December 8, 2025 • 35 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen chat with Seahawks legend Cliff Avril about the blowout win over the Falcons yesterday and season so far, then Chuck Powell joins the show to break down the Mariners trade on Saturday, before having Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Runner his own fourteen yard line, moving up the right.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How they sniffed the ball? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
He was going to say something to Paul counted into
the m zone. It counts out of the end zone.
A flag was tone and they rule of safety. That
is the wickist score in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh man, that was a lot of fun, a lot
of fun back then, and we maybe get back to
those good times here in Seattle and joining us Cliff
Averell from those championship Seahawk teams.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
How you doing, Cliff?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I am good. I am man. I can't complain. How
you guys doing many well?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We are doing good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's it's starting to remind us a little bit about
when we were doing when you and I were doing
radio shows all twelve thirteen years ago, and we had
this football team here in town, and they had a
dominant defense and they were holding teams to zero and
six and nine points every single week.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
So tell me about what you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Are there elements to this team, particularly this defense that
that kind of remind you of your Hawks conference in
Super Bowl championship teams?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh? There are, there are. There's a lot of great
things that this defense is doing, you know. I mean,
they got playmakers looking on every level, right whether you
look at the guys up front, you look at the
linebackers and and the dbs. But but I think it
starts with the guys up front. You know, Jaron reed
Leo from the you know, the guys on the on
the edge. I mean, you got two d tackles that
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lead the team in set, you know what I mean,
Like that's unheard of, right, But those guys, I think
is the they're their motor of that defense right now.
They they're the oldest on the team, are on the defense,
and they're just leading these guys. Man, They're showing that
it starts up front, and then everybody else is just
playing off of them. But collectively, man, it's just fun
to watch because they're I mean, everyone's getting turnovers. Everyone
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getting turnovers, whatever position. Everyone's finding ways to get their
hands on the ball and create more opportunities for the offense.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Really exciting to watch, really fun to watch. And I
think the scheme too. I think coach McDonald has done
a great job. Obviously the defensive guru, and and you
know he'd had great defenses over the years, but he's
found the right guy to play the right position, and
he's putting them in position to execute. And those guys
all they got to do is just go out there
and play play StAst and execute the calls and think
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great things are happening.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Well, let's drill down on that very point the scheme.
What are you seeing. Give us an example you say, okay,
he's putting guys in the opportunity to make plays. Give
us an example or to a play that that's top
of mind for you, where you say, oh, okay, whether
you did that or you didn't ten years ago, ten
twelve years ago. Give us an example of of what
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you see that impresses you. Mike McDonald putting a player
in a position to make the play.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean, if you think about it, even just like
last week, E Man the dB right like, I mean,
they're using him in a way that that's unique to
his size and being in his skill set to the
point where you know, you see him blitting and getting
sacks right, or you look at McKnight and DeMarcus Lawrence.
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I'd say, like, what was this two or three weeks ago?
These plays were identical. I was at the game and
I'm like, wait up, did the same thing just happened
just on the other side of the field, Like he
understood that that you know, McKnight is obviously a great blitter,
but he's putting them one on one with the running back. Okay,
he slipped the running back and then at the defensive end,
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all you have to do is fall back. It's same
exact play both times. Fell back into uh he ran
like a little text game essentially with the with the
linebacker and boom, sax fum will touchdown, sax tumbell touch
down on both plates. But what made it special is
again m night being a pretty good blitter. And then
as a past versus, to be honest with you, you
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hate well, I hate it, shoul I say, I can't
say those guys, but you hate having to run games
with linebacks because a lot of times they don't know
how to run those games. Clearly, in this situation, they
had trusting uh, you know, Arres m. Knight to do that,
and then Lawrence just coming off the edge picking it
up in house calling.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It Cliff favorill join us. I know you did.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You've been doing broadcasting in the preseason for this team,
so you've gotten a chance to be around him, particularly
in training camp. You know what impresses you the most
about Mike McDonald just in your interactions with him.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, one, the fact that I'm older than him is.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Ridiculous, us kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Makes me feel old. But he's a I mean, he's
he's awesome. I think the coolest thing about him is
how much for as respect he has for us. You know,
I'm gonna I don't know, they call his legends, so
I'm going to say legends. It sounds weird.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Oh you're Agen, I'll call you allegend. Everybody else agen too.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I appreciate it. But the respect that he had for
what we've done right. He's a fan of the defense
and the way we played it, and those types of
things were to the point where he'll tell us, you know,
how much of a fan he is of us, right,
So just being around him, him him understanding defensive schemes,
I mean, his knowledge. He's just a that like the
things that he's able to retain and remember, you know
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what I mean, it's crazy. So just just those little
bits and pieces of conversations that you have with and
it was like, oh man, this man is like he's
really like a teens. Like it's weird. It's weird to
just put it all in the words, but like he
just remembers everything. He understands every position. And you know
some coaches are you know, just dB coaches that that
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are offensive, that are decordinators, you know what I'm saying.
But like he understands the scheme, he understands the defense.
He wants to put guys in the right position to
be able to execute these different things. He will create
plays for certain guys just because of their athleticism or
whatever they're good at. Like it's it's cool to watch overall.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Cliff avoril with us and Cliff, you just use the
word genius. We don't hear that word tossed around about
football players or coaches very often, right, like maybe a
Bill Walsh or what have you. But something in the
conversation or what you've seen causes you to use that word.
What is it that makes him a genius in your eyes?
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Was Pete Carrol a genius? Or are you kind of
elevating his understanding and just kind of amplify your thoughts
when you use the word genius to describe Mike mcthonum.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Was Pink Carroll jenius? I think he was just in
a different way. When I say Mike McDonald's genius, I'm
staying back on conversations that I've had with him and
how he moves and the scene that he's putting together,
like he's really like he really understands how to put
offenses in a buying right, and he knows how to
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use the players that he has and puts them in
the right position to do that right. Because it's rare
where you look at you know the stats for the
guys on defense, where you know you got a few
dbs that have sacks, you have linebackers that have sacks,
and you have you know, your D line. Typically it's
just your D line that goes and gets sacked. Maybe
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a lot back here or there that get a sacked,
but to be able to put these guys in positions
to execute and do a little bit of everything, and
finding the right players to do so, and putting the
scheme together that compliments these guys. I think is short
of of that, because most coaches like, my scheme is
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what it is, and if you can't run it, we're like,
you got to go. He's more it seems like I'm
not obviously in the team, but it seems like it's like, Okay,
I have this guy, he's really good at this. I'm
gonna find a way to make sure he can execute
the plays that I have and highlight him because he's
great at blissing, because he's big to be able to
fill in, you know, the A gap, be gap, whatever
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it may be. Like he's using those guys within the scheme.
He's thinking of those guys while he's coming up with
the different schemes. I guess it's the right way of
putting it.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Seahawks legend Cliff Averril want to emphasize legend here on
ninety three point three KJR and talking about the twenty
twenty five Seattle Seahawks. Let's flip over the flip over
to the offensive side. What was your take Cliff when
the Seahawks made the move to decide, hey, we're not
gonna pay Geno and we're gonna bring in Sam Donald.
