July 13, 2026 • 30 mins
In the second hour, Dick Fain and Alyssa Charlston-Smith chat with Hugh Millen about the sale of the Seattle Seahawks to the family of Vinod Khosla, Neeru Khosla, and Neal Khosla, including his nervousness about the change, then they listen and react to audio from Chuck Powell, who this morning called for the firing of Dan Wilson by the Mariners.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Ah, Yes, it's four o'clock on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's time for a little more at four with home
Hugh Breed Love million mill and we're gonna talk a
lot at Seahawks sale here, Hugh.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But what do you think about? What do you think
about a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guy that's gonna turn down the Major League Baseball All
Star Game just because he wasn't high enough on the
pecking order to be selected, and the ones he eventually
got selected, he's like, Nope, not gonna do it, not
gonna play.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Uh, I'm I'm cool with people turning that down. I
mean I can't simultaneously rip Russell Wilson for playing, you know,
as the seventh alternate in the program backed up this
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Uh you know that's true.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't rip him for that him that So, No,
you know what I do, I rip what I would
term the lazy reporting involved in that that they and
good to be with you, Dick and Alyssa. But that
would be my charges. That is that at some point
if you're gonna take the I'm in the space in
your article to write that he's that he's a ten
(01:04):
time pro bowler, right at least just put in a
in a dash or in parenthesis, parenthetically, just just say
voted to five. How you know that doesn't take a
lot of characters on a keyboard and in the space
and this website stuff now, so it's not even inches
in a newspaper. So so I think that it's just
the idea that Russ Russell Wilson promulgates it, uh that
(01:28):
that he's a ten time pro bowler, and nobody challenges it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Five is a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Five is a lot, but it's not but it's not ten.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But it's not it's not ten, uh Hugh.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Before we talk about Cosla, let's let's rewind a little
bit and talk about the Allens and evaluate for me
now that it's over the Jody Allen run. And can
you separate what Jody Allen accomplished versus what Paul accomplished
or was it just in your mind just a one
(02:00):
twenty five year reign.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I think a lot of credit has been given
to Paul Allen. We could, we could discuss him, might
be happy to do it. I think a lot of
Seahawk fans would be happy to marinate in all of
that because it was wonderful particularly when you consider for
those who can remember the Ken Barring years and you know,
the moving trucks to la and what have you. So
(02:23):
NFL football was, you know, dangling by a thin thread
prior to the emergence of Paul Allen. And and he
just did everything right. I mean, he spent money, and
he held his tongue, which is exactly what you'd want
billionaires to do. And so so I think enough has
been said to that for me, you know, in looking
(02:43):
at Jody Allen Alyssa, I'll be interested in your take
on this. You know, Paul Allen passed in October of
twenty eighteen, shortly thereafter. Had you asked me about Jody Allen,
I would have said, well, the number one bullet on
her resume is she's in the Lucky Sperm Club. She's
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a sister of Paul Allen and and and I wouldn't
have thought.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Much beyond that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But I think now that I have seen what she's done, uh,
I have a different take. I would say, first of all,
let's this is gonna be obviously self evident, but maybe
it's a little bit more profound than it initially sounds.
Every single employee, coach player on that Super Bowl winning
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team was either hired or retained by Jodie Allen, or
hired or retained by somebody that she hired or retained.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I know that sounds like a tautology, that the truth
is packed inside the definition UH. And obviously ownership is
the root of an ORG chart. But I think that
that just the fact, you know, you know, the the uh,
the orchestration of of her duties UH through all of that,
and in a way, I think she, in a way
(04:03):
she deserves arguably greater admiration than even Paul Allen because
she performed her caretaker duties without the consolation of ownership.
She knew this date was coming, and I think there's
three key times, three key points in her ownership. February
of twenty twenty two, Russell Wilson comes to her and says,
(04:24):
fire Pete Carroll, let's get Sean Payton in here, and
and by the way, fire Schneider while you're at it.
That must have been hard for her when Russell Wilson,
the star that he was, you know, for her to say, no, actually,
it's going to.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Be you that I kicked to the current.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And so the loyalty was to Carol, and then a
year later, in January twenty twenty three, she actually does
the opposite. She now she boots Pete Carroll out for
entirely different reasons. And then and then you could add
a third component to her, you know, critical aspect of
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her leadership. She hires Mike McDonald. I mean, it would
have been easy to say, hey, let's just get a retread.
It's a safer pick. Mike McDonald's thirty six years old.
But you know she was willing to be either persuaded
or by her own intuition to be bold. And so
I think those are three incredibly decisive pieces of decision
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making and leadership. And I would just say this, every
single hand of the Seattle sex that touch that Lombardi
can be traced back to Jody Allen. So I just
I tip my hat.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Hell of a job.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I'd certainly changed my opinion about her over the course
of the years in the manner I describe.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm with you, Hugh, in terms of not just
settling for mediocrity. She truly elevated the franchise to another
Super Bowl. I mean, to continue to keep John Schneider,
He's the common denominator as well, right from the carryover
from all Paul Allen to Jody. The decisions, the hard
decisions to really take the hit. I think a lot
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of people did realize. I mean, yes, John Schneider was
heavily involved in the Pete Carroll firing, but partly taking
the hit for letting go of a beloved Seahawks character
and face of Seattle who brought them to the first
two Super Bowls and got one within I think making
those hard decisions and also knowing what her brother wanted,
it was impressive the way that she stayed behind the
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scenes but also took some of the heat while also
continuing to retain some of the most important characters. What
I want to know from your perspective, why is it
important for this announcement for Neru, the wife of the node,
to be named the controlling owner in this whole situation.
And she's got what three two Stanford degrees molecular biology,
(06:50):
like her background is interesting, So why do you think
it was important to name her the controlling owner?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's obviously a family matter. I'd be speaking from ignorance
on on you know why, uh, you know how that's
divvied up what role she wants to play, and and
you know that really uh you know the soun obviously
now he's he's hasn't just sat sat around. I use
the term lucky sperm club, and I would have been
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inclined to inclined to use that about the Sun. But
but you know, he he to his credit. Uh you know,
he he formed a business on his own and and
uh and has thrived. So I think that the the
entire family is remarkably high achievers. But you know that's
in in areas other than professional sports ownership. I mean, uh,
(07:37):
you know, there's there's a there's a great deal of
concern for me. Jackson. I don't know if you're there.
