September 10, 2026 • 34 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Mike Holmgren about the Seahawks season starting up yesterday with a win over the Patriots, Sam Darnold going down with an injury on the first drive and Drew Lock stepping in, plus we have a second edition of Fun with Audio focusing on funny sound from the Patriots’ losing side.
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Speaker 4 (01:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, we just thought of all the things you've accomplished
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This has got to be up there. Well, first of all,
it's great to have you back with us this year.
Great to hear your voice, man. And why don't we
just first of all by talk about honestly how difficult
what the Seahawks did, what Mike McDonald did last night
to lose Sam Darnold on the first drive of the
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game of the year and then have Drew Locke come in. And,
you know, not light up the box score, but not
make a killer mistake that would put his defense in
harm's way. And to win a game like that against
the reigning AFC champions, can you put into words just
how difficult that was to do last night for them?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
No, what they accomplished last night was very, very special.
A couple things, though, Dave. I think Drew Locke, first
of all, if you had to do it with a quarterback,
a second quarterback in the league this year, he's the
guy I would do it with. I really think he's
a really good player. And even though he hasn't worked
with the tough thing, he hadn't practiced, he hadn't worked
with the first unit very much, but he did get
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some preseason work. So he was somewhat ready to play.
But it's still a shock when your starting quarterback goes down.
You know, it happened to me when I was an
assistant coach of the 49ers and Joe Montana got hurt.
I remember going in saying, gee, this is my first
time in the league, and I get to have Joe
Montana as my quarterback. I'm going to be famous, you know.
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And then he gets hurt. And so the backup quarterback
has to go in and play. And he did a
really good job. You know, Jeff Kemp did a wonderful job.
But it's hard. It is really hard. And to do
it against New England. And New England, I thought it
would be a close game, though. New England is, as
a good football team, they're well coached. And unfortunately, their
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young quarterback kind of fell apart at the end for them.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Well, Coach, imagine if that happened in your first game
ever calling plays. You've got your starter for five plays,
and then he goes out.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So put yourself in Brian Fleury's shoes last night.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
What do you think he was going through? And evaluate
the job he did under the circumstances.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I think he did a great job under the
circumstances because it is a gut punch. That happens, and
you're thinking on the sideline, You're going, oh, now what
are we going to do? Okay, now how is he
going to handle this? Do I change what my thinking
was going into the game and all the preparation you
do and setting up plays and so on? But, you
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know what, guys, I think they just stuck with it.
I think they just went with it. I thought a
little bit conservative early, but that's understandable. But then, no,
they stuck with it. And, you know, the thing they
can do– They can do that. Why? Because their defense
is really good. And so when you have a defense
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that you have a lot of confidence in and the
other team is not going to score many points, you know,
then that makes it a little bit easier. But it
is hard when that happens. That hits you. It really does.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, Cooper Cupp said after the game, again, that he
took no reps at all. I mean, is that typical
that the backup quarterback would not get any reps? I mean,
like I'm going to take Cooper Cupp literally– no reps
for the first team, no reps, I guess, at all, period,
not even with a second team. I mean, can you
talk about that, like how those are distributed throughout the week?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, the starting quarterback is going to get the vast majority.
I wouldn't say when I did it, the backup quarterback
would get a series or two in practice. I never
did it where he didn't get anything. And so if
that is in fact what happened– then that even says
more about Duloc, in my opinion. But, no, I think
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you've got to give them a little taste of working
with the first unit for this very reason, for the
very reason what happened. You don't want it to happen,
but it could happen, and it happened last night. But
he still got through it, and they won the football game,
and they're off to a great start.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Coach, talk about Jadarian Price and what you thought about
him because I think that– There was one issue that
we had last night in the postgame, you and myself,
with Brian Fleury, was the fact that Price only got
10 carries in that whole football game, and he looked
pretty explosive to us.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You know, Dick, I felt exactly the same way. I'm
watching a game, and he popped that first run, and
I'm going, oh, wow, okay, this guy's going to be
fun to watch. And then he was in the first series,
and I believe, I could be wrong about this, but
I believe he wasn't in on the second, you know,
wasn't in on the second series or the third series.
And then I'm going, what are they doing? Did he
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get hurt? You know, why? So I couldn't agree with
you more. He is really, I think, has a chance
to be really good. And, you know, give him the ball.
Give him the ball. Now, I would say this. The
injury thing and how they practice and how they do
that is different than when I was coaching. You know,
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Sean Alexander, as an example, you know, would wind up
carrying the ball 28, 30 times a game.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
And then.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Mo Morris would go in there just if he got tired.
And so it's different now. Every team, most teams, play
with two backs. They're two column starters, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, I just think, and I was texting with you
during the game about they got to the 13-yard line
before that first field goal late in the third quarter.
And I live in a world, Mike, where I constantly
hear things in my head, okay? And one of the
things that I always hear in my head is you
saying when you get to the red zone, every pass should.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Be to the end zone, every single one.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And yet they're running toss Halani right, handoff Halani right.
Then they finally throw it and they score a Cooper Cup,
but they lose it because of the illegal formation penalty.
I thought they got a little bit conservative down there
before they took that first field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Did you think that as well? And why do you
think maybe that was?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, I thought of it as well because you're right,
and I probably said that too much to emphasize it
to you because sometimes you didn't listen to me, and
I wanted you to hear what I was saying. I'm sorry,
what was that? You know, but he, listen, I think
you get down to the red zone. If you get
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in there to that area, you have a field goal
in your pocket. It's in the pocket. Yeah, 100%. Go
for it. Go for it. And, you know, I thought
they got a little conservative myself.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, how about third and five at the Seattle 16
with 26 seconds left to go, and your quarterback rolls out,
throws off his back foot, and throws a pick when
you've got the game-tying field goal in your pocket.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What did you think about that, Coach?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, you know, you two guys know me pretty well.
I think I would have been a little upset with that.
You know, the idea of knowing the situation. And, again,
I just said it. He had a field goal. They
had a field goal probably in their pocket for a tie.
And that was going to go into overtime. And then to, okay,
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so he was forced out of the pocket and he
was off balance. So what do you do? You throw
it away, kick the field goal, and now you're still
having a football game. What he did was, And I
like Drake May, and I thought in the beginning he
made some beautiful throws. I mean, he really can't throw
the ball. But then all of a sudden, some of
the decisions he made, and that one was obviously highlighted,
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but some of the decisions he made, you can't do that.