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And what has been your assessment thus far of Sam
Donald is the Seahawks?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, I'm pretty sure I was like everybody else whereas like, yo,
you're doing what you know, you just won ten games
with with with with Gino the year before, so you know,
why would you give up a for sure thing that
you already kind of had. Obviously they know and see
more than we know, right, But it was definitely one
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of those question marks, like yo, what, like what's going
on here? But very impressed with Sam Donald, you know,
I mean, he's he this My first eye is remember
my for I laughed because I remember my first conversation
with Sam and it's like, you know, he's kind of
telling me like, oh yo, yo, what's up quick? And
I'm like, yo, you know who I am? You know
what I mean? But this his interaction is, you know,
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can be a little little uh I'm gonna say different sometimes,
but super cool dude. And then you see him go
out there and his interaction with his players. He's getting
hype with the guys, you know, he's laughing, and he's
doing all these different things. To me, honestly, it's not
surprising that he's having the success because he not only
brought into the system, but he's gotten everybody else to
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buy into him. Because I'm sure guys are listening, paying
attention to what the media was probably saying and different
things like that. But he won over those guys trusts, right,
he won those guys over where whether this is the interactions,
but also you know, practice and different things like that.
And all those guys are playing, they're playing lighted out
for him too. So it's really cool to watch to see.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
So I want you to take us. Now it's been
a long time, or at least a few years since
you played. I want you to take us into the
world of an actual NFL player. And it's on a
Sunday or Monday night, and you defensive guys you're getting
together have met, whether it's a beer of cocktail, whatever
it is, barbecue and whatever, just the defensive guys and
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you just played. The Rams lost the game. Sam Darnold
had four interceptions. Now you saw when Ernest Jones went
up to the media and he said, hey, this is
our quarterback if you know you got criticisms, f you want,
I want your reaction to what Ernest Jones said? And
then what is it like when the defensive guys alone
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after a game like that where clearly the quarterback lost
the game. What are you guys saying in those conversations?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
A great defense, which I was fortunate enough to be
a part of, a great defense, I think does exactly
what Earnest did you Right, you ride for each other
like you're you're gonna get on stage. I'm gonna tell
you this. And also, honestly, because we've had moments like
that too when I played where might you know, rush
through a few interceptions or whatnot, And our mindset was always, yo,
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it doesn't matter, like we got to do our job
and give them the ball back, like we got to
go cause a turnover. That was our mindset. Yes it sucks,
Yes we got to get back out there. Yes you
know all those things, definitely, but that control is the control,
and we're supposed to be the best defense, right, so
let's go get another opportunity to let's go get another
turnover to give them opportunity to go score that that's
our job, right, So even with drinks and whatnot. It
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is like, yo, yeah, that sucks, but that's our guy.
Like he's also he's also gone out there and you
know through four or five sets now too, you know
what I mean. So you can't just ride with somebody
when they're just killing it. You got to be able
to ride with them when they're down top two. And again,
your job is to get the quarterback the ball as
many times as possible if you want to be a
great defense in a great team.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
That's awesome, great, Cliff, We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We'll have you on once this team gets back and
it gets back in the playoffs where they belong.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
All right, most definitely, I appreciate you got that.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You bet that's all right, Cliff Averrill, Seahawks legend talking
about this team which will certainly be in the playoffs
right now at ten and three, and I asked the
question about Gino and Sam, and as he was answering,
I kind of I was thinking a little bit like
what would be the difference in this team's record if
Gino Smith was the quarterback instead of Sam Darnold. And
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I'm looking back at these games, I don't think Atlanta
goes differently. I don't think Minnesota goes differently. I don't
think Tennessee goes differently. He lost to the Rams, it
would have lost anyway, probably. I don't think Arizona goes differently.
I don't think Washington goes differently. I mean, those were
all blowouts. So the last six games probably would be
identical with Gino Smith or Sam Donald since they were
all blowouts, except the Ram game that you lost Houston.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Sam wasn't great. You won by eight in that game.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Jacksonville is the one I look at and say, Sam
was pretty special in that game through for two ninety
five had about a one to twenty passer rating against Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's one that maybe you could say Sam Donald won
for you.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
New Orleans was a blood bath. San Francisco you lost.
And then Pittsburgh's the other one, thirty one seventeen. Maybe
Gino doesn't go into Pittsburgh and beats the Steelers. Although
when you look at the Sam's numbers in that he
had an eighty nine point eight passer rating, had two
interceptions in that game.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
So you know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yet we all agree that they're better off with Sam,
and yet Sam really hasn't had to win any of
these games for the Seahawks.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Well, there's different ways to define win. To me, you
sound like a guy that had had an agenda where
you wanted to get then everything you looked at was
designed to fit the agenda, your your final outcome.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, but what's funny is is my whatever agenda that is,
it's kind of the antithesis of what I've been preaching
all year whatever. I know, But I mean, right in
that moment, is way better than Gina No.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Dick and and maybe maybe maybe just in that moment,
you're you know, look, you're you're hosting a sports radio show.
So so I'm not I'm not picking on you. I'm
saying that because you gotta you gotta inspire that. I
think that's a good question. I should be able to
defend that. I think there's a number of those games
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like Arizona, where he had had to make a couple
of plays at the end, you know, those fade balls
up the right side then up the left side like
a lot. Hell, this game, this game just yesterday, that
could have been a lesser quarterback throws an interception in
the red zone, doesn't make the plays. Uh, that could
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have on sideways A lot of times when you have
a quarterback. Sam Donald is number one in the NFL
in yards per attempt, number one in the NFL in
in completions over ten yards, completions over twenty yards. This
dude has thrown the knockout punch that you like. It's
almost like that that hypothesis that you just advance is
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almost it's detracting from a guy that is so good
that in the passing game that you just bludgeon these
teams and then you just say say, well, anybody could
have done that, Drew Lock could have done that, you know,
what have you? And so we don't know. It's good
coffee and beer talk. The answer is, I don't know.
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You don't know. It's not provable, it's not falsifiable. But
I do think the tenor the question and kind of
where you're angling is doing a disservice to I think
Sam Donald. My answer, My answer is I don't think
they'd have this record, okay, And I think that the
record be worse somewhere in the neighborhood of two to
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four games worse.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Okay, whoa two to four games worse? Okay? All right?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I did make the comic it that I was soundly
laughed at by both Jackson Feltz and Dave Softy. Mall
are like, I don't know, probably two months ago where
I said that I felt like this defense was so
good that you could probably win eight games with Drew
Lock as your starting quarterback, and I was soundly laughed at.
And I will stand here on this day, December eighth,
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and a ten to three football team and say I
believe that this defense is so damn good that Drew
Lock could win eight games as a starting quarterback of
this team.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
And go eight to nine. Yes, yeah, I think Drew
Lock is a good I think he's a good backup.
I mean he's talented, he doesn't have the feel for
the game, but his his traits are starter level trades. Yes,
but you know, so where can we agree? We can
agree that this defense is elite. It's the best since
Week six in any important measure, it's the best defense
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in the NFL. Fall following the Tampa Bay game, you say, well,
that's that's cherry picking. Yes, in a way, that was
the worst defensive game. They also didn't have four players.
Even why are even when you lost to Tampa bay
Nick even Worey had four plays to his career, yes,
in the first five, in the first five plays of
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the forty nine er game, like everything that Mike McDonald
has wanted to morphine, you know, you know, he didn't
have those guys. So so it's the best defense in
the NFL, and the best defense in the NFL would
win a lot of games with a lot of average quarterbacks.
