May 7, 2026 • 39 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Bret Boone about the weak AL West this year, Mariners rotation moves, plus Munoz, Julio, Crawford, and more on baseball, then the guys discuss the future of the Seahawks ownership including the new reported names that could buy it, and what the M’s should do when Bryce Miller returns.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Coming to you live from our Elliot Avenue studios of
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r FM. It's
time for our weekly conversation with former Mariners all star
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here's Softian Dick.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All right, we're back on a busy Thursday afternoon right
here on ninety three three kjr FM.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Still there by the way, Big thanks.
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To our friends at Venue Kings dot com and Alex
rs Jackson. Yeah, that's getting worse. What have you did?
Just made it worse? Big thanks to our friends at.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes Yes Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Jackson's given me a no no, no stop that don't
don't talk on the mic because it's going over the
I can hear in my head. Whatever we're a mess
over here. Go get go, get Terry Ryan. All right,
go get the engine here, Terry Ryan. Tell him what's
going on and he will come in here, and I
promise you he'll fix it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Does it make any bread on the phone? Unbelievable? No? No,
that's fine. That that that portion's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Joining us right now, at least I hope joining us
now on the radio show here he is. He's got
Data White coming up on his podcast next week, by
the way, which leads me to kind of ask, are
we paying you like thousands of dollars a week to
do this show and you want promotion for your podcast?
You can have the money, the bag booon, or the promotion.
You can't have both. What do you want?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
I love both, Softie, and we have such a wonderful friendship.
You're so kind to promote my podcast along with doing
a real fun radio show.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
No question, Man, what do you think of that? That's
a good answer. That makes me feel all good inside.
I love that out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But let's warm, fuzzy. I'm here for you.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, You've always been warm and fuzzy ever since I
met you. Man, Let's let's talk about what's going on
with the EMS? I mean, just baseball, right, you get
swept by Kansas City, and then you take two out
of three and almost sweep the best team in baseball
in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Yeah, Atlanta, that's first. I think that's the first series
Atlanta has lost. And once again, I'm looking at this team.
My opinion hasn't changed on this Mariner team. It really
hasn't changed since the beginning of the season. I have
faith with this roster. It's still one of the top
teams in baseball. I'm looking at the American Lege lot
of headshaking on what's going on going in today. There's
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going into today, and I'm not talking about five hundred
ball clubs. Two teams in the American League are above
five hundred. Now Cleveland won, so they're above five hundred.
They were even going into the day. And it looks
like the A's are going to win. They're up right
now on Philly. Pretty big. But it's just amazing how
the American League as a whole is Scottland. I mean,
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nobody is getting it done right now, with the exception
of a few teams, and you look at the division.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
These Mariners are in.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I mean, it's it's it's possibly it's shaken out to
be the worst division in baseball. So Mariners, they're there,
their roster construct and what they've got, going off to
a horrible start offensively, but they're they're just better than
the other teams. It's it's pure and simple, and I
think over time they're gonna show that well.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Coming into today, there was many teams over five hundred
in the NL Central as there was in the rest
of baseball five and five. I mean, is the is
the NL Central that good or is the rest of
baseball just that bad?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I swear it's been within two years that I started
this preseason off with, Okay, what the divisions and you
break them down, and it's always well, in the NL Central,
probably the worst division in baseball, And now now I'm
sitting there going, oh, the best division of baseball, the
NL Central.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
This game is crazy, and uh that's what makes that's
why you play so many and and we'll see how
it works out, but I think the NL Central is
definitely definitely talented. Watching this Cubs team, the Cubs teams
won one eight or nine in a row now they
fifth team at home. They're doing it every which way.
They walked off the Reds I think three times this
week they walked them off and in the ninth or
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extra inning. So that's a real talented team. That's gonna
be a fight right there in the Central. I don't
think their Reds are as good as they played early on,
but the Cubs teams for real. Milwaukee's gonna be there. Yeah,
that's gonna be an interesting division. But the thing about
this division, I think being weak and some of the
other divisions not being weak doesn't mean they can't be
a fun Pennant race.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, just because you're all hovering.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Around five hundred, it's just as exciting to find out
who's gonna win it versus the divisions that have two
teams that are way over five hundred. Tampa Bay doing
it again. How does Tampa Bay continue? They need to
be studied. The Tampa Bay Rays need to be studied.
How they do it year in and year out, with
the turnover, with that payroll. It's phenomenal what they do
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every year.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It really is amazing, and there should be experiments done
on them. I'm with you to figure out what the
hell they're doing. But Brett Boone with us courtesy Venue
Kings and Booney, let's start with a conversation that we've
had a lot in the last couple weeks with you.
Luis Castillo has a negative point eight war right now
for this baseball team.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Uh, don't care about Warshoft, You don't care about knows that?
All right? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Do you want to go on that everything sucks?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
How about that his whip is one point six six?
Is that okay to quote that? For God's sake? Smart guy?
But he's not pitching. Well, he had a rough outing
again on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean, maybe the stuff looked a little better, as
Dick and others have said, but still not working out.
And here comes Bryce Miller. Bryce Miller may be activated
this weekend. Bill Krueger thinks the Mariners should put Bryce
Miller in the bullpen. Chuck Powell told us, I think
last couple days ago he thinks the six man rotation
is a good idea. Uh, some of the writers of
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the Mariners, Adam Jude, I think, are recommending that maybe
Miller and Castillo kind of split starts. One guy starts,
one guy's a long guy that none of them involved
doing anything with Hancock because he's a stud not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But what are you doing now? What are you doing
with the Castillo onance? Miller's healthy.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
I'm definitely not putting Miller in the bullpen. You know,
he's still I think Miller and what I've seen from
him in the past in the last couple of years,
I think Miller is another top top flight guy. Castile
has been for a long time. I like, you know,
I watched his last outing again, his velocity was there,
he just was not hitting his spots. He walked in
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a runner I think with the bases loaded. That's not
like him. Lots of heaters. He was throw opposite of
Wou Woo's throwing more sliders and I don't have the
stats on it than I've seen him throwing a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Woo's just usually living.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
But after a couple a couple of tough starts for Wu,
he comes back, he figures it out.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Pitched a great game the other day.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
I think, uh, you know, without being on the inside
and having those internal discussions on what they think is
best for me, just being a layman on the outside,
I've got no dog in the fight. Miller's in my rotation,
and that leaves a pretty clear answer of who's out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Of the rotation. So for me, I'm not messing with Miller.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I put him in the rotation and I turned you know,
I have Castill do that long that long roll. The
good news is you got Now you've got six guys,
six healthy guys. Castill's got to and not necessarily go
to the pen, but go to the pen.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
It's a it's a game of numbers and right now,
Miller and how they feel. You know, I haven't followed
him on his rehab.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't know how he's done.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
But the stuff that Miller has, if he's one hundred percent,
he's going in the rotation for me. And the only
logical answer is the guy that's scuffling the most in
a kind of star studded rotation has got to take
some time go to the bullpen. And it doesn't matter
your tenure or what you've done in the past. It's
win for me right now. And that's that's my layman
take on it. From the outside, you.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Got a couple of bullpen guys injured, so Castile could
be a value down there.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Because you know he's not a friend hitter, but on.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Lot of them should be in the bullpen.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Right, Yes, what's what's Castillo's trade value? Brett?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Is there any at all? I think so.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
But I think he's gonna have to show a couple
solid starts. Like I said, I think the velocity was
was at least what it normally is, or up a tick.
His last start still had had trouble getting guys out,
So I think he's just gonna he's gonna have to
show a little bit a couple of good games here
and there, or if he goes to the bullpen, he's
got to come out and show some shutdown ability. But
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I think his trade value as long as he does that,
it doesn't keep going backwards, which a lot of guys
at this age it's usually a velocity thing, and now
all of a sudden it's not actually the velocity. But
when they see the velocity down, it becomes a mental game.
Wait a minute, I'm not throwing ninety seven like I
normally do, boo, and now I got to switch it
up and try to pitch like I don't pitch. The
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velocity isn't the thing for it for him, right, now,
so it must be a mechanical thing. So yes, I
think he'll get it figured out. He'll he'll continue to
tinker with what they do with his pitching coach. He'll
get it figured out where he's a viable addition and
could be for somebody if it got to the point
where where they wanted to make a to make a
trade at the trade deadline. But I think he's going
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to have to show some right now. I think there's
a lot of teams that would take Castillo in the
right deal right now as is. But if you can
come back, get on track and so show some shutdown
in the future, I think then his trade value goes
up to what going into the season we think would
be a normal trade for Castillo.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
By the way, I was looking up Boonie been with us.