If if you can be the secretary here for a second,
please can you write down this formula Jackson formula?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I was never gonna math this.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He times equals see all right, times m equals c
probability times magnitude equals concern. So what I'm about to say,
I don't want to to be misconstrued that I that
I haven't considered the probability. Okay, a probability can be low,
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but a magnitude can be high, and that elevates your concern. Obviously,
we all have home insurance. None of us really think
our home is going to catch on fire. Now you know,
obviously your lender requires it if you've got a mortgage.
But even if you don't have a mortgage, you probably
have home insurance. Okay, because because low probability times high
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magnitude is a concern, and everything about the ownership to
me has high magnitude. I don't know what these guys
are going to I don't know the nature of how that,
How could anybody know? Now they were at the forty
nine ers. We know that Eddie de Barbelow was famously
one of the best owner and his daughter Denise married
(09:03):
John York, So John York and Jed there's there's at
least there's a DNA in the forty nine ers that
this ownership group was briefly exposed to. So maybe that's
a good thing. But that would just be uh possibly
even wishful thinking. There's no proof to that. So I
I I look and say all the things, what are
the things I would be concerned about? They might have
(09:24):
low probability. Well, let's let's start with moving the franchise.
I doubt that will happen. I think it's a low probability,
but the magnitude is is that's that's a nuclear option
to me in the sports world, you know, And then
how are they gonna interact with the principles? I mean,
we got John sni who got Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald's
(09:45):
a happy coach here. I don't in five years from now,
could I see something the way they meddle that Mike
McDonald all of a sudden, you know, doesn't really want
to uh be involved with the leaders. I'll tell you
one thing. If you don't think that happened with Kaitlin
boor uh, then you you're you're just ignorant of the facts,
(10:08):
because that's that exactly, you know, the Troy Dan did
not hire him, right, and so he he liked his
boss at one point by the time he left Washington,
he didn't like his boss, right, And so could could
something like that happen again? Probably not, probably not, But
the magnitude of some of these same you know, same
(10:28):
thing could uh maybe maybe Snyder doesn't want to work
with them. So so I would assume what is the
most probable would be that these guys are gonna come in. Understand,
you know, stay out, stay out. Everything's gonna be fine.
But we've got enough examples. We can be here all day.
Uh uh. You know, even even the moving of the team.
(10:49):
I mean, is there some probability greater than zero that
here here, these guys are from the Bay Area that
let's suppose this is very unlikely to happen. But if
the you know, Oakland, they say, well, hey, we lost
all these teams, we want a new team. Let's say
that five ten years from now, and these guys are
from the Bay Area, and now of a sudden Oakland
wants to bend over. They've got a new site or something,
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or new financier or whatever thing's changed there. And now
all of a sudden, we're getting leveraged because they want
to move to Oakland. You think that can't happen. Al
Davis went from.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oakland to LA to Oakland and and.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Every time the owners tried to say, no, we're not
gonna let you move, you know, he sued them and
won and got trouble damages. Look at the charges going
into LA to you know, two teams in the same market,
like they know damn well from an anti trust perspective.
You can't stop an owner once he gets a team
from moving a team. Is it likely to happen? Probability low.
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But I'll tell you one thing. You multiply the small
by the enormous, and you don't get nothing, right, you
get something a lot more than nothing. And so yeah,
this to me is just, you know, just kind of
a time I bite some fingernail and everything will probably
be okay. But until we go a few years and
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we confirm that everything's okay, I think there's reason for concern.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, so you would vote like the poll that I
that I put out a few hours ago and I
mentioned on the air last last hour, what are your
emotions of the Seahawks sale. I don't think excited would
fit the Hughes. I don't think depressed would fit Hugh.
But the other two which were the two highest response,
nervous or curious?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are you more nervous or are you more curious as
to what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Because Alyssa and I voted for curious and Jackson is
firmly on the nervous side.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I'm I'm lining square with Jackson. Okay, I think
that nervous I think it should dwarf curious if you
really my feeling. I'm trying to understand how curious would
override nervous for somebody who's truly a Seahawk fan.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
That's yeah, that's the word.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
If you if you are, if you're really like like
you're is in it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I was just saying, I would faciously optimistic would be
more curious side than it would on the nervous side.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And that's what I am. I'm cautiously optimistic, and that's fair.
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think, you know, if we had the time to
develop this over a pitch of beer, you know, just
talking asks, you know, seatleites and and friends and what
have you, I would probably try and persuade you. I'd
probably say, Dick, I know, I know you are a
passionate Seahawks fan, so that that that box is already checked.
But I would challenge.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You, are you really can? Have you really thought about
this formula?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Pee times amic we'll see, like I would challenge you
that that maybe on first place, you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Haven't given that enough thought.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
That's what I would say to anybody who says, oh,
I'm just merely curious. Guess what I'll be honest, I'll
raise my hand. I'd be curious about the Sounders with
a new owner because that my heart isn't into it
like the Sea Hawks, but because it's the Seahawks and
I have much more passion and that them that am
in that equation. The magnitude of any of these events, uh,
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elevating exponentially the concern uh to me, I would say, yeah,
nervous until probably and again, I want to say it
for like the fourth time. I acknowledge the probabilities low.
They're probably gonna be wonderful. They're probably gonna come in
and they're gonna uh and and five years from now
they're gonna be writing these stories in the Athletic about
how how what a great transition it was, and Paul,
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you know, and there's these photos with Mike McDonald's arming
arm with these guys. It's probably gonna be fine, but
it might not be.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And we know damn well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
If you look at the history of owners throughout all
the sports, there are scores of examples where one would think, oh,
everything's gonna be hunky dory, guess what, and it wasn't. Yeah,
so uh, anyway, I think, Okay, nervous in my opinion, nervous.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Now I want to start talking about that.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That and that does make a lot of sense, and
from honest perspective, like because I've talked about the Seahawks
on TV for a while and I didn't play for
the Seahawks. I wasn't in the organization. I didn't play
football full disclosure, as might shock some people. I'm curious
because I'm not as as steadfast as a fan because
I've pulled out my fandom a little bit, And that
is why I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So you nailed it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that is I'm curious because I'm like, oh,
we'll see how it goes. Like I'm not gonna be
heartbroken either way, to be honest, like I've kind of
pulled out of the fandom a little bit by being
in the media.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Whether you want to say it's a one percent, a
point one, a five percent, Yeah, moving the team would
would be that.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Heart That would be heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah for some reason that that absolutely like that because
that's just the Sonics. That is where my heart has
been forever. So that would be trauma unloading itself again.
