on the WNBA that goes outside what they're doing in
Indiana with Kitlin Clark and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
In Dallas with Pagebeckers. That's the best thing that I
would the best way I would die.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
How were the numbers now compared to before she came
in the league?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Massive before she before she came in the league. And
what was interesting is that the numbers held last year
and she only played twelve games last year out of
forty four.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Doesn't mean she didn't bring a bump.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Correct, doesn't mean she did.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right, I'm just saying it, like, if it was just
Caitlin Clark, then then my deductive reasoning would be that
when she's playing, the ratings would great, and when she's
not playing, the ratings would not be.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
What do you think is a more fair Okay, so
the players rated or eleventh. You mentioned the fans, the
media in the top three what where do you.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think she's top five?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Would you say five, I'd say I'd say five is
purpose the top five?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
So so explain why the players voted her eleven when
various entities, including yourself viewers at least top five.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, she does have an air about her that I
think would rub that would rub some players the wrong way.
But what's funny about it is that Marina Maybray has
the same air and the players voted her higher than
the media and the fans did. So that kind of
flies in the face of my theory that, well, maybe
she just is ticking the other players off by, you know,
(35:50):
kind of how she's playing and.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Any other factor that you can think of.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Do you let me ask you. Do you think it's
more how people have responded to her and the fact
that they weren't as responsive to other players, the fans
and the media attention around the WNBA, or is it
something that she specifically is doing that ticks off the
other players?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The only thing that she would be doing. She's very
demonstrative on the floor, right.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Do you think it's more of that or do you
think it's the fact she's getting more attention than they have?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Probably a combination, I would say probably the attention probably
would be more okay, right right, But I don't know.
I don't know the fact I think I think there's
probably a wide spectrum of players. I think there's probably
players that despise her. I think there's players that totally
think she's great, and I think there's players in the middle.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
We had time for one more. We had to get
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
After Yuri Perez was taken out of the game in
the middle of a perfect game after seven innings, we
alluded to this yesterday you the A's fans up in
arms about how they missed out on a chance at
baseball history.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
But something I.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Thoroughly appreciate is what we're seeing from these fans.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Do I appreciate fans leaving the ball again, and they're
not necessarily, but these are the stances.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
I can understand it, because they wanted to see something special, yeah, right,
and they were seeing something special with.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Eurie saying shame right now.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Yes.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
The thing is too is that the fans don't realize
and understand that what happened with Uri that he you know,
is coming back from injury that he hasn't been going,
and of course Uri wants to be out there.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Well, here goes the perfect game as Lake Balker walks
the first as hitter he sees and.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
This is the road team, you the team that's getting
perfecto and against them, they're like, we want to see
a perfect game.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Well, the Sacramento I don't know that. I'm not sure
that they feel really, you know, a deep seated bond.
Certainly they don't have a long seated bond with the A's, right,
so they're just kind of they're just renning the A's
for a year or two, no question about it. Yeah, no,
I I will ask you.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
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He's he's absolutely got an opinion on the on that.
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a little base ball here, Brett Boone's gonna join us
in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But boil boy, guys. And it's been tough.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's probably been easier for Anders to watch these games
over the last few days as it's been for me
and Hugh since we've been simultaneously stumbling through.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A radio show. Yeah, well, these games are going on.
Have you been doing the post game shows?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And I take a month off of the World Cup
because of my coverage, So what a time to take
it off?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Break down this bad team, least recently, Hugh, I just.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Tweeted five words last night after you know, we were
during It was during a break of the show that
we were doing, and I saw a ground ball.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
It was taken.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was thrown to Colt Emerson, who supposed to be
covering Yeah from Naylor, supposed to be covering second base.
Emerson thought he had touched second base through at the
first Logan Gilbert dropped the ball, so a guy rounded.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Third came home to score.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Bryce Miller.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh, sorry, Bryce Miller.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm sorry Bryce Miller came around to score or the
runner came around to score.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I just tweeted this is little league stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I have I have felt this way too many
times about this baseball team this season, and I need
some help from both of you guys, because I don't
remember feeling this way the last few years.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I have felt like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We got a hole in the offense and wow, we've
had way too many games where we can't score any runs.
