Softy and Dick 8-14 Hour 3: Hugh Millen, Hard Knocks, Chris Daniels

In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Hugh Millen about the Seahawks signing cornerback Terrion Arnold amidst his legal issues, then the guys listen and react to clips from this week’s episode of Hard Knocks focusing on Seattle, then Chris Daniels talks about the sale of the Lakers, NBA expansion, and owner bids.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Kjar joining us right now on the radio program Live
at Five.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
He was on this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
He was on today, and I found myself listening and thinking,
you know what, this is great. I'm really getting all
I need. I don't need any more. I don't want
to have more at four. I want to have Live
at five with Hugh Millen. He joins us right now
on a Friday. How are you man?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm doing great. How are you guys doing good?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We're doing swell, Man, Swell. We're in Tacoma Cheney Stadium.
You know, cold Emerson was supposed to be here, but
now he's not because he's on the ten day il
instead with a wrist injury that the Mariners say that
they really weren't aware of. They said he should have
been more transparent. He wasn't letting him know how bad
the injury was and other people out there include Mike

(01:00):
Varella said, you know what, Yeah, it's on the player
to be transparent, But not a great look for the
franchise to not know how badly their shortstop phenom was
banged up.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
What do you think, well, if he was good enough
to play. I don't know. It's hard for me to
criticize the team because I think players do that often.
I think they conceal injuries, you know, if they feel
like they're gonna play anyways. You know, what's the use
in trying to you know, you sound like excuses. I mean,

(01:32):
I could give you examples in my own career. I
think that's natural. You know, if you don't think that
it's really affecting how you play, then I could see
why you wouldn't disclose it. So I don't know a
lot of the details, but I'm not gonna hold it
against the club for not being mind readers.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
The implication in is they should they should swing by
on their next road swing by Vegas, go sit at
the poker table and read everybody's mind and win a
lump of cash at the at the table. Because they're
supposed to be mind readers. Now I don't. I don't
connect it that way, Hugh.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
In my mind's eye, I can envision you last night
in front of the nerd machine and the videos and
just pouring over Alabama Crimson Tide Secondary and Detroit Lyons
Secondary to tell us all about Terry and Arnold.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
So what jumped out at you first?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well?

Speaker 7 (02:28):
I did.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I watched every play pass play of the Lions that
he was on the field. So even if the ball
went in the opposite way and he jogged after it,
I watched it, and watched number six, and and you know,
I just wanted to kind of evaluate from the perspective
of if I was in a quarterback room and we
were playing the Lions and we were trying to determine,

(02:51):
you know, who to attack, would we would we shy
away from Terry and Arnold? And I would say, look,
I think he plays press better then he plays in
off coverage. And the Lions. I'm sitting there as I'm
watching this, I'm like, whoa they play a lot of

(03:13):
man a man. Well, after the film study, I looked
up the Lions were in terms of cover one that
is man and man with the free safety, They're the
second most in the NFL to the Browns. He's physical
almost to the point of where you think, boy, he
gets lucky not getting called for contact beyond five yards.

(03:34):
I think he defends the go ball real well. The
concerns I have of him as a player, as I said,
off coverage, I think, what's what's a term called press
bill where you acting like you're at the lion scrimmage,
and then you turn with your ass to the sideline,
knees in and you maintain an outside leverage. And what's
called the half drop. You're not back pedaling, you're in

(03:56):
a half drop and you're trying to see the receiver
and the quarterback. I think he had too much with
He was clearly more comfortable with too much cushion. And
I think the better corners they operate from a closer
comfort level, trying to mirror and shadow those receivers, particularly

(04:16):
in the breakpoints. I think is his technique with his feet,
the invariability he'll have one step where his feet really widen,
his balances off and it slows down his acceleration right
at that break point to be able to maintain the shadow.
And so I think if I was going in against him.
The thought would be, you can complete passes against him

(04:39):
as long as you're on time, because he does have
good makeup speed, but there's that separation bubble that you know.
Let's say an in route I got to I'm throwing
to my split end, he's going down. I'm gonna keep
it real simple. He's gonna go up the field. He's
gonna break in at fifteen yards right at that spot
when he breaks in, I think Arnold is a little
slow to mirror. And and if I throw it on time,

(05:02):
right when my receiver comes out of the break, I
think I'm gonna have enough separation, So then you know.
Then after the exercise and went and looked at Pro
Football Focus. Out of one hundred and nine qualifying court
qualifying court cornerbacks guys, his his coverage grade was eighty eight.
Passer rating against was forty third, about middle of the pack.
But here's two stats that might alarm you. Yards per

(05:24):
coverage snap he was second to last out of one
hundred and nine, and then covered snaps per target. That
that that's an indicator of our quarterbacks either fearful or
eager to go after him. The top guys in the league.
You know are up over nine snaps per target. Obviously,

(05:44):
the the more snaps you have per target, uh, the
more you're feared. Uh. He at four point seven uh
snaps per target that was that was second worst so
out of one hundred and nine guys. So there's there's
some l elements of this that lead me to think, Man,
is the juice worth to squeeze on this with the distraction? Well?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Is it? Would you have done this? Well?

Speaker 4 (06:10):
You know, I think back years ago I wrote a
column for the p I during the season on a
weekly base. Then the p I went to you, and
so I did it for the Times for a few years.
So so you know, generally an eight hundred wordy column.
If I were to write a column that this is
a good move for Seattle, I could write that column.
And you guys have touched on on the reasons, and

(06:33):
you know there's the relatively low down side. You know
you can cut him. Here's a guy that has the talent.
I believe in Carl Scott by the way. Uh and
and and I should say that leading the column and
ending the column would be I trust Mike McDonald and
John Schneider. I wouldn't tried either either of those two
guys for anybody else at their position, not one other GM,

(06:54):
not one of their head coach. That's how I feel.
So so I'm I'm going to defer to them, so
I could I could write the column the column. If
I were to write that, I don't think it's worth
It would just be a little bit more compelling as
I read it back to myself and the reason it

(07:17):
would have to do with things that are much more intangible,
And it has to do with the connection that Mike
McDonald's trying to have with the players in terms of
of how they how they see with themselves and the
enterprise and who they are. H you know, he's talking
about warriors in the garden, how they're They're guys that

(07:38):
are burning competitors and and warriors ready to slash next
but they're also good citizens and and you know, it
would be along the lines, guys of this psychology, this
team's psychology. If you go back to when Billy Joe
Hobert had his scandal. At that at that juncture, the
Washington Huskies had twenty two straight wins. It breaks midweek

(08:03):
and then they from that point on, they lost three
of their next four games. Now, just statistically the aberration
of that that that a team that's good enough to
you know, a coin that has weighted so heavily that
there would be heads twenty two times the guys that
it would then be tails three out of the next four.