Your war in two thousand and one was pretty damn good.
But I'm not going to mention it because war doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
And by the way, it's an irrelevant I told you
that Dante bischett career war was two point four.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm done with Warren. Okay, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Well, there's only been five players in Mariner history who
had a higher war than you did in two thousand
and one, But we won't talk about that. Three times, no,
three times, Griffy twice, a Rod twice in your buddy,
your buddy, he did at one time in two thousand
and four. You actually had a higher war than Eachiro
did in two thousand and one when he won the MVP, you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Had a higher word than Yes, Julio's a one guy.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Eight point eight, by the way, is the is the
is the sixth highest of all time in a single
season in Mariner baseball history. But war doesn't matter, Boonie.
Let me ask you about Andres Munos.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Look, we can sit here and feel good about the
future that he'll bounce back potentially, maybe you see things
that concern you, but we do have to talk about
what's going on right now because he's already a looted
more home runs this year than he did all last season.
World Baseball Classic, right pitch for Mexico. Not bouncing back.
What are you seeing from Andres Munos in the first
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month and a half.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I see a guy that's that's scuffling, that hasn't had
a history of scuffling much. And sometimes when you go
through it, I mean it's a great thing to have
a ton of success early in your career and really
not have too many hard times. To look back on
those hard times, prepare you if you're for the future,
when I'll guarantee you you're going to have tough times.
(11:06):
I think it's just one of those things. You know
a lot at first when everybody started talking about this
World Baseball Classic and a lot of guys that played
in that Classic were off to horrendous starts, and at
first out it has nothing to do with it. I
thought it would help these players. But the more I
look at it, there's kind of something to it. I mean,
a lot of those guys that were in the Classic,
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that had success in the Classic, it was exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They were ramping it up.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Well before they normally are ramping it up, are really
off to tough starts. So I'm starting to wonder, you know,
does the data the data can't lie that much, and
when there's that many people across baseball scuffling, I think
it's one of those things. I think Munyios will deal
with it. He'll work it out. He's too young, his
stuff is too good. But sometimes you got to go
through tough times and when you haven't been through many
(11:53):
you're kind of looking around, like, what's wrong. This has
never happened to me before. Well, that's what we do
in this game. We go through those times, would come
out the other end. I think he'll come out the
other end. I'm not worried about him either yet. Yeah,
but you know Brash Inspire, who were huge in that bullpen.
Right now, it's tough to see him both go down.
Brash still hasn't let up a run since last year,
(12:15):
so he's out. I think they're both not that big
of a deal, but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I just knocked on wood by the way, when you
said that about brush or whatever. This table's made out. Sorry,
well you mentioned the WBC.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I mean Julio struggled initially, but his struggles didn't last
as long as they do most years. I mean, Brett
Julio is thirty one for ninety six with five home
runs since April eleven. That's the best stretch of his
career this early in the season. He had one stretch
in late May in twenty twenty three that was like this,
but nothing this early. So why do you think Julio's
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pulled out of the normal April early May slump so early.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I think we talked about this a few weeks ago
when he was quoted as saying, well, it's and that's
why I'm not hitting guys. It becomes a real thing
if you say it, and sometimes you say it and
just and you're talking to reporters, Oh, it's cold. I
never do good, nicol Oh, I never do good in April.
The more you say, you start to kind of believe
it subliminally yourself. I think Julio has talked himself into that,
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like April's not my time, April's not my time, and
he just I don't think there's a rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I really don't. I think a.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Lot of guys go into April, and if they haven't
been April players, they talk themselves into it. But I
don't think it's anything more than that he just found
it earlier than he normally finds it. You know, I
hope in the future he finds it April first. You know,
there's really no I never had that in my career
where yeah, statistically you'll probably you could probably go and
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find out what my best month was, but it wasn't
a consistent thing. Every year, like, oh, here we are,
we're getting to June. This is where I heat up.
I have no idea. I might have had some good
June some bad Junes, but it wasn't something that was
in my mind that I was aware of. Now ballparks,
that's different. You go to Camden Yards. That was in
by the end of my career, Camden Yards was in
my head. But I don't think this is anything big.
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I think Julio's just a big time talent. That's that's
come out of it faster than we like hit or
faster than he normally does.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Hit a home run yesterday, and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You play with some pretty good shortstops in your career.
I'm imagining you pulling your hair out if you had
to play next to JP Crawford defensively, because he's terrible.
I mean, there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
JP Crawford.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, look, he's starting to swing the bat a
little bit, but he's awful defensively. He's one of the
worst shortstops in baseball and out's above average twenty ninth
in baseball in that category. He's actually tied for dead last,
or excuse me, second to last behind CJ.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Abrams or in front of CJ. Abrams. With the Nationals,
he's a problem.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He is a absolute problem defensively at shortstop.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I wonder what the Mariners are going to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I mean, do they just and pray that cold Emerson
proves he's ready sooner than later?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Bring him up?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Because Dick you mentioned it, he can play defense now
at this level, Cold Emerson can. So how much of
that would factor into your thinking on whether or not
you bring Told Emerson up or not because you got
to get somebody at shortstop with a glove.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Well, I think Crawford's track record is he is a
really good defensive shortstop. All of a sudden, he's getting
to a point in his career where it's you know,
he's regressed, he's got a hit. Sure, I think it's
going to be the Emerson thing. Is going to be
an organizational move on when we feel it's best for
Colt Emerson to join the team from a career, from
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his career standpoint, what's best for him, not we need
it right now. I think that's going to be more
of a strategic call up. When when is the time?
When is the passing of the torch until then. No,
I mean, what is craft Crawford's hitting two hundred right now?
They had a big week, hit a couple big homers
for him this week, and that come behind when where
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they won five to four in the rage.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
No doubt, but yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Crawford has definitely regressed defensively. He's that's always been a
strong suit for him, but it's definitely noticeably down this year.
But I think that's gonna the Emerson thing. I think
that is going to be not a Crawford thing. That's
gonna be when is Emerson ready and we feel ready
to put him in the big legs and do this
thing right so his career can get off to the
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start that they wanted to get off. It doesn't mean
the organization they're always making these plans and how they're
going to do it and when when's too early and
when's too late. It doesn't mean they're one hundred percent right.
But I think that's going to be that decision. In
the meantime, They're going to do what they do in
the big leagues with Reevas and Crawford, and when they
decide Emerson's time is that's when they're going to pass
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the torch, not because of what the shortstops are doing.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, Brett, you played one year in Atlanta in nineteen
ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You on the Ted Turner stories for us.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh, oh, I got it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Game it was a Game three Ted, and I hadn't
met Ted. I was there only one year. But it's
game three the World Series and him and Jane come
come wandering down at the clubhouse pre game, and I
don't remember the stocks. I don't remember the stocks. But
he was given his pre game Hey, I believe in you.
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You guys wont one hundred and four games as year.
We're down to oh I think to to the to
the Yankees at the time, and he said, yeah, I
don't care about this. Oh and two your first two games,
we're gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
We're you know.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
So he gave us the typical raw RaSE. Jane sat
there just sitting there looking at us, like, oh, there's
Jane Fonda, you know on Golden Pond.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Check there.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And Ted was kind of endearing. I mean, he was charismatic,
he was funny. It's one of those guys that you know,
you give him, uh, he's the host of the night.
He was he was great, He was a great embassy.
But he went through his little ship. And then at
the very end he looked at us and he goes,
oh yeah, And don't I forget You can't quote me
on this. I don't remember if it was Turner Broadcasting
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or something a stock he said, Oh yeah, it was
something he owned, he said, And.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Make sure you buy whatever the stock was.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You know, every everybody, everybody kind of nods their head,
Oh yeah, Ted, you own the company.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Funny, funny, funny.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Six months later, that thing went through the roof, and
guys on the team we were talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Did he inside or trade with us? And we didn't
take advantage of that? But that's that's the story I
remember from Ted. Well, would you like to know what
your war was? In that World Series against the Yankees?