But Hugh, I am curious what would be a move
if this ownership group in the next two three years
were to make that would put a big red flag
out there for you. That would be like, oh oh,
(15:54):
like here we go, Like is there something with this
ownership group that even in the next year, if something
happens that is like that would be take you from
nervous to depressed.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well okay, well, first of all, the first things, if
we start hearing a little trickling of information that that
they're trying to you know, to cut corners and the
you know, the players are used to a certain standard
on this and you know, if they're if they can't somebody,
if they don't have the cash, uh, you know, to
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sign somebody, and I don't think that's gonna happen. But
if we start hearing their kind of chintzing here and there,
I mean, because because this is now their their number
one asset if you look at their their bouns you know, yeah,
you know, and so so we've seen particularly and by
the way, on the level of concern, if you were
then to say the ones that that have as their
(16:45):
primary source of income, uh, the NFL, you know, whether
it's art model, you know, moving the team to Baltimore
like that, there there there's a higher level of concern
with owners that have less money. And you know, so
I would say, if we're hearing anything about you know,
(17:07):
cheapness parsimonious, I wouldn't like that. I would say that
that's gonna that's gonna hurt the the energy, the foundation internally.
And then you know, if we hear rumors that that
any of the three of them emphasize three because we
got the kid involved two, that that maybe he's interested
in you know, I've read that they're really into data
(17:29):
and uh analytics and what have you. What an irony, right,
because on a relative scale, I'm into data and analytics
as well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But but if they.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Were to be you know, somehow forcing data and analytics
to take a greater share of the decision making and
and maybe meddling with Schneider in any way, you know,
just just upsetting the Apple card. Isn't that a term?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, like the apples cart's going fine right now.
All the apples are stacked, you know, they're fine. They're
not rolling anywhere. Like, don't push the damn apple cart
over a curb, just roll it on the nice smooth paveway.
It's right in front of you. It's right in front
of it there, Just stay away from the curb. And
so that would be you know, I'd start there. Uh
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you know, but I think it's important, as I said,
what do we say, Paul, Paul Allen did spend the money,
held his tongue do that? And and then and then
have John Schneider and Mike McDonald just speak as glowingly
about you as they do about working for first Paul,
and of course Mike McDonald didn't. But but but the
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way Mike McDonald talks about his interaction with Jody Allen.
And and again, man, those three decisions she made good
on you girl? What I mean that that had to
be tough, and she went three for three. She she's
batting a thousand on the really tough positions where the
alternative decision would have been either easy or even you know,
(18:56):
more intuitive. So uh so, yeah, I can't. I can't
tell you how much i'm I'm I'm impressing how I
changed my opinion on Jody Allen. And so so now, yeah,
I'm nervous to hell. Well, I'm a Seahawk fan and
I have been. I went to the very first game. Sorry,
I don't know if that's relevant, went very first game
of the Seahawks in the Kingdom against the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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and Jim Hart, you know, been a Seyawk fan ever
from that time for it, even when I played against him,
there was a weird part of me that was a
Sea Oawk fan. So yeah, no, I don't want any
any apples falling off the cart, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We'll talk more about it tomorrow early start tomorrow after
soccer on about two thirty tomorrow, so we'll be rocking
and ready.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
All right, great to have you on the team here today,
A Lissa looking forward to your stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Appreciate it, Okay, now you breed love Mellon. He'll co
host tomorrow and Wednesday as well as Friday this week.
And we can't don't possibly have a franchise in the
city that over uses analytics, Dowie.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'm trying to think, is there is there a team
that is I know? Yeah, oh wait.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh there is And we're going to talk about that
team next because they're one game under five hundred and
our morning show host just called for the manager to
be fired. You'll hear that next on ninety three point
three KJFM.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now back to Sophie and Dick.
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Speaker 1 (20:31):
All Right, it's a beautiful Monday.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm in a good mood, spent all morning watching the
kid on a golf course. So I've decided, you know what,
We're gonna wait an hour and a half before we
talk about this baseball team, because I'm in a good
mood and I don't want to do want to bring
my bring my spirits down, despite the fact that they, hey,
they hey, they.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Won a game yesterday. All right, cool, we'll eat too to.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Get to forty eight and forty nine at the All
Star breaks. So no Mariner baseball until Friday. But what
was interesting when I was driving back today, I had
not heard this originally on Chuck's show, but I heard
it on The Mollywop Show with Nathan Bishop, Chris Crawford
and are a man Ian Furness that our normal our
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morning show host Chuck Powell, who is normally very rational.
He's not knee jerk. He usually is not overly emotional
about things, said this this morning.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
The manager's not getting the most out of the team.
And this is too important of a season. There's too
much at stake. It's the fiftieth anniversar. We've never made
the World Series. We may have a lockout next year.
We can't let it end by missing the playoffs in
a year in which the American League is down like
never before. So I endorse a managerial change this morning. Officially,
(21:56):
I don't think they'll do it, but that's my statement
on a Monday morning. This is the fire Dan Wilson
Show on Chuck and Buck. And again I don't take
that lightly, but I think it's time. This team needs
a new boss, a new voice, and they need a shakeup.
They need to be reminded. You just can't play like
garbage and not expect bad things to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And I'd like to see it happen before we play
another game.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
All I will say about that comment is, Dan Wilson, if.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You've lost Chuck Powell, that's bad.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, Now you can lose me or Softie or somebody
that you know, we're a little more emotional, we'll throw
things out.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't call for guy's firings.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I don't call for guys firings it neither do Softy
really call for guys firings very much. But there are
there are lots of sports talk show hosts in this
country that just willy nilly, Ah.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's not Chuck Powell.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So when you've lost Chuck Powell Dan Wilson, you have
dug yourself a very very deep Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It is to hear Chuck say it, because you're right.
He is pretty reasonable. From the few conversations I've had
with him, He's comedic, always making people laugh.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But that was and he knows baseball very well, like
that is his sport.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I it's the accountability. Accountability thing with Dan Wilson is
something that frustrates me as someone who played basketball in college.