You can't do that. So that would be in my
meetings with the quarterback after that football game. I mean,
we got another game to play and all that, but
you cannot do that. Now eliminate that from your– and listen,
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I gave– you think I ever gave a speech to
Brett Favre? Yes. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Many times.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm just– I'm actually– I am getting nervous right now,
and I'm uncomfortable just thinking about what that conversation would
have been like between you and Drake May.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And it didn't even happen. Like there's an alternate universe
where you're just grinding your teeth.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And digging your fingers into his neck and staring at
him with that mustache. I mean you know they had
a cut block on DeMarcus Lawrence Mike on the right
side with Morgan Moses actually both tackles had cut blocks.
I'm wondering why that was, number one, if that's unique
that both tackles would do that. And then how much
did Demarcus Lawrence actually impact that play by jumping over
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Morgan Moses and getting into Drake May's face?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, he did. He should receive as much credit as
anybody because he obviously made the quarterback throw off balance.
He created that situation for the quarterback. But what that
told me that the play was designed to get the
ball out of his hands quickly because oftentimes, you know, yeah,
it disrupts when you try and cut block the defensive player,
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it disrupts them. Yeah. But oftentimes he doesn't last disrupt,
you know, he gets up or he jumps over like
he did and he can still cause a problem for
the quarterback if the quarterback is holding the ball too long.
So I think it was designed to get the ball
out of his hands quickly and, uh, It did a
couple things. One, it made him hold the ball a
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little bit longer, and then it made him make the
bad throw.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
There's a big national disagreement over how good Drake May is, Coach.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
And Softie and I were talking about it earlier on
the show, but it's being talked about everywhere right now,
and it has been even in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What's your evaluation of him?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Well, you know what? I haven't seen him very much.
But like I said, early in the football game, there
were some throws there. He completed square outs and stuff against–
You know, good corners. The Seahawks have good corners. And
it was really nice throws, good throws. To me, he
can really pass the ball well. Now, you know, and
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he runs. I mean, he can get first downs for you.
So physically, physically, I think he's got a really bright future, Dick.
I really do. Having said that, you can't do what
you did last night. You can't. And it starts there.
You get quarterbacks without the ability, the physical ability, but
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really smart guys who really kind of have things under
control and don't make the big mistake. You know, that's
where you have to start. You have to be smart,
and you can't make that big mistake in situations like that.
But I think he's got a bright future. I really do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, Mike Holmgren's with us. And, Mike, let's say Darnold's
going to be out for a while. Do they adjust
anything with Drew, or does Drew just step in and
just get asked to do everything that Sam Darnold was
going to be asked to do himself?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
You know what? I don't think they're going to change much, Dave.
I really don't. I think that it's not like he's
a third-year player or a second-year player. He's been around.
He's been in the league a long time. And so
the amount of offense you can insert into the game,
I think he'll understand it. He'll do it. he probably
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has some plays that he likes that are special plays
for him that maybe Sam didn't like or whatever. So
those plays are going to be in, but you're going
to see basically the same stuff. And I hope, you know,
we thought they were a little conservative last night. I
hope they approach it a little differently, you know, that
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let him play, cut him loose, you know, and then
because he can run too, you know, he can do that. So,
Like I said, I think if you have to go
with your second guy, he's the best guy right now
in the league, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But how long before the dam breaks without Sam Darnold?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I mean, yeah, we like Drew Locke, but I don't
think anybody thinks this is a Super Bowl championship team
without Sam Darnold. So how long can you just go
without your starter before it's too late?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, I think a lot will depend on what happens
this first game, I think. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, he'll get a chance to do the things
we talked about. I don't think they're going to change
a lot. And they'll run their offense. How does he
handle that? How does he play against that? Now, but
you're right, Dick. I mean, it's inconceivable almost that you
could lose your starting quarterback who was, you know, has
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won 14 games in the last two years in the
regular season. And then your team's the same. It's not
the same. but the other teams now, the other guys
have to step up. The running back has to step up.
The receivers, other than Njigma, have to be part of
this thing. Last night, he was the only one that
really made any sort of an effort in receiving because
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he's the only one that caught the ball and the
only one they threw it to. Those things have to
happen too. Their defense is going to be their defense.
That also is a positive thing for the team, but
It's hard. It's hard when you lose your starter.
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So let's say Sam does come back, and he comes
back rather quickly. I don't know if you ever played
with a hip injury before this, I mean, I've tweaked
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my hip on the golf course, but I'm not a
finely tuned athlete the way Sam is, obviously. Sure you are.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah. Do you worry.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
About that thing lingering and what that does to him
as a quarterback, his movement in the pocket, his ability
to get any, you know, juice on a ball? I mean,
he's going to come back at some point, but does
the hip injury lingering, does that concern you?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, it does a little bit. I mean, although as
long as they don't come back too soon. You know,
we want them to come back, and we want to
see them play. And I think I read that he's
going to miss next week's game, but then he'll come
back for the following week. But then the doctors, and
they have great doctors. I know them very well. They
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have to be really sure that that thing, whatever it is,
is healed up. You know, one quick story when I
was in it. playing in the North-South Shrine game in
high school, you know, when Jim Plunkett and I were
the quarterbacks, I got hit in practice in my hip
by a safety. I don't know why he hit me
because we were on the same team, but he hit
me in my hip, and I missed three or four
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days of that practice because I just couldn't walk. And
so it is a part of your body that you
need if you play the position. There's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Coach, I've got to ask you about what's going on
in Australia tonight and what you would do if you
were the head coach of a football team that had
to travel all the way to Melbourne to play a
football game. The Niners left basically in May, and the
Rams left yesterday. So which would you lean towards, getting
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there as late as you could or as early as
you could?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, I'd lean towards as early as you could. part
of the 49ers preseason games, they didn't count. You know,
in Germany and in England and from San Francisco, you know,
those are long flights. Nothing like, you know, this is
the longest one. But we left, you were there a week.
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And so you were able to, you get in there
and you guys have done it too. You fly in
these long, go to Europe or something, and then it
takes a day or two to kind of get your bearings.
And then you're okay. So I would lean towards that way.
I don't know. I heard that Sean McVay told the
guys they had to stay up for 20 hours. They
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couldn't go to sleep. Are you going to follow them around?
Someone's going to sleep. But really the tough part is
if they had to play another game the following week,
the recovery time when you come back, you guys know this,
the recovery time when you come back from a trip
like that, it takes some time. to come back to normal.
