August 31, 2026 • 39 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain discuss the Apple Cup coming up this Sunday afternoon and UW getting the full spotlight, the Mariners getting absolutely beat down by Toronto over the weekend, the potential firings of Dan Wilson and Jerry Dipoto if the team misses the playoffs this year, then they react to some Fun with Audio sound.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jed Fish mentioned this today at his press conference, and
we've talked about this before many times, that the idea
that you're watching football on Sunday, it literally is the
only live football game, tackle football game, happening on television
in the world on Sunday at 1 o'clock. There's no NFL.
There's no NFL preseason. There's no European football. There's no UFL.
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There's no college football. There's no Big Sky. There's no FCS,
no FPS.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
There's nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Not playing high school on Sunday either?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It is literally the only football game on television on
Sunday at 1 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You're sitting there in Anchorage, Alaska. You're sitting there in Minsk.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're sitting there in South Africa, Australia, South America, wherever, Argentina, Tijuana, Mexico,
and you want to watch a football game?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You got one choice. And that's the Apple Cup. You
know what, Dick?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This might be the first time that that's ever happened
to UW, but it might be the last time it
ever happens to UW.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Well, it's certainly the last time we've had a standalone
game in college football since the national championship.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There's no question about that there. And they're going to get.
five-plus million fans watching that game. If not more. If
not more.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I love Jed's quote.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We just went to his press conference. He said, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Everybody that turns on a TV on Sunday in September
is looking for football.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And this weekend, it's surprise, it's us. It's college.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, no, it's amazing, man. So I'm looking forward to
it on Sunday. Pre-game at 9, kickoff at 105 with
Elyse and Cam, obviously, on the call. Look, it's here.
I know a lot of Cougar fans aren't thrilled about it.
They're not fired up for the game. I know you
can just tell it in Ian's voice, right, talking to
him during crosstalk and talking to him during the week
that he kind of wants nothing to do with this. Jackson, Dick,
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and I were talking off the air about this, and
I think for the old guard, and when I mean
the old guard, I mean guys like Ian and me
that are in our 50s and 60s and 70s, whatever,
that you grow up and you're just kind of used
to a certain way of life. And then things change,
and they change dramatically. And you don't like it because
I've got a buddy of mine who's a big Coug fan.
He says, you know what, every year we could dream
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about going to a Rose Bowl. We finally made it
in 97, went to another one, what, 2001, whatever year.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It was, I think, with Mike Price.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, the Oklahoma game.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, Jason Gesser, guys like that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it didn't happen a lot for Washington State fans,
but every year we could at least potentially dream about
going to a Rose Bowl. And now those days are,
for the most part, pretty much over. and a lot
of them want nothing to do with it. So, I mean,
what we're going to see on Sunday, guys, my point
is this. We may not see a lot of these
very often. They're scheduled to come back here in two
years from now, right, Dick, in 2028, with a game
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being played in Pullman in 2027. So if you're a
fan of nostalgia, if you're a fan of this game
and you like the two sides of the state, getting
together what we see on sunday there may not be
too many of these left.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I think there has to be a way to get
it done and you're going to have two non-conference games
you're going to be able to play i think there
will be an sec big 10 crossover game in the
very near future probably in the next three or four
years and that leaves you two games i think one
of them has to be washington state and and the
other one can be whoever you want it to be
you know the little little sisters of the poor if
you want to you want to get a 70 to
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nothing win but Because you're exactly right when you say
it's our age people and older that are going to
be ticked off. The teens, the 20-somethings, even the young
30-somethings have seen what the Apple Cup has become, and
that is a one-sided... I told you, my son's seen...
My son's seen three Cougar wins. He's a junior in
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high school, and those three Cougar wins all came in
either weird circumstances, like overtime fumbles and missed field goals,
or it came on a goal-line play when Jed Fish
had no roster coming off the stripping down of Kalen DeBoer.
So those people are already used to the one-sided nature
of it, but that doesn't mean the game should not
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continue to be played, and this 100-year history of this
game should continue another 100 years.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, I hope it does continue. Continue?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I can't say that I would say the same thing
if I was on the other side. I totally get it,
completely understand it from their perspective. So we'll see. We'll
see if they can stomach it. We'll see if they
can not stomach it financially, by the way. That's another
part of this whole thing. So obviously we'll be talking
a lot about this. Hugh will join us today at 5.
Bill Kruger at 4. We'll get Fuse thoughts on the
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Apple Cup on Sunday as well. But before they get
going in Boston, man, the Mariner Believe bus is running
on fumes, boys. The axle is scraping the freeway. There's
sparks flying everywhere. Tires are all balled about to blow.
People are jumping ship right and left. What a disaster
in Toronto over the weekend. And, guys, here's the thing.
Do I have confidence that the Mariners are going to
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make the playoffs tonight?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, I don't. Do I think it's over? No, I don't.
Do I think they're on life support? Yes, I do.
I'm just going to go back to what I said
a week ago, guys, all right? I'm just going to
say this.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
If they can just survive this Red Sox series and
get to Thursday and be three, four, five games out
right in that little kind of neck of the woods
in the AL West when the schedule starts to change
a little bit for them, I'm going to think that
they've got a sliver of a chance, right? But my
problem is I'm just an idiot fan. I don't honestly
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know if the players think they have a chance because
the way they're playing right now, guys, the way they're behaving,
the way they're acting right now makes it look like
they don't think they have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
They look like a team that's ready to be done.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They look like a ball club Dick and Jackson that
can't wait for October to so they can go home
to their families, go on vacation, jump on a cruise,
or go fishing. Do anything else besides playing baseball. This
nonsense with Bazzardo over the weekend that you saw at
home plate, by the way, staring off into space like
he had no idea how to even play the game.
The postgame from Dan Wilson finally saying we're running out
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of time. Finally, there's a little bit of a sense
of urgency, and that's not even much, by the way,
what he said after the game. You got a guy
in Max Scherzer who came into the game with a
negative war and a plus seven ERA. This is a
guy that should be playing bingo with my mom at
her assisted living home, not pitching in baseball. He's a
senior frickin citizen. And he made these guys look like
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idiots yesterday in that game. So, look, I mean, I
know people that work there don't get, you know, they're
not thrilled with this kind of talk, and they're not
thrilled with those kind of accusations, but I would just
ask everybody over there, what do you expect us to say? Like,
what do you expect us to think? Go on the
air and say, God, did you see the fight, Nick,
these guys showed.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Over the weekend? Did you see the spark? No, you didn't.
You know why? Because there was no fight. There was
no spark.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And the perception that I'm getting, the affect, if you will,
that's a word that Mike Holmgren likes to use a lot,
is that they just don't care, that they're just done.
They're just mailing this entire thing in. Dan Wilson looks
like he's got no answers whatsoever. Jackson, I made the
analogy of the year today. The first Pirates of the Caribbean,
the English lieutenant or captain or whatever, when he's getting
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blown to bits by Jack Sparrow, and he's just standing there.
Because he's got no idea what to say, no idea
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Everyone's asking him, what should we do? And he's got
no clue. He walks down the stairs, dies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
He can't even form a sentence. I mean, that's what
Dan Wilson looks like. And God darn it, guys, I
wish I could say something different about Dan Wilson because
we love the guy. He's one of the great Mariners
of all time. But this isn't working. This is so
obvious it's not working. I mean, my God.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So you're ready to call it for Dan Wilson?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Unless things change dramatically, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Even if things change dramatically.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
If they win the World Series, bring them back. How's
that sound? They make the World Series, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just think either A, he's got to change, Dick,
or B, something else has to change. This approach that
they're taking now can't continue.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It just can't. I mean, it's just, it is a leaderless,
rudderless boat game. Over there. And it cannot continue.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Guys, this is the same stuff we've been saying now
on the air for the last couple of months. That
there's no admonishment. There's no criticisms. There's no responsibility. I
don't think guys are fearful for anything. What Bazzardo did
in that game over the weekend, what Julio Rodriguez has
done a couple times, what Randy Orozarena has been doing
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the entire year, base running mistakes by people constantly, series
after series, and none of it seems to come along
with any backlash at all.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
None. Not even privately.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like, we haven't heard from anybody that Dan Wilson's getting
on their case about any of this stuff. And we
talked about this last week, right, Nick, the Pat Murphy-Cooper-Pratt thing?
If Pat Murphy was managing this baseball team, he would
have had a stroke multiple times.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He wouldn't have any players left because he'd sit them
all on the bench.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So that's what's the most disappointing thing for me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Guys, honestly.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Seasons like this are going to happen, right? Teams are
going to underachieve. Teams are going to have bad years.
