May 4, 2026 • 40 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Bill Krueger about the M’s getting swept by the Royals last weekend and the starting rotation, then talk to Emerson Hancock about his 14 strikeout game on Saturday and his changes from last season to now, then for their BRC Golden Moment, they listen back to Randy Johnson’s speech.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
All right, here we go, Softie Dick Jackson felts back
in the studio where at Jimmy is on first getting
ready for the Braves and Mariners today on the radio program.
And anytime you get swept by Kansas City, there's a
rule you got to get Bill Kruger.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
In Kirkland, Bill, how are you, man?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm good. I'm good, you know, dying for this great
weather to come him.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
I'm a little larry because it's too good, too soon,
but certainly loving that right now.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
How's that? Let's start with.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, let's talk about what we saw for the weekend, man.
I mean, obviously the ups and downs. Emerson Hancock. Mariners
lost the game where he struck out fourteen batters, which
is hard to comprehend in some ways. But what you
make of what you saw in the three games sweep
by the Royals.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Man, well, I think they were riding high coming out
of the Minnesota series. You know, had a great road trip,
and then you know, the portent of bad things to
come starts with Brash his injury and then he goes
on the il and that's a big blow to the
bullpen because he's their best reliever. It's not consistent that
he doesn't get all the o's, but you take him
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out of the equation, and then of course, you know,
Cal comes up with a mysterious injury that's still waiting
to be sort of determined at this point, and he's
such an important part of this team. You subtract those
two players, you've already got Donovan on the shelf, and
he's not. I got the impression that he might be back.
I just I almost. I almost thought he was going
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to be back like now, but clearly that that hasn't
quite happened. So a little shorthanded, right, and then more
bad news since with Spire. But in looking at this
Kansas City Series, at Kansasity's per good team. They have
a bad bullpen. We weren't able to take advantage of it.
They got some left handed pitching. We struggle with left
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handed pitching. But really what it comes down to is
the fact that we didn't play real clean and I
think this is a team that plays at the margin.
That's a good defender, that's a good pitcher, and the
pitching catch game wasn't there. You know, the game they
lost with Hancock pitched and the mistakes were pretty pretty glaring.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Right, we have the don't.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Know the count a Rose Arena takes off, he gets
tagged out. Granted it was it was an obstruction play
that should have been called, but you know kind of
where baseball God's kind of got got what you deserved,
I think for not knowing the count right. And then
you know, you have the bock by Munos that puts
the runner in scoring position, and of course that's gonna
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bad things happen when.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You do that.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
And he hasn't been real clean as far as being
able to pitch without allowing some hits or some runners
on base this year. And then of course an extra
innings you have the you know, Massy taking off and
then Garber throwing the ball straight to second base. And
you know, I was taught, you know, we have a
lot of those types of plays that happened when you're
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a pitcher and balls hit sharply back to you the
man on second. The man the man on second is
frozen between second and third because he react to the
ball beating hit hard. And my job is turn ball
in hand and run right at him and driving back
to second.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
So to me, that wasn't talked about.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The Garber has to get out from behind the plate
and run the run up the runner, make and make
a commitment because as soon as he got the third
it's money.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
You know, he gets a fly ball and that does it. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
We're just not a team that's playing at full strength.
I mean you could take the six to six game
and say, well maybe, uh that's a scoring game and
you know who wasn't great? But the Mariners put some
tallies up. But then your short of, your short of,
your short of reliever and it comes to bear right
because they have their little equation out there, and who's
to know where Aspire was the last couple of days
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since he's now I eld. So I think there's a
lot of mitigating factors there. I think what you need
to keep reminding yourself, and I know that's where we
live right now with this team, is that they're still
like number three and runs allowed, And to me, that's
a big number. I look at runs aloud and to me,
that's the carrying number. You know, you're in the top
six and and runs allowed, you're gonna be in the playoffs.
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That's just a fact. So I know they're not there yet.
I know they're not playing clean. I know they're short offensively,
and now they've got some injuries in the pitching side.
So these are things that will sort themselves out before
it's all over with.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It doesn't feel good right now, though.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, can I jump in for a quick second.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
They they led the league in era like three years
ago and missed the postseason.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, I mean, it can't happen, that's true.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I'm sure you can.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
You can, you could point at that, but you know,
there was a lot of not trying on the offensive
side of that team.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Right Yeah, Bill, you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You have to you have to be Let me let
me let me say that.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
You know, right now they're like twenty second in average
I think, and or maybe lower twenty six and twenty
fifth and average, and then homers are like twelve slugging
they're like twenty second, Which is interesting that the spread
the spread between those and they're they're not They're not
in I think low twenties and run score.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
They need to be in the middle. They got to
be great.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
They just have to be in the middle. You can't
be at the bottom. Okay, So I would say there's
your point.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Bill.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
You mentioned the mental mistakes and we're seeing it team wide.
What do you attribute the lack of concentration to to
when it's more than just one or two players.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Well, I think there's really just that one egregious mistake
by a rose Arena that really stands out on the
mental side.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean, you know Crawford kicked the ball yesterday.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
You know Garver's play, You can't say that mental mistake.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
They've had, They've had some, they've had some some unclean plays.
I'm just saying that when you're playing close to the best,
you have to that's the way they play. They play
to the margin, right, they play where they can get
And this this this goes back. It harkens back to
why is the tipping point the fifth or sixth inning?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Why do we have to play the platoon game in
fifth sting?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Used to be they played that game in this seventh
and eighth because that is the moment where it determines
whether or not we go to the good side of
our bullpen or we sort of throw up the white
flag and throw to the back end of the bullpen,
which are not very talented. Okay, that's why Dan is
forced to make a play right then and there, even
though it's so early that they come back around then
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you wish you had really and you wish you had cancel.
And that's kind of that that's been and they've had
a couple of moments where it worked out, but that's
where it's really been challenging because you're playing close run
run games and you're trying to get to your bullpen,
and that's why everything hitches on that. That's where they
play to I think they're short out there, honestly, even
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if they have all their guys right, which I think
is an interesting conversation to talk about what they haven't
that's getting rehabbed right now.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Okay, well let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, what do you do if you're Jared Depoto
or Justin Hollander? Are you just relying on guys to
get healthy again? Are you playing ad on with this
roster even with those guys coming back eventually?
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Well, they added Suarez, you know, off the Braves roster.
His numbers weren't very good, but he's a veteran lefty.
He can pitch in the middle, he can pitch a
couple innings. I mean, I think baseball is like, what's
wrong with you, Baseball? I'm carrying at least a guy
that can pitch to the lineup so I don't have
to lean hard on the one any one at a time,
and then crying after two days in a row that
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I don't have any pitching when you need to have
someone that can buffer a game, that's good, good enough
to pitch to the lineup.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Not saying that Suarez is the answer.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Clearly, everybody's got five or six left handers in their
lineup and you need more left getting stronger. They're looking
for seventy pitches this next time out, But I just
get the sneaking suspicion that they're gonna have a meeting
with him and decide that maybe he's ready now and
bring him up because without Brash, they need another guy
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for sure, and I think Bryce Miller could really help
this team at least to start off in the middle
of the game and see where it goes from there.
I think they need another talented armed down there, and
Bryce would not be happy about that.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
But guess what.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
In the past year and a half he's been it's
been hard for him to post, and he's been up
and down, and right now Hancock is pitching brilliantly, so
he can't come out and Castillo's getting paid, and even
though he's not pitching well, you need to have Adoza
patience with him to sort it out a little bit.
Because the last three years he's three and a half
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harn eighty innings bank on it. So I think you
need to have a little patience with him.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Bill Soft and I earlier were discussing whether we should
have any optimism based upon what we saw from Louis
Castillo's start yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
What do you say about.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I think he had He had started the game with
an ata fastball, and with that that really allowed him
to kind of pitch his game. And then he had
the one inning where he got behind and then it's
hard for him to chase above the line, and then
he gets a little nibbley and walks couple and and
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you know, hits a guy and he's got himself in
a pickle and gives up a few. I think he
was better. But eighty percent fastball, I don't know. Is
that who's making that decision? That's too many, that's too many.
He's not good enough to throw eighty percent fastball. He
doesn't have the invisible kind of he does up shoot
the baseball. He is a fastball pitcher. But he is
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going to have to throw sliders to ride. He's no problem.
He's got a nice slider to ride. He but the
left he it's a little nikolie. He tries to throw
it and make it go across the outside corner.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
It's not very good.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
He needs his change up. But he needs to go
back and look at the tape at Cincinnati. Him and
Pete need to sit down and look at that and say,
what is it? What is he was Mario Soto junior
at Cincinnati with a change up.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now where is it?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
It's eighty nine to ninety. It's just not as good
as good as it needs to be. He needs to
get that pitched out. In today's game, there is no
rover and right center, left hand hitting is back. Everybody's
loading the stack in the deck, and he's not great
against left hand hitters, so he needs that pitch.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I think it's still there. Confident guy cools a cucumber.