By the way, I mean war? You didn't know what
war was? Let me let me give you a quick lesson.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Didn't understand that. We understood average homers, Ribby's. That's all
we cared about, right. We didn't know what these kids
today know exactly how to get a point on war
here and a point on war there.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
We didn't train for it.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
If we knew we were going to be paid on war,
I don't know what my war is, it would have
been way higher and probably the other stats would have
been lower. That's what these guys do today. They trained
for what war and ops. They could care less how
much they strike out. They could care less what their
average is. As long as their war and their ops
is in line, and that's all they care about. That's
what they trained for. I can't get on them for
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doing it. That's what teams are paying you for. But
war in my generation was not a thing. I'll guarantee
you you go back. Now, everybody's going to know. But
back then, I f you'd had said to the players
across the board, got them all in a room and said,
do you know what war is? They would all looked
at you like you had two heads.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It wasn't a thing.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Well, and that's why I don't say war is not
a thing. Now everybody's well aware of it, but then
it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
War is supposed to encompass everything that a player does,
by the way, so but just so you know, the
Braves got swept in that series against the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Dick and Jackson. It wasn't Brett's fault. He hit five. Yes,
I did what was by war? My war fifty million?
All right?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
And then you got dumped and went to play for
the Mariners the next year.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh oh no, I went to the podcast you.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Hit fourteen eighteen. That was your ops fourteen eighteen in
the World Series. All right, Dana White's on podcast this week.
Enjoy and have fun. We'll talk on a week man,
nice man.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Appreciate the double dip.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yes, sir, yes, sir Brett boone. Actually, hey, don't pay
him for this week because we pumped this podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's one or the other. He gets the money or
he gets the promotion. We gave him the promotion. This
is Duke of Duke.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
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Speaker 8 (20:50):
I think originally I would have expected the plan here
was to have a new owner in place by the
start of the season. As we get dragged out a
little bit, I think that's maybe a little bit less
and less likely. We haven't seen formal diids yet. I
think the bankers that are running the Stealer are still
trying to figure out who's real and who isn't. So
this isn't going to wrap up anytime in the next
few weeks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
All right.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's the voice of Eben Novi Williams, who writes for Sportico,
who was the first to report he's got a guy
that he does writing with.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't remember who his partner is.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But doesn't matter because Evan was the one that was
on our show, so we talk about him. Two potential
ownership options have emerged for the Seahawks, one led by
Indian steel mogul tycoon slash magnet Aditya Mattall, and another
one led by a guy named Vanad Koesla, not coleslaw Cosla,
(21:43):
who's worth about fourteen billion dollars. He's the founder of
co founder of Sun Microsystems. We've heard them, and he
is a minority owner of the forty nine ers. Wick
Rosebuck Grosbuck, sorry not Michelle Grosnik, but Wick Grosbuck is
the minority owner of the Boston Celtics used to be
the majority owner Dick of the Boston Celtics, and then
(22:05):
they sold and then he got back in as a
minority owner. Chris Price, like I said earlier, Boston Globe
sent me a text earlier that said, Hey, the guy
at first was kind of sticking his nose into everything
and then realized, don't do that right, Hire basketball people
to make basketball decisions, and the Celtics took off. So
those are the two potential ownership groups that we've heard
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so far.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I think if you've got a past owner of any
of the major franchises, all you got to do is
ask a media member and a fan of that franchise,
and I think you're going to get a pretty good
indication of what they were like. The media member is
going to give you more the personal side and how
he ran the business.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The fans just going to be like, hey, you.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Know, a fan will know are you a good owner
or a bad owner based upon the decisions you make
and how much you win.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Well, I mean, look, there's opportunities for bad owners to
get lucky, right, Yes, of course. I don't think over
a twenty year period though, that's a pretty stick magnificant.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know data point to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Be talking about Tom Benson and Drew Brees pretty much. Yeah,
I mean it's gonna happen right where you know, guys,
Guys get a break. I mean, Jim Hersay made the
Super Bowl, you know, obviously with with Peyton Manning, and
if he wouldn't, if if he hadn't drafted Peyton Manning,
you know, as high as he did. Who knows where
the Colts go, right?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But well, some bat owners even get lucky and can't
do anything with it, like the Jags and Trevor Lawrence.
I mean they got handed Trevor Lawrence, and you've ben
screwed that up.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, well, man, you can argue Trevor hasn't played it
to his potential. But I get what you're talking about
for sure. Look, guys, here's the thing for me. I'm
not worried about the Seahawks moving. And you brought this
up earlier today. I think, what was it with Bob
or with with with Evan about the Seahawks going to
London because you said people were telling you about that
on social media. I hadn't thought about that at all. Like, honestly,
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I hadn't even thought about the idea of the Seahawks
moving overseas, let alone moving anywhere. So maybe down the
road that'll be a concern for me, but it's not
a concern now. I'm not saying it'll never be a concern,
but it's not a concern now. The only concern I've
got is that we sell this thing. And when I
mean we, I mean them to the right person, right,
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because I think it's going to be really, really hard to.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Duplicate what Paul Allen did.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I mean, look at the Seahawks before and after Paul
bpa Apa, before Paul Allen, After Paul Allen, It's a
totally different deal. Looks like a menu from ihop versus
the met For God's sakes, it's not even close to
being the same. So do we really think that it's
going to be easy to duplicate what Paul Allen did?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You're talking about carrying on right, like you're basically, in
some ways, guys talking about the ownership version of the
Niners going from Joe Montana to Steve Young, or the
Packers going from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers. That's what
you're asking to do, and I'm certain it's happened somewhere,
we'd have to find it. But I really hope that
the people in charge of identifying the next steward ship
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of franchise looked for that as well as as much
money as they can get, because that's in Paul's will.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But if the offers are relatively.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Equal, can we spend some time people investigating who these
folks are and how influential, how invested they will be
in the Seahawks continuing to be one of the best
franchises in sports.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I mean, how many franchises have been better than the
Seahawks since Paul Allen bought the team? I mean the Patriots,
Kansas City, Vansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Maybe Philadelphia maybe, But that's about it. That's about Hawks
or third three.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's that's it.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, there's a couple other teams have more wins
since then, like the Steelers and.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
The Ravens, but I mean they haven't.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
They haven't had the sustained success and the peaks of
four Super Bowls and two Super Bowl Championships.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Well, there's only been two teams that have what was
the stat two teams that have played in more Super
Bowls than the Hawks have since two thousand and five
and it's the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
And and we were tired.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's Philadelphia, that's it, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And look, man, I mean this is that's my concern,
and I think that that should be all Seahawks fans
concern is how do we keep this thing going? John
Schneider has been here now for twenty six damn years?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Twenty seven? Is it twenty six?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Sorry, seventeen? My fault since twenty ten, right, so this
is his seventeenth year.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He's going to leave at some point. I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I've got immediate concerns about a new owner, as long
as that new owner doesn't come in and tell John that, hey,
I want to make my son the co g write
something like that, as long as the new co owner
steps in and says or the new owner steps in
and says, John, you do John, and Mike you do Mike.
But then when John retires or something happens and he's
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got to hire somebody, what kind of person is he
going to want to hire? Is he going to spend
the money to get the best option? Because that's what
Paul Allen was always about.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
You know, And I think ultimately we were talking about
all these candidates, Like, whether it's fourteen billion dollars or
twenty four billion dollars, they're going to be able to
have the money after the purchase of the team to
go out and get the best candidate. Ultimately, you want
an owner who doesn't Jerry Jones it. You want an
owner who seeds the football knowledge to the people hired
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for football knowledge. That's your team president, that's your whether
it's a general manager, highlighted coach, or even just the
entire staff. Hey, what kind of general manager would be
best fit what exactly we're trying to do here over
the next five years. You listen to the smart football
people and step away from the football knowledge that you don't.
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I mean, all these people that we're talking about, they
don't have their they don't have football knowledge. So I
need these people to understand that, for lack of a
better term, they don't know a lot of crap and
just let the people who do know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Do the work.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, seventeen playoff appearances, Dick, sorry, in twenty nine years
four in a previous twenty one, that's what Paul did.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I think, because owners are so much richer now than
in the past, I agree with Jackson. I don't think
that what you're gonna pay a general manager is going
to or even what you're gonna pay a head coach
matters as much. Now Tom Dundan evidently is different in
Portland because he's wanting to have the cheapest head coach
in the in the NBA for the Blazers. So there
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are exceptions to the rule, but I would say most.
I mean, I think how much you're paying your coach,
how much you're paying your GM, is much more of
like a nineteen eighties, nineties and two thousands problem than
it is a twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Six Here, can you tell me there's not cheap owners
out there?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, they're cheap owners out there. Spend the money to
get a top tier guy.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
Now, what we're saying is, if you've purchased the Seattle
Seahawks right for the billions billions dreams, you have the
money to be able to go get.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, yeah, but guys they have it, do they spend it?