I played overseas, so I know this switch from college
to playing professionally and the pressure that's on you as
someone who's relied on to score. In this scenario, the
Mariners obviously relied on to score runs, something they're not
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doing a great job of, especially when it comes to
runners in scoring position. What I see the piggyback thing
has always been frustrating than protecting your players. Sure, that's great,
that's something that's more of a college thing when you're
in the pros. I think to a certain extent, like
the Randy A. Rose Arena left field answer, where he's
just kind of droning on and saying, like, well, defensive positioning,
(23:59):
why wasn't great for him?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
It's like Randy's injured. Randy didn't hustle to that ball.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Randy pulled up and looked lazy on TV, and Luis
Castillo's face showed it all. That's also someone who's not overemotional.
He gave up a home run on the very next play.
That was frustration. And in that scenario, I think if
somebody asked Dan Wilson about something that astronomically bad from
a defensive scenario, whether or not he's injured, Like if
he's injured, don't put him out there right for him
(24:25):
to say, I would rather hear him say that's something
I had a private conversation with Randy.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
That's all I want to say about that.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I would have appreciated that response more than protecting a player,
because it just looked a little bit on the weak side.
And Dan Wilson phenomenal human being, very philanthropic, awesome, But
in terms of professional sports manager there have been so
many things that have just been frustrating. That runners in
scoring position, that dates back to Scott's service, that dates
back to several managers before him, like that, they have
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been terrible and run with runners in scoring position at
different points in the season.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I just the accountability thing.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You're a player's coach, you're a you know, in terms
of like that's the the I know he's a manager,
he's a skipper, but to a certain extent, these are professionals.
They had a combined like twenty four war between their
five all stars last year, and it's like eleven this year.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Eleven.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, that's It's just something has to change.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't know if a new managerial voice would change that, honestly,
at this point in the season, would it. I don't
know if a firing right now would change that enough
this season to get them to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah. People mentioned always the Robbie Thompson with the Phillies.
You know, he took a team that was even worse
than the Mariners and got him to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But now he's now he's fired. So that didn't last.
It didn't last very long.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So yes, it's it's hard in baseball because you don't
really know how much is the manager helping you win.
And what I've always said is, I've always thought that
there are a small handful of managers that actually help
you win. There's a very small amount of managers that
actually help you lose, and most of them are in
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the middle. Yea, and they don't that much. I mean,
you and I are so used to basketball, where you scheme,
you drop plays like the coach is really intricately involved.
Football coaches maybe even more intricately involved. They are calling
every single offensive play and defensive formation that you have
on the floor, you know, So you know you say,
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probably football first, basketball second, and then way down third
you have you have the manager and the piggyback thing. Yes,
I agree with you. It's been kind of frustrating. It's
been wonky. How much was actually Dan?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How much do we throw on Dan? I still think
that's probably like a seventy thirty Jerry thing than it
is Dan servant be and Jerry and thirty being Dan.
But the set the lack of sense of urgency. And
I have used that term many times this year to
describe as baseball team. Ian used it in crosstalk with
me today. I don't know if he just remembered me
(26:52):
saying it or if that's something but doesn't matter. I
mean it is there is a lack of sense of
urgency with this baseball team, and they're almost it seems
like a lack of sense of urgency with this whole
baseball organization. And what I mean by that is, you know,
we can laugh at the fifty four percent thing, but
(27:12):
let's look at the whole genesis of what the fifty
four percent thing was all about. It was about long
term contention. And yeah, I want them to be good
for a long term, but when you're looking at being
good for an eight to ten year run, you know
what you're not doing. You're not emphasizing July twelfth, twenty
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twenty six, is game. You're emphasizing, well, can we be
good enough in October to play well in the playoffs?
And we're emphasizing can we good be good enough in
twenty twenty nine to continue to be you know this
this franchise that we want to have ninety wins every
single year so we can have all these lottery tickets
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and so I understand the long term view, but you
have to you have.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
To show some urgency in the short term as well.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And you can't just always rely on pulling the plane
up before it hits the mountain in August and September,
like they've done a couple of years over the last
five Well guess what a couple of the other years
they didn't. Yeah, they fell just short and they felt
just short. Why because they were under five hundred in June. Yeah,
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that's why they fell short in September. And I don't
want twenty twenty six to be the season another season
where hey, they won eighty five games, but guess what
Houston won eighty six or Texas won eighty six and
eighty five ain't getting you a wild card.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No, And Texas is looking hot, like they're getting better.
They've won three of their last four series. They've had
injuries to crucial players that are coming back. I think
if you're also a team that wants to contend frequently
for multiple years, because at this point I'm feeling like
twenty twenty three because twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You made it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
There was so much excitement at that point. It was
the most anticipated season twenty twenty three because of what
you did in twenty twenty two. Well, now this season
was highly anticipated because of what you did last year.
If you're an organization that wants to continue to contend,
do you hire a manager who has never had experience
but excites the fan base? Makes you make him an
interim last what two years ago, I can't remember what season,
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twenty twenty four and if twenty twenty four and then
hire him full time does not have that full time experience.
That whole process, and I think the Molliwop guys mentioned
it as well, like that is also not something you
will you do unless you really really believe in all
the micromanaging things that Dan Wilson can do. And I
know he's been with the organization for a long time,
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but that was also kind of a interesting like that
surprised a lot of people that, Oh, just the process
behind it. Who else did you talk to? Who else
did you interview? That was a surprise. And I think
that is starting to come to fruition in terms of well,
what other coaching skills do you have? In terms of
like getting these guys excited. It isn't just It isn't
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just on the players and the stars to continue to
up themselves, like one hundred and sixty two game season.
You need a motivator, You need somebody that excites the
group here and there, and I think Scott Service had
it sometimes, but I think overall lacked the excitement. Back
to back catchers as your managers. But this is the
first year since twenty nineteen. I'm not including twenty twenty
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that they're below five hundred at the All Star Break
first time since twenty nineteen. I mean, you didn't make
the playoffs that year, you didn't in twenty twenty was
a weird season.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Twenty twenty one, you didn't like it. Just what are
we seeing? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
They're a frustrating team. They're inconsistent. You win the series,
you lose a series, you win to you lose too.