He's used to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
He's had, you know, periods of time in his long
career where he's he's his stuff a little bit. I
think he figures it out and so this was a
little It was a step in the right direction. He
has to feel better about it himself after this game.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, well, his next start is in Chicago over the weekend,
right against a not very good offensive team. They got
a good pitching staff. The White Sox are way better
than they were a couple of years ago. They shouldn't
because they were in the gutter, you know, a couple
of years ago. So anything that even looks remotely decent
is going to be a major reparade over what we saw.
But you know, the win could be a problem obviously
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out there. Uh you know, comiss Ski or whatever the
hell they're calling it now in Chicago. But Bill, I
gotta ask you about this Braves team that we're gonna
see tonight. I mean this Braves team. Man, they're they're
number one and run score, They're number two in e
r A in baseball.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The gap between them and the second best offensive team
in baseball is the same as the gap between number
two and number ten. I mean, I mean, they are
the best offensive team by a large, large margin. And
now Logan Gilbert is gonna get a test tonight. Uh
we're gonna see tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Uh, the the.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Kid that's number three in the league in e R
a and Bryce Elder Jr. Ritchie from would you say
Bainbridge tonight? By the way, So give me a take
on this challenge ahead of these guys in in the
in this series.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Well, they're just they're whacks in the league right now.
They're they're they're they're dominant to have that much going
on both sides of the baseball and the nurse don't
even see the fire breathing drag and Chris Stale.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Right so he kind of doves that bullet.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
But uh, you know, Suaz at the end, they got
a lot of good young pitching that that I don't
know a hell of a lot about. Uh, they got
to line up with some guys I don't know, Baldwin
leaving leaving them and hitting.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
We know who Olsen is.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Kuna's hurt, that's one saving grace Albie's we know him,
his Hairris the second is hitting for them. And you know,
they got a bunch of guys. They got some guys
you know, and uh, and they can do both pitch
and hit. When you do that, you know, it's it's
a it's a rough, rough seat. I think this we
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got pitching. It's tough to hit, you know, Gilbert's tough
to hit. Gilbert's problem is he needs to figure out
how to be more efficient. How do I not have
to have seven pitches that I throw.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
For him to me?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, he doesn't have great fastball command. He wants to
throw the fastball for show. He wants to make you
swing at it, and he wants to pitch with everything else.
But he's got so many choices that it's water it
down and they all kind of meld together.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think when I look.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
At his inning the year when he threw two on innings,
he threw his slider a lot, it was fastball slider split.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Now he's throwing the change up, and I like the
change up. But I settled in.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
On one breaking ball and get some command of that,
and get get more willing on even counts to throw
something away, try to hit the outside corner and get
some contact and move the game along.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
You got good stuff, You're you know everything. The metrics.
You know, Gilbert is off the chart metric wise, but
he pitch you. He barely gives you five innings a start.
He's way too good for that, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Wou look you take a look at any great picture,
and he had two in a row that were not good.
Everybody's got that in the the resume. Okay, so everybody
needs to calm down. What he needs to do is
not get caught up. Am I tipping? No, you're in
the middle of the plate right now, and you got
to use a change of speed sometimes early in the
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count because guys are looking and hunting the fact basketball
first pitch, because you're trying to carve out a big
piece of the plate right out of the chute, because
you don't want to walk people. Well, they've kind of
sorted that one out a little bit, and you've got
to be able to get to your pitches where you
want to throw him.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He just has to find toune it a little bit.
He's going to be fine.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
So the Mariners haven't have the edge because they can
ready pitch and they're in their park, and so you know,
you could you can have the brave struggle a little
bit to score.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Let's let's see what happens with our great pitching.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Now we don't have the bullpen so as much as
that that they've had.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So that's a that's a bit of a problem.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Spier being out puts even more of a load on Forarrara,
and I'm trying to figure out how I should feel
Bill when Farrera comes in protecting a one run lead.
I mean, he's got a good era, but his batting
average against his ops is high. How should I feel
when Farrera comes in trying to protect a three to
two lead in the seven?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Well, he's advanced from playing you know, Uh, he's playing
on the island to midfit toys that that team was
not very good and he came from so they're not
really playing for anything. They're not pitching under pressure. You know,
you're just pitching the fill innings. Right, Just try to
hopefully not embarrass yourself every night.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Not him in particular. I'm talking about you know, the Nationals.
But you know he's got a big arm.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They're trying to get him to throw his slider a
little bit more so he's can be better against left
He's got great change up. Shoot, throw your change up
to lefties. You know, I mean there's no rules. You
got ninety seven, so you know that's that's gonna be.
That's gonna be able to give you the spread to
throw your change up. I just think he needs to
get more comfortable in those situations and he's.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Had a reasonable amount of success.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
But now you're asking to step up in the number
one chair and he's going to have to be able
to perform. He's going to have to be able to
come in and face you know, Olsen and figure it out, right,
So we'll just I understand that. I mean, look at
his resume when he got here. It's potential. It's not
results are it's potential. They went out and found with
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the catcher they didn't need, and they found a power
lefty that they didn't have to go and pay for.
And he's a little bit of a work in progress,
but the Mirrors have been pretty good at taking relievers
that are working progress and making them better, So you know,
keep the confidence up with him.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, are you concerned at all about what's going on
with Cow?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Of course, I mean there's just so much drama and
not knowing what the heck right.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I don't know. Maybe I'm just not as in tune
to what's going on.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
But it was such a mystery when he went down,
and then it was a mystery for a couple of days,
and then it's still not quite yet determined what the
injury is.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So I know, one thing. That guy eats nails for breakfast.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
And if he's not, if he's if something's bothering him,
it's really bothering him because you got a straight jacket,
that dude.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
And it takes three guys to do it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Well, it always took two to do Secret, it takes
three to do Rawley. He wants to play man, so
you have to protect him against himself. So whatever that takes,
if it means they have to iew him, you have
to suck it up and give him some rest.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I'm worried about him, but I'm not worried like he's
done for the year.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I'm just worried, like you know, they're in a they're
they're they're playing without their best player, and so it's kind.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Of tough, right.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, it's a great description of cal Rowley that he
eats nails for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I prefer the Mickey.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Line from Rocky he eats lightning and Crapstunda. That's what
this guy is all about. He's a top associate like
that one. Yeah, it's because I'm old, all right, Bill,
you're the man. Great stuff, Buddy, Enjoy this series with
the Braves and we'll talk on Monday.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Right, all right, guys, thanks all right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Bill Krueger with us on the radio show. I think
Emerson Hancock is going to join us next segment. Mike
Benton's waiting for him to come off the field right
now over at T Mobile Park. A guy that won
one hundred and three pitches, which is a career high,
struck out fourteen, career high. I want to know if
he lobbied the skipper at all to let him stay
in the game and keep the thing going. I think
they had the top of the order coming up, so
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look in the end. Obviously it didn't work out because
they lost. But Emerson Hancock, who was freaking phenomenal on
Saturday night, he is set to join us next live
from TEA Mobile coming up. As we continue from Jimmy's
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
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Speaker 4 (19:28):
He just threw them a pair of handcuffs.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Hamberson handcock strikeout number fourteen.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Crack him up, Surprise, surprise, another sweeper right here at
seventy six miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
All right, we are back here live from Jimmy's on
First across the street from T Mobile Park, and you
heard the call right there courtesy of Mariners TV MLB.
You know what, you strike out fourteen hitters in a game,
there's a clause in your contract that says you get
to come on the radio show, So talk about it
with us. That's this guy's prize. Hell of a prize, right,
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somebody's thrilled after striking out fourteen. Everson Hancock joins us
right now across the street at T Mobile Park.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Emerson, how are you, man?
Speaker 10 (20:11):
Hey, guys, it's going on. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, not much man. First of all, congrats on a
hell of a start on Saturday night. I know you
trade it all for a win against those pesky Royals
on Saturday, but damn did you look good?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
How did that feel? How'd you feel going through that
lineup on Saturday?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Pal?
Speaker 10 (20:30):
Yeah, I mean I think Saturday was special, you know,
just with you know, retiring Randy's number. For me, it
was a completely a whole new experience because you know,
I'm trying to get ready for the game, but you know,
as it's going on, Like you kind of want to
enjoy everything that's going on. You see all the messages
with people sending in and congratulating Randy, So I mean,
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obviously congrats to him. That was awesome. And then you know,
just trying to be locked in and get ready to
go out there and execute, and you know, it's just
kind of part of it. The overall pretty special night.