I'll agree with you there, but I think Sam Donald
has been particularly in the first eight weeks when his
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average passer rating was one hundred and sixteen and he
was and a lot of those you know, hey, he
just knocks you out in those games. You know, it's like,
we don't even know what it would be like to
be in a close game because Donald just.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Made us out. Maybe he's costributing it to it being
a not close.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
It was Pearl Harbor bombs away with Sam Darnold early
on he said, a hell of a season and particularly
the first half of the season. So yeah, I think
somewhere in the neighborhood of two to four games more
than you would have had with Gino.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Sounds good, You're gonna run. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
A three o'clock A right, all right, sounds good. Three
tomorrow Hugh Breed love milling, great stuff. Chuck pal is
gonna join us. We're gonna take a segment to talk
a little baseball because there's.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Some heat going on in the rumor world. And also
the Mariners.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Made a trade over the off season or the over
the weekend rather, and we'll see if Chuck thinks it
was a good trade or not.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Next on ninety three point three KJRFL, this is.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
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Speaker 4 (19:02):
I'm going to hear from our man, Chuck Pwell, talking
a little baseball in just a moment. The trade that
came down over the weekend, Harry Ford being sent to
the Washington Nationals for Jose Farrer, a reliever with a
four point three to six career earned run average.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I'll tell you my initial reaction was Wow, I thought.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
We'd be able to get more than a reliever for
Jose Ferrer. He's got all the analytics. I mean, the
guy is ninety nine percentile on ground ball rate ninety
fifth and walk rate ninety third and barrel rate ninety
fourth and veloci. So what I want to ask Chuck
is how the hell does this guy have a career
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four and a half? He alay, he is basically elite
in all these categories, So we'll talk to him about that.
And I'm seeing some rumblings from the winter meetings that
the Dodgers and the Tigers are tied up in a
potential trade for Trek's schoobl So that is something to
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watch over the winter meetings. And my thought would be, well,
if the Dodgers and Tigers are in talks for Trek Scooble,
can't be the can't the Mariners and the Tigers be
in talks for Terrek school now? The only difference being
is that the Dodgers would be able to sign Trek
Scoobel immediately upon trading for Trek Schouble, which would not
happen if he came to the Mariners because Trek Scuobele
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is going to be making upwards to four or five
hundred million dollars, I would think, but five point thirty
three on ninety three point three kJ RFM, we hear.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Him from Chuck yet Jackson or we go we good
to go?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
All right, Chuck's gonna come on here and talk a
little baseball before I changed the subject here and we
got our man from the Morning Show and new I
guess I should say old and new champion of Factor
Fiction along with Bucky and along with Ashley. Congratulations, Chuck,
you got it done, Man, well done.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The three people that gamble the least and all of
the Washington I'll pulled off a Factor Fiction victory.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Well, I think we need I mean, we need some
steaks next year, because I got to be perfectly honest
with you, Jo, I am the one person on the
show that takes it seriously. On our show, I have
one of my partners actually picked the Minnesota Golden Gophers
this year just because Dan Wilson went there. Damn run
I did so. I mean, it's it's hard. I mean,
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I can only do what I can do, and I
think we need a way to, uh, you know, kind
of give a little more impetus to everybody on the
Afternoon show for for taking their pic seriously.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
So maybe some maybe some steaks can we can we
invest in some steaks for next year between the morning show.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I don't Show.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I don't know where you've been. Furnessa is going to
wash my car every week for the rest of the
year because.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Of this beautiful, beautiful, well, we didn't have you.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Just to bring in bagels for the entire station for
the next six months, so we worked out some stakes.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I want to give you a tip of the cap,
but the real reason we had you on is obviously
this trade, which I got to admit, surprised me in
the sense not to surprise me that Harry Ford got traded.
It surprised me that Harry Ford got traded to Washington
for a lever that's got a four point three to
six career era.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So your first thoughts when you when you saw the trade.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
I was underwhelmed. I was I'm like you, I thought
for sure Harry was going to get traded. I mean,
the path to playing time for a guy that is
dedicated committed to catching, staying at the catcher position, with
cal Rawley in your way, it just seemed like right
now would have been a great time to trade him.
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But I felt that way sort of at the last
couple of trading deadlines. I mean, Cal's been in his
path for a while now and they haven't made the move.
So I expected top one hundred prospects, with speed and
the on base monster that he's been at the minor
league level and having performed on a big stage like
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the World Baseball Classic. I thought that Terry Ford would
fetch more in a trade than what they got back
a left handed reliever. But maybe I overvalued him. I
think that this isn't the first time that they've tested
the market to see what his trade value was, and
if this is all they came up with, maybe that's
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all that he is worth. And I say that, but
Ferrera is a talented, controllable left hander who they could
have for years. Certainly, the numbers suggest that he is
better than his four point four e er. I mean, yeah,
met line number.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
The percentiles, the ground ball rates, the walk rates, the
barrel rates of a lot, I mean they're all elite. Like,
I'm thinking, how's this guy got a four point.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Yeah, and then the fastball around one hundred miles per hour,
But it does read a lot like Gregory Santos, the
description that came with him when the Mariners were so
excited about landing Gregory Santos. It's sort of the same thing,
maybe a little bit better control. But Santos had one
hundred mile per hour fastball, but he didn't strike guys out.
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And that goes all the way back to his minor
league career, and he didn't do it here either, whenever
he was available. So I'm a little worried about forrere
averaging less than a strikeout per inning through not just
his major league career, but for most of his minor leagues.
How does somebody that throws that is that nasty not
strike out more hitters coming out of the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But I know that they.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Were looking for a bullpen piece, specifically a left hander.
They loved their controllable assets. I think they got a
good reliever. I just thought, as much as we've talked
about ha Ford, I just thought that maybe he would
be involved in a package that brought a little sexier
of a name.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, let's move on to the next potential trade.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Then next potential trade or free agent signing this offseason.
Will we see that and will we see an impact
bat that did not play in Seattle last year. I
know hore Plango's still out there, but will we see
an impact bat either signed or traded for, not named
Jorge Polanco on this team next year.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I'm not going to be surprised by that. A couple
of things. I think that if the Polanco thing doesn't happen,
then maybe Plan B is Gino, or maybe Gino's just
not in the plans at all, and then that frees
up some money. I keep coming back to the Japanese
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slugger Munataka Murakami. I know that organization would love to
have one of these Japanese phenoms on the flip side.
He is a monster strikeout guy, which they've tried to
move away from here in recent years. But he's also
somebody with fifty sixty home run potential. And I don't
know about you, but these Japanese superstars, the ones that
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have been labeled superstars that come over, they're pretty good.