Players are going to have off years, whatever. But it's
just the lack of accountability and the lack of desire
and the perception of a lack of a desire and
the unbelievable, just complete lack of any leader whatsoever over there.
I've used this on the air a million times, and
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I'll say it again. It is the epitome of the
inmates running the asylum. Bazzardo should have been yanked the
second that happened. He should have been yanked for the game. Julio,
when he pulled that nonsense down 22-0 or 19-0, should
have been yanked. And you respond to it the way
Cooper Pratt responded to it, which is what I told
you on the air after that day with the nonsense
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with Julio, exactly what Dan should have done and what
Julio's reaction should have been. And what the Brewers did
is exactly that. Pat Murphy's job is to get guys
to focus up, even if it means teaching difficult lessons.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And none of that's happening here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So I just don't know how, unless Dan Wilson just
completely morphs into something that he's not overnight, I don't
know how this can continue.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, he's not going to.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Then he's done.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Then he's got to be done.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Jackson and I have been sitting in a bar watching
that bus with sparks falling down the road for a
long while.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Long time right now.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And I've even shifted my take a little bit on
it because I did at one point, even when I
was off, I was like, hey, but I hope they
can come back.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And make some noise.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I am seriously worried now that any run they make–
will be seen by ownership as a step in the
right direction, a reason to keep the status quo. If
they go 12-4 down the stretch against the Angels and
the A's and the Rockies of the world, and if
they fall two games short of the Astros to win
the AL West, it'll be like, well, look, it was
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just a bounce here, a bounce there. We were just
two games back. Dan comes back. Jerry comes back. Everything,
just because they can beat... Triple-A rosters at the end
of the season when those teams don't? In fact, I
don't even have belief that they can beat those Triple-A rosters.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I don't even see the Mariners ripping through the Rockies
and the A's and the Angels.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
What have you seen from this baseball team that leads
you to believe they can go 12-4 against anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Nothing. I totally agree. I'm with you a thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But I think, again, and you said– I'm glad that
you mentioned that, by the way, Dick, because you said
you had kind of a shift.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
In your tone a little bit for a while there.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The reason for the shift is because of the division
they play in.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's why. Because you wake up and they're four games
out of first place. Like, well, this is terrible. These
guys are awful. But you know what?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's like when you have a terrible basketball team, like
you've coached your son before. I'm not saying that your
teams are terrible. But let's say you're coaching a team
that you know is terrible. You're going to get killed.
And then you show up at the gym and the
other team doesn't come to play.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, we won. We won, right?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean– Dude, this division is so god-awful that even
a terrible Mariner baseball team, a terrible Ranger team, a
terrible Astro team.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Could win it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So the only confidence, if I do have any confidence
at all, it's got nothing to do with them.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Nothing. And I hope I've portrayed that on the air
in the last couple weeks.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But the Astros went to New York and took two
or three against the Yankees and the Mets, so they're playing.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And your point about the Mariners, look, they just lost
three in a row to a mediocre at-best Toronto team.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Mediocre at best Toronto team, who, by the.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Way, had the second fewest runs scored in baseball in
front of the Mariners, and they whipped your ass for
three games in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When you're playing terrible baseball, it doesn't matter who you're playing, Angels, A's, whatever.
I do know this. You've got three teams on the schedule.
What is it, 17 games left of the 25, and
those three teams are a combined 97 games under. 500.
With Colorado the A's and the Angels. So that is
the only reason why there is any idea that maybe
they could even sniff the playoffs is because of the
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terrible division they're in. And I said this on X
over the weekend that I believe that no matter what
happens this year, outside of them taking some magic pill
that just brings out a side of them that we
haven't seen all year long. Make the playoffs, not make
the playoffs. They have internal problems that they've got to
address over the offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Without question.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
No matter what happens. And I really hope that Stanton
feels that way. And I really hope that Jerry DiPoto
feels that way. Because let's face it, this isn't 1986
anymore when two teams from each league make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
This is half the league's making the playoffs now.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So you should be in the race every year. Every year.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It should not come along with a, well, everything's all
right tag, even if you do make the playoffs. And
I'm starting to think, guys, that if they do make
the playoffs, they're going to have to make the playoffs
for the sub-500 record. Because I'm not sure if I
see them finishing over 500 the rest of the way.
This might be an 80 and 82 baseball team. But
I just say this, that playoffs, no playoffs, whatever. If
it happens, great. If it doesn't happen, okay, fine. We
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got to figure out and they got to figure out
how the hell this happened. Because if I'm not mistaken,
and you guys can, somebody could look this up, but
I was going to do it and I swear to
God I forgot. I think that when they did their
top 50 list the other day or whatever, a couple
weeks ago, there were more players on this team now
than any other team in Mariner history. There were like
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seven or eight guys on this team. Now, maybe that's
why there were more guys, because they're all here now.
They don't want any hurt feelings, so they put a.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Bunch of standards. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I think that was probably a reason why, but I
also think, okay, you can argue then, Mariners, that this
is maybe the biggest waste of talent in your franchise's history.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Because you just put them all in the top 50.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You were the ones that told us that all these
guys belonged on the top 50 list. You were the
ones that put them on there. And now you're nine
games under. 500 in a terrible division? So, yeah, this
is one of the biggest wastes ever.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You know, when you look at a series, most people
would think the last game of a series is the
most important, right? You're either trying to win a series,
you're trying to sweep a series, or you're trying to
salvage not getting swept in a series. Well, here's what
the Mariners have done, guys. In the last 12 series
in the final game of that series, they have been
outscored 80 to 26 in those games.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
That's an average of a 7 to 2 score. So
what we saw yesterday at 7-0 was almost exactly average
of what the Mariners have done.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That is not a small sample size. That is 12 series.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Of baseball dating all the way back to the All-Star game.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, they're right back to where they were in 2019, Dick, right?
When they were right in the middle of this whole
rebuild thing or reimagine. Remember that word we used to
toss around a lot here on the air? They're right
in the middle of it. I mean, they're not as
bad as they were back then, but they're no better.
I mean, they have taken Jackson a absolute serious, at
least for this year, step back. And I'm concerned unless
they change their culture, this is going to continue.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
That leads me to kind of just wondering out loud.
For how many years are Mariners fans going to say
the phrase, eight outs? Because you know how long we
talked about 95? And 95 got talked about for, what,
probably two decades, right? How long will we talk about
the phrase and obsess over the phrase, eight outs?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right. Yeah. It's almost like throwing at the one. If
it goes, oh, Dick, come on! I can never laugh
at that. You're having a good day.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know, is it possible, have you ever seen the
movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Jackson?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
A long time ago. With Jack Nicholson when they gave
him a body at the end of the movie. Can
we just take that part of your brain.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That talks about that game and the Kenny Wheaton play
and just turn it into jello?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Just suck it out. Can they target specific memories? I wish.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like, I know, Jackson, you're watching Silo, right? I mean,
can we target specific memories?
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Put them in vitamin D plus in the water supply?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll get them the hell out of there. Because there's
just certain things that just make.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Me want to throw you off this press box, by
the way. Anyway, we'll get a break. Bill Kruger will
join us at 4. Hugh Millen at 5. Seahawks have
set the roster. I was asked this morning if I
saw surprises, and I don't really see any. Maybe I'm
missing something. Next on 93.3 KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
All right, hey, the Husky Football Coaches Show debuts today.
How about that from Eureka, U-Village, Jetfish, Shalise Woodward, Damon
Huard from Puyallup, Washington.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
We'll join. God, that game was 32 years ago. The whammy. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
32.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Dude, this is stupid, man. National Championship 35 years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You realize that for like a 10-year-old man, that's like
something for you and me that took place in like
the 40s.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
But you know what's nice is that we have 2023.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Right. And we have 2000.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
2016.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We have 2016. We have like every single.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Age group of Husky fans. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Has at the very least a Final Four to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Something. Something.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Something to sink their teeth into, right? Something to sink
their wisdom teeth into. Well, we're here at UW. We'll
do a little fun with audio at 345. Bill Kruger
will join us at 4. Hugh Miller going to jump
on the air. At 5 o'clock. We do have a
poll to get to, by the way. I think we
should visit this before we start talking some Seahawks. A
week from Wednesday. I was looking at Venue Kings. It's
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$ 304 to get in the door, by the way, for
the Seahawks-Patriot game at VenueKings.com. If you want to wait
until the Seahawks go to Arizona to play the Cardinals
in a couple weeks, you can get into that game
for $ 65. I mean, dude, the difference in ticket prices
for the first home game of the year for every
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team in the NFC West. I'm not counting the Australia
game because that's not at home for crying out loud.