(08:26):
I'm not saying they became a two to fifty football team,
but the fast are for the next four games they
won at a two fifty rate. And I do I
just think that there's a distraction, a compel. Who are
we you know? There? Of course at that time there
was that. I don't want to say that this would
equate to that in magnitude. Let me say this again,
this would not equate to that in magnitude in my estimation.

(08:49):
I'm just trying to get you to connect with a
team psychology that and once you kind of grasp it,
then you say, well, could this be in play for
signing Terry and Arnold? It could be? And and I
want that risk. And you know, if I had thrown
on the tape and and and watching for several hours, dog,

(09:11):
I mean, this is like a four and a half
hour exercise. If I had come away like whoa, this
guy is just Paulish ready made like ready to go now, No,
I think he needs Carl Scott to clean up his technique.
Now he's got the he's got the talent, but I
think there's nothing's in his technique that would need to
be where he's a young man. You know, maybe it's

(09:32):
going to be a success. I could absolutely being a success.
But anyway, that's that's the line along the lines that
I'm thinking.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
From a players standpoint, Hugh, put yourself in the locker room.
Do you think this guy will be seen as a
brother in arms right away or do you think he'll
be seen as a persona non grata.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well on all of these type of questions, uh all,
I always say, even when I was on a team,
I can't speak for my teammates. I'm not in their head.
I can to my sense of what the aggregate thought is.
And that may be just semantics. It's important for me
to say it, and obviously I'm not in that locker room,
but my experience would say it would be that that

(10:13):
you know, there's generally three camps there. You know, there's
there's the kind of guy that's kind of against it
or even subconsciously like wait a minute, who are we
you know, like like, how who's not falling in love
with Leonard Williams in this? Uh? You know we're only
two weeks into Hard Knocks, right, Like, like the the
energy in that room is so great. So I think

(10:36):
that there's there's something that's like what are we doing there?
There's another group. I don't want to say a third
to third a third because that implies they're all thirty
three percent it's but the other group, and I don't
know what percentage it would be, would be relatively don't care.
And then there's there's another group that would become maybe
they know him from a past or they're like like
they literally think, hey, this is a bunch of blown

(10:58):
up stuff and they're really pro proterian Arnold. So how
that distributes? I think that you're gonna have different My
point is they have different thoughts, different factions because they're
all different, different personalities, and if he gave him a
Myers Brig personality tests, there's all kinds. But I would
say what he would need to do is just come

(11:19):
in and work his ass off, be humble, be a
great teammate, practice hard, show that that that he's committed
to the the enterprise of the selec.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, I'm sure loves it. By the way that he's there, Well,
that's an interesting I'm.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Sure he'll ask him to go to lunch the minute
he shows up to the locker room.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Man I burn and Alabama, right, you know, for share
a coffee. You know you you mentioned that. I'm I'm
glad you brought up his name because I think that
that for me, that that's a big part of the story.
I think that there was there's a feeling that he
was ready to take the next step, that maybe he
didn't have enough physicality coming out as a fourth round

(12:00):
draft pick, and that maybe he up his physicality game.
And remember now practice number one, he was starting uh
in those nickel packages, and so you had Josh Job
and you had Witherspoon inside uh and and in the
diamond then and then he was Pritchett was outside and

(12:21):
and so Mike Hunch tells me that he hasn't performed
at the level that they might have thought if he
was taking off the way some people were hoping, we
might not be having this discussion about Arnold.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Now that's a good point. Hey, let me get one more.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Dick may have one more too, But I want to
make sure we sneak this in so that Jad and
Daniels story. I don't know if you've been reading about
this or not, Hugh that he's mad that dj Pickett
is going to wear his number five. He thought it
should have been retired after he won the Heisman Trophy.
He has asked LSU to stop using his name, image

(12:56):
and likeness for promotional purposes, and Louisian Sports dot Net
is also reporting that his camp requested LSU return their
copy of the Heisman Trophy that Daniels won in twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
What do you make of this?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
A little spat between Jade and Daniels and LSU.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think it's preposterous. I think talk about a great
way to squat on your entire legacy. Evidently, the inferences
that he's been out of shape, that Joe Burrow is
going to get his number retired, or at least they
have unofficially they haven't. They haven't give out number nine,

(13:41):
and there's a big difference. And I want you to
think of this as a Husky fan. Joe Burrow went
fifteen to oh and he had sixty touchdown passes and
over fifty seven hundred yards. He had at ninety two percent.
He had the highest percent of first place high votes
in the history of the Heisman. Dave, you and I

(14:02):
have a vote, right. I know you voted for Borrow.
I don't even have to ask you. He is the
Heisman Trophy winner of Heivesman Trophy winners. They won a
national title. He threw twelve touchdown passes in his last
in the semifinal and final. Twelve freaking touchdown pass in
his last two games. So now, Jayden Daniels was brilliant.