Like you said, would love to get the win, but
that's baseball.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Yeah, let's talk about Emerson Hancock as a pitcher. Difference
between twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. Obviously, even
idiots like me can see the sweeper that we didn't
see last year. But what else besides that new pitch
has taken you to the next level?
Speaker 10 (21:16):
I think just more strikes. You know, the walks are down,
you know, commanding the ball in the strike gone, just
trusting your stuff a little bit more. And you know,
if you're eliminating free bases and you make some treing
together a couple of hits, it's a lot harder on
opposing lineup.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No question about it. But the transformation from a guy
that this team was using as a reliever, remember that
those days at times last year and where you are now.
I mean, just talk about this journey and kind of
what you felt that you had to show these guys
to earn this spot that you have now.
Speaker 10 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean I think you got to go out
and you got to earn it, you know, week by week.
I think last year was you know, a growing experience
in a lot of different ways as a starter, but
also learning you know, how to be a bull piece.
And for me, you know, extremely grateful for that experience,
just the things that you learned about preparation, you know,
a different mental approach to it, and you know, I
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knew I needed to make some adjustments going to this season.
I knew that I needed to pitch to a higher
standard because you know, that's that's the level that we
want to pitch at here. And you were able to
make some adjustments. I went into camp and you know,
everything had just seemed like, you know, it had improved
on it, and I just kind of wanted to keep
going at it, and there's still always stuff to work
on and improve and I just kind of want to
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try to keep doing that week by week.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Well, I don't think you're ever going to forget that
start on Saturday night, no question about it, not just
because of the fourteen strikeouts, because it was also Randy
Johnson Knight. How much did that kind of juice you
up inspire you? And then also how did you have
to adjust because I mean, you guys didn't start for
fifteen to twenty minutes past when you thought you were
going to start pitching in that game.
Speaker 10 (22:53):
Well, I mean, you know going into it that the
schedule might be a little bit off, but I mean
that's just part of it. But I mean that's also
kind of you know what it's like being a reliever
in a way, like there's no certain routine. It's just
getting the bullpen, get loose, and you know when it's
time for first pitch, just go out there and compete.
And again, like like you said, you always remember a
night like like that, and you know you're trying to
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enjoy it as much you can because it's a special
moment for for anyone that that happens. You get your
jersey retired, all the stuff that went into like the
career that he had, the competitor that he was, like,
you want to appreciate that as much as you can
as a player, and just to be able to start
on it, you know, was a was an honor.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, did you, Everson Hancock with us, did you honestly
try to convince the skipper or even think about all right,
I'm at one hundred and three pitches, it's a career high.
I've struck out fourteen. I really don't want to leave
this game. Did you try and convince Dan to let
you keep going? At least to come out for the
eighth for one more hitter?
Speaker 10 (23:53):
I mean, as competitor, you you always want to go
in there, But at the same time, you know, I
just go until they take the all away from me.
You know, I just want to do my job. I
learn do the best that I can. And you know,
when Dan said it was, you know, the end of
the night. You know, that's that's part of it. He
turned over the bullpen and the you know, the rest
of the game just kind of goes that way. But
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you never want to come out. But at the same time,
you know, when the just kind of you do everything
you can down there to I just whatever Dan says,
it's all right, I skip for we got you.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Yeah, Everson, I'm looking at your game log and it's
ridiculously consistent.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
I mean, the.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Worst game you've pitched this year is five innings, three runs,
and yet when you look at the results, you only
have three decisions.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
You're two and one. The team's three and four when you.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Pitch, So is that does it get a little you know,
you get a little legs and you're like, man, I
really want to help this I'm doing everything I can
to help this team win.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
But it's not always happening on the win loss Ledger.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
I think that's just baseball like that. That's how the
this game is going to go, and that's how the
season's going to go. And you know, it just goes
for all of us. We go out there, we compete
as hard as we can. You know, you trust your
stuff and at the end of the day, the results
are what they are. You just want to go out
there and do everything we can to try to get wins.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, well, talk about this, bravesteam real quick.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I'm assuming a kid from Cairo, Georgia may have grown
up in an Atlanta Brave fan.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Yeah, you got that right for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, what's it like for I mean, what's it like
facing these guys? I mean, you've been around the majors
long enough now where the whole novelty's probably worn off
a little bit for you. Maybe it would have been
a different question when you were a rookie a few
years back, But what do you think about maybe just
you know, seeing these guys across the way and and
you know, having your team go up against your childhood
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you know team in some ways.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
Yeah, absolutely, I remember pitching against something I think back
in twenty four and that was one of the more
experiences where you're like, Okay, like this is really cool.
And I think now it's gotten to the point where
you know, you're you're looking at their lineup, you're looking
at their team, and you know I won't get a
pitch this series, but you're still thinking about, like, all right,
how would I go again these guys? How would I
want to match up to them? And you kind of
want to you see how the game goes. They got
(26:04):
a great team, great lineup, just all around really good group.
So it's gonna be a great series, great challenge for us.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, Everson Hancock, listen, man, great stuff. Did you one
more for you?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
We'll let you go.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Did you save anything from that game on Saturday? Any memorabilia,
like are you a collector?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Are you? Are you even into that kind of stuff?
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Not too much. I mean obviously you know you get
a ball obviously with the career high strikeout, that's something
that I'll keep forever. And it's actually got you know,
like they did the logo with Randy Johnson on it,
which I was like, all right, that's really really cool
and that's something that I know I'll keep forever. Yeah,
And I thought, what a what a cool wait, especially
with the stuff that we have in our hats and
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our jerseys. I mean just they did a great job
with that on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Hey listen, man, great job Saturday. Go get them next
time around and then we'll talk down the road.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Buddy.
Speaker 10 (26:55):
Thanks everything, awesome, guys, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, appreciate man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Just looking at some quick numbers that in his last
twenty three starts, because remember Dick last year he had one, two, three, four, five,
six games or seven games sorry where he came out
of the bullpen. So I've got his last twenty three
starts going back to last year, and then the seven
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starts this year he's allowed three runs or less in
nineteen of the twenty three, nineteen of the twenty three
going back to last year, this guy's good for three
or less. I mean, there's just no team in baseball
that would turn that down from their number six starter.
I mean, and he's not your number six guy anymore.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
By the way, I'm frustrated looking at his last four
starts because they were so awesome six and two, six
and two, five and three, seven and one, and the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Lost three of the four games.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I mean, he is doing everything out there to give
the Mariners the best chance to win. And whether it's
the bullpen ruin it for him, whether it's the offense
not coming through, I mean, he's kind of getting Felix
right now.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, they're fifteen and fourteen in his last nineteen games
he's pitched in. That doesn't that that includes relief appearances,
by the way, so I gotta filter it out. But yeah,
I mean we've seen that before. Man, this is what
happens sometimes to these guys. I mean, look at look
at all these dudes. Go back and look a couple
of years ago, what the record was with Kirby, Gilbert
and Castillo on the mound. They were barely above five hundred,
and you mentioned Felix Hernandez. I mean absolutely, it's happening
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to him in a lot of ways. But the talent
is obvious. The talent is so good with this guy.
And the conversation again about whether or not this guy
is gonna be in the rotation, it's over. I would
just add, you know three possibilities, and Kruger mentioned one
of them. Either A Bryce Miller comes back and takes
Castillo's spot. B Bryce Miller stays at Triple A and
(28:39):
Castillo stays here, or B Bryce Miller goes to the bullpen.
None of the conversations now involved moving Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I one think the most intriguing option is the one
that Bill presented today with.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Especially with the injuries that you have.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
I mean, you know Munnos's rickety spire is out.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
I mean you need help there.
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
All right, we're back at Jimmy's on first and we
got a couple options on the docket, by the way,
and the two obvious ones are Emerson Hancock's unbelievable performance
over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
It would be a golden moment.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
On its own with fourteen strikeouts one hundred and three pitches,
both career highs for him against Kansas City. But Randy Johnson,
I know that you went to the game yesterday, Dick.
I was there on Saturday night watching that speech, watching
all the video tributes coming in. It was a little
weird because they had Griffy and they had Jay, and
they had Dan and they had each your row sitting
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there around Randy. But they had video tributes from them.
They weren't live on the mic. Like I said, here's
a video from Griffy, who happens to be right. It
was a little weird, but whatever than the adro one, yes,
for sure, But it was great to see everybody there.