The difference in what these fans are paying to get
into these games and the interest level in these games
is unbelievable. It's $ 304 to get in the door for
the Seahawks-Patriots game right now. $ 135 for the Niners game
against Miami and Santa Clara. $ 101 for the Giants game
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against the Rams on Monday Night Football, by the way, Dick.
And $ 65 for the Cardinals. It's almost three times more
expensive than the next cheapest game to go watch the
Hawk opener on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean... I'm fired up for it, man.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Me too.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
To see the banner. I mean, it'll be our second
banner raise.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I'm as fired up for that as I am for
the game because I think the game is going to be.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Fairly well in hand.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I've declared this September a stress-free September because you take
a look at what the Huskies are playing in September.
You take a look at what the Seahawks are playing
in September. And if we have a loss for either
one of those teams, then you've got something to worry
about if you have a loss.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
By the Seahawks or the Huskies in September.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You've got to ask yourself, is Dan Wilson coaching the
team if they lose a.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Game in September?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Honestly, these are not games the Huskies should even be
fearful of losing in the fourth quarter. All three of
them should be hammerings by this Husky football team. Listen,
before we get to the Hawks and all that, Let's
get a quick update on the poll that you tossed
out there. I want to get this out of the
way before the series starts.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Jackson will like this one. Good response on this one.
1,255 votes.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Simple question. You make the call. Here's your options. Fire Dan.
Fire Jerry. Fire them both. Fire neither.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
How about to steal a line from Nero in Star Trek?
Fire everything!
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Fire it all!
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Jackson, how do you vote?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
I'm going to say 81% of people, including myself, voted
for fire everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well, I would vote fire Dan, but I am assuming
that the majority of people voted fire everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You are correct. I am with you.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Jackson, would you vote fire Dan or fire both?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Everybody. Everybody.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm with Softie.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I would vote fire Dan. That got 30% of the vote.
Fire Jerry only got 3% of the vote.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Fire both. You guys are right. It's not 80 plus,
but it's 64% said fire both.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And 3% of Mariner fans want no blood after this. 3%
want everybody back.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Those might be players voting on that or people that
work in the office.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Or Jerry and Dan voting themselves. You think it's possible
that Jerry and Dan have burner Twitter accounts, by the way?
Do they know about all this stuff going on? Or
is somebody reporting back to them what people are saying,
you think?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I just know this. If I were them, I'd want
to know.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, I think they know that, I mean, you can't.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Go to a game without realizing how displeased the fan
base is.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I mean, there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Dan and Jerry can't see what the attitude is at
T-Mobile Park. I mean, I've been to a couple of
games the last two weeks, and it's been embarrassing. But
I'm glad. I'm happy that the Mariner fans are letting
them have it, right? You hear catcalls, you hear boos,
you hear all sorts of stuff. Mariner fans are pissed off,
and hopefully John Stanton hears that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, I think he does hear it. I don't know
if he really cares, honestly. I mean, people say a
lot of things about the Mariners and the ownership and
this and that. I mean, you've been exposed to it,
just like all three of us have, fans and whatever.
And I have been around them long enough, I think,
to kind of get a feel for for what's important
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and how they operate. And this top of the pyramid
idea that a lot of Mariner fans have and sports
fans have the opinion that they only care about the
bottom line making money.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I do think they want to win.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And I've said this before on the air, but I
also do think that for people that believe that dick about, The.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Bottom line is making money. I think that's more true
than not.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I think that's, you know, just, again, observing them over
the last 15, 20 years, I think that's more true.
It's more fact than fiction. Do I think that John
Stanton wants to wake up and win a World Series?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, I do. Do I think he craves it like
it's heir to him? No, I don't. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And, you know, look, again, maybe it's easy for guys
like me to say something like that because it's not
my money. And if it was my money, maybe I
would have a totally different mindset if it were my money.
But then you got guys like the Phillies owner coming
out saying things like nobody gives a damn how much
money I make.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They just want championships.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I want the owner of all of our teams,
whether the Sonics, Kraken, the Mariners, the Seahawks, whatever. People
in charge here at Washington, I want them to wake
up and say one thing to themselves every single day,
and that is, what are we doing today to win
a championship? Because championship equals money. And I don't think
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those guys wake up like that, Dick. I just don't.
And maybe it's because of their age. Maybe it's because
of where they are in their lives. Maybe they've got,
you know, other goals that they want to leave something behind.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I got no idea. I can't even speculate on why.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But I've been waiting for signs from this group and
this organization that the only thing that matters over everything
is winning a title. And if I don't get it,
I'm going to choke to death because I'm being deprived
of oxygen. I want them to feel like that, and
I don't think that they are. And I'm convinced that
they're not. And that just– it sours me and it
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puts me in a bad mood and also disappoints the
hell out of me.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Well, of the three elements that an owner should really
care about, one being– how much money they make, one
being how much they win, and one being what is
the fan experience like in your ballpark. I believe that
their priority list is fan experience, making money, and winning baseball.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, the only question is how much of a gap
is there between those three?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Because I do believe that the Mariners would spend a
little extra money to make the fan experience better. I
think that it's that important to them.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
But what I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Is, is it fan experience and then a huge gap
to making money and then a huge gap to winning?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Is it close? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
We can only go based upon what they've told us.
And what they have told us is that they don't
spend money in free agency. That has been based on
their action, based on their action. And they've told us
what their goal is. And their goal is to be
competitive year after year after year. They don't use the
word championships like the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, the Seahawks have that big championship banner on
their championship expectations. Isn't that what the banner says inside
the BMAC? I mean, they don't use the word championship
when they talk about the Mariners. They use the word
competitive championship. And so what are you going to get
when your goal is being competitive? You're going to be
competitive more times than not. And that's what they've been
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over the last five.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Six years.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I do think it's a pretty amazing man, the contrast
between the Seahawks and the Mariners. And I think they
could learn a thing or two from them across the street.
And I, I would hope that they would, but I just, I,
I I've, I've questioned before and I don't think people
really understand sometimes what I mean when I say desire, right?
Like guys, all of us want to win, right? Like,
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Do you crave it, though? Do you wake up saying
it's the only thing to me that matters? Like, I
am willing to sacrifice personally to bring a championship to
my town. I am willing to sacrifice professionally. to bring
a championship to my town. It's the only thing that matters.
Nothing else even comes close besides winning a championship. And
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maybe there's few people left like that, Dick. Maybe there's
few owners and few executives and even few players left
in professional sports that believe and act like George Steinbrenner did.
back in the day where he would fire somebody at
the first crack of anything that leads him to believe
that you're doing this besides something else, besides winning a championship.
Maybe those people don't exist the way that they used
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to back in the day.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But that's what I want, right? Call me crazy. Call
me a lunatic. I don't give a damn. Call me
whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And I would love to have somebody in charge of
the Mariners one day that could operate like that. Hell,
Jody Allen's getting out of the Seahawks game. Maybe she
can get in the Mariner game.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
If she wants to go hop her butt over there
and teach those, you know, clowns a thing or two
about how to how to run and build a franchise
and operate a franchise and have culture and have leaders
and have accountability, because it is hard to watch. We're
talking off the air about Dan Jackson, you know, sitting
up there at the press conference, rocking back and forth,
staring at the ground like he just doesn't believe in himself,
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you know. And that's the thing that is really bothersome,
that you like Dan a lot as a guy, but
he's just he it looks like he's in over his head, right?
It looks like he doesn't belong there. And that's the
sad state of affairs.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I'm sorry, but my respect for Dan Wilson has gotten
to the point where I don't even want to call
him by his name. I just want to call him
the cliche factory. Cause like yesterday was the smallest. And
I mean like the tiptoe is small step in the, well, it's,
it's getting late in the season direction, but all he
does is you're right. He, he stares at in these
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road interviews, he stares at the ground and he rocks
back and forth. And it's like, he's trying to come
up with the next cliche to say I'm done.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, I mean, I want him to go for a
couple reasons. One, because he's not a good manager. And two,
because I want to really like Dan Wilson again. I
want it to be Dan Wilson, Mariner legend again when
he's introduced 10 years from now to throw out a
first pitch at a game.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Don't you think fans will separate that? I hope that
they do. I hope that they do.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
After time, they will, absolutely. Because Mariner fans like Dan
Wilson as a person. So I think they'll easily be
able to separate.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, I mean, he's part of some of the most
fantastic teams in baseball history. But I think this is
just another example that just because you're a good player
and you were known as a great piece on a
great team doesn't mean that you can coach.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I mean, it's been that way forever, right? I mean,
a lot of guys, superstars, have tried it. And it
just hasn't worked out, man. All right, we're going to break.