(14:25):
He won a Heisman. He deserved to win a Heisman.
They went ten and three, Like, there's no on what
planet in what universe? Is that the same? It's not.
I ask you this. Would you rather have Steve Entman
who won a Mere Outland Trophy and was the number
one overall pick and won a national championship? Or do

(14:46):
you would rather have Washington have had a quarterback who
won the Heisman? But when it went ten and three,
and by the way, LSU has three Heisman's in there,
we have none. Washington has none, so so that might
be more alluring to us. They're not one Husky fan
would trade that give me a ten and three team
for a Heisman, give up a national championship. So so
it's it's preposterous. I can't believe that that that he

(15:11):
would analyze this, and of the hundred ways to handle it,
he picked out of out of a hundred, he picked
the hundred best way to handle it. So I don't know.
I think it's a douchey move. It's it's it's classless.
It's it is. It just speaks entirely. You could run,
you could, you could have a class with kids about

(15:36):
humility and and let accolades come to you. You don't
go seek them, so they should be bestowed upon you willingly.
And he's trying to uh mandate uh all of this
when you know, and by the way, Alabama and Notre
Dame they've got eleven Heismans between them. None of their
jerseys are retired, you know, Bryce young one won a

(15:58):
Heisman and national championship at Alabama. His jersey isn't retired,
you know. So I don't know. I don't even understand
how somebody would be on Jayden Daniel's side on this.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Hughet thought popped in my head as I was watching
Sam Darnold just rip it yesterday in practice to a
very healthy tight end core and a very healthy wide
receiver corps. Meanwhile, there was just slugs in the backfield
running the football like there was nobody out there. Is
it possible if the injuries continue and Price is not
quite ready, Is it possible we turn in in the

(16:31):
early season to a pass first. You know, Sam Donald
shoulders the load of the offense type of team for
the first bit of the season, which we have.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Never really been in the last fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well, you know, Dick, Depending on how you want to
frame it, you could say that Seattle was that last year.
Go back and look at the degree to which Donald
was as a percentage of the passing game. You know,
his his yards per attempt, the the the the yards

(17:06):
down the field. He was leading the league. Now he
ended up he ended up number one. He number one
in yards per drop back and not and number two
in yards per attempt. So so net yards per attempt
I believe it was.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
But only fifteenth in attempts they were kind of middle
of the ground and how much they actually threw the ball.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
But but through yeah, but through the first half of
the season. I think you're gonna you're gonna see that
the passing attack, uh, in the first half of the season.
That's that's worth Oh yeah, putting to numbers. So so
I I think you're gonna find the idea. We can
fill in the numbers, as you know, we can put
the placeholders in now and then fill in the numbers.

(17:46):
But but I can assert you this that the twenty
and twenty five Seattle Seahawks offensively, which by the way,
set a franchise record for points score. Yeah, uh, that
they were a pass first overwhelmingly. The ratio of passed
a run got flipped in the last five technically six

(18:07):
weeks counting the playoffs. They really were a passing team
early on, and Smith and Jigbo was on a pace
to remember, Smith and jig was on a pace for
like twenty one hundred yards and I ended up at
eighteen hundred. But they cooled down in the passing game.
So yes, yes, absolutely, And I think Eliza Royo there's

(18:28):
an opportunity there in year two. I'm very interested in
his development because I had a year ago when I
was really disappointed about about the lack of performance of
a Royo. I said, I'm gonna look up, you know,
Trey mcbriden, all these young tight ends, and you know
the half a dozen good young tight ends, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna come on the radio. I'm gonna say,

(18:50):
look at these guys, had these great rookie years. Why
are we not throwing to Royo? And then the only
guy who among that group, you know, was who was
getting the ball throwing to him with a greater regularity
was Deporta at Detroit. Everybody else had very meager rookie
years and then boom year two, they had a big vault.

(19:11):
And you're saying, well, what is that group? I don't
have it in front of me, but I had the
five or six top young tight ends, and so I
think there there really could be something there with Arroya
and the and the thing I didn't like about Arroyo,
I didn't like how his soulars would come back, which
would shorten his stride when he ran option routes. He
would almost come to a near stop. Brian Floory gets

(19:35):
all the attention because he is the offensive coordinator, but
he's also the tight end coach and I'm dying to
see if he can clean up that technique and get
him to speed cut and have larger strides and not
slow down so much at the top of his break point.
So Arroyos could be a big part of all that.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hugh good stuff. We'll talk Monday and thanks. All right,
hamping down? All right? Are you milling with us?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
We're got to break Instead of Hard Knocks, we have
soft Taps coming up. Next, We're gonna go over a
few of our favorite moments from the Hard Knocks episode.
It's a spoiler, but we've given you two days. Yeah,
come on side, now, come on, It's that's on you people, right.
This is like Colin Emerson. Hey man, don't blame me,

(20:20):
blame him. I'm blaming you guys if you haven't figured
it out yet. Next on ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
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Speaker 3 (20:43):
All Right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
We're back at Cheney Stadium at Tacoma Sofie, Dick Jackson,
we got Reno tonight, right, we got Chuck Powell Riley
pay on the call at seven pm over on nine
point fifty am.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
By the way, if you want to check that out.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sweet Willie mcgiver former Husky claimed off waivers by the
MS for Toronto. He's gonna be in the lineup tonight
for the Rainiers against Reno. All right, here's what we got.
A little hard knocks. I'm calling it soft taps, but
that just seems kind of dumb. I'm just trying to
think of a different name for our purposes, Dick, besides
hard knocks.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
So if you got something back, I.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Actually got a little and chuckle out of that when
you said that first soft taps.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But you gotta do so soft taps, soft taps. It's
not hard knocks, it's soft taps. I think the show
has been great. You think the show has been great?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Right so far?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
How about Mitch Johnson, former Odey star, son of JJ,
head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, meeting with Mike
McDonald in his office.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
How about this clip? Check it out.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
Today camp has a special visitor, Seattle native and head
coach of the San Antonio Spurs, Mitch Johnson.

Speaker 9 (21:51):
The identity stuff, what about from last just from going
into this heavy change, butch or is it now kind
of like it's set in place now?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Just grow ability day.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
We tried to like stress the model a little bit
in the off season. But the challenge I had was
how do you how do you get delivered the same
message to the majority of the guys because you're also
trying to make them everything that we're all new, and
then they also like trying to get him to understand

(22:21):
that we like this is who we are and so
it's really important they protected so they hear it, you know.
And then the next one is our style of play
just as a good time for because they're kind of
in the meata camp.