They had a tribute from Panela, which was awesome to
hear from him and see from him. But Randy Johnson
spoke at length. It was a great speech, funny, uh, engaging.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Everybody was enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
He had one line though, that got everybody, every sports
fan of the building fired up on Saturday.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Seattle has always been a big part of my family
and my career and.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
It always will be.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
So hear it firsthand from me. Who can forget about
the SuperSonics, Mount Reindier, Rainier beer, and the music scene.
I learned a lot here on and off the field,
(30:59):
and I will always be thankful for my time playing
here with the Mariners and for the fans who supported us.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Thank you all right?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Well yeah, I mean he got everybody all jack there
and your beer's got to be like, yes, thank you.
They had a couple of dudes from sound Garden that
were there obviously as well on Saturday night. But I
mean I was hoping there would have been more people
on the stands on Saturday. I know they announced about
forty two thousand people at the game.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
They were good on TV.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
There were not forty two thousand people there for the speech.
There was way less than that. But I will tell
you this though. One thing that somebody said to me,
and it's A good point is that I don't know
if a lot of people even knew that was happening
on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I agree, and you know why.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And somebody mentioned this to me over the weekend. This
guy said, I didn't even know until you told me
it was happening on Saturday because outside of the games,
nobody sees Root Sports anymore, and they used to use
that network to promote all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Dave, I didn't know until like Wednesday, come on, didn't
come on.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
Don't know until Wednesday they were doing Randy Johnson.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yes you did. I didn't.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I mean, I knew at some point this they were
gonna do Randy Johnson. And I'm sure that like a
week and a half ago, I got an email, but
I get forty seven emails a week from the Mariners,
so I probably just.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
You know, and I didn't know until like Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That is that's shocking to me.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But that but that.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Proves your point that I think a lot of people
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, Jackson, did you know that they were doing that Saturday? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (32:20):
I mean, because I stay very in tune with all
the promotion schedules and stuff, and I.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Mean, you're in the business too, right.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
That's I'm surprised you didn't know that, because for a
guy like you, you're you're, you're in the damn business.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You should know that.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not criticizing you,
don't take it that way at all, but that just
shows you that there may be were a buttload of
people that had known.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
No, I just for me, I think maybe like those
things have never really interested me that much. Wow, like
the giveaways, the special nights, or when I go to
a baseball game, I just want to go to a
baseball game. Like I literally stumbled in to the Echiro
(33:01):
game that when he when his jersey was retired. Wow,
I got tickets like three months in advance, and it
just so happened to be the night that each ero.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
God, you got it.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
It's just not something that I'm you know, I can't
relate to that.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
I mean, I really I think it would have been
cool to go to that game certainly, And I watched
it on television. I thought I was gonna go Saturday,
and it turned out my tickets were for Sunday, so
I went.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I went on Sunday, but I but I ended up
watching I watched the.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Whole ceremony on TV because I was intro Once I
found out it was Rady Johnson Day, I was very
very interested in it.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
I actually for Yeah, for me, it's just one of
those things where I sort of need to get the
incentive to go more than just watch a baseball game.
I mean, I'm at the point where I'm gonna say
this line, You're gonna roll your eyes. I'm at the
point in my life where I've been to so many
just random games on Tuesdays in the summers and just
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you know, Saturdays in the in the springs. Well, okay, Like,
if I'm going to a base I want to either
see something more to be a big game. Like I
don't go to that many mirror games anymore because I
go to games down the stretch. I go to games
when there are is like retirement ceremonies, or there are bobbleheads,
or there are jersey giveaways, because that's the extra incentive
to get me.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's interesting, Well, it means you're basically what you're saying
is you're getting old, is what you're talking about. You
you gotta have reasons to get your ass off the
couch and the traffic, and I totally get it. I mean,
I just think for me having a retired number, I
don't know. I mean, it's it's still a big damn
deal to me. You know, when a guy gets a
number retired, I mean, next up is probably gonna be
there's a chance that maybe Felix gets thirty four retired
(34:35):
down the road, we'll see. I mean, so far, the
Mariners have done basically what the Seahawks have done, and
that you gotta be a Hall of Famer, right, you know,
or a Hall of Fame caliber guy. I mean, you know,
Edgar Martinez was Ecker's number retired before.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He made the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Remind me, I'm not sure if the top of my head,
because I remember, I remember they threw in the kind
of borderline where you know, Hall of Fame player that
the they knew that if Edgar Martinez did not make
the Hall of Fame, they still wanted to retire number eleven.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
They retired at number eleven in twenty seventeen. He was
definitely correct Hall of Fame man.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, yes, So they've got that little caveat there where
they could potentially do that for a guy like a
Felix Hernandez when was who you were retired again.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Seventeen the Hall of Fame and we didn't know because
it was a last minute Larry.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
For Edgar getting doors open for Felix, doors open for
Felix to make the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
You said, get the number of.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Times you said hall of Fame caliber player.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
And while I don't think, well I don't think Felix
is a Hall of Fame player, I think he could
be considered a Hall of Fame caliber.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Play, no question.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I mean, if there's if there's a if we're doing
a Joe Lonardi Hall of Fame bracket, he's.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
First four out.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Yes, he's right, He's right.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
He's because of his record, and his record was only
because of his idiot offense he played with when he
was in sand If they had the offense now would
be and be.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
A tony different stories. So I mean I would do it.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You know, I saw somebody the other day, I know,
Stanton announced on Saturday Night than Randy is gonna get
a statue, and somebody actually recom was tweeting about this
that there's there's too many statues. You know, it's becoming
watered down, blah blah blah. Look, I get that. You
know that we used to have none and now we
have three, and we're gonna have four.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
The Tigers have nine outside their stay.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Lakers have it night many too.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
If the Tigers have a longer history than we do,
I get it. They're going back, you know, way way early,
you know, twentieth century, so they've got a lot more guys.
But this is part of having a history, man, And
I think it's harder for older people to kind of
maybe figure that out. That when you and I grew up,
we would go to the Kingdome for a seahawk game, Jackson,
and there was one retired number.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
It was number twelve.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
The Mariners had zero retired numbers and the Sonics had
like two.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, when we were kids.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
So I think for older people, like in their fifties
and sixties, this feels like it's getting watered down. It
feels to me, Jackson, And you'd be a better person
to answer this than I would that for the younger generation,
this is kind of Hey, you look at those legends,
is almost like mythical figures, and they should be honored.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
That's kind of right, because I mean specifically for Randy.
I I mean, listen, I really got into the Mariners
in probably about two thousand. Like my earliest Mariner memory
was being there for Carlos Gian's squeeze to win it right,
and and that kind of dates you of mind Randy Johnson,
you know, memories there aren't, so I do view him
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as this figure that was just unstoppable, and in taking
in all the highlights this last week and kind of
learning more, I didn't realize the immense struggles that he
had before talking to Nolan Ryan and before they changes,
and it was yeah, and it's sort of like my god,
like the mythical figure that I had built up in
my head for the last twenty years of this just dominent,
(38:00):
you know, beast on the mound for damn near a
decade now, like he eased into that, and it like
I think that my generation, it would do us well
to like go back and really take the Like I
took a lot of time last week and went and
studied Randy Johnson and watched a lot, and it's sort
of like we I think we owe it my generations
themselves to go and do that.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So Dick the statue is still TBD at where it's
gonna go.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I'll tell you where I'd put it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Where's that right there, glove left field entrance.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, that's where he came out of the bullpen.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
That's right, Well, you know I came out.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
I have a very different take on that, because you're
already building the first base line with statues. I think
you need to go to continue that keep going. Now,
I don't eve think continue you just start building the curve.
So you do one kind of on the other side
of home plate and you start building the third base line.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You know, Dave, I'm glad you brought up the history
thing because it dawned on me probably for the first
time when I was I was watching the Saturday Night
ceremony with my son, and when Randy came out of
the bullpen bullpen with Welcome to the Jungle with the
fire and everything, I was like, Oh my god, this
is the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
And he goes, what do you mean?
Speaker 8 (39:16):
And so after the ceremony was over, I went back
and showed him Game five of him coming out of
the bullpen and taking care of him one two, three
and getting out of it, and then showed him the
end of the game.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
And then when we saw Rilly No, I didn't that part.
I skipped that part.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
I went right to the I won right the eleventh
thing for you and watching Griffy and watching Edgar and
watching eachro and I was like, it really dawned on
me for the first time, because, like you said, you
and I thought the Mariners had zero history, because they
had zero history, and I'm like, my god, my favorite
baseball team.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
We have a history.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Now, we like legitimately have a history with multiple people
that every single baseball fan in the world, right nose
and by a first name.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Still got no World Series. Though, Man, that's nice. That
would be nice. It would be nice.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I mean it's kind of it's actually ridiculous, Like, how
do you even do that fifty years? How do you
play fifty years and not even just into a World Series,
like just.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Showing up and putting your pants.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Would the Red Sox go right? I mean they went
seventy No, because they made it. They made it a bunch,
they made it right without a Yeah, with that title.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm saying, we haven't even you get my point. I
mean it's like that that is crazy impossible to do. Man,
to pull that off, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
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but certainly loving that right now.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
How's that? Let's start with.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, let's talk about what we saw for the weekend, man.