Your stars are really unmotivated. Your best guys. Cole Young, Yeah,
that's no question about it. We'll talk to Bill Kruger
about it at the five o'clock hour.
Ah, Yes, it's four o'clock on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's time for a little more at four with home
Hugh Breed Love million mill and we're gonna talk a
lot at Seahawks sale here, Hugh.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But what do you think about? What do you think
about a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guy that's gonna turn down the Major League Baseball All
Star Game just because he wasn't high enough on the
pecking order to be selected, and the ones he eventually
got selected, he's like, Nope, not gonna do it, not
gonna play.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Uh, I'm I'm cool with people turning that down. I
mean I can't simultaneously rip Russell Wilson for playing, you know,
as the seventh alternate in the program backed up this
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Uh you know that's true.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't rip him for that him that So, No,
you know what I do, I rip what I would
term the lazy reporting involved in that that they and
good to be with you, Dick and Alyssa. But that
would be my charges. That is that at some point
if you're gonna take the I'm in the space in
your article to write that he's that he's a ten
(01:04):
time pro bowler, right at least just put in a
in a dash or in parenthesis, parenthetically, just just say
voted to five. How you know that doesn't take a
lot of characters on a keyboard and in the space
and this website stuff now, so it's not even inches
in a newspaper. So so I think that it's just
the idea that Russ Russell Wilson promulgates it, uh that
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that he's a ten time pro bowler, and nobody challenges it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Five is a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Five is a lot, but it's not but it's not ten.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But it's not it's not ten, uh Hugh.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Before we talk about Cosla, let's let's rewind a little
bit and talk about the Allens and evaluate for me
now that it's over the Jody Allen run. And can
you separate what Jody Allen accomplished versus what Paul accomplished
or was it just in your mind just a one
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twenty five year reign.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I think a lot of credit has been given
to Paul Allen. We could, we could discuss him, might
be happy to do it. I think a lot of
Seahawk fans would be happy to marinate in all of
that because it was wonderful particularly when you consider for
those who can remember the Ken Barring years and you know,
the moving trucks to la and what have you. So
(02:23):
NFL football was, you know, dangling by a thin thread
prior to the emergence of Paul Allen. And and he
just did everything right. I mean, he spent money, and
he held his tongue, which is exactly what you'd want
billionaires to do. And so so I think enough has
been said to that for me, you know, in looking
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at Jody Allen Alyssa, I'll be interested in your take
on this. You know, Paul Allen passed in October of
twenty eighteen, shortly thereafter. Had you asked me about Jody Allen,
I would have said, well, the number one bullet on
her resume is she's in the Lucky Sperm Club. She's
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a sister of Paul Allen and and and I wouldn't
have thought.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Much beyond that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But I think now that I have seen what she's done, uh,
I have a different take. I would say, first of all,
let's this is gonna be obviously self evident, but maybe
it's a little bit more profound than it initially sounds.
Every single employee, coach player on that Super Bowl winning
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team was either hired or retained by Jodie Allen, or
hired or retained by somebody that she hired or retained.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I know that sounds like a tautology, that the truth
is packed inside the definition UH. And obviously ownership is
the root of an ORG chart. But I think that
that just the fact, you know, you know, the the uh,
the orchestration of of her duties UH through all of that,
and in a way, I think she, in a way
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she deserves arguably greater admiration than even Paul Allen because
she performed her caretaker duties without the consolation of ownership.
She knew this date was coming, and I think there's
three key times, three key points in her ownership. February
of twenty twenty two, Russell Wilson comes to her and says,
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fire Pete Carroll, let's get Sean Payton in here, and
and by the way, fire Schneider while you're at it.
That must have been hard for her when Russell Wilson,
the star that he was, you know, for her to say, no, actually,
it's going to.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Be you that I kicked to the current.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And so the loyalty was to Carol, and then a
year later, in January twenty twenty three, she actually does
the opposite. She now she boots Pete Carroll out for
entirely different reasons. And then and then you could add
a third component to her, you know, critical aspect of
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her leadership. She hires Mike McDonald. I mean, it would
have been easy to say, hey, let's just get a retread.
It's a safer pick. Mike McDonald's thirty six years old.
But you know she was willing to be either persuaded
or by her own intuition to be bold. And so
I think those are three incredibly decisive pieces of decision
(05:26):
making and leadership. And I would just say this, every
single hand of the Seattle sex that touch that Lombardi
can be traced back to Jody Allen. So I just
I tip my hat.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Hell of a job.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I'd certainly changed my opinion about her over the course
of the years in the manner I describe.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm with you, Hugh, in terms of not just
settling for mediocrity. She truly elevated the franchise to another
Super Bowl. I mean, to continue to keep John Schneider,
He's the common denominator as well, right from the carryover
from all Paul Allen to Jody. The decisions, the hard
decisions to really take the hit. I think a lot
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of people did realize. I mean, yes, John Schneider was
heavily involved in the Pete Carroll firing, but partly taking
the hit for letting go of a beloved Seahawks character
and face of Seattle who brought them to the first
two Super Bowls and got one within I think making
those hard decisions and also knowing what her brother wanted,
it was impressive the way that she stayed behind the
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scenes but also took some of the heat while also
continuing to retain some of the most important characters. What
I want to know from your perspective, why is it
important for this announcement for Neru, the wife of the node,
to be named the controlling owner in this whole situation.
And she's got what three two Stanford degrees molecular biology,
(06:50):
like her background is interesting, So why do you think
it was important to name her the controlling owner?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's obviously a family matter. I'd be speaking from ignorance
on on you know why, uh, you know how that's
divvied up what role she wants to play, and and
you know that really uh you know the soun obviously
now he's he's hasn't just sat sat around. I use
the term lucky sperm club, and I would have been
(07:15):
inclined to inclined to use that about the Sun. But
but you know, he he to his credit. Uh you know,
he he formed a business on his own and and
uh and has thrived. So I think that the the
entire family is remarkably high achievers. But you know that's
in in areas other than professional sports ownership. I mean, uh,
(07:37):
you know, there's there's a there's a great deal of
concern for me. Jackson. I don't know if you're there.