I mean?
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But a general manager, I mean a general manager is
worth the same as what like a middle linebacker.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's not like he's worth a quarter back.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But Okay, if you guys are telling me that you
don't see any world where a cheap o owner comes
in here and decides, you know what, I'd rather just
promote somebody. I'd rather just go get somebody on the
cheap because I'm gonna help make some calls here on
draft day in free agents.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
That's all. That's what that's But guys, guys, we're saying
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
But if you're just dismissing the idea that an owner
can come in here and not pony up what it
takes to hire the right coach, hire the right GM,
keep up with the times facility wise, and attract top
tier free agents, let me ask you a question. We
can talk to Milan about this tomorrow. Is there a
chance that without Jody Allen, the Seahawks don't extend both
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JSN and Devin Witherspoon and a owner comes in and says,
you know what, I'm not doing that. Yes, that's the concern.
That's an absolute concern for me. So I'm hoping again
that the people that are selling this thing do enough
work to make sure we get a person that will
continue to do things the way Paul Allen would have
done that.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
You know what, Actually I mean I'm going to kind
of go back on that because I think that there
is a world where there is an owner in place
instead of Jody Allen who wants to get their hands
dirty and not give John the power to make the
decision on JSN. I don't think that there's any potential
owner of the Seahawks who wouldn't give JSN the money
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because oh, actually, we're not going to try to hit
the salary cap.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
We want to build this team on the cheap.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
I think it's more of a philosophy of how much
power am I giving my GM.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, it's like Evan said, it's like there's such a
there's such a narrow gap between in the salary ranges
of the NFL because of the cap that it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You really don't have.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I mean everybody everybody thinks Jerry Jones is a quote
unquote cheap owner too, but I mean he still signs
multiplats exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So I think you guys are I think you guys
are being a little bit naive here, honestly, both of
you about what about about what an owner could doinancially
or not do financially.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
What we were talking about, now that the conversation was
not paying a general manage.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I'm talking about the entire conversa. Well, that's a different conversations.
Coach changed the whole thing, but then that includes a
general manager, guys, it includes everything. It encompasses the whole thing.
Let's not get hyper focused on a GM. I'm talking
about the entire picture, and that should scare the hell
out of you because we just don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We have no idea how invested.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
These guys just changed the parameters, so we'll change our
answer change.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I haven't changed any parameters. I don't think he is
at all. But I think Softie is we are we
are zoomed out.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Saftie is zooming in when he says cheap, that being
cheap is wanting your hands in the dirt and wanting
to say I cannot can get that for cheaper, and
and not necessarily that I don't have the money. But
it's an element of you know what, I'm smarter than
those people football people in charge. But that's a concern
if you zoom out, and this is what I say,
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Softie is what we'd Dick and I are saying. If
you zoom out, the conversation is extrapolated to wanting an
owner who lets the football people do football thing.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yes, of course, because when you thought about that involves
paying the right people at the top of their profession,
and if to do the right thing, if they.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Wanted to put their hands in and they wanted to
be you know, smart, smart. Oh you know what, I
can get this guy for four million, five million, and
I think I think that's a smarter move.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, let let the smart people make smart decisions. I mean,
how often do we say be smart enough to know
what you don't need?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And that in the end is Look, I'm hopeful that
they get that person. But until that person shows us
who they are, how can we even remotely begin to
judge them?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
See? My concern is more the hey, I can I
can hire a puppet for cheaper than this general manager
that wants to run it on his own.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
That would be my concern.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
My concern is that I've got two awesome candidates and
I can pay and one will do it for four
and one will do it for five and the five
million dollar one I think is a little bit better.
I don't think there's a lot of owners that would
would quibble over the one million dollars actually getting a
better That's.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Not the conversation I'm having. I'm not talking about a
million bucks. I'm talking about a guy. Is he committed
or not? Is he committed or not? I mean a
million bucks? Half a million bucks? What the hell are
we talking about here? Guys, that's who is committed or not.
And if you're not committed to doing the right thing,
it's gonna sometimes show itself. And the amount of money
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you commit to make a football team or any team better,
that is absolutely a concern because we see it all
around sports, in every league, in every town. All right,
Go ask Brown, Go ask Jet fans, for example, how
they feel.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Go ask my cousin Evan about that.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Owners have to give press conferences to to you know,
oh you know what. I that's the owner saying that
I'm not seeding control. I want an owner who never
has a press.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, I like that, all right, except what he
buys the team that he can say.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Bryce Miller seventy four games, seventy four starts in his
career as a major leaguer in the bullpen. Nope, nothing
in the postseason, just the three starts a year ago.
And I don't believe Luis Castillo has ever appeared out
of the bullpen either in his career, either playoffs or
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Major League. So, as they like to say, between Bryce
Miller and Luis Castillo, some's got to give dick yeh
between these two guys. And you know, over here we
got Emerson Hancocks like, hey, I'm good, don't talk to
me anymore, man, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It's like he's already made the team. He's not worried
about it.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Right, I'm just throwing you know, seven innings of one run.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Right exactly, just mowing him down fourteen k's. I'm Randy
Johnson night. So the question of what to do, I
feel I'm starting to get the sense, as I know
you are as well, based on stuff that people are
reporting facts, that we're gonna have an answer to this
Bryce Miller conundrum. Maybe this weekend, I know, Jude reported.
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Adam Jude reported that the Mariners may activate him this weekend,
and either a you go to a six man rotation
b Luis Castillo or Bryce Miller goes into the bullpen,
or see you have Emerson Hancock to something else. I
think we can toss out see s he's gone like
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done right, he's not a part of this. He's earned
his right to stay. He's not going anywhere. I kind
of like the idea of bringing Bryce Miller in it
first as more of a long reliever if they need him.
He does need to get work though, right, you can't
bring him back and have him sit around.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He's got to pitch at least every fifth day.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I do like the idea for now of Bryce Miller
being in that role because the Mariners have injuries in
their bullpen and Miller is going to be brought back slowly.
So I think what I would do if I were
in charge of the world is I would start Luis
Castillo on Saturday. If Bryce Miller is active, I would
start him off as a long reliever in the bullpen.
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Go a couple of maybe weeks or so with that,
maybe a week and a half, maybe a start or
two with Luis, a couple of appearances, maybe two or
three out of Bryce, and then reevaluate things in ten
days from now.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean quick note, just because of necessity, Luis
Castillo did pitch out of the bullpen in that fifteen
Did they really count though?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well? He got the win, right, They weren't playing on
doing it. No, it was out of necessity.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
They need some arm to pitch the fifteenth inning, and
thank god that we got the base knock in the
bottom of the inning to win the game.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I thought I thought Adam Jude brought up an interesting
situation like what if you co start them right yet
you co start and you just you just say, Okay, Bryce,
you're pitching like Luis you're going and Bryce you're pitching
when ever Luise needs to come out. You're pitching, and
you're getting us, hopefully to Andre's munos. The two of
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you hopefully can give us five innings from Luis, three
innings from Bryce get you to munios. And I think
that I love that plan because the bullpen is in bad,
bad shape, no doubt well, and so Bryce Miller could Honestly,
Bryce Miller could fill the role of brash and spire
because he gets both sides out.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I know he's a lefty and all that, but you
don't want to pitch Jose Ferrara four of every six games.
He just don't right and so he's gonna get overworked
very quickly here. So look, I've been waiting for Adam
ju to make a good point. Ever since he showed
up here and he finally made it one, I'm totally
four of that, And I honestly think my gut is
that that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna put Bryce
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Miller in the bullpen to start off, just because there's
a need. Now, if everybody was healthy right now, it's
a different conundrum.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know, you got to really figure it out at
that point. But you need him.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I mean it's like, hey, we don't even need to
make a call yet, Dick on this thing, because we
have a job that we need him to fill that
nobody else can fill because guys are hurt.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So let's do that. Let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And then when the bullpen gets healthy again, you get
a couple of more starts out of Luis Castillo, then
we can make a call on who stays in the rotation.