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It just does. Well, that's the amazing thing. I would
go over there early.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's the crazy thing to me, guys, is that, I mean,
I'm assuming that both teams have sleep experts, travel experts, whatever,
that are telling them one side's experts are saying go late.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
One side's experts are saying go early. Right?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So you got these experts on both sides of the
ball saying, that are saying totally different things. I mean,
I think the next RAM game is against the Giants
on September 21st.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's a Monday. So they do get the extra day.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But, you know, look, I mean, they get one less
day because they've got to play on Thursday versus Wednesday.
So the whole thing to me is wacky. But, Mike,
I've got to ask you about the new owners before
we go. The Kosla family, right? Neil, Vinod, Neera had
a press conference yesterday, said all the right things. But
if you were coaching this football team and all of
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a sudden there's a brand new owner, what would be
a few things that you would be curious about, about
the new ownership group when they did eventually take over?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, their involvement is the number one thing. You know,
when I first came here, and was with Paul Allen
and met him for the first time. And I wasn't
with him every day, but, you know, we developed a relationship.
And I found myself, I could talk to him. And,
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you know, we could talk football, but he handed me
the football. He didn't want to, you know, it's not
like Jerry Jones really kind of trying to get in
there and do some stuff. There are some owners that
are like that, that they want to get in there
and maybe not interfere too much, but throw in an idea,
throw in this, talk about a player, and history has
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shown teams are better off if they don't do that.
And so that would be the number one thing. And
I think I didn't hear, but it seems to me
in the stuff I have read, that they, as a family,
they're just going to hand the reins over to John
and to Mike and go from there.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, no, they're not even moving up here, right? None
of them are going to move up here.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Really is, at least for now, going to be a
hands-off approach as far as the day-to-day stuff, no doubt.
All right, Mike, great stuff. Good to have you back,
and we will talk in a week, all right?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Thanks, Coach.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
All right, bud. Hey, take care, guys. Good to talk
with you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
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Speaker 8 (21:25):
It was something where we had a certain protection on,
we were cutting, and I was trying to get rid
of it, and We realized Mack was back there in
the back and didn't put enough on it to get
it out, and it was just unacceptable. We had a
chance to send it to overtime at the worst, and
the only thing he could do was turn the ball
over and sweat it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know, that throw that Drake made last night is
a throw that you make when you're down seven, by
the way, not down three with the ball at whatever
yard line it was last night. It was a desperation heave,
and I'm sorry that I want to give Josh Jobe
all the credit because the toe tap was awesome, obviously.
But I feel like the stronger emotion for me about
the interception is, what the hell was he doing?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's the stronger emotion for me.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And it shouldn't be because Josh Jobe is our guy,
but that's Drake May talking about the interception last night
that he threw.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How about this? Have you heard this yet, by the way, Dick?
I've heard some, but not all.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, on the Patriots radio broadcast yesterday, is it Bob Sochi, Jackson?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Bob Sochi. and our friend Scott Zolak, who we hooked
up with in San Francisco back in February. This is
the way that final interception sounded on Patriots Radio in Boston.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ball's on the right hash mark of the 16.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Against the Seahawks defense that tormented the quarterback a year
ago in the Super Bowl. Now a third down and
six fourth coming from the Seahawks 16. Shotgun snap to May.
He's looking right. He's pressing off balance throw to.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
The right and he throws an intercept to the end zone.
What was he thinking? Ball picked off on the right
side of the end zone. Seattle has it with.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
A You did the thing you don't do. You should
have learned from the previous two.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Got to be kidding me, man.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Oh, Drake.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Left foot came down. The toe tap with a right foot.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
Eight picks all of last year. Three already here in
one half. You're well within field goal range.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Three ugly, ugly interceptions.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
There.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Quarterback was out. You got control of this game. You
have 10 zip. You got a 10-3. You're driving through
the pick. And another bad pick on an awful force
one down the middle. And an inexcusable one right there
at the end. I mean, you're third and sixth. You're
trying to win the game. That wasn't a final play.
Just throw it up, too. That's a killer.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's going to sit with you for ten days now.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Sickening.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The absolute number one rule in that situation. I think
you cannot do it. He's speechless.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, I'm trying to compare it to something we've
been a part of, and there's only one thing that
comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I'm not going to talk about that. Yeah, we won't
talk about that. You guys know what it is. I
talk about it too much. Yeah. I don't want you
to hit me. Knock it off. But it's just pure idiocy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And if that was our team, how pissed off we'd
be right now that our quarterback did something like that.
Can you imagine if Sam Darnold did that? We'd be like, well,
he's back. Like, what the hell was that, Sam?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So, I don't know, man. I just, I think what
they did last night was gritty, gutty, the whole thing. Like,
we talked with Mike last segment, Dick. I don't think
people realize how hard that was to pull off. the
reigning AFC champions, guy that was second in the MVP.
You're down 10 zip. That's part of this, right?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And you do it with a backup quarterback. Hot damn, man.
Good for them.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And like I said in the first segment of the
show today, the rest of the NFL pissing their pants
after what the Seahawks did last night.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
I mean, I thought we were going to score a
touchdown before that procedure call to move them back, and
they were forced to kick the field goal. That place
would have been electric had we scored the touchdown and
would have been ahead in the game.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
The Cooper Cup touchdown.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yes, but instead, no, I'm talking about when we were
down at the two and then we had the five-yard penalty.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Correct, yes.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And I just felt like the crowd was totally into it,
but knowing that they only needed a field goal to tie,
it was kind of an apprehensive yell instead of like
a we got this yell had we scored the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And been ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
People were almost laughing at that. and are sexually, what
the hell's going on? This is supposed to be, we're
not supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And we're doing it. Are you kidding me? Can you
believe it?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Barstool founder Dave Portnoy reflecting on the Patriots loss in
a social media video.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
Only the first game, I don't know what those lights are,
only the first game of the season, but that was
tough to watch. Horrible game from Drake, that last throw, disgusting.
Play calling sucked most of the night, I thought, on offense.
The game was right there for the taking, obviously.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
It's only week one, but that was a.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
S * * * way to start the season.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Going to be a lot better than that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That was F-minus s * * *.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Brian Fleury whipping Josh McDaniels in his debut. Had never
called a game before in his life. And Fleury's looking
at McDaniels like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Know what your problem is, man. This is easy. He
had it. I just did it with a backup quarterback, pal.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Portnoy posted his bets online before the game.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Oh, I know. I saw that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
And it was like all Drake May overs, Patriot wins, A.J.
Brown overs. It was just– I can't even imagine how
much he lost.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But why?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What about Drake May's performance in the Super Bowl? What
even led you to think that? Because you signed A.J.