If if you can be the secretary here for a second,
please can you write down this formula Jackson formula?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I was never gonna math this.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He times equals see all right, times m equals c
probability times magnitude equals concern. So what I'm about to say,
I don't want to to be misconstrued that I that
I haven't considered the probability. Okay, a probability can be low,
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but a magnitude can be high, and that elevates your concern. Obviously,
we all have home insurance. None of us really think
our home is going to catch on fire. Now you know,
obviously your lender requires it if you've got a mortgage.
But even if you don't have a mortgage, you probably
have home insurance. Okay, because because low probability times high
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magnitude is a concern, and everything about the ownership to
me has high magnitude. I don't know what these guys
are going to I don't know the nature of how that,
How could anybody know? Now they were at the forty
nine ers. We know that Eddie de Barbelow was famously
one of the best owner and his daughter Denise married
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John York, So John York and Jed there's there's at
least there's a DNA in the forty nine ers that
this ownership group was briefly exposed to. So maybe that's
a good thing. But that would just be uh possibly
even wishful thinking. There's no proof to that. So I
I I look and say all the things, what are
the things I would be concerned about? They might have
(09:24):
low probability. Well, let's let's start with moving the franchise.
I doubt that will happen. I think it's a low probability,
but the magnitude is is that's that's a nuclear option
to me in the sports world, you know, And then
how are they gonna interact with the principles? I mean,
we got John sni who got Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald's
(09:45):
a happy coach here. I don't in five years from now,
could I see something the way they meddle that Mike
McDonald all of a sudden, you know, doesn't really want
to uh be involved with the leaders. I'll tell you
one thing. If you don't think that happened with Kaitlin
boor uh, then you you're you're just ignorant of the facts,
(10:08):
because that's that exactly, you know, the Troy Dan did
not hire him, right, and so he he liked his
boss at one point by the time he left Washington,
he didn't like his boss, right, And so could could
something like that happen again? Probably not, probably not, But
the magnitude of some of these same you know, same
(10:28):
thing could uh maybe maybe Snyder doesn't want to work
with them. So so I would assume what is the
most probable would be that these guys are gonna come in. Understand,
you know, stay out, stay out. Everything's gonna be fine.
But we've got enough examples. We can be here all day.
Uh uh. You know, even even the moving of the team.
(10:49):
I mean, is there some probability greater than zero that
here here, these guys are from the Bay Area that
let's suppose this is very unlikely to happen. But if
the you know, Oakland, they say, well, hey, we lost
all these teams, we want a new team. Let's say
that five ten years from now, and these guys are
from the Bay Area, and now of a sudden Oakland
wants to bend over. They've got a new site or something,
(11:11):
or new financier or whatever thing's changed there. And now
all of a sudden, we're getting leveraged because they want
to move to Oakland. You think that can't happen. Al
Davis went from.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oakland to LA to Oakland and and.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Every time the owners tried to say, no, we're not
gonna let you move, you know, he sued them and
won and got trouble damages. Look at the charges going
into LA to you know, two teams in the same market,
like they know damn well from an anti trust perspective.
You can't stop an owner once he gets a team
from moving a team. Is it likely to happen? Probability low.
(11:43):
But I'll tell you one thing. You multiply the small
by the enormous, and you don't get nothing, right, you
get something a lot more than nothing. And so yeah,
this to me is just, you know, just kind of
a time I bite some fingernail and everything will probably
be okay. But until we go a few years and
(12:03):
we confirm that everything's okay, I think there's reason for concern.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, so you would vote like the poll that I
that I put out a few hours ago and I
mentioned on the air last last hour, what are your
emotions of the Seahawks sale. I don't think excited would
fit the Hughes. I don't think depressed would fit Hugh.
But the other two which were the two highest response,
nervous or curious?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are you more nervous or are you more curious as
to what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Because Alyssa and I voted for curious and Jackson is
firmly on the nervous side.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I'm I'm lining square with Jackson. Okay, I think
that nervous I think it should dwarf curious if you
really my feeling. I'm trying to understand how curious would
override nervous for somebody who's truly a Seahawk fan.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
That's yeah, that's the word.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
If you if you are, if you're really like like
you're is in it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I was just saying, I would faciously optimistic would be
more curious side than it would on the nervous side.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And that's what I am. I'm cautiously optimistic, and that's fair.
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think, you know, if we had the time to
develop this over a pitch of beer, you know, just
talking asks, you know, seatleites and and friends and what
have you, I would probably try and persuade you. I'd
probably say, Dick, I know, I know you are a
passionate Seahawks fan, so that that that box is already checked.
But I would challenge.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You, are you really can? Have you really thought about
this formula?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Pee times amic we'll see, like I would challenge you
that that maybe on first place, you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Haven't given that enough thought.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
That's what I would say to anybody who says, oh,
I'm just merely curious. Guess what I'll be honest, I'll
raise my hand. I'd be curious about the Sounders with
a new owner because that my heart isn't into it
like the Sea Hawks, but because it's the Seahawks and
I have much more passion and that them that am
in that equation. The magnitude of any of these events, uh,
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elevating exponentially the concern uh to me, I would say, yeah,
nervous until probably and again, I want to say it
for like the fourth time. I acknowledge the probabilities low.
They're probably gonna be wonderful. They're probably gonna come in
and they're gonna uh and and five years from now
they're gonna be writing these stories in the Athletic about
how how what a great transition it was, and Paul,
(14:26):
you know, and there's these photos with Mike McDonald's arming
arm with these guys. It's probably gonna be fine, but
it might not be.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And we know damn well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
If you look at the history of owners throughout all
the sports, there are scores of examples where one would think, oh,
everything's gonna be hunky dory, guess what, and it wasn't. Yeah,
so uh, anyway, I think, Okay, nervous in my opinion, nervous.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Now I want to start talking about that.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That and that does make a lot of sense, and
from honest perspective, like because I've talked about the Seahawks
on TV for a while and I didn't play for
the Seahawks. I wasn't in the organization. I didn't play
football full disclosure, as might shock some people. I'm curious
because I'm not as as steadfast as a fan because
I've pulled out my fandom a little bit, And that
is why I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
So you nailed it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that is I'm curious because I'm like, oh,
we'll see how it goes. Like I'm not gonna be
heartbroken either way, to be honest, like I've kind of
pulled out of the fandom a little bit by being
in the media.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Whether you want to say it's a one percent, a
point one, a five percent, Yeah, moving the team would
would be that.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Heart That would be heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah for some reason that that absolutely like that because
that's just the Sonics. That is where my heart has
been forever. So that would be trauma unloading itself again.