But I I do personally think Dick that a six
man rotation is a bad idea. That's one less game
that you gotta wait, or one more game to wait
before you see Brian wu George Kirby, Logan Gilbert and
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Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
And I'm not doing that, just checking the splits on
on Miller. Only his rookie year did left handers beat
him up right, Other than that twenty twenty four, twenty five,
his splits are pretty even.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean he can. I got no issues at all.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
If Bryce Miller's coming in in the sixth inning and
you got the meat of some team's lineup with two
lefties in aariety.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I got no issues with Bryce Miller face.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
The Mariners have proven in the last year that they're
willing to kind of tinker a little bit, because that's
what they did with Emerson Hancock last year when he
was a reliever and it was kind of out of necessity,
and look at him now, right, we're going to break
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Speaker 4 (00:38):
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
Jackson's given me a no no, no stop that don't
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I can hear in my head. Whatever we're a mess
over here. Go get go, get Terry Ryan. All right,
go get the engine here, Terry Ryan. Tell him what's
going on and he will come in here, and I
promise you he'll fix it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Does it make any bread on the phone? Unbelievable? No? No,
that's fine. That that that portion's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Joining us right now, at least I hope joining us
now on the radio show here he is. He's got
Data White coming up on his podcast next week, by
the way, which leads me to kind of ask, are
we paying you like thousands of dollars a week to
do this show and you want promotion for your podcast?
You can have the money, the bag booon, or the promotion.
You can't have both. What do you want?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
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You're so kind to promote my podcast along with doing
a real fun radio show.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
No question, Man, what do you think of that? That's
a good answer. That makes me feel all good inside.
I love that out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But let's warm, fuzzy. I'm here for you.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, You've always been warm and fuzzy ever since I
met you. Man, Let's let's talk about what's going on
with the EMS? I mean, just baseball, right, you get
swept by Kansas City, and then you take two out
of three and almost sweep the best team in baseball
in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Yeah, Atlanta, that's first. I think that's the first series
Atlanta has lost. And once again, I'm looking at this team.
My opinion hasn't changed on this Mariner team. It really
hasn't changed since the beginning of the season. I have
faith with this roster. It's still one of the top
teams in baseball. I'm looking at the American Lege lot
of headshaking on what's going on going in today. There's
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going into today, and I'm not talking about five hundred
ball clubs. Two teams in the American League are above
five hundred. Now Cleveland won, so they're above five hundred.
They were even going into the day. And it looks
like the A's are going to win. They're up right
now on Philly. Pretty big. But it's just amazing how
the American League as a whole is Scottland. I mean,
(02:53):
nobody is getting it done right now, with the exception
of a few teams, and you look at the division.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
These Mariners are in.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I mean, it's it's it's possibly it's shaken out to
be the worst division in baseball. So Mariners, they're there,
their roster construct and what they've got, going off to
a horrible start offensively, but they're they're just better than
the other teams. It's it's pure and simple, and I
think over time they're gonna show that well.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Coming into today, there was many teams over five hundred
in the NL Central as there was in the rest
of baseball five and five. I mean, is the is
the NL Central that good or is the rest of
baseball just that bad?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I swear it's been within two years that I started
this preseason off with, Okay, what the divisions and you
break them down, and it's always well, in the NL Central,
probably the worst division in baseball, And now now I'm
sitting there going, oh, the best division of baseball, the
NL Central.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
This game is crazy, and uh that's what makes that's
why you play so many and and we'll see how
it works out, but I think the NL Central is
definitely definitely talented. Watching this Cubs team, the Cubs teams
won one eight or nine in a row now they
fifth team at home. They're doing it every which way.
They walked off the Reds I think three times this
week they walked them off and in the ninth or
(04:09):
extra inning. So that's a real talented team. That's gonna
be a fight right there in the Central. I don't
think their Reds are as good as they played early on,
but the Cubs teams for real. Milwaukee's gonna be there. Yeah,
that's gonna be an interesting division. But the thing about
this division, I think being weak and some of the
other divisions not being weak doesn't mean they can't be
a fun Pennant race.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, just because you're all hovering.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Around five hundred, it's just as exciting to find out
who's gonna win it versus the divisions that have two
teams that are way over five hundred. Tampa Bay doing
it again. How does Tampa Bay continue? They need to
be studied. The Tampa Bay Rays need to be studied.
How they do it year in and year out, with
the turnover, with that payroll. It's phenomenal what they do
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every year.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It really is amazing, and there should be experiments done
on them. I'm with you to figure out what the
hell they're doing. But Brett Boone with us courtesy Venue
Kings and Booney, let's start with a conversation that we've
had a lot in the last couple weeks with you.
Luis Castillo has a negative point eight war right now
for this baseball team.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Uh, don't care about Warshoft, You don't care about knows that?
All right? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Do you want to go on that everything sucks?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
How about that his whip is one point six six?
Is that okay to quote that? For God's sake? Smart guy?
But he's not pitching. Well, he had a rough outing
again on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean, maybe the stuff looked a little better, as
Dick and others have said, but still not working out.
And here comes Bryce Miller. Bryce Miller may be activated
this weekend. Bill Krueger thinks the Mariners should put Bryce
Miller in the bullpen. Chuck Powell told us, I think
last couple days ago he thinks the six man rotation
is a good idea. Uh, some of the writers of
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the Mariners, Adam Jude, I think, are recommending that maybe
Miller and Castillo kind of split starts. One guy starts,
one guy's a long guy that none of them involved
doing anything with Hancock because he's a stud not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But what are you doing now? What are you doing
with the Castillo onance? Miller's healthy.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
I'm definitely not putting Miller in the bullpen. You know,
he's still I think Miller and what I've seen from
him in the past in the last couple of years,
I think Miller is another top top flight guy. Castile
has been for a long time. I like, you know,
I watched his last outing again, his velocity was there,
he just was not hitting his spots. He walked in
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a runner I think with the bases loaded. That's not
like him. Lots of heaters. He was throw opposite of
Wou Woo's throwing more sliders and I don't have the
stats on it than I've seen him throwing a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Woo's just usually living.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
But after a couple a couple of tough starts for Wu,
he comes back, he figures it out.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Pitched a great game the other day.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
I think, uh, you know, without being on the inside
and having those internal discussions on what they think is
best for me, just being a layman on the outside,
I've got no dog in the fight. Miller's in my rotation,
and that leaves a pretty clear answer of who's out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Of the rotation. So for me, I'm not messing with Miller.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I put him in the rotation and I turned you know,
I have Castill do that long that long roll. The
good news is you got Now you've got six guys,
six healthy guys. Castill's got to and not necessarily go
to the pen, but go to the pen.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
It's a it's a game of numbers and right now,
Miller and how they feel. You know, I haven't followed
him on his rehab.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't know how he's done.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
But the stuff that Miller has, if he's one hundred percent,
he's going in the rotation for me. And the only
logical answer is the guy that's scuffling the most in
a kind of star studded rotation has got to take
some time go to the bullpen. And it doesn't matter
your tenure or what you've done in the past. It's
win for me right now. And that's that's my layman
take on it. From the outside, you.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Got a couple of bullpen guys injured, so Castile could
be a value down there.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Because you know he's not a friend hitter, but on.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Lot of them should be in the bullpen.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Right, Yes, what's what's Castillo's trade value? Brett?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Is there any at all? I think so.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
But I think he's gonna have to show a couple
solid starts. Like I said, I think the velocity was
was at least what it normally is, or up a tick.
His last start still had had trouble getting guys out,
So I think he's just gonna he's gonna have to
show a little bit a couple of good games here
and there, or if he goes to the bullpen, he's
got to come out and show some shutdown ability. But
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I think his trade value as long as he does that,
it doesn't keep going backwards, which a lot of guys
at this age it's usually a velocity thing, and now
all of a sudden it's not actually the velocity. But
when they see the velocity down, it becomes a mental game.
Wait a minute, I'm not throwing ninety seven like I
normally do, boo, and now I got to switch it
up and try to pitch like I don't pitch. The
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velocity isn't the thing for it for him, right, now,
so it must be a mechanical thing. So yes, I
think he'll get it figured out. He'll he'll continue to
tinker with what they do with his pitching coach. He'll
get it figured out where he's a viable addition and
could be for somebody if it got to the point
where where they wanted to make a to make a
trade at the trade deadline. But I think he's going
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to have to show some right now. I think there's
a lot of teams that would take Castillo in the
right deal right now as is. But if you can
come back, get on track and so show some shutdown
in the future, I think then his trade value goes
up to what going into the season we think would
be a normal trade for Castillo.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
By the way, I was looking up Boonie been with us.
Your war in two thousand and one was pretty damn good.