You know, they don't fail, and so I think if
we don't get Polanco, maybe that's a guy that they
try to, you know, go aggressively at, and then the
trade aspect probably makes more sense because they do have
prospects to move. They've got like six middle infielders that
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are ranked in the top one fifty. Only a couple
of them are going to end up playing right for
the for the big league club, and so maybe now
is the off season to maybe strike a deal for
an asset that, you know, you can kind of hand
pick the salary out there, somebody that's you know, two
three years away from from free agency, that maybe that
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organization doesn't feel like it's going to be winning anytime soon,
and then you swoop in and you grab a really
star player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
CJ.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Abrams is a good example from the Washington Nationals. You know,
apparently it's falling out favor in Washington. Can play shortstop
per second, it's got some pop, certainly can steal bases,
and the Nationals don't look like they're going to be
winning in the next couple of years. And so maybe
that's a guy that the Mariners are interested in because
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you can get a more proven commodity to play second
base for you, and you can move maybe a young
player or two in order to get that guy.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Chuck always a pleasure, my friend, and congratulations. Pass my
congrats along to Bucky and Ashley as well.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Okay, I will do that.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
You guys are man.
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It's quite a war every.
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Year to try to beat the Afternoon Show. So we
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Speaker 5 (28:34):
Show, Hey Jackson, do you hear this? What's that?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Dick?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
At halftime yesterday Seahawks win, Mike McDonald correctly predicted in
the locker room that Rashid Shaheed would return the second
half kickoff for a touchdown. After he did, and after
the game, both McDonald and Shaheed talked about his premonition.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
We heard Mike might have predicted your kid return a
half fun he did call it?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
He did, Yeah, I'll give him credit for that.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
Was something about the looker that you guys had in
fact just this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Week or something. How did you know or how did
you know anythink that's what was coming. Yeah, we just
knew that we were gonna have an opportunity coming out
of halftime based off the film that we watched. We
knew that we were gonna have opportunity to score. And
that's what we did.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
We had perfect calls, and you know, that's a testament
to our coaches and how they get us prepared.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
A few minutes later, you make sure you're.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Called touched down halftime? Maybe was it just a hut shirt?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Did you have a feeling of something I break there?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't know something about you know, it's just called
Kobe's pick last year too. Here, that's kind of how
making a fine for that for for bragging. It's gonna
be fun when this city really embraces Mike McDonald.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I don't think we have yet.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I think he needs to come him a bit, mature
into the job, like and then grow up, not grow up.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
That's a different age.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
I think, like I don't think we fully appreciated Pete
Carroll until honestly, they kind of went through that stretch
of sixteen through nineteen, we were like, well.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
We appreciated Carol when you want us so sooner.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
But like I mean, like fully, like obviously it's like, okay,
we have one of the best coaches in football right
then once we have the downstretch and kind of not
necessarily see post Carol life, but start to see like wow,
like like yeah, when when he has the guys and
he has his team that he wants, then they are flying.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Because I still see Mike McDonald's a defensive genius. I
don't look at him on the sidelines ago, my coach
is one of the best head coaches in the NFL.
And I think we are going to get to the
point where all Seahawk fans every time they see Mike
McDonald on the sideline, we will feel like we did
with Pete Carroll ten year.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Jill, where we said my coach is better than your
coach that I'm playing against right now. Yeah, And I
think we will say that, and that takes time. It
takes time.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
I think it's one of those things where when Mike
McDonald gets us to an NFC championship or two gets
us to a Super Bowl, then that'll establish that. But
that will come with time. Maybe it's this year, but
that'll come with time.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Hey Jackson, did you hear this?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
After winning the Big Ten Championship, Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza
did his on field interview with Jenny Taft of Fox
Sports and look directly into the camera as he answered
these questions.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Indiana the Big Ten Champs?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
How does that sound? It sounds so beautiful. I want
to give all the glory to God. We're never supposed
to be in the decision.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Before the glory God, the great coaches.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Great teammates, everybody have around us.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We were able to pull this off.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Whoever thought the.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Whos would be here?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
But now the Hoosas are flipping champs.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You guys call yourself a bunch of misfits who found.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The right home at Indiana. Why was this the right
place for this group?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Is the right place for processes Orange and we're going
day by day.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Is off at the line, the defense, the coaches, special teams,
we're all process Oranges to one goal.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
That's our thing is we're brothers.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
We can drag teams to the defense because.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
We know that we're gonna stick together and we're the
strongest glue ever. Jackson, I'm gonna ask you something.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, you're the general manager of a team that has
a top five pick in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Do yeah? I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Are you more.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Likely to draft Fernando Mendoza based upon that SoundBite or
are you less likely to draft him?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Or is there no change?
Speaker 8 (32:08):
A million percent more likely? And it also makes me
a million percent more wanting to see him win the
Heisman Trophy. I want that dude leading my locker room.
I want that dude in every speech possible. Like and
it's it's because it's hard me magical radio to think
about this, but he's obviously all that emotion and he
is staring into America Assault. It's like you think about
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for an NFL coach, right, Like, I don't know who's
the coach of the Giants right now, the Jet I
don't know who the Jets of coach. Regardless, you're watching
that and you think about, oh wow, we are a
craft organization. We need somebody who can come in and
be a leader, right That's a dude who can like
with that, that's gonna rally your team.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I think there I agree with you. I agree with
your premise. I do think there was a little.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It was a little Russell Wilson asked for me. Really
it was a little. I could not disagree with that,
okay anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And I mean I think there's a level of passion
and then there's whatever that was with the squeaky voice
and the like it was.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
It was just a little much for me.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Russell Wilson is inauthentic to the core. He is fake
asphony all those right.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
You don't think the second part of that sounded cast
scripted like that is that's just pure emotion, Like that's
not scripted. That's a dude who is just out pouring out.
When Russell pours out his emotion, he's pouring out his
emotion that's filtered through the PR department in his head.
Fernando Mendoza, that is pure, just everything in his soul.
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I mean, it'd be interesting because that's gonna be a
question that'll be that'll be asked of him, and I
think people will ask general managers that question because I
was truly a unique response, No question about it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Hey Jackson, do you hear this?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Paul Finebaum joined Matt Berry's podcast yesterday and said that
Notre Dame fans are in contention for the worst fans
in America.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I just shut up already.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Notre Dame fans now in contention for the worst fan
base in America. I know that's always been the case,
but I mean, you haven't done anything this year.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You've got a really good team.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
You played two very meaningful games at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Of this year, went at home, one of the road.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
You lost both. What's your best win, Southern cal whatever.
You're afraid to play in a conference because you want
to take the money and run.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That's your fault.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
If you're sitting at twelve thirty today on the outside,
that's your problem.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's not ours.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
My whole nineteen eighties hatred of Notre Dame just bubbled into.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
A frenzy this weekend.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Not only did they miss the playoffs, rightfully so in
my opinion and in the opinion of most, they also
decided to bow out of any Bowl invitation childish, which
was just the most perfect entitled Notre Dame response possible.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Yeah, you know, it's what happens when you're picking kids
in a school yard pick for kickball, and that last
kid doesn't get picked. So what he decides to do
is take out a pair of scissors and poke a
hole in the kickball.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's what I mean. Like, that's what Notre Dame did.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Like I mean, obviously different example, but still like they
took the ball and they went home.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Well, it's almost a child I have it. You know,
I've got a different school yard analogy. It's the kid
at school that thinks he's better than everyone else, true,
and he lets everybody know he's better than everybody else
and then can't figure out why he's the only guy
without a date for prompt It's because you're a d bag,
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Runner his own fourteen yard line, moving up the right.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How they sniffed the ball? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
He was going to say something to Paul counted into
the m zone. It counts out of the end zone.