But Hugh, I am curious what would be a move
if this ownership group in the next two three years
were to make that would put a big red flag
out there for you. That would be like, oh oh,
(15:54):
like here we go, Like is there something with this
ownership group that even in the next year, if something
happens that is like that would be take you from
nervous to depressed.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well okay, well, first of all, the first things, if
we start hearing a little trickling of information that that
they're trying to you know, to cut corners and the
you know, the players are used to a certain standard
on this and you know, if they're if they can't somebody,
if they don't have the cash, uh, you know, to
(16:24):
sign somebody, and I don't think that's gonna happen. But
if we start hearing their kind of chintzing here and there,
I mean, because because this is now their their number
one asset if you look at their their bouns you know, yeah,
you know, and so so we've seen particularly and by
the way, on the level of concern, if you were
then to say the ones that that have as their
(16:45):
primary source of income, uh, the NFL, you know, whether
it's art model, you know, moving the team to Baltimore
like that, there there there's a higher level of concern
with owners that have less money. And you know, so
I would say, if we're hearing anything about you know,
(17:07):
cheapness parsimonious, I wouldn't like that. I would say that
that's gonna that's gonna hurt the the energy, the foundation internally.
And then you know, if we hear rumors that that
any of the three of them emphasize three because we
got the kid involved two, that that maybe he's interested
in you know, I've read that they're really into data
(17:29):
and uh analytics and what have you. What an irony, right,
because on a relative scale, I'm into data and analytics
as well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But but if they.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Were to be you know, somehow forcing data and analytics
to take a greater share of the decision making and
and maybe meddling with Schneider in any way, you know,
just just upsetting the Apple card. Isn't that a term?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, like the apples cart's going fine right now.
All the apples are stacked, you know, they're fine. They're
not rolling anywhere. Like, don't push the damn apple cart
over a curb, just roll it on the nice smooth paveway.
It's right in front of you. It's right in front
of it there, Just stay away from the curb. And
so that would be you know, I'd start there. Uh
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you know, but I think it's important, as I said,
what do we say, Paul, Paul Allen did spend the money,
held his tongue do that? And and then and then
have John Schneider and Mike McDonald just speak as glowingly
about you as they do about working for first Paul,
and of course Mike McDonald didn't. But but but the
(18:33):
way Mike McDonald talks about his interaction with Jody Allen.
And and again, man, those three decisions she made good
on you girl? What I mean that that had to
be tough, and she went three for three. She she's
batting a thousand on the really tough positions where the
alternative decision would have been either easy or even you know,
(18:56):
more intuitive. So uh so, yeah, I can't. I can't
tell you how much i'm I'm I'm impressing how I
changed my opinion on Jody Allen. And so so now, yeah,
I'm nervous to hell. Well, I'm a Seahawk fan and
I have been. I went to the very first game. Sorry,
I don't know if that's relevant, went very first game
of the Seahawks in the Kingdom against the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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and Jim Hart, you know, been a Seyawk fan ever
from that time for it, even when I played against him,
there was a weird part of me that was a
Sea Oawk fan. So yeah, no, I don't want any
any apples falling off the cart, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We'll talk more about it tomorrow early start tomorrow after
soccer on about two thirty tomorrow, so we'll be rocking
and ready.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
All right, great to have you on the team here today,
A Lissa looking forward to your stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Appreciate it, Okay, now you breed love Mellon. He'll co
host tomorrow and Wednesday as well as Friday this week.
And we can't don't possibly have a franchise in the
city that over uses analytics, Dowie.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'm trying to think, is there is there a team
that is I know? Yeah, oh wait.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh there is And we're going to talk about that
team next because they're one game under five hundred and
our morning show host just called for the manager to
be fired. You'll hear that next on ninety three point
three KJFM.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
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Speaker 1 (20:31):
All Right, it's a beautiful Monday.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm in a good mood, spent all morning watching the
kid on a golf course. So I've decided, you know what,
We're gonna wait an hour and a half before we
talk about this baseball team, because I'm in a good
mood and I don't want to do want to bring
my bring my spirits down, despite the fact that they, hey,
they hey, they.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Won a game yesterday. All right, cool, we'll eat too to.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Get to forty eight and forty nine at the All
Star breaks. So no Mariner baseball until Friday. But what
was interesting when I was driving back today, I had
not heard this originally on Chuck's show, but I heard
it on The Mollywop Show with Nathan Bishop, Chris Crawford
and are a man Ian Furness that our normal our
(21:15):
morning show host Chuck Powell, who is normally very rational.
He's not knee jerk. He usually is not overly emotional
about things, said this this morning.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
The manager's not getting the most out of the team.
And this is too important of a season. There's too
much at stake. It's the fiftieth anniversar. We've never made
the World Series. We may have a lockout next year.
We can't let it end by missing the playoffs in
a year in which the American League is down like
never before. So I endorse a managerial change this morning. Officially,
(21:56):
I don't think they'll do it, but that's my statement
on a Monday morning. This is the fire Dan Wilson
Show on Chuck and Buck. And again I don't take
that lightly, but I think it's time. This team needs
a new boss, a new voice, and they need a shakeup.
They need to be reminded. You just can't play like
garbage and not expect bad things to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And I'd like to see it happen before we play
another game.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
All I will say about that comment is, Dan Wilson, if.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You've lost Chuck Powell, that's bad.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, Now you can lose me or Softie or somebody
that you know, we're a little more emotional, we'll throw
things out.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't call for guy's firings.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I don't call for guys firings it neither do Softy
really call for guys firings very much. But there are
there are lots of sports talk show hosts in this
country that just willy nilly, Ah.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's not Chuck Powell.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So when you've lost Chuck Powell Dan Wilson, you have
dug yourself a very very deep Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It is to hear Chuck say it, because you're right.
He is pretty reasonable. From the few conversations I've had
with him, He's comedic, always making people laugh.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But that was and he knows baseball very well, like
that is his sport.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I it's the accountability. Accountability thing with Dan Wilson is
something that frustrates me as someone who played basketball in college.