I mean, obviously the ups and downs. Emerson Hancock. Mariners
lost the game where he struck out fourteen batters, which
is hard to comprehend in some ways. But what you
make of what you saw in the three games sweep
by the Royals.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Man, well, I think they were riding high coming out
of the Minnesota series. You know, had a great road trip,
and then you know, the portent of bad things to
come starts with Brash his injury and then he goes
on the il and that's a big blow to the
bullpen because he's their best reliever. It's not consistent that
he doesn't get all the o's, but you take him
(02:01):
out of the equation, and then of course, you know,
Cal comes up with a mysterious injury that's still waiting
to be sort of determined at this point, and he's
such an important part of this team. You subtract those
two players, you've already got Donovan on the shelf, and
he's not. I got the impression that he might be back.
I just I almost. I almost thought he was going
(02:22):
to be back like now, but clearly that that hasn't
quite happened. So a little shorthanded, right, and then more
bad news since with Spire. But in looking at this
Kansas City Series, at Kansasity's per good team. They have
a bad bullpen. We weren't able to take advantage of it.
They got some left handed pitching. We struggle with left
(02:44):
handed pitching. But really what it comes down to is
the fact that we didn't play real clean and I
think this is a team that plays at the margin.
That's a good defender, that's a good pitcher, and the
pitching catch game wasn't there. You know, the game they
lost with Hancock pitched and the mistakes were pretty pretty glaring.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Right, we have the don't.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Know the count a Rose Arena takes off, he gets
tagged out. Granted it was it was an obstruction play
that should have been called, but you know kind of
where baseball God's kind of got got what you deserved,
I think for not knowing the count right. And then
you know, you have the bock by Munos that puts
the runner in scoring position, and of course that's gonna
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bad things happen when.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You do that.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
And he hasn't been real clean as far as being
able to pitch without allowing some hits or some runners
on base this year. And then of course an extra
innings you have the you know, Massy taking off and
then Garber throwing the ball straight to second base. And
you know, I was taught, you know, we have a
lot of those types of plays that happened when you're
(03:50):
a pitcher and balls hit sharply back to you the
man on second. The man the man on second is
frozen between second and third because he react to the
ball beating hit hard. And my job is turn ball
in hand and run right at him and driving back
to second.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
So to me, that wasn't talked about.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The Garber has to get out from behind the plate
and run the run up the runner, make and make
a commitment because as soon as he got the third
it's money.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
You know, he gets a fly ball and that does it. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
We're just not a team that's playing at full strength.
I mean you could take the six to six game
and say, well maybe, uh that's a scoring game and
you know who wasn't great? But the Mariners put some
tallies up. But then your short of, your short of,
your short of reliever and it comes to bear right
because they have their little equation out there, and who's
to know where Aspire was the last couple of days
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since he's now I eld. So I think there's a
lot of mitigating factors there. I think what you need
to keep reminding yourself, and I know that's where we
live right now with this team, is that they're still
like number three and runs allowed, And to me, that's
a big number. I look at runs aloud and to me,
that's the carrying number. You know, you're in the top
six and and runs allowed, you're gonna be in the playoffs.
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That's just a fact. So I know they're not there yet.
I know they're not playing clean. I know they're short offensively,
and now they've got some injuries in the pitching side.
So these are things that will sort themselves out before
it's all over with.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It doesn't feel good right now, though.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, can I jump in for a quick second.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
They they led the league in era like three years
ago and missed the postseason.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, I mean, it can't happen, that's true.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I'm sure you can.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
You can, you could point at that, but you know,
there was a lot of not trying on the offensive
side of that team.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Right Yeah, Bill, you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
You have to you have to be Let me let
me let me say that.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
You know, right now they're like twenty second in average
I think, and or maybe lower twenty six and twenty
fifth and average, and then homers are like twelve slugging
they're like twenty second, Which is interesting that the spread
the spread between those and they're they're not They're not
in I think low twenties and run score.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
They need to be in the middle. They got to
be great.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
They just have to be in the middle. You can't
be at the bottom. Okay, So I would say there's
your point.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Bill.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
You mentioned the mental mistakes and we're seeing it team wide.
What do you attribute the lack of concentration to to
when it's more than just one or two players.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Well, I think there's really just that one egregious mistake
by a rose Arena that really stands out on the
mental side.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean, you know Crawford kicked the ball yesterday.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
You know Garver's play, You can't say that mental mistake.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
They've had, They've had some, they've had some some unclean plays.
I'm just saying that when you're playing close to the best,
you have to that's the way they play. They play
to the margin, right, they play where they can get
And this this this goes back. It harkens back to
why is the tipping point the fifth or sixth inning?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Why do we have to play the platoon game in
fifth sting?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Used to be they played that game in this seventh
and eighth because that is the moment where it determines
whether or not we go to the good side of
our bullpen or we sort of throw up the white
flag and throw to the back end of the bullpen,
which are not very talented. Okay, that's why Dan is
forced to make a play right then and there, even
though it's so early that they come back around then
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you wish you had really and you wish you had cancel.
And that's kind of that that's been and they've had
a couple of moments where it worked out, but that's
where it's really been challenging because you're playing close run
run games and you're trying to get to your bullpen,
and that's why everything hitches on that. That's where they
play to I think they're short out there, honestly, even
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if they have all their guys right, which I think
is an interesting conversation to talk about what they haven't
that's getting rehabbed right now.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Okay, well let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, what do you do if you're Jared Depoto
or Justin Hollander? Are you just relying on guys to
get healthy again? Are you playing ad on with this
roster even with those guys coming back eventually?
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Well, they added Suarez, you know, off the Braves roster.
His numbers weren't very good, but he's a veteran lefty.
He can pitch in the middle, he can pitch a
couple innings. I mean, I think baseball is like, what's
wrong with you, Baseball? I'm carrying at least a guy
that can pitch to the lineup so I don't have
to lean hard on the one any one at a time,
and then crying after two days in a row that
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I don't have any pitching when you need to have
someone that can buffer a game, that's good, good enough
to pitch to the lineup.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Not saying that Suarez is the answer.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Clearly, everybody's got five or six left handers in their
lineup and you need more left getting stronger. They're looking
for seventy pitches this next time out, But I just
get the sneaking suspicion that they're gonna have a meeting
with him and decide that maybe he's ready now and
bring him up because without Brash, they need another guy
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for sure, and I think Bryce Miller could really help
this team at least to start off in the middle
of the game and see where it goes from there.
I think they need another talented armed down there, and
Bryce would not be happy about that.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
But guess what.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
In the past year and a half he's been it's
been hard for him to post, and he's been up
and down, and right now Hancock is pitching brilliantly, so
he can't come out and Castillo's getting paid, and even
though he's not pitching well, you need to have Adoza
patience with him to sort it out a little bit.
Because the last three years he's three and a half
(09:29):
harn eighty innings bank on it. So I think you
need to have a little patience with him.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Bill Soft and I earlier were discussing whether we should
have any optimism based upon what we saw from Louis
Castillo's start yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
What do you say about.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I think he had He had started the game with
an ata fastball, and with that that really allowed him
to kind of pitch his game. And then he had
the one inning where he got behind and then it's
hard for him to chase above the line, and then
he gets a little nibbley and walks couple and and
(10:09):
you know, hits a guy and he's got himself in
a pickle and gives up a few. I think he
was better. But eighty percent fastball, I don't know. Is
that who's making that decision? That's too many, that's too many.
He's not good enough to throw eighty percent fastball. He
doesn't have the invisible kind of he does up shoot
the baseball. He is a fastball pitcher. But he is
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going to have to throw sliders to ride. He's no problem.
He's got a nice slider to ride. He but the
left he it's a little nikolie. He tries to throw
it and make it go across the outside corner.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
It's not very good.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
He needs his change up. But he needs to go
back and look at the tape at Cincinnati. Him and
Pete need to sit down and look at that and say,
what is it? What is he was Mario Soto junior
at Cincinnati with a change up.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now where is it?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
It's eighty nine to ninety. It's just not as good
as good as it needs to be. He needs to
get that pitched out. In today's game, there is no
rover and right center, left hand hitting is back. Everybody's
loading the stack in the deck, and he's not great
against left hand hitters, so he needs that pitch.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I think it's still there. Confident guy cools a cucumber.