A flag was tone and they rule of safety. That
is the wickist score in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh man, that was a lot of fun, a lot
of fun back then, and we maybe get back to
those good times here in Seattle and joining us Cliff
Averell from those championship Seahawk teams.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
How you doing, Cliff?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I am good. I am man. I can't complain. How
you guys doing many well?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We are doing good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's it's starting to remind us a little bit about
when we were doing when you and I were doing
radio shows all twelve thirteen years ago, and we had
this football team here in town, and they had a
dominant defense and they were holding teams to zero and
six and nine points every single week.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
So tell me about what you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Are there elements to this team, particularly this defense that
that kind of remind you of your Hawks conference in
Super Bowl championship teams?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh? There are, there are. There's a lot of great
things that this defense is doing, you know. I mean,
they got playmakers looking on every level, right whether you
look at the guys up front, you look at the
linebackers and and the dbs. But but I think it
starts with the guys up front. You know, Jaron reed
Leo from the you know, the guys on the on
the edge. I mean, you got two d tackles that
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lead the team in set, you know what I mean,
Like that's unheard of, right, But those guys, I think
is the they're their motor of that defense right now.
They they're the oldest on the team, are on the defense,
and they're just leading these guys. Man, They're showing that
it starts up front, and then everybody else is just
playing off of them. But collectively, man, it's just fun
to watch because they're I mean, everyone's getting turnovers. Everyone
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getting turnovers, whatever position. Everyone's finding ways to get their
hands on the ball and create more opportunities for the offense.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Really exciting to watch, really fun to watch. And I
think the scheme too. I think coach McDonald has done
a great job. Obviously the defensive guru, and and you
know he'd had great defenses over the years, but he's
found the right guy to play the right position, and
he's putting them in position to execute. And those guys
all they got to do is just go out there
and play play StAst and execute the calls and think
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great things are happening.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Well, let's drill down on that very point the scheme.
What are you seeing. Give us an example you say, okay,
he's putting guys in the opportunity to make plays. Give
us an example or to a play that that's top
of mind for you, where you say, oh, okay, whether
you did that or you didn't ten years ago, ten
twelve years ago. Give us an example of of what
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you see that impresses you. Mike McDonald putting a player
in a position to make the play.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean, if you think about it, even just like
last week, E Man the dB right like, I mean,
they're using him in a way that that's unique to
his size and being in his skill set to the
point where you know, you see him blitting and getting
sacks right, or you look at McKnight and DeMarcus Lawrence.
(03:33):
I'd say, like, what was this two or three weeks ago?
These plays were identical. I was at the game and
I'm like, wait up, did the same thing just happened
just on the other side of the field, Like he
understood that that you know, McKnight is obviously a great blitter,
but he's putting them one on one with the running back. Okay,
he slipped the running back and then at the defensive end,
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all you have to do is fall back. It's same
exact play both times. Fell back into uh he ran
like a little text game essentially with the with the
linebacker and boom, sax fum will touchdown, sax tumbell touch
down on both plates. But what made it special is
again m night being a pretty good blitter. And then
as a past versus, to be honest with you, you
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hate well, I hate it, shoul I say, I can't
say those guys, but you hate having to run games
with linebacks because a lot of times they don't know
how to run those games. Clearly, in this situation, they
had trusting uh, you know, Arres m. Knight to do that,
and then Lawrence just coming off the edge picking it
up in house calling.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It Cliff favorill join us. I know you did.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You've been doing broadcasting in the preseason for this team,
so you've gotten a chance to be around him, particularly
in training camp. You know what impresses you the most
about Mike McDonald just in your interactions with him.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, one, the fact that I'm older than him is.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Ridiculous, us kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Makes me feel old. But he's a I mean, he's
he's awesome. I think the coolest thing about him is
how much for as respect he has for us. You know,
I'm gonna I don't know, they call his legends, so
I'm going to say legends. It sounds weird.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Oh you're Agen, I'll call you allegend. Everybody else agen too.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I appreciate it. But the respect that he had for
what we've done right. He's a fan of the defense
and the way we played it, and those types of
things were to the point where he'll tell us, you know,
how much of a fan he is of us, right,
So just being around him, him him understanding defensive schemes,
I mean, his knowledge. He's just a that like the
things that he's able to retain and remember, you know
(05:33):
what I mean, it's crazy. So just just those little
bits and pieces of conversations that you have with and
it was like, oh man, this man is like he's
really like a teens. Like it's weird. It's weird to
just put it all in the words, but like he
just remembers everything. He understands every position. And you know
some coaches are you know, just dB coaches that that
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are offensive, that are decordinators, you know what I'm saying.
But like he understands the scheme, he understands the defense.
He wants to put guys in the right position to
be able to execute these different things. He will create
plays for certain guys just because of their athleticism or
whatever they're good at. Like it's it's cool to watch overall.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Cliff avoril with us and Cliff, you just use the
word genius. We don't hear that word tossed around about
football players or coaches very often, right, like maybe a
Bill Walsh or what have you. But something in the
conversation or what you've seen causes you to use that word.
What is it that makes him a genius in your eyes?
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Was Pete Carrol a genius? Or are you kind of
elevating his understanding and just kind of amplify your thoughts
when you use the word genius to describe Mike mcthonum.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Was Pink Carroll jenius? I think he was just in
a different way. When I say Mike McDonald's genius, I'm
staying back on conversations that I've had with him and
how he moves and the scene that he's putting together,
like he's really like he really understands how to put
offenses in a buying right, and he knows how to
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use the players that he has and puts them in
the right position to do that right. Because it's rare
where you look at you know the stats for the
guys on defense, where you know you got a few
dbs that have sacks, you have linebackers that have sacks,
and you have you know, your D line. Typically it's
just your D line that goes and gets sacked. Maybe
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a lot back here or there that get a sacked,
but to be able to put these guys in positions
to execute and do a little bit of everything, and
finding the right players to do so, and putting the
scheme together that compliments these guys. I think is short
of of that, because most coaches like, my scheme is
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what it is, and if you can't run it, we're like,
you got to go. He's more it seems like I'm
not obviously in the team, but it seems like it's like, Okay,
I have this guy, he's really good at this. I'm
gonna find a way to make sure he can execute
the plays that I have and highlight him because he's
great at blissing, because he's big to be able to
fill in, you know, the A gap, be gap, whatever
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it may be. Like he's using those guys within the scheme.
He's thinking of those guys while he's coming up with
the different schemes. I guess it's the right way of
putting it.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Seahawks legend Cliff Averril want to emphasize legend here on
ninety three point three KJR and talking about the twenty
twenty five Seattle Seahawks. Let's flip over the flip over
to the offensive side. What was your take Cliff when
the Seahawks made the move to decide, hey, we're not
gonna pay Geno and we're gonna bring in Sam Donald.