I played overseas, so I know this switch from college
to playing professionally and the pressure that's on you as
someone who's relied on to score. In this scenario, the
Mariners obviously relied on to score runs, something they're not
(23:35):
doing a great job of, especially when it comes to
runners in scoring position. What I see the piggyback thing
has always been frustrating than protecting your players. Sure, that's great,
that's something that's more of a college thing when you're
in the pros. I think to a certain extent, like
the Randy A. Rose Arena left field answer, where he's
just kind of droning on and saying, like, well, defensive positioning,
(23:59):
why wasn't great for him?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
It's like Randy's injured. Randy didn't hustle to that ball.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Randy pulled up and looked lazy on TV, and Luis
Castillo's face showed it all. That's also someone who's not overemotional.
He gave up a home run on the very next play.
That was frustration. And in that scenario, I think if
somebody asked Dan Wilson about something that astronomically bad from
a defensive scenario, whether or not he's injured, Like if
he's injured, don't put him out there right for him
(24:25):
to say, I would rather hear him say that's something
I had a private conversation with Randy.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
That's all I want to say about that.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I would have appreciated that response more than protecting a player,
because it just looked a little bit on the weak side.
And Dan Wilson phenomenal human being, very philanthropic, awesome, But
in terms of professional sports manager there have been so
many things that have just been frustrating. That runners in
scoring position, that dates back to Scott's service, that dates
back to several managers before him, like that, they have
(24:52):
been terrible and run with runners in scoring position at
different points in the season.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I just the accountability thing.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You're a player's coach, you're a you know, in terms
of like that's the the I know he's a manager,
he's a skipper, but to a certain extent, these are professionals.
They had a combined like twenty four war between their
five all stars last year, and it's like eleven this year.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Eleven.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, that's It's just something has to change.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't know if a new managerial voice would change that, honestly,
at this point in the season, would it. I don't
know if a firing right now would change that enough
this season to get them to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah. People mentioned always the Robbie Thompson with the Phillies.
You know, he took a team that was even worse
than the Mariners and got him to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But now he's now he's fired. So that didn't last.
It didn't last very long.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So yes, it's it's hard in baseball because you don't
really know how much is the manager helping you win.
And what I've always said is, I've always thought that
there are a small handful of managers that actually help
you win. There's a very small amount of managers that
actually help you lose, and most of them are in
(25:58):
the middle. Yea, and they don't that much. I mean,
you and I are so used to basketball, where you scheme,
you drop plays like the coach is really intricately involved.
Football coaches maybe even more intricately involved. They are calling
every single offensive play and defensive formation that you have
on the floor, you know, So you know you say,
(26:18):
probably football first, basketball second, and then way down third
you have you have the manager and the piggyback thing. Yes,
I agree with you. It's been kind of frustrating. It's
been wonky. How much was actually Dan?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How much do we throw on Dan? I still think
that's probably like a seventy thirty Jerry thing than it
is Dan servant be and Jerry and thirty being Dan.
But the set the lack of sense of urgency. And
I have used that term many times this year to
describe as baseball team. Ian used it in crosstalk with
me today. I don't know if he just remembered me
(26:52):
saying it or if that's something but doesn't matter. I
mean it is there is a lack of sense of
urgency with this baseball team, and they're almost it seems
like a lack of sense of urgency with this whole
baseball organization. And what I mean by that is, you know,
we can laugh at the fifty four percent thing, but
(27:12):
let's look at the whole genesis of what the fifty
four percent thing was all about. It was about long
term contention. And yeah, I want them to be good
for a long term, but when you're looking at being
good for an eight to ten year run, you know
what you're not doing. You're not emphasizing July twelfth, twenty
(27:32):
twenty six, is game. You're emphasizing, well, can we be
good enough in October to play well in the playoffs?
And we're emphasizing can we good be good enough in
twenty twenty nine to continue to be you know this
this franchise that we want to have ninety wins every
single year so we can have all these lottery tickets
(27:53):
and so I understand the long term view, but you
have to you have.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
To show some urgency in the short term as well.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And you can't just always rely on pulling the plane
up before it hits the mountain in August and September,
like they've done a couple of years over the last
five Well guess what a couple of the other years
they didn't. Yeah, they fell just short and they felt
just short. Why because they were under five hundred in June. Yeah,
(28:22):
that's why they fell short in September. And I don't
want twenty twenty six to be the season another season
where hey, they won eighty five games, but guess what
Houston won eighty six or Texas won eighty six and
eighty five ain't getting you a wild card.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No, And Texas is looking hot, like they're getting better.
They've won three of their last four series. They've had
injuries to crucial players that are coming back. I think
if you're also a team that wants to contend frequently
for multiple years, because at this point I'm feeling like
twenty twenty three because twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You made it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
There was so much excitement at that point. It was
the most anticipated season twenty twenty three because of what
you did in twenty twenty two. Well, now this season
was highly anticipated because of what you did last year.
If you're an organization that wants to continue to contend,
do you hire a manager who has never had experience
but excites the fan base? Makes you make him an
interim last what two years ago, I can't remember what season,
(29:19):
twenty twenty four and if twenty twenty four and then
hire him full time does not have that full time experience.
That whole process, and I think the Molliwop guys mentioned
it as well, like that is also not something you
will you do unless you really really believe in all
the micromanaging things that Dan Wilson can do. And I
know he's been with the organization for a long time,
(29:41):
but that was also kind of a interesting like that
surprised a lot of people that, Oh, just the process
behind it. Who else did you talk to? Who else
did you interview? That was a surprise. And I think
that is starting to come to fruition in terms of well,
what other coaching skills do you have? In terms of
like getting these guys excited. It isn't just It isn't
(30:03):
just on the players and the stars to continue to
up themselves, like one hundred and sixty two game season.
You need a motivator, You need somebody that excites the
group here and there, and I think Scott Service had
it sometimes, but I think overall lacked the excitement. Back
to back catchers as your managers. But this is the
first year since twenty nineteen. I'm not including twenty twenty
(30:24):
that they're below five hundred at the All Star Break
first time since twenty nineteen. I mean, you didn't make
the playoffs that year, you didn't in twenty twenty was
a weird season.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Twenty twenty one, you didn't like it. Just what are
we seeing? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
They're a frustrating team. They're inconsistent. You win the series,
you lose a series, you win to you lose too.
Your stars are really unmotivated. Your best guys. Cole Young, Yeah,
that's no question about it. We'll talk to Bill Kruger
about it at the five o'clock hour.
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