A little fun with audio. And then Bill Kruger at 4,
Hugh Millen at 5. We're live at UW getting ready
for the Apple Cup on Sunday. We do have some
tickets to give.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Away, by the way.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I got four pairs of seats for the Apple Cup
to give away. We'll find a way to do that
at some point today on 93.3 KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (29:53):
All right, boys and girls, we are back here inside
Husky Stadium getting ready for the Apple Cup on Sunday.
105 kickoff for those that want it down to the
actual minute. 105 kickoff on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Hey, good job you said Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Nice job.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'll screw up.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I guarantee you. Apple Cup coming Saturday, 105. See, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Here we go. A little fun with audio slash. Hey,
did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen to
hear that? What's that, Dick? Starting the NFL, by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Our old friend Cam Ward, the former Washington State Cougar quarterback,
Miami Hurricane quarterback, incarnate word quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Before the Titans' final preseason game, Sirius XM radio host
Jared Stillman said, asked Tennessee quarterback Cam Ward about how
he would assess his play throughout August.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Here's how that interaction went.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
How would you, how would Cam Ward assess the way
Cam Ward has played so far this preseason?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
How would you assess it?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Not well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You don't think so?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
I don't think so. I'm glad you don't think so.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
How would you assess it?
Speaker 7 (31:01):
You know, I assess it as, you know, Do we
win the game or do we lose the game? I
assess it as what I can get better at. I
don't assess it as someone who can get up there
and operate when everything's on. It's a different process level.
So it's more of slowing down the game to everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I love the answer the guy gave. How would you
assess it?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Not well.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean, I love asking questions like that. Never mind
what I think. Never mind what people think. You're your
biggest critic.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What do you think? That's right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean, Cam Ward is a long list of players
that if you would have gotten drafted with the San
Francisco 49ers, the Kansas City Chiefs, you name the top
ten teams, would his career be significantly different? And the
answer is probably yes.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Is this his second year? Is that right, Cam Ward? Third.
Third year already? God, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I thought it was his second year. But either way,
I think you're right. Second year? This is his second year.
He was a rookie last year, right. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But you're right that how many guys end up in
the wrong spots and they just don't get coached.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I mean, people at Wazoo will tell you that Cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Was kind of a jackass when he was there. as
far as a leader perspective. So I'm not surprised to
hear him snapping at somebody. But does he have the
mental fortitude to be a great leader? Do people want
to follow him in the NFL? And I think the
question of how have you played so far in the
preseason is a fine one.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean, just be honest. I haven't played well. Here's
what I got to do better.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I mean, it kind of makes it sound like guys
like that are getting no coaching whatsoever from PR people
in the NFL, or they just don't give a damn.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Well, again, it's the franchises that get it and the
franchises that don't. And we're just really lucky that we
have a franchise that does. Because, I mean, these teams
will just rush the guy in, make him the starter
right away, save our franchise, and that is the quickest
way to kill a young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that? What's that, Dick?
All right, let's go to college football.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
USC, you may have seen this, USC, Fresno State, by
the way, or excuse me, San Jose State, over the
weekend had their season opener, just over 51,000, the Trojans'
lowest attendance since 2018, and their lowest under head coach
Lincoln Riley. The school put out a statement responding to
the low number, and Paul Feinbaum reacted to it on
ESPN's first take earlier today.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Quote, we understand the factors that impacted Saturday's attendance. We
have high expectations in the premier home schedule this season,
and we know the competitive advantage an electric Coliseum atmosphere
can provide our program. We thank our fans who showed
up Saturday and look forward to seeing increased attendance the
rest of the season.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
First of all, there is no way a human being
at Southern Cal put out that pile of garbage. That
had to be AI generated because no sane person at
the University of Southern California would say that. And by
the way, that 51,000, it looked like about 25,000. I've
been around sports a long time. When you have nobody
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at the game, you tend to.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Exaggerate whatever you have.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
That is a downright disgrace.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, first of all, I was talking to a PR
person this morning, a long-time PR person. You know what
I would have done, by the way, about the attendance
and the statement they put out?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Nothing. Just let it be. You know why Paul Feinbaum's
talking about it?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Because they made a statement.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Because they made a statement. That's exactly right. I mean,
just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, it was all over social media, the picture.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
The picture was all over social media before the statement.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
The crowd stunk. Just let it be. Let it be.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And then guess what? By tomorrow, something else will take
its spot, and they'll yell about that. I just think
that you're putting gas on the fire if you address
it and try to talk your way out of why
the attendance was so bad at the Coliseum. Did you
see the Hawaii Stanford crowd over the weekend? There's more
people in this booth, by the way. There's only two
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people in here, me and Dick. You think Stanford said anything? No,
of course not, because they're used to having... terrible crowds.
But I just think it's the changing nature of college football, Dick.
They are pushing the calendar up early August even more
so than they have been in years past.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
The teams that you're playing in August are terrible, right?
I mean, they're bad games. They're bad opponents. There's nothing
attractive about it. So I wouldn't have said a damn
thing if I were you.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I almost see with the becoming a two-conference college football
world where your games from your conference games are just
better than they.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The quality of play and the quality of game are
just better than what they used to be.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I almost see us going into this almost preseason September, right? Sure, sure.
Where it doesn't even feel like a regular season game.
And I think we're going to get to that point,
especially when we have the crossover and the Huskies are
playing Tennessee. I know they're playing them a couple of years.
Huskies are going to play South Carolina or Alabama in
a crossover game. It's going to make those other two
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non-conference games feel like preseason.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Right, yeah. I mean, eventually everything's in context, right?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
But I do think that one thing we've noticed about
this Big Ten schedule versus the Pac-12 schedule... There's way
more big games in conference than ever before.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Absolutely. I mean, Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Oregon, Nebraska, USC.
It's awesome. In one year.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And it's still so fresh that it feels like a
lot of these games kind of feel like non-conference games
because most of them are coming here for the first
time in, like, forever. Penn State hasn't been here for, like,
100 years, and they're coming here this year.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
What's that, Dick?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
The Yankees crushed the Red Sox 16-1 yesterday. In the
eighth inning with the Yankees leading 7-1, Jazz Chisholm stole
two bases when he was not getting held on. Boston's
WEEI radio broadcasters Will Fleming and Will Middlebrooks did not
appreciate Jazz's behavior.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Chisholm's doing it again.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
By the way, look, you're up six. It's the eighth.
The team is electing not to hold you on. That's
the white flag, right? And normally in that situation, you
don't run.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You don't run.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Wouldn't you sort of like to see Moran drill Wells
right here?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That's selfish play, right? That's just padding your stats. Well,
he's a Bush league player.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But guess what? I mean, it's not even a steal.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Here's the pitch, and it's swung on and missed.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I think that's indifference, don't you?
Speaker 11 (37:14):
Yeah, it's just, you know, one of the unwritten rules, like,
if we're holding you on, sure, if you get a jump, go.
But if I'm going to play behind you at first base,
that's us just saying, just play the game.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Well, that's who Jazz is. I don't know what else
you need to hear. The 3-2 is drilled into right field.
It is way back in. It is gone.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And Marantz should fight.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
He's walking towards the third base line, staring.
Speaker 10 (37:36):
At him there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He plays the game the wrong way. Wow, called him
a Bush League player.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, you know who agrees with that is our buddy
Dave Sampson. Remember, he was on the air with us
and said, don't touch him with a 10-foot pole. And
maybe the Yankees can overcome it because they're the Yankees, right?
But for a team like the Mariners, it may have been.
Can you imagine if Jazz Chisholm was on this team
right now and they were struggling the way they are?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Oh, boy.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, that would have been entertaining as hell, number one.
And number two, maybe they would not be struggling if
Jazz Chisholm were here. But I do agree with Middlebrooks.
that it is kind of a douchey move. If you're
down or up 7-1, the game's over, the opponent's not
holding you on, it is a little bit of a
D-bag move to go rip off second base. And oh,
by the way, the idea of drilling a guy and
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getting into.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
A fight with a guy, you know who else is
saying that stuff? The dugout.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They're saying the exact same thing as the broadcasters are.
But it's okay for them to say it, but God
forbid we repeat that in public and the whole planet
stops spinning.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Well, they're waving the white flag.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Isn't that the same as when a You know, you
get Leo Rivas coming into a game, and you're.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Still swinging the bat trying to get runs.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I mean, I guess you could just stand there
and just take three strikes and go. I mean, at
some point you've got to play the game. Like, the
game has to continue. There's nothing about Jazz Chisholm stealing
second base that needs to happen. If I'm standing at
home plate with a bat in my hand and you're
pitching to me, I kind of have no choice.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I've got to play, right?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
He could just say the hell with it. So I
don't know, man. I just think there's all these unwritten rules,
and that's kind of one of them. But, you know, Dick,
I'm old enough to know that unwritten rules for a
lot of people don't mean squat.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
We're going to break. Bill Kruger going to join next
on 93.3 KJRFM.