(08:44):
And what has been your assessment thus far of Sam
Donald is the Seahawks?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, I'm pretty sure I was like everybody else whereas like, yo,
you're doing what you know, you just won ten games
with with with with Gino the year before, so you know,
why would you give up a for sure thing that
you already kind of had. Obviously they know and see
more than we know, right, But it was definitely one
(09:10):
of those question marks, like yo, what, like what's going
on here? But very impressed with Sam Donald, you know,
I mean, he's he this My first eye is remember
my for I laughed because I remember my first conversation
with Sam and it's like, you know, he's kind of
telling me like, oh yo, yo, what's up quick? And
I'm like, yo, you know who I am? You know
what I mean? But this his interaction is, you know,
(09:32):
can be a little little uh I'm gonna say different sometimes,
but super cool dude. And then you see him go
out there and his interaction with his players. He's getting
hype with the guys, you know, he's laughing, and he's
doing all these different things. To me, honestly, it's not
surprising that he's having the success because he not only
brought into the system, but he's gotten everybody else to
(09:53):
buy into him. Because I'm sure guys are listening, paying
attention to what the media was probably saying and different
things like that. But he won over those guys trusts, right,
he won those guys over where whether this is the interactions,
but also you know, practice and different things like that.
And all those guys are playing, they're playing lighted out
for him too. So it's really cool to watch to see.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
So I want you to take us. Now it's been
a long time, or at least a few years since
you played. I want you to take us into the
world of an actual NFL player. And it's on a
Sunday or Monday night, and you defensive guys you're getting
together have met, whether it's a beer of cocktail, whatever
it is, barbecue and whatever, just the defensive guys and
(10:37):
you just played. The Rams lost the game. Sam Darnold
had four interceptions. Now you saw when Ernest Jones went
up to the media and he said, hey, this is
our quarterback if you know you got criticisms, f you want,
I want your reaction to what Ernest Jones said? And
then what is it like when the defensive guys alone
(11:01):
after a game like that where clearly the quarterback lost
the game. What are you guys saying in those conversations?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
A great defense, which I was fortunate enough to be
a part of, a great defense, I think does exactly
what Earnest did you Right, you ride for each other
like you're you're gonna get on stage. I'm gonna tell
you this. And also, honestly, because we've had moments like
that too when I played where might you know, rush
through a few interceptions or whatnot, And our mindset was always, yo,
(11:34):
it doesn't matter, like we got to do our job
and give them the ball back, like we got to
go cause a turnover. That was our mindset. Yes it sucks,
Yes we got to get back out there. Yes you
know all those things, definitely, but that control is the control,
and we're supposed to be the best defense, right, so
let's go get another opportunity to let's go get another
turnover to give them opportunity to go score that that's
our job, right, So even with drinks and whatnot. It
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is like, yo, yeah, that sucks, but that's our guy.
Like he's also he's also gone out there and you
know through four or five sets now too, you know
what I mean. So you can't just ride with somebody
when they're just killing it. You got to be able
to ride with them when they're down top two. And again,
your job is to get the quarterback the ball as
many times as possible if you want to be a
great defense in a great team.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
That's awesome, great, Cliff, We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We'll have you on once this team gets back and
it gets back in the playoffs where they belong.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
All right, most definitely, I appreciate you got that.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You bet that's all right, Cliff Averrill, Seahawks legend talking
about this team which will certainly be in the playoffs
right now at ten and three, and I asked the
question about Gino and Sam, and as he was answering,
I kind of I was thinking a little bit like
what would be the difference in this team's record if
Gino Smith was the quarterback instead of Sam Darnold. And
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I'm looking back at these games, I don't think Atlanta
goes differently. I don't think Minnesota goes differently. I don't
think Tennessee goes differently. He lost to the Rams, it
would have lost anyway, probably. I don't think Arizona goes differently.
I don't think Washington goes differently. I mean, those were
all blowouts. So the last six games probably would be
identical with Gino Smith or Sam Donald since they were
all blowouts, except the Ram game that you lost Houston.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Sam wasn't great. You won by eight in that game.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Jacksonville is the one I look at and say, Sam
was pretty special in that game through for two ninety
five had about a one to twenty passer rating against Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's one that maybe you could say Sam Donald won
for you.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
New Orleans was a blood bath. San Francisco you lost.
And then Pittsburgh's the other one, thirty one seventeen. Maybe
Gino doesn't go into Pittsburgh and beats the Steelers. Although
when you look at the Sam's numbers in that he
had an eighty nine point eight passer rating, had two
interceptions in that game.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
So you know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yet we all agree that they're better off with Sam,
and yet Sam really hasn't had to win any of
these games for the Seahawks.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Well, there's different ways to define win. To me, you
sound like a guy that had had an agenda where
you wanted to get then everything you looked at was
designed to fit the agenda, your your final outcome.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, but what's funny is is my whatever agenda that is,
it's kind of the antithesis of what I've been preaching
all year whatever. I know, But I mean, right in
that moment, is way better than Gina No.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Dick and and maybe maybe maybe just in that moment,
you're you know, look, you're you're hosting a sports radio show.
So so I'm not I'm not picking on you. I'm
saying that because you gotta you gotta inspire that. I
think that's a good question. I should be able to
defend that. I think there's a number of those games
(14:35):
like Arizona, where he had had to make a couple
of plays at the end, you know, those fade balls
up the right side then up the left side like
a lot. Hell, this game, this game just yesterday, that
could have been a lesser quarterback throws an interception in
the red zone, doesn't make the plays. Uh, that could
(14:59):
have on sideways A lot of times when you have
a quarterback. Sam Donald is number one in the NFL
in yards per attempt, number one in the NFL in
in completions over ten yards, completions over twenty yards. This
dude has thrown the knockout punch that you like. It's
almost like that that hypothesis that you just advance is
(15:21):
almost it's detracting from a guy that is so good
that in the passing game that you just bludgeon these
teams and then you just say say, well, anybody could
have done that, Drew Lock could have done that, you know,
what have you? And so we don't know. It's good
coffee and beer talk. The answer is, I don't know.
(15:43):
You don't know. It's not provable, it's not falsifiable. But
I do think the tenor the question and kind of
where you're angling is doing a disservice to I think
Sam Donald. My answer, My answer is I don't think
they'd have this record, okay, And I think that the
record be worse somewhere in the neighborhood of two to
(16:04):
four games worse.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Okay, whoa two to four games worse? Okay? All right?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I did make the comic it that I was soundly
laughed at by both Jackson Feltz and Dave Softy. Mall
are like, I don't know, probably two months ago where
I said that I felt like this defense was so
good that you could probably win eight games with Drew
Lock as your starting quarterback, and I was soundly laughed at.
And I will stand here on this day, December eighth,
(16:29):
and a ten to three football team and say I
believe that this defense is so damn good that Drew
Lock could win eight games as a starting quarterback of
this team.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
And go eight to nine. Yes, yeah, I think Drew
Lock is a good I think he's a good backup.
I mean he's talented, he doesn't have the feel for
the game, but his his traits are starter level trades. Yes,
but you know, so where can we agree? We can
agree that this defense is elite. It's the best since
Week six in any important measure, it's the best defense
(16:58):
in the NFL. Fall following the Tampa Bay game, you say, well,
that's that's cherry picking. Yes, in a way, that was
the worst defensive game. They also didn't have four players.
Even why are even when you lost to Tampa bay
Nick even Worey had four plays to his career, yes,
in the first five, in the first five plays of
(17:20):
the forty nine er game, like everything that Mike McDonald
has wanted to morphine, you know, you know, he didn't
have those guys. So so it's the best defense in
the NFL, and the best defense in the NFL would
win a lot of games with a lot of average quarterbacks.