But I've never felt I don't remember ever feeling like
this is just a sloppy little leaguee just at the
very best, average looking baseball team. Have Hugh, have you
remembered feeling that way over the last few years or
(03:00):
is this something unique to you this year.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think when you go through losing streaks that there there.
I think you'd surprise you more often than you thought.
I'm prepared to accept it. I'd probably push back if
it's if you want to argue that it's a lot more.
But I think you know here, you just get swept
down in Miami, and and you had three games back
to back where something little league ish happened. Okay, the
(03:28):
first game, you go to extra innings, you you pinch run.
Excuse me what the ghost runner on second? You get
a relatively hard hit ball to shortstop and and you're
running with no outs and you and you get you
get tagged at third base. Terrible, So right, so will
West and Wilson is playing like a little leaguer. Then
(03:51):
game two, you're down. You know it's a too too count,
and you you get a ball to two baseballs outside
the strike, and we don't have a method of operation,
the mechanics of making sure that we challenge, which would
have absolutely taken into a three to two count with
(04:11):
a man on third, Naylor and you're down two runs.
So that's little leaguish. And then the situation that you
cited yesterday, that's a fourth inning. You're you're down two
to one. There's a man on first and second for
the Marlins. You get a ground ball to first with
one out, so you gotta you gotta double play. You're
out of the inn out, you're out of the end.
(04:33):
You got a good throw from Naylor and now, you know,
God bless him. You know he's a young kid, but uh,
you know he's gonna stare at the ceiling like really
with that. So not only does he choose the throw,
he dirts the ball, so uh so Miller covering can't
scoop it. And so the runner at first is safe.
The runner who had been on second he comes around
(04:56):
and because of the cheese throw, he's able to score
from second. And then they review and Emerson had taken
his foot off the bag at second. So at all
three play, at all three bags that you could have
gotten out, you got none of them. And and so
that was a very little league's play. And you know,
(05:17):
the Colt Emerson, I don't know if you can get
two errors for one damn play, but it seemed like
he did.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He had a throwing air and he had a foot error.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, not to mention he's not really hitting that much
recently either, So I almost want to I hate to
say this because he was so good for a little
bit when he started to come up, is it time
to think about sending him back down and kind of
get right a little bit? And you know this is
going to happen with younger players. And it's not like
you have a ton of options behind him, moving JP
(05:45):
back to short whatever that looks like, or you're just
going to kind of go with the bumps here. But
the thing for me is, are the Mariners even going
to be in a position to be buyers at this deadline?
Because the way they're playing right now does not suggest
to me like they are a team that should be
in the contenders category, right, But they are contenders?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean, they're a half game out of first they are.
But god, I just I mean, I see what you're saying.
But but they they they will be. Now the question
I think really is what kind of buyers are they
gonna be?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Are they gonna be the buyers that are that kind
of look like sellers and kind of look like buyers
like we have been in the past.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Twenty three Paul seawallt and you get Tom can Zone.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's exactly right. Was it a buy what is it
a sell?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Or?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Will they be truly buyers like they were when they
got Luis Castillo like we did last we got Randy
rose Rena last year. You know, so those those situations.
But you're your point is well taken. Anderson Colt, I
mean Colts first month in the BIGS, he had an
eight fifty three OPS. His second month in the BIGS,
he had a six ninety four OPS. And this month now,
(06:49):
albeit it's only been one, two, three, four by seven games,
he's got a three forty five OPS. So I mean,
I'm not ready to send him down.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Not three forty five. Not slugging, not bad, no, no, no, no,
no more slugging. No, it's slugging.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
His slugging and his average are exactly the same because
he only has singles. So he is three for twenty two.
That is a one thirty six average and a one
thirty six slug.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Here, well, you got in order, right, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
You got batting average in on base percentage, then slugging,
and then opiate like they should increase. So the higher,
the highest of the four should be OPS. And you're
talking about an OPS in the threes.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Yikes.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, three singles in the last five games.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So well, and the Mariners are two for twenty five,
with two for twenty five with the runners on and
scoring position this series. I mean, they had they had
at least one of those games should be it should
have been a Mariner win. If not two of those
games could it should have been a Mariner win. But
they could get nothing going. Yeah, and you take a
look at I did this, This was before yesterday's game.