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Jed Fish mentioned this today at his press conference, and
we've talked about this before many times, that the idea
that you're watching football on Sunday, it literally is the
only live football game, tackle football game, happening on television
in the world on Sunday at 1 o'clock. There's no NFL.
There's no NFL preseason. There's no European football. There's no UFL.
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There's no college football. There's no Big Sky. There's no FCS,
no FPS.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
There's nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Not playing high school on Sunday either?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It is literally the only football game on television on
Sunday at 1 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You're sitting there in Anchorage, Alaska. You're sitting there in Minsk.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're sitting there in South Africa, Australia, South America, wherever, Argentina, Tijuana, Mexico,
and you want to watch a football game?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You got one choice. And that's the Apple Cup. You
know what, Dick?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This might be the first time that that's ever happened
to UW, but it might be the last time it
ever happens to UW.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Well, it's certainly the last time we've had a standalone
game in college football since the national championship.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There's no question about that there. And they're going to get.
five-plus million fans watching that game. If not more. If
not more.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I love Jed's quote.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We just went to his press conference. He said, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Everybody that turns on a TV on Sunday in September
is looking for football.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And this weekend, it's surprise, it's us. It's college.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, no, it's amazing, man. So I'm looking forward to
it on Sunday. Pre-game at 9, kickoff at 105 with
Elyse and Cam, obviously, on the call. Look, it's here.
I know a lot of Cougar fans aren't thrilled about it.
They're not fired up for the game. I know you
can just tell it in Ian's voice, right, talking to
him during crosstalk and talking to him during the week
that he kind of wants nothing to do with this. Jackson, Dick,
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and I were talking off the air about this, and
I think for the old guard, and when I mean
the old guard, I mean guys like Ian and me
that are in our 50s and 60s and 70s, whatever,
that you grow up and you're just kind of used
to a certain way of life. And then things change,
and they change dramatically. And you don't like it because
I've got a buddy of mine who's a big Coug fan.
He says, you know what, every year we could dream
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about going to a Rose Bowl. We finally made it
in 97, went to another one, what, 2001, whatever year.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It was, I think, with Mike Price.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, the Oklahoma game.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, Jason Gesser, guys like that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it didn't happen a lot for Washington State fans,
but every year we could at least potentially dream about
going to a Rose Bowl. And now those days are,
for the most part, pretty much over. and a lot
of them want nothing to do with it. So, I mean,
what we're going to see on Sunday, guys, my point
is this. We may not see a lot of these
very often. They're scheduled to come back here in two
years from now, right, Dick, in 2028, with a game
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being played in Pullman in 2027. So if you're a
fan of nostalgia, if you're a fan of this game
and you like the two sides of the state, getting
together what we see on sunday there may not be
too many of these left.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I think there has to be a way to get
it done and you're going to have two non-conference games
you're going to be able to play i think there
will be an sec big 10 crossover game in the
very near future probably in the next three or four
years and that leaves you two games i think one
of them has to be washington state and and the
other one can be whoever you want it to be
you know the little little sisters of the poor if
you want to you want to get a 70 to
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nothing win but Because you're exactly right when you say
it's our age people and older that are going to
be ticked off. The teens, the 20-somethings, even the young
30-somethings have seen what the Apple Cup has become, and
that is a one-sided... I told you, my son's seen...
My son's seen three Cougar wins. He's a junior in
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high school, and those three Cougar wins all came in
either weird circumstances, like overtime fumbles and missed field goals,
or it came on a goal-line play when Jed Fish
had no roster coming off the stripping down of Kalen DeBoer.
So those people are already used to the one-sided nature
of it, but that doesn't mean the game should not
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continue to be played, and this 100-year history of this
game should continue another 100 years.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, I hope it does continue. Continue?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I can't say that I would say the same thing
if I was on the other side. I totally get it,
completely understand it from their perspective. So we'll see. We'll
see if they can stomach it. We'll see if they
can not stomach it financially, by the way. That's another
part of this whole thing. So obviously we'll be talking
a lot about this. Hugh will join us today at 5.
Bill Kruger at 4. We'll get Fuse thoughts on the
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Apple Cup on Sunday as well. But before they get
going in Boston, man, the Mariner Believe bus is running
on fumes, boys. The axle is scraping the freeway. There's
sparks flying everywhere. Tires are all balled about to blow.
People are jumping ship right and left. What a disaster
in Toronto over the weekend. And, guys, here's the thing.
Do I have confidence that the Mariners are going to
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make the playoffs tonight?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, I don't. Do I think it's over? No, I don't.
Do I think they're on life support? Yes, I do.
I'm just going to go back to what I said
a week ago, guys, all right? I'm just going to
say this.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
If they can just survive this Red Sox series and
get to Thursday and be three, four, five games out
right in that little kind of neck of the woods
in the AL West when the schedule starts to change
a little bit for them, I'm going to think that
they've got a sliver of a chance, right? But my
problem is I'm just an idiot fan. I don't honestly
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know if the players think they have a chance because
the way they're playing right now, guys, the way they're behaving,
the way they're acting right now makes it look like
they don't think they have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
They look like a team that's ready to be done.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They look like a ball club Dick and Jackson that
can't wait for October to so they can go home
to their families, go on vacation, jump on a cruise,
or go fishing. Do anything else besides playing baseball. This
nonsense with Bazzardo over the weekend that you saw at
home plate, by the way, staring off into space like
he had no idea how to even play the game.
The postgame from Dan Wilson finally saying we're running out
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of time. Finally, there's a little bit of a sense
of urgency, and that's not even much, by the way,
what he said after the game. You got a guy
in Max Scherzer who came into the game with a
negative war and a plus seven ERA. This is a
guy that should be playing bingo with my mom at
her assisted living home, not pitching in baseball. He's a
senior frickin citizen. And he made these guys look like
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idiots yesterday in that game. So, look, I mean, I
know people that work there don't get, you know, they're
not thrilled with this kind of talk, and they're not
thrilled with those kind of accusations, but I would just
ask everybody over there, what do you expect us to say? Like,
what do you expect us to think? Go on the
air and say, God, did you see the fight, Nick,
these guys showed.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Over the weekend? Did you see the spark? No, you didn't.
You know why? Because there was no fight. There was
no spark.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And the perception that I'm getting, the affect, if you will,
that's a word that Mike Holmgren likes to use a lot,
is that they just don't care, that they're just done.
They're just mailing this entire thing in. Dan Wilson looks
like he's got no answers whatsoever. Jackson, I made the
analogy of the year today. The first Pirates of the Caribbean,
the English lieutenant or captain or whatever, when he's getting
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blown to bits by Jack Sparrow, and he's just standing there.
Because he's got no idea what to say, no idea
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Everyone's asking him, what should we do? And he's got
no clue. He walks down the stairs, dies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
He can't even form a sentence. I mean, that's what
Dan Wilson looks like. And God darn it, guys, I
wish I could say something different about Dan Wilson because
we love the guy. He's one of the great Mariners
of all time. But this isn't working. This is so
obvious it's not working. I mean, my God.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So you're ready to call it for Dan Wilson?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Unless things change dramatically, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Even if things change dramatically.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
If they win the World Series, bring them back. How's
that sound? They make the World Series, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just think either A, he's got to change, Dick,
or B, something else has to change. This approach that
they're taking now can't continue.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It just can't. I mean, it's just, it is a leaderless,
rudderless boat game. Over there. And it cannot continue.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Guys, this is the same stuff we've been saying now
on the air for the last couple of months. That
there's no admonishment. There's no criticisms. There's no responsibility. I
don't think guys are fearful for anything. What Bazzardo did
in that game over the weekend, what Julio Rodriguez has
done a couple times, what Randy Orozarena has been doing
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the entire year, base running mistakes by people constantly, series
after series, and none of it seems to come along
with any backlash at all.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
None. Not even privately.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like, we haven't heard from anybody that Dan Wilson's getting
on their case about any of this stuff. And we
talked about this last week, right, Nick, the Pat Murphy-Cooper-Pratt thing?
If Pat Murphy was managing this baseball team, he would
have had a stroke multiple times.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He wouldn't have any players left because he'd sit them
all on the bench.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So that's what's the most disappointing thing for me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Guys, honestly.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Seasons like this are going to happen, right? Teams are
going to underachieve. Teams are going to have bad years.
Players are going to have off years, whatever. But it's
just the lack of accountability and the lack of desire
and the perception of a lack of a desire and
the unbelievable, just complete lack of any leader whatsoever over there.