But I'm not going to mention it because war doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
And by the way, it's an irrelevant I told you
that Dante bischett career war was two point four.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm done with Warren. Okay, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Well, there's only been five players in Mariner history who
had a higher war than you did in two thousand
and one, But we won't talk about that. Three times, no,
three times, Griffy twice, a Rod twice in your buddy,
your buddy, he did at one time in two thousand
and four. You actually had a higher war than Eachiro
did in two thousand and one when he won the MVP, you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Had a higher word than Yes, Julio's a one guy.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Eight point eight, by the way, is the is the
is the sixth highest of all time in a single
season in Mariner baseball history. But war doesn't matter, Boonie.
Let me ask you about Andres Munos.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Look, we can sit here and feel good about the
future that he'll bounce back potentially, maybe you see things
that concern you, but we do have to talk about
what's going on right now because he's already a looted
more home runs this year than he did all last season.
World Baseball Classic, right pitch for Mexico. Not bouncing back.
What are you seeing from Andres Munos in the first
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month and a half.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I see a guy that's that's scuffling, that hasn't had
a history of scuffling much. And sometimes when you go
through it, I mean it's a great thing to have
a ton of success early in your career and really
not have too many hard times. To look back on
those hard times, prepare you if you're for the future,
when I'll guarantee you you're going to have tough times.
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I think it's just one of those things. You know
a lot at first when everybody started talking about this
World Baseball Classic and a lot of guys that played
in that Classic were off to horrendous starts, and at
first out it has nothing to do with it. I
thought it would help these players. But the more I
look at it, there's kind of something to it. I mean,
a lot of those guys that were in the Classic,
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that had success in the Classic, it was exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They were ramping it up.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Well before they normally are ramping it up, are really
off to tough starts. So I'm starting to wonder, you know,
does the data the data can't lie that much, and
when there's that many people across baseball scuffling, I think
it's one of those things. I think Munyios will deal
with it. He'll work it out. He's too young, his
stuff is too good. But sometimes you got to go
through tough times and when you haven't been through many
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you're kind of looking around, like, what's wrong. This has
never happened to me before. Well, that's what we do
in this game. We go through those times, would come
out the other end. I think he'll come out the
other end. I'm not worried about him either yet. Yeah,
but you know Brash Inspire, who were huge in that bullpen.
Right now, it's tough to see him both go down.
Brash still hasn't let up a run since last year,
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so he's out. I think they're both not that big
of a deal, but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I just knocked on wood by the way, when you
said that about brush or whatever. This table's made out. Sorry,
well you mentioned the WBC.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I mean Julio struggled initially, but his struggles didn't last
as long as they do most years. I mean, Brett
Julio is thirty one for ninety six with five home
runs since April eleven. That's the best stretch of his
career this early in the season. He had one stretch
in late May in twenty twenty three that was like this,
but nothing this early. So why do you think Julio's
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pulled out of the normal April early May slump so early.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I think we talked about this a few weeks ago
when he was quoted as saying, well, it's and that's
why I'm not hitting guys. It becomes a real thing
if you say it, and sometimes you say it and
just and you're talking to reporters, Oh, it's cold. I
never do good, nicol Oh, I never do good in April.
The more you say, you start to kind of believe
it subliminally yourself. I think Julio has talked himself into that,
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like April's not my time, April's not my time, and
he just I don't think there's a rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I really don't. I think a.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Lot of guys go into April, and if they haven't
been April players, they talk themselves into it. But I
don't think it's anything more than that he just found
it earlier than he normally finds it. You know, I
hope in the future he finds it April first. You know,
there's really no I never had that in my career
where yeah, statistically you'll probably you could probably go and
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find out what my best month was, but it wasn't
a consistent thing. Every year, like, oh, here we are,
we're getting to June. This is where I heat up.
I have no idea. I might have had some good
June some bad Junes, but it wasn't something that was
in my mind that I was aware of. Now ballparks,
that's different. You go to Camden Yards. That was in
by the end of my career, Camden Yards was in
my head. But I don't think this is anything big.
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I think Julio's just a big time talent. That's that's
come out of it faster than we like hit or
faster than he normally does.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Hit a home run yesterday, and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You play with some pretty good shortstops in your career.
I'm imagining you pulling your hair out if you had
to play next to JP Crawford defensively, because he's terrible.
I mean, there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
JP Crawford.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, look, he's starting to swing the bat a
little bit, but he's awful defensively. He's one of the
worst shortstops in baseball and out's above average twenty ninth
in baseball in that category. He's actually tied for dead last,
or excuse me, second to last behind CJ.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Abrams or in front of CJ. Abrams. With the Nationals,
he's a problem.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He is a absolute problem defensively at shortstop.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I wonder what the Mariners are going to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I mean, do they just and pray that cold Emerson
proves he's ready sooner than later?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Bring him up?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Because Dick you mentioned it, he can play defense now
at this level, Cold Emerson can. So how much of
that would factor into your thinking on whether or not
you bring Told Emerson up or not because you got
to get somebody at shortstop with a glove.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Well, I think Crawford's track record is he is a
really good defensive shortstop. All of a sudden, he's getting
to a point in his career where it's you know,
he's regressed, he's got a hit. Sure, I think it's
going to be the Emerson thing. Is going to be
an organizational move on when we feel it's best for
Colt Emerson to join the team from a career, from
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his career standpoint, what's best for him, not we need
it right now. I think that's going to be more
of a strategic call up. When when is the time?
When is the passing of the torch until then. No,
I mean, what is craft Crawford's hitting two hundred right now?
They had a big week, hit a couple big homers
for him this week, and that come behind when where
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they won five to four in the rage.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
No doubt, but yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Crawford has definitely regressed defensively. He's that's always been a
strong suit for him, but it's definitely noticeably down this year.
But I think that's gonna the Emerson thing. I think
that is going to be not a Crawford thing. That's
gonna be when is Emerson ready and we feel ready
to put him in the big legs and do this
thing right so his career can get off to the
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start that they wanted to get off. It doesn't mean
the organization they're always making these plans and how they're
going to do it and when when's too early and
when's too late. It doesn't mean they're one hundred percent right.
But I think that's going to be that decision. In
the meantime, They're going to do what they do in
the big leagues with Reevas and Crawford, and when they
decide Emerson's time is that's when they're going to pass
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the torch, not because of what the shortstops are doing.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, Brett, you played one year in Atlanta in nineteen
ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You on the Ted Turner stories for us.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh, oh, I got it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Game it was a Game three Ted, and I hadn't
met Ted. I was there only one year. But it's
game three the World Series and him and Jane come
come wandering down at the clubhouse pre game, and I
don't remember the stocks. I don't remember the stocks. But
he was given his pre game Hey, I believe in you.
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You guys wont one hundred and four games as year.
We're down to oh I think to to the to
the Yankees at the time, and he said, yeah, I
don't care about this. Oh and two your first two games,
we're gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
We're you know.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
So he gave us the typical raw RaSE. Jane sat
there just sitting there looking at us, like, oh, there's
Jane Fonda, you know on Golden Pond.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Check there.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And Ted was kind of endearing. I mean, he was charismatic,
he was funny. It's one of those guys that you know,
you give him, uh, he's the host of the night.
He was he was great, He was a great embassy.
But he went through his little ship. And then at
the very end he looked at us and he goes,
oh yeah, And don't I forget You can't quote me
on this. I don't remember if it was Turner Broadcasting
(18:09):
or something a stock he said, Oh yeah, it was
something he owned, he said, And.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Make sure you buy whatever the stock was.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You know, every everybody, everybody kind of nods their head,
Oh yeah, Ted, you own the company.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Funny, funny, funny.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Six months later, that thing went through the roof, and
guys on the team we were talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Did he inside or trade with us? And we didn't
take advantage of that? But that's that's the story I
remember from Ted. Well, would you like to know what
your war was? In that World Series against the Yankees?
By the way, I mean war? You didn't know what
war was? Let me let me give you a quick lesson.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Didn't understand that. We understood average homers, Ribby's. That's all
we cared about, right. We didn't know what these kids
today know exactly how to get a point on war
here and a point on war there.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
We didn't train for it.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
If we knew we were going to be paid on war,
I don't know what my war is, it would have
been way higher and probably the other stats would have
been lower. That's what these guys do today. They trained
for what war and ops. They could care less how
much they strike out. They could care less what their
average is. As long as their war and their ops
is in line, and that's all they care about. That's
what they trained for. I can't get on them for
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doing it. That's what teams are paying you for. But
war in my generation was not a thing. I'll guarantee
you you go back. Now, everybody's going to know. But
back then, I f you'd had said to the players
across the board, got them all in a room and said,
do you know what war is? They would all looked
at you like you had two heads.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It wasn't a thing.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Well, and that's why I don't say war is not
a thing. Now everybody's well aware of it, but then
it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
War is supposed to encompass everything that a player does,
by the way, so but just so you know, the
Braves got swept in that series against the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Dick and Jackson. It wasn't Brett's fault. He hit five. Yes,
I did what was by war? My war fifty million?