But Julio, cal and Munnos last year combined excuse me
(08:04):
and Randy So Julio kal Wu, Munjos and Randy, I mean,
arguably the five most talented players on your team combined
for a twenty four and a half war last season.
This year, they are on pace for an eleven war.
They are on pace to produce less than half of
the war output in twenty twenty six that they did
(08:25):
in twenty twenty five. And then another thing that's big
difference from last year this year, guys, is the.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Comeback wins versus the blown leads.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This year, you would hope that that number would be
in the positive.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, last year it was. It was a plus ten.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Last year they had forty three comeback wins and thirty
three blown leads, so they were a plus ten in
those games that could go either way. This year they're
a minus seven. Yeah already, So they're on pace for
like a minus thirteen on the season.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I'd argue they have a better bullpen this year
than they did last year arguably.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean, they don't have brass, but you know, but yes,
they have extra guys that they didn't have last year.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Right, Oh, it's been.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
So big guy.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
They've had a couple of guys that are not leverage
relievers whatsoever, that have been put into leverage situations and
they yes, you know, and they've they've pitched like guys
that are no are you know, low leverage not high
leverage pitchers.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, if another thing I looked at is we got
to figure out what this team actually is, because this team,
if you take out the three weeks of September last
year when they went seventeen and one. Now, obviously that
counts in your record, you went nineteen seventy two, largely
because you went seventeen and one, but you've got a
lot bigger sample size, in fact, one hundred and thirty
(09:46):
eight game sample size of every other game in twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty six other than those eighteen
where they went seventeen and one. Their record in those
one hundred and thirty eight games or two hundred and
thirty eight games is one twenty and one eighteen they
are eight five hundred baseball team since the beginning of
twenty twenty five, if you take out that three week
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stretch where they got absolutely mercurreally hot. Let's talk to
Bred Boone about it next on ninety three point three KJERFM.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Coming to you live from our Elliott Avenue studios of
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. It's time for
our weekly conversation with former Mariners all star Brett Boone,
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SOFTI and Dick.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
You gotta be the best open we've got for a guess.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Guy right into his name, So good, so good, Andres
isn't old enough to remember this was his.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Walk up song, So good Booney? How you doing man?
Speaker 7 (10:53):
What's happening?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Oh man?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, we're actually talking a lot more soccer on the
air than we normally do. That's for I'm sure did
you I just saw the new numbers at fifty million?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Watch that game between the US and Belgium. Were you
one of them?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (11:08):
I I tuned in the second half. Ah, it's it's
that's a tough watch for me soccer. I'm not a
soccer guy. You know, it's I did learn.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Man.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
They like to flop out there on the soccer field.
They like to go down like they got hit by
a cannon and then five secondary they're fine. They're fine.
I'll tell you grow I grow grew up on the
East Coast, and when I was a kid, I played soccer.
You know, that's back when we played basketball. If you
played basketball one season, baseball, then you played football or soccer. Well,
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I was a soccer All my buddies played football, and
I played soccer, and I loved it. It was it
was probably it might have been my favorite sport over
baseball at the time. And I kind of got pushed
around about buddies in the at school, my buddies that
I hung with, and they're like, oh, you're a wollosh,
you're playing soccer. And they kind of kind of guilted
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me into playing football. And then I started paying playing
pee wee football, and I always thought, man, I wish
I would have kept played soccer. Look that big, well,
I have a tough time watching it, I gotscha.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, Well, we were actually talking about that. The the
kind of culture of of soccer. And and I distinguished
Booney for this purposes of this discussion. The difference between flopping,
because we see that in basketball that's trying to simulate
that you you got hit when you didn't. I'm distinguishing
that from the actual laying on the ground and writhing
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in pain that you alluded to. And I'm curious from
the from a baseball perspective, how does that get policed?
Maybe early on when you're a kid, you know, you
you take a ball off the you know, the tape
of the bat out coach my my handsting or or
or you know, you get hitting the in the knee
or the elbow with an inside pitcher or something like like,
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just talk about how baseball all because I don't see
that writhing from baseball very often. Obviously, if you take
one hundred mile an hour at the wrist and you
break your hands, You've seen some guys that, But as
a general rule these there seems to be a toughness culture.