Brown and Romeo Dobbs wearing his Guardian cap out there?
I mean– The guy is a degenerate gambler. He's got
a problem, and he needs to call the number in
the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Whatever that number is, he's going to call it.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And he needs to stop betting on Michigan and the Patriots,
his two favorite teams.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, why don't we get a break? We got more, right, Jackson?
You got more here? There's more under the tree. We'll
get to it next on 93.3 KJRFM.
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Speaker 2 (27:29):
Real quick we should make some predictions on tonight's game.
I think the Rams are going down. I think they're
stupid for flying out there so late and the Niners
win tonight.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I took the Niners plus the points. I don't know
if they'll win straight up, but I like that number,
three and a half. I'm getting more in the field.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Jackson?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I'm going to say the Rams win, but it's by
what Dick said, less than three.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And massive amounts of injuries because they flew out there
so late. How about that? I mean, I'm fine with that, right?
I don't want anybody dead.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't want any long-term illnesses, but if Stafford wants
to tear a meniscus, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Displace a shoulder? I got no problem with that. Hey,
have you heard this, by the way? Barstool.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
has a self-proclaimed fat nerd named Grant Hogdale-Huckvale.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I've heard him.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
He does play-by-play for Red Sox and Patriots games on streaming.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, he hosted their DraftKings live stream reacting to the
game last night with fellow Patriot fans Mike Mutonski and
Jerry Thornton.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It sounds like something out of Stripes back in the day,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The three react here to Jackson Smith and Jigba's game-tying
touchdown in the fourth quarter yesterday.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Takes the snap. Takes the handoff. He's got a man open. Oh,
my God. And Jigba breaks this one open. He's won,
and he's going to be free. That's going to be
a touchdown. What is that, man? What is that breakdown?
Speaker 10 (28:46):
How do you leave Jackson Smith and Jigba that wide open?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That is just unacceptable, dude. That's insane. How the– where the–
is the man covering him. And there's nobody covering the.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Best receiver on the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What are we doing? One touch. You got one touch
there at the end. That's absurd. That is absurd. Unbelievable.
That's terrible.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I don't think I've ever seen a wide receiver go
from 0 to 60 faster than what he did last night.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Unbelievable. Remember the old Speedy Gonzalez cartoon back in the day? Bing!
And he's churning up dirt. He had four guys around him.
And he took off! And it was like he hit
the freaking turbo button, dude. That's exactly what I said
last night on the postgame show. Unbelievable, man.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I honestly don't know if I knew, Dick, that he
had that in i didn't need to go from zero
to 60 that quick he continues to impress me.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
More and more every time i see him i always
thought he was a good wide receiver and then i
thought well he's a very good ride receiver now i
think he's probably like a top two wide receiver in
the league.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Right well here's the same three hogdale mutanski and thornton
reacting on the barstool live stream to the final pass
of the game, the interception.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Six seconds on the play clock. Drake in the shotgun.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Use your feet, Drake.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Takes a snap.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Looks.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Use your feet, Drake.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Glows.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
End zone. And you can't. Terrible throw. It's a terrible throw.
It's a terrible throw.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Just third pick of the game. The worst thing he
could have done. The worst thing he could have done.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Literally the worst.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And the game's over.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Unforgivable. Wow.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Wow. No excuse.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You just can't do it. You just can't do that.
No excuses.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
You had three points on the board.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You don't get greedy.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You lit the game on fire. You had overtime right there. And, yeah,
you got both feet in. Unbelievable play.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just a terrible break in. You cannot throw that. You
can't throw it. You cannot throw that. Cannot throw it.
That's terrible, dude.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
That's maybe the worst Drake Mayhem I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You know, we're starting to collect.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
comeback coins or payback coins after what happened in Arizona
against these guys. I mean, the championship last year was great.
I would like them to feel what I felt, and
I want them to feel that pain, and I think
we're starting to kind of collect a few. I wouldn't
mind playing them again and having something else happen to them,
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but I think it's like 50 years of payback, 50
years of curses after what happened in 2014, so They're
starting to feel it. And you think about them, Dick,
just for a second. They go to the AFC Championship
game and they beat Denver. Then they play us. And
since that Super Bowl, the vibe around this Patriot team
and the quarterback has totally shifted. Like, Drake May finishes
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second in the MVP. Then they win. I mean, give
them credit, whatever. May not play great, but they win.
Now they're in the Super Bowl. And ever since the
Super Bowl started... The commentary and the perception of Drake
May from Boston's perspective is turning to the other side.
It's unbelievable what the last eight quarters have done. And
it's all because of them, the Seahawks. They're doing that.
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They got Boston in a tizzy. They got the Patriot
fans flipping out, man. They can't even walk and chew
gum at the same time because of us.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
And the coach had a hell of an offseason, too.
He sure did. Well, I think the first chip we
got was, remember Sunday Night Football? I think it was 2016.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Where Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Knocked the ball away from Rob Gronkowski that would have
tied the game at the.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
End of the game.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I mean, we got one in New England just, what,
18 months after losing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, it had to happen in the Super Bowl for
it to be official. That's correct. Like official official. That's correct.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now we got that. Now I just want blood. I
want blood and broken bones. I don't want to ever
let up on these guys.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Like ever in any sport. All right. We got time
for one more?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
How about this one? Mark Dondero. who was the host
on 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston. What we say
all week, if Drake May freaks out, Boston fans, radio,
they're going to start turning on him. They're going to
feel like they've got a problem with this guy. Mark
Dondero on 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston, analyzing Drake
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May's performance.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
They tried to hide him all night long with high
school plays, with the Zavarian playbook. High school. Swing pass,
little runs, roll outs to nowhere. High school football. The
second he had to make NFL plays or throws, he
was screwed. And he could not step up. And that
throw to end the game was disgusting. That was incomprehensible
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and disgusting. To even put the ball with that much
air under it in that situation, it was befuddling.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That was a joke. You cannot do that.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
He blew this.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Game, and he was bad all night.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I thought the only thing he produced all night was
high school-level plays. High school, science class, chemistry.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well, when they're 4-4 after eight games, they're going to
start turning on Vrabel, man. I guarantee it. They'll start
turning on Vrabel. They'll start turning on McDaniels. You lost
the Super Bowl. Your quarterback's regressing. You're screwing reporters.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
What are you doing, man?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I mean, this is going to turn into a mess
in Boston, and I am absolutely all for it.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
What's the Schadenfreude thing, whatever? I want to be covered
in Patriot Schadenfreude.
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
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This has got to be up there. Well, first of all,
it's great to have you back with us this year.