He's used to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
He's had, you know, periods of time in his long
career where he's he's his stuff a little bit. I
think he figures it out and so this was a
little It was a step in the right direction. He
has to feel better about it himself after this game.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, well, his next start is in Chicago over the weekend,
right against a not very good offensive team. They got
a good pitching staff. The White Sox are way better
than they were a couple of years ago. They shouldn't
because they were in the gutter, you know, a couple
of years ago. So anything that even looks remotely decent
is going to be a major reparade over what we saw.
But you know, the win could be a problem obviously
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out there. Uh you know, comiss Ski or whatever the
hell they're calling it now in Chicago. But Bill, I
gotta ask you about this Braves team that we're gonna
see tonight. I mean this Braves team. Man, they're they're
number one and run score, They're number two in e
r A in baseball.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The gap between them and the second best offensive team
in baseball is the same as the gap between number
two and number ten. I mean, I mean, they are
the best offensive team by a large, large margin. And
now Logan Gilbert is gonna get a test tonight. Uh
we're gonna see tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Uh, the the.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Kid that's number three in the league in e R
a and Bryce Elder Jr. Ritchie from would you say
Bainbridge tonight? By the way, So give me a take
on this challenge ahead of these guys in in the
in this series.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Well, they're just they're whacks in the league right now.
They're they're they're they're dominant to have that much going
on both sides of the baseball and the nurse don't
even see the fire breathing drag and Chris Stale.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Right so he kind of doves that bullet.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
But uh, you know, Suaz at the end, they got
a lot of good young pitching that that I don't
know a hell of a lot about. Uh, they got
to line up with some guys I don't know, Baldwin
leaving leaving them and hitting.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
We know who Olsen is.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Kuna's hurt, that's one saving grace Albie's we know him,
his Hairris the second is hitting for them. And you know,
they got a bunch of guys. They got some guys
you know, and uh, and they can do both pitch
and hit. When you do that, you know, it's it's
a it's a rough, rough seat. I think this we
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got pitching. It's tough to hit, you know, Gilbert's tough
to hit. Gilbert's problem is he needs to figure out
how to be more efficient. How do I not have
to have seven pitches that I throw.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
For him to me?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, he doesn't have great fastball command. He wants to
throw the fastball for show. He wants to make you
swing at it, and he wants to pitch with everything else.
But he's got so many choices that it's water it
down and they all kind of meld together.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think when I look.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
At his inning the year when he threw two on innings,
he threw his slider a lot, it was fastball slider split.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Now he's throwing the change up, and I like the
change up. But I settled in.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
On one breaking ball and get some command of that,
and get get more willing on even counts to throw
something away, try to hit the outside corner and get
some contact and move the game along.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
You got good stuff, You're you know everything. The metrics.
You know, Gilbert is off the chart metric wise, but
he pitch you. He barely gives you five innings a start.
He's way too good for that, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Wou look you take a look at any great picture,
and he had two in a row that were not good.
Everybody's got that in the the resume. Okay, so everybody
needs to calm down. What he needs to do is
not get caught up. Am I tipping? No, you're in
the middle of the plate right now, and you got
to use a change of speed sometimes early in the
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count because guys are looking and hunting the fact basketball
first pitch, because you're trying to carve out a big
piece of the plate right out of the chute, because
you don't want to walk people. Well, they've kind of
sorted that one out a little bit, and you've got
to be able to get to your pitches where you
want to throw him.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He just has to find toune it a little bit.
He's going to be fine.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
So the Mariners haven't have the edge because they can
ready pitch and they're in their park, and so you know,
you could you can have the brave struggle a little
bit to score.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Let's let's see what happens with our great pitching.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Now we don't have the bullpen so as much as
that that they've had.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So that's a that's a bit of a problem.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Spier being out puts even more of a load on Forarrara,
and I'm trying to figure out how I should feel
Bill when Farrera comes in protecting a one run lead.
I mean, he's got a good era, but his batting
average against his ops is high. How should I feel
when Farrera comes in trying to protect a three to
two lead in the seven?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Well, he's advanced from playing you know, Uh, he's playing
on the island to midfit toys that that team was
not very good and he came from so they're not
really playing for anything. They're not pitching under pressure. You know,
you're just pitching the fill innings. Right, Just try to
hopefully not embarrass yourself every night.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Not him in particular. I'm talking about you know, the Nationals.
But you know he's got a big arm.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They're trying to get him to throw his slider a
little bit more so he's can be better against left
He's got great change up. Shoot, throw your change up
to lefties. You know, I mean there's no rules. You
got ninety seven, so you know that's that's gonna be.
That's gonna be able to give you the spread to
throw your change up. I just think he needs to
get more comfortable in those situations and he's.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Had a reasonable amount of success.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
But now you're asking to step up in the number
one chair and he's going to have to be able
to perform. He's going to have to be able to
come in and face you know, Olsen and figure it out, right,
So we'll just I understand that. I mean, look at
his resume when he got here. It's potential. It's not
results are it's potential. They went out and found with
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the catcher they didn't need, and they found a power
lefty that they didn't have to go and pay for.
And he's a little bit of a work in progress,
but the Mirrors have been pretty good at taking relievers
that are working progress and making them better, So you know,
keep the confidence up with him.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, are you concerned at all about what's going on
with Cow?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Of course, I mean there's just so much drama and
not knowing what the heck right.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I don't know. Maybe I'm just not as in tune
to what's going on.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
But it was such a mystery when he went down,
and then it was a mystery for a couple of days,
and then it's still not quite yet determined what the
injury is.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So I know, one thing. That guy eats nails for breakfast.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
And if he's not, if he's if something's bothering him,
it's really bothering him because you got a straight jacket,
that dude.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
And it takes three guys to do it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Well, it always took two to do Secret, it takes
three to do Rawley. He wants to play man, so
you have to protect him against himself. So whatever that takes,
if it means they have to iew him, you have
to suck it up and give him some rest.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I'm worried about him, but I'm not worried like he's
done for the year.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I'm just worried, like you know, they're in a they're
they're they're playing without their best player, and so it's kind.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Of tough, right.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, it's a great description of cal Rowley that he
eats nails for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I prefer the Mickey.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Line from Rocky he eats lightning and Crapstunda. That's what
this guy is all about. He's a top associate like
that one. Yeah, it's because I'm old, all right, Bill,
you're the man. Great stuff, Buddy, Enjoy this series with
the Braves and we'll talk on Monday.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Right, all right, guys, thanks all right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Bill Krueger with us on the radio show. I think
Emerson Hancock is going to join us next segment. Mike
Benton's waiting for him to come off the field right
now over at T Mobile Park. A guy that won
one hundred and three pitches, which is a career high,
struck out fourteen, career high. I want to know if
he lobbied the skipper at all to let him stay
in the game and keep the thing going. I think
they had the top of the order coming up, so
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look in the end. Obviously it didn't work out because
they lost. But Emerson Hancock, who was freaking phenomenal on
Saturday night, he is set to join us next live
from TEA Mobile coming up. As we continue from Jimmy's
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
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Speaker 4 (19:28):
He just threw them a pair of handcuffs.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Hamberson handcock strikeout number fourteen.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Crack him up, Surprise, surprise, another sweeper right here at
seventy six miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
All right, we are back here live from Jimmy's on
First across the street from T Mobile Park, and you
heard the call right there courtesy of Mariners TV MLB.
You know what, you strike out fourteen hitters in a game,
there's a clause in your contract that says you get
to come on the radio show, So talk about it
with us. That's this guy's prize. Hell of a prize, right,
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somebody's thrilled after striking out fourteen. Everson Hancock joins us
right now across the street at T Mobile Park.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Emerson, how are you, man?
Speaker 10 (20:11):
Hey, guys, it's going on. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, not much man. First of all, congrats on a
hell of a start on Saturday night. I know you
trade it all for a win against those pesky Royals
on Saturday, but damn did you look good?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
How did that feel? How'd you feel going through that
lineup on Saturday?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Pal?
Speaker 10 (20:30):
Yeah, I mean I think Saturday was special, you know,
just with you know, retiring Randy's number. For me, it
was a completely a whole new experience because you know,
I'm trying to get ready for the game, but you know,
as it's going on, Like you kind of want to
enjoy everything that's going on. You see all the messages
with people sending in and congratulating Randy, So I mean,
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obviously congrats to him. That was awesome. And then you know,
just trying to be locked in and get ready to
go out there and execute, and you know, it's just
kind of part of it. The overall pretty special night.
Like you said, would love to get the win, but
that's baseball.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Yeah, let's talk about Emerson Hancock as a pitcher. Difference
between twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. Obviously, even
idiots like me can see the sweeper that we didn't
see last year. But what else besides that new pitch
has taken you to the next level?