The baseball is not going to allow you to roll
around like a baby. Just maybe talk about that how
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that that comes into being in the culture in the
sport of baseball.
Speaker 8 (13:25):
Yeah, it's kind of a thing, you know, rub some
dirt on it, let's go. I don't want to say
it didn't hurt that much, you know. It's that type
of attitude I think that the baseball community has. That
being said, we're not even close to as tough as
the hockey guys. These hockey guys are at a different level,
and they're my favorite athletes, you know, and all the
years and uh activities off the field and events that
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we attend, I always was drawn to the hockey guys.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Because they just don't give a rip.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
They go out, you know, they get they get cut open,
they'll sew themselves together on it in the in the
on the side of the rink and be playing by
the end of the game. And that doesn't even go
back in the day where you just get your teeth
knocked out.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
That's all right. I could play, I could play the
third period.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
So a level of toughness in hockey I don't think
we can match. But yeah, in baseball it is. I'll
tell you I used to and this is before replays.
It's a different ballgame now because of all the replace
so you can't kind of fake anything. But if I
had an O two count and that ball appeared to
graze my uniform. Oh, I'd sell it. I'd sell it,
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and I'd go down and even if it didn't hit me,
because I'm like, I get out of this two count,
I'd get the first base.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
And do something because I'm probably not going to get
a hit.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Also, another thing I used to do with my teammates
used to look at me because it wasn't my character
to really when I got hurt to behave like that.
But if I could get hit by a pitch inside,
I would sell. I'd go down like a ton of
bricks and just pretend like I just it hit me
in the worst spot you could get hit. And I'd
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always be kind of uh looking up under my helmet
rim to see if that picture was feeling sorry for me.
That was my goal. If I can get him to
feel bad that he hit me and he hurt me,
I got him set up for the next bat. What
did I just do? I just eliminated fastball in. Now
I can hang out over that plate. I know you
pull the soccer saw or something. He's not coming in.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
He's not coming in. He's not coming in. So yeah,
I don't know how we I know that story was a.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Little long for the question, but it's uh, yeah. I
just think it's kind of a known thing from when
you're a little when you're a little league, it's like
when you get hit, Yeah, come on, come on, Johnny,
it didn't hurt that much, rub some dirt on it,
let's go. So I think that's just kind of the
culture in baseball as all.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, Brett, you use the term tough watch to describe
the soccer game. I will use the same term to
describe what the hell we just watched the last three
days in Miami from the Seattle Mariners, and in particular
just the attention to detail stuff. And you put it
really succinctly in the last hour. I mean, you had
you had three bonehead situations in three successive games. You've
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got West and Wilson running behind a ground ball that's
going between second and third and he gets thrown out
at third. You get cold in extra innings, you get
Cole Young on the last pitch of the game not
challenging and having two challenges. And then yesterday you got
Colt Emerson not stepping on second base so he doesn't
turn a double play that would get you out of
the inning and end up giving up runs.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So what what's going on here? What's the common denominator
for all this slop?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
You know what, if I knew, I probably called Danny
and tell him, Hey, I know what's wrong with you. No,
that being said, it seems like when you're going, when
you're going, you're not going. Well, things like that happen.
Now it's different, you know. For me, it's it's like,
let's let's take them individually. Let's take the called third strike.
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We're living in a new era. This is the first
year for these challenges. And these guys, these current players, yeah,
they were almost halfway, so they've got some experience. They
know when the challenge when not to. But I wonder
unless you can actually, you know, you go and get
in the box and you are an actual player who
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knows what goes through your mind years and years of
doing it one way. Then oh, all of a sudden,
I have a challenge. Oh yeah, I forgot the challenge.
And by the way, you got to challenge it in
like two seconds. The pitch too young, just because I
wasn't watching intensely. I was kind of in the room
doing one thing in and out of the room. I
saw the pitch. I glanced at it. I said, that's
a nasty pitch right there, because in my generation, before
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the white box, before the challenges, that was a great pitch,
great located pitch. Now you put the box in there,
and all of a sudden we get really, we're all experts.