Great to hear your voice, man. And why don't we
just first of all by talk about honestly how difficult
what the Seahawks did, what Mike McDonald did last night
to lose Sam Darnold on the first drive of the
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game of the year and then have Drew Locke come in. And,
you know, not light up the box score, but not
make a killer mistake that would put his defense in
harm's way. And to win a game like that against
the reigning AFC champions, can you put into words just
how difficult that was to do last night for them?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
No, what they accomplished last night was very, very special.
A couple things, though, Dave. I think Drew Locke, first
of all, if you had to do it with a quarterback,
a second quarterback in the league this year, he's the
guy I would do it with. I really think he's
a really good player. And even though he hasn't worked
with the tough thing, he hadn't practiced, he hadn't worked
with the first unit very much, but he did get
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some preseason work. So he was somewhat ready to play.
But it's still a shock when your starting quarterback goes down.
You know, it happened to me when I was an
assistant coach of the 49ers and Joe Montana got hurt.
I remember going in saying, gee, this is my first
time in the league, and I get to have Joe
Montana as my quarterback. I'm going to be famous, you know.
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And then he gets hurt. And so the backup quarterback
has to go in and play. And he did a
really good job. You know, Jeff Kemp did a wonderful job.
But it's hard. It is really hard. And to do
it against New England. And New England, I thought it
would be a close game, though. New England is, as
a good football team, they're well coached. And unfortunately, their
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young quarterback kind of fell apart at the end for them.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Well, Coach, imagine if that happened in your first game
ever calling plays. You've got your starter for five plays,
and then he goes out.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So put yourself in Brian Fleury's shoes last night.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
What do you think he was going through? And evaluate
the job he did under the circumstances.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I think he did a great job under the
circumstances because it is a gut punch. That happens, and
you're thinking on the sideline, You're going, oh, now what
are we going to do? Okay, now how is he
going to handle this? Do I change what my thinking
was going into the game and all the preparation you
do and setting up plays and so on? But, you
(04:06):
know what, guys, I think they just stuck with it.
I think they just went with it. I thought a
little bit conservative early, but that's understandable. But then, no,
they stuck with it. And, you know, the thing they
can do– They can do that. Why? Because their defense
is really good. And so when you have a defense
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that you have a lot of confidence in and the
other team is not going to score many points, you know,
then that makes it a little bit easier. But it
is hard when that happens. That hits you. It really does.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, Cooper Cupp said after the game, again, that he
took no reps at all. I mean, is that typical
that the backup quarterback would not get any reps? I mean,
like I'm going to take Cooper Cupp literally– no reps
for the first team, no reps, I guess, at all, period,
not even with a second team. I mean, can you
talk about that, like how those are distributed throughout the week?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, the starting quarterback is going to get the vast majority.
I wouldn't say when I did it, the backup quarterback
would get a series or two in practice. I never
did it where he didn't get anything. And so if
that is in fact what happened– then that even says
more about Duloc, in my opinion. But, no, I think
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you've got to give them a little taste of working
with the first unit for this very reason, for the
very reason what happened. You don't want it to happen,
but it could happen, and it happened last night. But
he still got through it, and they won the football game,
and they're off to a great start.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Coach, talk about Jadarian Price and what you thought about
him because I think that– There was one issue that
we had last night in the postgame, you and myself,
with Brian Fleury, was the fact that Price only got
10 carries in that whole football game, and he looked
pretty explosive to us.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
You know, Dick, I felt exactly the same way. I'm
watching a game, and he popped that first run, and
I'm going, oh, wow, okay, this guy's going to be
fun to watch. And then he was in the first series,
and I believe, I could be wrong about this, but
I believe he wasn't in on the second, you know,
wasn't in on the second series or the third series.
And then I'm going, what are they doing? Did he
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get hurt? You know, why? So I couldn't agree with
you more. He is really, I think, has a chance
to be really good. And, you know, give him the ball.
Give him the ball. Now, I would say this. The
injury thing and how they practice and how they do
that is different than when I was coaching. You know,
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Sean Alexander, as an example, you know, would wind up
carrying the ball 28, 30 times a game.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
And then.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Mo Morris would go in there just if he got tired.
And so it's different now. Every team, most teams, play
with two backs. They're two column starters, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, I just think, and I was texting with you
during the game about they got to the 13-yard line
before that first field goal late in the third quarter.
And I live in a world, Mike, where I constantly
hear things in my head, okay? And one of the
things that I always hear in my head is you
saying when you get to the red zone, every pass should.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Be to the end zone, every single one.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And yet they're running toss Halani right, handoff Halani right.
Then they finally throw it and they score a Cooper Cup,
but they lose it because of the illegal formation penalty.
I thought they got a little bit conservative down there
before they took that first field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Did you think that as well? And why do you
think maybe that was?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, I thought of it as well because you're right,
and I probably said that too much to emphasize it
to you because sometimes you didn't listen to me, and
I wanted you to hear what I was saying. I'm sorry,
what was that? You know, but he, listen, I think
you get down to the red zone. If you get
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in there to that area, you have a field goal
in your pocket. It's in the pocket. Yeah, 100%. Go
for it. Go for it. And, you know, I thought
they got a little conservative myself.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, how about third and five at the Seattle 16
with 26 seconds left to go, and your quarterback rolls out,
throws off his back foot, and throws a pick when
you've got the game-tying field goal in your pocket.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What did you think about that, Coach?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, you know, you two guys know me pretty well.
I think I would have been a little upset with that.
You know, the idea of knowing the situation. And, again,
I just said it. He had a field goal. They
had a field goal probably in their pocket for a tie.
And that was going to go into overtime. And then to, okay,
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so he was forced out of the pocket and he
was off balance. So what do you do? You throw
it away, kick the field goal, and now you're still
having a football game. What he did was, And I
like Drake May, and I thought in the beginning he
made some beautiful throws. I mean, he really can't throw
the ball. But then all of a sudden, some of
the decisions he made, and that one was obviously highlighted,
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but some of the decisions he made, you can't do that.
You can't do that. So that would be in my
meetings with the quarterback after that football game. I mean,
we got another game to play and all that, but
you cannot do that. Now eliminate that from your– and listen,
(09:36):
I gave– you think I ever gave a speech to
Brett Favre? Yes. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Many times.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm just– I'm actually– I am getting nervous right now,
and I'm uncomfortable just thinking about what that conversation would
have been like between you and Drake May.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And it didn't even happen. Like there's an alternate universe
where you're just grinding your teeth.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And digging your fingers into his neck and staring at
him with that mustache. I mean you know they had
a cut block on DeMarcus Lawrence Mike on the right
side with Morgan Moses actually both tackles had cut blocks.