Speaker 10 (21:16):
I think just more strikes. You know, the walks are down,
you know, commanding the ball in the strike gone, just
trusting your stuff a little bit more. And you know,
if you're eliminating free bases and you make some treing
together a couple of hits, it's a lot harder on
opposing lineup.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No question about it. But the transformation from a guy
that this team was using as a reliever, remember that
those days at times last year and where you are now.
I mean, just talk about this journey and kind of
what you felt that you had to show these guys
to earn this spot that you have now.
Speaker 10 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean I think you got to go out
and you got to earn it, you know, week by week.
I think last year was you know, a growing experience
in a lot of different ways as a starter, but
also learning you know, how to be a bull piece.
And for me, you know, extremely grateful for that experience,
just the things that you learned about preparation, you know,
a different mental approach to it, and you know, I
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knew I needed to make some adjustments going to this season.
I knew that I needed to pitch to a higher
standard because you know, that's that's the level that we
want to pitch at here. And you were able to
make some adjustments. I went into camp and you know,
everything had just seemed like, you know, it had improved
on it, and I just kind of wanted to keep
going at it, and there's still always stuff to work
on and improve and I just kind of want to
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try to keep doing that week by week.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Well, I don't think you're ever going to forget that
start on Saturday night, no question about it, not just
because of the fourteen strikeouts, because it was also Randy
Johnson Knight. How much did that kind of juice you
up inspire you? And then also how did you have
to adjust because I mean, you guys didn't start for
fifteen to twenty minutes past when you thought you were
going to start pitching in that game.
Speaker 10 (22:53):
Well, I mean, you know going into it that the
schedule might be a little bit off, but I mean
that's just part of it. But I mean that's also
kind of you know what it's like being a reliever
in a way, like there's no certain routine. It's just
getting the bullpen, get loose, and you know when it's
time for first pitch, just go out there and compete.
And again, like like you said, you always remember a
night like like that, and you know you're trying to
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enjoy it as much you can because it's a special
moment for for anyone that that happens. You get your
jersey retired, all the stuff that went into like the
career that he had, the competitor that he was, like,
you want to appreciate that as much as you can
as a player, and just to be able to start
on it, you know, was a was an honor.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, did you, Everson Hancock with us, did you honestly
try to convince the skipper or even think about all right,
I'm at one hundred and three pitches, it's a career high.
I've struck out fourteen. I really don't want to leave
this game. Did you try and convince Dan to let
you keep going? At least to come out for the
eighth for one more hitter?
Speaker 10 (23:53):
I mean, as competitor, you you always want to go
in there, But at the same time, you know, I
just go until they take the all away from me.
You know, I just want to do my job. I
learn do the best that I can. And you know,
when Dan said it was, you know, the end of
the night. You know, that's that's part of it. He
turned over the bullpen and the you know, the rest
of the game just kind of goes that way. But
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you never want to come out. But at the same time,
you know, when the just kind of you do everything
you can down there to I just whatever Dan says,
it's all right, I skip for we got you.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Yeah, Everson, I'm looking at your game log and it's
ridiculously consistent.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
I mean, the.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Worst game you've pitched this year is five innings, three runs,
and yet when you look at the results, you only
have three decisions.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
You're two and one. The team's three and four when you.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Pitch, So is that does it get a little you know,
you get a little legs and you're like, man, I
really want to help this I'm doing everything I can
to help this team win.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
But it's not always happening on the win loss Ledger.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
I think that's just baseball like that. That's how the
this game is going to go, and that's how the
season's going to go. And you know, it just goes
for all of us. We go out there, we compete
as hard as we can. You know, you trust your
stuff and at the end of the day, the results
are what they are. You just want to go out
there and do everything we can to try to get wins.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, well, talk about this, bravesteam real quick.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I'm assuming a kid from Cairo, Georgia may have grown
up in an Atlanta Brave fan.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Yeah, you got that right for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, what's it like for I mean, what's it like
facing these guys? I mean, you've been around the majors
long enough now where the whole novelty's probably worn off
a little bit for you. Maybe it would have been
a different question when you were a rookie a few
years back, But what do you think about maybe just
you know, seeing these guys across the way and and
you know, having your team go up against your childhood
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you know team in some ways.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
Yeah, absolutely, I remember pitching against something I think back
in twenty four and that was one of the more
experiences where you're like, Okay, like this is really cool.
And I think now it's gotten to the point where
you know, you're you're looking at their lineup, you're looking
at their team, and you know I won't get a
pitch this series, but you're still thinking about, like, all right,
how would I go again these guys? How would I
want to match up to them? And you kind of
want to you see how the game goes. They got
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a great team, great lineup, just all around really good group.
So it's gonna be a great series, great challenge for us.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, Everson Hancock, listen, man, great stuff. Did you one
more for you?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
We'll let you go.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Did you save anything from that game on Saturday? Any memorabilia,
like are you a collector?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Are you? Are you even into that kind of stuff?
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Not too much. I mean obviously you know you get
a ball obviously with the career high strikeout, that's something
that I'll keep forever. And it's actually got you know,
like they did the logo with Randy Johnson on it,
which I was like, all right, that's really really cool
and that's something that I know I'll keep forever. Yeah,
And I thought, what a what a cool wait, especially
with the stuff that we have in our hats and
(26:45):
our jerseys. I mean just they did a great job
with that on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Hey listen, man, great job Saturday. Go get them next
time around and then we'll talk down the road.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Buddy.
Speaker 10 (26:55):
Thanks everything, awesome, guys, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, appreciate man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Just looking at some quick numbers that in his last
twenty three starts, because remember Dick last year he had one, two, three, four, five,
six games or seven games sorry where he came out
of the bullpen. So I've got his last twenty three
starts going back to last year, and then the seven
(27:20):
starts this year he's allowed three runs or less in
nineteen of the twenty three, nineteen of the twenty three
going back to last year, this guy's good for three
or less. I mean, there's just no team in baseball
that would turn that down from their number six starter.
I mean, and he's not your number six guy anymore.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
By the way, I'm frustrated looking at his last four
starts because they were so awesome six and two, six
and two, five and three, seven and one, and the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Lost three of the four games.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I mean, he is doing everything out there to give
the Mariners the best chance to win. And whether it's
the bullpen ruin it for him, whether it's the offense
not coming through, I mean, he's kind of getting Felix
right now.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, they're fifteen and fourteen in his last nineteen games
he's pitched in. That doesn't that that includes relief appearances,
by the way, so I gotta filter it out. But yeah,
I mean we've seen that before. Man, this is what
happens sometimes to these guys. I mean, look at look
at all these dudes. Go back and look a couple
of years ago, what the record was with Kirby, Gilbert
and Castillo on the mound. They were barely above five hundred,
and you mentioned Felix Hernandez. I mean absolutely, it's happening
(28:19):
to him in a lot of ways. But the talent
is obvious. The talent is so good with this guy.
And the conversation again about whether or not this guy
is gonna be in the rotation, it's over. I would
just add, you know three possibilities, and Kruger mentioned one
of them. Either A Bryce Miller comes back and takes
Castillo's spot. B Bryce Miller stays at Triple A and
(28:39):
Castillo stays here, or B Bryce Miller goes to the bullpen.
None of the conversations now involved moving Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I one think the most intriguing option is the one
that Bill presented today with.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Especially with the injuries that you have.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
I mean, you know Munnos's rickety spire is out.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
I mean you need help there.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
All right, we're back at Jimmy's on first and we
got a couple options on the docket, by the way,
and the two obvious ones are Emerson Hancock's unbelievable performance
over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
It would be a golden moment.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
On its own with fourteen strikeouts one hundred and three pitches,
both career highs for him against Kansas City. But Randy Johnson,
I know that you went to the game yesterday, Dick.
I was there on Saturday night watching that speech, watching
all the video tributes coming in. It was a little
weird because they had Griffy and they had Jay, and
they had Dan and they had each your row sitting
(30:00):
there around Randy. But they had video tributes from them.
They weren't live on the mic. Like I said, here's
a video from Griffy, who happens to be right. It
was a little weird, but whatever than the adro one, yes,
for sure, But it was great to see everybody there.
They had a tribute from Panela, which was awesome to
hear from him and see from him. But Randy Johnson
spoke at length. It was a great speech, funny, uh, engaging.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Everybody was enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
He had one line though, that got everybody, every sports
fan of the building fired up on Saturday.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Seattle has always been a big part of my family
and my career and.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
It always will be.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
So hear it firsthand from me. Who can forget about
the SuperSonics, Mount Reindier, Rainier beer, and the music scene.