I've used this on the air a million times, and
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I'll say it again. It is the epitome of the
inmates running the asylum. Bazzardo should have been yanked the
second that happened. He should have been yanked for the game. Julio,
when he pulled that nonsense down 22-0 or 19-0, should
have been yanked. And you respond to it the way
Cooper Pratt responded to it, which is what I told
you on the air after that day with the nonsense
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with Julio, exactly what Dan should have done and what
Julio's reaction should have been. And what the Brewers did
is exactly that. Pat Murphy's job is to get guys
to focus up, even if it means teaching difficult lessons.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And none of that's happening here in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So I just don't know how, unless Dan Wilson just
completely morphs into something that he's not overnight, I don't
know how this can continue.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, he's not going to.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Then he's done.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Then he's got to be done.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Jackson and I have been sitting in a bar watching
that bus with sparks falling down the road for a
long while.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Long time right now.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And I've even shifted my take a little bit on
it because I did at one point, even when I
was off, I was like, hey, but I hope they
can come back.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And make some noise.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I am seriously worried now that any run they make–
will be seen by ownership as a step in the
right direction, a reason to keep the status quo. If
they go 12-4 down the stretch against the Angels and
the A's and the Rockies of the world, and if
they fall two games short of the Astros to win
the AL West, it'll be like, well, look, it was
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just a bounce here, a bounce there. We were just
two games back. Dan comes back. Jerry comes back. Everything,
just because they can beat... Triple-A rosters at the end
of the season when those teams don't? In fact, I
don't even have belief that they can beat those Triple-A rosters.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I don't even see the Mariners ripping through the Rockies
and the A's and the Angels.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
What have you seen from this baseball team that leads
you to believe they can go 12-4 against anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Nothing. I totally agree. I'm with you a thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But I think, again, and you said– I'm glad that
you mentioned that, by the way, Dick, because you said
you had kind of a shift.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
In your tone a little bit for a while there.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The reason for the shift is because of the division
they play in.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's why. Because you wake up and they're four games
out of first place. Like, well, this is terrible. These
guys are awful. But you know what?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's like when you have a terrible basketball team, like
you've coached your son before. I'm not saying that your
teams are terrible. But let's say you're coaching a team
that you know is terrible. You're going to get killed.
And then you show up at the gym and the
other team doesn't come to play.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, we won. We won, right?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean– Dude, this division is so god-awful that even
a terrible Mariner baseball team, a terrible Ranger team, a
terrible Astro team.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Could win it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So the only confidence, if I do have any confidence
at all, it's got nothing to do with them.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Nothing. And I hope I've portrayed that on the air
in the last couple weeks.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But the Astros went to New York and took two
or three against the Yankees and the Mets, so they're playing.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And your point about the Mariners, look, they just lost
three in a row to a mediocre at-best Toronto team.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Mediocre at best Toronto team, who, by the.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Way, had the second fewest runs scored in baseball in
front of the Mariners, and they whipped your ass for
three games in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When you're playing terrible baseball, it doesn't matter who you're playing, Angels, A's, whatever.
I do know this. You've got three teams on the schedule.
What is it, 17 games left of the 25, and
those three teams are a combined 97 games under. 500.
With Colorado the A's and the Angels. So that is
the only reason why there is any idea that maybe
they could even sniff the playoffs is because of the
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terrible division they're in. And I said this on X
over the weekend that I believe that no matter what
happens this year, outside of them taking some magic pill
that just brings out a side of them that we
haven't seen all year long. Make the playoffs, not make
the playoffs. They have internal problems that they've got to
address over the offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Without question.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
No matter what happens. And I really hope that Stanton
feels that way. And I really hope that Jerry DiPoto
feels that way. Because let's face it, this isn't 1986
anymore when two teams from each league make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
This is half the league's making the playoffs now.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So you should be in the race every year. Every year.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It should not come along with a, well, everything's all
right tag, even if you do make the playoffs. And
I'm starting to think, guys, that if they do make
the playoffs, they're going to have to make the playoffs
for the sub-500 record. Because I'm not sure if I
see them finishing over 500 the rest of the way.
This might be an 80 and 82 baseball team. But
I just say this, that playoffs, no playoffs, whatever. If
it happens, great. If it doesn't happen, okay, fine. We
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got to figure out and they got to figure out
how the hell this happened. Because if I'm not mistaken,
and you guys can, somebody could look this up, but
I was going to do it and I swear to
God I forgot. I think that when they did their
top 50 list the other day or whatever, a couple
weeks ago, there were more players on this team now
than any other team in Mariner history. There were like
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seven or eight guys on this team. Now, maybe that's
why there were more guys, because they're all here now.
They don't want any hurt feelings, so they put a.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Bunch of standards. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I think that was probably a reason why, but I
also think, okay, you can argue then, Mariners, that this
is maybe the biggest waste of talent in your franchise's history.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Because you just put them all in the top 50.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You were the ones that told us that all these
guys belonged on the top 50 list. You were the
ones that put them on there. And now you're nine
games under. 500 in a terrible division? So, yeah, this
is one of the biggest wastes ever.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You know, when you look at a series, most people
would think the last game of a series is the
most important, right? You're either trying to win a series,
you're trying to sweep a series, or you're trying to
salvage not getting swept in a series. Well, here's what
the Mariners have done, guys. In the last 12 series
in the final game of that series, they have been
outscored 80 to 26 in those games.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
That's an average of a 7 to 2 score. So
what we saw yesterday at 7-0 was almost exactly average
of what the Mariners have done.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That is not a small sample size. That is 12 series.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Of baseball dating all the way back to the All-Star game.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, they're right back to where they were in 2019, Dick, right?
When they were right in the middle of this whole
rebuild thing or reimagine. Remember that word we used to
toss around a lot here on the air? They're right
in the middle of it. I mean, they're not as
bad as they were back then, but they're no better.
I mean, they have taken Jackson a absolute serious, at
least for this year, step back. And I'm concerned unless
they change their culture, this is going to continue.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
That leads me to kind of just wondering out loud.
For how many years are Mariners fans going to say
the phrase, eight outs? Because you know how long we
talked about 95? And 95 got talked about for, what,
probably two decades, right? How long will we talk about
the phrase and obsess over the phrase, eight outs?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right. Yeah. It's almost like throwing at the one. If
it goes, oh, Dick, come on! I can never laugh
at that. You're having a good day.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know, is it possible, have you ever seen the
movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Jackson?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
A long time ago. With Jack Nicholson when they gave
him a body at the end of the movie. Can
we just take that part of your brain.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That talks about that game and the Kenny Wheaton play
and just turn it into jello?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Just suck it out. Can they target specific memories? I wish.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like, I know, Jackson, you're watching Silo, right? I mean,
can we target specific memories?
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Put them in vitamin D plus in the water supply?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll get them the hell out of there. Because there's
just certain things that just make.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Me want to throw you off this press box, by
the way. Anyway, we'll get a break. Bill Kruger will
join us at 4. Hugh Millen at 5. Seahawks have
set the roster. I was asked this morning if I
saw surprises, and I don't really see any. Maybe I'm
missing something. Next on 93.3 KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
All right, hey, the Husky Football Coaches Show debuts today.
How about that from Eureka, U-Village, Jetfish, Shalise Woodward, Damon
Huard from Puyallup, Washington.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
We'll join. God, that game was 32 years ago. The whammy. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
32.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Dude, this is stupid, man. National Championship 35 years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You realize that for like a 10-year-old man, that's like
something for you and me that took place in like
the 40s.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
But you know what's nice is that we have 2023.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Right. And we have 2000.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
2016.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We have 2016. We have like every single.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Age group of Husky fans. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Has at the very least a Final Four to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Something. Something.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Something to sink their teeth into, right? Something to sink
their wisdom teeth into. Well, we're here at UW. We'll
do a little fun with audio at 345. Bill Kruger
will join us at 4. Hugh Miller going to jump
on the air. At 5 o'clock. We do have a
poll to get to, by the way. I think we
should visit this before we start talking some Seahawks. A
week from Wednesday. I was looking at Venue Kings. It's
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$ 304 to get in the door, by the way, for
the Seahawks-Patriot game at VenueKings.com. If you want to wait
until the Seahawks go to Arizona to play the Cardinals
in a couple weeks, you can get into that game
for $ 65. I mean, dude, the difference in ticket prices
for the first home game of the year for every
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team in the NFC West. I'm not counting the Australia
game because that's not at home for crying out loud.
The difference in what these fans are paying to get
into these games and the interest level in these games
is unbelievable. It's $ 304 to get in the door for
the Seahawks-Patriots game right now. $ 135 for the Niners game
against Miami and Santa Clara. $ 101 for the Giants game
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against the Rams on Monday Night Football, by the way, Dick.