I'll agree with you there, but I think Sam Donald
has been particularly in the first eight weeks when his
(17:41):
average passer rating was one hundred and sixteen and he
was and a lot of those you know, hey, he
just knocks you out in those games. You know, it's like,
we don't even know what it would be like to
be in a close game because Donald just.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Made us out. Maybe he's costributing it to it being
a not close.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
It was Pearl Harbor bombs away with Sam Darnold early
on he said, a hell of a season and particularly
the first half of the season. So yeah, I think
somewhere in the neighborhood of two to four games more
than you would have had with Gino.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Sounds good, You're gonna run. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
A three o'clock A right, all right, sounds good. Three
tomorrow Hugh Breed love milling, great stuff. Chuck pal is
gonna join us. We're gonna take a segment to talk
a little baseball because there's.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Some heat going on in the rumor world. And also
the Mariners.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Made a trade over the off season or the over
the weekend rather, and we'll see if Chuck thinks it
was a good trade or not.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
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Speaker 4 (19:02):
I'm going to hear from our man, Chuck Pwell, talking
a little baseball in just a moment. The trade that
came down over the weekend, Harry Ford being sent to
the Washington Nationals for Jose Farrer, a reliever with a
four point three to six career earned run average.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I'll tell you my initial reaction was Wow, I thought.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
We'd be able to get more than a reliever for
Jose Ferrer. He's got all the analytics. I mean, the
guy is ninety nine percentile on ground ball rate ninety
fifth and walk rate ninety third and barrel rate ninety
fourth and veloci. So what I want to ask Chuck
is how the hell does this guy have a career
(19:44):
four and a half? He alay, he is basically elite
in all these categories, So we'll talk to him about that.
And I'm seeing some rumblings from the winter meetings that
the Dodgers and the Tigers are tied up in a
potential trade for Trek's schoobl So that is something to
(20:06):
watch over the winter meetings. And my thought would be, well,
if the Dodgers and Tigers are in talks for Trek Scooble,
can't be the can't the Mariners and the Tigers be
in talks for Terrek school now? The only difference being
is that the Dodgers would be able to sign Trek
Scoobel immediately upon trading for Trek Schouble, which would not
happen if he came to the Mariners because Trek Scuobele
(20:29):
is going to be making upwards to four or five
hundred million dollars, I would think, but five point thirty
three on ninety three point three kJ RFM, we hear.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Him from Chuck yet Jackson or we go we good
to go?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
All right, Chuck's gonna come on here and talk a
little baseball before I changed the subject here and we
got our man from the Morning Show and new I
guess I should say old and new champion of Factor
Fiction along with Bucky and along with Ashley. Congratulations, Chuck,
you got it done, Man, well done.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The three people that gamble the least and all of
the Washington I'll pulled off a Factor Fiction victory.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Well, I think we need I mean, we need some
steaks next year, because I got to be perfectly honest
with you, Jo, I am the one person on the
show that takes it seriously. On our show, I have
one of my partners actually picked the Minnesota Golden Gophers
this year just because Dan Wilson went there. Damn run
I did so. I mean, it's it's hard. I mean,
(21:30):
I can only do what I can do, and I
think we need a way to, uh, you know, kind
of give a little more impetus to everybody on the
Afternoon show for for taking their pic seriously.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
So maybe some maybe some steaks can we can we
invest in some steaks for next year between the morning show.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I don't Show.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I don't know where you've been. Furnessa is going to
wash my car every week for the rest of the
year because.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Of this beautiful, beautiful, well, we didn't have you.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Just to bring in bagels for the entire station for
the next six months, so we worked out some stakes.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I want to give you a tip of the cap,
but the real reason we had you on is obviously
this trade, which I got to admit, surprised me in
the sense not to surprise me that Harry Ford got traded.
It surprised me that Harry Ford got traded to Washington
for a lever that's got a four point three to
six career era.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So your first thoughts when you when you saw the trade.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
I was underwhelmed. I was I'm like you, I thought
for sure Harry was going to get traded. I mean,
the path to playing time for a guy that is
dedicated committed to catching, staying at the catcher position, with
cal Rawley in your way, it just seemed like right
now would have been a great time to trade him.
(22:52):
But I felt that way sort of at the last
couple of trading deadlines. I mean, Cal's been in his
path for a while now and they haven't made the move.
So I expected top one hundred prospects, with speed and
the on base monster that he's been at the minor
league level and having performed on a big stage like
(23:13):
the World Baseball Classic. I thought that Terry Ford would
fetch more in a trade than what they got back
a left handed reliever. But maybe I overvalued him. I
think that this isn't the first time that they've tested
the market to see what his trade value was, and
if this is all they came up with, maybe that's
(23:33):
all that he is worth. And I say that, but
Ferrera is a talented, controllable left hander who they could
have for years. Certainly, the numbers suggest that he is
better than his four point four e er. I mean, yeah,
met line number.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
The percentiles, the ground ball rates, the walk rates, the
barrel rates of a lot, I mean they're all elite. Like,
I'm thinking, how's this guy got a four point.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Yeah, and then the fastball around one hundred miles per hour,
But it does read a lot like Gregory Santos, the
description that came with him when the Mariners were so
excited about landing Gregory Santos. It's sort of the same thing,
maybe a little bit better control. But Santos had one
hundred mile per hour fastball, but he didn't strike guys out.
(24:25):
And that goes all the way back to his minor
league career, and he didn't do it here either, whenever
he was available. So I'm a little worried about forrere
averaging less than a strikeout per inning through not just
his major league career, but for most of his minor leagues.
How does somebody that throws that is that nasty not
strike out more hitters coming out of the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But I know that they.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Were looking for a bullpen piece, specifically a left hander.
They loved their controllable assets. I think they got a
good reliever. I just thought, as much as we've talked
about ha Ford, I just thought that maybe he would
be involved in a package that brought a little sexier
of a name.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, let's move on to the next potential trade.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Then next potential trade or free agent signing this offseason.
Will we see that and will we see an impact
bat that did not play in Seattle last year. I
know hore Plango's still out there, but will we see
an impact bat either signed or traded for, not named
Jorge Polanco on this team next year.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
I'm not going to be surprised by that. A couple
of things. I think that if the Polanco thing doesn't happen,
then maybe Plan B is Gino, or maybe Gino's just
not in the plans at all, and then that frees
up some money. I keep coming back to the Japanese
(25:48):
slugger Munataka Murakami. I know that organization would love to
have one of these Japanese phenoms on the flip side.
He is a monster strikeout guy, which they've tried to
move away from here in recent years. But he's also
somebody with fifty sixty home run potential. And I don't
know about you, but these Japanese superstars, the ones that
(26:11):
have been labeled superstars that come over, they're pretty good.