I'm wondering why that was, number one, if that's unique
that both tackles would do that. And then how much
did Demarcus Lawrence actually impact that play by jumping over
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Morgan Moses and getting into Drake May's face?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, he did. He should receive as much credit as
anybody because he obviously made the quarterback throw off balance.
He created that situation for the quarterback. But what that
told me that the play was designed to get the
ball out of his hands quickly because oftentimes, you know, yeah,
it disrupts when you try and cut block the defensive player,
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it disrupts them. Yeah. But oftentimes he doesn't last disrupt,
you know, he gets up or he jumps over like
he did and he can still cause a problem for
the quarterback if the quarterback is holding the ball too long.
So I think it was designed to get the ball
out of his hands quickly and, uh, It did a
couple things. One, it made him hold the ball a
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little bit longer, and then it made him make the
bad throw.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
There's a big national disagreement over how good Drake May is, Coach.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
And Softie and I were talking about it earlier on
the show, but it's being talked about everywhere right now,
and it has been even in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What's your evaluation of him?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Well, you know what? I haven't seen him very much.
But like I said, early in the football game, there
were some throws there. He completed square outs and stuff against–
You know, good corners. The Seahawks have good corners. And
it was really nice throws, good throws. To me, he
can really pass the ball well. Now, you know, and
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he runs. I mean, he can get first downs for you.
So physically, physically, I think he's got a really bright future, Dick.
I really do. Having said that, you can't do what
you did last night. You can't. And it starts there.
You get quarterbacks without the ability, the physical ability, but
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really smart guys who really kind of have things under
control and don't make the big mistake. You know, that's
where you have to start. You have to be smart,
and you can't make that big mistake in situations like that.
But I think he's got a bright future. I really do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, Mike Holmgren's with us. And, Mike, let's say Darnold's
going to be out for a while. Do they adjust
anything with Drew, or does Drew just step in and
just get asked to do everything that Sam Darnold was
going to be asked to do himself?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
You know what? I don't think they're going to change much, Dave.
I really don't. I think that it's not like he's
a third-year player or a second-year player. He's been around.
He's been in the league a long time. And so
the amount of offense you can insert into the game,
I think he'll understand it. He'll do it. he probably
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has some plays that he likes that are special plays
for him that maybe Sam didn't like or whatever. So
those plays are going to be in, but you're going
to see basically the same stuff. And I hope, you know,
we thought they were a little conservative last night. I
hope they approach it a little differently, you know, that
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let him play, cut him loose, you know, and then
because he can run too, you know, he can do that. So,
Like I said, I think if you have to go
with your second guy, he's the best guy right now
in the league, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But how long before the dam breaks without Sam Darnold?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I mean, yeah, we like Drew Locke, but I don't
think anybody thinks this is a Super Bowl championship team
without Sam Darnold. So how long can you just go
without your starter before it's too late?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, I think a lot will depend on what happens
this first game, I think. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, he'll get a chance to do the things
we talked about. I don't think they're going to change
a lot. And they'll run their offense. How does he
handle that? How does he play against that? Now, but
you're right, Dick. I mean, it's inconceivable almost that you
could lose your starting quarterback who was, you know, has
(14:12):
won 14 games in the last two years in the
regular season. And then your team's the same. It's not
the same. but the other teams now, the other guys
have to step up. The running back has to step up.
The receivers, other than Njigma, have to be part of
this thing. Last night, he was the only one that
really made any sort of an effort in receiving because
(14:38):
he's the only one that caught the ball and the
only one they threw it to. Those things have to
happen too. Their defense is going to be their defense.
That also is a positive thing for the team, but
It's hard. It's hard when you lose your starter.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
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We'll talk with Mike.
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So let's say Sam does come back, and he comes
back rather quickly. I don't know if you ever played
with a hip injury before this, I mean, I've tweaked
(15:18):
my hip on the golf course, but I'm not a
finely tuned athlete the way Sam is, obviously. Sure you are.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah. Do you worry.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
About that thing lingering and what that does to him
as a quarterback, his movement in the pocket, his ability
to get any, you know, juice on a ball? I mean,
he's going to come back at some point, but does
the hip injury lingering, does that concern you?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, it does a little bit. I mean, although as
long as they don't come back too soon. You know,
we want them to come back, and we want to
see them play. And I think I read that he's
going to miss next week's game, but then he'll come
back for the following week. But then the doctors, and
they have great doctors. I know them very well. They
(16:06):
have to be really sure that that thing, whatever it is,
is healed up. You know, one quick story when I
was in it. playing in the North-South Shrine game in
high school, you know, when Jim Plunkett and I were
the quarterbacks, I got hit in practice in my hip
by a safety. I don't know why he hit me
because we were on the same team, but he hit
me in my hip, and I missed three or four
(16:28):
days of that practice because I just couldn't walk. And
so it is a part of your body that you
need if you play the position. There's no question about it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Coach, I've got to ask you about what's going on
in Australia tonight and what you would do if you
were the head coach of a football team that had
to travel all the way to Melbourne to play a
football game. The Niners left basically in May, and the
Rams left yesterday. So which would you lean towards, getting
(17:06):
there as late as you could or as early as
you could?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, I'd lean towards as early as you could. part
of the 49ers preseason games, they didn't count. You know,
in Germany and in England and from San Francisco, you know,
those are long flights. Nothing like, you know, this is
the longest one. But we left, you were there a week.
(17:30):
And so you were able to, you get in there
and you guys have done it too. You fly in
these long, go to Europe or something, and then it
takes a day or two to kind of get your bearings.
And then you're okay. So I would lean towards that way.
I don't know. I heard that Sean McVay told the
guys they had to stay up for 20 hours. They
(17:51):
couldn't go to sleep. Are you going to follow them around?
Someone's going to sleep. But really the tough part is
if they had to play another game the following week,
the recovery time when you come back, you guys know this,
the recovery time when you come back from a trip
like that, it takes some time. to come back to normal.
(18:13):
It just does. Well, that's the amazing thing. I would
go over there early.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's the crazy thing to me, guys, is that, I mean,
I'm assuming that both teams have sleep experts, travel experts, whatever,
that are telling them one side's experts are saying go late.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
One side's experts are saying go early. Right?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So you got these experts on both sides of the
ball saying, that are saying totally different things. I mean,
I think the next RAM game is against the Giants
on September 21st.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's a Monday. So they do get the extra day.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But, you know, look, I mean, they get one less
day because they've got to play on Thursday versus Wednesday.