And $ 65 for the Cardinals. It's almost three times more
expensive than the next cheapest game to go watch the
Hawk opener on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean... I'm fired up for it, man.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Me too.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
To see the banner. I mean, it'll be our second
banner raise.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I'm as fired up for that as I am for
the game because I think the game is going to be.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Fairly well in hand.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I've declared this September a stress-free September because you take
a look at what the Huskies are playing in September.
You take a look at what the Seahawks are playing
in September. And if we have a loss for either
one of those teams, then you've got something to worry
about if you have a loss.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
By the Seahawks or the Huskies in September.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You've got to ask yourself, is Dan Wilson coaching the
team if they lose a.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Game in September?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Honestly, these are not games the Huskies should even be
fearful of losing in the fourth quarter. All three of
them should be hammerings by this Husky football team. Listen,
before we get to the Hawks and all that, Let's
get a quick update on the poll that you tossed
out there. I want to get this out of the
way before the series starts.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Jackson will like this one. Good response on this one.
1,255 votes.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Simple question. You make the call. Here's your options. Fire Dan.
Fire Jerry. Fire them both. Fire neither.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
How about to steal a line from Nero in Star Trek?
Fire everything!
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Fire it all!
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Jackson, how do you vote?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
I'm going to say 81% of people, including myself, voted
for fire everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well, I would vote fire Dan, but I am assuming
that the majority of people voted fire everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You are correct. I am with you.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Jackson, would you vote fire Dan or fire both?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Everybody. Everybody.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm with Softie.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I would vote fire Dan. That got 30% of the vote.
Fire Jerry only got 3% of the vote.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Fire both. You guys are right. It's not 80 plus,
but it's 64% said fire both.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And 3% of Mariner fans want no blood after this. 3%
want everybody back.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Those might be players voting on that or people that
work in the office.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Or Jerry and Dan voting themselves. You think it's possible
that Jerry and Dan have burner Twitter accounts, by the way?
Do they know about all this stuff going on? Or
is somebody reporting back to them what people are saying,
you think?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I just know this. If I were them, I'd want
to know.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, I think they know that, I mean, you can't.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Go to a game without realizing how displeased the fan
base is.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I mean, there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Dan and Jerry can't see what the attitude is at
T-Mobile Park. I mean, I've been to a couple of
games the last two weeks, and it's been embarrassing. But
I'm glad. I'm happy that the Mariner fans are letting
them have it, right? You hear catcalls, you hear boos,
you hear all sorts of stuff. Mariner fans are pissed off,
and hopefully John Stanton hears that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, I think he does hear it. I don't know
if he really cares, honestly. I mean, people say a
lot of things about the Mariners and the ownership and
this and that. I mean, you've been exposed to it,
just like all three of us have, fans and whatever.
And I have been around them long enough, I think,
to kind of get a feel for for what's important
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and how they operate. And this top of the pyramid
idea that a lot of Mariner fans have and sports
fans have the opinion that they only care about the
bottom line making money.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I do think they want to win.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And I've said this before on the air, but I
also do think that for people that believe that dick about, The.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Bottom line is making money. I think that's more true
than not.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I think that's, you know, just, again, observing them over
the last 15, 20 years, I think that's more true.
It's more fact than fiction. Do I think that John
Stanton wants to wake up and win a World Series?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, I do. Do I think he craves it like
it's heir to him? No, I don't. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And, you know, look, again, maybe it's easy for guys
like me to say something like that because it's not
my money. And if it was my money, maybe I
would have a totally different mindset if it were my money.
But then you got guys like the Phillies owner coming
out saying things like nobody gives a damn how much
money I make.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They just want championships.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I want the owner of all of our teams,
whether the Sonics, Kraken, the Mariners, the Seahawks, whatever. People
in charge here at Washington, I want them to wake
up and say one thing to themselves every single day,
and that is, what are we doing today to win
a championship? Because championship equals money. And I don't think
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those guys wake up like that, Dick. I just don't.
And maybe it's because of their age. Maybe it's because
of where they are in their lives. Maybe they've got,
you know, other goals that they want to leave something behind.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I got no idea. I can't even speculate on why.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But I've been waiting for signs from this group and
this organization that the only thing that matters over everything
is winning a title. And if I don't get it,
I'm going to choke to death because I'm being deprived
of oxygen. I want them to feel like that, and
I don't think that they are. And I'm convinced that
they're not. And that just– it sours me and it
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puts me in a bad mood and also disappoints the
hell out of me.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Well, of the three elements that an owner should really
care about, one being– how much money they make, one
being how much they win, and one being what is
the fan experience like in your ballpark. I believe that
their priority list is fan experience, making money, and winning baseball.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, the only question is how much of a gap
is there between those three?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Because I do believe that the Mariners would spend a
little extra money to make the fan experience better. I
think that it's that important to them.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
But what I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Is, is it fan experience and then a huge gap
to making money and then a huge gap to winning?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Is it close? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
We can only go based upon what they've told us.
And what they have told us is that they don't
spend money in free agency. That has been based on
their action, based on their action. And they've told us
what their goal is. And their goal is to be
competitive year after year after year. They don't use the
word championships like the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, the Seahawks have that big championship banner on
their championship expectations. Isn't that what the banner says inside
the BMAC? I mean, they don't use the word championship
when they talk about the Mariners. They use the word
competitive championship. And so what are you going to get
when your goal is being competitive? You're going to be
competitive more times than not. And that's what they've been
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over the last five.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Six years.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I do think it's a pretty amazing man, the contrast
between the Seahawks and the Mariners. And I think they
could learn a thing or two from them across the street.
And I, I would hope that they would, but I just, I,
I I've, I've questioned before and I don't think people
really understand sometimes what I mean when I say desire, right?
Like guys, all of us want to win, right? Like,
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Do you crave it, though? Do you wake up saying
it's the only thing to me that matters? Like, I
am willing to sacrifice personally to bring a championship to
my town. I am willing to sacrifice professionally. to bring
a championship to my town. It's the only thing that matters.
Nothing else even comes close besides winning a championship. And
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maybe there's few people left like that, Dick. Maybe there's
few owners and few executives and even few players left
in professional sports that believe and act like George Steinbrenner did.
back in the day where he would fire somebody at
the first crack of anything that leads him to believe
that you're doing this besides something else, besides winning a championship.
Maybe those people don't exist the way that they used
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to back in the day.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But that's what I want, right? Call me crazy. Call
me a lunatic. I don't give a damn. Call me
whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And I would love to have somebody in charge of
the Mariners one day that could operate like that. Hell,
Jody Allen's getting out of the Seahawks game. Maybe she
can get in the Mariner game.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
If she wants to go hop her butt over there
and teach those, you know, clowns a thing or two
about how to how to run and build a franchise
and operate a franchise and have culture and have leaders
and have accountability, because it is hard to watch. We're
talking off the air about Dan Jackson, you know, sitting
up there at the press conference, rocking back and forth,
staring at the ground like he just doesn't believe in himself,
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you know. And that's the thing that is really bothersome,
that you like Dan a lot as a guy, but
he's just he it looks like he's in over his head, right?
It looks like he doesn't belong there. And that's the
sad state of affairs.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I'm sorry, but my respect for Dan Wilson has gotten
to the point where I don't even want to call
him by his name. I just want to call him
the cliche factory. Cause like yesterday was the smallest. And
I mean like the tiptoe is small step in the, well, it's,
it's getting late in the season direction, but all he
does is you're right. He, he stares at in these
(28:07):
road interviews, he stares at the ground and he rocks
back and forth. And it's like, he's trying to come
up with the next cliche to say I'm done.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, I mean, I want him to go for a
couple reasons. One, because he's not a good manager. And two,
because I want to really like Dan Wilson again. I
want it to be Dan Wilson, Mariner legend again when
he's introduced 10 years from now to throw out a
first pitch at a game.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Don't you think fans will separate that? I hope that
they do. I hope that they do.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
After time, they will, absolutely. Because Mariner fans like Dan
Wilson as a person. So I think they'll easily be
able to separate.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, I mean, he's part of some of the most
fantastic teams in baseball history. But I think this is
just another example that just because you're a good player
and you were known as a great piece on a
great team doesn't mean that you can coach.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I mean, it's been that way forever, right? I mean,
a lot of guys, superstars, have tried it. And it
just hasn't worked out, man. All right, we're going to break.
A little fun with audio. And then Bill Kruger at 4,
Hugh Millen at 5. We're live at UW getting ready
for the Apple Cup on Sunday. We do have some
tickets to give.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Away, by the way.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I got four pairs of seats for the Apple Cup
to give away. We'll find a way to do that
at some point today on 93.3 KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (29:53):
All right, boys and girls, we are back here inside
Husky Stadium getting ready for the Apple Cup on Sunday.