Speaker 11 (22:34):
But like and those are do you call those culture days?

Speaker 10 (22:38):
I think of it in terms of, like we're in
the install phase of training camp, so they we're installing
our systems. I'm installing our culture.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I like that.

Speaker 10 (22:47):
How was womy when you guys drest them?

Speaker 11 (22:50):
It was nineteen ning drafting when did everybody know that
like he existed and it was a good player. Our
ceo actually saw him was in Jim just happened to
be in the gym. I actually wasn't planning to see him.
He's sixteen or it was just about to turn sixteen.
Came back after you, sure, so I think I saw
the greatest player of every seat in my life and

(23:11):
literally twelve months later put in the motion to turn
the team over and have the chance to draft him
in a couple of years.

Speaker 9 (23:16):
So oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I mean, I just the fact that these are two
young guys, Dick, yeah, right at the almost the top
of their profession. Mike's there, Mitch is almost there, and
they're talking about ideas and exchanging ideas.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Man I I just love it.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I love the fact that we got a guy in
Mike McDonald that Mitch Johnson wants to seek out to
pick his brain, to ask him how he does things
only two years into his coaching career.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I can't unsee though, Mitch Johnson is a sophomore in
high school leading rights in the state right like I'm
sitting there, like it seems like last Tuesday that I'm
sitting there calling the game with at year old Mitch
Johnson with a basketball in his hands in the front
row scowling.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
He just looks like a more mature version of that guy.
It's unbelievable, man. Yeah, and you know what I mean. Look, man,
I just think for for a guy like Mike, you know,
he's still probably developing a lot of his theories on stuff.
But if this is the starting point for him, good god,
where's this dude going to be in ten years from now?

Speaker 6 (24:26):
He said he the best coach.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
He wouldn't trade that coach or that GM on the
same team for anybody.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Well, the only coach that I would probably trade him for,
I think is McVeigh and that's its defense.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
That's the time. He's the McVeigh of the defense.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I I would not want him for McVeigh because I
would always take the defensive minded guy over the offensive
minded guy.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Frisman Jackson is the wide receivers coach, and there's a
clip in the last Hard Knocks with him and j
SN arguing about offensive terminology.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Anything else need for me? Yeah, can't you practice? I
say right?

Speaker 7 (25:04):
No? You take you?

Speaker 9 (25:05):
Yeah, you off.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
I'm smart enough to if you if I know, then
I know you're smart enough to get coached and just
the right then no, I'm just saying, like you said,
I'm up.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
That's what you said.

Speaker 13 (25:19):
Yeah, it's not like last year it was eight nine,
four or five.

Speaker 12 (25:23):
Like I mean, that's all I did.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
Okay, And I'm telling you, like you gotta you gotta
spend a little more time on it. Ain't.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
It ain't just gonna be for we got all these changes.
I'm willing to work with you.

Speaker 12 (25:34):
I'm structure. I'm thinking I've been doing that all my life.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
All right, I'm telling you it's box rules too high.
Go get saved, push crack to that tape, not go
just go get him because I dont want to track
exactly what I did.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeh, track to the safe? Yeah, so why why else?

Speaker 12 (25:48):
Why is this right here?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
But racing?

Speaker 9 (25:50):
And go put it somewhere else?

Speaker 12 (25:51):
Then kint the green markers what it's such structure? But
now I gotta be racing in my head that I've
been doing it for three years and I did it right.
That's the thing. Like I did like I did, Like,
how are you gonna say something to me?

Speaker 8 (26:03):
When I did it right?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I wasn't critiqued.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
I didn't say you did it wrong. All that all
I was.

Speaker 9 (26:09):
Doing was going to be a reminder. Hey, if that's saved,
d stay on the corner. All you could do was like,
all right, got you and that would have been the
end of But no, you're on a rage bait today.
You're gonna rage baby.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I call it good fanter.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
Nobody don't want love bamter more than me.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I know, Like, how.

Speaker 13 (26:27):
Does that not going a banter?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Well?

Speaker 14 (26:28):
I wasn't in the move.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I've been in the movie exactly.

Speaker 9 (26:31):
Okay, I've been move and so you rage babing was
getting me hot on the field, and then it was
getting me right then and there see you know what's
gonna happen. They probably recording this. And then I was
just on record saying, hey, man, Jack's man, great dude,
man like I can me and him never had nor
That's what I said. I was like, me and him

(26:52):
never had. I know we do, but I was just
telling them we don't.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
What'd you make of that?

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I was a little it was slightly concerning when I
saw it, not overly concerning, but slightly twofold one. JSN
just came off one of the great wide receiver seasons
of the last decade in the NFL, and he won
Offensive Player of the year, and they're really changing up
and making and making him think more because obviously this offense,

(27:24):
I mean, you're here right there, this offense is more
complex with the routes than it was last year.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
And then so that worried me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
And then secondly, I'm wondering, Okay, if they're getting this
heated which wasn't really heated but was.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Kind of heat.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
If they're getting this heated with the hard knocks cameras
on how heated would they have been if the hard
knocks cameras were not on them?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Wow? Maybe even more? And that's fine.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I mean, guys are gonna scream and yell at each other,
they're gonna argue, and it's gonna be just fine when
it's all said, and yeah, problems is I don't know, man,
I mean, I just this is football. This is how
coaches and players sometimes op bread. They get into fight,
they scream at each other, they call each other terrible names,
and then they hug it out.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's the difference.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
That's the violent nature of football versus basketball, versus baseball,
versus golf versus tennis. Like can you imagine if Joelicava
and Freddie couples right are walking down the fairway and
Freddie is calling him an sob, screaming at him, putting
him in a head lock.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
He's got him on.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
The floor on the fairway. That's not how that works, man.
It's just so different in the NFL. And I think
when you're with a guy almost every single minute of
every single day, eventually this stuff's gonna come out right
and you're gonna get like brothers, you're gonna fight. So
I think you're getting a real look, Dick inside the
culture of the NFL and how actually how tight this
locker room is that they can have moments like that