So the whole thing to me is wacky. But, Mike,
I've got to ask you about the new owners before
we go. The Kosla family, right? Neil, Vinod, Neera had
a press conference yesterday, said all the right things. But
if you were coaching this football team and all of
(19:10):
a sudden there's a brand new owner, what would be
a few things that you would be curious about, about
the new ownership group when they did eventually take over?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, their involvement is the number one thing. You know,
when I first came here, and was with Paul Allen
and met him for the first time. And I wasn't
with him every day, but, you know, we developed a relationship.
And I found myself, I could talk to him. And,
(19:41):
you know, we could talk football, but he handed me
the football. He didn't want to, you know, it's not
like Jerry Jones really kind of trying to get in
there and do some stuff. There are some owners that
are like that, that they want to get in there
and maybe not interfere too much, but throw in an idea,
throw in this, talk about a player, and history has
(20:06):
shown teams are better off if they don't do that.
And so that would be the number one thing. And
I think I didn't hear, but it seems to me
in the stuff I have read, that they, as a family,
they're just going to hand the reins over to John
and to Mike and go from there.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, no, they're not even moving up here, right? None
of them are going to move up here.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Really is, at least for now, going to be a
hands-off approach as far as the day-to-day stuff, no doubt.
All right, Mike, great stuff. Good to have you back,
and we will talk in a week, all right?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Thanks, Coach.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
All right, bud. Hey, take care, guys. Good to talk
with you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
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Speaker 3 (20:53):
Get a break.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We're going to have a little fun with the Patriots-Seahawks
game at the Boston Sports Radio and Patriots Expense next
on 93.3 KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
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Speaker 8 (21:25):
It was something where we had a certain protection on,
we were cutting, and I was trying to get rid
of it, and We realized Mack was back there in
the back and didn't put enough on it to get
it out, and it was just unacceptable. We had a
chance to send it to overtime at the worst, and
the only thing he could do was turn the ball
over and sweat it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know, that throw that Drake made last night is
a throw that you make when you're down seven, by
the way, not down three with the ball at whatever
yard line it was last night. It was a desperation heave,
and I'm sorry that I want to give Josh Jobe
all the credit because the toe tap was awesome, obviously.
But I feel like the stronger emotion for me about
the interception is, what the hell was he doing?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's the stronger emotion for me.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And it shouldn't be because Josh Jobe is our guy,
but that's Drake May talking about the interception last night
that he threw.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How about this? Have you heard this yet, by the way, Dick?
I've heard some, but not all.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, on the Patriots radio broadcast yesterday, is it Bob Sochi, Jackson?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Bob Sochi. and our friend Scott Zolak, who we hooked
up with in San Francisco back in February. This is
the way that final interception sounded on Patriots Radio in Boston.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ball's on the right hash mark of the 16.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Against the Seahawks defense that tormented the quarterback a year
ago in the Super Bowl. Now a third down and
six fourth coming from the Seahawks 16. Shotgun snap to May.
He's looking right. He's pressing off balance throw to.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
The right and he throws an intercept to the end zone.
What was he thinking? Ball picked off on the right
side of the end zone. Seattle has it with.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
A You did the thing you don't do. You should
have learned from the previous two.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Got to be kidding me, man.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Oh, Drake.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Left foot came down. The toe tap with a right foot.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
Eight picks all of last year. Three already here in
one half. You're well within field goal range.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Three ugly, ugly interceptions.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
There.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Quarterback was out. You got control of this game. You
have 10 zip. You got a 10-3. You're driving through
the pick. And another bad pick on an awful force
one down the middle. And an inexcusable one right there
at the end. I mean, you're third and sixth. You're
trying to win the game. That wasn't a final play.
Just throw it up, too. That's a killer.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's going to sit with you for ten days now.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Sickening.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The absolute number one rule in that situation. I think
you cannot do it. He's speechless.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, I'm trying to compare it to something we've
been a part of, and there's only one thing that
comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I'm not going to talk about that. Yeah, we won't
talk about that. You guys know what it is. I
talk about it too much. Yeah. I don't want you
to hit me. Knock it off. But it's just pure idiocy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And if that was our team, how pissed off we'd
be right now that our quarterback did something like that.
Can you imagine if Sam Darnold did that? We'd be like, well,
he's back. Like, what the hell was that, Sam?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So, I don't know, man. I just, I think what
they did last night was gritty, gutty, the whole thing. Like,
we talked with Mike last segment, Dick. I don't think
people realize how hard that was to pull off. the
reigning AFC champions, guy that was second in the MVP.
You're down 10 zip. That's part of this, right?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And you do it with a backup quarterback. Hot damn, man.
Good for them.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And like I said in the first segment of the
show today, the rest of the NFL pissing their pants
after what the Seahawks did last night.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
I mean, I thought we were going to score a
touchdown before that procedure call to move them back, and
they were forced to kick the field goal. That place
would have been electric had we scored the touchdown and
would have been ahead in the game.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
The Cooper Cup touchdown.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yes, but instead, no, I'm talking about when we were
down at the two and then we had the five-yard penalty.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Correct, yes.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And I just felt like the crowd was totally into it,
but knowing that they only needed a field goal to tie,
it was kind of an apprehensive yell instead of like
a we got this yell had we scored the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And been ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
People were almost laughing at that. and are sexually, what
the hell's going on? This is supposed to be, we're
not supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I know.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And we're doing it. Are you kidding me? Can you
believe it?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Barstool founder Dave Portnoy reflecting on the Patriots loss in
a social media video.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
Only the first game, I don't know what those lights are,
only the first game of the season, but that was
tough to watch. Horrible game from Drake, that last throw, disgusting.
Play calling sucked most of the night, I thought, on offense.
The game was right there for the taking, obviously.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
It's only week one, but that was a.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
S * * * way to start the season.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Going to be a lot better than that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That was F-minus s * * *.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Brian Fleury whipping Josh McDaniels in his debut. Had never
called a game before in his life. And Fleury's looking
at McDaniels like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Know what your problem is, man. This is easy. He
had it. I just did it with a backup quarterback, pal.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Portnoy posted his bets online before the game.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Oh, I know. I saw that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
And it was like all Drake May overs, Patriot wins, A.J.
Brown overs. It was just– I can't even imagine how
much he lost.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But why?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What about Drake May's performance in the Super Bowl? What
even led you to think that? Because you signed A.J.
Brown and Romeo Dobbs wearing his Guardian cap out there?