We know exactly what the ball is, exactly what a
strike said, strike is that being said the current players,
they know what a ball is, they know what a
strike is. I don't know if he went into that
inning thinking, Okay, we've got two challenges. I don't know
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what they're doing because I'm not in the dugout this year,
so I don't know what the overall strategy is. When
to challenge, when not to Is it an emotional challenge?
Is it not an emotional challenge? But I do think
at the midway point of this new system, even though
it's new for everybody and probably people are still learning,
at going into that inning, you know, hey, guys, as
a group, I would think this is what we would do.
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Get together as an offensive, you to go, hey, it's
the ninth we got two challenges. Let's make them count.
But just remember we have too, so everybody's kind of
on the same page. If you're you know, one through
five that inning we all know, so if there is
a close one, you can do that. And I just
think it's one of those things you get caught up
in the emotion. You're grinding out the vat what it
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appeared to the naked eye for me just watching the game.
If the box isn't up there, it was a money pitch,
it's just a it's a bullet strike on the outside corner.
Now after further review, it's not. But I just don't know.
If you get caught up in the emotions, you're grinding
so hard in the you forget. I don't know what
that was. But yes, if you're if you're prepared for that, yeah,
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that's that's a challenge. Situation to step in on the
base another.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Thing I never had to deal with.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I needed to fake like I stepped on the basse
because the guys are trying to knock me in a
left field. Now they have to slide in. Now that
you have to be on the base, Now that you
have to physically tag the runner, it's a different world.
So I when I used to train to turn double plays,
I used to train around the bag, and as long
as I gave you the illusion and I was very
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close to the bag, they were out every time with
that umpire because I had to get up in the
air and get out of the way. Nowadays, it is
like you said, you have to be attached to that
base when you have the So the double play is
different for me, and I grew up in an era
where I've never played where I had to physically be
anchored to that bag when I made the transition. So
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that's that's a unique one to me being a modern
day player. Those are the rules. Things like that can't happen,
And it just seems like when things are going bad,
things go bad, and things like that happen every day,
and as people watching, as people in the media, we're
going to be extra critical when let's be honest, this
team is just not living up to the expectations and
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what we thought they were going to be to start
the season.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Brett boone with this, and Brett, I want to just
kind of drill down one more question on that the
mechanisms of the of the a BS because you said, okay, uh,
you know, Wilson, Danny should have said, hey, remember now
we got two challenges left, but.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Well not necessarily, Danny. The players as a whole jobs
as hitters. Yeah, you think it's a player's job.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Okay, what about is there something that the the on
the guy on deck can Can there be some code?
I was kind of extrapolating certain codes we had in football,
and I said, you know, just an animal that begins
with C eight for challenge, you know, cheetah, cheetah. You know,
like like and the players you know over the course
of the season that there's a certain trigger where it's
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like boom and you just, you know, flexibly just tap
your hat, you know, like like like there's a there's
a a mechanism in case we forget that this is
the backup because we can't. I mean, hell, there's two
damn challenges there. And got Naylor on third base. You know,
he just worked, you know, you know if he challenges
that that it's clearly a ball, it's a three to
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two count. He got a chance to run into something
and tie the game in the ninth inning. So so
I just feel like, man, there's got to be something
more than just what you described, or am I being
unrealistic about.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Well, well, I don't think as far as as a
first of all they give you. I mean, I've seen
guys tap their helmet within three seconds and they don't
honor it because he's got to do it right now.
He doesn't want to be able to get any any
any signs from anybody else that might be seeing what
maybe he didn't see. Now, as a hitter, you're by
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far at all times, if you're on second base, it
doesn't matter. You're always going to have the best idea
of what is a ball and what is a strike.
I think you just have to because of the new rule.
I think that's one more checkpoint you have to go
through and just be mindful, be mindful where we're at
in the game. I always say, play to the scoreboard,
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play to what score it is. And I think now
with these challenges, if you know, going in in a
tight game in the ninth inning, you know you got
two challenges, and you're watching, you know if one of
your teammates uses another challenge or not, you know you
got two. So when push comes a shove and the
games on the line, you've got to be aware of that.