(28:45):
and still be okay.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
No, And that's why the concern level was slight because
it's the Seattle Seahawks. If I saw that same thing
and it was the Vegas Raiders of the Arizona Cardinals,
I'd be like, oh boy, this team's in trouble.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
But that's just because the culture of the team.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, what do you say? We got a break? We
got a few more clips, right, Jackson.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Then we put together we're going to talk about next
On ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
Right, we're back on a busy Friday night right here
on ninety three three KJRFM from Cheney Stadium in Tacoma.
We're going over a few of our favorite CP clips
from the last Hard Knocks episode. And I'll tell you what, man,
this is one clip that I've been wanting to play
now for a while. I'm glad Jackson included this one.
How about Mike McDonald Dick getting pissed off at Derek

(29:47):
Hall remember this for bull rushing during practice and coming
close to getting this quarterback hurt.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Check this out, Derek hereth heret heret what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
What are you doing?

Speaker 14 (29:59):
Why are you rushing right now near the quarterback?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I'm not I can't see.

Speaker 14 (30:03):
You can't be trying to hump right now. This isn't
the time for the quarterback? Is he almost decleted a
guy into the quarterbacks needs. Come on, man, you're smarter
than that.

Speaker 10 (30:12):
What makes her so special is how he plays the game.
He's a finalent aggressive. You know, we talk about chasing
as he lives right on the edge and sometimes he's
one of our habitual going over the edge players.

Speaker 15 (30:23):
Guys, Still not time for all the power moves. Okay,
it's not time, is there not? We're going against our
own team. Okay, Derek, get him out, get him out,
Get him out.

Speaker 14 (30:39):
You want me to go get him out?

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Damn?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 14 (30:44):
What you can play all you want.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
You can play all you want.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
You're too close.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
That's twice.

Speaker 14 (30:51):
He's not smart. She can pitch all you want, but
it turns on the practice. Stay away from the quarterback.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
There's going to be Tom's in game in life where
there's going to be something that you don't agree with.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
So how you respond and react to that, I think
is huge.

Speaker 15 (31:05):
And I think the biggest piece for me is try
to see where I went wrong.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
I'm not mad the d Hall thing.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Just like it's hard, I've had love.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Though it's hard. You shut the key managing because it's
what makes him special.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Oh my guy, Why we love you is also because.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I gotta tell you what, man, this is not a
time for humping, Dick.

Speaker 14 (31:27):
You can't be trying to hump right now.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's just not the time to hunt.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Oh got you another drop, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Doesn't it?

Speaker 14 (31:35):
You can't be trying to hump right now. This isn't
the time.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
For it, doesn't it?

Speaker 13 (31:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Kind of remind you of the guy in practice who
they just cannot control, and by the time the regular
season starts, he is just gonna be like a starved
animal going after a t bone steak. I mean, after
all this stuff with Derek Cale, I understand that we
can't get the quarterback hurt, and they when they play
it in slow motion, it did show you how close
he came to hitting Darnold, which would be ridiculous if

(32:00):
he got the quarterback hurt. But if they can just
keep this guy off the quarterback, man, dude, it looks
like Derek Call is about to become a maniac once
the season start.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
I mean, is would anybody be surprised if Derek Hall
was called an elite pass rusher at the end of
the season.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
No, But and you know what else would not surprise
me if Derek Hall let the league in faalse starts
like Michael Bennett.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
Yeah, he loves to get off, there's no question about that.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Cannot control himself.

Speaker 14 (32:25):
Man, can't be trying to hump right now.

Speaker 16 (32:28):
So, Sophie, have you have you opened your other present yet?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I've got it right here at three to two and one. Hey,
you can play all you want.

Speaker 14 (32:34):
You can play all you want.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
We heard that he was a red ass, that we
finally got to see it.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
That's been my favorite part.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
I mean, honestly, I think the show itself has been
kind of boring. The best part of it has been
what I've seen from my head coach.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Absolutely of what I've seen from.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
My head coach, because I thought I kind of thought
that my McDonald was just kind of a goofy, quirky,
defensive brainiac.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
Yeah, and he's actually.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Like got some chops, He's got some head coaching hutzpah.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Is that you know what it's like?

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You ever see the movie Once upon a Time in
Hollywood Jackson Quentin Tarantino, You ever see that film?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Kind of boring, kind of boring, kind of boring and
then bang, whoa.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I thought it was boring up until the last part. Yeah,
I thought it was kind of boring. Yeah, I'll give
you another Analogy Silo season that just started up. First
couple episodes and yeah, back right. I mean, it's just like,
I'm totally with you. I thought I thought episode two
of Hard Knocks was kind of and then the Mike

(33:41):
McDonald's stuff just.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Made it all worthwhile, man, and then Arnold worthwhile.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
That was the cool thing about how it ended. Just
like the fade to black.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I thought that was awesome.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
You got tarryan Ardold, Mike McDonald droopling over Terry and Arnold,
and then just fades the black.

Speaker 14 (33:56):
I was like, you can't be trying to hump right now.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
This isn't the time for how about we go to
number six.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, this wasn't really necessarily one of my favorite clips
of the show, but we'll play it anyway. Marshawn Lynch
playing the player evaluator for Madden visiting camp. He actually
showed up. I think it was it Lumen right. He
was at lumen Field, I think too, chatting with Michael Dixon.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Check it out.

Speaker 8 (34:20):
Legendary Seahawk Marshawn Lynch is here to make sure the
video game Madden NFL twenty seven has the player ratings right.

Speaker 13 (34:28):
They got ratings for everybody.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Oh yeah, that's the highest.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Punny.

Speaker 13 (34:34):
The thing I can get that taken care of. You
get me at a ninety, get you at a ninety.
Let me make a note right quick, appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Give my Madden rating up, Brough.