I mean– The guy is a degenerate gambler. He's got
a problem, and he needs to call the number in
the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Whatever that number is, he's going to call it.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And he needs to stop betting on Michigan and the Patriots,
his two favorite teams.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, why don't we get a break? We got more, right, Jackson?
You got more here? There's more under the tree. We'll
get to it next on 93.3 KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
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Speaker 2 (27:29):
Real quick we should make some predictions on tonight's game.
I think the Rams are going down. I think they're
stupid for flying out there so late and the Niners
win tonight.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I took the Niners plus the points. I don't know
if they'll win straight up, but I like that number,
three and a half. I'm getting more in the field.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Jackson?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I'm going to say the Rams win, but it's by
what Dick said, less than three.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And massive amounts of injuries because they flew out there
so late. How about that? I mean, I'm fine with that, right?
I don't want anybody dead.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't want any long-term illnesses, but if Stafford wants
to tear a meniscus, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Displace a shoulder? I got no problem with that. Hey,
have you heard this, by the way? Barstool.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
has a self-proclaimed fat nerd named Grant Hogdale-Huckvale.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I've heard him.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
He does play-by-play for Red Sox and Patriots games on streaming.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, he hosted their DraftKings live stream reacting to the
game last night with fellow Patriot fans Mike Mutonski and
Jerry Thornton.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It sounds like something out of Stripes back in the day,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The three react here to Jackson Smith and Jigba's game-tying
touchdown in the fourth quarter yesterday.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Takes the snap. Takes the handoff. He's got a man open. Oh,
my God. And Jigba breaks this one open. He's won,
and he's going to be free. That's going to be
a touchdown. What is that, man? What is that breakdown?
Speaker 10 (28:46):
How do you leave Jackson Smith and Jigba that wide open?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That is just unacceptable, dude. That's insane. How the– where the–
is the man covering him. And there's nobody covering the.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Best receiver on the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What are we doing? One touch. You got one touch
there at the end. That's absurd. That is absurd. Unbelievable.
That's terrible.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I don't think I've ever seen a wide receiver go
from 0 to 60 faster than what he did last night.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Unbelievable. Remember the old Speedy Gonzalez cartoon back in the day? Bing!
And he's churning up dirt. He had four guys around him.
And he took off! And it was like he hit
the freaking turbo button, dude. That's exactly what I said
last night on the postgame show. Unbelievable, man.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I honestly don't know if I knew, Dick, that he
had that in i didn't need to go from zero
to 60 that quick he continues to impress me.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
More and more every time i see him i always
thought he was a good wide receiver and then i
thought well he's a very good ride receiver now i
think he's probably like a top two wide receiver in
the league.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Right well here's the same three hogdale mutanski and thornton
reacting on the barstool live stream to the final pass
of the game, the interception.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Six seconds on the play clock. Drake in the shotgun.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Use your feet, Drake.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Takes a snap.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Looks.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Use your feet, Drake.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Glows.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
End zone. And you can't. Terrible throw. It's a terrible throw.
It's a terrible throw.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Just third pick of the game. The worst thing he
could have done. The worst thing he could have done.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Literally the worst.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And the game's over.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Unforgivable. Wow.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Wow. No excuse.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You just can't do it. You just can't do that.
No excuses.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
You had three points on the board.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You don't get greedy.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You lit the game on fire. You had overtime right there. And, yeah,
you got both feet in. Unbelievable play.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just a terrible break in. You cannot throw that. You
can't throw it. You cannot throw that. Cannot throw it.
That's terrible, dude.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
That's maybe the worst Drake Mayhem I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You know, we're starting to collect.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
comeback coins or payback coins after what happened in Arizona
against these guys. I mean, the championship last year was great.
I would like them to feel what I felt, and
I want them to feel that pain, and I think
we're starting to kind of collect a few. I wouldn't
mind playing them again and having something else happen to them,
(31:13):
but I think it's like 50 years of payback, 50
years of curses after what happened in 2014, so They're
starting to feel it. And you think about them, Dick,
just for a second. They go to the AFC Championship
game and they beat Denver. Then they play us. And
since that Super Bowl, the vibe around this Patriot team
and the quarterback has totally shifted. Like, Drake May finishes
(31:36):
second in the MVP. Then they win. I mean, give
them credit, whatever. May not play great, but they win.
Now they're in the Super Bowl. And ever since the
Super Bowl started... The commentary and the perception of Drake
May from Boston's perspective is turning to the other side.
It's unbelievable what the last eight quarters have done. And
it's all because of them, the Seahawks. They're doing that.
(31:56):
They got Boston in a tizzy. They got the Patriot
fans flipping out, man. They can't even walk and chew
gum at the same time because of us.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
And the coach had a hell of an offseason, too.
He sure did. Well, I think the first chip we
got was, remember Sunday Night Football? I think it was 2016.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Where Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Knocked the ball away from Rob Gronkowski that would have
tied the game at the.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
End of the game.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I mean, we got one in New England just, what,
18 months after losing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, it had to happen in the Super Bowl for
it to be official. That's correct. Like official official. That's correct.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now we got that. Now I just want blood. I
want blood and broken bones. I don't want to ever
let up on these guys.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Ever.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Like ever in any sport. All right. We got time
for one more?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
How about this one? Mark Dondero. who was the host
on 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston. What we say
all week, if Drake May freaks out, Boston fans, radio,
they're going to start turning on him. They're going to
feel like they've got a problem with this guy. Mark
Dondero on 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston, analyzing Drake
(32:57):
May's performance.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
They tried to hide him all night long with high
school plays, with the Zavarian playbook. High school. Swing pass,
little runs, roll outs to nowhere. High school football. The
second he had to make NFL plays or throws, he
was screwed. And he could not step up. And that
throw to end the game was disgusting. That was incomprehensible
(33:23):
and disgusting. To even put the ball with that much
air under it in that situation, it was befuddling.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That was a joke. You cannot do that.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
He blew this.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Game, and he was bad all night.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I thought the only thing he produced all night was
high school-level plays. High school, science class, chemistry.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Well, when they're 4-4 after eight games, they're going to
start turning on Vrabel, man. I guarantee it. They'll start
turning on Vrabel. They'll start turning on McDaniels. You lost
the Super Bowl. Your quarterback's regressing. You're screwing reporters.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
What are you doing, man?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I mean, this is going to turn into a mess
in Boston, and I am absolutely all for it.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
What's the Schadenfreude thing, whatever? I want to be covered
in Patriot Schadenfreude.
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