105 kickoff for those that want it down to the
actual minute. 105 kickoff on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Hey, good job you said Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Nice job.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'll screw up.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I guarantee you. Apple Cup coming Saturday, 105. See, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Here we go. A little fun with audio slash. Hey,
did you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen to
hear that? What's that, Dick? Starting the NFL, by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Our old friend Cam Ward, the former Washington State Cougar quarterback,
Miami Hurricane quarterback, incarnate word quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Before the Titans' final preseason game, Sirius XM radio host
Jared Stillman said, asked Tennessee quarterback Cam Ward about how
he would assess his play throughout August.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Here's how that interaction went.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
How would you, how would Cam Ward assess the way
Cam Ward has played so far this preseason?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
How would you assess it?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Not well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You don't think so?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
I don't think so. I'm glad you don't think so.
That's good.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
How would you assess it?
Speaker 7 (31:01):
You know, I assess it as, you know, Do we
win the game or do we lose the game? I
assess it as what I can get better at. I
don't assess it as someone who can get up there
and operate when everything's on. It's a different process level.
So it's more of slowing down the game to everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I love the answer the guy gave. How would you
assess it?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Not well.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean, I love asking questions like that. Never mind
what I think. Never mind what people think. You're your
biggest critic.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What do you think? That's right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean, Cam Ward is a long list of players
that if you would have gotten drafted with the San
Francisco 49ers, the Kansas City Chiefs, you name the top
ten teams, would his career be significantly different? And the
answer is probably yes.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Is this his second year? Is that right, Cam Ward? Third.
Third year already? God, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I thought it was his second year. But either way,
I think you're right. Second year? This is his second year.
He was a rookie last year, right. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But you're right that how many guys end up in
the wrong spots and they just don't get coached.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I mean, people at Wazoo will tell you that Cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Was kind of a jackass when he was there. as
far as a leader perspective. So I'm not surprised to
hear him snapping at somebody. But does he have the
mental fortitude to be a great leader? Do people want
to follow him in the NFL? And I think the
question of how have you played so far in the
preseason is a fine one.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean, just be honest. I haven't played well. Here's
what I got to do better.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I mean, it kind of makes it sound like guys
like that are getting no coaching whatsoever from PR people
in the NFL, or they just don't give a damn.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Well, again, it's the franchises that get it and the
franchises that don't. And we're just really lucky that we
have a franchise that does. Because, I mean, these teams
will just rush the guy in, make him the starter
right away, save our franchise, and that is the quickest
way to kill a young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that? What's that, Dick?
All right, let's go to college football.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
USC, you may have seen this, USC, Fresno State, by
the way, or excuse me, San Jose State, over the
weekend had their season opener, just over 51,000, the Trojans'
lowest attendance since 2018, and their lowest under head coach
Lincoln Riley. The school put out a statement responding to
the low number, and Paul Feinbaum reacted to it on
ESPN's first take earlier today.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Quote, we understand the factors that impacted Saturday's attendance. We
have high expectations in the premier home schedule this season,
and we know the competitive advantage an electric Coliseum atmosphere
can provide our program. We thank our fans who showed
up Saturday and look forward to seeing increased attendance the
rest of the season.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
First of all, there is no way a human being
at Southern Cal put out that pile of garbage. That
had to be AI generated because no sane person at
the University of Southern California would say that. And by
the way, that 51,000, it looked like about 25,000. I've
been around sports a long time. When you have nobody
(33:59):
at the game, you tend to.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Exaggerate whatever you have.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
That is a downright disgrace.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, first of all, I was talking to a PR
person this morning, a long-time PR person. You know what
I would have done, by the way, about the attendance
and the statement they put out?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Nothing. Just let it be. You know why Paul Feinbaum's
talking about it?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Because they made a statement.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Because they made a statement. That's exactly right. I mean,
just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, it was all over social media, the picture.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
The picture was all over social media before the statement.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
The crowd stunk. Just let it be. Let it be.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And then guess what? By tomorrow, something else will take
its spot, and they'll yell about that. I just think
that you're putting gas on the fire if you address
it and try to talk your way out of why
the attendance was so bad at the Coliseum. Did you
see the Hawaii Stanford crowd over the weekend? There's more
people in this booth, by the way. There's only two
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people in here, me and Dick. You think Stanford said anything? No,
of course not, because they're used to having... terrible crowds.
But I just think it's the changing nature of college football, Dick.
They are pushing the calendar up early August even more
so than they have been in years past.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
The teams that you're playing in August are terrible, right?
I mean, they're bad games. They're bad opponents. There's nothing
attractive about it. So I wouldn't have said a damn
thing if I were you.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I almost see with the becoming a two-conference college football
world where your games from your conference games are just
better than they.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The quality of play and the quality of game are
just better than what they used to be.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I almost see us going into this almost preseason September, right? Sure, sure.
Where it doesn't even feel like a regular season game.
And I think we're going to get to that point,
especially when we have the crossover and the Huskies are
playing Tennessee. I know they're playing them a couple of years.
Huskies are going to play South Carolina or Alabama in
a crossover game. It's going to make those other two
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non-conference games feel like preseason.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Right, yeah. I mean, eventually everything's in context, right?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
But I do think that one thing we've noticed about
this Big Ten schedule versus the Pac-12 schedule... There's way
more big games in conference than ever before.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Absolutely. I mean, Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Oregon, Nebraska, USC.
It's awesome. In one year.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And it's still so fresh that it feels like a
lot of these games kind of feel like non-conference games
because most of them are coming here for the first
time in, like, forever. Penn State hasn't been here for, like,
100 years, and they're coming here this year.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Hey, Dick, did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
What's that, Dick?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
The Yankees crushed the Red Sox 16-1 yesterday. In the
eighth inning with the Yankees leading 7-1, Jazz Chisholm stole
two bases when he was not getting held on. Boston's
WEEI radio broadcasters Will Fleming and Will Middlebrooks did not
appreciate Jazz's behavior.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Chisholm's doing it again.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
By the way, look, you're up six. It's the eighth.
The team is electing not to hold you on. That's
the white flag, right? And normally in that situation, you
don't run.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You don't run.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Wouldn't you sort of like to see Moran drill Wells
right here?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That's selfish play, right? That's just padding your stats. Well,
he's a Bush league player.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But guess what? I mean, it's not even a steal.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Here's the pitch, and it's swung on and missed.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I think that's indifference, don't you?
Speaker 11 (37:14):
Yeah, it's just, you know, one of the unwritten rules, like,
if we're holding you on, sure, if you get a jump, go.
But if I'm going to play behind you at first base,
that's us just saying, just play the game.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Well, that's who Jazz is. I don't know what else
you need to hear. The 3-2 is drilled into right field.
It is way back in. It is gone.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And Marantz should fight.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
He's walking towards the third base line, staring.
Speaker 10 (37:36):
At him there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He plays the game the wrong way. Wow, called him
a Bush League player.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, you know who agrees with that is our buddy
Dave Sampson. Remember, he was on the air with us
and said, don't touch him with a 10-foot pole. And
maybe the Yankees can overcome it because they're the Yankees, right?
But for a team like the Mariners, it may have been.
Can you imagine if Jazz Chisholm was on this team
right now and they were struggling the way they are?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Oh, boy.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, that would have been entertaining as hell, number one.
And number two, maybe they would not be struggling if
Jazz Chisholm were here. But I do agree with Middlebrooks.
that it is kind of a douchey move. If you're
down or up 7-1, the game's over, the opponent's not
holding you on, it is a little bit of a
D-bag move to go rip off second base. And oh,
by the way, the idea of drilling a guy and
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getting into.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
A fight with a guy, you know who else is
saying that stuff? The dugout.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They're saying the exact same thing as the broadcasters are.
But it's okay for them to say it, but God
forbid we repeat that in public and the whole planet
stops spinning.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Well, they're waving the white flag.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Isn't that the same as when a You know, you
get Leo Rivas coming into a game, and you're.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Still swinging the bat trying to get runs.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I mean, I guess you could just stand there
and just take three strikes and go. I mean, at
some point you've got to play the game. Like, the
game has to continue. There's nothing about Jazz Chisholm stealing
second base that needs to happen. If I'm standing at
home plate with a bat in my hand and you're
pitching to me, I kind of have no choice.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I've got to play, right?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
He could just say the hell with it. So I
don't know, man. I just think there's all these unwritten rules,
and that's kind of one of them. But, you know, Dick,
I'm old enough to know that unwritten rules for a
lot of people don't mean squat.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
We're going to break. Bill Kruger going to join next
on 93.3 KJRFM.
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