Speaker 13 (34:46):
All you gotta do is get the ball in the
net and I'm gonna get your ass to a ninety.
His that symbol.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Just that's it.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Best punter in Madden.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (34:56):
This gotta be at least a ninety off rip here
we go, I'm talking about and then we can then
we can start talking the others. But we ain't finna
talk nothing until we get that and taking care of
r Why y'all keep on getting all these white d
be What y'all gonna do with them?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Now?

Speaker 13 (35:11):
How many of y'all?

Speaker 9 (35:11):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (35:12):
White d be? More and more?

Speaker 6 (35:15):
What the going on? What the going on?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
White people ain't known?

Speaker 13 (35:20):
So they dancing and you got to be you.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Feel like.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
The the part where he tells Michael Dixon, all you
gotta do is put that ball in the net and
I'll make you a ninety.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Right, yep, remember that, yep, just drop it in there.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's it reminds me of remember the old Celebrity Jeopardy
uh skit on SNL best when Will Ferrell's playing Alex
Trebek and he's getting all pissed off.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Just write a number and you win and you wrote three.
Ve are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
All you gotta do is just put the ball in
the net and you'll be a ninety. Boom, You're a ninety.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's it. That's all.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Was he making fun of Tyle Cotta for being a
white He.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Was only Marshaw Lynch can do that.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
By the way, Michael Dixon number he is number one,
uh punter and madten right now than eighty five.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Don't you think marshn Lynch can really just say whatever
the hell he wants? He is like anything, anything, the
most offensive stuff in the world coming out of Marshawn
Lynch's mouth. I think about the most offensive thing, No,
think about the most offensive thing that Marshn Lynch could
say to your kid. Yeah, and if I say it,

(36:32):
You're gonna kill me. Marshn Lynch says it.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And then laugh your balls off. It's good to be Marshawn.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Dixon's favorite part of the show. I think he was
pretty bored, to be honest with you, of the show.
He liked the Marshawn min and a half though.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
How many kids?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
How many kids started grabbing their packages across the goal
line because of Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Five year old.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Kid grabbing his jibilies because Marshawn does it. Man, all right,
let's get to uh you want to go to three
Jackson three or five three?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
The Warrior in the Garden.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
At first, I didn't really get it, but here's Mike
McDonald's Warrior in the Garden speech with Leonard Williams.

Speaker 15 (37:11):
I'm thinking about who we are, how we roll, and
I had this idea of warriors in the garden. Okay,
these are dangerous type people, okay, that are poised, trained
like lethal, but that choose not to do it. They
have the capability of doing that at any point. Okay,
they could do it all the time if they wanted to. Okay,

(37:33):
that's us, that's you, guys. That's how you guys operate.
At a drop of the hat, we can go out
there and play ball, and we'll freaking go play seag
football and whip ass. Okay, but we're also trying to
be great guys. We're also trying to be great teammates.
We're trying to be great dads. Okay, we're trying to
be great husbands. Dichotomy. There's like a push pull guys
with me on that Warriors in the Garden.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
The Warrior in the Garden. Leonard Williams takes it literally.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
Oh, this is a variegated congo philodendron, and that variegation
that makes these leafs red is the same varrogation that
actually makes the roots and the stems also red. And
I didn't even notice it. But there's a new leaf
come in, So it's gonna be happy with this repot.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
Who knew that Leonard Williams was Cisco.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Morris, who knew.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
It was the at human He had humans the times.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Was he before?

Speaker 16 (38:29):
Cisco's time was like the eighties?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
So the whole the whole garden thing is just to
show like the softer side of the warrior.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yes, the mortal side of the warriors?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is that right? The leadership side? Okay, I mean, what
do you guys think of that?

Speaker 5 (38:47):
I think it's perfect because I think you can be
a good person and a warrior at the same time.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Wait, but can you think of a different example, besides
a garden. Yeah, is there anything else you can do?

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Probably I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, that was kind of weird. That's kind of weird,
but it does. It does.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
It is typical that he would think of that. By
the way, I had this idea of a warrior, like
we're in the garden.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
See, that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
It's so perfectly John just talking about that over a picture.

Speaker 16 (39:13):
You think, maybe you can just see Mike McDonald sitting
around his house just thinking about these various things and
just writing down all these notes. Yes, and all right,
which one is Are they going to actually think, I'm
like the cool guy if I if I roll this
out And that was the coolest of all the idea.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
You know what The cool thing about it is Jackson
is that he's the super Bowl champion, so he can
do anything he wants.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
The one of the producers of Hard Knocks is going
to join us on Monday show. By the way, I
want to know how much editorial control they have over
this thing, like do they get to pick and choose?
And were there things the Seahawks have said, Nope, we're
not putting that on TV. Do not put that out there.
We're gonna e stay that right now or does HBO
have total control over everything that goes over the year.

(39:58):
So we'll find out.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
What that's like.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
A challenge flag, like the Seahawks only get to you
get a couple of yees bags an episode. It's like,
all right, if you're gonna use your challenge flag, you
better use it for something good.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Hey, that that scene of me picking my boogers and
eating them, take that out.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
We're not going to use that one.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
That's one challenge.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, but they did not throw the challenge on this one.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
Trying to hump right now. This isn't the time for you.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
We're gonna break Chris Daniels. What's going on with expansion,
the NBA, Vegas, the Lakers, the.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Sonics, Portland.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
There's some movement guys and things that we might want
to hear about coming up next. All right, well, listen
joining us right now on the air. There's a lot
of news, a lot of happenings behind the scenes. Wheels
are turning in the National Basketball Association with Portland, with
the LA Lakers, what's going on with Las Vegas. And

(40:46):
we thought we'd get the one guy on the air
that knows this more than anybody Christ Daniels. First of all, Chris,
thanks for doing this. And then second of all, man,
just take it. Set the scene. What is going on
right now in regards to expansion other aspects that Sonic
fans should be interested in.

Speaker 17 (41:02):
Well, there's a lot of moving parts, a lot of
bouncing balls that are really bouncing from not only Seattle
to Vegas, to Los Angeles and Portland, and it's all
seemingly interconnected. So to back up the news this week
that everybody in sports business says caught them off guard.