All right?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
And then you got dumped and went to play for
the Mariners the next year.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh oh no, I went to the podcast you.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Hit fourteen eighteen. That was your ops fourteen eighteen in
the World Series. All right, Dana White's on podcast this week.
Enjoy and have fun. We'll talk on a week man,
nice man.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Appreciate the double dip.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yes, sir, yes, sir Brett boone. Actually, hey, don't pay
him for this week because we pumped this podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's one or the other. He gets the money or
he gets the promotion. We gave him the promotion. This
is Duke of Duke.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
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Speaker 8 (20:50):
I think originally I would have expected the plan here
was to have a new owner in place by the
start of the season. As we get dragged out a
little bit, I think that's maybe a little bit less
and less likely. We haven't seen formal diids yet. I
think the bankers that are running the Stealer are still
trying to figure out who's real and who isn't. So
this isn't going to wrap up anytime in the next
few weeks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
All right.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's the voice of Eben Novi Williams, who writes for Sportico,
who was the first to report he's got a guy
that he does writing with.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't remember who his partner is.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But doesn't matter because Evan was the one that was
on our show, so we talk about him. Two potential
ownership options have emerged for the Seahawks, one led by
Indian steel mogul tycoon slash magnet Aditya Mattall, and another
one led by a guy named Vanad Koesla, not coleslaw Cosla,
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who's worth about fourteen billion dollars. He's the founder of
co founder of Sun Microsystems. We've heard them, and he
is a minority owner of the forty nine ers. Wick
Rosebuck Grosbuck, sorry not Michelle Grosnik, but Wick Grosbuck is
the minority owner of the Boston Celtics used to be
the majority owner Dick of the Boston Celtics, and then
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they sold and then he got back in as a
minority owner. Chris Price, like I said earlier, Boston Globe
sent me a text earlier that said, Hey, the guy
at first was kind of sticking his nose into everything
and then realized, don't do that right, Hire basketball people
to make basketball decisions, and the Celtics took off. So
those are the two potential ownership groups that we've heard
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so far.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I think if you've got a past owner of any
of the major franchises, all you got to do is
ask a media member and a fan of that franchise,
and I think you're going to get a pretty good
indication of what they were like. The media member is
going to give you more the personal side and how
he ran the business.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The fans just going to be like, hey, you.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Know, a fan will know are you a good owner
or a bad owner based upon the decisions you make
and how much you win.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Well, I mean, look, there's opportunities for bad owners to
get lucky, right, Yes, of course. I don't think over
a twenty year period though, that's a pretty stick magnificant.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know data point to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Be talking about Tom Benson and Drew Brees pretty much. Yeah,
I mean it's gonna happen right where you know, guys,
Guys get a break. I mean, Jim Hersay made the
Super Bowl, you know, obviously with with Peyton Manning, and
if he wouldn't, if if he hadn't drafted Peyton Manning,
you know, as high as he did. Who knows where
the Colts go, right?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But well, some bat owners even get lucky and can't
do anything with it, like the Jags and Trevor Lawrence.
I mean they got handed Trevor Lawrence, and you've ben
screwed that up.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, well, man, you can argue Trevor hasn't played it
to his potential. But I get what you're talking about
for sure. Look, guys, here's the thing for me. I'm
not worried about the Seahawks moving. And you brought this
up earlier today. I think, what was it with Bob
or with with with Evan about the Seahawks going to
London because you said people were telling you about that
on social media. I hadn't thought about that at all. Like, honestly,
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I hadn't even thought about the idea of the Seahawks
moving overseas, let alone moving anywhere. So maybe down the
road that'll be a concern for me, but it's not
a concern now. I'm not saying it'll never be a concern,
but it's not a concern now. The only concern I've
got is that we sell this thing. And when I
mean we, I mean them to the right person, right,
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because I think it's going to be really, really hard to.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Duplicate what Paul Allen did.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I mean, look at the Seahawks before and after Paul
bpa Apa, before Paul Allen, After Paul Allen, It's a
totally different deal. Looks like a menu from ihop versus
the met For God's sakes, it's not even close to
being the same. So do we really think that it's
going to be easy to duplicate what Paul Allen did?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
You're talking about carrying on right, like you're basically, in
some ways, guys talking about the ownership version of the
Niners going from Joe Montana to Steve Young, or the
Packers going from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers. That's what
you're asking to do, and I'm certain it's happened somewhere,
we'd have to find it. But I really hope that
the people in charge of identifying the next steward ship
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of franchise looked for that as well as as much
money as they can get, because that's in Paul's will.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But if the offers are relatively.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Equal, can we spend some time people investigating who these
folks are and how influential, how invested they will be
in the Seahawks continuing to be one of the best
franchises in sports.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I mean, how many franchises have been better than the
Seahawks since Paul Allen bought the team? I mean the Patriots,
Kansas City, Vansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Maybe Philadelphia maybe, But that's about it. That's about Hawks
or third three.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's that's it.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, there's a couple other teams have more wins
since then, like the Steelers and.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
The Ravens, but I mean they haven't.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
They haven't had the sustained success and the peaks of
four Super Bowls and two Super Bowl Championships.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Well, there's only been two teams that have what was
the stat two teams that have played in more Super
Bowls than the Hawks have since two thousand and five
and it's the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
And and we were tired.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's Philadelphia, that's it, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And look, man, I mean this is that's my concern,
and I think that that should be all Seahawks fans
concern is how do we keep this thing going? John
Schneider has been here now for twenty six damn years?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Twenty seven? Is it twenty six?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Sorry, seventeen? My fault since twenty ten, right, so this
is his seventeenth year.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He's going to leave at some point. I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I've got immediate concerns about a new owner, as long
as that new owner doesn't come in and tell John that, hey,
I want to make my son the co g write
something like that, as long as the new co owner
steps in and says or the new owner steps in
and says, John, you do John, and Mike you do Mike.
But then when John retires or something happens and he's
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got to hire somebody, what kind of person is he
going to want to hire? Is he going to spend
the money to get the best option? Because that's what
Paul Allen was always about.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
You know, And I think ultimately we were talking about
all these candidates, Like, whether it's fourteen billion dollars or
twenty four billion dollars, they're going to be able to
have the money after the purchase of the team to
go out and get the best candidate. Ultimately, you want
an owner who doesn't Jerry Jones it. You want an
owner who seeds the football knowledge to the people hired
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for football knowledge. That's your team president, that's your whether
it's a general manager, highlighted coach, or even just the
entire staff. Hey, what kind of general manager would be
best fit what exactly we're trying to do here over
the next five years. You listen to the smart football
people and step away from the football knowledge that you don't.
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I mean, all these people that we're talking about, they
don't have their they don't have football knowledge. So I
need these people to understand that, for lack of a
better term, they don't know a lot of crap and
just let the people who do know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Do the work.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, seventeen playoff appearances, Dick, sorry, in twenty nine years
four in a previous twenty one, that's what Paul did.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I think, because owners are so much richer now than
in the past, I agree with Jackson. I don't think
that what you're gonna pay a general manager is going
to or even what you're gonna pay a head coach
matters as much. Now Tom Dundan evidently is different in
Portland because he's wanting to have the cheapest head coach
in the in the NBA for the Blazers. So there
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are exceptions to the rule, but I would say most.
I mean, I think how much you're paying your coach,
how much you're paying your GM, is much more of
like a nineteen eighties, nineties and two thousands problem than
it is a twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Six Here, can you tell me there's not cheap owners
out there?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, they're cheap owners out there. Spend the money to
get a top tier guy.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
Now, what we're saying is, if you've purchased the Seattle
Seahawks right for the billions billions dreams, you have the
money to be able to go get.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, yeah, but guys they have it, do they spend it?
I mean?