Even though it's a new rule, it's a rule that's
in there and you've had half a season now to
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kind of get used to it, so you've got to
be more aware. I went back and I re looked
at that pitch as well. Still, I thought it was
a great pitch just from the naked eye for me
sitting on the couch. But I'm used to do, you know,
checking that out my whole life. We used to we
do it by sight until this new ABS system comes out.
But the look on Young's face as he's walking back
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to the dugout was like a I don't know if
that was strike, but we don't have any challenges left.
It's almost like he didn't know he had two challenges.
That's what I read from the look on his face.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
No question about it, and you just you just can't
have that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And he's he's a young player, as is Cold, as
is Colt Emerson who made the mistake on on the
bag there. And let's let's talk a little bit about
Colt Emerson because we were going over his month by
month splits, and I mean he's gone from eight fifties
ops to high six hundreds ops. Now he's in the
three hundreds in the month of July. Smallest sample size
just seven games, but at what point should we be
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concerned that, Okay, Colt made the adjustment to big league
pitching really quickly, But now big league pitchers have made
the adjustment to that adjustment.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Absolutely, because I went through it. We all go through it,
you know, unless unless you're you're a freak of nature,
unless you're a Mic Trout, you're a Ken Griffy junior.
It seems like those guys just come to the big
leagues and never break stride. But the rest of us,
normal people, we do have to adjust it. And I
remember early on in my career, you know, I came
up and I struggled, and I made an adjustment, and now,
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like you said, they started making the adjustment back to me.
Now I've got to counter their adjustment. This kid is
twenty years old. I see his set up, I see
his makeup from what I know, from what I vision
on the outside, I don't know Colt at all. He's
got seven home runs as a twenty year old in
the big leagues with limited at bats. Now, yes, he's hitting.
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I think he's back to two oh six. And I
remember when he came up and everybody was, well, Crawford's
got to move to third, and this and that. I
think this guy's the future. I think he's going to
have a great career to be twenty and playing at
the big league level. I was a junior in college
right so the fact that he's playing at the big
league level, I'm always in awe of the guys. They
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can get to the big leagues and handle it at
such an early age. But you've got to know, it
doesn't matter how talented you are if you're going to
make that switch. And they did make the switch. They
inserted him a short stop. He's probabing to be there
for the next ten years and put in Crawford to third.
You have to be pretty much knowing that he's twenty,
he's gonna struggle, and by us making this switch right now,
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we're saying we're gonna live with whatever happens.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
It gets to a point where he struggles too much,
Crawford could just slide back. Donovan will be back maybe
before August.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
We'll see.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
It seems like he's been out a long time now.
But I think right now they've made that commitment, they're
gonna stick with it for a while.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And I think this kid's.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Talent enough he's gonna figure it out and he's gonna
have a he's gonna have a rally in the second half.
But being twenty doing what he's doing, it's it's for
a guy like me that got there when I was
twenty two, twenty three, and it was hard enough then
to be twenty. I tip my cap because not too
many people can do that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Brett Boone with us final a couple of minutes here,
and Brett, I'm not gonna ask you about Dan Wilson,
your team. Everybody loves Dan Wilson, right, So I'm gonna
ask you more of a hypothetical team that was projected
to be, you know, at he near the top of
the league whatever it's American or National League, and then
coming into the All Star Game likely to be maybe
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a game over or a game under five hundred. So
clearly underachieving by any reasonable standards. At what point, and
there's nobody who understand the third generation baseball guy like
Brett Boone, there's nobody better to ask this question. At
what point is it reasonable to say, you know what,
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we should make a change it. Man, I'm not talking
about Dan Wilson. I'm talking about this hypothetical team that
the manager. Something's got to be shaken up. We got
to go in another direction. Is it coming out of
the Is it? Is it by by trading deadline if
things aren't turned around, like like, how much of a
hot sheet, hot seat should this this hypothetical manager be on.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Well, I think now you've got you know, three years ago,
you could you could use the excuse of, hey, that's
a young team. There's not much experience on the team.