(41:23):
They came out of nowhere. Was Bob Iiger and Joshua
Kushner agreeing to a deal to purchase the La Lakers
for twelve point five billion dollars, two and a half
billion dollars more than they were purchased by mister Walter
just two years ago Mark Walter. So a deal that

(41:43):
apparently Bob Iger says, came together in seventy two hours.
Why that matters. You look now to Las Vegas and
Iiger and Kushner were involved in putting together a bid
there for an expansion franchise. They now have taken themselves
out of the running, said they were interested, they pivoted
when this La Lakers situation came to be. So there's

(42:06):
one less bidder in Las Vegas, and the question is,
with so many groups that have stepped forward, are they
going to bid up the price for Las Vegas. Kurt Bodenhausen,
who writes for Sportico I, had him on as part
of that story. He says that he believes Nancy Walton
Laurie and Bill Lourie, husband and wife that live in Henderson, Nevada.

(42:29):
Walmart Airs owned the Saint Louis Blues made bids on
NBA teams before. He believes they are the front runner
down there. But because of all of that interest and
what just happened with the Lakers, the ESPN is suggesting
through their own reporting that the NBA is focused first

(42:49):
on Las Vegas and setting the price there for a
franchise before awarding any sort of franchise to Seattle. So
that's how that all gets interconnected. And then when you
think about what's going on down in Portland this week,
again more news along the lines that people it's tangentially
connected to expansion. Is what's going on with the Blazers

(43:11):
and Portland Moldoma County the state of Oregon. They've all
approved a deal down there for a term sheet, a
non binding term sheet of more than a half a
billion dollars to renovate the Modus Center, asking for money
as well from the Blazers, And that's going to be
the big question is if they agree to any sort
of contribution. But that moves that story forward ever so slightly,

(43:35):
and that is also in the background for the NBA
before they make any sort of business decision on Seattle
and on Las Vegas.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
How much should a sale price of the Los Angeles
Lakers and that particular franchise impact an expansion franchise because
most of the franchises in basketball are valued somewhere in
the five to six billion dollar range. Obviously, the Lakers,
the Knicks, the Celtics, they're a different breed of cat.
So should it bump up the franchise valuation that much

(44:06):
because it was the Lakers that were sold.

Speaker 17 (44:09):
Yeah, it's a great question, and I think those thirty
owners are the ones who can answer that. Obviously, they
see a number like that and they immediately think, well,
what does that mean for my franchise? But to your point, Dick,
I think that that's rarefied air, just like there's rarefied
air in soccer and rarefied air in football. When you
start talking about teams like the Cowboys and the Seahawks,

(44:30):
they're just breaking the record themselves for the sale. But
there is a question on if that truly does impact
an expansion fee. Given all the brand entity that comes
with the Lakers franchise and the situation around that, it
sounds like Mark Walter may have some legal issues and

(44:50):
that's why he had to spin off the franchise in
a short amount of time and didn't put it out
to auction, which is what caught NBA owners off guard
as well. So I think that is a question that's open,
it's open to debate. Kurt Bodenhausen, again who I talked
with yesterday, does not think it impacts the timeline for expansion,
doesn't think it necessarily impacts the price. But for those

(45:13):
bidders like Iiger and Kushner who were in Las Vegas,
you know, what does that do to the competition for
the bidding there and how will that be reflected for
any group in Seattle that wants to also write a check.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Well, Chris Daniels with US como and I guess just
following up on your opening statement there, Chris, which was
very eloquent, by the way, well done. Iiger and Kushner
kind of pivoting from Vegas to La Why, I mean,
is the NBA asking too much an expansion and did
they did they just feel like, hey, if we're paying that,
we may as well buy an existing team and oh,

(45:47):
look here the Lakers are available. So why did they
originally you think, pivot from out of the Vegas sweepstakes
to the Lakers? Is this a sign that maybe somebody
else is getting the Vegas expansion team and they already
have their their bidder.

Speaker 17 (46:05):
Yeah, great question, Softy. I think we can read into
it a couple of ways, and one is that perhaps
they weren't going to win that bid. It's my impression
that these bids are being finalized and submitted at this
point uh to the NBA, and they're they're deep down
the the court to use the metaphor uh in in
figuring out who's going to be the potential winning bid

(46:28):
in either city. So perhaps Iiger and Kushner knew that
they were out of the running. There also saw the
opportunity Iigers in Los Angeles. Kushner is in and out
of Los Angeles, already has his stakes and a couple
of other NBA franchises. Uh knows how it works, but
perhaps they they felt they were out of the running

(46:48):
there or the price got too high for an expansion franchise,
and and here was an opportunity to get an existing
one at a record price. As it is, and we're
talking about evaluation. They're not, they're not writing that tire check.
Jennie Butt still around, but it's still just a crazy,
crazy number. And I think you know again, Bodenhausen says

(47:10):
that he believes that this means that the Walton Lori
family will be the front runner going in there with
the ability to write a check even their net worth
for a new franchise in Vegas.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Well, the one quote that kind of set me back
a little bit from Bodenhausen was he said, quote, if
they took a vote today, it wouldn't pass. So why
is that and how concerns should Sonic fans be about
that quote?

Speaker 17 (47:38):
Yeah, I mean the ESPN's reporting on that was that
they there was a vote today. They were citing the
same source suggesting that the NBA's focus on locking down
the price in Vegas before locking down any sort of
price in Seattle, and also saying that same source said
if there was a vote today, they wouldn't go forward.