Speaker 9 (28:53):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But a general manager, I mean a general manager is
worth the same as what like a middle linebacker.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's not like he's worth a quarter back.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But Okay, if you guys are telling me that you
don't see any world where a cheap o owner comes
in here and decides, you know what, I'd rather just
promote somebody. I'd rather just go get somebody on the
cheap because I'm gonna help make some calls here on
draft day in free agents.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
That's all. That's what that's But guys, guys, we're saying
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
But if you're just dismissing the idea that an owner
can come in here and not pony up what it
takes to hire the right coach, hire the right GM,
keep up with the times facility wise, and attract top
tier free agents, let me ask you a question. We
can talk to Milan about this tomorrow. Is there a
chance that without Jody Allen, the Seahawks don't extend both
(29:43):
JSN and Devin Witherspoon and a owner comes in and says,
you know what, I'm not doing that. Yes, that's the concern.
That's an absolute concern for me. So I'm hoping again
that the people that are selling this thing do enough
work to make sure we get a person that will
continue to do things the way Paul Allen would have
done that.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
You know what, Actually I mean I'm going to kind
of go back on that because I think that there
is a world where there is an owner in place
instead of Jody Allen who wants to get their hands
dirty and not give John the power to make the
decision on JSN. I don't think that there's any potential
owner of the Seahawks who wouldn't give JSN the money
(30:26):
because oh, actually, we're not going to try to hit
the salary cap.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
We want to build this team on the cheap.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
I think it's more of a philosophy of how much
power am I giving my GM.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, it's like Evan said, it's like there's such a
there's such a narrow gap between in the salary ranges
of the NFL because of the cap that it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You really don't have.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I mean everybody everybody thinks Jerry Jones is a quote
unquote cheap owner too, but I mean he still signs
multiplats exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So I think you guys are I think you guys
are being a little bit naive here, honestly, both of
you about what about about what an owner could doinancially
or not do financially.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
What we were talking about, now that the conversation was
not paying a general manage.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I'm talking about the entire conversa. Well, that's a different conversations.
Coach changed the whole thing, but then that includes a
general manager, guys, it includes everything. It encompasses the whole thing.
Let's not get hyper focused on a GM. I'm talking
about the entire picture, and that should scare the hell
out of you because we just don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We have no idea how invested.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
These guys just changed the parameters, so we'll change our
answer change.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I haven't changed any parameters. I don't think he is
at all. But I think Softie is we are we
are zoomed out.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Saftie is zooming in when he says cheap, that being
cheap is wanting your hands in the dirt and wanting
to say I cannot can get that for cheaper, and
and not necessarily that I don't have the money. But
it's an element of you know what, I'm smarter than
those people football people in charge. But that's a concern
if you zoom out, and this is what I say,
(31:57):
Softie is what we'd Dick and I are saying. If
you zoom out, the conversation is extrapolated to wanting an
owner who lets the football people do football thing.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yes, of course, because when you thought about that involves
paying the right people at the top of their profession,
and if to do the right thing, if they.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Wanted to put their hands in and they wanted to
be you know, smart, smart. Oh you know what, I
can get this guy for four million, five million, and
I think I think that's a smarter move.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, let let the smart people make smart decisions. I mean,
how often do we say be smart enough to know
what you don't need?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And that in the end is Look, I'm hopeful that
they get that person. But until that person shows us
who they are, how can we even remotely begin to
judge them?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
See? My concern is more the hey, I can I
can hire a puppet for cheaper than this general manager
that wants to run it on his own.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
That would be my concern.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
My concern is that I've got two awesome candidates and
I can pay and one will do it for four
and one will do it for five and the five
million dollar one I think is a little bit better.
I don't think there's a lot of owners that would
would quibble over the one million dollars actually getting a
better That's.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Not the conversation I'm having. I'm not talking about a
million bucks. I'm talking about a guy. Is he committed
or not? Is he committed or not? I mean a
million bucks? Half a million bucks? What the hell are
we talking about here? Guys, that's who is committed or not.
And if you're not committed to doing the right thing,
it's gonna sometimes show itself. And the amount of money
(33:32):
you commit to make a football team or any team better,
that is absolutely a concern because we see it all
around sports, in every league, in every town. All right,
Go ask Brown, Go ask Jet fans, for example, how
they feel.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Go ask my cousin Evan about that.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Owners have to give press conferences to to you know,
oh you know what. I that's the owner saying that
I'm not seeding control. I want an owner who never
has a press.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, I like that, all right, except what he
buys the team that he can say.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Bryce Miller seventy four games, seventy four starts in his
career as a major leaguer in the bullpen. Nope, nothing
in the postseason, just the three starts a year ago.
And I don't believe Luis Castillo has ever appeared out
of the bullpen either in his career, either playoffs or
(34:27):
Major League. So, as they like to say, between Bryce
Miller and Luis Castillo, some's got to give dick yeh
between these two guys. And you know, over here we
got Emerson Hancocks like, hey, I'm good, don't talk to
me anymore, man, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It's like he's already made the team. He's not worried
about it.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Right, I'm just throwing you know, seven innings of one run.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Right exactly, just mowing him down fourteen k's. I'm Randy
Johnson night. So the question of what to do, I
feel I'm starting to get the sense, as I know
you are as well, based on stuff that people are
reporting facts, that we're gonna have an answer to this
Bryce Miller conundrum. Maybe this weekend, I know, Jude reported.
(35:05):
Adam Jude reported that the Mariners may activate him this weekend,
and either a you go to a six man rotation
b Luis Castillo or Bryce Miller goes into the bullpen,
or see you have Emerson Hancock to something else. I
think we can toss out see s he's gone like
(35:27):
done right, he's not a part of this. He's earned
his right to stay. He's not going anywhere. I kind
of like the idea of bringing Bryce Miller in it
first as more of a long reliever if they need him.
He does need to get work though, right, you can't
bring him back and have him sit around.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He's got to pitch at least every fifth day.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I do like the idea for now of Bryce Miller
being in that role because the Mariners have injuries in
their bullpen and Miller is going to be brought back slowly.
So I think what I would do if I were
in charge of the world is I would start Luis
Castillo on Saturday. If Bryce Miller is active, I would
start him off as a long reliever in the bullpen.
(36:10):
Go a couple of maybe weeks or so with that,
maybe a week and a half, maybe a start or
two with Luis, a couple of appearances, maybe two or
three out of Bryce, and then reevaluate things in ten
days from now.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean quick note, just because of necessity, Luis
Castillo did pitch out of the bullpen in that fifteen
Did they really count though?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well? He got the win, right, They weren't playing on
doing it. No, it was out of necessity.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
They need some arm to pitch the fifteenth inning, and
thank god that we got the base knock in the
bottom of the inning to win the game.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I thought I thought Adam Jude brought up an interesting
situation like what if you co start them right yet
you co start and you just you just say, Okay, Bryce,
you're pitching like Luis you're going and Bryce you're pitching
when ever Luise needs to come out. You're pitching, and
you're getting us, hopefully to Andre's munos. The two of
(37:06):
you hopefully can give us five innings from Luis, three
innings from Bryce get you to munios. And I think
that I love that plan because the bullpen is in bad,
bad shape, no doubt well, and so Bryce Miller could Honestly,
Bryce Miller could fill the role of brash and spire
because he gets both sides out.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I know he's a lefty and all that, but you
don't want to pitch Jose Ferrara four of every six games.
He just don't right and so he's gonna get overworked
very quickly here. So look, I've been waiting for Adam
ju to make a good point. Ever since he showed
up here and he finally made it one, I'm totally
four of that, And I honestly think my gut is
that that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna put Bryce
(37:47):
Miller in the bullpen to start off, just because there's
a need. Now, if everybody was healthy right now, it's
a different conundrum.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know, you got to really figure it out at
that point. But you need him.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I mean it's like, hey, we don't even need to
make a call yet, Dick on this thing, because we
have a job that we need him to fill that
nobody else can fill because guys are hurt.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So let's do that. Let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And then when the bullpen gets healthy again, you get
a couple of more starts out of Luis Castillo, then
we can make a call on who stays in the rotation.
But I I do personally think Dick that a six
man rotation is a bad idea. That's one less game
that you gotta wait, or one more game to wait
before you see Brian wu George Kirby, Logan Gilbert and
(38:31):
Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
And I'm not doing that, just checking the splits on
on Miller. Only his rookie year did left handers beat
him up right, Other than that twenty twenty four, twenty five,
his splits are pretty even.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I mean he can. I got no issues at all.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
If Bryce Miller's coming in in the sixth inning and
you got the meat of some team's lineup with two
lefties in aariety.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I got no issues with Bryce Miller face.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
The Mariners have proven in the last year that they're
willing to kind of tinker a little bit, because that's
what they did with Emerson Hancock last year when he
was a reliever and it was kind of out of necessity,
and look at him now, right, we're going to break
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