There's growing pains. You don't expect them to behave like
mature veteran guys. You don't have that anymore. You've got
you've got cal Rawley, who's coming off sixty homers. You've
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got you've got a Julio that's been in the big
leagues now for four or five years. You've got it,
a ros Arena, a ton of postseason. You've got these
young pitchers and a very talented pitching staff. They've all
got three and four years under their belt. So we're
not at a point where we can make excuses for
being youthful and inexperienced.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
No, we're pretty experienced now.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
As far as the manager and Danny, you know certain guys,
you know kind of pop on your radar, and you think, man,
you know, are they going to make a change in
this particular situation. From what I've seen through all my
travels through the years and all the teams I played for,
all the Skippers I played for, there was one time
that I thought a manager change is necessary in this situation.
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The rest of the time, these players we come to
the ballpark and we play, and the last thing we
ever think about is, oh, that's the manager's fault.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
No, it's our fault. The onus is always on us. Now,
if it.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Continues to go the wrong way, somebody's got to take
the fall for it. Example, Thompson in Philadelphia, he got fired.
From all accounts, and I've never met Thompson. From all accounts,
players really were fond of him. People in the organization,
Guys they have played with him, Guys that were on
a staff, they were very fond of Thompson, And all
of a sudden, they just thought a change needed to
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be made because they thought this Philly team is too
talented to continue to go the way they were, So
they breakmatically takes over it. All of a sudden, they
start to play a little bit better. Sometimes something like
that rallies the players to say, it wakes them up,
say we got to start playing up.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
To our capabilities.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I rarely think it's the manager, and I don't think
in Seattle right now Danny's would per se be on
the hot seat. Yes, underachieving a lot, especially by the
way I had it.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
At the beginning of the year.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
I thought, Wow, Seattle's gonna just dominate this division. And
they're back and forth, and they're five hundred like the
rest of the American League. The American League, to me,
this year is unbelievable. I still can't get over it.
But I think I don't think Danny's on the hot seat.
I think it's gonna second half. I still think I
said this a few weeks ago. Dick, you remember this team.
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I've never seen this talent of a team struggle for
an entire year. I've seen him struggle, but on paper,
especially with the pitch. And I've been going through the
American League, which is so mediocre this year.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
National League far superior.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
But I look at the teams that could really challenge
the Seattle Mariners, and it's Tampa Bays seems to be
a really good team this year. The Yankees in and out.
They were good early, but it's like they got some injuries. Texas,
I don't really see that yet. De gram Nivaldi at
the top, but the rest has kind of hit or miss.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Houston. Houston's just in the division.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
They're in the hunt just because the rest of the
league has played so mediocre. I've never usually through the
course of the season you say, Okay, we got a
rough trip. All we've got to go to ex Z. Boy,
those teams are good. I don't know what teams those are.
It's like, you're not going to play any great teams,
and you're not going to play any terrible teams. You're
just going to play teams that are just like you,
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right in the middle, fighting to be around five hundred. So,
I don't know, it's been a weird year. I can't
see Seattle. I think a year ago, if I'm not mistaken,
I think Seattle had forty nine wins at this point
at the ninety four ninety four game one, and they
ended up they ended up winning ninety plus going to
the postseason, you know, one game away from going to.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
The World Series.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
I think this group of people, this this this roster
that's put together is more than capable of doing that
in the second half, especially with the American League being
as mediocre as it is this year.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Great stuff. Hope you're right. We'll talk to you next week.
Thanks Boonie, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
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All right, here we go. Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
What's that?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
On our own podcast, former WNBA player Candace Parker talks
about how crazy it is that the players voted Caitlin
Clark as the eleventh best guard in the league.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I wholeheartedly believe that there needs to be some rules
with the WBA players because this is out of hand.
Kaitlyn Clark voted eleventh best guard by w b A players.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Is that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Kelsey Plum finished twelfth in player rank, but she'd be
percolating all over your defense.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You'd be chasing her downhill.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Kind of. It's kind of crazy. Like I I, well,
I think people need to look at themselves in the
mirror and realize, like, man, you got some you got
some insecurities if you're sitting down at it and Caitlin
Clark as the eleventh best.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Guard, well, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
For the second consecutive year now, Caitlin Clark has been
voted very high by the media third this year, uh
and very high by the fans second this year. And
for the second consecutive year, she's been voted in the
double digits by the players. Now it hasn't cost her
a starting spot because the fans in the media were
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so high in their voting, but clearly there's an is
you right now?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Well, I would put you as number one in the
Seattle media to be able to comment on that. What's
what's your take on all of that or or can
you be candid about it? Or are there are there
certain No? I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
No, I haven't certainly been haven't been told by anybody
not to. I talked about it on the on the
broadcast a couple of days ago that it just seems
like I do believe that the fans probably feel Kaitlin
Clark's not as good as the fans think she is.