You know, they don't fail, and so I think if
we don't get Polanco, maybe that's a guy that they
try to, you know, go aggressively at, and then the
trade aspect probably makes more sense because they do have
prospects to move. They've got like six middle infielders that
(26:34):
are ranked in the top one fifty. Only a couple
of them are going to end up playing right for
the for the big league club, and so maybe now
is the off season to maybe strike a deal for
an asset that, you know, you can kind of hand
pick the salary out there, somebody that's you know, two
three years away from from free agency, that maybe that
(27:00):
organization doesn't feel like it's going to be winning anytime soon,
and then you swoop in and you grab a really
star player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
CJ.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Abrams is a good example from the Washington Nationals. You know,
apparently it's falling out favor in Washington. Can play shortstop
per second, it's got some pop, certainly can steal bases,
and the Nationals don't look like they're going to be
winning in the next couple of years. And so maybe
that's a guy that the Mariners are interested in because
(27:28):
you can get a more proven commodity to play second
base for you, and you can move maybe a young
player or two in order to get that guy.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Chuck always a pleasure, my friend, and congratulations. Pass my
congrats along to Bucky and Ashley as well.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Okay, I will do that.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
You guys are man.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
It's quite a war every.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Year to try to beat the Afternoon Show. So we
got it done.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yes, you did, Thanks man, talk to you next time,
all right, man, Thanks you bet Chuck Powell our morning
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different time five point forty eight for some fun with
audio and for the later listeners to the Afternoon.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Show, Hey Jackson, do you hear this? What's that?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Dick?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
At halftime yesterday Seahawks win, Mike McDonald correctly predicted in
the locker room that Rashid Shaheed would return the second
half kickoff for a touchdown. After he did, and after
the game, both McDonald and Shaheed talked about his premonition.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
We heard Mike might have predicted your kid return a
half fun he did call it?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
He did, Yeah, I'll give him credit for that.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
Was something about the looker that you guys had in
fact just this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Week or something. How did you know or how did
you know anythink that's what was coming. Yeah, we just
knew that we were gonna have an opportunity coming out
of halftime based off the film that we watched. We
knew that we were gonna have opportunity to score. And
that's what we did.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
We had perfect calls, and you know, that's a testament
to our coaches and how they get us prepared.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
A few minutes later, you make sure you're.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Called touched down halftime? Maybe was it just a hut shirt?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Did you have a feeling of something I break there?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't know something about you know, it's just called
Kobe's pick last year too. Here, that's kind of how
making a fine for that for for bragging. It's gonna
be fun when this city really embraces Mike McDonald.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I don't think we have yet.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I think he needs to come him a bit, mature
into the job, like and then grow up, not grow up.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
That's a different age.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
I think, like I don't think we fully appreciated Pete
Carroll until honestly, they kind of went through that stretch
of sixteen through nineteen, we were like, well.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
We appreciated Carol when you want us so sooner.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
But like I mean, like fully, like obviously it's like, okay,
we have one of the best coaches in football right
then once we have the downstretch and kind of not
necessarily see post Carol life, but start to see like wow,
like like yeah, when when he has the guys and
he has his team that he wants, then they are flying.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Because I still see Mike McDonald's a defensive genius. I
don't look at him on the sidelines ago, my coach
is one of the best head coaches in the NFL.
And I think we are going to get to the
point where all Seahawk fans every time they see Mike
McDonald on the sideline, we will feel like we did
with Pete Carroll ten year.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Jill, where we said my coach is better than your
coach that I'm playing against right now. Yeah, And I
think we will say that, and that takes time. It
takes time.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
I think it's one of those things where when Mike
McDonald gets us to an NFC championship or two gets
us to a Super Bowl, then that'll establish that. But
that will come with time. Maybe it's this year, but
that'll come with time.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Hey Jackson, did you hear this?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
After winning the Big Ten Championship, Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza
did his on field interview with Jenny Taft of Fox
Sports and look directly into the camera as he answered
these questions.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Indiana the Big Ten Champs?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
How does that sound? It sounds so beautiful. I want
to give all the glory to God. We're never supposed
to be in the decision.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Before the glory God, the great coaches.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Great teammates, everybody have around us.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We were able to pull this off.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Whoever thought the.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Whos would be here?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
But now the Hoosas are flipping champs.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You guys call yourself a bunch of misfits who found.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The right home at Indiana. Why was this the right
place for this group?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Is the right place for processes Orange and we're going
day by day.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Is off at the line, the defense, the coaches, special teams,
we're all process Oranges to one goal.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
That's our thing is we're brothers.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
We can drag teams to the defense because.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
We know that we're gonna stick together and we're the
strongest glue ever. Jackson, I'm gonna ask you something.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, you're the general manager of a team that has
a top five pick in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Do yeah? I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Are you more.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Likely to draft Fernando Mendoza based upon that SoundBite or
are you less likely to draft him?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Or is there no change?
Speaker 8 (32:08):
A million percent more likely? And it also makes me
a million percent more wanting to see him win the
Heisman Trophy. I want that dude leading my locker room.
I want that dude in every speech possible. Like and
it's it's because it's hard me magical radio to think
about this, but he's obviously all that emotion and he
is staring into America Assault. It's like you think about
(32:30):
for an NFL coach, right, Like, I don't know who's
the coach of the Giants right now, the Jet I
don't know who the Jets of coach. Regardless, you're watching
that and you think about, oh wow, we are a
craft organization. We need somebody who can come in and
be a leader, right That's a dude who can like
with that, that's gonna rally your team.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I think there I agree with you. I agree with
your premise. I do think there was a little.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It was a little Russell Wilson asked for me. Really
it was a little. I could not disagree with that,
okay anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And I mean I think there's a level of passion
and then there's whatever that was with the squeaky voice
and the like it was.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
It was just a little much for me.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Russell Wilson is inauthentic to the core. He is fake
asphony all those right.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
You don't think the second part of that sounded cast
scripted like that is that's just pure emotion, Like that's
not scripted. That's a dude who is just out pouring out.
When Russell pours out his emotion, he's pouring out his
emotion that's filtered through the PR department in his head.
Fernando Mendoza, that is pure, just everything in his soul.
(33:41):
I mean, it'd be interesting because that's gonna be a
question that'll be that'll be asked of him, and I
think people will ask general managers that question because I
was truly a unique response, No question about it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Hey Jackson, do you hear this?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Paul Finebaum joined Matt Berry's podcast yesterday and said that
Notre Dame fans are in contention for the worst fans
in America.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I just shut up already.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Notre Dame fans now in contention for the worst fan
base in America. I know that's always been the case,
but I mean, you haven't done anything this year.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You've got a really good team.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
You played two very meaningful games at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Of this year, went at home, one of the road.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
You lost both. What's your best win, Southern cal whatever.
You're afraid to play in a conference because you want
to take the money and run.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That's your fault.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
If you're sitting at twelve thirty today on the outside,
that's your problem.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's not ours.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
My whole nineteen eighties hatred of Notre Dame just bubbled into.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
A frenzy this weekend.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Not only did they miss the playoffs, rightfully so in
my opinion and in the opinion of most, they also
decided to bow out of any Bowl invitation childish, which
was just the most perfect entitled Notre Dame response possible.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Yeah, you know, it's what happens when you're picking kids
in a school yard pick for kickball, and that last
kid doesn't get picked. So what he decides to do
is take out a pair of scissors and poke a
hole in the kickball.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's what I mean. Like, that's what Notre Dame did.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Like I mean, obviously different example, but still like they
took the ball and they went home.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Well, it's almost a child I have it. You know,
I've got a different school yard analogy. It's the kid
at school that thinks he's better than everyone else, true,
and he lets everybody know he's better than everybody else
and then can't figure out why he's the only guy
without a date for prompt It's because you're a d bag,
(35:49):
Notre Dame. That's why much better five point
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Fifty six on ninety three point three kge eraf
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