I learned a lot here on and off the field,
(30:59):
and I will always be thankful for my time playing
here with the Mariners and for the fans who supported us.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Thank you all right?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Well yeah, I mean he got everybody all jack there
and your beer's got to be like, yes, thank you.
They had a couple of dudes from sound Garden that
were there obviously as well on Saturday night. But I
mean I was hoping there would have been more people
on the stands on Saturday. I know they announced about
forty two thousand people at the game.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
They were good on TV.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
There were not forty two thousand people there for the speech.
There was way less than that. But I will tell
you this though. One thing that somebody said to me,
and it's A good point is that I don't know
if a lot of people even knew that was happening
on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I agree, and you know why.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And somebody mentioned this to me over the weekend. This
guy said, I didn't even know until you told me
it was happening on Saturday because outside of the games,
nobody sees Root Sports anymore, and they used to use
that network to promote all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Dave, I didn't know until like Wednesday, come on, didn't
come on.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
Don't know until Wednesday they were doing Randy Johnson.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yes you did. I didn't.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I mean, I knew at some point this they were
gonna do Randy Johnson. And I'm sure that like a
week and a half ago, I got an email, but
I get forty seven emails a week from the Mariners,
so I probably just.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
You know, and I didn't know until like Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That is that's shocking to me.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But that but that.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Proves your point that I think a lot of people
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, Jackson, did you know that they were doing that Saturday? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (32:20):
I mean, because I stay very in tune with all
the promotion schedules and stuff, and I.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Mean, you're in the business too, right.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
That's I'm surprised you didn't know that, because for a
guy like you, you're you're, you're in the damn business.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You should know that.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not criticizing you,
don't take it that way at all, but that just
shows you that there may be were a buttload of
people that had known.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
No, I just for me, I think maybe like those
things have never really interested me that much. Wow, like
the giveaways, the special nights, or when I go to
a baseball game, I just want to go to a
baseball game. Like I literally stumbled in to the Echiro
(33:01):
game that when he when his jersey was retired. Wow,
I got tickets like three months in advance, and it
just so happened to be the night that each ero.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
God, you got it.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
It's just not something that I'm you know, I can't
relate to that.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
I mean, I really I think it would have been
cool to go to that game certainly, And I watched
it on television. I thought I was gonna go Saturday,
and it turned out my tickets were for Sunday, so
I went.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I went on Sunday, but I but I ended up
watching I watched the.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Whole ceremony on TV because I was intro Once I
found out it was Rady Johnson Day, I was very
very interested in it.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
I actually for Yeah, for me, it's just one of
those things where I sort of need to get the
incentive to go more than just watch a baseball game.
I mean, I'm at the point where I'm gonna say
this line, You're gonna roll your eyes. I'm at the
point in my life where I've been to so many
just random games on Tuesdays in the summers and just
(33:54):
you know, Saturdays in the in the springs. Well, okay, Like,
if I'm going to a base I want to either
see something more to be a big game. Like I
don't go to that many mirror games anymore because I
go to games down the stretch. I go to games
when there are is like retirement ceremonies, or there are bobbleheads,
or there are jersey giveaways, because that's the extra incentive
to get me.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's interesting, Well, it means you're basically what you're saying
is you're getting old, is what you're talking about. You
you gotta have reasons to get your ass off the
couch and the traffic, and I totally get it. I mean,
I just think for me having a retired number, I
don't know. I mean, it's it's still a big damn
deal to me. You know, when a guy gets a
number retired, I mean, next up is probably gonna be
there's a chance that maybe Felix gets thirty four retired
(34:35):
down the road, we'll see. I mean, so far, the
Mariners have done basically what the Seahawks have done, and
that you gotta be a Hall of Famer, right, you know,
or a Hall of Fame caliber guy. I mean, you know,
Edgar Martinez was Ecker's number retired before.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He made the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Remind me, I'm not sure if the top of my head,
because I remember, I remember they threw in the kind
of borderline where you know, Hall of Fame player that
the they knew that if Edgar Martinez did not make
the Hall of Fame, they still wanted to retire number eleven.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
They retired at number eleven in twenty seventeen. He was
definitely correct Hall of Fame man.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, yes, So they've got that little caveat there where
they could potentially do that for a guy like a
Felix Hernandez when was who you were retired again.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Seventeen the Hall of Fame and we didn't know because
it was a last minute Larry.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
For Edgar getting doors open for Felix, doors open for
Felix to make the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
You said, get the number of.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Times you said hall of Fame caliber player.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
And while I don't think, well I don't think Felix
is a Hall of Fame player, I think he could
be considered a Hall of Fame caliber.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Play, no question.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I mean, if there's if there's a if we're doing
a Joe Lonardi Hall of Fame bracket, he's.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
First four out.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Yes, he's right, He's right.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
He's because of his record, and his record was only
because of his idiot offense he played with when he
was in sand If they had the offense now would
be and be.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
A tony different stories. So I mean I would do it.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You know, I saw somebody the other day, I know,
Stanton announced on Saturday Night than Randy is gonna get
a statue, and somebody actually recom was tweeting about this
that there's there's too many statues. You know, it's becoming
watered down, blah blah blah. Look, I get that. You
know that we used to have none and now we
have three, and we're gonna have four.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
The Tigers have nine outside their stay.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Lakers have it night many too.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
If the Tigers have a longer history than we do,
I get it. They're going back, you know, way way early,
you know, twentieth century, so they've got a lot more guys.
But this is part of having a history, man, And
I think it's harder for older people to kind of
maybe figure that out. That when you and I grew up,
we would go to the Kingdome for a seahawk game, Jackson,
and there was one retired number.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
It was number twelve.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
The Mariners had zero retired numbers and the Sonics had
like two.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, when we were kids.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
So I think for older people, like in their fifties
and sixties, this feels like it's getting watered down. It
feels to me, Jackson, And you'd be a better person
to answer this than I would that for the younger generation,
this is kind of Hey, you look at those legends,
is almost like mythical figures, and they should be honored.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
That's kind of right, because I mean specifically for Randy.
I I mean, listen, I really got into the Mariners
in probably about two thousand. Like my earliest Mariner memory
was being there for Carlos Gian's squeeze to win it right,
and and that kind of dates you of mind Randy Johnson,
you know, memories there aren't, so I do view him
(37:37):
as this figure that was just unstoppable, and in taking
in all the highlights this last week and kind of
learning more, I didn't realize the immense struggles that he
had before talking to Nolan Ryan and before they changes,
and it was yeah, and it's sort of like my god,
like the mythical figure that I had built up in
my head for the last twenty years of this just dominent,
(38:00):
you know, beast on the mound for damn near a
decade now, like he eased into that, and it like
I think that my generation, it would do us well
to like go back and really take the Like I
took a lot of time last week and went and
studied Randy Johnson and watched a lot, and it's sort
of like we I think we owe it my generations
themselves to go and do that.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So Dick the statue is still TBD at where it's
gonna go.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I'll tell you where I'd put it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Where's that right there, glove left field entrance.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, that's where he came out of the bullpen.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
That's right, Well, you know I came out.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
I have a very different take on that, because you're
already building the first base line with statues. I think
you need to go to continue that keep going. Now,
I don't eve think continue you just start building the curve.
So you do one kind of on the other side
of home plate and you start building the third base line.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You know, Dave, I'm glad you brought up the history
thing because it dawned on me probably for the first
time when I was I was watching the Saturday Night
ceremony with my son, and when Randy came out of
the bullpen bullpen with Welcome to the Jungle with the
fire and everything, I was like, Oh my god, this
is the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
And he goes, what do you mean?
Speaker 8 (39:16):
And so after the ceremony was over, I went back
and showed him Game five of him coming out of
the bullpen and taking care of him one two, three
and getting out of it, and then showed him the
end of the game.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
And then when we saw Rilly No, I didn't that part.
I skipped that part.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
I went right to the I won right the eleventh
thing for you and watching Griffy and watching Edgar and
watching eachro and I was like, it really dawned on
me for the first time, because, like you said, you
and I thought the Mariners had zero history, because they
had zero history, and I'm like, my god, my favorite
baseball team.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
We have a history.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Now, we like legitimately have a history with multiple people
that every single baseball fan in the world, right nose
and by a first name.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Still got no World Series. Though, Man, that's nice. That
would be nice. It would be nice.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I mean it's kind of it's actually ridiculous, Like, how
do you even do that fifty years? How do you
play fifty years and not even just into a World Series,
like just.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Showing up and putting your pants.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Would the Red Sox go right? I mean they went
seventy No, because they made it. They made it a bunch,
they made it right without a Yeah, with that title.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm saying, we haven't even you get my point. I
mean it's like that that is crazy impossible to do. Man,
to pull that off, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
All right, we're gonna break
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