Like the fans, I think there's some fans that literally
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think Caitlin Clark's the best player in the history of
women's college bass or women's professional basketball.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's not the case.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But I think the players see Caitlin Clark as somebody
that came in and elevated this league to something greater
than it has been. And I think the players that
have been in this league that have built it up
are like, hey, you know, we did something too here
over the last five, ten, fifteen years in their time,
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and so if there's any jealousy, I think it probably
comes from that that they're like, the players are like, yeah,
you did take it to another level, but it was
Let's keep in mind, the eyeballs would not continuously be
on the non Kitlin Clark games if we weren't good too.
And I think there's a lot of good that's going
(34:27):
on the WNBA that goes outside what they're doing in
Indiana with Kitlin Clark and what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
In Dallas with Pagebeckers. That's the best thing that I
would the best way I would die.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
How were the numbers now compared to before she came
in the league?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Massive before she before she came in the league. And
what was interesting is that the numbers held last year
and she only played twelve games last year out of
forty four.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Doesn't mean she didn't bring a bump.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Correct, doesn't mean she did.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Right, I'm just saying it, like, if it was just
Caitlin Clark, then then my deductive reasoning would be that
when she's playing, the ratings would great, and when she's
not playing, the ratings would not be.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
What do you think is a more fair Okay, so
the players rated or eleventh. You mentioned the fans, the
media in the top three what where do you.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think she's top five?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Would you say five, I'd say I'd say five is
purpose the top five?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
So so explain why the players voted her eleven when
various entities, including yourself viewers at least top five.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, she does have an air about her that I
think would rub that would rub some players the wrong way.
But what's funny about it is that Marina Maybray has
the same air and the players voted her higher than
the media and the fans did. So that kind of
flies in the face of my theory that, well, maybe
she just is ticking the other players off by, you know,
(35:50):
kind of how she's playing and.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Any other factor that you can think of.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Do you let me ask you. Do you think it's
more how people have responded to her and the fact
that they weren't as responsive to other players, the fans
and the media attention around the WNBA, or is it
something that she specifically is doing that ticks off the
other players?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The only thing that she would be doing. She's very
demonstrative on the floor, right.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Do you think it's more of that or do you
think it's the fact she's getting more attention than they have?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Probably a combination, I would say probably the attention probably
would be more okay, right right, But I don't know.
I don't know the fact I think I think there's
probably a wide spectrum of players. I think there's probably
players that despise her. I think there's players that totally
think she's great, and I think there's players in the middle.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
We had time for one more. We had to get
the word we can't have a one to one story
fun with audio.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
After Yuri Perez was taken out of the game in
the middle of a perfect game after seven innings, we
alluded to this yesterday you the A's fans up in
arms about how they missed out on a chance at
baseball history.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
But something I.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Thoroughly appreciate is what we're seeing from these fans.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Do I appreciate fans leaving the ball again, and they're
not necessarily, but these are the stances.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
I can understand it, because they wanted to see something special, yeah, right,
and they were seeing something special with.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Eurie saying shame right now.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Yes.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
The thing is too is that the fans don't realize
and understand that what happened with Uri that he you know,
is coming back from injury that he hasn't been going,
and of course Uri wants to be out there.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Well, here goes the perfect game as Lake Balker walks
the first as hitter he sees and.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
This is the road team, you the team that's getting
perfecto and against them, they're like, we want to see
a perfect game.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Well, the Sacramento I don't know that. I'm not sure
that they feel really, you know, a deep seated bond.
Certainly they don't have a long seated bond with the A's, right,
so they're just kind of they're just renning the A's
for a year or two, no question about it. Yeah, no,
I I will ask you.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, well ask Chuck. Let's talk to Chuck Powell about it.
He's he's absolutely got an opinion on the on that.
We'll talk to him next on ninety three point three
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