(47:59):
It's all about the price. I think that would that
one voice, unnamed voice from ESPN, would I think cause
some concern if you are in Seattle and you've been
following this for twenty years and have been waiting for
an end to the story. Yes, I think that the
league still and Adam Silver this entire time, has had

(48:21):
that outclause, that outdoor in case there was a variable,
whether it's the global economy falling apart or say the
Lakers going for twelve and a half billion dollars in
the owners suggesting maybe we don't move forward right away.
I think one way or the other, we're going to
get an answer. We're going to get a final answer
on this. After so many years, the NBA is either

(48:42):
going to put up or shut up. I don't think
there's any third option here. They do need to answer
this question. And Baudenhausen even said it would be a
public relations nightmare if the NBA decided to not expand
or only expand to Vegas and not to Seattle. He
still thinks, even with all of this news this week,

(49:04):
that the NBA will move forward.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
All right.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Well, Christ Daniels with us Como TV, how about this
for this story that came out from Black Sun Private Equity,
Native World Sports, group of people trying to put a
bit together to get the Sonics back. And the first
thing I thought of when I saw this story as well,
it's this is Fred Brown and the Armadillo just all
over again, you know, coming again, coming in.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
At the last second time to get something done.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I mean that was maybe a little more of a
distraction because there was still political involvement, you know, for
the arena.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
The arena's done.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm not sure how much political involvement there will be
when it comes to bidding for an actual team. But
is this is this a positive, a negative or a
big nothing burger you think for the for the NBA
and for the odds of the Sonics returning.

Speaker 17 (49:52):
Well, for your listeners, I mean, we just got to
tell everybody the Emerald City Center that was Fred Brown's baby.
April first of two thousand an eight.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
He announced that.

Speaker 17 (50:01):
All days I remember that, without remember that, without any
sort of money or any sort of land acquired by
the way, And yes, I had similar thoughts with this
press release, a very odd rollout. Black Sun Private Equity,
Native World Sports just sent it out on the press wire.

(50:22):
It's a distribution list that goes out to every news
outlet across the country, and it immediately got repopulated and
regenerated through the internet without very with very little information
about who the people are, who the investors may be,
whether there's any sort of land involved. I did make
a call yesterday and it's in the story. I was
told that they're focused on land twenty miles outside Seattle

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and that they expect to be making some more announcements
next week. And they decided that was the way to
get out their information this week was to put out
that press release. But there's nothing known about who may
be any sort of investors in this entity, who's putting
money into it, if they have the land acquired, if
they have the money locked up. At this point, we

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only know of one group, and that's Samantha Holloway as
the lead owner of One Roof Sports and Entertainment of
Climate Pledge Arena of the Seattle Kraken. Only one who's
come forward and said they want to be a part
of any NBA expansion bid. This group, we just don't
know enough about them yet to consider them a real
group pursuing expansion in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Remind us of the timing when the next Board of
Governors meeting is when you think the votes, or at
least when they will announce whether there will be a vote,
and then when you think the vote would take place.

Speaker 17 (51:44):
Well, the NBA Board of Governors slated to meet in September,
and that's always their pre NBA season meeting. There is
a chance I think that the league could come and say, Okay,
we're going to have a final vote in December. Reason
why I say that is because Adam Silver has said
we're going to make a decision by the end of
the year. And the last time the NBA expanded was

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in December of two for an O four season start,
and that was the Charlotte franchise, So that has happened before.
That timetable lines up with what Silver has said, So
I think there's there's there's the potential at the next
Board of Governors meeting, they know who their bidders are
and they're they're going to set a meeting to take
a final vote on whether to move forward one way

(52:27):
or the other. I think Adam Silver, after years of
teasing Seattle, now uh, it has to make a final decision.
They have to make a final decision by the end
of this calendar year, or the money goes away, the
investors go away and go and do something else.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Well, let's just wrap it up there, Chris, Chris Daniels
with US came with TV. You said a few minutes ago,
it's kind of time for the NBA to put up
for shut up, And I agree with that. You know,
one way or the other. They got to make a
decision by the end of the year. I mean if
they if they say no for now, I mean, is
that like, is that it for a while? Well you
think I mean, is.

Speaker 17 (53:01):
That I think it's done? It would be tough. You know,
Silver danced down this road two years ago, and you
know this with the Exhibition Games, the Climate Pledgerina, there
was a lot of build up to a potential expansion
announcement in twenty twenty four, and he had set all
the very similar things in the build up to that,

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and then they pulled back. And when you're talking about
this amount of money and the investors that need to
be lined up to put together the package and submit
the package. You can't just all of a sudden back
away and then ask somebody to come back in another
couple of years. Because they turned their attention to things
like the Seahawks and buying in you know, a nine
point six billion dollar deal with the Seahawks that also

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was happening. At the same time, there were investors who,
it's my understanding, were on the fence, do I invest
in the Seahawks? Do I invest in the NBA. You
can't come back in another couple of years and expect
the same people to want to invest this amount of money.
That's why I think Silver has signaled externally and internally
we're going to make a decision because he knows that
these are complex deals to put together and it takes

(54:04):
time for people to put their money together, and that's
why they have to make a decision this year.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Gotcha, Chris Daniels, great stuff. Really just phenomenal job. Give
yourself a pat on the back and a raise from
somebody I don't know who, but you deserve it. You're
the best and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 17 (54:19):
Thanks man, all Right, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
All right, you bet Chris Daniels with us on the air.
I don't know you feel better worse the same real quick.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
No, I don't think you can feel better about Jesus
what he brought. But the bottom line is, I still
think it's going to happen. But if you wanted to
move me percentage wise as I would move down. But
you know, I've been exceedingly optimistic about this whole thing
the whole time.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Well, I'm looking at the NBA has not expanded dick
since two thousand and four. That's a twenty two year
gap right between the last time the league expanded and today.
You go back twenty two years before two thousand and four, and.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
They added six teams in that.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Previous twenty two year gap, So they are way overdue.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Well, and also let's think about the way overdue. Let's
think about.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
The worldwide talent in basketball between the last time they
expanded it.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
In that time, it expanded huge.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
The thousands more elite basketball players now than there was
twenty five years ago because they're playing it in so
many countries, and those players are now accessible to the
NBA where they weren't thirty.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Years Ago, well, his point about his take, if they
don't say yes now, then they're going to be done
for maybe a long damn time. So this feels like
this is it, man, It really does, man,